Updated: Braves trade for Janish
Vivlamore reporting from Turner Field.
The Braves acquired infielder Paul Janish from the Reds Saturday in exchange for pitcher Todd Redmond. The Braves have been trying to acquire a shortstop since Andrelton Simmons broke his right hand last Sunday.
Janish, who will report to the Braves Sunday, played all season at Triple-A Louisville and hit .237 in 49 games. He played 114 games with the Reds in 2011 and hit .214.
“In evaluating after Simmons was hurt and talking to our scouts, we felt Janish was the best defensive shortstop out there that we could acquire,” Braves general manager Frank Wren said. “He was the number one guy on our list. … He is a proven defensive talent and we felt for our club that was the most important aspect of the acquisition.”
Wren said the corresponding roster move would “not necessarily” be to return Tyler Pastornicky to Triple-A Gwinnett. The team called up Pastornicky Saturday after utility infielder Jack Wilson was injured Friday.
Wren said the Braves were looking at “three or four” shortstops. He did not name other players the team pursued but Yankees minor-leaguer Ramiro Pena is believed to be one.
“We were the pursuers so you can’t necessarily dictate the timetable,” Wren said of the Braves’ search. “[The Reds] had other clubs [interested in Janish]. They were talking to three different clubs this morning about him. There are other clubs looking for shortstops who’ve had injuries. It came down to us and two other teams.”
Janish, 29, has three arbitration-eligible seasons before he can become a free agent.
Redmond, a right-hander, was 6-6 with a 3.58 ERA for Triple-A Gwinnett this season. He was scheduled to be a minor-league free agent after this year. He will report to Triple-A Louisville. In 199 career minor-league appearances, including 193 starts, Redmond is 69-56 with a 3.57 ERA.
- Chris Vivlamore
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Weaseal
July 14th, 2012
5:22 pm
Money for nuthing and your chicks for free
get
July 14th, 2012
5:22 pm
Fiirst
MikeY
July 14th, 2012
5:26 pm
I don’t likethis, I was hoping for Lowrie or Carroll or Scutaro.
Wren’s moves thius far, and my grades:
Signed Livan Hernandez (F)
Signed Chad Durbin (B+)
Hoover for Francisco (C-)
Signed Ben Sheets (TBD)
Redmond for Janish (C-)
Traded Drew Sutton for cash (F-)
Signed DJ Carrasco (D-)
Signed Felix Fie (B-)
2012 draft, overall (B+)
Luman Harris
July 14th, 2012
5:29 pm
Thanks, Mike Y
I’m sure Frank will get your repost card signed by his mom and dad
yeaaaaa
July 14th, 2012
5:30 pm
Hoover for Francisco a C-?
Hoover had no room.
Your logic is flawed. Why in the hell would we get Marco?
Oscar
July 14th, 2012
5:31 pm
Yawn-ish
.237/.332/.391 in AAA this year
yeaaaaa
July 14th, 2012
5:31 pm
How stupid do you people feel who type “fiiiiiiiiiiiiiiirst” and you’re actually not first…? You look like gigantic retards. Do you feel that way too?
Centrist
July 14th, 2012
5:32 pm
How much confidence does this show having recalled Pastornicky to do this trade?
CSP
July 14th, 2012
5:33 pm
@ mike. Not sure why you’re not running the Braves… Oh yeah, cause you have no f n clue.
Sean B
July 14th, 2012
5:35 pm
The only headline I wanna see is BRAVES TRADE RANDALL DELGADO, Constanza and Pastornicky and a bag of balls for Zach Greinke!!!! These Braves sort of feel like the Hawks of old……(pre…Ferry)! Let’s make a move and bring Greg Maddux here again….it worked before!
Texas Braves Fan
July 14th, 2012
5:36 pm
Where is Mike wrong?
Coxie
July 14th, 2012
5:36 pm
I would’ve liked Lowrie or Scutaro too…but they would’ve cost too much considering we only need them to stop-gap while Simmons is on the DL, granted they’d be great role players and better than Wilson…we need to re-sign Bourn and add some pitching.
Sean B
July 14th, 2012
5:37 pm
Oh yeah, lets go get Hannrahan too!!! Pirates are pretenders anyway….FLUKE
Bob
July 14th, 2012
5:37 pm
Screwed up umpiring.
SeaAtl
July 14th, 2012
5:38 pm
pretty underwhelming move, trading for a AAA guy that can’t hit; but really it’s just a short term fix & til Simmons gets back – I doubt Wren wanted to use all of his trade “chips” for this unforseen blip on the radar when he’s likely still looking for pitching and maybe a bench bat. Nothing to get excited about but also nothing to get pissed about.
jharber
July 14th, 2012
5:41 pm
wren for president.
jharber
July 14th, 2012
5:42 pm
and how many games in the next six weeks?
omm
July 14th, 2012
5:43 pm
Signed Chad Durbin (B+)
Booooo! Thumbs down.
MikeY
July 14th, 2012
5:44 pm
@yeaaaa, Hoover currently has an ERA of 3.00 and a WHIP of 1.06 for the Cincy pen. Francisco is a AAAA player, out of options, we can’t send him down to AAA where he should be to be getting AB’s.
