4:07 pm July 9, 2012, by Chris Vivlamore
July 9th, 20125:59 pm
The thing you guys are kinda missing is that the stopgap SS could also be a bench upgrade over Wilson and it’s not going to cost much of anything in trade to acquire said SS.
Frank, that’s nice in the abstract, but who’s out there that Wren can get cheaply and is an upgrade over Wilson/Pastornicky?
July 9th, 20126:04 pm
Obviously you haven’t read my previous posts in which I mentioned a couple possible options: Brendan Ryan and Jamey Carroll. Ryan is excellent defensively. Carroll is solid defensively and has hit .291 and .290 the past two years (.274 career hitter). Both guys are veterans on teams going nowhere so I would think they’d probably come pretty cheaply in a trade. Ryan has the cheaper contract of the two–under $2M this year.
Hanley Rameriz has finally made it into Ozzie’s dog house. Reunion with Fredi? LOL
July 9th, 20126:05 pm
Pick up Marco Scutaro for a bag of balls and some $$$$.
July 9th, 20126:10 pm
Marco Scutaro might be an option as well. I forgot to mention him. He’s making $6M this year, but the Braves would only owe, at most, the prorated portion of that for the remainder of the season and then he’s a FA after the season. He can play SS/2B/3B and would be an upgrade over Wilson once Simmons returns.
July 9th, 20126:12 pm
One thing that probably would have prevented Simmons injury is a pair of mittens.
Fredi G. should start making all of his players wear batting ‘mittens’.
July 9th, 20126:18 pm
Of coursde a stop gap shortstop would have no effect on other deals cause they aren’t getting a stop gap shortstop.
July 9th, 20126:21 pm
Almost typed “stop Gasp” shortstop. Of course, the way some here are freaking out, it might have been appropriate.
July 9th, 20126:31 pm
I think Pete Rose managed to slide head first for about 24 years without getting hurt. No manager is going to discourage the practice, despite the genius analysis by iTiSi. You can get hurt sliding feet first, too. Maybe they should all just sit out every game to avoid getting hurt. Stuff happens. Deal with it.
July 9th, 20126:36 pm
Hate to hear that about Simmons. He is fast becoming one of my favorite Braves. He is a real talent.
July 9th, 20126:38 pm
Simmons is the best young shortstop in the majors, He needs a veteran to guide him through his adjustment period. It’s to late to warn him about head first sliding , but not to late to warn him about that heavy necklace that hits him in the face every time he touches the ball.
billy bob baseball
July 9th, 20126:39 pm
uggla, wilson, pastornicky, and francisco/diaz/henske when chipper goes DL again, a collective .200 average if we’re lucky holding down the 6-8 spots in the lineup. And people here still think the Braves will be in the wildcard hunt. Hah!
When they end the season with more RBI’s from the number 1 & 2 hitters than they got from 6-8, maybe Wren will realize that we have a problem that signing has-beens and never weres is not going to cure.
July 9th, 20126:40 pm
Why not let Wilson start a few games and see what he can do? Call up the Rev to be his backup and give him a chance to sub while Simmons is out.
July 9th, 20126:42 pm
Is a trade necessary? http://wp.me/p2lqJ1-ab
NO MORE FREDI
July 9th, 20126:44 pm
God hates the Braves.
July 9th, 20126:46 pm
Hugo – Pete Rose knew what he was doing. Just a bad “break” for the Braves. (drum roll)
July 9th, 20126:51 pm
Frank, I’m still thinking that Wren going after a shortstop (even if he is a bench upgrade) isn’t likely, unless Simmons is out for longer than anticipated. I think Wren would pursue other options first.
Jerry Royster is a good idea. He could slide in to a utility role when Simmons comes back.
July 9th, 20126:52 pm
HR contest in about a hour.
John Mayberry Sr.
July 9th, 20126:53 pm
I’d give Freddie Patek a good look. Him or Jeff Blauser.
July 9th, 20126:54 pm
No, I think you do and are projecting – you megalomaniac, caps-loving idiot.
