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Jason's Sweet Cheeks
July 5th, 2012
3:27 pm
@Frank Wren It makes no difference what you do. This team is DONE. They STINK.
Jason's Sweet Cheeks
July 5th, 2012
3:27 pm
@Frank Wren It makes no difference what you do. This team is DONE. They STINK.
jt
July 5th, 2012
3:28 pm
DOB::Full of BS
Larry B
July 5th, 2012
3:28 pm
Elbow impingement typically occurs due to activities that excessively or repetitively straighten the elbow (hyper-extension ) often in combination with a sideways (valgus) force. This may occur suddenly, due to a specific incident involving a hyper-extension force, or, more commonly, due to repetitive strain associated with overuse (such as repetitive throwing).
This from: http://www.physioadvisor.com.au/
Seems to me that it should have been noticed if he was hyper-extending his elbow enough (times) to be harmful, but I’m no pitching coach, pitcher, or doctor.
Leonard
July 5th, 2012
3:30 pm
Am I the only person in Atlanta that wonders how in the world Dan Uggla could make the all-star team much less as a starter. I have to believe it was not the Atlanta fans who voted him in. Are the fans in other cities so blind they do not check stats before voting. He should do the right thing and op out and let Bourn or Prado take his place. Make some kind of excuse that he is hurting or something. Can’t believe our hitting instructors can not convince him to slow his swing down a bit just to make contact. He might overall be one of the worst 2nd basemen we have ever had here. Am I the only one who thinks this way?
jt
July 5th, 2012
3:33 pm
Leonard : No your not! Gotta be blind,deaf, and dumb not to see howbad he is. Hope he does not bring shame on Atlanta with his usual performance. Really Sucks!!!
fordcobra
July 5th, 2012
3:35 pm
Hate to say it but, Fredi has no clue what’s going on.
Ralph
July 5th, 2012
3:37 pm
Ryan Buchter, AA LHP might have been a better call up, 1.17 era, 2.79 vs LHP, .043 vs RHP, 36 SO14 BB over 30 ip this season, even so need to keep an eye on this 25 year old.
rhaiz r blaide
July 5th, 2012
3:40 pm
Right on Leonard at 3:30 – - Since Uggla’s hitting streak ended last August He’s not even close to any kind of an All Star……Don’t get me wrong — I like the guy —- Liked him w/the marlins but he’s shouldn’t be an All Star
bustersonly
July 5th, 2012
3:46 pm
Strictly a face saving move by Fruti and Wren, they both should be fired immediately!
MD Braves fan
July 5th, 2012
3:46 pm
Terry Pendleton will begin his stint as interim Manager on Monday.
Go Jackets
July 5th, 2012
3:48 pm
Hey Dave, what site was it that reported we had one of the BEST lineups but the WORST overall manager in the major leageus?
Rightfielder
July 5th, 2012
3:48 pm
I’m so tired of seeing Freddie Freeman hit ground balls and JOG to 1st base
bustersonly
July 5th, 2012
3:49 pm
Leonard
July 5th, 2012
3:30 pm
NO
panamajack
July 5th, 2012
3:52 pm
Well I was hoping these new blogs would be announcing Wren and FG’s firing, no such luck, back to Playboy TV.
Go Jackets
July 5th, 2012
3:52 pm
where da site dat say Freddi is the worst manager EVER?
jokurone
July 5th, 2012
3:55 pm
Bring back Leo he knows how to coach/manage pitchers!!
jt
July 5th, 2012
3:56 pm
Bourn must be thinking, how in the heck Uggla makes it and he doesn’t! He may double Uggla’s batting pct before the All Star game. Uggla is a prime example why the managers and players should pick, not the Stupid Fans.
bob
July 5th, 2012
4:00 pm
This is a nightmare!
FG and RMcD will ruin every young arm in the Braves organization. I cannot recall the last time the Braves lost so many arms in such a period of time.
I do blame management in two respects.
First, you cannot run a relief pitcher out there 80 times a year and expect the arm to survive.
Second, you cannot hold off on placing someone on the DL earlier rather than later. When a young arm is sore and the performance below par, the pitcher should be placed on the DL and the arm should be examined.
The bottom line is that FG and RMcD are driving this team and the ‘young guns’ into the ground.
Dump them before every young arm is ruined!
BRAVELESS
July 5th, 2012
4:02 pm
We can gripe all we want about FW and FG but as long as we continue to buy tickets they will not make any changes to the GM or manager positions. FG actually lied to the media last night about what was wrong with venters.
steve
July 5th, 2012
4:03 pm
Still would like to know why Medlen has not been put in the starting rotation as he would give us 6 plus innings on his starts which is what I thought we were looking for fromDelgado and Minor, also Uggla,McCann and Freeman need to start hitting like they are capable of or this team has no chance, as far as F.G. goes he proved how he has no clue in how to manage a team at the end of last season when they had a major collapse, his days are numbered as in my opinion F.Wren has gone out and made major moves to try and get us over the hump and our coaching staff has failed.
Dr Andrews
July 5th, 2012
4:03 pm
PMC
July 5th, 2012
2:57 pm
Ah yes, the old Elbow Impingement. Braves code for he needs a break.
Strange they didn’t do an MRI on him, haven’t called me yet.
