Jurrjens making strides in return

Four starts into his return to the major leagues, Jair Jurrjens has won three games. He’s limited each of his four opponents to three runs or fewer, while going seven or more innings twice. He’s put up a 2.13 ERA compared to his 9.37 ERA over his first four starts of the season before his exile to the minors.

Jurrjens’ results are markedly better, his velocity is up a few notches, and some momentum is building for the 26-year-old who makes his fifth start back Tuesday night against the San Francisco Giants.

Catcher Brian McCann says Jurrjens’ improved velocity has allowed him to work inside more to hitters. Braves manager Fredi Gonzalez is happy to see better separation between the speed on his fastball and change-up. Third baseman Chipper Jones just wants to see more consistency with all of the above.

“JJ has to locate,” Jones said. “If he does not locate, he’s going to get hit. When he’s on the edges consistently in and out with his fastball and his change-up and backdoor-ing that slider, he can be very, very good.”

If no one is completely sure what to make of Jurrjens just yet, the same can be said about his team.

The Braves (49-39) enter the Giants series on a season-high seven-game winning streak. Their weekend sweep over the Mets moved them 10 games over .500 for the first time since May 20, when they were 26-16. The Braves then lost eight in a row.

This team still has plenty to prove and plenty to do. They were three games behind Washington in the N.L. East, pending the outcome of the Nationals game Monday night in Miami.

This week they play a pair of division leaders, first with three games against the NL West-leading Giants at Turner Field, followed by four games in Washington, including Saturday’s doubleheader.

They’ve got the July 31 trade deadline coming up and will continue to explore adding another proven arm to the rotation, while also factoring in the kind of impact Ben Sheets can have after his six shutout innings in his return to the majors Sunday.

Meanwhile, Jurrjens is just doing what he’s done since he first took the mound again June 22 in Fenway Park the night he threw 7 2/3 strong innings against the Red Sox in place of injured Brandon Beachy. He’s focusing on the hitter and not worrying about things he cannot control.

“I’m just trying to have fun,” Jurrjens said. “It’s been stressful for two years now. I got to a point where whatever is going to happen; I’m not going to be able to stop it anyway. Just go out there have fun, give my team a good game.”

Problems with his right knee cut short each of Jurrjens’ past two seasons. In 2010 he missed the end of September and the playoffs. After offseason surgery, Jurrjens came back to make his first All-Star team last July. But his 2011 season was halted again by knee troubles, and this time he missed the last six weeks of the season.

He was demoted to Triple-A Gwinnett in late April, and since then he’s worked on strengthening his knee and trying to get out of bad habits the discomfort caused with his mechanics. He also had to come to terms with his own frustrations. He said Gwinnett Braves pitching coach Marty Reed called him on it.

“He’d say ‘You’re down here for a purpose, to get better, and get back up there to help you team,’” Jurrjens said. “’If you’re getting frustrated over every small thing, you’re not going to give yourself a chance to see the improvement. It was not easy. We had a couple long talks.”

Jurrjens had another long talk with former Brave John Smoltz the night he made a book-signing stop at Coolray Field. Jurrjens said Smoltz told him he knew what it felt like to struggle with mechanics and lowering his arm angle as a result of an injury.

“(He said) ‘Keep working hard, it’s going to come back,’” Jurrjens said.

Two days later Jurrjens got the positive reinforcement he was looking for when he threw eight shutout innings against Rochester.

Jurrjens struggled in his next start against Charlotte (10 runs, six earned) but was pitching sick. Two outings later he got called back up to the majors.

Jurrjens’ workout program includes more running, and he’s doing squat exercises, even after he pitches. He said his regimen is an intense as any he’s ever done in-season. And he’s not seeing fluid buildup in his knee anymore, on airplane flights or otherwise, which translates to feeling stronger on the mound.

“I can drive myself again where I want to go,” Jurrjens said. “And the delivery is getting more consistent every time I go out there.”

Statistical Breakdown

Jurrjens first four starts in April

0-2 9.37 ERA  16 1/3 IP 30 H 5 HR  10 BB 10 8 K .411 opponents’ ave.

