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Pace
July 17th, 2012
5:58 pm
Winning this year is very important. Braves have and excellent chance – probably need one good arm (and we may already have it) – and a good bat off the bench who can cover a couple of fielding spots. But, winning next year is important also, and 2014 and so on. If we throw a ton of $ at a starting pitcher, we’re going to lose a fantastic center fielder – combined offense and defense he’s go to be worth at least a run a game on average. That’ll help any SP. There’s only so much $ to go around, even with all the salary coming off the boards this year.
jeffrey d
July 17th, 2012
5:58 pm
“Chipper! Great game!!”
“Too bad we lost the World Series in 1996″
TennesseePaul
July 17th, 2012
5:59 pm
Interesting, it looks like B-R is retro-finishing the save statistic. It wasn’t official until 1960/1970 and wasn’t even mention until the 1950’s, but Walter Johnson is credited with 34 career saves… Me thinks the B-R guys scripted the rule into their Retrosheet ETLs.
NickB
July 17th, 2012
5:59 pm
jeffrey d
some people would complain if you hung em with a new rope….
Venice Jim
July 17th, 2012
5:59 pm
Sorry to hear about Steve’s dog…
nolie
July 17th, 2012
5:59 pm
The other manager who watched his team implode is no longer managing…ace
and we are doing much better than they are regardless of their huge payroll advantage. How in the hell do you think that makes your point?
ACE
July 17th, 2012
6:00 pm
What do you remember about last year other than missing the playoffs?
ACE
July 17th, 2012
6:00 pm
You made the point for me NOLIE he lost his JOB.
Playoffs?????
July 17th, 2012
6:00 pm
Yes, Murph, if we lose 3 —-start counting!
ACE
July 17th, 2012
6:01 pm
Just like Fredi should have. Larry Parrish shouldn’t have been the only one to take the fall.
nolie
July 17th, 2012
6:01 pm
he shoulda lied about it all Jeffrey…
Murph
July 17th, 2012
6:02 pm
What do you remember about last year other than missing the playoffs?
The team acquired Bourn… Kimbrel won ROY… Freeman came in 2nd… Heyward sucked… nolie said mean things to me…
That’s about it.
ChattTownBrian
July 17th, 2012
6:02 pm
Have to look at Wren’s perspective on the organiations pitching. The system is nowhere near loaded, how much does Hudson have left, Jurrjens is a FA and been bitten many times already by the injury bug, Minor is really just a bottom rotation guy and probably always will be. Hanson is his true dependable young starter he knows he has around cheap for some years. That ain’t good. So trading a Delgado and Teheran has to be for good, controllable starter and those are tough to find.
Venice Jim
July 17th, 2012
6:02 pm
Ken Rosenthal @Ken_Rosenthal
Dempster’s preferences: 1. #Dodgers. 2. #Braves. Explanation in this story:
http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/chicago-cubs-Ryan-Dempster-trade-deadline-los-angeles-Dodgers-atlanta-braves-071712
UNCBrave
July 17th, 2012
6:02 pm
WOW…Dodgers’ Billingsley going on DL… The Dodgers will be DESPARATE for SP now..
Article where Cubs’ SP Ryan Dempster lists Dodgers #1, Braves #2 as his places for landing…
http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/chicago-cubs-Ryan-Dempster-trade-deadline-los-angeles-Dodgers-atlanta-braves-071712
nolie
July 17th, 2012
6:03 pm
wow. your idea of logic is about as illogical as anybody on this board. are you 13 or 14?
ACE
July 17th, 2012
6:04 pm
This year Fredi won’t have a lead to lose.
ChattTownBrian
July 17th, 2012
6:04 pm
I would love Lester or Shields.
nolie
July 17th, 2012
6:05 pm
what is it that you think Bobby would have said? Lied about taking the sign off? sigh
ACE
July 17th, 2012
6:05 pm
Thanks again for your support Nolie. I couldn’t expect a semi-nolie to understand.
NickB
July 17th, 2012
6:05 pm
Chatt
I think Jurrjens isn’t a FA until after next season (though I expect him to be traded this offseason)
Stinger 2
July 17th, 2012
6:07 pm
ACE seems so bitter towards Fredi. I believe he has some problems that none of us know about. Let us pity him and hope he gets help.
