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cricket
July 12th, 2012
3:11 pm
is JoePoz still going to write that book about JoePa?
Ward
July 12th, 2012
3:12 pm
Shawn – We throw in The Terd, and Minor, or Teharan. Arizona might go along with it. Justin Upton, I’m on board…….
ncscoots
July 12th, 2012
3:12 pm
My point is that he would hit the same or better; would provide just as much or more offensive value. It just wouldn’t show up in his basic numbers.
All-righty, then. We can start pre-hating that sumbee this very moment.
Maybe a little park-adjusted pre-hate would be in order.
count_schemula
July 12th, 2012
3:13 pm
How can a school be that great and a football program be that storied, and this is the end result.
Terrible.
count_schemula
July 12th, 2012
3:13 pm
“Maybe a little park-adjusted pre-hate would be in order.”
I lol’d
unbelievable
July 12th, 2012
3:14 pm
The Diamondbacks have better pitching prospects than the Braves do. I dont really buy the fact that we could be good trade partners for Upton. Also, these lineups that have Prado and Upton both in it dont work. You arent getting Upton without trading Prado. Even then, it still doesnt make sense. Arizona will want to load up on position players.
Frankie
July 12th, 2012
3:15 pm
Shaun
July 12th, 2012
3:09 pm
Shaun of course most num,bers would drop, I am simply pointing out to some easily excited folks that he will not hit here like there. It doesn’t matter that anybody’s numbers would drop, what does matter is what he would procuce here as compared to whoever else is considered who would likely not be from ‘zona.
My point is that he would hit the same or better; would provide just as much or more offensive value. It just wouldn’t show up in his basic numbers.
That doesn’t mean I think the Braves should trade for him, especially if it involves Prado and prospects. But the dream of Justin Upton playing for the Braves should be exciting. My point is the reason to tame excitement is not that Upton would be less valuable here than there. The reason to take the excitement is that it would take a lot to get Upton and that trading Prado and prospects for him probably doesn’t help the Braves
Somebody program Reggie Jackson and make him behave like he did in “The Naked Gun”
Ward
July 12th, 2012
3:15 pm
Shuan – All Arizona is asking for,is two pitching prospects, or a pitching prospect, and a 3rd baseman.
cricket
July 12th, 2012
3:17 pm
what do you think, Efrim?
Marlins have ended negotiations with No. 9 overall pick Andrew Heaney out of Oklahoma State. The reasoning; Heaney appears to be holding out for the MLB produced slot value of his pick, $2.8 million, while the Marlins are offering less.
So, Heaney is left with the choice of taking less money than MLB decided he was worth where he was picked or going back to school or pitching in indy ball and risking losing a couple of million dollars if he gets hurt.
And this is where major league teams have way too much leverage right now; the Marlins can lowball Heaney knowing that they’ll be compensated with the 10th (or 11th or 12th) pick in next year’s draft if they don’t sign him.
The Marlins aren’t lacking for funds, and what they’re doing now is probably all part of the negotiating process. But if the reports are true, Heaney isn’t asking for anything excessive. This isn’t a Mark Appel situation, where the pitcher wants more than the team can offer. It’s simply a team wielding more power than it should have been given in the first place.
ncscoots
July 12th, 2012
3:17 pm
I dont really buy the fact that we could be good trade partners for Upton.
They aren’t. But it’s a two-day AS break, and we’ve chewed the cud of everything else to the size of a pea. No-chance imbecilic trade proposals are about all we got left, brother.
Ward
July 12th, 2012
3:19 pm
I would never give up Prado……
Danga
July 12th, 2012
3:20 pm
IF we traded for Upton, it would be he who got moved to LF, not Heyward.
cricket
July 12th, 2012
3:20 pm
one more interesting prospect story –
http://sports.yahoo.com/news/mlb-will-uphold-rangers–contract-with-jairo-beras-but-suspend-dominican-prospect-one-year-for-age-fraud.html
Major League Baseball will uphold Dominican teenager Jairo Beras’ $4.5 million contract with the Texas Rangers but suspend him for a year after the league determined he had lied about his age, sources told Yahoo! Sports.
