Really, a Horrible job done by Karros and Gene (is it Gene?) on breaking down and explaining to their national tv audience what all REALLY happened on that play and over-turned call. Give big credit to the umps for overturning it and they were absolutely correct to put PRADO back on 2nd base as well. That was some poor broadcasting, I’m afraid.
So Dickey won’t be back. So that’s twice this season he’s gone 5 or fewer vs. Braves while giving up 16 hits and 13 runs in 9-1/3 innings of those two games.
Hanson just refuses to string together two good innings in a row while the Braves pitching staff is incapable of keeping the opposition off the board after scoring runs. Pretty sorry outing for Hanson today.
Okay – Diaz catches that ball in left, Prado does – Hinske is hurting us defensively. And now Hanson is gone. Damn – need better bench players. I hate to be a hater, but…our replacements are such a let down compared to the starters it’s scary.
No matter what the bats do for Hanson he just cannot take the momentum to go out and get 3 outs with out allowing a runner. The guy has the potential to be an Ace, but this is so frustrating.
I am worried about Hanson. His lack of velocity in addition to his declining strike out rate, rising walk and home run rates paint a troubling picture for the future.
I greatly lament the dearth of quality color commentators currently working in major league baseball, especially when it comes to the national broadcasts.
Problem is, most great defenders off the bench can’t hit, and most hitters off the bench can’t field (or they’d be starters) Unless you have the $$$ to spend $15mill+ on your bench, you are pretty much gonna have these issues
OK…what if the umps had called the fly ball “trapped” & Prado stopped at 2B…but after consulting for 2 or 3 minutes…decided he made the catch. Would it be a double play…or could they “make up” another rule…where, since they signaled “safe”…Prado would be allowed to wander back to 1B…during the dead ball…and the batter would be out ?
Unless Hanson has 10 Ks he’s usually shaky or ineffective. Curveball looks so different from the fastball it’s easy to read and it’s easy to figure out why lefties are blowing him away.
NickB – I agree. For a backup, I’d rather have defense. With the hitting potential of our starting eight – one or possibly two missing starters can be covered up. The pitching right now really needs the defensive help – and they ain’t gettin’ any help.
Kinda surprised the announcers didn’t get why Prado was safe. Only reason he was “tagged” at first was because the umpire blew the call. If the umpire gets it right Prado would have been at 2nd no problems. Dickey gave up 3 hits and the lead. The short and end of it. Its his fault he gave up those runs not a bad call from the umps.
How many balks are there gonna be next year when that stupid fake to 3rd and look at 1B will not be allowed? I can’t wait for that stupid play to go away.
Typical Hanson and Hudson performances. The team gives Hudson a 5 run lead and he blows it, they give the head case Hanson a 2 run lead in the 5th, and what does this clown do? He gives it right back. Hanson is so out of shape, the guy can’t pitch if it is over 80, and even then he wilts after 5 or 6 innings. Anybody that thinks this pathetic pitching staff will get this team to the playoffs is dreaming.. The braves have no starting pitcher that the team can count on, and Hudson and Hanson or 4th or 5th starter talent and nothing more. The problem for the braves is that these losers are the #1 and #2 starters on a staff that has an E.R.A. of 4.00. Only 4 more weeks until football season. Thank God!!!
The problem is that by 6th inning he’s thrown 40-50-60 curves and it’s hard to keep rolling off crisp curve balls one after another. Plus the hitters have had 2 times to see it .
NickB…but what if he actually caught the ball…& say Prado was obviously gonna be doubled up…if they had originally got the call “right”…in my “situation”…would they still allow Prado to go back to 1B…bet they wouldn’t…I’m guessin’ there is a “Special Rule”…that allows umps to just make up a decision…based on what they think is “fair” in certain situations.
Tommy Hanson is mediocre garbage and he deserved to be Booed today.
Gas Can Durbin did not help either and once again a pathetic garbageperformance by a Braves SP.
Hanson has to go, what a POS piece of crap. Durbin did not help today but Hanson got what he deserved, he pitched a second rate POS game.
Its games like this that is why a part of the ATL Braves fan base does not give the love for Hanson. Sort of a Joe Johnson of Braves pitchers, he will never take us anywhere.
