1:12 pm July 15, 2012, by Carroll Rogers
July 15th, 201211:29 pm
No outfielders available worth anyhting.
July 15th, 201211:30 pm
Bobby H: I appreciate your response.
You might be right about them trying to get a better offensive player before resigning Wilson.
My assumption, and it’s only an assumption, they didn’t want Wilson playing 4-6 weeks is based on the fact they never said to my knowledge that they expected Wilson to step up and they were seeking another back-up. I was just always under the impression they were looking to trade for someone to start in Simmons absence. They apparently did say today that Janish would be the starter until Simmons came back, not when Wilson came back.
I also thought it was a little strange that they DL’d Wilson when the original indication was he’d just need a few days, but maybe the medical staff felt otherwise.
And you’re right, Pastornicky will probably go back to Gwinnett when Wilson comes back. I should have said when Simmons comes back. I assume they would want to keep Janish over Wilson as the backup at that point. Although I guess they could send Janish to AAA until Sept.1, assuming Simmons even comes back before Sept 1.
Nolieee…….have you received your pen and pencil set from AJC/Sports Desk yet?
July 15th, 201211:31 pm
when Simmons comes back the roster will likely be expanded, why would any of those guys leave?
July 15th, 201211:32 pm
threw them all out Mudd, just make everybody else jealous
July 15th, 201211:35 pm
nolie Why would you want Jack Wilson? Come on man…….
July 15th, 201211:36 pm
I went to his BB% and ISO power stuff on fangraphs
July 15th, 201211:38 pm
I did not say I wanted Jack ward, I said Janish is a terrible hitter and I wondered where Nick was coming up with his numbers.
Nobody reads what someone says around here, as soon as they see what they think is a disagreement with what they think, they take the comment to its extreme
July 15th, 201211:39 pm
Just had to stop by the ol’ blog and see how everyone was reacting to the Sheets start today… got to watch the entire game (wife and kids out of town)… awesome first start.
I know it’s just one start, but if his next is good, I wonder what that means for the team at the deadline. I can’t imagine them using a high-level prospect to get anyone, not with the top 4 guys in the rotation throwing well and the possible fifth, either Minor or Delgado, showing flashes of brilliance here and there.
A bullpen arm would be nice. Don’t have much faith in anyone outside of Medlen, EOF, and Kimbrel right now. Other than that, I’d just leave things as they are.
But it should have been…
July 15th, 201211:40 pm
nolie – I get you……..
hmm, his career major league numbers? cause that doesn’t seem to jibe with what I see on BBRef.
July 15th, 201211:42 pm
I also thought it was a little strange that they DL’d Wilson when the original indication was he’d just need a few days, but maybe the medical staff felt otherwise. — One-Eyed Mac
It could also be that the Braves took advantage of the injury to give Wilson an opportunity to get some AB’s. Especially after seeing Prado fill in at SS, quite respectably.
looks like I read his AAA numbers as his 2011 Reds numbers…..
in AAA he had that BB and ISO rate,
but aside from 2011, he sill walked around 9% and had an ISO power over .100
Murph – I could see a possible Dempster, or Liriano deal, because that would get the Braves deep into Octorber. Also good to hear from you…..
Hey , we can’t lose tomorrow!!
July 15th, 201211:43 pm
they take the comment to its extreme
So you’re saying I’m a complete idiot?
July 15th, 201211:44 pm
could be Bobby, send him down for rehab and let him play a few in a row
(which would not differentiate you from people who actually know me)…
July 15th, 201211:45 pm
he’s a 59 career hitter, prolly about as low as one can find in the bigs, though I ain’t gone searching for worse
Just had to stop by the ol’ blog and see how everyone was reacting to the Sheets start today… — Murph
Are you kidding… the blog was already arguing about how many years to sign him for.
Wilson Vs. Pastor is sort of like having to choose between being bitten by a rattler or a copperhead. Not a real good analogy but its a wash either way.
I’d keep Pastor over Wilson just because he is young and could getg better. Wilson will never be more than he is now. Simmons gets back then Janish is backup.
July 15th, 201211:46 pm
what in the hell does my comment have to do with you VJ?
July 15th, 201211:47 pm
Should? Yes! On here? Never!