July 9th, 20127:02 pm
The Rev or Wilson? I’ll take Wilson. I think it’s pretty obvious what effect a leaky defense can have on the rotation.
When the Rev was up, I held my breath with every ball hit to short. According to ESPN, Pastor directly contributed to plus 15 runs against while AS efforts resulted in a Minus 10 runs allowed. To the layman it simply reads that AS saved the Braves staff runs and The Rev’s efforts led to allowing more runs than it should have.
Let the rest of the offense carry the Braves and let Wilson’s good defense make a difference. Nothing personal about Pastor but he is a liability at SS. He has proven that already in the big leagues. It would seem that the stability defensively is likely more important the the chance of getting a bit more offense from Pastor.
July 9th, 20127:11 pm
Anyone know if Sonny Jackson is available?
Yes Way José
We should call Constanza up and play him at SS. He’s fast enough and has proven to have tremendous hands. I really think he can be a great utility and outfield guy.
July 9th, 20127:13 pm
another shabby reporting job by the AJC…..the 5th metacarpal is not the pinkie – that would be the phalanx. So get it right please b/c a fractured pinkie, in most cases, is far more benign than a metacarpal fracture.
July 9th, 20127:22 pm
How about just a little common sense on this discussion??!!
Jack Wilson will NOT be the starting SS while AS is out. IF they bring Pastornicky back up, he’ll be the starter to give him the playing time, which is what he needs. No sense in calling him up and then let him sit and watch!! Besides, he’s much better offensively, and in reality just about as good defensively. Wilson has the range of a slug.
IF the Braves were to stupidly go out and trade for a temporary SS (and have to give away good prospects for that!!), they wouldn’t do that just to have him ride the bench while Wilson provides mediocre play at best. He would be the starter, and then be kept as a backup with Wilson being released when Simmons comes back.
Oh, and by the way…….Prado doesn’t need to play SS. Give it a rest.
Maybe we can get Chico Escuela to come out of retirement.
July 9th, 20127:23 pm
Heisenberg…. Your back to back comments about Simmons being back after 15 days and why not move Uggla to SS have made you the runaway winner of “idiot of the day”!
July 9th, 20127:25 pm
Can Greg Norton play short?
July 9th, 20127:26 pm
Hopefully we get the kid back the last 20 games of the season.
July 9th, 20127:29 pm
Armchair managers. Not a one of us on here really knows what the Braves are going to do.
On another note, the son of one of my co-workers is a wide receiver on a high school football team in Gwinnett. About 3 weeks ago, he was in the weight room and a had an incompetent spotter. The son was deadlifting a pretty substantial amount of weight and realized that one end had become unbalanced and was sliding down toward his neck. He somehow got his hand up as the weight came down. It basically severed the ring finger on his left hand. It was just below the first joint above the hand and was hanging by a thread, my co-worker said. They rushed him to the hospital and the doctor was able to reattach the finger. He gets the cast off this week, about 3 weeks post-injury and they will splint it. Doc says it’s healing fine. Kid has a future in football, and as a wide receiver, needs both hands. I hope his finger heals, and I hope Andrelton’s pinky heals up quickly like this kid’s finger has.
P. Bull Terrier
July 9th, 20127:31 pm
Greg Norton is the answer at SS.
July 9th, 20128:05 pm
Good god why wasn’t Chris Berman under that lightning bolt at the Rangers game yesterday!?
That guy grates on my like fingernails on a chalk board!
Retire Chris, PLEASE!
July 9th, 20128:11 pm
“Jack Wilson will NOT be the starting SS while AS is out. IF they bring Pastornicky back up, he’ll be the starter to give him the playing time, which is what he needs. ”
What HE NEEDS? What HE NEEDS? What the hell do the Braves need? Do they need some guy that when a ball is hit in his direction all fans AND team mates hold their collective breaths?
Good grief,you, “never weres” that replaced your little league failures with statistic lust need to consider that it isn’t always about what some mediocre, over-rated prospect needs…. it’s about what gives the big league team the best chance to win!
