Look, don’t fall in love with JJ all over again. The success he’s had since returning can be attributed to luck as much as anything else. The other night he threw two or three fastballs that hit 90 or more, and that was it. He threw change ups on 4 out of 5 pitches, at least, and missed his target so many times that even the Philly batters couldn’t believe it, or handle em.
SouthGABrave, you’re more or less making this team the Phillies, except worse. Older, slower, and more prone to breakdowns for one run this year? You don’t trade that much of your young pitching at once EVER. You’d be trading YEARS of playoffs for one World Series title this year. It’s a clown statement, bro.
Sheets pitches Varvao down. SS Pasotnicky/Wilson until a better idea if Simmons comes back this year. I make the Upton trade but still do not want to lose Prado but to get better a power left fielder is needed. Prado good hit but not a beig enough threat for Hr’s and rbi’s.
Prado at 3B will be completely satisfactory offensively. 3B doesn’t have to hit a bunch of HR’s. Just gotta get hits and drive in runs. See Wade Boggs – DOUBLES MACHINE. I’d take 2/3 of Boggs production at 3B every single day.
You would recieve 2 proven pitchers under 28 y/o for Minor (proven nothng so far is at best ever a #5) Teheran may prove to be a #1 or #2. For him you get a proven #1. Gilmartin is projected to be a #3 at best. Delgado looks like he will one day be a #2 or #3. So you tell me that you hope all that comes to pass some time in the future and we win a NL championship.
We can trade 3 of those, but not Teheran and Delgado both, and get a #1 and #3 starter in most rotations. We could win NOW or wait ANOTHER 2 years and maybe win with 2nd and 3rd year pitchers? BTW what will we have at that time on the offensive side?
Yea that is a clown staement! Let bet on unproven minor league and rokie pitchers to carry us to a NL title in the next year, yea right! Rookies seldom carry team nd to expect 3 1st or 2nd year pitchers to do so crazy. Win NOW!
Btw the the stock market might be better next year so dont make moves to improve your finances until then.
JJ Minor and Delgado will not get it done this year. JJ and Minor will be gone next year. Delgado will probably be in the rotation next year.
Why would Arizona be willing to trade Upton? That is a huge red flag. It’s definitely not a ringing endorsement for Upton. I wouldn’t touch him. No way I give up Prado
The Duke of Flatbush
July 12th, 2012
9:04 pm
Wren should have been fired after the Texeira deal. Worst trade in baseball history and now he wants to trade their best player for a sulker? No wonder people don’t go to the games.
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COME ON DUDE… At least get it correct; it was John Schurholtz who was the GM when the Braves traded for Teixeira. And their where many worse trades than that in Baseball history. Trading Tex for Kotchman the next year was probably worse…
If they decide to start Jack Wilson in most games, don’t be too surprised if Josh Wilson at Gwinnett gets the call instead of Pastornicky. He has more than 200 major league games at SS and has played some at 2B, 3B, 1B and OF at the major league level. Plus, he has a 9.00 ERA in 3 relief appearances, so he can fill the back of the bullpen “put out the fire with gasoline” role, if needed! Josh Wilson did not play in tonight’s G-Braves game, while Pastornicky played 2B. IF so, we’d have the lightest hitting SS duo in the majors!
I still don’t understand why Medlen wasn’t given a shot at starting; he certainly seems like less of a risk than Sheets at this point. Medlen had pitched well as a starter while Sheets was going through all of his injuries and rehabs. The reason the Braves give is that Medlen is needed to much in the pen right now, but it’s much easier to find middle inning relievers than starters. The Braves have a pretty good record on these reclaimation projects, so hopefully this will all work out.
If the goal is to win in 2012, this trade idea seems a bit foolish, especially all of the talk about us including prospects as well. Upton may have more upside potential, but we need production THIS year, not potential. Plus, Prado’s a great team-player and is one of the few consistent hitters that we have.
The Braves have said it themselves that Liberty makes a profit by fielding a budget team at budget prices. So when the wheels fall off your Yugo on I20 again this year, you’ve been warned.
I’m a huge Prado fan and would love to see him stay in ATL a long time. But any chance to get a player of Justin Upton’s potential deserves serious consideration. I cannot find any ranking, rating, or metric that would indicate that Prado has greater upside than Upton. Sure, Prado is having a batter season on paper, but in Upton we’re talking about a guy like Heyward or Morse or Zimmerman or Stanton or Hosmer – all guys with universally recognized talent and the potential to be a perennial All-Star, but who have had a bumpy ride in developing that talent. As good a guy as Prado is, he is definitely not in that category.
After having arm surgery, time off is not a bad thing. He may be 34 but he hasn’t pitched much in 4 years. I think he’s already in the low 90s and still has the curve ball so I think this is a worthwhile experiment by management. Melky Caberra couldn’t function in Cox’s platoon system but with a chance to play every day his potential has been tapped. Sometimes playing by the book is not good. It makes too many players part-timers who fail to get into their groove.
I’m not saying the Braves won’t try to get Upton, but it won’t be Prado – that was just Buster Olney talking out of his buster. It makes very little sense for the Braves considering all that Prado brings to the table and the fact that we have a RF. Gonna stick Upton in left?
Just pitchers…. Please no stupid position moves at this point…this team will light it up offensively in the second half! A quality arm or two and they will be right in the mix for a championship!!
As Ringo once sang?
No No No No I dont smoke it no moe~ I”m tired of waking up on the Floor?!
Prado SHOULD BE Untouchable!!!!!!!!!!
However Paul once Sang “It’s Gettin Better All The time?” Then~ the The “Real ” Beatle!
Chimed in????? “It couldnt get Much Worse!”
Prado is an Overlooked Perenial (Spelling) All Star!
IF! the braves Trade Prado? I agree with John!
“It Couldnt get much Worse!”