Hoover could be a contributing pitcher in our pen.
I’d prefer Scutaro or Lowrie or Carroll to Jack Wilson. And I’d sure prefer Lowrie, long term, to Francisco.
SeaAtl
July 14th, 2012
5:44 pm
Durbin has been the 2nd or 3rd best guy in the bullpen………….!
BravesfaninBama
July 14th, 2012
5:45 pm
The Braves just need a def ss to fill in for Simmons while he’s on the dl. Didn’t really cost much so won’t hurt. Do hope we can land Greinke though……We need the young Nats to go on a losing streak!!!
Lobosolo
July 14th, 2012
5:48 pm
Baseball experts…. alive and operating (?) on the blogs… you’d think they’d be out doing what scouts do… actually go see and use their experienced (?) minds to determine what is or is not best for “their” team…. LOL! what a bunch of knuckleheads…
D-Man
July 14th, 2012
5:50 pm
I’m still mad at A. Simmons for going for that double. The pitcher was coming up behind you with two outs…it wasn’t worth it rookie. Having said that, get well and GET BACK soon.
Steve
July 14th, 2012
5:50 pm
Janish is a glove. Period. He was a decent hitter in college, but is overmatched in the majors. He is a lesser-fielding version of Jack Wilson.
For my money I would rather have Pastornicky starting, at least he can provide a spark on offense every now and then.
Redmond was nothign but organizational depth for the Braves. It would take 4-5 starters getting hurt for him to get intot he MLB rotation. He would never amount to more than a middle reliever for the Braves. Solid pitcher, but more like a 5th starter at best in MLB.
Centrist
July 14th, 2012
5:50 pm
Umpires got the play right a while ago – one ump called it a catch and Prado had to go back to 1st based on that, second ump correctly called it a trap. Batter safe, and runner (Prado) awarded 2nd on wrong call by the other ump. Simple. Announcers OTL.
kerryb
July 14th, 2012
5:50 pm
Here we go again. Hanson is a master at getting a lead then giving it back up the next half inning. I wish we would trade Tommy Hanson for Greinke.
GT Alum
July 14th, 2012
5:51 pm
Carroll might’ve been doable since he’s a backup and the Twins are out of it, but Lowrie and Scutaro are major league starters. Even if their teams are conceding the season, they’re not likely to trade MLB starters for minor league depth, and the Braves don’t want to give up a big price for a guy who’d be a starter for a month, then would be bench depth.
I’m kind of wondering if the Braves aren’t thinking about leaving Prado at SS and platooning Diaz and Hinske.
bulldogbubba
July 14th, 2012
5:51 pm
Looks like a poor trade.If he was major league talent why was he not on their roster?Oh well it is only 4 weeks, right?We need bench help.
Brain Doc
July 14th, 2012
5:51 pm
Lobosolo, did you really do your own lobotomy, solo?
It shows…
Braves Fan
July 14th, 2012
5:52 pm
Nothing for nothing? Not a bad move.
HelpBraves'Fans
July 14th, 2012
5:52 pm
Braves fans don’t cease to amaze me. Did you really think that Atlanta was going to deal for Lowrie, Carroll or Scutaro? They have Andrelton Simmons on the DL. He will start for many years for the Braves. You also have a veteran in Jack Wilson to back him up. Plus, much of the Braves’ minor league talent is at shortstop. They don’t need Lowrie, Carroll or Scutaro. I think Paul Janish can be a utility infielder and they also have Tyler Pastornicky learning the craft of a utility player in the minors. Every trade can’t be for Michael Bourn or Zack Greinke. Jeeesh!
ACE
July 14th, 2012
5:52 pm
Lobosolo, with your vast knowledge we only need to wait for your comments.
Steve
July 14th, 2012
5:52 pm
Durbin has been rock solid. Anyone not liking that signing is still stuck in April when he was a little shaky due to lack of spring training action. Since April he has been as good as you could ask for .. so wake up.
As for those asking for Lowrie or Scutaro, you would have to give up at least one top-tier prospect most likely and neither of those guys are worth that for a 6 week rental. so please, stop talking about them. They would cost us far more than they would be worth.
Just let Tyler play until Simmons gets back and move forward.. All this is nonsense.
kerryb
July 14th, 2012
5:53 pm
Tommy Hanson came up with a lot of potential but he has never lived up to that potential. Some times I wonder if thus is as good as he is going to get.
Focus
July 14th, 2012
5:54 pm
What the heck
MikeY
July 14th, 2012
5:54 pm
To me, we are entering the time of year when guys from other teams that were starters can be back-ups, on a playoff team. Lowrie would be under team control thru 2014, could have been our starting 3B next year.
Brave Decisions
July 14th, 2012
5:55 pm
He’ll be replacement level, all Braves need right now. http://wp.me/p2lqJ1-b4
the truth...
July 14th, 2012
5:56 pm
His stats look a lot like his oder twin Jack Wilson…..
double
July 14th, 2012
5:56 pm
Trade a pitcher.This is what this team needs most.”pitching,pitching.Pastornicky could fill in for 3 weeks.The Reds love to see Braves coming to trade.
