2:30 pm July 17, 2012, by David O'Brien
July 17th, 201211:38 pm
Good grief – “intemperate”…
what would DOB asking Fredi a-hole questions do to improve team performance?
July 17th, 201211:40 pm
NickB – it would show that he means business, and the obvious repercussions within the baseball community would immediately propel the Braves toward having one of the best records in baseball. Oh, wait…
July 17th, 201211:42 pm
c’mon guys take it easy on Bitchell, he has a problem
Others were on here today saying JJ never hit 95. I saw him do it in person.
JJ’s body language today was terrible. He had that look of “why do all de bad break come my way.”
July 17th, 201211:44 pm
As I quickly scrolled through the postgame comments on the blog, I was impressed to see that there were no knee-jerk reactions to the 9-0 loss.
July 17th, 201211:45 pm
he didn’t do it often, 92-93 much more common. what they were responding to I think was an article that said he often hit 97-98 which was BS
July 17th, 201211:48 pm
Trade for GREINKE…
Move MEDLEN to rotation…
Jurrjens and Martinez
July 17th, 201211:49 pm
i was responding under the assumption they meant that he AVERAGED 95… which i what i think of when someone references mph
July 17th, 201211:50 pm
not the Medlen stuff again!!!
he is no better than Minor or Delgado there folks,
One Big Dummy
July 17th, 201211:52 pm
Forget about the Nationals “going away,” I’d be surprised if they DON’T win the N.L.
July 17th, 201211:55 pm
Updated game story with quotes
July 17th, 201211:56 pm
got no trouble with a 9-0 blowout to end a long win streak. we’ll do better tomorrow
July 17th, 201211:59 pm
got no trouble with a 9-0 blowout to end a long win streak. we’ll do better tomorrow — nolie
Rather end the streak with a 9-0 loss, than a 1-run loss. Anytime!
July 18th, 201212:07 am
A 1-0 loss is divisive whereas a 9-0 loss is decisive /either way you ‘tip your cap,’ share ghost stories–you move on!
July 18th, 201212:09 am
with the glowing DOB lead in you knew we were gonna tank it, that is his forte — nolie
Is baseball available on TV where some of you folks live?
July 18th, 201212:12 am
“Rather end the streak with a 9-0 loss, than a 1-run loss. Anytime!”
What a load of crap. A 9-0 loss shows lack of focus and you have to fail in every aspect of the game to lose 9-0.
Losing 1-0 likely means a break or two didn’t go your way and you fought hard and played a good game for 9 innings.
Give me a 1-0 loss any day of the week over a 9-0 loss. No matter how many games were won in a row before it.
July 18th, 201212:14 am
DOB are you saying that Chipper will go in with a higher percentage than Seaver? — ACE
No, I didn’t say anything remotely similar to that. I’d have to look up what percentage Seaver went in with, but it’s not really relevant to my point anyway, so I won’t.
What I said was, I haven’t spoken with one writer, since the whole Chipper retirement announcement in spring and during season and at All-Star game, who said that he’d even have to think about it before voting for Chipper. Every writer I’ve talked to about the subject, probably 20-30 in all, has basically said, of course he’s a first-ballot Hall of Famer.
July 18th, 201212:16 am
whatever, Whatever. go watch some football….
This is why you have to just tip your cap to DOB.
When you just can’t stop seeing the Bravos through rose colored glasses, you deserve just a big ole, Bobby Cox positive even during choke jobs in the playoffs tip of the cap!
Atta boy, Davey! — DOB Needs To…
Thanks. I read this twice and still have no idea what it means. But I think you were complimenting me. I appreciate it.
It’s always great to hear a rebuttal from the well-know poster, Whatever!.
July 18th, 201212:17 am
nope caint afford us no TV
July 18th, 201212:18 am
If not call Ombudsman….watts line: 1-800-TIP-CAPS
July 18th, 201212:21 am
Since when does being well known make somebody right or wrong?
Besides? Who the hell is Bobby H? I’ve been on and off on here for years and I have no idea who the hell you are?