Hey, we got Sheets now, we’re gonna be just fine..and in the bullpen, we’ll have ‘Everyday Jonny’ and the ‘Great Aussie’ back soon enough… sets up just fine.
Wren is just waiting on a team he can rip off instead of diving in there and getting this team a pretty desperate need. Trying to be savvy all the time.
Tommy Hanson had 1 out in the 6th inning with a two run lead. No excuse in letting that lead slip away, let alone trail now. This team has serious pitching problems and problems with maintaining momentum after scoring runs.
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GTI in Brooklyn
July 14th, 2012
5:49 pm
Really, a Horrible job done by Karros and Gene (is it Gene?) on breaking down and explaining to their national tv audience what all REALLY happened on that play and over-turned call. Give big credit to the umps for overturning it and they were absolutely correct to put PRADO back on 2nd base as well. That was some poor broadcasting, I’m afraid.
David O'Brien
July 14th, 2012
5:49 pm
So Dickey won’t be back. So that’s twice this season he’s gone 5 or fewer vs. Braves while giving up 16 hits and 13 runs in 9-1/3 innings of those two games.
(Rob from SC)
July 14th, 2012
5:49 pm
Hanson is a 5 inning pitcher. I like the kid, but it’s the truth
ijonathan
July 14th, 2012
5:50 pm
Wonder what the combined range factor is today for our 2B and LF?
njbraves
July 14th, 2012
5:50 pm
Hanson sucks. I’ve for no confidence in this guy.
(Rob from SC)
July 14th, 2012
5:50 pm
F*** Hanson today. Everything offspeed
BFChris27
July 14th, 2012
5:50 pm
Come on Durbinator!!!!!!!!
bravesgrl4life
July 14th, 2012
5:50 pm
Get Tommy outta there. He’s doing his best to give it back to the Mutts.
Tomahawkin
July 14th, 2012
5:50 pm
Big Red Is not an ACE either, for all the Kool Aid Drinkers who think he can be a shutdown starter!
Rick
July 14th, 2012
5:50 pm
Ouch. That really wasn’t a bad pitch.
Tomahawk Mafia
July 14th, 2012
5:50 pm
Hanson just refuses to string together two good innings in a row while the Braves pitching staff is incapable of keeping the opposition off the board after scoring runs. Pretty sorry outing for Hanson today.
The A Bomb
July 14th, 2012
5:51 pm
And as usual, Dumb and Dumber in the dugout.
Pace
July 14th, 2012
5:51 pm
Okay – Diaz catches that ball in left, Prado does – Hinske is hurting us defensively. And now Hanson is gone. Damn – need better bench players. I hate to be a hater, but…our replacements are such a let down compared to the starters it’s scary.
sid
July 14th, 2012
5:51 pm
well that’s 2 leads you’ve blown today Hansen.
njbraves
July 14th, 2012
5:51 pm
Tommy throws way too many breaking balls these days.
tmc
July 14th, 2012
5:52 pm
another mediocre performance by Hanson.
VaBravesFan
July 14th, 2012
5:52 pm
No matter what the bats do for Hanson he just cannot take the momentum to go out and get 3 outs with out allowing a runner. The guy has the potential to be an Ace, but this is so frustrating.
Tomahawk Mafia
July 14th, 2012
5:52 pm
I am worried about Hanson. His lack of velocity in addition to his declining strike out rate, rising walk and home run rates paint a troubling picture for the future.
tony austin
July 14th, 2012
5:52 pm
How far can this team possibly expect to go if they can’t depend on Hudson or Homer Hanson?
SOS Braves
July 14th, 2012
5:53 pm
As usual Hanson sux.
Justin
July 14th, 2012
5:53 pm
No homer Durbin lets get the DP
njbraves
July 14th, 2012
5:53 pm
The loss of Beachy hurts more and more every day.
BFChris27
July 14th, 2012
5:53 pm
* Janish, 29, has three arbitration-eligible seasons before he can become a free agent.
That’s actually a plus with this acquisition. If he does good, he’s a solid bench option for at least the next three seasons.
GTI in Brooklyn
July 14th, 2012
5:53 pm
I greatly lament the dearth of quality color commentators currently working in major league baseball, especially when it comes to the national broadcasts.