Lovin Watchin Chippers “Fare The Well Tour!”
First Ballot HOF’er! Once again? To the Chipper Haters?
If You See Kay?! You!
Cmon Colorado: Techie Mark was gone as soon as he got there . use some sense. Agree…time to send Prado elsewhere for some talent.. Where is Upton stuff comin from? Lets get him!!!!
UGA!!!!!
My old Friend! I hope time has treated you well?
The talk of trading Prado? I Feel is ~well?
I hope the heck its~ just fodder? As opposed to Mudder?
LOL
Good to hear from you again my Friend! THIS in my opinion IS the Braves Last Hurrah:-(
This season I mean~!
It’s now or never!
And Chipper WILL Lead The Way!
Ya think Wren? would Trade Prado?
I unlike others Think wren is on the same Level as Shuerholtz!
If not a bit more shrewd!
I have Total Faith in Frank Wren! I wish someone would post~ Why Wren is an idiot?
Jury still out on Freddie!
Seems to be better than the “Donkey?”
LOL
Prado will be a free agent and Upton has a contract till 2015..
utfromtu..it was on insider and b/y that Braves were interested in Upton and other remarks. You go read.
GT alum…sorry about that, I was not to happy either.
I remember the Brett Butler trade that pissed fans off..we even had a petition to bring him back. We had thousands sign it and at home games we collected signatures. It was fun but its lol now.
Monty…don’t book on anything with Wren in control.
I’d like to have Upton but not at Prado’s expense.
McCann’s contract is up but Braves have a 13 million option for 2013….Is he worth 13 million?
Braves don’t have to give up Prado. They have 3rd baseman in the Minors. Ed. Salcedo, and “The Terd”. We trade one of them, and a pitcher like Teharan, or Minor. Prado is the Braves 3rd baseman for next year. No way Prado will be traded.
Also, we have to keep an eye on Greinke too, as well as SS. Wrens’ interest is starting pitching first, who ever the pitcher is? I’ll be happy, as long as he can pitch 8 innings, and we will have to see whats next. Patience, and Wren will do what he has to do. I wouldn’t mind getting Justin Upton, and that’s for sure! Peace my friends, and talk tomorrow…..”Go!!!!!Braves!!!!! Hello – to Ben Sheets……
E Matthews July 12th, 2012 8:12 pm Give the team to Chipper. He’ll get 110% from players or he’ll get em on the road.
Beg to differ. Chipper is a Hall of Fame player, but he has not demonstrated that he is much of a leader. Given his almost 20 years as a Brave, why do you think he has never been made captain? Not being critical, but his speech before the All Star Game was not exactly rousing.
I would not bail on either Delgado or Minor at this point. Both have shown strong indications that they can pitch well in the majors. Both are still in their early learning curves, and will get better with experience. Given their age and some success thus far, they could also be used as trade bait.
Prado is a ROCK! He is the epitome of what we say we want in a Brave, consistent, effective and great guy who never is a distraction. Trading him would be a slap in the face to old school baseball where there is respect and appreciation to the guys that have had your back as long as they’ve been around.
Hope we get to see many years of an infield with Prado, Singleton and Freeman ; Heyward and Bourn in the outfield.
Dempster would come alot cheaper than Grienke. Also, we will not put out the $ to keep Grienke. As it stands, we may lose Bourn, so let’s not trade away our future for a rent a Grienke. We also need someone else that can play shortstop, and hit higher than .174!
Right there tells you that next year the infield will look like this…. freeman, uggla, simmons, prado, mccann….. so Instead of going out and getting a pitcher lets go out and get an outfielder thats what we need…. I like delgado dispite some people ripping on him and I like hanson, beachy, hudson and JJ…. minor is not going to cut it… gilmartin is the future….. finally baseball tonight go braves!!!!
Hope Braves can resign Bourne, I really doubt it with his agent, big NO to Upton, just do not need a head case. they are ususally OK for a year or two, re. Milton Bradley, Sheffield etc, it always comes back ! .
They cant be serious. After being away from baseball you bring a guy back with 2 starts in double A and he gets shelled and you deem him ready. Iunderstand you may not be happy with what you got but didnt we see how the Livan experiment worked out already. Games up here count and we are sabotaging the team right now. Say he lasts 2 innings against the Muts on Sunday then you have essentially blew your bullpen and better hope and pray you have an 8 or 9 inning start to follow because the pen which is minus Venters already, will be taxed. Medlin wouldve been a better option and possibly use Sheets as a reliever until he gets his stamina back and not put the team at a disadvantage.
If they trade Delgado or Minor they will live to regret it everytime they have to face them more so than any trade they have ever made, as far as Teheran goes, well, that is up in the air, he ould go either way, turn out to be great or become a complete dud, right now he is going backward. If I had to give up either of the three it would be Teheran. Don’t forget we have Visciano coming back next year.
did you see three former Braves at the All-Star game representing the Texas Rangers.That was a sweet deal for Texas. Who do the Braves have left from that trade? Do we want another rent a player at expense like that
Whew! I’m glad Frank Wren told us “This is a joke” @ 8:47 above. I mean, I thought that was our real GM being serious on a beat writer’s blog on a Friday morning.
Yogi that is not what was said. Olney said the Braves could package a deal around Prado for Upton. That’s totally different than the Braves actually considering it.
If his elbow is sound and his velocity is around 92 mph, then there’s a really good chance this will work out very well. He’s had 4 years off, so his arm should be well rested. I’m cautiously optimistic. The Braves were lucky to grab him up before the Yankees did.
everybody needs to chill. they are not trading prado. just a espn writer’s comment to try to drum up dust. and to the original point of the article… Good luck Ben!
So how do you go from you guys saying this winter that we had so many greaat Pitchers that we need to trade some Pitching – to now being despirate enough to having to start a Pitcher who hasn’t pitched in two years.
