5:16 pm July 14, 2012, by Chris Vivlamore
July 14th, 20125:22 pm
Money for nuthing and your chicks for free
July 14th, 20125:26 pm
I don’t likethis, I was hoping for Lowrie or Carroll or Scutaro.
Wren’s moves thius far, and my grades:
Signed Livan Hernandez (F)
Signed Chad Durbin (B+)
Hoover for Francisco (C-)
Signed Ben Sheets (TBD)
Redmond for Janish (C-)
Traded Drew Sutton for cash (F-)
Signed DJ Carrasco (D-)
Signed Felix Fie (B-)
2012 draft, overall (B+)
July 14th, 20125:29 pm
Thanks, Mike Y
I’m sure Frank will get your repost card signed by his mom and dad
July 14th, 20125:30 pm
Hoover for Francisco a C-?
Hoover had no room.
Your logic is flawed. Why in the hell would we get Marco?
July 14th, 20125:31 pm
.237/.332/.391 in AAA this year
How stupid do you people feel who type “fiiiiiiiiiiiiiiirst” and you’re actually not first…? You look like gigantic retards. Do you feel that way too?
July 14th, 20125:32 pm
How much confidence does this show having recalled Pastornicky to do this trade?
July 14th, 20125:33 pm
@ mike. Not sure why you’re not running the Braves… Oh yeah, cause you have no f n clue.
July 14th, 20125:35 pm
The only headline I wanna see is BRAVES TRADE RANDALL DELGADO, Constanza and Pastornicky and a bag of balls for Zach Greinke!!!! These Braves sort of feel like the Hawks of old……(pre…Ferry)! Let’s make a move and bring Greg Maddux here again….it worked before!
Texas Braves Fan
July 14th, 20125:36 pm
Where is Mike wrong?
I would’ve liked Lowrie or Scutaro too…but they would’ve cost too much considering we only need them to stop-gap while Simmons is on the DL, granted they’d be great role players and better than Wilson…we need to re-sign Bourn and add some pitching.
July 14th, 20125:37 pm
Oh yeah, lets go get Hannrahan too!!! Pirates are pretenders anyway….FLUKE
Screwed up umpiring.
July 14th, 20125:38 pm
pretty underwhelming move, trading for a AAA guy that can’t hit; but really it’s just a short term fix & til Simmons gets back – I doubt Wren wanted to use all of his trade “chips” for this unforseen blip on the radar when he’s likely still looking for pitching and maybe a bench bat. Nothing to get excited about but also nothing to get pissed about.
July 14th, 20125:41 pm
wren for president.
July 14th, 20125:42 pm
and how many games in the next six weeks?
July 14th, 20125:43 pm
Booooo! Thumbs down.
July 14th, 20125:44 pm
@yeaaaa, Hoover currently has an ERA of 3.00 and a WHIP of 1.06 for the Cincy pen. Francisco is a AAAA player, out of options, we can’t send him down to AAA where he should be to be getting AB’s.
Hoover could be a contributing pitcher in our pen.
I’d prefer Scutaro or Lowrie or Carroll to Jack Wilson. And I’d sure prefer Lowrie, long term, to Francisco.
Durbin has been the 2nd or 3rd best guy in the bullpen………….!
July 14th, 20125:45 pm
The Braves just need a def ss to fill in for Simmons while he’s on the dl. Didn’t really cost much so won’t hurt. Do hope we can land Greinke though……We need the young Nats to go on a losing streak!!!
July 14th, 20125:48 pm
Baseball experts…. alive and operating (?) on the blogs… you’d think they’d be out doing what scouts do… actually go see and use their experienced (?) minds to determine what is or is not best for “their” team…. LOL! what a bunch of knuckleheads…
July 14th, 20125:50 pm
I’m still mad at A. Simmons for going for that double. The pitcher was coming up behind you with two outs…it wasn’t worth it rookie. Having said that, get well and GET BACK soon.
Janish is a glove. Period. He was a decent hitter in college, but is overmatched in the majors. He is a lesser-fielding version of Jack Wilson.
For my money I would rather have Pastornicky starting, at least he can provide a spark on offense every now and then.
Redmond was nothign but organizational depth for the Braves. It would take 4-5 starters getting hurt for him to get intot he MLB rotation. He would never amount to more than a middle reliever for the Braves. Solid pitcher, but more like a 5th starter at best in MLB.
Umpires got the play right a while ago – one ump called it a catch and Prado had to go back to 1st based on that, second ump correctly called it a trap. Batter safe, and runner (Prado) awarded 2nd on wrong call by the other ump. Simple. Announcers OTL.