ACE
July 17th, 2012
6:08 pm
You have to realize that Fredi has never led a team to the playoffs and never will.
MiaBchBravesFan
July 17th, 2012
6:08 pm
Pace: actually, he’s pitching better at this stage of his career than Tom Glavine did, so I’d say cut the kid some slack. The fact that he’s doing his OJT in the heat of a pennant race is all the more impressive. I think that as much as I disliked him for his play me or trade me remark during ST, I want him in my Braves rotation for the next four seasons.
To trade him would be a big mistake. We have one’s and two’s coming up; he’s gonna be an excellent three.
ACE
July 17th, 2012
6:09 pm
Not bitter Stinger, some people on here can’t see the forest because of the trees.
1991 braves
July 17th, 2012
6:09 pm
Improved rotation my ASS!! Don’t think you are looking at the same pitching staff i’ve been watching.Not only do the braves have the second worst number of quality starts in the N.L., but their 2 veteran starters both blew big leads their last starts, and both of them have E.R.A.’s of 4.00. By the way that is the E.R.A. of the braves total staff. When Hudson blows a 5 run lead,and Hanson blows 2 run leads on 2 different occasions, the brave’s pitching staff is in serious trouble. Add to that the fact that Minor, J.J. and Sheets should all be pitching in AAA, and you have a total disaster staring you in the face the second half of the season. The braves have proven they can’t hit a quality starter, and they usually make an average pitcher look like a Cy Young winner, so don’t get your hopes up for this team, because they still can’t beat their N.L. east rivals, and that’s all they will be playing the last 2 months of the season. So another total collapse looks more likely than a run for the playoffs. Hudson, head case Hanson, and now Sheets, if you think these 3 will win a series against quality competition you are DREAMING!!
ACE
July 17th, 2012
6:10 pm
I do appreciate the pity and all the name calling that you ADULTS engage in.
NickB
July 17th, 2012
6:10 pm
Something I’ve been pondering is will Hudson want to have ANOTHER surgery this offseason, then rehab….etc at age 37? or will he retire ? I’d love to have him back, as he’s a bargain for his production (and a great clubhouse guy ) but that extra $9 mill would be nice.
of course that means either retaining JJ or having Minor and Delgado again next year, but if they added a Greinke or Shields and Sheets pitches well enough to be re-signed, they could manage it without JJ, freeing up even more money to re-sign Bourn.
something to ponder
MiaBchBravesFan
July 17th, 2012
6:10 pm
I see Dempster in Dodger blue sooner than later. Case closed.
NickB
July 17th, 2012
6:11 pm
oh look the eternal optimist 1991 is here………
bloody killjoy
nolie
July 17th, 2012
6:12 pm
Forest for the trees????
you are a riot. funniest guy on the blog
Bat Masterson
July 17th, 2012
6:12 pm
When did he throw Pastornicky under the bus? _ jeffrey
He did throw him under the bus on the flip dp attempt if you ask me. Uggla had the kids back, his manager did not.
ACE
July 17th, 2012
6:13 pm
1991 braves watch out, the truth scares people on here causing them to resort to name calling.
MiaBchBravesFan
July 17th, 2012
6:13 pm
1991 Braves: the sky is not falling. Hudson and Hanson will be just fine. JJ is doing just fine. Ben Sheets will make you happy this year. Minor will acquit himself quite well the rest of the way. Don’t despair.
Pace
July 17th, 2012
6:14 pm
MiaBch – we agree completely – I don’t see the need for another starter. If we go and overspend for a rental or try to sign an SP, we’ll lose position players we’ll need for the next several years.
ACE
July 17th, 2012
6:14 pm
Thanks Nolie, I didn’t know you had any sense……………….of humor.
nolie
July 17th, 2012
6:14 pm
you wouldn’t know a baseball “truth” if it crawled up your drawers and bit you on the arse
Woody Woodward
July 17th, 2012
6:15 pm
Fredi’s response to Pastors dumb ass choice seemed curt. And I don’t disagree with how he put it. It is a great contrast, though, with his past explanations of the revs errors. I recall a play at second earlier in the year that had Uggla rushing to his defense, fredi, too. If we’re reading the tea leaves here, and I think we all do that here on the blog, it looks like fredi might not be willing to tolerate that kind of shyt from pastor. And if that’s so, what does it say about his future in a braves uni? Goodness knows we’ve all been speculating on that question of late.