Steve
July 14th, 2012
5:58 pm
kerry .. People were saying far worse about Halladay, Johnson and Verlander. I think they turned it around all right. Give Tommy a little more time.
kerryb
July 14th, 2012
5:58 pm
Tie game. Well, at least Tommy Hanson can’t get a win. He doesn’t deserve one.
the truth...
July 14th, 2012
5:59 pm
You have to remember guys that to get Lowrie or anyone else, you have to have a team willing to trade him…………just cause we want him doesn’t automatically mean his team will trade him and/or if they will, what is the asking price?
Maybe Janish is a stop gap to Andrelton getting back and nothing more….but we lose Redmond….
kerryb
July 14th, 2012
5:59 pm
Steve, sick of seeing that joker give back leads all the time. That’s what he usually does. He will never be on the level of Halladay or Verlander.
OK
July 14th, 2012
6:00 pm
Well Looks like were gonna lose this game
the truth...
July 14th, 2012
6:01 pm
BTW our big problem is NOT SS………….it’s on the mound….last night Huddie was weak and today Hanson again hits his 6th inning wall…..
And those are our 1-2 arms ??????
GT Alum
July 14th, 2012
6:01 pm
MikeY -
Yeah, they can be backups on a playoff team, but that doesn’t mean their current teams are going to give the away without expecting anything in return.
Lowrie isn’t going to replace Chipper’s offense. Hopefully the Braves can move Prado in and find a LF who will provide similar offensive production to Chipper.
kerryb
July 14th, 2012
6:02 pm
You’re right truth, Hanson hits that 6th inning wall way too much for a pitcher that’s suppose to be a top 2 starter. The thing is he is not a top 2 starter. More like a 3rd guy.
the truth...
July 14th, 2012
6:02 pm
@kerryb
And who even dared hope Hanson would be on the level of Halliday or Verlander ???? Not even close…………
I’d settle for Tommy Hanson making it to the 7th just like he is….
kerryb
July 14th, 2012
6:04 pm
The problem with the Braves is they have no ace in the starting rotation. They are all 3rd to 5th starter material.
Around The Horn
July 14th, 2012
6:06 pm
A STUPID TRADE
Sometimes you have to wonder if Frank Wren and the Braves management team knows what they’re doing.
Frank has traded for a Jack Wilson clone.
What’s the advantage???
kerryb
July 14th, 2012
6:06 pm
The Braves are holding on to all of this supposed young pitching talent when they could go get a proven starter with it. Teheran or Delgado may just turn out like another Tommy Hanson who has unrealized potential.
Yogi Berra
July 14th, 2012
6:06 pm
First– I wanted Lowrie.
Ok, for the money and reason we getting Paul Janish this is perfect. He has a great glove and thats what Braves need. He has played 3b and 2b but not much. He also pitched 2 inning in ML. He was hurt in 2011 when hit on wrist while playing with Reds. I usually don’t agree with Wren but I’ll give Janish a chance. I believe he will be received well by team. This probably means Wilson will be put on waivers.
Now let get a SP thats damn good.
Turtsnap
July 14th, 2012
6:07 pm
MikeY – you forgot Francisco F F F
lee maye
July 14th, 2012
6:08 pm
Durban not rock solid today. Luis Avilan strikes out Ike Davis, in his first major league appearance. Way to go, kid.
Zac in Tempe
July 14th, 2012
6:08 pm
first
smallmouth6
July 14th, 2012
6:08 pm
Glad to see that Redmond might get a chance to pitch at the Major League level. Hope the same for Constanza. Hate to see guys get bottled up when they seem to have a lot of talent.
mikeo
July 14th, 2012
6:11 pm
kerryb, give it a rest. Hanson is 10-5 with a decent ERA, pretty decent. And, Verlander was just outstanding in the All Star game. Ever hear of a pitcher with a perfect record? Didn’t think so.
fed up
July 14th, 2012
6:13 pm
This is a typical move.Guy is batting .237 !!!!!!!
don
July 14th, 2012
6:16 pm
Under the circumstances, Janish is a decent pickup. And, hopefully, Redmond will get the chance he would have never gotten in Atlanta.
Some of these posts are ridiculous. Their expectations are not realistic and probably say a lot about just how little they really know about baseball.
jharber
July 14th, 2012
6:19 pm
wren for president
mikeo
July 14th, 2012
6:24 pm
don, thank you. You hit the nail on the head.
jharber
July 14th, 2012
6:24 pm
wren nominates fredi g for his running mate
GT Alum
July 14th, 2012
6:26 pm
kerryb -
The problem is those proven starters cost a lot more money than the young talent. You have to give at least some young talent a chance because no team can afford to fill their roster with experienced veterans. Even teams like the Yankees and the Red Sox give prospects a chance.
Now, part of the problem is we’re paying Lowe ace money from Wren’s 1st attempt to rebuild the rotation.
To me, the problem that might force the Braves to make a decision about Tommy is that he’s only a couple of years from becoming a free agent. If they think he’s going to demand a contract that’s worth more than what he provides, then they should probably trade him to get some value for him instead of letting him walk.
Blue ridge Brave
July 14th, 2012
6:34 pm
Good trade im a big fan of janish. He plays his butt off and is a fill in only no reason to go get to much and give up trade chips we will need in a bigger trade.
