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ncscoots
July 12th, 2012
4:24 pm
You mean like how you guys used to think Billy Wagner was a big mouth choker before Bobby Cox and Frank Wren went to see him on his WV farm and wallah – what an awesome dude Wags is?
Everyone knows that both those things are true.
cricket
July 12th, 2012
4:26 pm
Efrim – agreed. even if it is only a posturing negotiation tactic, it’s not fair that they get rewarded by either making him take less than slot or getting compensation pick next year if they go Loria-cheap and don’t sign him.
Anders
July 12th, 2012
4:26 pm
I saw some comments about “The Franchise” on here. I watched it. How annoying is Loria’s step son who is the president of the team? It’s not bad enough his daddy gave him a MLB team to dabble with but now he has a reality show too? It seemed like more than half the show was him. And that voice of his- like finger nails across a chalk board. I predict Ozzie publicly rips that kid before his days are done there in the Magic City. They couldn’t be more different.
Their GM said about 10 words on the whole show and he sounded incredibly unsure of himself. I still say that team will implode. I know I’m not going out on a limb alone there.
ChattTownBrian
July 12th, 2012
4:27 pm
Efrim is hilarious! Haha. I just spit up my smoothie shake reading his last few posts! Haha.
count_schemula
July 12th, 2012
4:27 pm
Read it and weep… Phillies phans!!!
http://www.forbes.com/sites/prishe/2012/07/10/oakland-pittsburgh-tampa-and-washington-among-2012s-most-cost-efficient-mlb-team-at-all-star-break/
Steve from OH
July 12th, 2012
4:28 pm
It’s horse-bleep.
Absolutely it is. Now, the contracts given to Strasburg, Harper and some of the international guys like Chapman are ridiculous (but hey, it’s the free market. If the Nats wanna break the bank for Stras, it’s their own business), but this is the other extreme. That kid has a legitimate beef in my book.
unbelievable
July 12th, 2012
4:30 pm
Can MLB force a team to pay the slot amount?
Danga
July 12th, 2012
4:32 pm
Loria should be rotting in a prison somewhere.
ChattTownBrian
July 12th, 2012
4:32 pm
Baseball = hit it, catch it, throw it. You guys have to try and make it a big time algebra problem. To me that takes the fun away from one of the few simple things in life.
count_schemula
July 12th, 2012
4:33 pm
“Loria should be rotting in a prison somewhere.”
Agreed. Firing Fredi so he could come to the Braves was a criminal act.
ncscoots
July 12th, 2012
4:34 pm
Can MLB force a team to pay the slot amount?
The whole idea was to force teams to not pay tons of money to draftees. I doubt that there is a provision that says the opposite. The checks that are in place are designed to punish teams that spend more than allowed, not less.
unbelievable
July 12th, 2012
4:37 pm
What prevents teams during a weak draft year to do exactly whats being done to this kid?
VaBravesFan
July 12th, 2012
4:39 pm
I would offer Prado this.
4 year 33 mil
2013 6 mil
2014 8 mil
2015 9 mil
2016 10 mil
Hillbilly
July 12th, 2012
4:39 pm
That kid has a legitimate beef in my book.
He sure does, but if I’m him and I’m seeing how the Marlins operate, I would be wondering if this is the organization I want holding the keys to my career. I understand at this point nothing is given and a kid his age just wants to play pro ball, but if he fights back and wins, how will the Marlins treat him? They have proven to act petty on other occasions. I mean, they wouldn’t even give future HOFer Bobby Cox a farewell video tribute. How are they going to treat a no-named kid who showed them up?
Trader Jack
July 12th, 2012
4:42 pm
count_schemula
July 12th, 2012
4:27 pm
Read it and weep… Phillies phans!!!
http://www.forbes.com/sites/prishe/2012/07/10/oakland-pittsburgh-tampa-and-washington-among-2012s-most-cost-efficient-mlb-team-at-all-star-break/
I’ll take a cost inefficient team and a world series win or two over most of those losers in the top 10
cricket
July 12th, 2012
4:44 pm
Loria and step-son pretty much makes marlins least classiest org in all of baseball. but the kid would also like to get his money now. you never know if he makes it to the show or drops in next draft due to injury etc. that’s what may compel him to take less.
