1:12 pm July 15, 2012, by Carroll Rogers
July 16th, 20126:18 pm
The back of a players card contains data of concluded game performance…..I have never seen one that states/claims any data that could be forthcoming, i.e., next baseball season projections.
not that I’m saying Minor will become Glavine, just pointing out that after only 40 starts we shouldn’t be passing final judgement on a guy who strikes out over 8 per 9 innings
I think that’s very fair. I’ve said all along that in today’s game, kids are expected to produce almost from the get-go in the majors. Kinda silly.
July 16th, 20126:19 pm
Some news on Yunel. And we promise, this isn’t coming from anyone in anyway connected to Braves or who covers Braves:
July 16th, 20126:20 pm
If Jurrjens and Sheets pan-out, maybe there is a an argument for standing pat on acquiring a starting pitcher. Small window, though, for Wren to make that determination.
July 16th, 20126:22 pm
yeah small window so if he really wants one he will prolly get one
kids are expected to produce almost from the get-go in the majors.
It’s a sign o’ the times in Atlanta. Can’t afford many vets, so kids get the ball, and the rest of the team is good enough to keep them in contention despite the sometimes shoddy starts from the youngsters… tough being a kid dropped onto a team in the heart of a pennant race, but not much the Braves can do about it.
Sink or swim.
July 16th, 20126:23 pm
so looking at Delgado and Minor’s performances so far this season, who has been better?
July 16th, 20126:24 pm
good point Murph
Nick–you make a deceptive comparison between minor and Heyward. Heyward struggled with injuries last year that resulted in some mechanical problems at the plate. I don’t know for sure, but some of minors problems seem mental. Reading his quotable does not inspire confidence, nor does his high ERA. I’ve always liked Delgado better, by the way.
July 16th, 20126:25 pm
1.4 fWAR in 16 starts is good value
regardless of all that, a guy I’ve been keeping an eye on who could be the next surprise out of the farm system is Alex Wood, upper 90’s fastball from the left side, weird delivery that turns off a lot of scouts, but if he can reign in his breaking ball, he could really turn out to be a force, if he can’t, he will still end up a power lefty arm for the pen….
July 16th, 20126:26 pm
Agree murph, but it’s perplexing who gets the lifeline. I’m still sour that Delgado sunk to AAA. it may be a simple matter of too many righties, but still…
July 16th, 20126:29 pm
I just think Delgado’s ceiling is lower than Minor’s, I also think Delgado needs to work on improving his breaking pitch more too as it doesn’t really fool many hitters and gets him into deeper counts. whereas Minor just needs to work on his pitch selection and aggression in the strike zone more, which is better off for him to do at the major league level as if he went back to AAA he’d just dominate them again and not learn much of anything.
you really think Wood can be a successful healthy big league pitcher with that delivery?He seems to have a good arm but that is a pretty big impediment to success IMO. gonna have to watch that a while
July 16th, 20126:30 pm
WAR WAR WAR. Bah Humbug!!! could absolutely not care less about his WAR
July 16th, 20126:32 pm
Delgado has plus pitches and Minor does not but Minor’s the better bet? sigh
Minor is the original high floor-low ceiling projection.
It’s s hard to tell, there have been plenty of guys with weird deliveries that never get hurt (and plenty who do). I suspect that he will never quite get the feel for the 3rd pitch enough to start, but I could see him on the big squad in 2014 setting up Kimbrel with his fastball and changeup
July 16th, 20126:33 pm
“If the Braves could successfully trade for a Hamilton type bat with Martin Prado character and two-three years of team control, it is the only scenario I could be happy with prior to the July 31st deadline.”
Do you honestly think the Braves as constructed can make a serious playoff push standing pat? Not busting on you, just surprised to hear such conservative thoughts. 3 games out isn’t a bad position but that could be 5-6 by next weekend. The Nats have taken 6 of 8 already against the Braves, unless upgrades IMO are made, we will not catch that team. There is no way this team stays pat this year.
July 16th, 20126:34 pm
Chief Nokahoma possessed good value IMO……and, he got chopped too.
July 16th, 20126:35 pm
and it could be no games out too. anybody who thinks this team has no chance is seriously out of touch with the game of pro baseball
IF Delgado can cut his walks down from 4+ per 9 he just might edge out Minor, but I suspect it’ll be with another team
July 16th, 20126:36 pm
You give this team one more arm and they could literally win 95+ games this year.
and no I’m not smoking rocks today! (today!!!)
personally I think they are both #3s but Delgado has more upside if they both fix things as well as possible
July 16th, 20126:38 pm
what would a new pitcher get, 14 starts at most?
No need for the disclaimer, I don’t think anyone would think that article about Escobar was done by someone covering the braves. They would never use the phrase makeup uses.
I think they are similar , but I like Minor more cuz of his strikeouts per 9 and the fact that he’s left handed
July 16th, 20126:39 pm
left handed is an advantage
around 14ish but combine that with Sheets getting 14 more starts and I think that could mean 4-6 more wins for the team this year combined
July 16th, 20126:40 pm
IF Delgado can cut his walks down from 4+ per 9 he just might edge out Minor, but I suspect it’ll be with another team
I’m a big Delgado fan… never seen a kid pitch with the poise that he did last year down the stretch.