July 9th, 20128:18 pm
There must be someone out there who can play 2nd, short, and 3rd, and hit at least .240 that can be had for a reasonable price. The Braves haven’t had a “super utility” type since Infante left, and they sorely need one. Their bench is extremely weak and with Fredi carrying extra pitchers the need for a “super utility” player is NOW! Go get ‘em Frank.
July 9th, 20128:23 pm
where did “buffering” go from yesterday?? HE could play short & bat wearing a right hand cast. He obviously knows that Simmons must be a wuss.
I know nothing...
July 9th, 20128:25 pm
I hear Marty Perez or Denis Menke are available to play some shortstop…probably for cheap too -:)
Or my all-time favorite…Larvell (Sugar Bear) Blanks!
Try out Tejada…see if he has anything left in the tank?
July 9th, 20128:44 pm
Is Matt Diaz shagging balls with the kids tonight? Thought I saw him drop one.
July 9th, 20128:48 pm
another shabby reporting job by the AJC…..
You could do it better, of course. Hope to see your By Line – real name – on a newspaper soon.
July 9th, 20128:56 pm
Can’t let our super rookie’s injury make us lose focus on what is really important – a guy who can slot in with Huddy and Hanson. Another bench bat would be nice as well. Diaz and particularly Hinske aren’t their same old selves.
This is a huge loss for the Braves. SS was now a position the Braves could forget about. What about Prado and a new outfielder?
July 9th, 20129:10 pm
As an animal lover I’ve spent my career rescuing sick an wonuded animals. Arrows cause animals to die a slow pitiful death.I don’t understand why Chipper who has everything would choose this way of life. I don’t like Chipper and never will, In my book he is no better than Mike Vick.
July 9th, 20129:21 pm
Sheets through 4.
4ip, 5hits, 1r (0 earned), 4k, 0bb.
July 9th, 20129:24 pm
Sheets through 5.
5ip, 6h, 1r (0 earned), 4k, 0bb.
73 pitches, 46 strikes, 27 balls.
July 9th, 20129:31 pm
Wow, love the booing of Cano, hilarious.
July 9th, 20129:32 pm
That’s fine. We all have our opinions. I’m not saying it’s a guarantee that the Braves will make a trade for a guy like one of the three I mentioned, but I think Wren is looking to see what’s out there and it’s a pretty strong possibility a trade is made before Friday.
Also, think about this: If Wren wasn’t exploring trade options, why wouldn’t the corresponding move have been made today? If the Braves know they’re bringing up Pastornicky and aren’t exploring other options, why not go ahead and announce Pastornicky’s return now? It’s not like Gwinnett is playing again until Thursday night.
July 9th, 20129:33 pm
July 9th, 2012
Clearly you only watched this last series in Philly. The starting pitching is shaky as hell. If you trust JJ to make 13 quality starts to close out the year then you’re nuts. As it stands now we need to hope and pray Hanson & Hudson stay healthy. Pray JJ doesn’t implode again. And then there’s Minor and Delgado. Neither are much to get excited about.
Alaska Braves Fan
July 9th, 20129:34 pm
Look for Simmons to be back about the second week of September, at the soonest. Whoever steps in will pay most of the rest of the season. I join the chorus lamenting head-first slides. They just are not smart and can really cause a major problem even when only a very small bone is broken.
July 9th, 20129:35 pm
Jack Wilson is a career .265 nitter, with above average defensive skills… If any of you expert evaluaters of baseball had a lick of sense, you would know that you cannot judge a bench player by his batting average… He has only had 60 at bats or so, with long stretches in between… Not one of you armchairs could carry his jock strap… Martin Prado can play anywhere, given the chance… his play at SS has been minimal… he is the kind of player that after a week of playing a position he will learn enough to become more than competent…. I wish you jolly rodgers would listen to yourselves… I have constantly asked this, but I’ll beat a dead horse and try again… WHAT MAKES YOU BLUBBERERS THINK FOR ONE MOMENT YOU ARE ANY KIND OF EXPERT ON ANYTHING TO DO WITH MAJOR LEAGUE BASEBALL???? You IDIOTS have got to be kidding…. This game would be so, so much more enjoyable for you if you put an iota’s worth of time into LEARNING about it… smh, what a bunch of maroons,,,
July 9th, 20129:36 pm
Felix said: “Hate to hear that about Simmons”
Jeff R said: “God hates Braes”
I HATE MEEBO BAR.