Lew
July 12th, 2012
4:44 pm
What stops the kid from not signing and entering the draft again next year?
Hillbilly
July 12th, 2012
4:47 pm
cricket,
That’s what I was getting at. He really has been painted into a corner. Risk draft positioning or be at the mercy of a front office that acts like a spoiled teenage girl.
Lew
July 12th, 2012
4:49 pm
Maybe he sdhuld take it up with the MLBPA who were partners to the CBA that put him in this position?
ncscoots
July 12th, 2012
4:49 pm
but the kid would also like to get his money now. you never know if he makes it to the show or drops in next draft due to injury etc. that’s what may compel him to take less.
You bet. There’s value in risk, that’s the way it works. If the kid wants to forgo the risk, then he accepts less return. I’m not saying the kid isn’t getting stuck, but MLBPA doesn’t care about that. These aren’t union members, and may never be. Less money in the draft theoretically means more money for bona-fide ML players, and that was players’ focus in the new CBA.
cricket
July 12th, 2012
4:50 pm
kid has earned that slot amount this year. by next draft, he could suffer injury and drop down in the draft.
at the least, he should get that 0.1% interest on his millions for the year
cricket
July 12th, 2012
4:51 pm
Less money in the draft theoretically means more money for bona-fide ML players, and that was players’ focus in the new CBA.
absolutely correct
Lew
July 12th, 2012
4:52 pm
scoots – Exactly. Lots of talk about th ownership being the bad guys here (and yes, the Lurias are jerks of the highest magnitude), but it was the Vets in MLB that hung the kids out to dry when they signed off on the CBA.
MiaBchBravesFan
July 12th, 2012
4:55 pm
Calling the Luria’s “jerks” is like saying that Paterno “made a mistake”.
Danga
July 12th, 2012
4:55 pm
I want to watch a series of video clips entitled funniest video from MLB’s first half, but I don’t get to do so because MLB blocks them all on copyright claims. Drives me crazy that I can’t you tube great plays by Ozzie Smith or watch Tyler Clippard fall down. Just stupid and I don’t see anyway that this is a good thing for MLB.
Lew
July 12th, 2012
4:55 pm
One comment about the entire Penn State fiasco.
I’ve missed my Uncle Lew every day since he died at age 91 in 2001 and wished I could still talk to him – until now. He was a Penn Stae and Joe Paterno fan – lived mere miles from the Penn Stae campus. This situation would have killed him.
Efrim
July 12th, 2012
4:57 pm
Both players union and the owners are to blame for the new CBA. The vets absolteuly just gave the finger to every kid 18 and younger.
What sucks is that the Marlins just get the #10 pick in the draft next year. Plus their original pick. Players have very little leverage at all here. That’s sort of the whole idea of why the CBA sucks arse.
Lew
July 12th, 2012
4:58 pm
MiaBch – You call them whatever you want to and I won’t argue with you – just figured that was descriptive enough to make my point about who signed the CBA leading to that particular issue.
ncscoots
July 12th, 2012
4:58 pm
Didn’t the Braves pay more to their second pick than their first pick? I’m hazy there, but that’s what I’m thinking.
Maybe the Marlins have gone high on some of their other picks and now have to scale back on their unsigneds to keep from busting the penalty barrier. Not likely, knowing the org, but I guess it’s possible. You guys will have to pardon me, but I got zero interest in actually looking it up.
Efrim
July 12th, 2012
4:59 pm
And apparently, next years draft is worse than this years crop – and this years crop was underwelming.
I still want two picks for the first time since….oh, I don’t know, Rafael Furcal left?
MiaBchBravesFan
July 12th, 2012
4:59 pm
If the Marlins implode, Anders, it couldn’t happen to a sweller ownership/management group. If ya ever need to track ‘em, just follow the stinking slime. The fact that they won a ring shakes anyone’s faith system to its core.
Efrim
July 12th, 2012
5:00 pm
Didn’t the Braves pay more to their second pick than their first pick? I’m hazy there, but that’s what I’m thinking.