The investigation into his age and identity stretched more than four months after the Rangers stunned the baseball world in February by announcing a contract with Beras, whom the team said was 17 years old. At its showcase in the Dominican Republic earlier in the month, MLB had presented Beras as a 16-year-old, ineligible to sign until July 2. The roster of players included the following warning: “Birth dates have not been confirmed by MLB.”
ncscoots
July 12th, 2012
3:21 pm
It’s simply a team wielding more power than it should have been given in the first place.
Then all current and subsequent draftees should refuse to join the MLBPA upon receiving a major league contract, since it was their possibly-future brethren who gave the clubs that power.
cricket
July 12th, 2012
3:21 pm
I would never give up Prado……
not even for your dream – Greinke?
Ward
July 12th, 2012
3:22 pm
Danga – Either way I’m on Board for Justin Upton.
Shaun
July 12th, 2012
3:22 pm
Ward, we know what Arizona is asking for?
cricket
July 12th, 2012
3:23 pm
Wow..Dave Duncan looks like done as pitching coach. always really liked him.
count_schemula
July 12th, 2012
3:24 pm
La Russa looked like he had spent some time in the easy chair as well.
Danga
July 12th, 2012
3:24 pm
Simply put, those Nats are F-N scary.
:yawn:
Ward
July 12th, 2012
3:24 pm
cricket – Prado is becoming a favorite of mine…….
ncscoots
July 12th, 2012
3:25 pm
:yawn:
Danga ain’t shook, neither.
count_schemula
July 12th, 2012
3:26 pm
Gattis!!!!! Why aren’t you ready!
Make us forget about Upton!
unbelievable
July 12th, 2012
3:27 pm
What would a realistic extension for Prado look like? 5/$45?
count_schemula
July 12th, 2012
3:29 pm
Prado is 28.
3b is weak in all of baseball.
Arb is $7M.
5/45 would be $9M/year and leave him at 33.
Due to positional scarcity… he could go for more.
ncbravesfan90
July 12th, 2012
3:32 pm
I think 5/$45 is a stretch for Prado…
count_schemula
July 12th, 2012
3:33 pm
Also, Prado can play 2b, 3b, LF and a wee bit of 1b.
5/60 or 6/72 seems possible.
Bat Masterson
July 12th, 2012
3:35 pm
What are the odds Penn State gets the “death penalty”?
Ward
July 12th, 2012
3:36 pm
All, have a good one! nolie – Just had to think about Justin Upton. I hope Wren, can do his magic? Peace my friends……..Good talking, and talk later tonight……”Go!!!!!Braves!!!!!”
ncscoots
July 12th, 2012
3:36 pm
5/60 or 6/72 seems possible.
Wow. $12MM AAV seems a little much.
ncbravesfan90
July 12th, 2012
3:36 pm
“5/60 or 6/72 seems possible.”
If Prado is going to command that much then I definitely say trade him, I’d rather pay 2 million dollars more and have Justin Upton who is also 4 years younger and a much higher ceiling.
cricket
July 12th, 2012
3:37 pm
i like Prado’s agent..all the way up to 12mil per now..
count_schemula
July 12th, 2012
3:38 pm
“What are the odds Penn State gets the “death penalty”?”
It’s pretty bad.
I feel for all the people who could care less about football but have a great Penn State degree and education.
Bat Masterson
July 12th, 2012
3:38 pm
Also, Prado can play 2b, 3b, LF and a wee bit of 1b.
5/60 or 6/72 seems possible.
I’ll miss him
Danga
July 12th, 2012
3:39 pm
What are the odds Penn State gets the “death penalty”?
3%
count_schemula
July 12th, 2012
3:40 pm
“Wow. $12MM AAV seems a little much.”
Uggla is $12M. People think it’s a steal.
Prado is younger, more versatile and… 3B is crazy weak in all of baseball.
It is a “little much” but… look at 3b around baseball.
ncscoots
July 12th, 2012
3:41 pm
I’ll miss him
But think about how much fun we’ll have hating on him for the disloyal way he took the money and ran.
Maybe we can call that “post-hate”.
Steve from OH
July 12th, 2012
3:42 pm
What are the odds Penn State gets the “death penalty”?
That they’re not allowed to have a football team? Low. The economic ramifications of that would be enormous and the NCAA would have to be very strong to withstand the backlash from pulling a high-handed move like that. And with the amount of dissent over the BCS/playoff debate and the other scandals that have been going on, I doubt they’re willing to risk something as profound as that.