Oh I forgot – This is what happens when over a 7 year period (since Leo left) you end up getting most of your really good Starting Pitchers INJURED.
But even though we had FOUR of our FIVE Starters ftom last years coming off INJURIES; we do now have the great rookie Starter leading the League in ERA and the great best young relief pitcher from last year.
OOPS, they have both now also BEEN INJURED.
This is from an article I found a beat writer for the A’s back in 2010, discussing Sheet’s second surgery…Andy Pettitte had the same surgery in 2004 and had his best season the following year.
“As Sheets had feared, he needs a second flexor-tendon surgery; when I asked him what worst-case scenario was last week, he’d mentioned that Jason Jennings had required a second flexor-tendon surgery and that it was definitely a possibility. Flexor-tendon surgery isn’t like Tommy John surgery, when essentially a new ligament is put in place – the “wrap,” as it’s commonly known. In flexor-tendon surgery, Sheets explained to me, the bad part of the tendon is shaved off, and the tendon basically pulled down and reattached again. There’s nothing new in there, no “wrap” is possible – it’s fix it and then pin it back to the bone. The question will be if Sheets, 32, wants to keep playing. No surgery is scheduled yet, and he’s already been through the year-long process of surgery and rehab, and then finding a job as a free agent. That’s not easy, and he’s a free agent again and would have to try to convince teams all over to take the risk. Jennings has had trouble coming back from his second surgery; he is doing a throwing program now here in Texas. He’s still in the A’s system, signed to a minor-league deal this spring, but he hasn’t pitched in a game. We have yet to speak to Sheets, who is not at the ballpark. He’s such a competitor, a real bulldog type, it’s possible he’ll want to jump right in and fight to come back. It’s also possible, using the same reasoning, that he might not want to pitch again unless he can be at the top of his game. He was frustrated this season at being just OK. He told me last week that he was capable of six innings, three runs, even with the swollen and painful elbow, and when I said, “That’s a quality start! Teams would take that,” he said, “But I know I can do better.” I believe he’s been pitching with this for some time, just as he did down the stretch two years ago while trying to get the Brewers into the playoffs. I know there are a lot of complaints about the contract – again, who cares? they had the money to spend and no one else was taking it – but Sheets was willing himself out there with a torn flexor tendon. This is not for lack of effort. And healthy, I’d still very much like to see what he can do, if he chooses to.”
Seven run in 10 2/3 innings at Mississippi? And he’s ready for the Mets?
i had this same thought, but ML results dont always matter much for a veteran. although, as long as its been since he pitched, it qould have been nice to see some god results.
i think the reason he is pitching sunday is that wren needs to know now whether or not this is going to work. the trade deadline is in 3 weeks, and what the braves do will change based on what sheets can give us.
Don @ 9:59am makes a good point. The Braves have had a lot of injuries to pitchers in the past 5+ years. Does anyone know how they rank with other organizations? Something doesn’t smell right with all the injuries. What’s going on? Hudson, Medlen, Venters, JJ, Hanson, Moylan, and now Beachy. It’s easier to name who hasn’t been injured. I hope they don’t screw up Kimbrel.
If all you can get out of Sheets is 5 innings then you might as well stay with Minor and Delgado. The Braves have already invested half the season in that duo. Might as well bite the bullet and let them continue to mature on the big club. Wren and Fredi really don’t seem to have a clue witness the dumpster diving for Sheets and the willingness to plug along with Wilson at SS.
JoeFan…”If all you can get out of Sheets is 5 innings then you might as well stay with Minor and Delgado. The Braves have already invested half the season in that duo. Might as well bite the bullet and let them continue to mature on the big club. Wren and Fredi really don’t seem to have a clue witness the dumpster diving for Sheets and the willingness to plug along with Wilson at SS.”
Have you ever invested anything? Picking up Sheets is the equivalent of investing $1 in a stock that could net you a 100x return if all goes well. If it doesn’t, you only lost $1. And the Yankees saw the same pitching session the Braves did and tried to sign him as well. So if Wren and Fredi were dumpster diving, then so was Cashman and Girardi.
Sheets is basically the equivalent of Chris Carpenter. A bulldog, big game pitcher with one of the most unhittable curveballs I’ve ever seen. It was too bad his early career was wasted on lousy Brewer teams. By the time they finally made the playoffs to give Sheets a chance to shine on the big stage, down he goes with the first flexor injury and he had the sit out the division series.
Lemke’s knuckler….thanks kid. But money is the problem and has been for a long time. I hope everyday to read where Braves pull off a big deal just like you. I would love to have Zack and Upton but I’ll have to see it to believe it. I’ve been a fan for 46 years and seen it all but nothing big since Tex deal.
I think Sheets will be good if he has his own personal catcher like Maddog. May I suggest Francisco?? He’s a great big target, kinda like an out of shape Sabathia that ate Prince Fielder for lunch.
If Sheets is ready to pitch and does well what does that say about SPRING TRAINING. Waiting for this team to trade a player is like waiting for the MARTA bus it may come by or it may not but it will be mostly empty.
Driving down from Nashville today gonna catch the weekend series. I think we take our momentum from the Phils right to the Mets. Gonna Chop House it up today and get some good seats tomorrow. Problem is all the hotels around Turner Field are booked solid…..I may be sleeping at the Chop House haha Go Braves!
Prado is a terrific player and brings heart to this team. He could solve 3b for us next year. Please don’t trade him! Rather sign a couple FA outfielders and keep Martin.
Anxious to see Sheets, but with a long layoff, we should be happy with 6 innings and 3-4 runs the first time out. Plan on scoring in the first inning, guys, and take a little pressure off. if he gives us 5-7 innings a game and a 3.75 ERA we should be thrilled. I’m rooting for him.