July 18th, 201212:22 am
“go watch some football…”
Is there some on? 9-0 in football is a close game. 9-0 in baseball is an ass-kickin’.
July 18th, 201212:23 am
Nurse Ratchet charges xtra fer TV watchin’
July 18th, 201212:24 am
Did your reunion of the former guests of “The Jerry Springer Show” just let out and land on here?
July 18th, 201212:25 am
a loss is a loss who gives a rats arse what the score is. let en get all that hitting out of their bats, they don’t have much in them anyway
July 18th, 201212:26 am
We want Melkey! We want Melkey!
July 18th, 201212:27 am
That’s all you got Bobby H? Jerry Springer references?
What’s next? A Green Acres jab?
You made a comment. I replied. You didn’t like the reply. You mocked me because I’m “unknown”. I retorted with saying I don’t know you either. You make a Jerry Springer reference.
Yup. Some bright ones on the blog tonight.
July 18th, 201212:28 am
With the stroke of Luck; Bobby H will become—-whatever.
July 18th, 201212:30 am
Whatever! = ACEhole and a myriad of monikers.
July 18th, 201212:31 am
Green acres is the place to be
Farm living is the life for me
July 18th, 201212:34 am
@BobbyH……”Whatever!=ACEhole and a myriad of monikers.
Pres. Bill Clinton once wished for a myriad of monicas
July 18th, 201212:36 am
July 18th, 201212:38 am
With the stroke of Luck; Bobby H will become—-whatever. — Capt.Mudd
Sorry, Capt., I need some elucidation – I’m not understanding it.
Pres. Bill Clinton once wished for a myriad of monicas
Rumor has it that he succeeded!
July 18th, 201212:39 am
Didn’t Ms. Webb fancy ‘Swisher Sweets?”
July 18th, 201212:42 am
@Bobby…Just a play with words to suggest you and Mr. Whatever begin dialog on ‘equal footing.’
July 18th, 201212:43 am
Oh, OK, Capt. – Thank you
July 18th, 201212:47 am
Well, someone just peaked out to suggest I retire…..so, I shall. Good night!
Bay Area Steve
July 18th, 201212:50 am
Been wanting to say your alteration of “Meet the Mets” was beautiful. Well done, sir.
July 18th, 201212:53 am
Thank you, BAS – Fortunately, you didn’t have to be with me as I sang it after the final out.
July 18th, 201212:59 am
I think both average and max are important. Especially to a cerebral pitcher like Jurrjens. He was one of the fewer-all-the-time guys who would reserve some velo for big spots. It was common to see him 91 his way through the lineup, until trouble. David Wright nobody on got 91. David Wright 1st and 2nd got 95. Very common. I think this was a much bigger weapon across the league years ago. Modern pitchers, for the most part, don’t do this. I’d rather have the guy who moves up and down from 90-95, than the guy who 93s it virtually every FB.
Max velocity is also very telling for a guy’s arm speed. The fact that JJ can’t get above 90 probably hurts, even more than the fastball, that horrible slurve, and what might’ve once been darn-near the best RH change in the game. Can’t spin it nearly as much, in either direction.
DOB, seaver has the all time highest percentage.
July 18th, 20121:00 am
Thanks for your support Bobby H.
July 18th, 20121:05 am
Thanks for your support Bobby H.
Don’t mention it, ACE. From what I’ve been reading on here, the support you’ve been garnering has been overwhelming. Well done!
The truth of the matter is obvious: Hudson and Hanson are No.3 or No.4 starters. Hudson is aging decently, but is expensive for a declining No. 3 starter. Hanson is what he is: a former potential No.1 starter that no longer has the fastball he started in the major leagues with and is becoming more and more similar to Barry Zito. A soft tossing pitcher whose main weapons are off speed pitches.
Sheets is still an unknown, despite his wonderful start on Sunday. I hope the Braves have caught lightning in a bottle, but Sunday was probably a little to good to be true. I hope Not!