Now Penn State receiving heavy sanctions? Oh yeah, they’re going to be in as much (or more) hot water as Ohio State is.
cricket
July 12th, 2012
3:43 pm
he may take the money and run, but you can rest assured, he will run hard..guy’s just really committed to whatever he’s doing
ncscoots
July 12th, 2012
3:43 pm
Uggla is $12M. People think it’s a steal.
Uh, that would be because, it is. I hardly think that Uggla and Prado are comparables.
ncbravesfan90
July 12th, 2012
3:43 pm
Ryan Braun at the same age of Prado is making 7.4 million dollars this year, and people think Prado will get close to this?
Steve from OH
July 12th, 2012
3:44 pm
What’s lost in all this is the PAC-10, Big 12 and SEC are sure to benefit from the Big 10 having two of its premiere schools in NCAA purgatory. Even if Urban Meyer is at Ohio State.
unbelievable
July 12th, 2012
3:45 pm
Edwin Encarnacion, 29, just signed a 3 year deal for $29, with a 4yr $10 mil option. He’s got a career line of .264/.341/.465, but he’s always played in hitters parks. Prado, 28, has a career line of .297/.347/.438 and can play multiple positions. Id be fine offering him the same deal or an extra year.
count_schemula
July 12th, 2012
3:48 pm
If .220 30HR is a “steal” at $12MM
How is .310 18HR at a weak position worth only ~$7MM ?
cricket
July 12th, 2012
3:50 pm
when did Prado hit 18HR?
Bat Masterson
July 12th, 2012
3:51 pm
Maybe we can call that “post-hate”.
Might be kind if hard to hate on Prado but I’ll not think kindly of the one that pays him that.
count_schemula
July 12th, 2012
3:52 pm
Sorry, ~15HR.
monty
July 12th, 2012
3:53 pm
Will Penn St. get the death nail?
Fair chance in my book, it’s the worse sports scandal of all time. What you do to a school who turned a blind eye to innocent kids getting sodomized? In this climate of political correctness messages are constantly being sent, media will not let it go. Maximum penalty coming up.
CrαZy
July 12th, 2012
3:53 pm
Ward, we know what Arizona is asking for?
Ward is all knowing!! Dudes got connections.
cricket
July 12th, 2012
3:54 pm
Encarnacion is averaging 26 HR, Prado 12. Anyway, I would love to extend Prado for 4/32 or 5/40
unbelievable
July 12th, 2012
3:54 pm
According to War values, Prado has been worth an average of $14m per for the last 4 seasons.
Efrim
July 12th, 2012
3:55 pm
Ain’t no way I’m handing Prado 12 m a year. That’s insanity to the highest degree.
monty
July 12th, 2012
3:55 pm
Ryan Braun is the steal of the century at 7 mil. Prado at 7 mil would be a fair deal.
cricket
July 12th, 2012
3:55 pm
Prado is avg. 12 HR, 15 was his highest. I can see him avg. 15 HR.
count_schemula
July 12th, 2012
3:55 pm
How could Penn St. ever play a TV game again?
count_schemula
July 12th, 2012
3:56 pm
“Ryan Braun is the steal of the century at 7 mil. Prado at 7 mil would be a fair deal.”
That McCutchen deal is damn close.
unbelievable
July 12th, 2012
3:56 pm
Encarnacion is averaging 26 HR
No he doesnt
ncbravesfan90
July 12th, 2012
3:56 pm
“Ain’t no way I’m handing Prado 12 m a year. That’s insanity to the highest degree.”
THIS.
Efrim
July 12th, 2012
3:58 pm
Rival executives say Diamondbacks officials are willing to consider offers for Upton because they are not convinced that he is a winning player, Ken Rosenthal of FOX Sports writes. Rosenthal predicts the Diamondbacks will trade Upton for a package of players including a young third baseman or shortstop and Major League help.
Other than the Rangers and Angels, I’m not sure what team fits here. I do think the Angels could make this work though. 3B prospect Kaleb Cowart, although he is far away. They have pieces.
CrαZy
July 12th, 2012
3:58 pm
Will Penn St. get the death nail?
I’ve never seen a more deserving case than the one Penn State has created for themselves!! I hope they get the death penalty, because if they don’t the NCAA in my opinion loses a bunch of credibility!!