M Braves-10 innings- 12 hits-seven runs (only 6 earned), over 5. ERA ,= ready for Big Boys ? Sheets was great when pitching against us but is he actually more ready then Minor ? I hope so, he was dominate when not injured……
Medlen , of course. They think he can learn to be a starter in the minors. So that someday he will get a chance to regain his old job, in the starting rotation. He must have pi**ed off soebody somewhere. Bye bye Kris.
262 comments Add your comment
southgabrave
July 12th, 2012
9:42 pm
Last 54 innings for Liriano 15 earned run in 54 innings. That is 2.50 era and much better than Minor or Delgado. 5 games with 1 run or less.
(Rob from SC)
July 12th, 2012
9:44 pm
Minor or Gilmartin for Scutaro and Belisle
Dirty Dawg
July 12th, 2012
9:45 pm
Look, don’t fall in love with JJ all over again. The success he’s had since returning can be attributed to luck as much as anything else. The other night he threw two or three fastballs that hit 90 or more, and that was it. He threw change ups on 4 out of 5 pitches, at least, and missed his target so many times that even the Philly batters couldn’t believe it, or handle em.
Hat tipping
July 12th, 2012
9:46 pm
Moylan pitching in Rome this weekend. Almost there.
Matt the Brave
July 12th, 2012
9:47 pm
SouthGABrave, you’re more or less making this team the Phillies, except worse. Older, slower, and more prone to breakdowns for one run this year? You don’t trade that much of your young pitching at once EVER. You’d be trading YEARS of playoffs for one World Series title this year. It’s a clown statement, bro.
Hat tipping
July 12th, 2012
9:49 pm
Hang on to young arms. Minor Delgado Teheran are our future even with ups and downs
Art
July 12th, 2012
9:50 pm
Sheets pitches Varvao down. SS Pasotnicky/Wilson until a better idea if Simmons comes back this year. I make the Upton trade but still do not want to lose Prado but to get better a power left fielder is needed. Prado good hit but not a beig enough threat for Hr’s and rbi’s.
aldan
July 12th, 2012
9:51 pm
KEEEEEEEEEEEEEP!
TEEEEEEEEEEEEEN!
KEEEEEEEEEEEEEP!
TEEEEEEEEEEEEEN!
kEEEEEEEEEEEEEP!
TEEEEEEEEEEEEEN!
Kevin
July 12th, 2012
9:51 pm
Prado at 3B will be completely satisfactory offensively. 3B doesn’t have to hit a bunch of HR’s. Just gotta get hits and drive in runs. See Wade Boggs – DOUBLES MACHINE. I’d take 2/3 of Boggs production at 3B every single day.
B_F 54
July 12th, 2012
10:00 pm
Thanks C Viv nice coverage
southgabrave
July 12th, 2012
10:03 pm
@matt the Brave
You would recieve 2 proven pitchers under 28 y/o for Minor (proven nothng so far is at best ever a #5) Teheran may prove to be a #1 or #2. For him you get a proven #1. Gilmartin is projected to be a #3 at best. Delgado looks like he will one day be a #2 or #3. So you tell me that you hope all that comes to pass some time in the future and we win a NL championship.
We can trade 3 of those, but not Teheran and Delgado both, and get a #1 and #3 starter in most rotations. We could win NOW or wait ANOTHER 2 years and maybe win with 2nd and 3rd year pitchers? BTW what will we have at that time on the offensive side?
Yea that is a clown staement! Let bet on unproven minor league and rokie pitchers to carry us to a NL title in the next year, yea right! Rookies seldom carry team nd to expect 3 1st or 2nd year pitchers to do so crazy. Win NOW!
Btw the the stock market might be better next year so dont make moves to improve your finances until then.
JJ Minor and Delgado will not get it done this year. JJ and Minor will be gone next year. Delgado will probably be in the rotation next year.
Ralph
July 12th, 2012
10:09 pm
Maybe Moylan feels great too, just like Sheets and Venters, time to bring him back, better ask him if he is ready first though.
southgabrave
July 12th, 2012
10:14 pm
@matt
Yea those moves I suggest would make us older and slower.
Lets see 2 pitchers under 30 for 3 under 23…..lots older
Bloomquist for Hinski…..lots older and much slower
Scutaro for Wilson…..much slower and older
I got it now. Just like the Phils all over 35 and mcuh slower team
Billy Walsh
July 12th, 2012
10:18 pm
Why would Arizona be willing to trade Upton? That is a huge red flag. It’s definitely not a ringing endorsement for Upton. I wouldn’t touch him. No way I give up Prado
southgabrave
July 12th, 2012
10:18 pm
I did mean we trade Hinski and Wilson, that is the players that Scutaro and Bloomquist replace on the roster
southgabrave
July 12th, 2012
10:27 pm
I agree B Walsh
ColoradoBravesFan
July 12th, 2012
10:32 pm
The Duke of Flatbush
July 12th, 2012
9:04 pm
Wren should have been fired after the Texeira deal. Worst trade in baseball history and now he wants to trade their best player for a sulker? No wonder people don’t go to the games.
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COME ON DUDE… At least get it correct; it was John Schurholtz who was the GM when the Braves traded for Teixeira. And their where many worse trades than that in Baseball history. Trading Tex for Kotchman the next year was probably worse…
GO BRAVES
ColoradoBravesFan
July 12th, 2012
10:33 pm
AHHH… there not their….
