1:12 pm July 15, 2012, by Carroll Rogers
July 16th, 201212:51 am
DS1 sums it up nicely.
July 16th, 201212:53 am
I posted this earlier today, but if the Mets devolve to a sub .500 team, the Braves could have only 24 remaining games against teams with winning records all year
It is a big series, Wayne. Giants don’t like the Ted, though. And aren’t we missing Cain this go round?
July 16th, 201212:54 am
Sounds like he’s been coached well. — Woody
For sure… I didn’t know about his father until I read that today. With his range & arm deficiencies, he may be better-suited to play 2nd base & left field. With his speed, they might try at CF, too, depending on how he does in left.
Rev may not end up cutting it…. or he could end up being traded to a non-contender as part of a package where he could start at 2nd with little pressure (that might b the best thing for him honestly) But I don’t think he would be a bad bench guy for the Braves, as long as Simmons doesn’t make a habit of the disabled list anyway
What if the Phils get above .500 Nick?
July 16th, 201212:56 am
yep, Cain and Lincecum (who had his best start the day after I cut him from my fantasy league…)
we get Zito, Vogelsong and Bumgarner, facing Jurrjens, Minor and Hudson respectively
He’s got terrible feet,too, Bobby. And his instincts suck.
Some of the guys you mentioned are paid more because they are more capable than others too.
Also, some teams can afford to pay more for their bench. If your a bench guy and NY or LA offers you 3 million per year and Atlanta offers you 2 million per year, which deal is the best? I really don’t know how you can affectively factor in cost of living in baseball.
And Pastornicky was very disappointing earlier with his poor defense. Maybe he’ll get better with time and experience. I hope for his and the Braves sake he does.
July 16th, 201212:57 am
Minor. Sheesh. Don’t get me started. I hope like hell he gets his head right.
July 16th, 201212:58 am
I think the odds of the Phillies going over .500 are fairly low
they are 12 games under with 72 games left , to reach .500 they would have to go 42-30 the rest of the way….. that seems unlikely
Are you insinuating that this upcoming series with the Giants is a “statement” series?
July 16th, 201212:59 am
Minor vs Vogelsong appears to be the biggest challenge (which means , of course, we win that game late on a grand slam or something)
July 16th, 20121:00 am
Nick–Phil’s will put the division into a tizzy unless they stay off Craig’s list. Can’t imagine they won’t put some kind of run together if they stay cohesive. They won’t win the division, but….
(concerning the Phillies) Couldn’t happen to a nicer bunch…….
The A Bomb
July 16th, 20121:01 am
The Phils will have a lot to say about who wins the NL East.
Who wants to face Halladay or Lee in the final 2 weeks? Any volunteers?
July 16th, 20121:02 am
Well, as you say Wayne, if they lose two out of three, we’ll see all the Wilburs posting the statements here in blogusville.
July 16th, 20121:03 am
If the season ended today, we’d be in the wild card. The Dodgers, Red Sox and Rays would be OUT.
I’m not buying the Phillies, and they aren’t buying it either, I bet they move Victorino and I bet Hamels turns down their offer and they ship him off too.
I think it would be a huge mistake for the Phillies to pay Hamels $22 mill a year for 6 years r wtvr it nds up being, they have so much tied up in Howard, Lee and Halladay that they could be seriously terrible with 4 geezers drawing over $100 between them awfully quick
July 16th, 20121:04 am
Hell, we could win the next 20, and if we lost a series after that to ANYBODY we’d still hear wailing and gnashing of teeth on the blog.
July 16th, 20121:06 am
I think any team would be utterly foolish to disregard the Phillies at this time. If they get Halladay back and their right side playing well, they could turn into a big 2nd half surprise.
They’re a second half team anyway.
Wayne — Braves could win the next 20, but the way they go they could lose 20 of the next 22 after that.
July 16th, 20121:07 am
I hope we lucked out with Big Ben and he’s the missing piece of the puzzle…that will be a great story.