July 9th, 20129:37 pm
Chris, Carroll, or DOB: Why 15 days and not 30 on the DL?
There is no 30-day DL. 15- or 60-day DL, those are the two options in majors.
July 9th, 20129:38 pm
Ditto. You can add Stuart Scott and Stephen A Smith to that as well
July 9th, 20129:39 pm
Lobosolo: How do you REALLY feel about the posts you see on this blog?
July 9th, 2012
Retire Chris, PLEASE
the above post was supposed to be pasted here
The wilson sign it was a stupid move…why sign a bench player without the capacity to fill for a urgency not one bt twice in the first half of the season…SO WHY HAVE. HIM??….relase him and find not just one but two ss to replace the ONE that is injured!!!……craps!!!!!
July 9th, 20129:43 pm
With the Wilson/Pastornicky option, SS is not our greatest need. For the second half, we have to have more consistent pitching from the whole staff, not just Hudson and Hanson; and we need at least one more reliable bat off the bench. The truth is that we simply WILL NOT find the equivalent of Simmons to step in. NO MORE HEAD-FIRST SLIDES!
July 9th, 20129:45 pm
Wilson is the worst current MLB player…so we have him in bench and can’t replace any of the ss kids? So why have him? Release him…find not one but two ss…
July 9th, 20129:51 pm
Final line on sheets.
5.2ip, 3 runs, (2 earned), 7h, 4k, 0bb.
89 pitches, 58 for strikes
July 9th, 201210:01 pm
Can’t remember the last time a brave steped at home in a homerun derby…talking about a constant offensive lackness…i
July 9th, 201210:06 pm
We would not even be talking about this if we had just kept Furcal! (Just kidding, sort of.)
July 9th, 201210:17 pm
I stated last year after Jason got hurt sliding in head first, anyone sliding in head first from now on is Fined Period.
July 9th, 201210:37 pm
I don’t know who is worst, obama or Patornicky. Both are sorry at what they do
July 9th, 201210:41 pm
After Constanza was sent down, Simmons became the spark plug. With no spark plug, the team walks around like nine tired Zombies.
July 9th, 201210:53 pm
if the braves don’t trade for a ss, they definitely need to start wilson and use pastornicky off the bench. since joining the braves last season, wilson has only had 120 at bats total. I don’t know any player that could gain any consistency with that amount of limited play. I’m not saying that he will be the all star that he was in 2004, but considering that he hit in the .250 range or above ( in every season before coming to the braves with limited playing time), there is nothing that would lead me to believe that he can’t do the same now.
pastornicky’s bat can help the bench temporarily
Also, ben sheets has looked pretty good in his 2 outings. Hopefully he can make a good impact
July 9th, 201211:11 pm
sometimes reading blogs you read stuff…and think some people live in ‘LA LA LAND’…you don’t trade yet idiots…you use the pastor…for now and work from there
July 9th, 201211:22 pm
The Braves should move McCann to shortstop, Prado to catcher and call up Constanza to play LF. Prado would be an awesome catcher with his agility and speed. McCann would be a power hitting shortstop. Constanza is best left fielder in the organization.
Muskrat Date (8:11) – you seem a little overhyped….too much coffee? too much booze?
The Braves have made it quite clear that they view Pastornicky as their future utility guy. With Infante traded and Prado now starting caliber (in fact All Star level), their bench is pathetic. Not too much they can do about it for this year, but what the Braves NEED is for Rev to get as much experience as possible as quickly as possible. So, the options are either to leave him at Gwinnett OR bring him up to play. So what he needs is the same as what the Braves need, at least for the longrun.