JC Boscan III
July 12th, 2012
10:37 pm
If they decide to start Jack Wilson in most games, don’t be too surprised if Josh Wilson at Gwinnett gets the call instead of Pastornicky. He has more than 200 major league games at SS and has played some at 2B, 3B, 1B and OF at the major league level. Plus, he has a 9.00 ERA in 3 relief appearances, so he can fill the back of the bullpen “put out the fire with gasoline” role, if needed! Josh Wilson did not play in tonight’s G-Braves game, while Pastornicky played 2B. IF so, we’d have the lightest hitting SS duo in the majors!
bobbymahlon
July 12th, 2012
10:39 pm
I saw Wren on TV and he said they are going to find a permanent spot for Prado next year.
bobbymahlon
July 12th, 2012
10:41 pm
Prado is the heart and soul of the team to trade him would be STUPID.
Keith
July 12th, 2012
11:01 pm
If Sheets is above average and stays in the rotation, then Wren will be up for GM of the year.
IF they can land Greinke, he will win it. Write it down.
Bob the Blogger
July 12th, 2012
11:01 pm
I still don’t understand why Medlen wasn’t given a shot at starting; he certainly seems like less of a risk than Sheets at this point. Medlen had pitched well as a starter while Sheets was going through all of his injuries and rehabs. The reason the Braves give is that Medlen is needed to much in the pen right now, but it’s much easier to find middle inning relievers than starters. The Braves have a pretty good record on these reclaimation projects, so hopefully this will all work out.
Keith
July 12th, 2012
11:03 pm
Yes, Bob, if Sheets if serviceable, then I think they give MEdlen a shot and don’t sign anyone else.
If he doesn’t, they have to get starter IMO.
JC Boscan III
July 12th, 2012
11:06 pm
Prado .321 5 HR 37 RBI, 23 2Bs, 3 3Bs, 11 steals, 1 CS.
Upton .273 7 HR 37 RBI, 12 2Bs, 2 2Bs, 10 steals, 8 CS.
If the goal is to win in 2012, this trade idea seems a bit foolish, especially all of the talk about us including prospects as well. Upton may have more upside potential, but we need production THIS year, not potential. Plus, Prado’s a great team-player and is one of the few consistent hitters that we have.
Keith
July 12th, 2012
11:09 pm
Prado for Upton seems terrible.
Yerp
July 12th, 2012
11:19 pm
The Braves have said it themselves that Liberty makes a profit by fielding a budget team at budget prices. So when the wheels fall off your Yugo on I20 again this year, you’ve been warned.
IlliniBrave
July 12th, 2012
11:28 pm
I’m a huge Prado fan and would love to see him stay in ATL a long time. But any chance to get a player of Justin Upton’s potential deserves serious consideration. I cannot find any ranking, rating, or metric that would indicate that Prado has greater upside than Upton. Sure, Prado is having a batter season on paper, but in Upton we’re talking about a guy like Heyward or Morse or Zimmerman or Stanton or Hosmer – all guys with universally recognized talent and the potential to be a perennial All-Star, but who have had a bumpy ride in developing that talent. As good a guy as Prado is, he is definitely not in that category.
duronimo
July 12th, 2012
11:32 pm
After having arm surgery, time off is not a bad thing. He may be 34 but he hasn’t pitched much in 4 years. I think he’s already in the low 90s and still has the curve ball so I think this is a worthwhile experiment by management. Melky Caberra couldn’t function in Cox’s platoon system but with a chance to play every day his potential has been tapped. Sometimes playing by the book is not good. It makes too many players part-timers who fail to get into their groove.
Kentavo
July 12th, 2012
11:43 pm
I’m not saying the Braves won’t try to get Upton, but it won’t be Prado – that was just Buster Olney talking out of his buster. It makes very little sense for the Braves considering all that Prado brings to the table and the fact that we have a RF. Gonna stick Upton in left?
monty
July 12th, 2012
11:57 pm
Prado will be at 3rd base next year. Book it!
Sov
July 13th, 2012
12:36 am
Just pitchers…. Please no stupid position moves at this point…this team will light it up offensively in the second half! A quality arm or two and they will be right in the mix for a championship!!
Serbok
July 13th, 2012
1:01 am
As Ringo once sang?
No No No No I dont smoke it no moe~ I”m tired of waking up on the Floor?!
Prado SHOULD BE Untouchable!!!!!!!!!!
However Paul once Sang “It’s Gettin Better All The time?” Then~ the The “Real ” Beatle!
Chimed in????? “It couldnt get Much Worse!”
Prado is an Overlooked Perenial (Spelling) All Star!
IF! the braves Trade Prado? I agree with John!
“It Couldnt get much Worse!”
Lovin Watchin Chippers “Fare The Well Tour!”
First Ballot HOF’er! Once again? To the Chipper Haters?
If You See Kay?! You!
BridgesOverTroubledDawgH2O's
July 13th, 2012
1:03 am
Cmon Colorado: Techie Mark was gone as soon as he got there . use some sense. Agree…time to send Prado elsewhere for some talent.. Where is Upton stuff comin from? Lets get him!!!!
brave boy
July 13th, 2012
1:06 am
Prado was untouchable 2 yrs ago..At least Bourn wasnt sacrificied by Hooters boy!
uga-brave
July 13th, 2012
1:10 am
sebrok, you old vampire. been a long time.
how are you?
Ward
July 13th, 2012
1:19 am
Hello everyone! We trade “The Terd”, and Teharan for Justin Upton, and lower prospect.
Ward
July 13th, 2012
1:23 am
That way we keep Prado……..Still hoping for Greinke too.
Serbok
July 13th, 2012
1:34 am
UGA!!!!!
My old Friend! I hope time has treated you well?
The talk of trading Prado? I Feel is ~well?
I hope the heck its~ just fodder? As opposed to Mudder?
LOL
Good to hear from you again my Friend! THIS in my opinion IS the Braves Last Hurrah:-(
This season I mean~!
It’s now or never!
And Chipper WILL Lead The Way!
Ya think Wren? would Trade Prado?
I unlike others Think wren is on the same Level as Shuerholtz!
If not a bit more shrewd!
I have Total Faith in Frank Wren! I wish someone would post~ Why Wren is an idiot?