GT Alum
July 17th, 2012
6:15 pm
Good for Blanco. He was a better player for the Braves than either of the guys we traded him for.
jeffrey d
July 17th, 2012
6:15 pm
1991 braves watch out, the truth scares people on here causing them to resort to name calling.
Sorry, but when you arrogantly talk like you have the answers and relentlessly and repetitiously do nothing but complain, you’re kind of setting yourself up for that.
MiaBchBravesFan
July 17th, 2012
6:15 pm
<—– would be happy with one reliable veteran bullpen arm… who's funny and can crack up the kids in the 'pen.
NickB
July 17th, 2012
6:16 pm
It always amazes me how the team can be on a winning streak and somebody still has to run flailing across the blog yelling Chicken Little epithets
ncbravesfan90
July 17th, 2012
6:16 pm
“Hudson and Hanson will be just fine. JJ is doing just fine. Ben Sheets will make you happy this year. Minor will acquit himself quite well the rest of the way. Don’t despair.”
I applaud your optimism, but its time for some realism..
nolie
July 17th, 2012
6:16 pm
if you read my stuff anf think I have no sense of humor it is only because it all goes over your head sweety
ACE
July 17th, 2012
6:16 pm
Here’s one truth Fredi has never led a team to the playoffs.
MiaBchBravesFan
July 17th, 2012
6:17 pm
<—– wants a reliable veteran bullpen arm… who's funny and can crack up the kids in the 'pen.
nolie
July 17th, 2012
6:18 pm
why is pessimism always supposed to be realistic? anybody who is always optimistic or always pessimistic is NOT being realistic.
BRAVESSSSS
July 17th, 2012
6:18 pm
@Pace: you are right! Maybe the braves dont need to expend too much for a pitcher who’s gonna be a free agent after the season.. i guess it’s better option trade for Liriano than Greinke..
why
well: 1- Liriano is cheap and right now is pitching very well and he is under control for the next two years i heard.
2.- we can save money for re-sign Bourn and keep the leadoff hitter with us
use the chipper’s 14 mdd for pay Bourn’s contract per year and use the Lowe’s 10mdd contract for a LF
AND USE THE NEXT ROTATION THIS YEAR: HUDSON HANSON SHEETS JURRJENS AND LIRIANO
AND THE NEXT YEAR WITH BEACHY BACK IN MAY OR JUNE WE CAN TRADE JURRJENS AND ACQUIRE PROSPECTS
kenhotlanta
July 17th, 2012
6:18 pm
As bad as it pains me, I have to agree with Ace. Fredi threw Rev under the bus and was saying the missed bunt sign could have cost us the game. It was his first at bat after being called back up to help the team. Bobby would never have done that “in pullic” as Dusty Rhodes used to say.
jeffrey d
July 17th, 2012
6:18 pm
Here’s one truth – the Braves have won 7 straight.
Another one – the Braves are in position to make the playoffs and at this rate take the division soon.
NickB
July 17th, 2012
6:19 pm
name one positive contribution you have made ACE…. one
all you have done is whine and complain and scream that the sky is falling
GT Alum
July 17th, 2012
6:19 pm
Not sure if I’d be using the Red Sox example as evidence we should’ve fired Fredi. As far as I’m concerned, they got worse in the managing department as a result of that exchange.
jeffrey d
July 17th, 2012
6:20 pm
I think we look way too much into the postgame comments. It’s not like the manager carefully organizes his thoughts into a word processing document. They’re made in passing.
jeffrey d
July 17th, 2012
6:21 pm
name one positive contribution you have made ACE…. one
He brings the rest of us closer together.
NickB
July 17th, 2012
6:21 pm
BRAVESSS’
Liriano is a free agent after this season
kreedham
July 17th, 2012
6:21 pm
Don’t worry about Melky…he has proven that he can’t hit at Turner Field!
MiaBchBravesFan
July 17th, 2012
6:22 pm
If the Braves fall short in September, it will not be b/c of pitching. That potential problem will not be solved prior to July 31st.