Medlen was stretched out and never allowed to start, so there is no evidence either way whether he could give us 6 innings of 3 run ball on a regular basis. It would have been nice to know for the team, Medlen and the fans.
Finally, the pitching prospects have all been dissapointing and are either not ready or have been overpromoted.
The solution is tough; Either the Braves trade for 2 starters that would rate No. 1’s or No.2’s OR accept this isn’t the time to go for it and figure out how to Budget to pickup 2 starters for next years team.
I would hope Frank Wren would try to resign Bourn and Trade Uggla to free up money to complete a competitive starting rotation.
The offense will be fine without Uggla, but the rotation HAS to be overhauled to be competitive!
July 18th, 20121:09 am
who replaces Uggla? They WON’T be just fine without him there, 2nd base offensive production is bad league wide, I notice everyone seems to ignore the 2 months earlier this year when he hit in favor of the last month where hasn’t (and he’s been hitting the ball hard lately and before this game had an OPS of .850+ in his last 7 games).
Aside from all that, who plays 2nd? Rev?
July 18th, 20121:11 am
Hudson is still a #2 starter, so is Hanson, you can’t look at things in the short term and Hudson is still a good pitcher, ankle not withstanding.
Braves get one more starter who can throw 6 or 7 and give up less than 3 and they will be in the playoffs. I actually think they could make the playoffs by standing pat, but another arm will almost guarantee it (barring injuries of course)
July 18th, 20121:12 am
The braves will not reach the playoffs until they get rid of Fredi G. No way No how.
July 18th, 20121:19 am
Hello everyone! Braves got bombed….. Well, sh*t happens…..Let’s move on.
July 18th, 20121:20 am
yes, we know your opinion on it ACE…………
nobody thinks Fredi is a great Manager, but all of this whining about it is doing no good.
July 18th, 20121:21 am
Didn’t think J.J. would continue. Knew he would hit a wall, and let’s hope it doesn’t fall for him, and he can’t recover. Let’s hope J.J. can learn from this, and move on.
July 18th, 20121:24 am
Nick B – I agree. we need to remain calm, and that’s what I’m going to do, remain calm. Let’s hope this loss will encourage Wren to make a trade. Two trades, and that’s what Wren will have to do. A pitcher, and a bat.
July 18th, 20121:31 am
All I can say is the offense can’t do this, and get shut out 9 – 0. This must sopt real quick.
July 18th, 20121:33 am
Looking at Kimbrels stats, he is having the greatest year in closer history, I don’t think anyone has both struck our 15 batters per 9 innings AND had a ground ball rate of almost 60%
kid is insanely good
July 18th, 20121:34 am
bad thing is, he is gonna set a record for arbitration for a closer, we need to lock him up on a long extension now and try to buy out some of his free agent years
July 18th, 20121:43 am
At least trade rumors say dempster could be traded real soon. Hope it’s the Braves…..Then go after a bat.
July 18th, 20121:46 am
NickB: Sigh, The Braves would Trade Uggla for Prospects add some of their own and get Chase Headley. Prado moves to 2nd.
Per your 1;11 entry. The Braves might get into the playoffs with one more above average starter, but their WON’T win in the playoff with no one to matchup with most of the other teams that have a true No.1 and No.2 starters: Matt Cain/Vogelsong, Kershaw/Capuano,Lohse/Lynn, Santana/DIckey. G.Gonzalez/Zimmerman, McDonald/Burnett. Only the Reds and Dodgers don’t have two very good top starters.
July 18th, 20121:57 am
Braves are tendering an extension to Prado to play 3rd (where he is good at defense) and are not going to make 47 deals to move him to 2nd (where he is bad at defense)
GM’s do not create needs at positions by trading star players away on competing teams…
it’s a silly move. you make the fewest deals you need to.