Jury still out on Freddie!
Seems to be better than the “Donkey?”
LOL
uga-brave
July 13th, 2012
1:37 am
old days serbok.
way before wordpress.
good to see you.
those that dont know. serbok was old school.
Yogi Berra
July 13th, 2012
1:45 am
Prado will be a free agent and Upton has a contract till 2015..
utfromtu..it was on insider and b/y that Braves were interested in Upton and other remarks. You go read.
GT alum…sorry about that, I was not to happy either.
I remember the Brett Butler trade that pissed fans off..we even had a petition to bring him back. We had thousands sign it and at home games we collected signatures. It was fun but its lol now.
Yogi Berra
July 13th, 2012
1:53 am
Monty…don’t book on anything with Wren in control.
I’d like to have Upton but not at Prado’s expense.
McCann’s contract is up but Braves have a 13 million option for 2013….Is he worth 13 million?
Yogi Berra
July 13th, 2012
1:54 am
Goodnight fans.
Ward
July 13th, 2012
3:41 am
Braves don’t have to give up Prado. They have 3rd baseman in the Minors. Ed. Salcedo, and “The Terd”. We trade one of them, and a pitcher like Teharan, or Minor. Prado is the Braves 3rd baseman for next year. No way Prado will be traded.
Ward
July 13th, 2012
3:43 am
Most likely two propsects for Justin Upton, and would it be well worth it.
Ward
July 13th, 2012
3:46 am
Prado will be the Braves 3rd baseman next year, and I will book it too.
Ward
July 13th, 2012
3:57 am
Also, we have to keep an eye on Greinke too, as well as SS. Wrens’ interest is starting pitching first, who ever the pitcher is? I’ll be happy, as long as he can pitch 8 innings, and we will have to see whats next. Patience, and Wren will do what he has to do. I wouldn’t mind getting Justin Upton, and that’s for sure! Peace my friends, and talk tomorrow…..”Go!!!!!Braves!!!!! Hello – to Ben Sheets……
Can Of Corn
July 13th, 2012
4:59 am
SEND FREDI DOWN
Encourage the team and encourage the fans:
Bring up Sheets and send Fredi down!
Oh to have a real manager again!
YELLOW FUZZ
July 13th, 2012
6:20 am
kral
July 12th, 2012
8:46 pm
“dang wish something else would distract me…most I have blogged in awhile…still waiting gt…nothing else to do”
YOU ARE STILL A STICK IN MY KRAL, KRAL
Barkley not impressed with Team USA | AJC Sports Talk
July 13th, 2012
6:40 am
[...] Newly acquired Ben Sheets to start for Braves on Sunday [...]
Brave New World
July 13th, 2012
7:00 am
E Matthews July 12th, 2012 8:12 pm Give the team to Chipper. He’ll get 110% from players or he’ll get em on the road.
Beg to differ. Chipper is a Hall of Fame player, but he has not demonstrated that he is much of a leader. Given his almost 20 years as a Brave, why do you think he has never been made captain? Not being critical, but his speech before the All Star Game was not exactly rousing.
Darryl Blackberry
July 13th, 2012
7:11 am
If this guy can go seven, it was worth the signing money.
I’m guessing Randall will either go to AAA or pitch out of the ‘pen. At least Minor is capable of going six (sometimes).
Brave New World
July 13th, 2012
7:16 am
I would not bail on either Delgado or Minor at this point. Both have shown strong indications that they can pitch well in the majors. Both are still in their early learning curves, and will get better with experience. Given their age and some success thus far, they could also be used as trade bait.
curdawg
July 13th, 2012
7:34 am
Prado is a ROCK! He is the epitome of what we say we want in a Brave, consistent, effective and great guy who never is a distraction. Trading him would be a slap in the face to old school baseball where there is respect and appreciation to the guys that have had your back as long as they’ve been around.
Hope we get to see many years of an infield with Prado, Singleton and Freeman ; Heyward and Bourn in the outfield.
Brian Asselstine
July 13th, 2012
7:40 am
Dempster would come alot cheaper than Grienke. Also, we will not put out the $ to keep Grienke. As it stands, we may lose Bourn, so let’s not trade away our future for a rent a Grienke. We also need someone else that can play shortstop, and hit higher than .174!
Braves Fan in Maine
July 13th, 2012
7:43 am
Right there tells you that next year the infield will look like this…. freeman, uggla, simmons, prado, mccann….. so Instead of going out and getting a pitcher lets go out and get an outfielder thats what we need…. I like delgado dispite some people ripping on him and I like hanson, beachy, hudson and JJ…. minor is not going to cut it… gilmartin is the future….. finally baseball tonight go braves!!!!
Braves Fan in Maine
July 13th, 2012
7:46 am
DOB- any news or trade rumor rumblings ????
BartBuzz
July 13th, 2012
7:50 am
Is it just me…or are the Braves getting desperate? Seven run in 10 2/3 innings at Mississippi? And he’s ready for the Mets?
RBrave
July 13th, 2012
7:51 am
Hope Braves can resign Bourne, I really doubt it with his agent, big NO to Upton, just do not need a head case. they are ususally OK for a year or two, re. Milton Bradley, Sheffield etc, it always comes back ! .
Dnice
July 13th, 2012
8:06 am
They cant be serious. After being away from baseball you bring a guy back with 2 starts in double A and he gets shelled and you deem him ready. Iunderstand you may not be happy with what you got but didnt we see how the Livan experiment worked out already. Games up here count and we are sabotaging the team right now. Say he lasts 2 innings against the Muts on Sunday then you have essentially blew your bullpen and better hope and pray you have an 8 or 9 inning start to follow because the pen which is minus Venters already, will be taxed. Medlin wouldve been a better option and possibly use Sheets as a reliever until he gets his stamina back and not put the team at a disadvantage.
jeffrey d
July 13th, 2012
8:09 am
12 hits in 10+ innings isn’t “shelled”
jeffrey d
July 13th, 2012
8:32 am
Welp, see ya later
59bulldawg
July 13th, 2012
8:47 am
All great suggestions southgabrave ! I like the way you think !