ACE
July 17th, 2012
6:22 pm
I am positive with this manager the braves won’t make the playoffs..
nolie
July 17th, 2012
6:22 pm
I fail to see how saying that the bunt sign had been cancelled is throwing him under the bus. he was specifically asked about his call which he did not make. again was he supposed to lie about it ?
NickB
July 17th, 2012
6:23 pm
jeff
HAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!
well done sir well done ,that cracked me up!!
MiaBchBravesFan
July 17th, 2012
6:24 pm
“As bad as it pains me, I have to agree with Ace. Fredi threw Rev under the bus and was saying the missed bunt sign could have cost us the game. It was his first at bat after being called back up to help the team. Bobby would never have done that “in pullic” as Dusty Rhodes used to say.”
I agree. That is what a clubhouse kangaroo court is for. I do not think Fredi is long for this club.
jeffrey d
July 17th, 2012
6:24 pm
I am positive with this manager the braves won’t make the playoffs..
So why are you watching games? If you’re “positive” then there’s no point because it’s only going to make you miserable.
nolie
July 17th, 2012
6:25 pm
AGAIN what was Fredi supposed to answer to a direct question about a call that he did not make?
NickB
July 17th, 2012
6:25 pm
I’m no Fredi fan as I think he is a terrible pitching manager, but even the worst mgr versus the best isn’t going to make that much difference in wins over a season. No matter their decisions the players still have to perform
Bat Masterson
July 17th, 2012
6:27 pm
I recall a play at second earlier in the year that had Uggla rushing to his defense, fredi, too.
Woody_
If you mean the flip Uggla dropped Fredi definitely threw the kid under the bus there. If he been the manager of another team I would have said what a pr*ck, I’m glad he’s not managing the Braves.
kenhotlanta
July 17th, 2012
6:28 pm
jeffrey d: In his postgame comments, Fredi has spent 2 seasons tipping his cap, making excuses and soft pedaling when players eff-up. Why would he suddenly become a tough guy when we are playing well? I just think for someone in The Rev’s position of “this is probably your last chance to show you belong here”, Fredi shouldn’t have called him out.
Trader Jack
July 17th, 2012
6:28 pm
NickB
Just curious what make you think Hamels ends up with the Dodgers?
MikeInFl
July 17th, 2012
6:28 pm
Can we throw the expression “threw him under the bus” under a bus?
David O'Brien
July 17th, 2012
6:29 pm
Jason Heyward has hit .333 in his past 33 games (oh, the symmetry) with 18 extra-base hits (eight homers), 19 RBIs, a .380 OBP and .611 slugging percentage (.991 OPS).
nolie
July 17th, 2012
6:30 pm
I agree on that one Bat, that was a poor comment to make.
Regardless he is no Bobby V or Ozzie or a few others and his reputation is of being a player’s manager. not many can take it to the degree that Bobby did. He was totally selfless in that regard
jeffrey d
July 17th, 2012
6:30 pm
On Pastornicky’s two-strike bunt attempt, did you second-guess yourself at all after that?
“[The bunt sign] was taken off. He went on his own there.”
Gosh, I really don’t see this comment as that big of a deal.
NickB
July 17th, 2012
6:31 pm
Trader
He said that playing for the Dodgers would be like “coming home” (as he’s from the San Diego area, but isn’t gonna play for the lowly Padres) the Dodgers have new owner money, and have expressed interest.
MiaBchBravesFan
July 17th, 2012
6:31 pm
Nolie, I’m sure players missed signs during the Cox Era.
You just didn’t hear about it.
NickB
July 17th, 2012
6:32 pm
DOB
wow, I knew he had been good, but almost a 1.000 OPS good? I didn’t know that!!!!
He keeps this up and he will be an MVP candidate this year
Venice Jim
July 17th, 2012
6:32 pm
Buster Olney @Buster_ESPN
The Braves are going to try to sign Martin Prado to a multi-year deal, given his current standing as heir to Chipper Jones’s spot at third.
Murph
July 17th, 2012
6:32 pm
name one positive contribution you have made ACE…. one
He was awesome in Stand By Me… well, until Gordy pointed a gun at him and he almost cried like a girl.