Jurrjens’ four starts since returning to rotation

3-0 2.13 ERA 25 1/3 IP 24 H  1 HR  5 BB 10 K   .247 opponents’ ave.

112 comments Add your comment

reckingball

July 16th, 2012
2:39 pm

reckingball

July 16th, 2012
2:40 pm

Mike

July 16th, 2012
2:44 pm

His velocity is a few notches up? Not according to PitchFX, where it looks pretty much exactly the same as pre-demotion.

http://www.fangraphs.com/pitchfxo.aspx?playerid=5556&position=P&pitch=FA

nolakid21

July 16th, 2012
2:52 pm

Ya his velocity is not up. Don’t just say something to make him look good. Do your research. His advanced peripherials are still bad. We need to trade him now that he looks decent. His location is better, but not velocity. 2 big series coming up, Go Braves!

Keith

July 16th, 2012
2:52 pm

Re: Mike

Even if you disagree with the velocity statement, you can’t argue with the results. While I will say that I’m not 100% convinced he is fully back, he is markedly improved from the Spring and April.

GO BRAVES! :)

Now to trade for one more starter and we’re set.

nolakid21

July 16th, 2012
2:59 pm

Also he isn’t striking anybody out and his WHIP is shakey. He will start coming back down to Earth and the Braves will have another problem on their hands. If he manages to slip through games without getting hit hard then good for him.

MJinATL

July 16th, 2012
2:59 pm

Velocity is somewhat overrated. Movement on the ball and pitch location key. Examples, Phil Neikro, Greg Maddux, Tom Glavine.

nolakid21

July 16th, 2012
3:02 pm

Cool dude, he is none of those pitchers. Never will be.

JC Boscan III

July 16th, 2012
3:02 pm

I remember, when I used to play baseball, I really worried about those advanced peripherals — didn’t mind a late-breaking slider on the outside corner, or getting jammed on the hands with a fastball. Just don’t throw a peripheral at me….. GO BRAVES!

Braves Fan in Maine

July 16th, 2012
3:04 pm

I think Smoltz has done more for our pitchers than our pitching coach….. lol

MyThoughts

July 16th, 2012
3:06 pm

How many people here wish Danny Ferry was the Brave’s GM ??????

Stop the slide!

July 16th, 2012
3:07 pm

Regardless..everything has improved for him, especially the winning! If the Braves trade Prado for a pitcher, that will be unforgivable! Jurrgens looks like he’s back, so stop the trading Prado nonsense Wren, if true!

Mike

July 16th, 2012
3:09 pm

re: MJinATL – his vertical and horizontal movement look about the same as well.

This is sort of JJ’s game now, if the ball stays in the park and he gets lucky stranding runners, he’s going to be ok but not great. When he gives up homeruns or untimely hits, he’s going to get crushed. I’m not convinced he’s better than Delgado or Teheran, and certainly not Medlen.

Braves Fan in Maine

July 16th, 2012
3:10 pm

Stop the slide!…… dude huh?? If wren traded prado that would be career suicide…. and I would never see prado being trade ever!

OTP

July 16th, 2012
3:12 pm

If he is winning games or keeping the team in games that they can win, I am fine with him. What more can you ask for?!

bgvt

July 16th, 2012
3:13 pm

Yep … trade him now since only Mike and the nolakid21 use advanced peripherals! Sorry nolakid, but it is hard to claim that other baseball experts will be fooled by JJ’s recent run of good luck when anyone with a computer and who can type in ‘fangraphs’ can do the same analysis that you’ve done. I expect that he wasn’t as bad as his April results and he isn’t as good as his June/July results. I hope, however, that there is some truth to the idea that gaining leg strength and consistency are the start of JJ turning it around. His control does seem to be better now than in April.