Boom, Prado to 3rd, Boom offer to Bourn, he turns it down, trade for CF, make free agent offer for LF , position problems solved.
your method is , move Uggla, Prado to 2nd, well now you’ve traded Uggla so you HAVE to make the deal for Headley (and they know it) to secure 3rd base, so you end up losing an extra prospect (or a better one) there, and you STILL have to deal with left and center……….. it’s a silly idea man
July 18th, 20121:58 am
Braves hit star pitching very well, and you act like Hudson vs Cain is just a blowout or something…. it isn’t
July 18th, 20122:00 am
Huddy, is pitching with sore ankle, and Braves really don’t have some one they can trust right now. Ben Sheets is about it, but he pitched one start. A trade will have to happen.
July 18th, 20122:05 am
Man I miss Beachy……..
July 18th, 20122:10 am
NickB, First of all, Prado is much better defensively than Uggla, and it is Prado’s prefered position.
We sign Bourn ! He is a much more valuable player than Uggla.OBP, BA, Steals, Defense. and at about the same cost, somewhere betwee $13 and $15. Headley is also more valuable than Uggla and at a much lower salary due to his defense and batting stats away from Petco Park.
WE need Uggla’s money to sign free agent starting pitchers in the off season.
You Do trade away players that are less valuable to your team to improve your team.
Your formula would leave the Braves lacking the rotation to compete And That’s A SILLY IDEA!
July 18th, 20122:24 am
I say we keep Uggla. He can carry a team. He can hit HR, which Braves need right now.
July 18th, 20122:30 am
Stop this nonsens on trading Uggla. The hate needs to stop too.
July 18th, 20122:32 am
It boggles me all the hate for Uggla. The guy plays hard everyday, and people still hate him. Uggla will get it going again.
July 18th, 20123:12 am
All, have a good one! Patience………I’m trying to endure……Peace my friends”Go!!!!!Braves!!!!!”
July 18th, 20123:53 am
guess we will know by friday if we got Dempster, word is a decision will be made soon
July 18th, 20125:50 am
Cubs right-hander Ryan Dempster is receptive to being traded and would prefer to go to a contender, with first the Dodgers and then the Braves topping his list of desired landing spots, writes Ken Rosenthal of FOXSports.com. There are are only a few teams to which he wouldn’t accept a trade, adds Rosenthal.
July 18th, 20126:38 am
DOWN ON THE FARM
LOOKOUTS drub the Bandits 10-3.
Lead-off CF TODD CUNNINGHAM [.320 BA] 2-4, 2 R, 1 BB.
TODD’s ready for GWINNETT I think.
LF TIM SMITH [.311 BA] 1-3, 1 R, 1 2B , 1 RBI , 1 SF.
RF KEENAN WILEY [.253 BA] 1-4, 1 RBI .
2B PHIL GOSSELIN [.251 BA] 1-4, 1 2B , HAT TRICK!
C CHRISTIAN BETHANCOURT [.240 BA], 3B JOE LEONARD [.272 BA], and 1B JOE TERDOSLAVICH [.278 BA] have a single apiece.
Starter LH SEAN GILMARTIN [L 5-8, 3.59 ERA] 3.2 IP, 6 H, 4 R, 3 ER, 1 BB, 3 SO.
LHRP CHASEN SHREVE [0.00 ERA] 2.1 IP, no-hits, 2 BB, 2 SO.
Very effective middle relief.
Three subsequent reliefer’s……not so much.
A position player has to get the last two outs because the bull-pen is dry.
LHRP CHRIS MARRERO [0.00 ERA] 0.2 IP, pristine.
July 18th, 20126:54 am
Uggla = Joe Johnson
Just a thought…
BAS – Nice info at 12:59.
July 18th, 20126:56 am
Back on the roller coaster ride of wild inconsistency?
Nah, probably just baseball…
July 18th, 20126:59 am
GNATS win again 7-6 .
Lead-off CF MYC JONES [.261 BA] 3-5, 2 R, 1 2B .
SS NICK AHMED [.271 BA] 3-4, 2 2B , 2 RBI , 1 SAC 1 SO, 1 CS , 1 E [18, throwing].