Sims got like 1.6 million? I think. Wood got 700K – which was 117K above slot bonus for #85, but the Braves used the savings on Sims(his slot was like 200K higher) for Wood, Lien, Sanchez. Also, getting college kids like Dodig and Peterson to sign for less helped them offer more to Wood, Lien and Fern-gully.
Efrim
July 12th, 2012
5:01 pm
Screw it. Good for us that the Marlins didn’t have a 1st or 2nd rounder this past year. However I feel bad for Heaney.
ncscoots
July 12th, 2012
5:03 pm
Thanks, Efrim, I guess that was what I was unclear on: under slot for one and over slot for the other, not the gross amounts.
MiaBchBravesFan
July 12th, 2012
5:03 pm
Don’t feel bad for Heaney. He’ll get great OJT with the fish, then bolt to pitch for either the Cards, Astros, or Rangers in five years or so. If he’s not traded sooner.
MiaBchBravesFan
July 12th, 2012
5:05 pm
TODAY is the worst day of the year! A second day without Braves’ baseball… or a new blog!
ncscoots
July 12th, 2012
5:05 pm
still want two picks for the first time since
Man, if Bourn re-signs, I think you’re gonna be heart-broken, LOL.
Efrim
July 12th, 2012
5:05 pm
I sure hope Conner Lien and Fernelys Sanchez end up as something. Both have the athleticism to be great defenders in the outfield. Run the bases well. Take a walk. Just not sure if the hit tool will be there for either player.
Efrim
July 12th, 2012
5:06 pm
Man, if Bourn re-signs, I think you’re gonna be heart-broken, LOL.
It’ll be an overpay, so I won’t be doing cartwheels. But, they should be all-in, so why not, right?……..
nolie
July 12th, 2012
5:10 pm
seems to me the question is more about how well Penn St will survive all the civil suits rather than what the NCAA will do
Efrim
July 12th, 2012
5:10 pm
jaysonst Jayson Stark
Execs of 2 teams who spoke to Cubs this week say they’re mentioning Bryan LaHair’s name regularly in trade talks. Since 5/15: .220/.278/.341
jaysonst Jayson Stark
Clubs that have spoken with the #Orioles say they’ve shifted away from Matt Garza. Now poking around on Jason Vargas
Efrim
July 12th, 2012
5:11 pm
I know nolie is there with me on Bourn, I like him, but there is no way I’d overpay for his services. I know we don’t have someone to fill CF for 2013 – but I don’t care. Not paying what it’ll take to keep that guy. No way.
cricket
July 12th, 2012
5:13 pm
Because of an exclusive sponsorship deal with McDonald’s, none of the other 800 food retailers on the grounds of 40 Olympic sites will be allowed to sell “chips or french fries” during the fortnight of the Games. It’s part of a contract with the American fast-food giant that gives it exclusivity in the market.
Danga
July 12th, 2012
5:13 pm
Why is Vargas a guy teams want?
cricket
July 12th, 2012
5:14 pm
i’m not overpaying for Bourn either. nolie, efrim and i just saved a bunch of money
count_schemula
July 12th, 2012
5:14 pm
We had a minimum wage pothead in CF. I hope we get a drunk this time.
Trader Jack
July 12th, 2012
5:15 pm
Jeffrey Loria, art dealer. Yeah right, that Rube Goldberg contraption in left center, looks like something Murph’s 4 year old would design
nolie
July 12th, 2012
5:16 pm
good question Danga. lefty I guess. 88 ERA+ is not so hot
unbelievable
July 12th, 2012
5:17 pm
Why is Vargas a guy teams want?
Innings eating lefty I guess. He’s sucked for most of his career in away games though.
Murph
July 12th, 2012
5:17 pm
Jeffrey Loria, art dealer. Yeah right, that Rube Goldberg contraption in left center, looks like something Murph’s 4 year old would design
Lucky for you she’s on vacation… she wouldn’t take too kindly to that. The 4 year old prides herself on her artistic abilities, and there’s no way she’d put her name on that, that, thing.