GO GO

July 16th, 2012
3:14 pm

GREAT TO SEE JJ BACK! The BEST is yet to come!

nolakid21

July 16th, 2012
3:15 pm

Who is talking about trading Prado? Braves will use prospects to get what they want. Ya Wren was shopping Prado and JJ hard last offseason and wold have if KC didn’t fall out of the talks. Prado is staying put, the rotation needs help. Hudson is not an ace and neither is Hanson. Hudson was put in that position by default. Dempster is the guy who would fit due to prior relationships with Fredi and Wren and him stating two days ago he would like to play for a team that competes.

nolakid21

July 16th, 2012
3:17 pm

If it is so easy to type in “fangraphs” and looking up stats, why didn’t this reporter do that?

Alaska Braves Fan

July 16th, 2012
3:25 pm

Ahhhh. Those stinking Braves and their stinking manager and general manager. The hitting coach stinks and the pitching coach stinks. Every time someone hits below .400, it’s an indictment of the hitting coach. Every time someone lasts only six innings – like Sheets did – it’s a mark against the pitching coach.

How on earth have we lucked out and scored 412 runs this season, third most in the NL, and only 21 fewer than the league-leading Cardinals? Our OPS is fifth in the league at .738, compared to .774 for the altitude-blessed Rockies. How, I ask you, did that happen when so many of our people stink?

And the pitching! What happened to cause us slowly to sink below an ERA of 4.00, to 3.93 today, after several early disasters like those Jurrjens had. It’s true, we have the 7th lowest opponents average and WHIP, but honestly, how did that happen with such a bunch of stinkers on the coaching staff?

More than anything, I’m bumfuzzled by the fact that we have the third best winning percentage – the third best record – in the NL. All this with such a bunch of losers for coaches and managers. Something just ain’t right! Let’s just fire all those miscreants and hire bloggers, many of whom seem to know so much better how to run and coach a team. Yeah! That’ll do it.

ABF

JoeyBagOBravos

July 16th, 2012
3:27 pm

It’s great to see JJ being JJ again. I don’t care that the SABR guys never liked him, he’s defied the odds each and every season. You can’t measure gritty determination and intuition.

nolakid21

July 16th, 2012
3:31 pm

Atlanta’s pitching staff ranks 8 of 16 in the NL and has the second lowest ammount of quality starts just in front of the worst pitching staff in baseball… the Colorado Rockies. In the overall league the Braves rank 16 out of 30 in overall pitching. Ya that is not getting it done. So the sarcastic comment is not needed thanks.

Mikey

July 16th, 2012
3:34 pm

ABF…..Well said!

Mike

July 16th, 2012
3:34 pm

re: Joey – he’s defied the odds every season? Except this season and 2010, right? So 1 out of the last 3 years…

Alaska Braves Fan

July 16th, 2012
3:35 pm

nolakid21: You’re welcome. And, your ability to see only the dark side is amazing, and depressing. Life must be a drag for you. Lighten up and enjoy!

ABF

nolakid21

July 16th, 2012
3:39 pm

It is not negative, it is realistic. You have to adress problems in the pitching staff to succeed. Not that hard to understand. I am not one of those “sky is falling” type of fans. Just want to see my team exceed expectations and actually play good baseball.

Al

July 16th, 2012
3:41 pm

DOB
Any trade news?

Bob Horner's Blonde Mullet

July 16th, 2012
3:46 pm

Nolakid – get back to your fantasy team son. Stats don’t always define a player. All you need to know about JJ is that he’s 3-0 since his return. Who gives a F about his WHIP if he’s getting the job done? I know you’ll never draft him because he doesn’t get the strikeout numbers you’d like to round out your fantasy roster, but he’s not allowing any runs in the real world. ERA and wins matter, not Ks and WHIP. Douche.