How can they give a school the death penalty for paying players…. ect..(Things that seem minor compared to this) and not to a school that knowingly covered something like this up for years.
cricket
July 12th, 2012
4:00 pm
Encarnacion is averaging 26 HR
No he doesnt
that’s his 162-game average, according to baseball reference
Danga
July 12th, 2012
4:00 pm
How could Penn St. ever play a TV game again?
Easy. Lots of people will watch it.
Efrim
July 12th, 2012
4:00 pm
Max amount I’d give Prado this offseason – 4 years, 36 million. 7.5 million in 2013, 9.5 million 2014-2016.
Efrim
July 12th, 2012
4:01 pm
No 2017 guarantee and under 10 million AAV a year for Prado. I’d hold to that.
ncscoots
July 12th, 2012
4:02 pm
Rival executives say Diamondbacks officials are willing to consider offers for Upton because they are not convinced that he is a winning player,
Holy smokes, that’s worse than not being “clutch”.
Steve from OH
July 12th, 2012
4:03 pm
Easy. Lots of people will watch it.
Exactly. Banning Morehouse from playing soccer is an entirely different from banning Penn State from football. While I’m not saying that Penn State doesn’t deserve the death penalty, I’d say the NCAA will need some serious balls to actually do it.
count_schemula
July 12th, 2012
4:03 pm
“because they are not convinced that he is a winning player,”
more or less why I thought he was on the block anyhow…
but with Bourn and Heyward… he’d grow up.
unbelievable
July 12th, 2012
4:03 pm
that’s his 162-game average, according to baseball reference
Fine, but he never plays 162 games. He’s only played 140 games just 1 time in his 8 year career. He’s only played 120 games 3 times. He cant stay healthy.
cricket
July 12th, 2012
4:05 pm
i think you guys are underestimating the rage people have over the child molestation cover-up at penn st. i won’t be surprised at death penalty.
cricket
July 12th, 2012
4:06 pm
Happy 75th Birthday Bill Cosby
David O'Brien
July 12th, 2012
4:07 pm
i think you guys are underestimating the rage people have over the child molestation cover-up at penn st. i won’t be surprised at death penalty. — cricket
I’d be surprised, but not shocked if the death penalty is handed down. And frankly, I think it should be.
Anders
July 12th, 2012
4:07 pm
“Ryan Braun is the steal of the century at 7 mil. Prado at 7 mil would be a fair deal.”
That McCutchen deal is damn close.(Count Schemula)
How about R. A. Dickey at $4.25 mil this year and $5 mil next year? I’ll cast my vote there.
Trader Jack
July 12th, 2012
4:07 pm
Penn State will not get the death penalty, way too much money involved. The SMU scandal was 25 years ago and the NCAA has learned much from that point in time. PSU will get some harsh penalties but that will be it
unbelievable
July 12th, 2012
4:09 pm
Prado is on pace to have a .800+OPS for 4 out of his past 5 seasons. Encarnacion is on pace to do it for the 3rd time in his career.
O.M.G.
July 12th, 2012
4:11 pm
Does anyone know what the process/timeline is for the NCAA to make a decision?
Danga
July 12th, 2012
4:12 pm
How about R. A. Dickey at $4.25 mil this year and $5 mil next year?
Though before this season, I bet you were thinking more like why are we paying this trick baller 9.5 million to pitch for us the next 2 seasons?
ncscoots
July 12th, 2012
4:12 pm
Purely for the sake of argument, how many 3Bs are making $12MM a year? Three? Four? For the life of me, I can’t see Prado as being thought of, and paid like, one the top five 3Bs in the game.
Efrim
July 12th, 2012
4:13 pm
Prado is on pace to have a .800+OPS for 4 out of his past 5 seasons.
Fair point. Maybe I’d give him 10 million AAV over his first 3 free agent seasons.
When you start getting up there to 12 a year, I’m sorry – I know it’s just 2 mill, but Martin can play out the year and walk if that’s the case.
Efrim
July 12th, 2012
4:13 pm
Purely for the sake of argument, how many 3Bs are making $12MM a year? Three? Four? For the life of me, I can’t see Prado as being thought of, and paid like, one the top five 3Bs in the game.