Fredi Gonzo
July 14th, 2012
6:36 pm
I thought we were getting Jeter.
Charlie
July 14th, 2012
6:42 pm
Typical Franki Wren, “how stupid can you be / do everything on the cheap”…The Braves go get a AAA shortstop, who can’t even hit at AAA. Tyler P. is already available. Franki Wren, idiot that he is, keeps his crown as the dumbest GM in baseball. He brought the title from Baltimore, and wears it proudly in Atlanta.
Dawg '88
July 14th, 2012
6:43 pm
Fredi Gonzo…if it were Jeter then it would be a defensive downgrade. Most overrated player in the history of MLB. Even the players say that. He gets more cheap hits and gift ones from the scorekeepers in NY than you can shake a stick at.
clark kent
July 14th, 2012
6:51 pm
Look at all the armchair GM’s show up. If only all these folks with years of MLB experience would listen to them we’d win 200 games a year.
Tami
July 14th, 2012
6:55 pm
@ Steve: Solid analysis of the SS situation. My thinking is that the Braves’ brass traded for this new guy to provide backup for Tyler until Andrelton comes back. Maybe in the meantime, Tyler finds his stride. Then, when AS comes back, Tyler becomes the utility IF that he’s been getting prepped at Gwinnett for. IF (and I do mean “IF”) the Braves manage to get in the playoffs, depth in the IF will be most helpful. I like this move. The Braves needed temporary, emergency depth at SS and they got it.
Backdoor Slider
July 14th, 2012
6:55 pm
A MISTAKE
I guess Frank is now admitting he made a mistake when he not only traded for Jack Wilson in August of 2011 but also resigned him for the Braves backup duties this season.
Wilson’s injury was classified as day to day, nothing long term. He could have been back in a few days.
But I guess Frank felt he had to make another trade!
I would have preferred giving Pastornicky more major league playing time during the next six weeks. His bat is much better than that of Janish and team won early on with his defense.
Frank Wren
July 14th, 2012
6:58 pm
I know I am in the bottom 4 for GM’s but cmon guys, I am the one that just pulled a major coup in getting a 237 minor league shortstop, when we got T-past who is really not that bad and better offensively and keep in mind I am also the one who gave Chad durbin 900,000 and also signed Scott Proctor. FML Scheurholtz is going to fire me after this year because most fans could do my job better. Thank god liberty media doesnt care, or I wouldve never got the job to begin with. And I started to wonder why Atlanta fans do come out to the park like the big markets. I thought it was the humidity but really its just me
keylargo
July 14th, 2012
7:06 pm
You’ve got to pinch run for Maccann. He’s already cost one run today on the bases,
Gulf Coast
July 14th, 2012
7:10 pm
Can’t help but wonder: What in the hell did Pastornicky do in his BRIEF stint in ATL earlier this year to be relegated to persona non grata?
Frank Wren
July 14th, 2012
7:10 pm
Keylargo, you are a moron, Take out a silver slugger catcher down 2 with another AB still to come from him. Thank god you arent the coach
Frank Wren
July 14th, 2012
7:15 pm
T-past, cant get an F n sac bunt down, SS need to do that, but hell I wouldve said let the kid hit
JR
July 14th, 2012
7:22 pm
When are we gonna be serious about winning? Before we gave up on Redmond I would like to have seen him pitch in the bigs. He has been solid in the minors. He has to pitch better than some of the mess I have seen this year. If you are gonna hit around. 200 you had better field like Ozzie Smith IMHO. Hopefully Wilson or Simmons will put on their big boy britches and play hurt. And btw go get a pitcher and a stud bat. Spend some stinking money. Didnt Liberty just win like 750 million in a law suit. Dang hook the Bravos up with about 20 mill
E.F Hinson
July 14th, 2012
7:33 pm
A poor man’s Jack Wilson.Younger version.
keylargo
July 14th, 2012
7:33 pm
On that double that Uggla hit, McCann not getting to third changed the whole course of this inning. Announcer.
It was a single because McCann could not make third. Just a liability on the bases.
Looks a whole lot more like you’re the moron Frank Wren. You’ve been hanging around a few months acting like a a fool. I’ve been on this blog 6 or 7 years and following baseball 7 times that many years. You act like an idiot, expect to be called one.
BravesFaninBama
July 14th, 2012
7:44 pm
Great win boys!!! Hitters 1, 2, and 3 get it done!!
Mets R Best
July 14th, 2012
7:48 pm
We were robbed! I’d say call the cops but we are in Atlanta. What a rip off in the 5th inning! And then our manager thrown out!
The Mighty Mets were ambushed and hijacked in Atlanta.
Mets R Best
July 14th, 2012
7:53 pm
Don’t go to Atlanta if you want a fair game.
i love the Mutts Bullpen
July 14th, 2012
7:55 pm
Might want to check out your bullpen guy ^
Ground Rule Double
July 14th, 2012
7:56 pm
Folks, did you not read the part where Redmond would have been a minor league free agent at the end of the year. He was 27. He wasn’t going to see the rotation in Atlanta.