July 15th, 201211:48 pm
I’m pretty sure Jack will be gone next season and if he works out at al Tyler will be the backup.but man he needs to play more like he is capable of playing. no scouting report reported him as being nearly that bad
July 15th, 201211:51 pm
Nothing – it just works into my dream of random comments, and taking offense randomly – of course, the fact that you almost seem to have taken me seriously indicates that you don’t realize how totally pointless (and not worthy of paying attention to) all of my comments are (as certain residents north of me seem to have lost track of)…
kid looked anxious to me, like he was pressing to prove he belonged there
July 15th, 201211:52 pm
i.e. – just kidding…
I thought Sheets pitched excellently. He looked a little out of shape and stiff looking which is to be expected.He reminded me of Hanson, not in appearance or delivery, just that he was 90-91with the fastball and then he had that big hook. Fastball has a little more movement than Hansons. Hitters had to respect the fastball and he seemed to go with the fastball a litle bit more later in the game, unlike Tommy.
oh, well in that case: screw you, you mindless troll…..
Pastor needs to play and not sit on the bench and if its in minors thats better than sitting.
July 15th, 201211:53 pm
The Braves do seem to take these streaks to extremes though, jeffrey.
Did you mean the Braves or the blog? Because I think in both cases you’re right. The Braves are 49-39, but I’m pretty sure that was in streaks of 0-4, 22-1, 2-26, 19-8, 6-0
And, well….you know how the blog is. 2 game losing streak and it’s time to blow up the team
James Brown in 1964 at the height of his powers on the wonderbread white T.A.M.I. show.
Feet that Tyler Pastornicky’s only dream of.
July 15th, 201211:54 pm
Lets talk about Uggla some!!!!
Not really. Gotta go make a living tomorrow.
Pastor had a better stick than Jack this year, and Jack the better D.
Perhaps it’s just my subconscious reacting to the fact that the good people of the tutoring center think it’s a good idea for someone who goes to bed at 9:30 every night to work from 9 a.m. – 10: 30 p.m. for 3 weeks from the end of July into August…(albeit only 6 days per week)…
hell, two close wins will get some of them started jd
July 15th, 201211:55 pm
You tell him, nolie
July 15th, 201211:56 pm
What would you guy’s think if “The Rev.” Plays well? It would really get interesting?
July 15th, 201211:57 pm
that lil Monica Webb from Villa Rica is quite a pool shooter. I don’t think VR even had a pool hall in my days up there on the west side of Atlanta
July 15th, 201211:58 pm
I think they would love to have him play well, he’s be a good cheap versatile sub
July 16th, 201212:00 am
you mindless troll
Can’t argue with that…
work from 9 a.m. – 10: 30 p.m. for 3 weeks from the end of July into August…(albeit only 6 days per week)… — Venice Jim
July 16th, 201212:01 am
okay…while I’m not endorsing the loony way of life, I saw the box scores of Friday and Saturday’s games (did I mention I was in a wedding this weekend and didn’t see the games? And performed the Thriller dance to an enormous and adoring crowd?) and thought, “wow….those were ugly wins. Pitching must’ve sucked”
and, even in the midst of a winning streak, I was a little alarmed. So while I’m not encouraging people to overreact, I can understand why people push the panic button
July 16th, 201212:03 am
young up and comers are great, but when the rubber meets the road there is a lot to be said for having been there and done that enuff times to really know that you can get er done under stress
Time to start storing up sleep for those upcoming days on non-sleep – good night, sweet blog, and flocks of angels sing thee to thy rest…
All,have a good one! Talk tomorrow, and hope some thing happens on Monday? Peace my friends, and “Go!!!!!Braves!!!!!”