Here we go again. Hanson is a master at getting a lead then giving it back up the next half inning. I wish we would trade Tommy Hanson for Greinke.
July 14th, 20125:51 pm
Carroll might’ve been doable since he’s a backup and the Twins are out of it, but Lowrie and Scutaro are major league starters. Even if their teams are conceding the season, they’re not likely to trade MLB starters for minor league depth, and the Braves don’t want to give up a big price for a guy who’d be a starter for a month, then would be bench depth.
I’m kind of wondering if the Braves aren’t thinking about leaving Prado at SS and platooning Diaz and Hinske.
Looks like a poor trade.If he was major league talent why was he not on their roster?Oh well it is only 4 weeks, right?We need bench help.
Lobosolo, did you really do your own lobotomy, solo?
July 14th, 20125:52 pm
Nothing for nothing? Not a bad move.
Braves fans don’t cease to amaze me. Did you really think that Atlanta was going to deal for Lowrie, Carroll or Scutaro? They have Andrelton Simmons on the DL. He will start for many years for the Braves. You also have a veteran in Jack Wilson to back him up. Plus, much of the Braves’ minor league talent is at shortstop. They don’t need Lowrie, Carroll or Scutaro. I think Paul Janish can be a utility infielder and they also have Tyler Pastornicky learning the craft of a utility player in the minors. Every trade can’t be for Michael Bourn or Zack Greinke. Jeeesh!
Lobosolo, with your vast knowledge we only need to wait for your comments.
Durbin has been rock solid. Anyone not liking that signing is still stuck in April when he was a little shaky due to lack of spring training action. Since April he has been as good as you could ask for .. so wake up.
As for those asking for Lowrie or Scutaro, you would have to give up at least one top-tier prospect most likely and neither of those guys are worth that for a 6 week rental. so please, stop talking about them. They would cost us far more than they would be worth.
Just let Tyler play until Simmons gets back and move forward.. All this is nonsense.
July 14th, 20125:53 pm
Tommy Hanson came up with a lot of potential but he has never lived up to that potential. Some times I wonder if thus is as good as he is going to get.
July 14th, 20125:54 pm
What the heck
To me, we are entering the time of year when guys from other teams that were starters can be back-ups, on a playoff team. Lowrie would be under team control thru 2014, could have been our starting 3B next year.
July 14th, 20125:55 pm
He’ll be replacement level, all Braves need right now. http://wp.me/p2lqJ1-b4
July 14th, 20125:56 pm
His stats look a lot like his oder twin Jack Wilson…..
Trade a pitcher.This is what this team needs most.”pitching,pitching.Pastornicky could fill in for 3 weeks.The Reds love to see Braves coming to trade.
July 14th, 20125:58 pm
kerry .. People were saying far worse about Halladay, Johnson and Verlander. I think they turned it around all right. Give Tommy a little more time.
Tie game. Well, at least Tommy Hanson can’t get a win. He doesn’t deserve one.
July 14th, 20125:59 pm
You have to remember guys that to get Lowrie or anyone else, you have to have a team willing to trade him…………just cause we want him doesn’t automatically mean his team will trade him and/or if they will, what is the asking price?
Maybe Janish is a stop gap to Andrelton getting back and nothing more….but we lose Redmond….
Steve, sick of seeing that joker give back leads all the time. That’s what he usually does. He will never be on the level of Halladay or Verlander.
July 14th, 20126:00 pm
Well Looks like were gonna lose this game
July 14th, 20126:01 pm
BTW our big problem is NOT SS………….it’s on the mound….last night Huddie was weak and today Hanson again hits his 6th inning wall…..
And those are our 1-2 arms ??????
Yeah, they can be backups on a playoff team, but that doesn’t mean their current teams are going to give the away without expecting anything in return.
Lowrie isn’t going to replace Chipper’s offense. Hopefully the Braves can move Prado in and find a LF who will provide similar offensive production to Chipper.
July 14th, 20126:02 pm
You’re right truth, Hanson hits that 6th inning wall way too much for a pitcher that’s suppose to be a top 2 starter. The thing is he is not a top 2 starter. More like a 3rd guy.
And who even dared hope Hanson would be on the level of Halliday or Verlander ???? Not even close…………
I’d settle for Tommy Hanson making it to the 7th just like he is….
July 14th, 20126:04 pm
The problem with the Braves is they have no ace in the starting rotation. They are all 3rd to 5th starter material.