1B CHRIS GARCIA [.300 BA] 1-3
C SHAWN McGILL [.278 BA] 1-3, 1 R, 1 2B , 1 RBI , 2 SO., 1 E [2. throwing].
RF DAVE ROHM [.242 BA] 1-3, 1 R, 1 SAC.
LF/1B MATT WEAVER [.236 BA] 1-4, 1 R, 1 HR , 3 RBI , 2 SO.
LHSP DiMASTHER DELGADO [3.72 ERA] 5.1 IP, 6 H, 3 R/ER, 1 BB, 5 SO.
RHRP MIKE LEE [4.91 ERA] 1.2 IP, 2 H, 1 HR, 2 R/ER, 0 BB, 3 SO.
RHRP RYNE HARPER [BS 1, 1.42 ERA] 1.2 IP, 5 H, 1 R/ER, 1 BB, 2 SO.
RHRP IAN MARSHALL [L 0-2, 11.00 ERA] 1.0 IP, 2 H, 1 R/ER, 0 BB, 1 SO.
July 18th, 20127:23 am
Jairs was jarred last night… looked more like spring training Jairs. Guess we give the guy the benefit of the doubt.
July 18th, 20127:24 am
It will be curious to see if the Braves go on a losing jag now. Seems to have been that way all season.
July 18th, 20127:46 am
SS Nick Ahed And Delgado For Juston Upton And JJ And Minor For Grenike. Make Prado A Utility Guy till Chipper is gone then Put him At Third. Makes since
July 18th, 20128:10 am
Boy…. Great game from JJ last night!! Really looking forward to having him the rotation for the rest of the year!!
Not sure it makes since or sense. Too little for what you’d get in retyurn. Sounds like a deal to get rid of players you don’t want cause they aren’t performing to expectations and getting those you like better.
July 18th, 20128:14 am
Maker a deal with the Twins for Liriano and Span.
You get a pitcher who’s pitching great right now that you can either let walk at the end of the year or sign to a decent deal and a .275, .350, .385 outfielder with speed and good defense who can play center next year if Bourn leaves, lef if he doesn’t (and we’d have the best defensive outfield in the league) and who is signed for several years and who could shore up the bench for the stretch run this year.
July 18th, 20128:15 am
JJ And Minor For Grenike…
Our 2 worse pitchers for the best availible pitcher on the market!! I bet the Brewers would be all over that!!
July 18th, 20128:16 am
Span won’t hit you lots of HR’s, but already has 27 XBH so far this year – 22 doubles. With him batting 7th and Simmons hitting 8th you’d have a good bottom end to the lineup.
July 18th, 20128:21 am
D-Rookies are four-hit and lose 4-2 to the ROYALS
1B ARIS ALCANTARA [.333 BA] 1-4.
3B TRENT MOSES [.262 BA] 1-3, 1 R, 1 HR , 2 RBI , 1 E [2, throwing].
LF ED SANCHEZ [.301 BA] 2-4, 1 SO.
RHSP FRANK LaFRENIERE [L 3-1, 3.34 ERA] 4.0 IP, 7 H, 1 HR, 4 R/ER, 2 BB, 1 SO.
Book’s getting out on our 2011 47th rounder
RHRP ED CASTILLO [10.50 ERA] 2.0 IP, 1 H, zeros, 1 BB, 3 SO.
RHRP ZACH JADOFSKY [0.73 ERA] 2.0 IP, 1 H, zeros, 0 BB, 2 SO.
Unlike Uggla, Joe Johnson showed up to regular season games… Just not for the playoffs!!
Plus Uggla’s contract isn’t half what Joe’s is!!
July 18th, 20128:25 am
Quit obsessing about last night’s game and JAIR’s prospects for the future. He’ll make it or he won’t. Whatever. Let’s go out today and win.
July 18th, 20128:27 am
Braves need Uggla’s homers badly. Other than that I don’t see that he adds anything to the team really. I mean, I’m taking Prado at 2nd over Uggla everyday and twice on Sunday. Both offensively and defensively. The fact we need Prado at 3rd now and left makes playing 2nd a moot point. Uggla should rebound in the 2nd half and get his 30+ homers while playing a serviceable 2nd. The key to this team going forward is signing Bourn and getting a good bat for LF thus allowing Prado to play full time at 3rd next year.