Largo

July 16th, 2012
3:49 pm

Dempster is going good but he is not worth what it will take to sign him. He will go high with so many teams wanting him.

nolakid21

July 16th, 2012
3:51 pm

Lol statistics do mean something. They show where a player is and what he is doing. Wins are one of the most empty stats to define a pitcher, not a team, a pitcher. And why personal attacks? Just shows complete ignorance.

come on wren

July 16th, 2012
3:52 pm

His velocity is a few notches up?
BS

Backdoor Slider

July 16th, 2012
3:56 pm

Mikey

July 16th, 2012
3:58 pm

I’m am just shocked that we just beat 2 of the best pitchers in the NL in Dicky & Santana and held the best hitter in the NL David Wright to 2-11. How can that be when the statistics say we lose?

nolakid21

July 16th, 2012
4:07 pm

How do statistic say we lose? Very odd statement. They show our pitching is below average and the offense is a little above average. We are a streaky team with good players that just need to focus more. Ben Sheets should help and another SP will too. I love my Braves but there is problems and that is just a fact.

JoeyBagOBravos

July 16th, 2012
4:16 pm

Mike – 2010 he had injuries, but I’ll give you that one. This season is not over.

Mikey

July 16th, 2012
4:26 pm

Because Dickey was 12-1….with a 2.66 .era with 14 quality starts and arguably the best first half pitcher in the NL. Odds are we lose. So your use of statistics to prove that our starting pitching is below average is past history of many variables that will not repeat itself going forward as indicated by our current 7 game winning streak!

alanfalcon

July 16th, 2012
4:27 pm

JJ never showed a lack of confidence (it was there however) and you could see it in his mannerisms on the mound. I hope and believe that the trip to G-Braves brought him back to reality and that this sucess will continue !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1

Clydesdale

July 16th, 2012
4:28 pm

Hey all JJ haters. You realize he has never had a losing season. This is his 6th consecutive winning record season. We have not exactly been the 1927 Yankees over this period so this is a winning pitcher on an average team. Why all the hate? Yes his velocity is down. He looks like he has adjusted and for the past month has figured out how to win again with his new reduced velocity. Could you imagine have a 95 mph heater you could break out to throw upstairs to put someone away and then lose that pitch? It is not overnight you learn an 86 mph cutter low and away can get a soft grounder to short. Go JJ. You have always been a pitcher and not a thrower. Keep up the adjustments!

nolakid21

July 16th, 2012
4:30 pm

Yes you were right that Dickey was 12-1. Also in his last 3 starts prior to the Braves game he gave up 5 runs in 2 of 3. So he has been sliding as statistics would show. Hudson and Hanson had 2 big leads in that series and blew them, which shows how bad we are in quality starts.

Scoots

July 16th, 2012
4:31 pm

Agree with ABF. Some fans have crazy expectations. Does Wren get any credit for Ben? or just credit for the hindsight moves that don’t work out?

nolakid21

July 16th, 2012
4:33 pm

Good point Clydesdale. I think the key word is “adjustment” because baseball is a game of adjustments. Teams will make the necessary adjustments on JJ and then it is on him to make more adjustments. Like I said, if he can keep sliding through games without going up in the zone and putting nothing on his pitches then good for him. But there is a lot of baseball to be played.

DeepDiver

July 16th, 2012
4:36 pm

Nola, you have no chance with this crowd. I respect what you’re saying, but save yourself some consternation and move along.

nolakid21

July 16th, 2012
4:40 pm

I know I don’t, but I don’t care. I stick up for my philosophy of baseball. No matter if I get personally attacked or if people completely disagree.

Felix

July 16th, 2012
4:40 pm

It’s J.J.’s hyper-dynamic parabolic activity that’s I’m most concerned about. Also, the size of his glove causes an imbalance in his horizontal axis.

Mikey

July 16th, 2012
4:41 pm

I guess having the “best” bullpen in the major league trumps those quality starts and puts W’s in the standings

Whiskey River

July 16th, 2012
4:41 pm

Fire FW and FG and then let;s play baseball.

Long time fan

July 16th, 2012
4:45 pm

We need a pitcher and tweak the bench. Hinske is not the guy we have seen the last two years and Diaz hasn’t been the same either. As for Juan (send him to San) Francisco, he was flyer and he is not the third baseman for this team. The 3b in 2013 is in left field.