We got a cheaper, younger Jack Wilson for a guy that was leaving in 3 months. Don’t understand the huberous.
This is a 6 week, at most, fill in for Simmons. I think this move made sense. And, he backs up a bunch more positions.
Alaska Braves Fan
July 14th, 2012
8:01 pm
About Frank Wren: Give the guy a quite limited budget and expect him to do two things. The first is to cobble together a good, winning MLB team by spending his money and other resources wisely, giving the Braves a shot to go to the playoffs. The second is to keep every ignoramus who thinks he understand both the sport and business of baseball ecstatically happy. (Well, I just made up that second one.)
So far during his tenure, despite serious setbacks no one could have foreseen, such as Simmons’s broken pinky, Wren has done a truly fine job with his first task. What does it take for you knuckleheads to understand that he cannot unilaterally manufacture deals that are beneficial only to the Braves with finite resources? Every purchase has a price, and he cannot afford anything and everything.
With regard to his second task, Wren has been less than successful, as would any smart baseball person – because that task is impossible of achievement! Those who cannot think through the process never will be pleased. It’s sort of like a very small child who wants what he wants and cannot accept the notion that the purpose of the universe is not just to keep him happy.
Fantastic game today!! How do those guys do it, with Wren holding them back like the ignoramuses believe he is doing? How exciting!
ABF
64 year Braves fan
July 14th, 2012
8:04 pm
Fredi Got lucky that Bourne, Prado & Heywood bailed him out. What the hell was he trying to get Pastor to bunt with 2 strikes on him? Hit away! A good bunt would have gotten the fleet footed McCann out at 3rd anyway. And let’s get rid of Francisco. Bring up Costanza or Durango. Also never let Hanson start a 6th inning. Five is his limit.
Pat Rocket
July 14th, 2012
8:05 pm
Bourn: are we even negotiating for a long term deal or will settle on a draft pick? does he want to stay in Atlanta?
ryan
July 14th, 2012
8:10 pm
Frank Wren and former Hawks GM Rick Sund are the same person always keep things the same cheap Braves need to find there Danny Ferry someone who not afraid to take risk .
Alaska Braves Fan
July 14th, 2012
8:11 pm
Of course, if the Braves management – Wren and Gonzalez – really were smart, they’d spend about $500,000,000 and get all the very most wonderfulest players EVER! Why, if need be, they could BORROW the money. Borrowing big always works out well, doesn’t it?
Naturally, an even smarter move would be to hire the wasted intellects that spend their time producing such incisive – if quite ignorant – critiques of their every move. I’m sure they would do soooooo much better!
ABF
Ray
July 14th, 2012
8:14 pm
Unless you know for a fact that Wren had not tried to swing a deal with multiple teams then to say he didn’t go after Lowrie and others is simply idiotic. I am pretty confident that the Reds is not the only team that Wren tried to swing a deal with. I have read in multiple places that the Braves have reached out to sign Bourn but Boras has said thanks but no thanks and is going to test the waters. Another words, have him sign with the Nationals along with a lot of his clients.
southgabrave
July 14th, 2012
8:16 pm
I hope you guys all realize there is 75 games left in the season. Simmons is expected to be out between 4-6 weeks. That calculates to between 25-36 games. The season can be lost by the time he gets back. I am hoping for 4 weeks not 6. If Janish is to strenghten the bench or back up Pastor well, all I can say is I am glad we didnt need Redmond.
kral
July 14th, 2012
8:24 pm
gosh knows we have more GM’S..in here than at the winter baseball meetings….or maybe they are imposters
Alaska Braves Fan
July 14th, 2012
8:25 pm
kral: I noticed that too. The brainpower is immense!
ABF
Coach (2012 Fredi's Beisbol Fandango)
July 14th, 2012
8:27 pm
Lot of hot air about this little trade, much to do about a small transaction that needed to be done.
kral
July 14th, 2012
8:28 pm
it happens almost every night ABF…but none seem to ever get hired
UPGRAYEDD
July 14th, 2012
8:28 pm
Solid move considering the emergency circumstances. Our top flight SS is out for 4-6 weeks. Lose his bat, lose his glove. So we stick in Jack Wilson. No bat, great glove. He goes down, we bring up Pastornicky. Modest bat, horrid glove. A defensive liability at that position can kill the team, and his first several weeks in the bigs proved that. Probably lost us 3 or 4 games during his tenure. So what does Wren do? Dumps a AAA pitcher out of options who we’d lose after the season anyway, and picks up a talented defensive SS to stand in until Simmons gets back in the lineup. Basically a no lose situation for the Braves, one that allows us to continue to ply a trade for a marquee starting pitcher. You guys are way too hard on Wren.
luvthosedawgs68
July 14th, 2012
8:28 pm
To those who don’t like the trade, why would you trade for an established shortstop that is only gonna start for 4 to 5 weeks? You’re not seeing the big picture. FW has alot more going on when it comes to trades. Whether or not any trades happen will depend on what is asked for in return. I believe Wren may give a little more talent from the minors, depending on who is coming to Atlanta. Another thing, NO ONE on here has the right to bitch and moan unless you’re the one picking up the tab on who’s coming to Atlanta!! The team has a budget it has to follow.