If the Braves trade him I’ll be upset. I know he has more value than Minor… most guys in the organization not named Constanza do… but still, the kid showed a lot of grit and moxie and mound presence and grit… not to mention grit… when the Braves needed him.
This team couldn’t win 95 games with Fredi at the helm if Maddux, Glavine and Smoltz were pitching in their prime.
could be if sheets holds up, but i’m not convinced that will occur, though i am not saying it won’t either. just have to see
mlbtraderumors.com is saying that the Red Sox are hot in pursuit of Dempster
July 16th, 20126:41 pm
Nocahoma was a great guy. He just liked the little kids mothers too much.
July 16th, 20126:42 pm
oh yeah, Sheets is such a mystery…. gotta hope the surgery and extended time off helps keep him healthy.
but my 95+ wins was a bit of hyperbole based on acquiring a top line guy AND Sheets continuing to pitch very well.
Delgado was rated above Minor coming up wasn’t he?
July 16th, 20126:43 pm
I believe that to be true Half
July 16th, 20126:44 pm
Red Sox Aggressively Pursuing Ryan Dempster….Per M.LB Trade Rumors…….
July 16th, 20126:45 pm
Yep, he was, but not by much, he was always listed as having a higher ceiling than Minor but Minor had a higher floor…. In reality, I’m a bit worried about Delgado ever reigning in his breaking ball enough to knock down his walks and not get rocked the 3rd time through a lineup
I posted an article yesterday detailing all thae teams that are interested in Dempster. not gonna come as cheap as some think IMO
July 16th, 20126:46 pm
FW has to be careful after getting bit twice with Lowe and KK.
July 16th, 20126:47 pm
If the Yankees truly want him, he would be a fool not to go there. Leading their division, that lineup….
not sure about the not by much part, some few had Delgado ranked above everybody but Teheran including Vizcaíno
The Red Sox seem like a powder keg about to blow however, I don’t know if I’d want to be too close when it does
July 16th, 20126:48 pm
I disagree with em then, Delgado seems to me to be just meh…. maybe I will be wrong, but I am worried about his K/BB ratio and his incessant nibbling
July 16th, 20126:49 pm
” posted an article yesterday detailing all thae teams that are interested in Dempster. not gonna come as cheap as some think IMO”
Of course he’s not going to come cheap, but not going to give up Delgado or Teheran. Makes a lot of sense, hope Dempster is interested. I think he’s moved this week.
July 16th, 20126:50 pm
Nolie are you a Tennis Fan.
July 16th, 20126:52 pm
Interesting to see if Dempster would be willing to go to the AL being a NL his whole career.
well Frankie some here have claimed he would be fairly cheap, so whatever
July 16th, 20126:53 pm
I don’t know if he will or not, but If I were him, I;d go to the team with the best chance to win it all, right now, that’s the Yankees or the Rangers
July 16th, 20126:54 pm
I’m not sure that is nibbling as much as it is decent control but lacking command. hard to be sure
July 16th, 20126:55 pm
agree Nick – the Red Sox are a down streak away from imploding. Bad personnel moves and the wrong personality managing are a recipe for disaster. Pedroia and Ellsbury are hurt. Youk has been traded. Big Papi wants out and will be out at the end of the season. AGon is having a down year. Lackey has been a disasterous signing. Beckett has a bad attitude. Jenks was terrible in the pen. Melancon, for whom they traded their SS prospect for, has been a disappointment. Bailey has been hurt. Bobby V seems to try to irritate anyone within a 50 mile radius of himself.
No thanks – I would not want to be a Red Sox.
of the available arms in ascending order of what I think it will take to get them:
Garza (and with his extra year it will be really close between he and Greinke)
Shields (if that rumor is true)
got that right. Though the Yanks supposedly aren’t interested in Dempster. Can’t stand the AL but I would love to see Yankee-Rangers ALCS. That would be good television.
yup, I’d go to a winner, can always switch this winter as a FA
July 16th, 20126:56 pm
You must have never watched the women if you think Tennis sucks. Maria Sharapova is enough reason to watch a match. The reason I asked is because one of the top mens players is Novak Djokovic and his nickname is NOLE but sounds Nolie.
July 16th, 20126:57 pm
sure some cute women, but a boring game to watch IMO
July 16th, 20126:58 pm
Dempster just hurts the Cubs when he says he would be willing to resign with the Cubs after the season.
There should be a rule to prevent a club from trading a player then resign him that offseason. Or at least a rule letting the team the player is traded to to receive draft pick compensation.
For example – Dempster is traded to the Braves. He does not resign with the Braves and signs with the Cubs. The Braves should get draft pick compensation in that case. I am fine with the rule with no compensation if Dempster signed with the Red Sox, Rangers, etc. but not when a player resigns with the team that traded him.
its all just individual taste though, I love watching 9-ball which I’m sure most would find even less interesting than tennis
July 16th, 20127:00 pm
Women’s tennis is only bearable if you watch it on mute.
July 16th, 20127:02 pm
or just turn it up really loud and close your eyes and imagine….