DOB the joke

July 16th, 2012
4:45 pm

Jurrjens has 123 starts with a 3.48 career ERA but it’s all smoke and mirrors, right??? Here stat nerds, read what your new testament says about JJ’s ‘weak contact’: http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/jair-jurrjens-the-new-cain/

B

July 16th, 2012
4:46 pm

Speed describes only how fast an object is moving, whereas velocity gives both how fast and in what the direction the object is moving….so, speed has not improved, but the movement on his pitches has.

nolakid21

July 16th, 2012
4:49 pm

What? We do not have the best bullpen in baseball. 86 GP, 3.49 ERA that ranks 13th in all of majors. Don’t say stuff just to say it.

G Shores

July 16th, 2012
4:49 pm

Hope we go after Garza, he was pretty nasty during Tampa’s World Series run

No crying

July 16th, 2012
4:53 pm

JJ’s success in pitching always seemed to come from his knack for getting into and out of trouble. He never was overpowering, and total domination, he was a fighter. 3 & 0, Era 270, That is cool by me. Welcome back JJ.

Farnsworthy

July 16th, 2012
4:55 pm

Please FW. Stay away from that head case Upton.

Whiskey River

July 16th, 2012
4:57 pm

FW get off your a… and get Dempster now. Hudson, Hanson, Sheets, Dempster, and JJ. Hello playoffs.

MikeBrave

July 16th, 2012
5:06 pm

I think McCann would know if a pitchers velocity is good or bad. So, if he says it’s good, then it’s good….

MyThoughts

July 16th, 2012
5:07 pm

Boston just designated Brent Lillibridge !!!! The “kid” would be a great addition for the bench as he can play many positions and after watching highlights can get the ball in the outfield not scared of the wall .

nolakid21

July 16th, 2012
5:07 pm

Now you got them on Twitter talking about Grienke having only one good season. These blog writers are ridiculous. Career 3.8 era, 1400 innings, 1.2555 whip, 1250 K, 3.54 SO/BB And since he has been in the NL his winning percentage is higher, ERA lower, SO/Per9 are higher, 4.36 SO/BB ARE YOU KIDDING ME, with a 1.22 WHIP.

MikeBrave

July 16th, 2012
5:07 pm

Dempster would just about secure a playoff birth for the Braves…

Alaska Braves Fan

July 16th, 2012
5:19 pm

I really hope Wren and Gonzalez, and all the coaches, are trying hard to produce a winning team. Same for the players. In fact, I would be astounded if they weren’t, and I support their efforts. Like diplomacy, constructing a baseball team is an art of the possible. All these guys, management and players, work under serious limitations. Money is limited, the ability to affect the behavior of a player always is limited, the ability of a good pitcher to produce an out when pitching to a very good hitter is limited – and on, and on.

It’s OK not to think these guys are perfect, and clearly they are not, but I root hard for the Braves and am eager not to see them criticized too roundly simply because: It ain’t as easy as it looks, and it looks pretty hard.

ABF

pinkygonzales

July 16th, 2012
5:19 pm

JJ has always confounded stat/sabermetric guys because he has always had high WHIP, a low BABiP, and not a lot of strikeouts. so it appears to some that JJ just gets lucky because sabermetricians look down on pitchers who pitch to contact. JJ’s big problem in April was that he was walking people, so two hits in an inning would mean two or three runs, instead of perhaps no runs. When JJ is right, he gambles that he can get three guys to get themselves out before you can string three hits together. I’m not worried about hm giving up hits as longs he continues not to walk people.

MyThoughts

July 16th, 2012
5:22 pm

Brent Lillibridge could be our next Omar Infante !!!!

No crying

July 16th, 2012
5:23 pm

Pinky G,

Well said, My point exactly. JJ has always bee a pitcher, a competitor; he’s a player! I love scrappy guys like JJ,

lee maye

July 16th, 2012
5:25 pm

No, we don’t need Lillibridge. We had him and he still can’t hit. We need Constanza or Durango or both on the bench. And, the best lineup would be Prado at 2B. Trade Uggla and a young pitcher for Greinke, or Dempster, or Garza. And, install Constanza and Durano in LF in a platoon.