Around The Horn
July 14th, 20126:06 pm
A STUPID TRADE
Sometimes you have to wonder if Frank Wren and the Braves management team knows what they’re doing.
Frank has traded for a Jack Wilson clone.
What’s the advantage???
The Braves are holding on to all of this supposed young pitching talent when they could go get a proven starter with it. Teheran or Delgado may just turn out like another Tommy Hanson who has unrealized potential.
First– I wanted Lowrie.
Ok, for the money and reason we getting Paul Janish this is perfect. He has a great glove and thats what Braves need. He has played 3b and 2b but not much. He also pitched 2 inning in ML. He was hurt in 2011 when hit on wrist while playing with Reds. I usually don’t agree with Wren but I’ll give Janish a chance. I believe he will be received well by team. This probably means Wilson will be put on waivers.
Now let get a SP thats damn good.
July 14th, 20126:07 pm
MikeY – you forgot Francisco F F F
July 14th, 20126:08 pm
Durban not rock solid today. Luis Avilan strikes out Ike Davis, in his first major league appearance. Way to go, kid.
Zac in Tempe
Glad to see that Redmond might get a chance to pitch at the Major League level. Hope the same for Constanza. Hate to see guys get bottled up when they seem to have a lot of talent.
July 14th, 20126:11 pm
kerryb, give it a rest. Hanson is 10-5 with a decent ERA, pretty decent. And, Verlander was just outstanding in the All Star game. Ever hear of a pitcher with a perfect record? Didn’t think so.
July 14th, 20126:13 pm
This is a typical move.Guy is batting .237 !!!!!!!
July 14th, 20126:16 pm
Under the circumstances, Janish is a decent pickup. And, hopefully, Redmond will get the chance he would have never gotten in Atlanta.
Some of these posts are ridiculous. Their expectations are not realistic and probably say a lot about just how little they really know about baseball.
July 14th, 20126:19 pm
wren for president
July 14th, 20126:24 pm
don, thank you. You hit the nail on the head.
wren nominates fredi g for his running mate
July 14th, 20126:26 pm
The problem is those proven starters cost a lot more money than the young talent. You have to give at least some young talent a chance because no team can afford to fill their roster with experienced veterans. Even teams like the Yankees and the Red Sox give prospects a chance.
Now, part of the problem is we’re paying Lowe ace money from Wren’s 1st attempt to rebuild the rotation.
To me, the problem that might force the Braves to make a decision about Tommy is that he’s only a couple of years from becoming a free agent. If they think he’s going to demand a contract that’s worth more than what he provides, then they should probably trade him to get some value for him instead of letting him walk.
Blue ridge Brave
July 14th, 20126:34 pm
Good trade im a big fan of janish. He plays his butt off and is a fill in only no reason to go get to much and give up trade chips we will need in a bigger trade.
July 14th, 20126:36 pm
I thought we were getting Jeter.
July 14th, 20126:42 pm
Typical Franki Wren, “how stupid can you be / do everything on the cheap”…The Braves go get a AAA shortstop, who can’t even hit at AAA. Tyler P. is already available. Franki Wren, idiot that he is, keeps his crown as the dumbest GM in baseball. He brought the title from Baltimore, and wears it proudly in Atlanta.
July 14th, 20126:43 pm
Fredi Gonzo…if it were Jeter then it would be a defensive downgrade. Most overrated player in the history of MLB. Even the players say that. He gets more cheap hits and gift ones from the scorekeepers in NY than you can shake a stick at.
July 14th, 20126:51 pm
Look at all the armchair GM’s show up. If only all these folks with years of MLB experience would listen to them we’d win 200 games a year.
July 14th, 20126:55 pm
@ Steve: Solid analysis of the SS situation. My thinking is that the Braves’ brass traded for this new guy to provide backup for Tyler until Andrelton comes back. Maybe in the meantime, Tyler finds his stride. Then, when AS comes back, Tyler becomes the utility IF that he’s been getting prepped at Gwinnett for. IF (and I do mean “IF”) the Braves manage to get in the playoffs, depth in the IF will be most helpful. I like this move. The Braves needed temporary, emergency depth at SS and they got it.
I guess Frank is now admitting he made a mistake when he not only traded for Jack Wilson in August of 2011 but also resigned him for the Braves backup duties this season.
Wilson’s injury was classified as day to day, nothing long term. He could have been back in a few days.
But I guess Frank felt he had to make another trade!
I would have preferred giving Pastornicky more major league playing time during the next six weeks. His bat is much better than that of Janish and team won early on with his defense.