Frank Wren
July 13th, 2012
8:47 am
I won’t trade Prado….promise.
I love you Fredi – you are the BEST manager!
(This is a joke)
59bulldawg
July 13th, 2012
8:50 am
BTW, nobody will be pulling harder for Ben Sheets than me! But I’m just not sure how much his arm has left. Still, it’s worth a try. Good luck Ben!
Ralph
July 13th, 2012
8:57 am
If they trade Delgado or Minor they will live to regret it everytime they have to face them more so than any trade they have ever made, as far as Teheran goes, well, that is up in the air, he ould go either way, turn out to be great or become a complete dud, right now he is going backward. If I had to give up either of the three it would be Teheran. Don’t forget we have Visciano coming back next year.
bravesfan
July 13th, 2012
8:58 am
did you see three former Braves at the All-Star game representing the Texas Rangers.That was a sweet deal for Texas. Who do the Braves have left from that trade? Do we want another rent a player at expense like that
Uggla's Arms
July 13th, 2012
9:08 am
Any talk of trading Prado is insane.
Bayou Brave
July 13th, 2012
9:20 am
Whew! I’m glad Frank Wren told us “This is a joke” @ 8:47 above. I mean, I thought that was our real GM being serious on a beat writer’s blog on a Friday morning.
Just Wanna Say
July 13th, 2012
9:23 am
Yogi that is not what was said. Olney said the Braves could package a deal around Prado for Upton. That’s totally different than the Braves actually considering it.
Lemke's Knuckler
July 13th, 2012
9:38 am
If his elbow is sound and his velocity is around 92 mph, then there’s a really good chance this will work out very well. He’s had 4 years off, so his arm should be well rested. I’m cautiously optimistic. The Braves were lucky to grab him up before the Yankees did.
bravesfaninwest
July 13th, 2012
9:40 am
everybody needs to chill. they are not trading prado. just a espn writer’s comment to try to drum up dust. and to the original point of the article… Good luck Ben!
jeffrey d
July 13th, 2012
9:49 am
Trading Prado wouldn’t be a bad move if you got someone equally valuable in return. You can’t expect to get anything without giving anything.
Unless you trade for Michael Bourn….
Don
July 13th, 2012
9:59 am
So how do you go from you guys saying this winter that we had so many greaat Pitchers that we need to trade some Pitching – to now being despirate enough to having to start a Pitcher who hasn’t pitched in two years.
Oh I forgot – This is what happens when over a 7 year period (since Leo left) you end up getting most of your really good Starting Pitchers INJURED.
But even though we had FOUR of our FIVE Starters ftom last years coming off INJURIES; we do now have the great rookie Starter leading the League in ERA and the great best young relief pitcher from last year.
OOPS, they have both now also BEEN INJURED.
Lemke's Knuckler
July 13th, 2012
10:04 am
This is from an article I found a beat writer for the A’s back in 2010, discussing Sheet’s second surgery…Andy Pettitte had the same surgery in 2004 and had his best season the following year.
“As Sheets had feared, he needs a second flexor-tendon surgery; when I asked him what worst-case scenario was last week, he’d mentioned that Jason Jennings had required a second flexor-tendon surgery and that it was definitely a possibility. Flexor-tendon surgery isn’t like Tommy John surgery, when essentially a new ligament is put in place – the “wrap,” as it’s commonly known. In flexor-tendon surgery, Sheets explained to me, the bad part of the tendon is shaved off, and the tendon basically pulled down and reattached again. There’s nothing new in there, no “wrap” is possible – it’s fix it and then pin it back to the bone. The question will be if Sheets, 32, wants to keep playing. No surgery is scheduled yet, and he’s already been through the year-long process of surgery and rehab, and then finding a job as a free agent. That’s not easy, and he’s a free agent again and would have to try to convince teams all over to take the risk. Jennings has had trouble coming back from his second surgery; he is doing a throwing program now here in Texas. He’s still in the A’s system, signed to a minor-league deal this spring, but he hasn’t pitched in a game. We have yet to speak to Sheets, who is not at the ballpark. He’s such a competitor, a real bulldog type, it’s possible he’ll want to jump right in and fight to come back. It’s also possible, using the same reasoning, that he might not want to pitch again unless he can be at the top of his game. He was frustrated this season at being just OK. He told me last week that he was capable of six innings, three runs, even with the swollen and painful elbow, and when I said, “That’s a quality start! Teams would take that,” he said, “But I know I can do better.” I believe he’s been pitching with this for some time, just as he did down the stretch two years ago while trying to get the Brewers into the playoffs. I know there are a lot of complaints about the contract – again, who cares? they had the money to spend and no one else was taking it – but Sheets was willing himself out there with a torn flexor tendon. This is not for lack of effort. And healthy, I’d still very much like to see what he can do, if he chooses to.”
JK
July 13th, 2012
10:05 am
Two thoughts…
1) Prado is not a third baseman
2) Bourn is in a contract year and will never have a year that is this productive again
monty
July 13th, 2012
10:10 am
Sheets said he “feels great” so he starts Sunday, Venters says “he’s feeling great” too, so he relieves Sunday. Right? If that’s the logic involved.
DAP
July 13th, 2012
10:13 am
Seven run in 10 2/3 innings at Mississippi? And he’s ready for the Mets?
i had this same thought, but ML results dont always matter much for a veteran. although, as long as its been since he pitched, it qould have been nice to see some god results.
i think the reason he is pitching sunday is that wren needs to know now whether or not this is going to work. the trade deadline is in 3 weeks, and what the braves do will change based on what sheets can give us.