NickB
July 14th, 2012
5:53 pm
Problem is, most great defenders off the bench can’t hit, and most hitters off the bench can’t field (or they’d be starters) Unless you have the $$$ to spend $15mill+ on your bench, you are pretty much gonna have these issues
Fresh Meat
July 14th, 2012
5:54 pm
OK…what if the umps had called the fly ball “trapped” & Prado stopped at 2B…but after consulting for 2 or 3 minutes…decided he made the catch. Would it be a double play…or could they “make up” another rule…where, since they signaled “safe”…Prado would be allowed to wander back to 1B…during the dead ball…and the batter would be out ?
VaBravesFan
July 14th, 2012
5:54 pm
Hanson really needs to step it up.
The A Bomb
July 14th, 2012
5:54 pm
Unless Hanson has 10 Ks he’s usually shaky or ineffective. Curveball looks so different from the fastball it’s easy to read and it’s easy to figure out why lefties are blowing him away.
njbraves
July 14th, 2012
5:54 pm
These two idiots on FOX are so bad. Why is it so hard to understand that play??
Mitchell
July 14th, 2012
5:55 pm
What the F is Chad Durbin doing in the game in 6th inning?!
Come on Tommy.
It’s the Mets!
We got five runs on Dickey and the Mets have four runs?
What is that?
monty
July 14th, 2012
5:55 pm
Tommy (can’t go 6) Hanson
TBbravesfan
July 14th, 2012
5:55 pm
not many laughers for us
Pace
July 14th, 2012
5:55 pm
NickB – I agree. For a backup, I’d rather have defense. With the hitting potential of our starting eight – one or possibly two missing starters can be covered up. The pitching right now really needs the defensive help – and they ain’t gettin’ any help.
kevkat
July 14th, 2012
5:55 pm
And Hanson will give the some sorry quotes after the game I’m sure…he’s pathetically inconsistent..
Bravefaninok
July 14th, 2012
5:55 pm
SOS Braves
July 14th, 2012
5:53 pm
As usual Hanson sux.
10-5 going into todays game….yupp he sucks.
Jake W.
July 14th, 2012
5:55 pm
Kinda surprised the announcers didn’t get why Prado was safe. Only reason he was “tagged” at first was because the umpire blew the call. If the umpire gets it right Prado would have been at 2nd no problems. Dickey gave up 3 hits and the lead. The short and end of it. Its his fault he gave up those runs not a bad call from the umps.
Jasons Shrinking Waist
July 14th, 2012
5:55 pm
ANYTIME YOU GIVE HANSON A LEAD HE BLOWS IT
EVERY FREAKIN TIME
LAG
July 14th, 2012
5:55 pm
(Rob from SC) – Hanson is a 5 inning pitcher. I like the kid, but it’s the truth
11 of his 19 starts this year have gone 6 or longer, 7 of which have gone 7 or longer.
wetzoodirt
July 14th, 2012
5:56 pm
Smh hanson and that stupid throwing motion
gene garbage
July 14th, 2012
5:56 pm
Nats will fold, won’t handle the pressure..
tmc
July 14th, 2012
5:56 pm
How many balks are there gonna be next year when that stupid fake to 3rd and look at 1B will not be allowed? I can’t wait for that stupid play to go away.
Tomahawkin
July 14th, 2012
5:56 pm
Come On Durbinator! I still dont trust the Guy.
ijonathan
July 14th, 2012
5:56 pm
Apparently the umps “allowed” the braves to get a couple of runs.
bravesgrl4life
July 14th, 2012
5:56 pm
Durbin
NickB
July 14th, 2012
5:56 pm
Fresh Meat
I have seen that very thing you described happen, and yes they sent the runner back to first and the batter was out
and crap the game is tied
Preston Hannatized
July 14th, 2012
5:56 pm
Greg Myers almost makes me wistful for the days of Dick Stockton.
Jasons Shrinking Waist
July 14th, 2012
5:56 pm
Getting Janish for Redmond was a good move
BFChris27
July 14th, 2012
5:56 pm
Gonna be a long game.
Jaded Braves Fan
July 14th, 2012
5:56 pm
Just getting an out is such a struggle against these guys. They own our pitching.