July 14th, 20126:58 pm
I know I am in the bottom 4 for GM’s but cmon guys, I am the one that just pulled a major coup in getting a 237 minor league shortstop, when we got T-past who is really not that bad and better offensively and keep in mind I am also the one who gave Chad durbin 900,000 and also signed Scott Proctor. FML Scheurholtz is going to fire me after this year because most fans could do my job better. Thank god liberty media doesnt care, or I wouldve never got the job to begin with. And I started to wonder why Atlanta fans do come out to the park like the big markets. I thought it was the humidity but really its just me
July 14th, 20127:06 pm
You’ve got to pinch run for Maccann. He’s already cost one run today on the bases,
July 14th, 20127:10 pm
Can’t help but wonder: What in the hell did Pastornicky do in his BRIEF stint in ATL earlier this year to be relegated to persona non grata?
Keylargo, you are a moron, Take out a silver slugger catcher down 2 with another AB still to come from him. Thank god you arent the coach
July 14th, 20127:15 pm
T-past, cant get an F n sac bunt down, SS need to do that, but hell I wouldve said let the kid hit
July 14th, 20127:22 pm
When are we gonna be serious about winning? Before we gave up on Redmond I would like to have seen him pitch in the bigs. He has been solid in the minors. He has to pitch better than some of the mess I have seen this year. If you are gonna hit around. 200 you had better field like Ozzie Smith IMHO. Hopefully Wilson or Simmons will put on their big boy britches and play hurt. And btw go get a pitcher and a stud bat. Spend some stinking money. Didnt Liberty just win like 750 million in a law suit. Dang hook the Bravos up with about 20 mill
July 14th, 20127:33 pm
A poor man’s Jack Wilson.Younger version.
On that double that Uggla hit, McCann not getting to third changed the whole course of this inning. Announcer.
It was a single because McCann could not make third. Just a liability on the bases.
Looks a whole lot more like you’re the moron Frank Wren. You’ve been hanging around a few months acting like a a fool. I’ve been on this blog 6 or 7 years and following baseball 7 times that many years. You act like an idiot, expect to be called one.
July 14th, 20127:44 pm
Great win boys!!! Hitters 1, 2, and 3 get it done!!
Mets R Best
July 14th, 20127:48 pm
We were robbed! I’d say call the cops but we are in Atlanta. What a rip off in the 5th inning! And then our manager thrown out!
The Mighty Mets were ambushed and hijacked in Atlanta.
July 14th, 20127:53 pm
Don’t go to Atlanta if you want a fair game.
i love the Mutts Bullpen
July 14th, 20127:55 pm
Might want to check out your bullpen guy ^
Ground Rule Double
July 14th, 20127:56 pm
Folks, did you not read the part where Redmond would have been a minor league free agent at the end of the year. He was 27. He wasn’t going to see the rotation in Atlanta.
We got a cheaper, younger Jack Wilson for a guy that was leaving in 3 months. Don’t understand the huberous.
This is a 6 week, at most, fill in for Simmons. I think this move made sense. And, he backs up a bunch more positions.
Alaska Braves Fan
July 14th, 20128:01 pm
About Frank Wren: Give the guy a quite limited budget and expect him to do two things. The first is to cobble together a good, winning MLB team by spending his money and other resources wisely, giving the Braves a shot to go to the playoffs. The second is to keep every ignoramus who thinks he understand both the sport and business of baseball ecstatically happy. (Well, I just made up that second one.)
So far during his tenure, despite serious setbacks no one could have foreseen, such as Simmons’s broken pinky, Wren has done a truly fine job with his first task. What does it take for you knuckleheads to understand that he cannot unilaterally manufacture deals that are beneficial only to the Braves with finite resources? Every purchase has a price, and he cannot afford anything and everything.
With regard to his second task, Wren has been less than successful, as would any smart baseball person – because that task is impossible of achievement! Those who cannot think through the process never will be pleased. It’s sort of like a very small child who wants what he wants and cannot accept the notion that the purpose of the universe is not just to keep him happy.
Fantastic game today!! How do those guys do it, with Wren holding them back like the ignoramuses believe he is doing? How exciting!
64 year Braves fan
July 14th, 20128:04 pm
Fredi Got lucky that Bourne, Prado & Heywood bailed him out. What the hell was he trying to get Pastor to bunt with 2 strikes on him? Hit away! A good bunt would have gotten the fleet footed McCann out at 3rd anyway. And let’s get rid of Francisco. Bring up Costanza or Durango. Also never let Hanson start a 6th inning. Five is his limit.
July 14th, 20128:05 pm
Bourn: are we even negotiating for a long term deal or will settle on a draft pick? does he want to stay in Atlanta?