Lillibridge is a lot like Pastornicky except Pasto can hit better.

braveslover

July 16th, 2012
5:28 pm

McCann is not going to rip a pitcher under any circumstances so Mike don’t use him as a gauge. We won’t be able to trade JJ as he is a free agent at the end of the season and teams want to see how he does on the long haul before committing. We’ll have to give away the farm for any of the big 3 pitchers being discussed and it’s not worth it. Now a big let field bat is attainable if Wren can make it happen. We’ve had discussions with the Blue Jays and I still say Uggs and a pitcher for Jones is a great trade for both teams.

Whiskey River

July 16th, 2012
5:28 pm

WE DON’T WANT LLLLIBRIDGE OR INFANTE. Get dempster now!

BobbyDawg

July 16th, 2012
5:29 pm

Keeping his pitches mixed up and keeping batters off balance with his change up is where it’s at and he’s doing a decent job of that right now. I just wonder when he’ll be injured again.

rainman

July 16th, 2012
5:31 pm

I think Chipper might end up being a pretty good coach in the majors. He has stood there at third for so many years, that he could probably be a pitching coach or a hitting coach right now. He seems to communicate well with his teammates and seems that he has a vast well of knowledge to draw on. Hell, if you’re
divorced, might as well have something to do that you enjoy.

bostonbravo

July 16th, 2012
5:34 pm

I thought I had cataracts, doc told me it was only advanced peripherials . Seriously, I don’t agree that nolakid21 is being “negative”, he’s giving his opinion made on stats. Too many folk not seeing some honesty as being “anti-Bravos”.

confused

July 16th, 2012
5:39 pm

I watch Hinske run around in the outfield, not able to get to balls that should be caught, and I wonder…why is Constanza in Gwinnett? True, Hinske can play left (not well) and first, however, Jose can play left, center or right, pinch hit, pinch run and always brings energy to the team.
Be curious to see how Sheets recovers, hope it’s well. JJ and Sheets could be nice bonuses to a beleaguered staff. We still need to part with a prospect and bring in a proven (not Garza) arm, but ONLY if we are willing to sign him to a long term deal.

Whiskey River

July 16th, 2012
6:10 pm

This team is playing very well right now,but EGGHEAD and DODO BIRD will find away to mess it up. GUARANTEED

nolakid21

July 16th, 2012
6:11 pm

I just want to know who is on the twitter account for this blog saying Grienke had only one good year. That is amazingly wrong.

Nerdville

July 16th, 2012
6:19 pm

I’m not going to get excited. The Braves will just lose the next 8 or 9.

Whiskey River

July 16th, 2012
6:30 pm

@ nerdville Here we go again. If you can’t say something nice then take your comments to Nerdville

birddawgbill

July 16th, 2012
6:34 pm

Nolakid, lol, wins is a hollow stat. Your right I’d much rather have a pitcher with 9 wins but great whip and era than one with 15 wins and iffy whip and era. We all know its stats not wins that get you in the playoffs. Some pitchers are just winners because they know as long as they have the lead they can be aggressive in the zone. Other pitchers put up great stats but pitch just good enough to lose. When their team gives them a good lead they are great. But in a tough low scoring game they seem to give up one more than the opponent. Sorry to say this and not trying to be rude but the most important stat in any sport is wins.

dawg4u

July 16th, 2012
7:46 pm

Wow a personal attack or sarcastic comment on a blog – what is this world coming to? It’s like an NFL qb complaining about a blitz or late hit or getting roughed up. It comes with the territory so we unfortunately have to deal with it!

jharber

July 16th, 2012
7:54 pm

I would almost bet the pitcher Wren trades for name has not been mentioned on here yet. He just operates in the dark

Whiskey River

July 16th, 2012
7:58 pm

Thats why I call Wren a DODO bird,

jharber

July 16th, 2012
8:01 pm

Track record not real good on free agents and trades.