My other point is that Wilson is NOT starting caliber and the Braves can’t afford to use him in that role – not for the next 5-6 weeks minimum.
I’ve never been a fan of bringing in rental players, especially one who is obviously no more than a backup. Simmons is a future all star, and you can pencil him in for years to come. It would be stupid to trade away needed young prospects to bring in a GOOD SS, even if one was available. Once AS is back, you’d have to trade him and ultimately lose on the deal overall.
Our greater need by a lot is starting pitching. If Wren is gonna work some trades, that is where the team will see the most benefit in shipping off our best prospects.
BLAUSER LEMKE DOUBLE PLAY
July 9th, 201211:32 pm
Trade Juan “non-brain” Francisco for Jamey Carroll
other option is trade for Brendan Ryan, Jeff Keppinger or Maicer Izturis
and after that DFA Wilson and call up Constanza
July 9th, 201211:37 pm
Ugh! this kid, Pastornicky, Pesternacky, Pastrominicki, whatever the hell his name is, first off, WHY ARE some of your mentally challenged boobs, giving this no field weak arm scrub a damn nickname, HE SUCKS, I said it before ST, I said it before the reagular season began, and I’ll say it now, HE WILL NEVER BE a Major League ballplayer, he has the arm of a noodle, and a limp one, and the range of Touche Turtle! give it a rest, all this BRAT was and is and will ever be is AAA trade fodder, DAMN Just DAMN!
Assuming the braves would acquire Greinke for Pastornicky Delgado and other A-AA prospect, the braves could be adquire Lowrie from the Astros in exchange for Teheran or Minor
then the next year they could be move Lowrie to 3B
July 9th, 201211:39 pm
J. J. Hardy?
July 9th, 201211:40 pm
@powder blue : JJ Hardy is too expensive,, and sure the Orioles dont want to trade Hardy in a postseason run ..
Maicer Izturis would be a very nice pickup, however I think he is going nowhere!
“Heisenberg…. Your back to back comments about Simmons being back after 15 days and why not move Uggla to SS have made you the runaway winner of “idiot of the day”!”
You missed my other one about moving Chipper to SS.
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July 9th, 201211:41 pm
ahahahahah, The Orioles will not be running for any postseason, the shine is slipping off that turd!
July 9th, 201211:43 pm
Please whoever suggested Wren trade T.Pisstornicky, for the love of baseball make it happen….yesterday,then Fredi will be saved from himself!
July 9th, 201211:44 pm
and there we go, this blog has made me literally hate that kid! thanks!
July 9th, 201211:47 pm
Jed Lowrie is only making a shade over $1M right now and is under team control for 2 more seasons. Not a chance in hell the Astros would be looking to trade him right now. They’re going to be looking to move veterans who make a good bit of cash…guys like Wandy Rodriguez, Brett Myers and Brandon Lyon.
July 9th, 201211:51 pm
@Frank: who knows ? sure any team wants a young arm like Delgado Minor or Teheran ,,,
sure the Astros could be take one in exchange for Lowrie..
July 9th, 201211:53 pm
Who knows? I could win the Mega Millions jackpot this week.
July 9th, 201211:57 pm
@Frank: Maybe lol …
but sure i prefer have a one young arm ready for pitch in MLB than a SS
all teams wants pitching all of them
July 10th, 201212:04 am
My point being that the Astros most likely view Lowrie as part of their future, especially given his friendly contract. They’ll be able to get prospects for the veteran guys they’re trying to unload. I doubt they’re looking to trade Lowrie unless someone just blows them away with an offer and I don’t see the Braves doing that since we have other much more pressing needs that’ll most likely require us trading at least one of the three young SPs you mentioned.
July 10th, 201212:05 am
We could dip into the past and bring in Pat Rocket to play short. lol
July 10th, 201212:09 am
The Braves should trade Todd Redmond, Juan Francisco & Jack Wilson for Greinke.
Then trade Teheran and another minor leaguer for Hanley Ramirez. Ramirez takes over at 3B next year.