I still don’t understand Fredi throwing The Rev under the bus for missing that bunt sign…it was his first AB back up here and looks like he could use a vote of confidence that we think he can do the job as a utility player. Unless that’s Fredi’s version of tough love?
If Sheets works out, then I would like to see us get a bat for the push for the playoffs.
5 against phillies , 4 against rockies, 6 against Mets, 3 against Brewers,3 against Nats,6 against marlins and the 3 October games against the Pirates
looks pretty good to me, I doubt that Halladay or Lee will even be pitching by then, neither is in any awards hunts, and saving those pricey arms would be a priority
July 16th, 20121:08 am
And Utley and Howard are going through “spring training” now. Not gonna be in the playoffs, but they’re going to snap some necks before this is all over.
The A Bomb: Did you use another blog name in the past? Just curious.
July 16th, 20121:09 am
He’s only 28, Nick. Six years older than Pastor. You wouldnt sign him for six?
July 16th, 20121:10 am
Never ever Ken. Always been my explosive self.
Not a change guy.
Maybe I will be proven wrong, but the Phillies ,to me anyway, look old, expensive and beat up , it’s the end result of that manner of building a team via free agency
July 16th, 20121:11 am
Oh If I were about half the teams in baseball I would yes, I’m not commenting on Hamels, I’m saying that with all the long expensive deals they have already, do they really want to add another one? Seems like a risk , cuz what happens in 4 or 5 years when they are paying all that money out to aging players? (that Howard deal may end up one of the worst since Vernon Wells when it’s all said and done)
July 16th, 20121:14 am
Ken — I must remind you of someone from the past? I’ve been on here for about 2 1/2 years now.
I wouldn’t bet against great starting pitching this year, even if at the moment its only its “potentially.” Though the Phil’s are mighty rickety in the field.
The A Bomb: Thanks, me too. You just seemed “familiar”, like someone who used to be on here, but that I can’t readily recall. As I said, just curious, didn’t mean anything by the question.
July 16th, 20121:15 am
I agree about the Phillies looking old and beat up. But I’d never want to underestimate them either.
Kinda like some of us old codgers. We are old and fat, but in a fight; we sure don’t fight fair. We’ll kick you in the gonads and make you wish you’d seen it coming…….
I think guys that change their monikers are a piece of crap……….
The A Bomb: Yes, you were reading my mind.
July 16th, 20121:17 am
Besides, Nationals have 6 of their final 9 against the Phils. Can’t see the Phils lying down. No way — not based on how Manuel managed Game 162 last season.
You might be right about Howard, nick, but the blown Achilles would blur hindsight.
July 16th, 20121:18 am
Wayne – LOL.
Ken — Nope. Always been A Bomb and proud of it. Speak my mind, try to be intelligent, respectful and love a good baseball discussion. Try never to get personal — except with sleep-apnea driven Philly fans.
I was just counting up the years a few minutes ago that I have been enjoying the blog. I won the 2nd Wurlitzer at the end of spring training of 2007, which was the beginning of my second year on the blog. So I must have started around this time in 2006.
And look where it’s gotten me………..
July 16th, 20121:20 am
The A Bomb: You are a good blogger and I have enjoyed our conversations.
July 16th, 20121:21 am
Celeste Holm……….. RIP.
Damn, you’re going to give him the big head now…………
Gotta be careful with those left coast guys.
July 16th, 20121:22 am
Howard has been declining before the injury, seems pitchers have got him pegged pretty good, he still kills mistakes, but he’s not a $25 mill player (and aside from maybe his first 2 years, never was)
Thank you sir.
I love the Braves and love reminiscing about the good-old days.
July 16th, 20121:23 am
You know us Wayne, we’re a little off-kilter anyway.
But it’s only 10:21 p.m. right now, plenty of night remaining!