Elonbrave

July 16th, 2012
8:25 pm

At this stage in his career he reminds me of Horatio Ramirez. He’s always been an average stuff kind of guy that didn’t really walk people… just kind of threw strikes and let guys hit it. His WHIP has always been average at best but he has a career winning %. It’s pitching like Maddux and Glavine but not doing it NEARLY as well. I know he has a two seamer but I think learning another fastball would be really helpful. Especially a sinker ball.

Elonbrave

July 16th, 2012
8:29 pm

@ jharber
I’ve thought about that too. I’ve wondered if I’ve been ridiculous believing we really know who they’re targeting. I love that we operate that way, btw.

mpimentel

July 16th, 2012
8:50 pm

Wait a minute everybody…stop saying such a bad coments agains hinsk and francisco!!!…if they were what you are reclaiming to be, they weren’t BENCH players instead they should be our 3rd and 5th batter in a dayli lineup…c’mon guys the brings what is need it from the bench a decent (as much) defense and some power mennance in the plate…still I hope that wren try to find another bench player (better an outfielder) who can bat more than diaz…hudson and hanson are doing a good job, hopefully sheets and jj can continue theirs rides, but I’m not so positive on minor…we need another proven arm to reach playoff and play beyond that point…wren will found a wy to bring someone without give any of the youngs ones “I hope so”…

PaulG

July 16th, 2012
8:55 pm

Poor Nola kid21 ….taking a hit from the flat earth society…hang in there..It’s tough being an empiricist in this crowd

nick p.

July 16th, 2012
9:44 pm

you want to talk about disappointing, UGGLA, two seasons in a row of .220 hitting after a fat contract, how about trading him for a pitcher

Mikey

July 16th, 2012
10:22 pm

WashIngton down 5-3 in the top of the 9th, if that holds 2.5 games out with a 7 game winning streak as a tail wind.

Quack Quack

July 16th, 2012
10:30 pm

There you go, the Braves can win on Monday, thanks to the Fish, we are now 2.5 games out going into tomorrow. JJ, take a deep breath, you’re a champ!!

GO BRAVES!!!

BravesFanSince80's

July 16th, 2012
11:22 pm

I can think of several adjectives I’d used to describe JJ, and “scrappy” or “competitor” wouldn’t be on that list…

BravesFanSince80's

July 16th, 2012
11:24 pm

@Nick P., very good point on Ugly Dan

JC Boscan III

July 17th, 2012
12:23 am

I’ve noticed that the Braves’ CTAG score (cap-tipping after game) is inversely related to the circumference of the bilateral Tommy John. So, regardless of the WHIP, or the advanced peripherals, or the BABiP, if JJ keeps the other team from scoring as many as we score, and he can average at least 6 innings per start, we have a fairly good chance of winning the game……aka the FGCoWtG rating.

Of course, some prefer a low PGCT ranking (Post-Game Cap Tip) as their measure of success, and view the CTAG and even the FGCoWtG as outdated.

FireFrediot!!!

July 17th, 2012
12:44 am

Nola, you’re an idiot man, for real, strikeouts don’t matter worth a piss. As long as he’s getting people out, and pitching out of jams, he’s been good, he had 10 walks in 16 innings at the beginning of the year, & 5 in 25 since?? C’mon dude that’s friggin good. 1 BB per 5 innings? Over Delgado & Minor… ILL TAKE IT!!! If Ben Sheets can keep pitching well, you’re looking at a solid opportunity to win 4 out of 5 times out. Winning matters, not giving up runs matters. Huddy has never been a strikeout pitcher & he’s what like 5th in wins among active pitchers? And has been one of the more dominant pitchers in his era than most? Read the stats on huddy son, he’s never racked up a big number of K’s and has ALWAYS given up hits, but pitched out of his jams. Strikeout pitchers get hit harder, they throw harder, and if they happen to hang something, it will leave the park, hence Tommy Hanson’s HR total, & Mike Minor’s HR total, I imagine Sheets will give up his fair share of HR’s too. Jurrjens is a junk man, like huddy, not as good as huddy, but maybe one day he will be the Jair of the first half of last season.. all the time. He’s young, he will mature, and he will be better. Have faith in the man, he’s a good pitcher just like all the young guns are, just give them time to mature. The Braves future (if no moves are made) the staff of Hanson, Jurrjens, Minor, Delgado, & Teheran.. will reign supreme, just like the staff of the 90’s.