Then trade Hinske, Diaz and Minor to Pirates for McCutchen.
July 10th, 201212:43 am
The Braves are a very tentative and fragile group. Simmons loss for most of the second half is calamitous. He was a miraculous spark plug who dramatically elevated the team’s energy and made good things happen despite conspicuous shortcomings from the team’s high-priced “stars”. In short, he was an amazing catalyst.
Unfortunately, his return is unlikely to impact the crucial stretch run.
What his short-lived presence has shown is how important it is for the Braves to have a major impact player to replace him.
The Braves, albeit fragile, have eight above-average position starters: McCann, Freeman, Uggla, Jones, Prado, Bourn and Hayward. They have absolutely no dependable and high potential second tier replacements other than the catcher
back-up. This is the crux of the problem and the opportunity to breakthrough in the second half.
Acquire Chipper’s proven and serious replacement now. He should be able to play either third or short. Play him at short as long as necessary. Simultaneously, stop relying on second and third raters, young and old, for back-up infield and outfield substitutions and pinch hitting. This year has proved that the rookies and the veterans such as Hinske, Diaz and Wilson aren’t going to be up to the task for a run for the roses.
In short, build on the fragile core assets among the position players, fill the big shoes at shortstop for now and the future and dump the chumps who don’t have what it takes to step up in the clutch and win one when the stalwarts need a special lift.
Doing this will make the pitching staff as good as their potential.
Not just a replacement for Simmons, but a transformation and then some.
July 10th, 201212:51 am
Go get a short stop. that got range. We know that if rel play short it going to hurt our def. he has a weak arm and no range. We have to be strong at ss because our pict are not strikeout pict. They pict to contact. Rel is good for playing 2b because of his arm.
July 10th, 201212:56 am
Great spelling there Hoss.
July 10th, 201212:58 am
I like bringing Constanza back but maybe he ought to replace Hinske who is hitting .202 and is in danger of going below the Mendoza line.
July 10th, 20121:02 am
They aren’t the Red Sox, but the Braves can’t seem to buy a break.
I’m sorry, but I gotta say it. After seeing Saltalamacchia bang 17 dingers in the first half of the season, the Teixeira trade is looking more and more like an absolute disaster. JS should be hung by his sweater for that despicable debacle! It showed a vulgar and gross overestimation of the Braves’ playoff chances those two seasons while sickenly mortgaging the future for a player we only had for a shade less than one full season. Unforgiveable!
July 10th, 20121:06 am
Salty wouldn’t be playing over McCann right now anyway and he had done nothing in majors prior to this season. Simmer down!
Tongue In Cheek
July 10th, 20121:12 am
Speaking of a dead horse, I think the obvious move is to slide that great, old SS Chipper Jones from third to short, and let Prado and Francisco alternate at 3B. I’m sure Chipper can still turn double plays when any slow catcher is running.
July 10th, 20121:25 am
I’d like to see the Braves give Hayden Panettiere a shot at SS.
July 10th, 20121:46 am
Not sure what the Braves are going to do to patch up weaknesses. Wren has some serious work to do over the next few weeks. Hopefully he’ll get it done.
I’d urinate on a spark plug if I thought it’d do any good.
July 10th, 20121:51 am
Hello eveyoen! wonder if we have some imposters on this blog. Name we neber heard of……Hm………. Show who has the brains here. Then again they must be on drugs…..
July 10th, 20121:52 am
Must be Philly Fans with imposter names……..
Whatchu talkin bout, Ward?
July 10th, 20121:54 am
You people continue……………………..
July 10th, 20121:55 am
I’ll come back when the blog is back to normal, and it doesn’t look like Alien names……Peace……
July 10th, 20121:58 am
Alien names? LOL.
Bring something to the table, Ward. I’m up for a quick serious discussion.
July 10th, 20122:13 am
Hello everyone! I hope the blog is back to normal…….What’s this about playing Jack Wilson. I mean come on! “The Rev.” Will do fine….. I know most find it hard to believe that “The Rev.” will be O.K.
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