TNScott
July 14th, 2012
5:57 pm
Went back to the same location.
(Rob from SC)
July 14th, 2012
5:57 pm
According to fangraphs, Hanson only throws his fastball 54% of the time. Seems low too me
VaBravesFan
July 14th, 2012
5:57 pm
HAHA what a joke.
Tomahawk Mafia
July 14th, 2012
5:57 pm
Dang. Hanson blows two leads of two runs today. That is inexcusable, plus Durbin allowing an RBI single with two strikes is irritating as well.
Jake W.
July 14th, 2012
5:57 pm
These starters aren’t really helping out our weaker pen. Post all-star break rustiness I suppose. Just win the game.
njbraves
July 14th, 2012
5:57 pm
Braves two best pitchers get smacked by a light hitting Mets team….awesome.
TNScott
July 14th, 2012
5:57 pm
Way to give back a lead in one out.
ChattTownBrian
July 14th, 2012
5:58 pm
Hanson’s face is bloated like an alcoholics.
Sons of Rick Matula
July 14th, 2012
5:58 pm
Hanson is declining … The Braves pitching is coming unraveled. McDowell has to take some of the flack for this staff in decline.
TBbravesfan
July 14th, 2012
5:58 pm
let’s don’t stop there give um some more boys.
VaBravesFan
July 14th, 2012
5:58 pm
Offense gives Hanson 5 runs and it’s still not good enough.
1991 braves
July 14th, 2012
5:59 pm
Typical Hanson and Hudson performances. The team gives Hudson a 5 run lead and he blows it, they give the head case Hanson a 2 run lead in the 5th, and what does this clown do? He gives it right back. Hanson is so out of shape, the guy can’t pitch if it is over 80, and even then he wilts after 5 or 6 innings. Anybody that thinks this pathetic pitching staff will get this team to the playoffs is dreaming.. The braves have no starting pitcher that the team can count on, and Hudson and Hanson or 4th or 5th starter talent and nothing more. The problem for the braves is that these losers are the #1 and #2 starters on a staff that has an E.R.A. of 4.00. Only 4 more weeks until football season. Thank God!!!
gene garbage
July 14th, 2012
5:59 pm
Remember when Durbin gave up a HR in every outing he had to start the season?
SOS Braves
July 14th, 2012
5:59 pm
Today’s loss is on HANSON!!!!!!!!!!
bravesgrl4life
July 14th, 2012
5:59 pm
Crap, crap crap
TNScott
July 14th, 2012
5:59 pm
JUST UNBELIEVABLE!!!!!
monty
July 14th, 2012
5:59 pm
The problem is that by 6th inning he’s thrown 40-50-60 curves and it’s hard to keep rolling off crisp curve balls one after another. Plus the hitters have had 2 times to see it .
kevkat
July 14th, 2012
5:59 pm
Well, what else is on today…
Sons of Rick Matula
July 14th, 2012
5:59 pm
Hinske plays left field like he is carrying a piano.
Tomahawk Mafia
July 14th, 2012
5:59 pm
Ridiculous. Now Durbin is imploding. Braves blow leads way too frequently.
tony austin
July 14th, 2012
5:59 pm
I sure do miss the days when the Braves scored 5 runs that you could go about the ret of your without worrying if they could hold the lead.
njbraves
July 14th, 2012
5:59 pm
Another scrub…another run. Pathetic.
Mitchell
July 14th, 2012
6:00 pm
Come on.
5-5?
This is torture. I have to find out about the Mets tying the game on ESPN.com?
How did I know we would suck today.
I’m sorry. I’ll try to stop venting now.
Haven’t been able to actually watch a game in weeks.
VaBravesFan
July 14th, 2012
6:00 pm
You can chalk this one up. Our pitching is horrible. I will be stunned if we can manage to make the playoffs with this pitching.
gene garbage
July 14th, 2012
6:00 pm
light hitting Mets team? wow. just wow.
sid
July 14th, 2012
6:00 pm
unless this team gets some better Starters they ain’t going anywhere. Hanson, Hudson etc are not getting it done.
JC Brave
July 14th, 2012
6:00 pm
I love it!!!