FireFrediot!!!

July 17th, 2012
12:56 am

Oh man what a brain fart, I forgot the most dominant pitcher in the rotation. Beachy!! Delgado Minor or Teheran will be traded. Hopefully Teheran, Delgado & Minor have showed flashes of promise. Especially Minor, lately.

Columbus

July 17th, 2012
1:07 am

Get em Jair. Ive believed in you getting you strength back after surgery and returning to being at least as good of a pitcher as you were last year when you desrved to start the allstar game! You might be the ace of the staff and people on here been sating get rid of you all searon.. Shows their baseball i.q. People have impatience and want immediate eGREAT results and expectations of people. Its worse than ever.

Thank goodness none of these folks have Wrens job….Half the team would be gone before June every year!

Andrelton Simmons

July 17th, 2012
1:30 am

If JJ has another strong outing it wouldn’t be a bad idea to try and package him with Mike Minor and snag a guy like Grienke if we are assured that he will sign a long term extension. I don’t care about any of the pitchers available other than Grienke and I think it would be beyond idiotic to trade Teheran or Delgado – we better keep both of those guys.

However, I’ve basically given up on Mike Minor I mean he’s 24 years old and he hasn’t had 4 consistent outings in a row EVER in the MLB. I know a lot of teams think he’s still a big prospect so hopefully the Brewers do. Him plus JJ and maybe 1 young minor leaguer with some potential for Grienke and I’d be ecstatic!!!!

DeepDiver

July 17th, 2012
1:53 am

Wins are a meaningless stat for a pitcher. R.A. Dickey was in line for a win with that mess of a game he threw on Saturday, but for a late Braves rally. He gave the lead away three times in that game and left trailing by two after 5 innings.

But I guess if the Braves were not able to pull off a rally he would be “scrappy” and “gutsy” and “a winner”. Instead, the Braves won so that was a bad outing, in hindsight.

Ridiculous.

longtimefan

July 17th, 2012
6:47 am

HOF 10

July 17th, 2012
7:18 am

Chipper is right: JJ can win if he hits his spots. We don’t know if his old stuff returns when his knee is fully healed. If nothing changes, he can be a solid 3 or 4 in the rotation. But the way it works, we’d have to pay him for what he’s done in the past, not what we can expect going forward. MLB needs to get a grip on its finances.

John Pappadoppagapoulas

July 17th, 2012
8:37 am

Look nolakid stats and metrics are all important,but you are disputing what an all star catcher says to be true? At this level when velocity is up slightly and location is better it makes a huge difference. This combination will make JJ an all star again. Just look at the change between April and July. Have faith brother.

Winchester

July 17th, 2012
9:12 am

Sorry, pardner. “I just want to have fun and want my team to have a good time”.

When you are paid millions and are called a professional, that statement grinds on me. You are paid to be focused and deliver the contract you signed with the Braves.

Alexander The Great

July 17th, 2012
10:36 am

To u folks who would even think about trading Prado.Have you been watching Braves games lately.Where would the Braves be without Prado?
He can play anywhere. Pitch too. If we needed him to pitch…He is without a doubt the most valuable player on the team .
Maybe trade Freddi…But not Prado.

Amber Girl

July 17th, 2012
10:44 am

Good morning everyone Go Braves!!

Livan's HONGRY

July 17th, 2012
11:26 am

When did a 1.14 WHIP become listed as shaky? You can hate on the velocity- which is always underwhelming- but his WHIP is actually decent since his return. Unfortunately Wren froze during Jurrjens’ peak value because we will never get that kind of return again. At this point, all we can do is hope for good outings because you’d be getting $0.25 on the $1 from what it was two years ago.

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