July 14th, 20128:10 pm
Frank Wren and former Hawks GM Rick Sund are the same person always keep things the same cheap Braves need to find there Danny Ferry someone who not afraid to take risk .
July 14th, 20128:11 pm
Of course, if the Braves management – Wren and Gonzalez – really were smart, they’d spend about $500,000,000 and get all the very most wonderfulest players EVER! Why, if need be, they could BORROW the money. Borrowing big always works out well, doesn’t it?
Naturally, an even smarter move would be to hire the wasted intellects that spend their time producing such incisive – if quite ignorant – critiques of their every move. I’m sure they would do soooooo much better!
July 14th, 20128:14 pm
Unless you know for a fact that Wren had not tried to swing a deal with multiple teams then to say he didn’t go after Lowrie and others is simply idiotic. I am pretty confident that the Reds is not the only team that Wren tried to swing a deal with. I have read in multiple places that the Braves have reached out to sign Bourn but Boras has said thanks but no thanks and is going to test the waters. Another words, have him sign with the Nationals along with a lot of his clients.
July 14th, 20128:16 pm
I hope you guys all realize there is 75 games left in the season. Simmons is expected to be out between 4-6 weeks. That calculates to between 25-36 games. The season can be lost by the time he gets back. I am hoping for 4 weeks not 6. If Janish is to strenghten the bench or back up Pastor well, all I can say is I am glad we didnt need Redmond.
July 14th, 20128:24 pm
gosh knows we have more GM’S..in here than at the winter baseball meetings….or maybe they are imposters
July 14th, 20128:25 pm
kral: I noticed that too. The brainpower is immense!
Coach (2012 Fredi's Beisbol Fandango)
July 14th, 20128:27 pm
Lot of hot air about this little trade, much to do about a small transaction that needed to be done.
July 14th, 20128:28 pm
it happens almost every night ABF…but none seem to ever get hired
Solid move considering the emergency circumstances. Our top flight SS is out for 4-6 weeks. Lose his bat, lose his glove. So we stick in Jack Wilson. No bat, great glove. He goes down, we bring up Pastornicky. Modest bat, horrid glove. A defensive liability at that position can kill the team, and his first several weeks in the bigs proved that. Probably lost us 3 or 4 games during his tenure. So what does Wren do? Dumps a AAA pitcher out of options who we’d lose after the season anyway, and picks up a talented defensive SS to stand in until Simmons gets back in the lineup. Basically a no lose situation for the Braves, one that allows us to continue to ply a trade for a marquee starting pitcher. You guys are way too hard on Wren.
To those who don’t like the trade, why would you trade for an established shortstop that is only gonna start for 4 to 5 weeks? You’re not seeing the big picture. FW has alot more going on when it comes to trades. Whether or not any trades happen will depend on what is asked for in return. I believe Wren may give a little more talent from the minors, depending on who is coming to Atlanta. Another thing, NO ONE on here has the right to bitch and moan unless you’re the one picking up the tab on who’s coming to Atlanta!! The team has a budget it has to follow.
July 14th, 20128:32 pm
UPGRAYEDD and luvthosedawgs68: You two are right on target. I second your thoughts, for what that’s worth.
P. Bull Terrier
July 14th, 20128:34 pm
kerryb – Which pitcher do you want?
Pitcher A -
Age 22: 8-7, 3.22, 82K
Age 23: 4-7, 10.64, 44K
Age 24: 5-3, 3.16, 96K
Pitcher B -
Age 22: 10-4, 2.89, 116K
Age 23: 10-11. 3.33, 173K
Age 24: 11-7, 3.60, 107K
Pitcher A is Roy Halladay (This year: 4-5, 3.98, 56K)
Pitcher B is Tommy Hanson (This year: 10-5, 3.71, 93K)
There is no reason to think Hanson can’t be as good as Halladay has been. In fact, Hanson looks better at this stage in his career than Halladay looked at a similar age and this season Hanson is outperforming Halladay. Verlander is a different story, but just because Hanson hasn’t matched Verlander doesn’t mean he can’t be an ace for years to come.
July 14th, 20128:36 pm
Mr DODO head did a little good,but not enough. Give him 3 cookies and 2 glasses of milk. C’mon DODO head get Greinke and Cody Ross before they are gone. Wake up DODO head
July 14th, 20128:37 pm
Simmons is going to be in a cast for 4 weeks so no way he can come back in 4 weeks. 6 weeks is probably when he will go on rehab and back a little after that in early september.
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