Trader Jack
July 12th, 2012
5:19 pm
Sorry Murph, she probably has more class than that damn thing
VaBravesFan
July 12th, 2012
5:20 pm
The most I would be ok with the Braves paying Bourn is around 11 mil a season.
Efrim
July 12th, 2012
5:21 pm
Vargas has given up way too many home runs. And he pitches in Safeco Field for crying out loud. No thanks. We already have a polished, left-handed starter.
Efrim
July 12th, 2012
5:22 pm
The most I would be ok with the Braves paying Bourn is around 11 mil a season.
I’d probably give him the same AAV that the qualifying offer will be – but over 4 years. He ain’t signing for that little. Not unless he tanks it bad in the second half.
unbelievable
July 12th, 2012
5:22 pm
Bryan LaHair’s name regularly in trade talks. Since 5/15: .220/.278/.341
Sad thing is thats a upgrade over Eric Hinske. Since 05/01… 12 for 76, .157avg 6RBI’s 24K’s
Bama Brave
July 12th, 2012
5:25 pm
So Far This Season Michael Bourn is Our MVP.
Efrim
July 12th, 2012
5:27 pm
If you were ranking this upcoming free agent class, you’d probably go:
Hamels
Hamilton
Bourn
Greinke
Or maybe flip Bourn and Greinke. But I think those are the clear Top 4 free agents.
VaBravesFan
July 12th, 2012
5:27 pm
For me 4 years 44 mil with a option for a 5th year would be high as I’d go on Bourn.
Braves will do the qualifying offer and the will get a draft pick. I think there is Zero chance of us getting burned this time. And actually I wouldn’t really mind having Bourn in 2013 for 12.5 million if he did accept.
Efrim
July 12th, 2012
5:27 pm
And I’d honestly consider Anibal Sanchez as #5.
Lew
July 12th, 2012
5:28 pm
Maybe Co- MVP with Martin Prado.
count_schemula
July 12th, 2012
5:28 pm
I want the one I can’t have
And it’s driving me mad
Efrim
July 12th, 2012
5:29 pm
And actually I wouldn’t really mind having Bourn in 2013 for 12.5 million if he did accept.
No “I wouldn’t really” about it. Absolutely nothing wrong with one year deals. Less years is a good thing for players over 30.
nolie
July 12th, 2012
5:29 pm
annabelle? thats a girlyname. we caint have no girly names on our team
jeffrey d
July 12th, 2012
5:30 pm
annabelle? thats a girlyname. we caint have no girly names on our team
Is that why we got rid of KJ?
unbelievable
July 12th, 2012
5:30 pm
Our bench since 05/01
Hinske 12 for 76 .157avg 6RBI’s
Wilson 9 for 43 .209avg 1RBI’s
Fransisco 18 for 82 .219avg 10RBI’s
Diaz 18 for 79 .227 avg 9RBI’s
Ross 16 for 61 .262avg 3RBI’s
VaBravesFan
July 12th, 2012
5:31 pm
Bourn is gonna get 5 year offers over 60 million from other teams. Wouldn’t be surprised to see some team offer 6 years. With so much interest in him he will easily get overpaid.
nolie
July 12th, 2012
5:31 pm
I’m telli’ youse guys, Frankie still wakes up in a cold sweat over Soriano accepting arb…..
count_schemula
July 12th, 2012
5:32 pm
“I’m telli’ youse guys, Frankie still wakes up in a cold sweat over Soriano accepting arb…..”
We paid for that elbow.
Twice.
Efrim
July 12th, 2012
5:34 pm
I’m telli’ youse guys, Frankie still wakes up in a cold sweat over Soriano accepting arb…..
I’ve actually come around on it, nolie. It’d be the worst decision the history of bad baseball decisions if they didn’t make the qualifying offer. A fireable offense. Stupidity to the highest extreme.
VaBravesFan
July 12th, 2012
5:34 pm
Also to add, if Bourn did accept the qualifying offer and we had other plans he’d still have alot of trade value if they wanted to go in a different direction.