July 16th, 20121:24 am
I was here about a year or two before Carolina Lady, Bob and those others left, not sure what year that was, I’ve lost track.. I followed Journalist Jimmy Smith the most and had several conversations with him, but I did not participate a lot with the rest of the blog in the beginning, although I read it everyday.
July 16th, 20121:25 am
I hear you nick, but the “narrative” will always contain one of the most excruciatingly painful to watch, not to mention most tragically timed injuries in the history of baseball.
July 16th, 20121:26 am
Yeah, and Woody is on the Island…must be nice to live in paradise.
Gonna be down in your neck of the woods in August. Catching the Braves in SF during the weekend of Aug 25th and then heading on down to LALA land to visit family and friends. Hoping to catch one of the games in San Diego while there.
Remind me of where your at again?
Yeah Woody has it better than all of us! Sun’s still out!
July 16th, 20121:27 am
Hey Ken. Good win today, huh?
July 16th, 20121:28 am
Those folks left either in 07 or 08. Not sure. I miss those folks too. Good bunch.
Y’all need to come visit!
July 16th, 20121:29 am
Anybody that lives in “the islands” should be scorned regularly! Though I am sure a lot of folks are envious of my area of coverage……….. some seriously nice areas. (WA, OR, ID, UT, WY)
Woody, yes it was and the Sheets story is a wonderful thing if he can keep it going. Could be that one piece we need to go all the way.
Wayne — I’m just north of L.A. — about 40 miles.
If you haven’t been to San Fran I’m telling you it’s a tremendous ballpark. You will love it.
I’m probably heading to Petco for the Wednesday 3:35 p.m. game — my son goes to San Diego State so it depends on his school schedule. Plan to play hooky that day. We’ll see. Tickets are pretty reasonable on StubHub so I’m not too worried.
The Phils will be paying Lee, Halladay,Howard, Utley, Papelbon and Rollins $110 mill next year, yikes
July 16th, 20121:31 am
Regardless Nick those are good players who can easily play spoiler at any given point in the pennant race. I expect them to be flirting with .500 when it’s all over. They’re still dangerous.
Agree on sf park.
July 16th, 20121:32 am
Wayne, I was thinking ‘07, it seems I have been here at least 5 years. Yes, I miss those folks a lot, too, especially JJS.
ANY win is a good win. But it was really nice to see Sheets have a good day.
But I did have a twinge of empathy for Santana in the 5th tonight. That pitch to Janish looked too good to take. But the Bourn pitch was definitely a ball.
add Pence’s $10+ mill and that’s over $120 mill to 7 players, if they give Hamles $22 that’s $142 mill to 8 players!!!!!!!!
July 16th, 20121:33 am
I’d like one more piece in that rotation, ken. Got a bad feeling about Huddy. And minor is no comfort.
I agree, but CB Bucknor is a lousy umpire and was actually consistently not calling that all day, but I understand why the pitching coach got ejected, I prolly would have too
July 16th, 20121:34 am
Like I said earlier, this was Wren’s best day of the season.
And for Gonzalez benching his godson and playing Prado and Diaz he gets major kudos as well. A good day for him as well.
And you don’t hear that out of me too often.
I was out in the Fairfield area for about 15 years from ‘75 til ‘90. Spent a lot of cold days at The Stick.
Still get out to the Bay Area quite frequently and have caught about a half dozen games at the new park. Though I love The Ted, Denver and Phoenix; the part in SF might be my favorite.
July 16th, 20121:35 am
Jurrjens is the one I worry about, Minor can at least strike people out and if he can learn to trust his stuff more, could be a good pitcher, Jurrjens lives and dies by his command and he’s on the cusp of it all falling apart very often….
Yeah, Huddy is scaring me, he usually toughs it out, but I think he is really hurting.
They sell lots of cheese steaks, nick.
July 16th, 20121:36 am
Uggla’s numbers against Santana are BAAAADDD and Diaz’s are really good, don’t give Fredi too much credit!! lol
July 16th, 20121:37 am
I was so impressed with AT&T.