I can’t say I am a huge 9 ball fan but I have watched and Marvel at their skill.
July 16th, 20127:04 pm
I like your way of thinking NICK
July 16th, 20127:11 pm
Danga, women’s tennis is only bearable if it is on a channel that I’m not watching.
Stephen Covey: RIP.
July 16th, 20127:13 pm
Tennis is like most any other sport in that watching a match live gives you much more appreciation for their ability.
Should I say being there in person.
Coach (2012 Fredi's Beisbol Fandango)
So, we picked up Paul Janish for his defense……right Frank Wren?
Brent Lillibridge just got DFA’d, You think his defense, ability to play six positions and speed might help too? or maybe we should just stick with Jack Wilson and Matt Diaz, who together don’t offer as much versatility as Lillibridge.
July 16th, 20127:14 pm
“I want to pitch every day,” Greinke said. “That’s not possible.”
I like this guy.
July 16th, 20127:15 pm
Yeah…But does Lillibridge own Johan Santana?
Hugo Z Hackenbush
July 16th, 20127:20 pm
Ho ho, Youkilis scores, laughing his ass off.
July 16th, 20127:27 pm
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No. but he did hit 13 HR’s with 29 RBI off the Sox bench last year while manning six positions. Not to mention who his hitting coach was………….Greg Walker.
July 16th, 20127:29 pm
“This team couldn’t win 95 games with Fredi at the helm if Maddux, Glavine and Smoltz were pitching in their prime. – ACE”
I mean sure, I love my Braves but, lets get real people. This is an 80 win team…..realistically.
July 16th, 20127:30 pm
What is Lilliridge’s WAR?
July 16th, 20127:31 pm
Sounds like the asking price for Dempster has gone through the roof.
July 16th, 20127:34 pm
mixxo, you are so right! I like realism. I like knowing the truth before I get too excited. Why not? Mixxo in Chinese means “dumb shi*head”.
NO MORE FREDI
July 16th, 20127:37 pm
Kelly Johnson stats close to Uggla but he gets paid $7 million less. Blue Jays are getting ripped too. $6 million for Johnson? Crazy!
July 16th, 20127:40 pm
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REALLY? I mean R-E-A-L-L-Y….
You’re telling me that a 49-39 team with 74 games remaining can’t even play .500 baseball (86-76)??????
Never mind the reality that they are 138-112 since Fredi took over. What, math wasn’t your favorite subject? Well it wasn’t mine either but at least I have the common sense to know a winning baseball team when I see one.
July 16th, 20127:42 pm
THis team is starting to make a believer out of me, but then I remember late Aug and Sept last season. this team is made up mostly of the same guys that choked last year.
July 16th, 20127:45 pm
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I don’t know and neither do I care. What concerns me is my Braves don’t have a true utility player, and that is exactly what Lillibridge is.
July 16th, 20127:46 pm
That’s the spirit, George
July 16th, 20127:47 pm
R.I.P. Jon Lord (co-founder of Deep Purple)
July 16th, 20127:55 pm
I’d love to see the Braves offer Lillibridge a minor league contract. Heck, I’d even give up a lower level minor leaguer for him.
But we need some players who can actually HIT off the bench. Really, the only bench player who has hit his weight recently is Ross.
July 16th, 20128:04 pm
I want to know his fking WAR! You might think it’s dumb or irrelvant, Coach, but I need his WAR.
July 16th, 20128:05 pm
So, DOB, are we to surmise that the A’s think Cubans like to play out there and do well?
Sigh. Nothing but WAR-heads on this blog.
July 16th, 20128:09 pm
Look it up Brian, if it’s that big of a deal to you? You ARE on the frickin internet aren’t you?
July 16th, 20128:11 pm
WAR and BAiP … remember pjHort or whatever that kids name was? He’d go on and on with this like it was a science project here.
Now we have Efrim …
what is WAR good for? absolutely nothing ………
July 16th, 20128:15 pm
Where is DOB? Tweeting and jammin I guess. He doesn’t like us anymore. Whhhhhhy?
Hearing rumors that the Brves hope to resign Michael Bourn within the next week.. Anyone else heard about this?
July 16th, 20128:18 pm
Blogging is yesteryear. Tweeting is the new fad. DOB is hip to the news fads. He could’ve given us a goodbye at least.
July 16th, 20128:21 pm
Where’s that rumor coming from? I’ve been off the grid for most of the day. Haven’t seen anything to that effect personally.
I hate off days.
July 16th, 20128:23 pm
Page 18-19 DS1
July 16th, 20128:26 pm
Yes, but where is that rumor coming from? Source?
July 16th, 20128:27 pm
$12-$13.5 mil a year for 4-5 years neither makes me happy or sad for Bourn – seems fair.
Not sure Either But Hope its True…..
July 16th, 20128:30 pm
Where is that rumor coming from Miami? I’d be Ok with the price tag is what you state is true.
July 16th, 20128:34 pm
If the Bourne rumor is true that it would be a complete change from the way Boras does business. Only way Bourne extends now is if he wants to play here and told his agent to get it done. 14-15 mil for 5 just might do it.
July 16th, 20128:35 pm
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