Great job by Tommy Hanson today against the mighty Mets!!!
Pace
July 14th, 2012
6:00 pm
Wow – just piss poor defense and pitching. Don’t know what else to say.
Jaded Braves Fan
July 14th, 2012
6:00 pm
Durbin is awful, but Hanson once again didn’t get the job done. The pitching staff on this team is just a mess.
ChattTownBrian
July 14th, 2012
6:01 pm
What is Wren waiting on? The team needs a starter and a bullpen arm now.
ijonathan
July 14th, 2012
6:01 pm
wow these umps blow.
gene garbage
July 14th, 2012
6:01 pm
MLB umpires are horrible!
Pace
July 14th, 2012
6:01 pm
Strike two wasn’t , strike three WAS
njbraves
July 14th, 2012
6:01 pm
Too many slow curves for Tommy.
ijonathan
July 14th, 2012
6:02 pm
Wright paying homage to Dan Uggla today.
Fresh Meat
July 14th, 2012
6:02 pm
NickB…but what if he actually caught the ball…& say Prado was obviously gonna be doubled up…if they had originally got the call “right”…in my “situation”…would they still allow Prado to go back to 1B…bet they wouldn’t…I’m guessin’ there is a “Special Rule”…that allows umps to just make up a decision…based on what they think is “fair” in certain situations.
Mitchell
July 14th, 2012
6:02 pm
6-5.
Weren’t the Mets supposed to not have a prayer against the rest of the division this year?
Guess they didn’t get the memo.
Disgusted
July 14th, 2012
6:02 pm
Tommy Hanson is mediocre garbage and he deserved to be Booed today.
Gas Can Durbin did not help either and once again a pathetic garbageperformance by a Braves SP.
Hanson has to go, what a POS piece of crap. Durbin did not help today but Hanson got what he deserved, he pitched a second rate POS game.
Its games like this that is why a part of the ATL Braves fan base does not give the love for Hanson. Sort of a Joe Johnson of Braves pitchers, he will never take us anywhere.
bravesgrl4life
July 14th, 2012
6:02 pm
Could we at least put Matt Diaz in left? He isn’t as heavy as Hinske and might be able to get to some balls a little better.
ijonathan
July 14th, 2012
6:02 pm
The problem isn’t too many slow curves for Tommy…the problem is too many slow fastballs.
The A Bomb
July 14th, 2012
6:03 pm
Fredi with the “MF” on the mound?
gene garbage
July 14th, 2012
6:03 pm
Hey, we got Sheets now, we’re gonna be just fine..and in the bullpen, we’ll have ‘Everyday Jonny’ and the ‘Great Aussie’ back soon enough… sets up just fine.
Tomahawkin
July 14th, 2012
6:03 pm
Gas Can Durbin Can NOT Be trusted in big Games in the September! Fredi has overused him
Come On New Guy!
tony austin
July 14th, 2012
6:03 pm
With FW’s track record this season I wouldn’t hold my breath for Dempster, Garza, Grienke or even Loriano.
Sons of Rick Matula
July 14th, 2012
6:04 pm
Fredi is working up a nasty sweat making these pitching changes. Or, he’s been doing backflips waiting on the arrival of Paul Janish.
ChattTownBrian
July 14th, 2012
6:04 pm
Wren is just waiting on a team he can rip off instead of diving in there and getting this team a pretty desperate need. Trying to be savvy all the time.
njbraves
July 14th, 2012
6:04 pm
gene garbage…You think the Mets are a big offensive team? Really? After Wright, who scares you on the Mets?
Tomahawk Mafia
July 14th, 2012
6:04 pm
Tommy Hanson had 1 out in the 6th inning with a two run lead. No excuse in letting that lead slip away, let alone trail now. This team has serious pitching problems and problems with maintaining momentum after scoring runs.
LAG
July 14th, 2012
6:04 pm
Is this Avilan’s Braves debut?
gene garbage
July 14th, 2012
6:05 pm
yeah, but Diaz has to windup before he ever gets rid of the ball..he actually looks just like Hanson when he throws…
lee
July 14th, 2012
6:05 pm
This has to be the worst umpire crew I have ever seen and I’ve seen some awful ones.