Alaska Braves Fan
July 14th, 2012
8:32 pm
UPGRAYEDD and luvthosedawgs68: You two are right on target. I second your thoughts, for what that’s worth.
ABF
P. Bull Terrier
July 14th, 2012
8:34 pm
kerryb – Which pitcher do you want?
Pitcher A -
Age 22: 8-7, 3.22, 82K
Age 23: 4-7, 10.64, 44K
Age 24: 5-3, 3.16, 96K
Pitcher B -
Age 22: 10-4, 2.89, 116K
Age 23: 10-11. 3.33, 173K
Age 24: 11-7, 3.60, 107K
Pitcher A is Roy Halladay (This year: 4-5, 3.98, 56K)
Pitcher B is Tommy Hanson (This year: 10-5, 3.71, 93K)
There is no reason to think Hanson can’t be as good as Halladay has been. In fact, Hanson looks better at this stage in his career than Halladay looked at a similar age and this season Hanson is outperforming Halladay. Verlander is a different story, but just because Hanson hasn’t matched Verlander doesn’t mean he can’t be an ace for years to come.
Whiskey River
July 14th, 2012
8:36 pm
Mr DODO head did a little good,but not enough. Give him 3 cookies and 2 glasses of milk. C’mon DODO head get Greinke and Cody Ross before they are gone. Wake up DODO head
jason
July 14th, 2012
8:37 pm
Simmons is going to be in a cast for 4 weeks so no way he can come back in 4 weeks. 6 weeks is probably when he will go on rehab and back a little after that in early september.
IowaBravesFan
July 14th, 2012
8:37 pm
I can’t believe a minor league trade got some of you people so upset. I’ll take a solid defensive SS over Rev until Simmons is back. I think having a talented defensive guy is just fine. He may not blow us away with his bat but if he can make some plays on defense thats alright. Not looking for a silver slugger, just a guy who won’t make us lose games.
Bravefaninok
July 14th, 2012
8:38 pm
fed up
July 14th, 2012
6:13 pm
This is a typical move.Guy is batting .237 !!!!!!!
That is a big upgrade over Hack Wilson(who is a good backup SS BTW)
Alaska Braves Fan
July 14th, 2012
8:40 pm
Look for Simmons to be back during the second week of September at the earliest. I’m not an expert, but I pretend to be one when I blog about baseball.
ABF
BravesfaninWis
July 14th, 2012
8:40 pm
This is a nothing trade. Redmond was never going to make it to the big leagues with the pitching depth the Braves have, and Janish is a poor hitter with good defense. The only problem here is that he is not as good offensively or defensively as Simmons, so the Braves in my opinion take a huge step backwards with the injury to Simmons and not getting a better option at SS than Janish.
Oh well, when do the Braves ever get things like this right? He is a stopgap while Simmons heals, but the Braves as a whole take a huge hit with this scenario. The only thing that sucks is that we will more than likely be in this situation for the rest of the season as I don’t think Simmons will be the same once he comes back because he will have to build the strength back in his throwing hand, thus will not be throwing as well, or hitting as well. Hopefully they can stay above water in the final few months here.
barack o'drama
July 14th, 2012
8:40 pm
say what you will about wren, but ownership is the real problem. Since wren became gm, only the rays have more wins with less money…so he’s a great gm for Liberty, not so much for fans who still remember the 90s
any chance mark cuban is still shopping around? But then again, he’s left the mavs out to dry the last 2 off seasons, maybe he’s outta money. Its tough being a Braves/Cowboys fan post-Maddux/post Aikman
jason
July 14th, 2012
8:41 pm
Good move. With Wilson most likey going on the DL they had to make a move. Cincy could have held the braves up for more. There aren’t many even no bat okay defensive shortstops in the high minors that teams are looking to move.
Prado is a gritty player but he isn’t a shortstop. That flip he made yesterday showed his limitations at the position. Any major league shortstop gets to that ball easily while. He should get credit for playing out of position but he doesn’t have the range to play short so they had to make this move.
Alaska Braves Fan
July 14th, 2012
8:43 pm
I’m so upset! Everyone is at fault and no one can do anything right. Why are they concerned about money and why can’t they get other teams just to give us what they want. All they have to do is wish real hard and spin around three times.
ABF
kral
July 14th, 2012
8:50 pm
you are the best ABF
Alaska Braves Fan
July 14th, 2012
8:55 pm
Thanks kral. Truly, I need to shut up now. I just get a little upset with some of the criticisms that aren’t really justified.
So, they’ve optioned Delgado. Interesting, but not unexpected. Hopefully, Sheets will perform well.
ABF
kral
July 14th, 2012
8:56 pm
you have to be wearing ruby slippers ABF…but make sure you take them off before you walk out into the public
Whiskey River
July 14th, 2012
8:58 pm
Where are the rest of the promises that DODO head made . Get off your a… and do your job. Now!!