Kat
July 17th, 2012
6:32 pm
Buster Olney @Buster_ESPN
The Braves are going to try to sign Martin Prado to a multi-year deal, given his current standing as heir to Chipper Jones’s spot at third.
NickB
July 17th, 2012
6:32 pm
a guy I know on another forum had a blog last year called “Life After Cox” (not a lesbian blog)
Kat
July 17th, 2012
6:32 pm
Ah VJ beat me to it
UNCBrave
July 17th, 2012
6:33 pm
Buster Olney@Buster_ESPN
The Braves are going to try to sign Martin Prado to a multi-year deal, given his current standing as heir to Chipper Jones’s spot at third.
Michael Bourne next please..
nolie
July 17th, 2012
6:33 pm
POC blog is acting up again
NickB
July 17th, 2012
6:33 pm
KAT
BEST NEWS EVER!!!!!!!!!!!
jeffrey d
July 17th, 2012
6:33 pm
Thanks VJ….great news
cricket
July 17th, 2012
6:33 pm
giants blog -
http://www.mccoveychronicles.com/2012/7/17/3165548/melky-jonathan-the-braves-and-the-2010-nlds#comments
jeffrey d
July 17th, 2012
6:34 pm
Ah VJ beat me to it
Nick still credited you, though
MiaBchBravesFan
July 17th, 2012
6:34 pm
That is excellent news!
Trader Jack
July 17th, 2012
6:34 pm
NickB
July 17th, 2012
6:31 pm
Trader
He said that playing for the Dodgers would be like “coming home” (as he’s from the San Diego area, but isn’t gonna play for the lowly Padres) the Dodgers have new owner money, and have expressed interest.
He had a very interesting conversation with Kershaw at the All Star game, who was lobbying him on behalf of the Dodgers. Let’s just say Kershaw was not very enthusiastic after the conversation
MiaBchBravesFan
July 17th, 2012
6:35 pm
:devil:
nolie
July 17th, 2012
6:35 pm
it was a direct question to him MBBF, I can’t imagine what it is that y’all think he should have answered.
I’m sure we still don’t hear about almost all of them
cricket
July 17th, 2012
6:35 pm
Prado – sign and trade for Upton?
seriously tho, would love if Prado is signed to extension
Kat
July 17th, 2012
6:36 pm
David very pretty DOB Blog song today by Alvin.
MiaBchBravesFan
July 17th, 2012
6:37 pm
Well, nolie, I’d rather have Fredi be more Cox than Ozzie.
Kat
July 17th, 2012
6:37 pm
jeffery I’ll take it lol.. even if it’s undeserved haha.
Woody Woodward
July 17th, 2012
6:40 pm
It’s not what fredi said, it’s what he didn’t say. He might have said, “yeah, the kid did that on his own, but he’s a young guy trying to help his team win. Young guys make mistakes sometimes.” now I’m not arguing he SHOULD have said that, but he chose not to. It was a bad mistake in a crucial situation.
I just wonder how many more mistakes like that the rev can afford to make. Fredi’s refusal to throw him a lifeline may indicate that pastor is falling rapidly out of favor. Maybe I’m making more out of this than I should. Lord knows I’m no big fan of either guy.
BravesFanSince80's
July 17th, 2012
6:41 pm
it amazes me how many self-proclaimed geniuses on this blog who obviously think they have all the answers where baseball or, pretty much anything else is concerned, will immediately call another person out for the exact same thing if said person’s viewpoint is in the opposition to their own…hypocrisy much? geez..(cough, Nolie, cough)…
nolie
July 17th, 2012
6:41 pm
ah well enuff about that. think the streak continues tonight?
NickB
July 17th, 2012
6:42 pm
Kat’s name popped up first with the link when I refreshed my screen!
GT Alum
July 17th, 2012
6:42 pm
Venice Jim -
Figured that would be coming. Don’t know how long he has to be eligible for free agency, but he’s definitely worth a reasonable contract, and I’m sure they’ll get something worked out.
nolie
July 17th, 2012
6:43 pm
he is way more Cox than Ozzie….not even close.
and I can remember Bobby finally allowing his irritation show a few times, Yunel being one
Woody Woodward
July 17th, 2012
6:43 pm
Jair pitches a gem, nolie.