Nailed it.
cricket
July 12th, 2012
4:14 pm
dude, i know Encarnacion’s weaknesses compared to Prado. wasn’t really comparing them, only pointing out to someone that Encar. has more homer power and hence got paid, in spite of all other issues. basically, the homer power covered up all his issues and made him money.
i hope braves can sign prado somewhere around 4/32 or 5/40.
Steve from OH
July 12th, 2012
4:14 pm
OMG:
http://deadspin.com/5925525/the-ncaa-is-reading-the-freeh-report-very-closely
Dan Uggla's nostrils
July 12th, 2012
4:15 pm
Wren still ain’t made a trade yet? Damn! He needs to get on the ball, get movin’! I mean I leave for a while, come back, and we’re still the same exact team. I’m giving him all my patience, but it’s wearing very thin.
Efrim
July 12th, 2012
4:16 pm
Prado would rank 4th in OPS right now among 3rd baseman in all of the majors. But this is his peak and paying him 12 million a year for 5 friggin years is a terrible idea.
Hell, Uggla’s AAV is 12.5 million.
Anders
July 12th, 2012
4:17 pm
I’d be surprised, but not shocked if the death penalty is handed down. And frankly, I think it should be.(DOB)
I agree on both counts. If the NCAA is serious about dissuading other universities from covering up atrocities like this then they have to give out a penalty that exceeds the outcome the violators were trying to avoid in the first place. Otherwise what the Penn State officials did was worth the risk. I’m not condoning it just giving my opinion on how the punishment should be meted out and why.
cricket
July 12th, 2012
4:17 pm
Hell, Uggla’s AAV is 12.5 million.
that’s a bat signal for uggla haters
Efrim
July 12th, 2012
4:17 pm
Thinking about Uggla’s deal makes me believe even more that Prado isn’t getting as much as we think.
Efrim
July 12th, 2012
4:18 pm
Actually, Uggla’s AAV is 12.4 million.
ChattTownBrian
July 12th, 2012
4:20 pm
What we need is more cow bell!
cricket
July 12th, 2012
4:20 pm
Efrim – did you see my 3:17pm post about marlins’ no. 9 pick?
Anders
July 12th, 2012
4:21 pm
Though before this season, I bet you were thinking more like why are we paying this trick baller 9.5 million to pitch for us the next 2 seasons? (Danga)
You mean like how you guys used to think Billy Wagner was a big mouth choker before Bobby Cox and Frank Wren went to see him on his WV farm and wallah – what an awesome dude Wags is? Yeah, like that I guess. {:
ncscoots
July 12th, 2012
4:21 pm
Thinking about Uggla’s deal makes me believe even more that Prado isn’t getting as much as we think.
Well, I think the count was the only guy who was positing an eight-figure payday for the guy, and I think even he said “possibly”. I believe everyone else is leaning a shade lower.
You can rest easy, Efrim.
Efrim
July 12th, 2012
4:21 pm
Can someone explain to me why it’s fair to Heaney that the Marlins aren’t offering slot? I mean, these are the recommended slot bonus given by Major league Baseball and the Marlins are refusing to sign him to such a number. I think it’s BS and I think Heaney should sue major league baseball and the Marlins. It’s horse-bleep.
unbelievable
July 12th, 2012
4:22 pm
But this is his peak and paying him 12 million a year for 5 friggin years is a terrible idea.
Agree, thats why I said 5/$45
O.M.G.
July 12th, 2012
4:22 pm
Steve, thanks
Efrim
July 12th, 2012
4:22 pm
cricket, just answered. Although I was being a bit dramatic.
Still think it’s horse-bleep.
unbelievable
July 12th, 2012
4:22 pm
or 4/$36 with an option
cricket
July 12th, 2012
4:23 pm
Actually, in case of count, thinking about Uggla’s deal made him believe Prado is getting way more
count_schemula
July 12th, 2012
4:24 pm
“and I think even he said “possibly”
3b is weak all over was where my inflation came from.
He also get’s $1M for his attitude. You want this guy on your team. I do anyhow.
CB
July 12th, 2012
4:24 pm
Efrim, agreed on Heaney. MLB needs to step in on this.
Efrim
July 12th, 2012
4:24 pm
I wouldn’t offer five years for Prado, but we’ll see. The team needs to extend him, that much we can all agree on. Just hope it’s not for more than 9-10 million over 4 years.