Trader Jack
July 12th, 2012
5:36 pm
Efrim
Anibal Sanchez is an enigma. Has shown flashes of brilliance, and also has been downright dreadful. He may need a change of scenery,
Murph
July 12th, 2012
5:36 pm
Is there a worse bench in all of baseball? Yikes!
brian
July 12th, 2012
5:39 pm
Bourn will get $12-15 million for 4-5 years
brian
July 12th, 2012
5:39 pm
I still say get Jon Lester and Daniel Bard – both could use a change of scenery
nolie
July 12th, 2012
5:41 pm
yeah well Soriano had trade value too except we dumped him too quick to realize it…..
brian
July 12th, 2012
5:41 pm
with the new rules in place, where does Bourn qualify as a free agent? Type A??
Easy decision on whether or not to offer him arbitraton. If we cannot resign him I will sure love seeing the extra pick(s) in the draft for the Braves
One-Eyed Mac
July 12th, 2012
5:41 pm
DOB: Any word on a replacement for Simmons? Do you think they’re looking outside for a SS or are they just waiting so Pastornicky can get another game in tonight for Gwinnett?
VaBravesFan
July 12th, 2012
5:44 pm
But in Soriano’s case, teams knew we had to dump him. We had no leverage really. Not like we could say the offers are not enough were gonna keep him and pay him 10% of our budget.
If Bourn did accept it, it would be a whole different story.
count_schemula
July 12th, 2012
5:44 pm
“or are they just waiting so Pastornicky can get another game in tonight for Gwinnett?”
My guess. Unless… hack gets the nod tomorrow.
unbelievable
July 12th, 2012
5:45 pm
Worst thing about our bench -
Hinske vs RH .224/.295/.306
Fransisco vs RH .211/.253/.456
Diaz vs LH .278/.333/.417
Steve from OH
July 12th, 2012
5:45 pm
Boy, it sure looks like Sandusky isn’t going to be the only Penn State employee to go to jail…
unbelievable
July 12th, 2012
5:45 pm
who is the hack?
count_schemula
July 12th, 2012
5:49 pm
Hack Wilson.
nolie
July 12th, 2012
5:49 pm
they just signed Cal Ripkin and are waiting til tomorrow to announce ie
jeffrey d
July 12th, 2012
5:54 pm
Hack Wilson.
Tomahawkin?
nolie
July 12th, 2012
5:56 pm
no, Chicago HOFer
jeffrey d
July 12th, 2012
5:57 pm
Tomahawkin lives in Chicago?
Anders
July 12th, 2012
5:59 pm
Boy, it sure looks like Sandusky isn’t going to be the only Penn State employee to go to jail…
(Steve from OH)
They all should go to jail for turning their backs on those kids to keep that outdated and overhyped football program flush.
Put the living guys in the same cell block with Sandusky and let them shower together. Take down Paterno’s statue and replace it one of him in the See No Evil, Hear No Evil, Say No Evil monkey pose outside the stadium as a reminder to all those Penn fans of what Joe Pa was really about.
CB
July 12th, 2012
6:00 pm
Holds the NL record for that insignificant stat. RBIs.
jeffrey d
July 12th, 2012
6:01 pm
Tomahawkin does?
count_schemula
July 12th, 2012
6:02 pm
Who’s in Chicago?
jeffrey d
July 12th, 2012
6:03 pm
Jerry Springer
CB
July 12th, 2012
6:03 pm
No, Tomahawkin holds the record for most Bank On Its!
Danga
July 12th, 2012
6:03 pm
they just signed Cal Ripkin and are waiting til tomorrow to announce ie
Nice.
count_schemula
July 12th, 2012
6:05 pm
What’s on second?
nolie
July 12th, 2012
6:05 pm
I don’t even know Whos on first….
count_schemula
July 12th, 2012
6:05 pm
Cal does have about the same range as Pastor.
nolie
July 12th, 2012
6:06 pm
Frank was gonna announce it today but Cal was late for the bus……
unbelievable
July 12th, 2012
6:06 pm
Hack Wilson
Gotcha. I hope everyone hasnt forgotten just how bad the Pastor was at SS.
count_schemula
July 12th, 2012
6:08 pm
All this post-pre hate for Pastor.