Marty
July 14th, 2012
9:10 pm
So many idiots on this blog as usual. This is a great move — we got ourselves a slick-fielding fill-in at essentially no cost! Redmond was never going to crack our rotation and Janish is more than capable of being the defensive wizard we need at SS.
kral
July 14th, 2012
9:11 pm
Goodnight…Thankfully at least tonight the bloggers will run the team tomorrow …
Marty
July 14th, 2012
9:13 pm
Also, given how well Simmons has played, what did you geniuses expect — that we would trade for some great SS and then release him after Simmons comes back? Or demote Simmons? Get a clue.
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Russ Nixon
July 14th, 2012
9:15 pm
Mike Y, you’re an idiot, who cares about your report card. Are you a general manager on anyone’s payroll? Didn’t think so.
Luvthosedawgs68, you’re right on. This is a short term solution. Who does Mike Y think we’ll get for a career minor leaguer who wouldn’t even have been in the Braves organization after this year. What a prick.
Columbus
July 14th, 2012
9:20 pm
I love this move. It is more than a temp fix because when Simmons comes back, we can see about getting rid of Wilson and his contract asap. and free up more money for a possible starter or NEXT season. GREAT move…
Whiskey River
July 14th, 2012
9:20 pm
@Marty Thiis is a good trade.Jannish is a good SS. The only problem is DODO head did not finish his job.
bufferinng
July 14th, 2012
9:23 pm
so is janish going to be the backup and Prado the shortstop for now?
kral
July 14th, 2012
9:23 pm
Forgot thanks Braves..2 nights…2 crazy games ..loved it
nuh uh
July 14th, 2012
9:24 pm
Mike Y, how were you able to grade the Janish move but not that Sheets deal? Neither of them have played a game for the Braves yet.
nuh uh
July 14th, 2012
9:24 pm
PS you should start grading our posts.
southgabrave
July 14th, 2012
9:26 pm
Let me assure each of you that if the Braves don’t do more to increase their bench they will be out of the playoffs before it begins. They must also must improve the starting pitching, especially the #1 spot. This move does nothing to help once Simmons comes back. We still have a weak bench.
Alaska Braves Fan
July 14th, 2012
9:32 pm
One last thought: We can have it all, and it will cost us nothing!!
ABF
The Cap Tipper
July 14th, 2012
9:44 pm
So Wren wastes a good young arm, that we actually may need for pitching depth…who has been solid at AAA, for a .220-.230, no power shortstop, with good defense. Hello? We already have one on the team called Jack Wilson. Janish is Wilson’s exact doppleganger in MLB. I would have rather gone with Prado at SS until Wilson is back in a few days, and then just ride him out for 5 weeks until Simmons is ready. In my opinion we wasted Redmond- a good young arm- for nothing. I am stoked at the 6 game win streak…it seems we are finally getting some hits with RISP…I know!! I am as shocked as everyone at the Braves actually getting some clutch hits for once…
Alaska Braves Fan
July 14th, 2012
9:49 pm
I cannot help myself. In a whisper: I am not shocked. This is a talented team that is somewhat inconsistent because of its dependence upon young players. Duh!
ABF
Whiskey River
July 14th, 2012
10:02 pm
This team is playing really well right now. But I will bet that DODO head or Egg head will screw it up when we sent Constanza to make room for the Boss. Well I am going to do for a little bit what DODO head has been doing all year. Its called SLEEP. Good nite all.
Don
July 14th, 2012
10:04 pm
Hanson’s numbers are not as bad for this game as they look as Hinske butchered 3 outs into singles because he cannot run a bit in the outfield. It was difficult to watch as he has been a favorite of mine in the past, but this year he has put on a noticable amount of weight that kills him in the outfield. I was sitting on the 3rd base side and it was plan to see the only way he can make a catch is if the ball is hit right at him. Much more important to get his fat I@* back on the bench, Prado in Left and someone with a decent glove at Short.
least of the east
July 14th, 2012
10:05 pm
a minor deal so Wren can’t be ripped off too badly
after Reds got Hoover for Francisco, they came back for more.
I agree that Redmond should have been given a chance.
PS Braves were $23,800 under the 10 round draft allotment. god forbid if they went over by a few $ to sign a decent HS prospect from round31-40 and had to pay a small tax. anything to save a few $.
that’s why keeping Bourn is pointless. he’s as good as gone. no chance he stays here once a free agent.
GRAPHITE
July 14th, 2012
10:33 pm
whomever they wind up with,i hope he or she knows how to BUNT.
MD Braves fan
July 14th, 2012
10:57 pm
That’s it !!? That’s the move?! Bringin in Jack Wilsons clone. Ufb
jharber
July 14th, 2012
11:24 pm
Frank Wren for President-Fredi Gonzalez for V P
Colin Cowherd-er
July 15th, 2012
12:05 am
Not a bad move, but definitely one that doesn’t show on anybody’s radar.
JC
July 15th, 2012
12:09 am
You folks talk like trading is like trading baseball cards. Did you folks not read where they were looking for a stop gap.I am amazed you people did not want Jeter.Do the research,Janish will save more runs. A better hitter than Wilson and and a better fielder. Next time you go buy groceries and you would like to buy that steak but you only have the funds for Hamburger Helper, then maybe , just maybe you will understand a Braves GM(doesn’t matter who it is) can only do so much with owners like Liberty Media.
bird
July 15th, 2012
3:01 am
Janish adds some depth to a position the Braves are thin at. He can be a defensive replacement late in games, and get a few starts. Jose Reyes aint walking through that door.
reason
July 15th, 2012
4:32 am
These blogs have become so full with people relentlessly hating on every move that the Braves make, and on everything that Fredi Gonzalez and Frank Wren do or don’t do.