But I want to go to Pittsburgh. Flirting with the final series. Have 2 vacation days from school and it’s right after payday.
If we end up going to the same game in SD, let’s make a point to hook up to put a name and face together.
One of the best moves I’ve made on the blog was to connect with tiger297 back in ATL. Top class individual with a fantastic family!
July 16th, 20121:39 am
Sure Wayne — I’ll let you know for sure.
When you go to SD — don’t eat at the park. Go to Phil’s BBQ — best BBQ in SoCal by a friggin’ longshot!
July 16th, 20121:41 am
Nick–I bet Jurrjens gets better with time. I’m guessing his problem was poor rehab habits. He says his leg is getting stronger. I believe him. I also think that stint in minors gave him a little edge, which he needed. Minors problem may be between the ears. Not good. We’ll see.
To be honest folks, there is reason to be scared of ALL our starting pitchers. They all are on some shaky ground.
I’ve said all along, this season could be a really good one, or one where we struggle to stay above .500.
And so far it’s been true. We have looked REAL good at times, and real iffy at times.
Health, luck, development and getting hot in late September. This is why we need to stick with our young arms almost to a fault. Because if we lose Huddy or Jurrjens or Hanson (or heaven forbid two of them) we’re going to need our young arms to come around.
July 16th, 20121:42 am
Phil’s BBQ. I’m writing that down in my planner. We’ll stay in touch as time gets closer……….
July 16th, 20121:43 am
I worry about them all, none are blemish free
July 16th, 20121:44 am
tiger is a great guy, no doubt about that
July 16th, 20121:46 am
I would trade Hanson this winter,I bet we could get a royal haul for him
so are you old fart……
July 16th, 20121:47 am
I’ll see you and raise you, nick.
I’d trade prado.
July 16th, 20121:49 am
Good night, good folks…you too, nolie.
July 16th, 20121:50 am
them’s fightin’ words Woody…
Yeah Wayne — watch when you have a chance. Even better in person….
Prado? yer high!
July 16th, 20121:51 am
later on ken
Good night Ken.
July 16th, 20121:52 am
I have to say, that regardless of what happens this season, be it we win it all or miss the playoffs, this is going to be the most interesting and eventful offseason in recent Braves memory
July 16th, 20121:53 am
I don’t know what the best plan is for using/trading pitchers, but I know what I’d lean towards.
I’d keep my good arms right up until a half a year before they become free agents. Use them frickin UP before that. Deal them if you can’t sign them (if we are not in the hunt).
Keep the pipeline full and keep rotating them through the system.
When you find a real gem, extend him if you can (my approach with Beachy if he comes back strong from TJ surgery).
I’d still sign Hanson up if he’s still pitching well in a couple of years.
Hang onto as many of the young turks as you can. Guys like Greinke are not a sure thing.
I’d go instead for long shots like Liriano or vets like Dempster if you felt like you needed one more arm.
And if I’m FW right now, I’d make a play for one of those 2 guys.
July 16th, 20121:54 am
LOL. I know, nolie. I wouldn’t trade him for Janish. Oh, we got him…
A top shelf lefty starter? Sure.
July 16th, 20121:55 am
Hanson is a Boras client (as is Jurrjens) and I don’t trust Hanson anymore with his lower velocity
I’d trade Prado for Trout or Harper (and I’d throw in Teheran too!)
but it’d break my heart to do so……….
July 16th, 20121:56 am
I’m on the Liriano train myself, costs should be pretty low, reward could be great! reward could be mixed too…..
IMO, the team who makes the first deal for a pitcher is gonna get the best deal, as the number of available arms dwindle, prices could go up
July 16th, 20121:57 am
he hits 90 and 91 just like Sheets did today and better than JJ does or usually Hudson, so why single out Hansen re velocity?
I would throw Prado a 4 year $38 mill offer at him so fast, with a 5th year team option with a $2 mill buyout
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