DAP
July 13th, 2012
10:15 am
JK Two thoughts…
1) Prado is not a third baseman
not your most impressive thought session, JK. prado certainly is a 3rd baseman. its his best position on the field.
BartBuzz
July 13th, 2012
10:18 am
Don @ 9:59am makes a good point. The Braves have had a lot of injuries to pitchers in the past 5+ years. Does anyone know how they rank with other organizations? Something doesn’t smell right with all the injuries. What’s going on? Hudson, Medlen, Venters, JJ, Hanson, Moylan, and now Beachy. It’s easier to name who hasn’t been injured. I hope they don’t screw up Kimbrel.
JoeFan
July 13th, 2012
10:19 am
If all you can get out of Sheets is 5 innings then you might as well stay with Minor and Delgado. The Braves have already invested half the season in that duo. Might as well bite the bullet and let them continue to mature on the big club. Wren and Fredi really don’t seem to have a clue witness the dumpster diving for Sheets and the willingness to plug along with Wilson at SS.
Lemke's Knuckler
July 13th, 2012
10:31 am
JoeFan…”If all you can get out of Sheets is 5 innings then you might as well stay with Minor and Delgado. The Braves have already invested half the season in that duo. Might as well bite the bullet and let them continue to mature on the big club. Wren and Fredi really don’t seem to have a clue witness the dumpster diving for Sheets and the willingness to plug along with Wilson at SS.”
Have you ever invested anything? Picking up Sheets is the equivalent of investing $1 in a stock that could net you a 100x return if all goes well. If it doesn’t, you only lost $1. And the Yankees saw the same pitching session the Braves did and tried to sign him as well. So if Wren and Fredi were dumpster diving, then so was Cashman and Girardi.
Sheets is basically the equivalent of Chris Carpenter. A bulldog, big game pitcher with one of the most unhittable curveballs I’ve ever seen. It was too bad his early career was wasted on lousy Brewer teams. By the time they finally made the playoffs to give Sheets a chance to shine on the big stage, down he goes with the first flexor injury and he had the sit out the division series.
Yogi Berra
July 13th, 2012
10:34 am
I really don’t expect Braves to do much of anything…maybe pick-up another sub par pitcher and get by SS….
Lemke's Knuckler
July 13th, 2012
10:38 am
Yogi Berra…”I really don’t expect Braves to do much of anything…maybe pick-up another sub par pitcher and get by SS….”
That’s the spirit Eeyore!!!
Yogi Berra
July 13th, 2012
10:41 am
just wanna say..I didn’t say Olney said sh*t..you & me and a dog named Blue don’t have a clue who anybody is talking to. All is Rumor can’t you read?
Yogi Berra
July 13th, 2012
10:47 am
Lemke’s knuckler….thanks kid. But money is the problem and has been for a long time. I hope everyday to read where Braves pull off a big deal just like you. I would love to have Zack and Upton but I’ll have to see it to believe it. I’ve been a fan for 46 years and seen it all but nothing big since Tex deal.
bostonbravo
July 13th, 2012
10:47 am
I think Sheets will be good if he has his own personal catcher like Maddog. May I suggest Francisco?? He’s a great big target, kinda like an out of shape Sabathia that ate Prince Fielder for lunch.
bill
July 13th, 2012
10:48 am
If Sheets is ready to pitch and does well what does that say about SPRING TRAINING. Waiting for this team to trade a player is like waiting for the MARTA bus it may come by or it may not but it will be mostly empty.
The Bravery
July 13th, 2012
10:52 am
Driving down from Nashville today gonna catch the weekend series. I think we take our momentum from the Phils right to the Mets. Gonna Chop House it up today and get some good seats tomorrow. Problem is all the hotels around Turner Field are booked solid…..I may be sleeping at the Chop House haha Go Braves!
Yogi Berra
July 13th, 2012
10:56 am
People who do think probably don’t have brains; rather they have gray fluff that’s blown in “their head by mistake.” said Eeyore
Yogi Berra
July 13th, 2012
10:59 am
cool..bill
u are so right.
Yogi Berra
July 13th, 2012
11:00 am
Bravery.
say some money and stay out of downtown and drive in.
Luke
July 13th, 2012
11:10 am
Is Prado capable of playing SS for a couple weeks? If so, you have Diaz in left against Lefties…
The Bravery
July 13th, 2012
11:17 am
Some people like cucumbers better pickle
monty
July 13th, 2012
11:18 am
DAP on Ben Sheets -”nice to see some god results.”
Amen to that!
GaryinBham
July 13th, 2012
11:18 am
Prado is a terrific player and brings heart to this team. He could solve 3b for us next year. Please don’t trade him! Rather sign a couple FA outfielders and keep Martin.
Anxious to see Sheets, but with a long layoff, we should be happy with 6 innings and 3-4 runs the first time out. Plan on scoring in the first inning, guys, and take a little pressure off. if he gives us 5-7 innings a game and a 3.75 ERA we should be thrilled. I’m rooting for him.
DAP
July 13th, 2012
11:25 am
monty, ha. yeah, exactly.
john
July 13th, 2012
11:30 am
M Braves-10 innings- 12 hits-seven runs (only 6 earned), over 5. ERA ,= ready for Big Boys ? Sheets was great when pitching against us but is he actually more ready then Minor ? I hope so, he was dominate when not injured……
Michael Dean
July 13th, 2012
11:50 am
Medlen , of course. They think he can learn to be a starter in the minors. So that someday he will get a chance to regain his old job, in the starting rotation. He must have pi**ed off soebody somewhere. Bye bye Kris.
Ralph
July 13th, 2012
12:08 pm
Prediction for Sheets, 3 ip, 4 runs, 2 SO, 2 BB.