July 16th, 201212:04 am
Funny story: after the rehearsal dinner we were practicing the Thriller dance. I was wearing a collared shirt but with a Braves shirt (A with a tomahawk behind it) under it and another groomsman (from New England) happened to be wearing a David Wright shirt under his shirt. We took off our collared shirts to practice (obviously) and immediately realized our rivalry. I was pleased to find out the Braves won that night (and Saturday night, and tonight)
July 16th, 201212:05 am
I just can’t imagine that Pastornicky fits any way into the Braves’ plans beyond this year or maybe even beyond August 31. He’s out of a job at short because he’s a terrible fielder and can’t hit a lick. He bunted on his own advice then Fredi told the world about it after the game. (couldn’t fredi have taken the hit on that one for the young man? He doesn’t care about the
I had better call in a night, too. Later everyone…
panic accomplishes nothing, a few deep slow breaths are more worthwhile…or some Xanax if you just ain’t git the balls to handle your emotions yourself (that being the generic you of course)
July 16th, 201212:06 am
I can understand why people push the panic button
Sometimes you can be too nice…those people push the panic button when the starter gives up two hits with a 37 run lead…
harpies on the blog anyway.)
July 16th, 201212:07 am
I don’t think I agree Woody, though you may be right. unless someone wants him in a trade , I think he’ll be here next spring
July 16th, 201212:08 am
I am too nice sometimes
July 16th, 201212:10 am
I really do hate to think what the rest of their lives might be like if a silly baseball game can get their bowels in such an uproar.
When in trouble or in doubt, run in circles, scream and shout!
July 16th, 201212:11 am
you is a sweety, no doubt about it Jeffster
July 16th, 201212:12 am
We may see him in ST, nolie, but what’ll he be competing for? He’s a kid and will be competing for a utility position. It’s a helluva thing to say to a guy who still has dreams of playing a position full time. It’s a cruel game, but does the young man accept such a fate?
July 16th, 201212:15 am
Been watching Newsroom, nolie?
July 16th, 201212:16 am
he really doesn’t have much choice about it Woody if thats what the team wants. at least he would be playing in the bigs and making half a mil a year to soothe the disappointment. to my way of thinking thats a pretty cushy deal
July 16th, 201212:19 am
no I haven’t though I’ve saved them so far. not much that I watch right along in real time, finishing up season 6 of Psych and the last season of In Plain Sight right now. Such a snarky bitch she is in SIGHT and of course there is Marshal Marshall. I will miss that show
Major league minimum doesn’t sound too bad, and being a role player in the show beats starting at AAA
July 16th, 201212:20 am
True dat, nolie. I’da taken such a deal. Make like joe simpson, milk it then high tail it to the booth.
July 16th, 201212:21 am
It’s my personality. I’m very nice and forgiving. It’s good because I can see both sides to all arguments and I’m very forgiving because I know that every man sins and does stupid stuff (sometimes me more than anyone else).
But it’s also bad because that niceness gets taken advantage of sometimes.
might work out, kid caint be any dumber than Joe is….
July 16th, 201212:22 am
And when I say “sometimes” I mean “all the time”
July 16th, 201212:23 am
I can always see both sides of arguments, but once I make up my mind, that is the right side and anybody who disagrees is a BIG DUMMY and I have no patience with dumminess…..
July 16th, 201212:24 am
I used to be that way Jeffrey until I decided to become a sociopath
Well, we’ll see gentlemen. But again, I’m not sure he’ll see the show in a braves uni and it won’t be his choice.
July 16th, 201212:25 am
I like being nice and forgiving, though. It’s who I am.
July 16th, 201212:26 am
no reason in the world to cut him, send him to winter ball and let him work on all three positions.
July 16th, 201212:27 am
I’m saying for 2013, nolie.
July 16th, 201212:28 am
about that money I owe you Jeffy, :
My bills are all due and the baby needs shoes and I’m busted
Cotton is down to a quarter a pound, but I’m busted
I got a cow that went dry and a hen that won’t lay
A big stack of bills that gets bigger each day
The county’s gonna haul my belongings away cause I’m busted
so I;m sure you’ll understand that I just caint pay you back
I’ll send you a pineapple if he makes the opening day roster, nolie.
don’t forget also, that the Braves could use the money saved by having a league minimum utility man on other spots. A good utility guy will run you $4-5 mill a year.
July 16th, 201212:30 am
ha….nolie, you covered the exact reason why me being too nice has come back to haunt me.
It’s a little funny because my dry sense of humor gives the impression that I don’t care, but my gosh….I keep feelings into considerationg all the time. Probably too much.
Isn’t “good” the operative word, Nick?
July 16th, 201212:32 am
well I’m not sure that failing to make the opening day roster will mean that he will never play in a braves uni again.