Brave New World
July 18th, 20128:28 am
We need to get rid of everybody and sign whoever had a good game the day before.
July 18th, 20128:29 am
Bama Brave, that made no sense at all. What stupid trade ideas
July 18th, 20128:32 am
Since being moved up in the lineup on June 26th, Jason Heyward has hit .250/.316/.397 in 17 games and 76 plate appearances.
Brian from SC
July 18th, 20128:33 am
The stuff just isn’t there:
Jurrjens has gotten swinging strikes on just 4.8% of the pitches he’s thrown. For those with at least 40 IP in the National League, that is third worst. Of the two worse than JJ, Chris Volstad is 0-7 with a ERA around 8, and Kevin Correia is working magic to keep his ERA respectable, mainly by getting lots of ground balls. His swinging strike rate is 65% of what it was last year and 54% of what it was two years ago.
Among NL pitchers with at least 8 starts, only Kevin Correia has a lower strikeout rate than Jurrjens (3.80 K/9). Jair’s SO/BB ratio is worst in the NL.
He also has the highest WHIP, the highest OBP allowed, the second-highest batting average allowed, and the fifth-highest OPS allowed in the NL among pitchers with 8 or more starts.
He has been a little better after his AAA stint than before, but only slightly so, and mainly because he stopped giving up homers. But he’s still not getting strikeouts, and he’s still not fooling any hitters. They are having absolutely no difficulty seeing and hitting his pitches.
I think he’s just not physically the same any more. If he’s not hurt right now, something has changed mechanically or physically since he got hurt that has made him ineffective. This is not just command issues that can be fixed with some coaching and a good bullpen session. He has no life on his pitches, and hasn’t at any point this season. Something has to drastically change for him, and quickly. I don’t think it’s salvageable at this point for 2012.
July 18th, 20128:34 am
Heyward has 15 strikeouts in his last 43 at bats.
July 18th, 20128:38 am
Loved Chipper’s quote from the game last night…
“You’re going to have stinkers like this every once in a while. It’s disappointing, but you’ve got to flush it, come back out and be ready tomorrow.”
Not sure why, but I’ve always appreciated a good poop analogy.
Jurrjens has gotten swinging strikes on just 4.8% of the pitches he’s thrown.
But he pitches to contact…..
And he definitely will be tendered a contract this winter and it’d be a monumental mistake not to do so if you were Braves management……………….
July 18th, 20128:41 am
In five starts since returning from Triple-A, Jurrjens has a 8/11 BB/K ratio in 28.2 IP, 4.40 ERA, 32 hits allowed, a opp. slash line of .278/.331/.383.
July 18th, 20128:42 am
I would package JJ in any trade I could.
July 18th, 20128:43 am
If you’re the Braves, you cannot afford to tender a $7 million or more contract to someone who has statistically been one of the worst pitchers in baseball this year, on the hope that he “finds” what he used to have.
If JJ gets another start for the big club, I hope like heck he comes out with a nice 3:1 K/BB ratio and shows some stuff on his pitches that would actually be a sign that he can still pitch effectively. I think the Braves see the same thing we see, and that’s why I would be shocked if they didn’t deal for a starter in the next week or two. And there’s a good chance that acquisition would take Jurrjens’ spot in the rotation.
July 18th, 20128:46 am
Sir, yes, sir!
July 18th, 20128:47 am
That said, Jurrjens could have pitched 1-run ball, and the Braves still wouldn’t have won, so from this point on, unless prompted specifically to address it, I’m moving on from Jurrjens and from last night. Hopefully the Braves’ bats will wake back up against the righty tonight.
July 18th, 20128:49 am
Make a deal with the Twins for Liriano and Span.
Wouldn’t mind grabbing Span to replace Bourn this offseason.
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