People who have put no thought into their comments at all post knee jerk reactions about this trade, which in reality is a very solid move. It’s like they just focus on a number- Janish’s batting average, of all things, and say “237!? This guy sucks!!” Janish is a solid defender and was most likely the best shortstop that was available for a song and dance- and available TODAY. Which is when the Braves needed to find a shortstop.
Redmond had very little chance of helping at the major league level this season, after which he becomes a free agent, so it’s really hard to understand anyone complaining about losing him. It opens a spot at AAA for a better, younger prospect. It’s a win all the way around
reason
July 15th, 2012
4:50 am
Dollar for dollar, Frank Wren has outperformed every other GM in the National League. He has done a superb job with the modest resources he’s been given over the past few years and in case all of his critics haven’t noticed, we’re sitting three games out of first place behind a very young, very iinexperienced Nationals club that has suddenly found themselves in the spotlight. It will be interesting to see how the Nats respond to the pressures of the pennant race in the second half and how they deal with the questions surrounding their use of their ace as his innings count creeps toward their presumed limit of 160. Regardless of how the Nats perform, the Braves find themselves in a great position, right on their heels. It’s hard to argue that the Braves aren’t one of the most balanced clubs in the league,and with a few upgrades to the rotation and possibly the bench or bullpen, they could easily become the team to beat in the National League.
reason
July 15th, 2012
4:54 am
Wren and his team deserve alot more credit for their successes and more respect from the fans. He took the reigns of this team when the farm system was wrung dry by a misguided attempt of his predecessor to take one last shot at the postseason, trading away 4 very talented prospects at once. Through trades and signings, he’s built the club back into a perennial contender His deals don’t always work out, but with the budget restrictions the team operates under, they have to be creative. Which is why I, for one, am truly excited to see what tricks the front office team has up their sleeves as we approach the trade deadline, and even more so in the offseason, when a few heavy contracts come off the books and allow the front office more flexibility in assembling the 2013 Braves.
But I’m sure no matter what deala Wren ends up making, he’ll be blasted and derided and second-guessed and there will be name-calling and general childishness from Braves fans, particularly from posters on this blog.
It’s kind of a bummer.
Freddy Gonzalez
July 15th, 2012
7:46 am
wwwwwww nuff said
JR
July 15th, 2012
7:55 am
My biggest frustration comes from our ownership situation. I grew up during the Ted Turner era which went from the absolutely horrible to the best, so I guess I am a little spoiled. I understand why the braves made this trade, but I stand by the fact that if you are not gonna trade for any better than what you have then don’t make a trade at all. I dont blame Wren, I think he is a good baseball guy and does pretty god with the budget restraints we have. I am just ticked that we have those restraints.
alanfalcon
July 15th, 2012
8:15 am
Frank is a BS artist, if and when he ever completes a trade he says it was the best out there, he never admits that another team took advantage of his in ability (Jaun Franscisco & etc.) !!!!!!!!!!!!!
Dan Schlossberg
July 15th, 2012
8:42 am
The shortstop problem did not originate because Simmons went for that double; it occurred because of that head-first slide. Managers need to fine ALL players who slide that way. Jason Heyward and Martin Prado previously suffered long-term problems after injuring themselves on head-first slides and, years ago, Rafael Furcal dislocated his shoulder and missed half the season for the same reason.
Graham
July 15th, 2012
9:35 am
Janish is not a Jack Wilson clone. Jack Wilson is now a tick above average defensively, but offers nothing at the plate. Janish is a truly elite defender with a +11.3 UZR, and has two useful offensive tools, he can walk and has a .154 iso so he has decent power. Sitting in the 8 hole for the next month he can actually be a useful piece, where as Redmond is a minor league FA after the season and apparently never was going to get a chance in Atlanta.
Warning track
July 15th, 2012
10:36 am
wwwwwww nuff’s @SS
Mikey
July 15th, 2012
10:59 am
For you football fans on this blog, a s/s with good range and a solid glove wins more games then a Pastornicky who proved he cannot field at this level.
Brady
July 15th, 2012
11:35 am
Frank Wren’s biggest goof of the year: sending Medlen to AAA to stretch out, then putting him back in the bullpen instead of in the rotation.
Cost us 2 wins…
GO BRAVES!
splendid splinter
July 15th, 2012
12:18 pm
Sorry – I don’t see the point in trading for a light hitting shortstop when the Braves have a light hitting shortstop in their system who started the season with the big club. Maybe this new guy is a little better defensively but it’s not like he is that much better. I still think FG is playing favorites and Pastor is not ont one of FG’s favorites – thus he won’t play and will probably be sent back to the minors next week. Bad trade when one considers Redmond could have been packaged with other players to obtain a front-line pitcher or a good bat for the bench.
alex
July 15th, 2012
9:24 pm
pastor’s bunt attempt on sat. was enough for me-goodbye…