July 16th, 201212:34 am
Pastornicky just needs some encouragement right now. You know he probably feels down and out. We all need this in our lives from time to time.
think I’m gonna go watch some 9-Ball. y’all take care
July 16th, 201212:36 am
we could encourage him to jump rather than just stand there looking down….
I sit here and read some of this stuff and wonder how many would say what they type to others face to face. Too embarrassed to?
July 16th, 201212:37 am
well, when I say “good” I mean above avg and on the free agent market….
I see no reason Rev couldn’t be a league avg utility man, he has the advantage of speed which makes him useful to pinch run, he will end up probably being at least useful at SS and 2B (and left field probably) . and he will be cheap, never underestimate the value of cheap!!! lol
Quoting Hamlet on the old blog. I love it.
July 16th, 201212:38 am
Now nolie, it ain’t like you to equivocate. But then again, you may be correct . And come to think of it, more time in AAA might be what it takes. He just doesn’t strike me as a kid with a whole lot of confidence right now. As the Captain would say, he may need to get “his mind right. And I mean RIGHT.”
nolie is a hard nosed, grizzled vet. You need some of that too. Can’t be all mushy gooshy all the time either.
July 16th, 201212:40 am
Well, you get what you pay for, Nick. But hey, I’m starting to sound like a hater. I mean the kid no ill.
July 16th, 201212:42 am
Maybe Pastornicky should stay away from Braves blogs, especially these. Matter of fact, no way am I even thinking of reading what fans are typing if I’m an athlete or famous. Really means nothing anyways.
July 16th, 201212:43 am
We may see him in ST, nolie, but what’ll he be competing for? He’s a kid and will be competing for a utility position. It’s a helluva thing to say to a guy who still has dreams of playing a position full time. It’s a cruel game, but does the young man accept such a fate? — Woody Woodward
The last 1/3 of Carroll’s blog (today’s) covers that Woody. You should check it out – it’s very good.
Before I go! I love all you man……..Peace my friends”Go!!!!!Braves!!!!!”
July 16th, 201212:44 am
I think your overstating the value of a good utility player Nick. Maybe 1-2 million for a decent vet utility guy with no aspirations of being a big league star.
Look at Ross, Diaz and Hinske as examples.
gotta remember he’s 22, and most guys his age are in a AA… having a solid role as the utility man should help him regain some confidence without the pressure to be “the man” as long as our ,…..sigh, “manager” can somehow instill this fact to him, he should be just fine
Thanks, bobby. I need to catch up. Hope I didn’t embarrass myself.
July 16th, 201212:45 am
Internet is both a blessing and a curse. With that I say, sweet dreams kids
July 16th, 201212:48 am
I don’t think so, Woody, but you may have pissed Carroll off.
July 16th, 201212:49 am
If Pastornicky has any hopes of having any sort of major league career, he’s going to have to improve his defense quite a bit; or he’ll have to learn to be able to play more adequately at 3-4 other positions.
Otherwise his career will be short lived. Not being mean, but that’s the facts.
Look at guys like Theriot and Fontenot (first two that comes to mind) who are average defensively on a good day. They have shown the ability to hit enough to hang on for the past 4-5 years or so.
That’s where I see Pastornicky’s potential.
Hmmmmm, Bobby. Sounds like he’s been coached well. I don’t know the lad, though. The proof will be in the pudding. We’ll see how he does in the batters box and when the ball is hit to him.
July 16th, 201212:50 am
not a bench guy, I mean a true multi positional utility man, like Hairston Jr, Punto,Reed Johnson, Mark Derosa before he was an injury waiting to happen and Infante before he became a starter
Hairston is getting $3.75 mill ,Punto is making $1.5 now at 35, but in his prime he made around $4mill a year , Derosa made more, but he started more…
But, if you notice, most of the better utility guys tend to be former starters who got old.
I think Rev will be fine as a utility man, he’s cheap, capable enough, and can at least play SS , which a lot of utility men really don’t do, which can force teams to add another middle infielder for the bench. Rev could enable you to go after 3 guys that fit more of the “corner” bat type
July 16th, 201212:51 am
Blog seems to be a heckuva lot more pleasant after a 7 game winning streak. Now just let us lose the first game to the Giants and we will be back to sukking again…….
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