Jason's Sweet Cheeks
July 5th, 2012
4:04 pm
Mickey mouse is available. I know Minnie. You want me to talk to her. Mickey has got to be better than Freddi
5th Grade Teacher
July 5th, 2012
4:05 pm
F. WREN + Freddie G. = Loosing
Should be “losing” -10 spelling.
bustersonly
July 5th, 2012
4:09 pm
steve
For once I agree with you, they bring Meds in in the 5th, 6th inning when the game is already lost, any pitcher would do in these situations.
chas
July 5th, 2012
4:11 pm
now! we need for struggla and mccant to fake an injury, then the braves will start winning
alanfalcon
July 5th, 2012
4:13 pm
Speaks volumes for Freddie and Rogers inability to manage the bullpen as well as the starters and just goes to show they don’t care about the physical well being or future of the young pitchers, a really pathetic show of what a real manager and coach should be about.
Larry B
July 5th, 2012
4:13 pm
Because the All-Star game is POPULAR VOTE and not the way it should be.
Larry B
July 5th, 2012
4:13 pm
Leonard…
Because the All-Star game is POPULAR VOTE and not the way it should be.
Jason's Sweet Cheeks
July 5th, 2012
4:13 pm
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mark
July 5th, 2012
4:17 pm
I log on to AJCSPORTS 5 OR 6 times a day hoping to see the Braves have made a manager change. We are 6 back and sinking ,I see no way we will catch anybody with Fredi making one blunder after another.Prado to 2nd Constanza to left and Medlen and whoever for Minor and Delgato…NOW or never 6 back IS the point of no return Nats pitching will prevent them from slumping
bostonbravo
July 5th, 2012
4:18 pm
Frank Wren: hell yeah! McClouth may hold the key! Those occasional games we win these days could surely be losses with the Natester in the lineup.
BTW..The more we loose the loser my bowels get before bedtime. (Drinking to forget probably…just me and Mrs. Bobby C.
bustersonly
July 5th, 2012
4:25 pm
Do they use the seniority system when making call ups, Ryan Buchter at Miss has much better numbers than Avilan, both lefties?
bustersonly
July 5th, 2012
4:25 pm
Do they use the seniority system when making call ups, Ryan Buchter at Miss has much better numbers than Avilan, both lefties?
Jasons Sweet Buns
July 5th, 2012
4:29 pm
Hmmm..why isnt Flande recalled instead? Somethins brewing
Braves fan
July 5th, 2012
4:31 pm
I don’t care what the numbers say, Medlen is an excellent pitcher for us, and valuable because he can work two or three innings at a time. Maybe he would be better off starting an inning, but the guy is by far the best middle reliever we have.
Delbert D.
July 5th, 2012
4:38 pm
1. “Elbow impingement” – just Google it, and learn something.
2. “Uggla All-Star” – wise fans voted him in. Pretty much as wise as posters on AJC blogs.
3. Yeah, trade for Melky, right. Something about Turner field freaks him out.
nelson
July 5th, 2012
4:39 pm
The Cubs ARE THE WORST TEAM IN THE NL and WE CAN T BEAT THEM!!!!!!!!!!
Its disgraceful.
No. 1 Braves Fan
July 5th, 2012
4:41 pm
I don`t think it will be too long before all the Fredi and Wren bashers will
run out of anything different to say. Why don`t all of you just post “fire Fredi”
and let that be it. This man deserves a lot better than he gets from you people.
Delbert D.
July 5th, 2012
4:44 pm
From some of the comments on this blog, one would think that New Orleans has a major league baseball team.
wrestler
July 5th, 2012
4:45 pm
I say we put the whole darn roster on the DL, promote 6 from Double A, the remainder from Triple A and go from there. Then let’s sign the Cubs players and at least we have 2 wins in our pocket.
Jason's Sweet Cheeks
July 5th, 2012
4:46 pm
And just exactly would that be. For the life of me I just can’t think of a thing. Give him a cookie and a glass of milk and send him back to Cuba.
wrestler
July 5th, 2012
4:46 pm
Then we fire Fredi, go ahead and retire Chipper let him take over as manager and then they can all go out, chew tobacco and chase skirts…….
Yunel Asscobar
July 5th, 2012
4:52 pm
This just in – Fredi placed on DL with a “mental impingement.” It typically occurs due to activities that require excessively or repetitively making strategic decisions at the MLB level. It often results in a distant stare, inability to process in-game activity in a manner that allows for strategic response, and inane post game comments; e.g., tip your cap; run them out there; helluva; he pitched great apart from the 5 walks and 3 wild pitches. This may occur suddenly, due to a specific incident, like being in over your head.
bowman
July 5th, 2012
5:00 pm
Is placing Venters on the DL the only way the Braves can insist that Venters spend some time in the minors to regain his form? His poor mechanics have hurt him all season, finally leading to an injury. We might not be in this situation if the Braves had sent Venters down earlier.
Re: Kris Medlen: “Medlen … tied with Colorado’s Esmil Rogers for fifth-worst percentage of inherited runners stranded (53.3) among NL relievers.” Where did Medlen rank before the Braves’ brain-trust sent him to Gwinnett to “stretch out” with thoughts of turning him into a starter? Medlen hasn’t been as effective since his return to MLB, though I don’t have access to stats to support my speculation.
NORRIS CHUCK
July 5th, 2012
5:03 pm
WHEN ARE WE ALL GONNA BE ABLE TO TALK ABOUT BRINGING IN SOME HITTERS????!!!
NORRIS CHUCK
July 5th, 2012
5:03 pm
WHEN ARE WE ALL GONNA BE ABLE TO TALK ABOUT BRINGING IN SOME HITTERS????!!!
bc
July 5th, 2012
5:06 pm
I still can’t believe how many times Fredi uses the phrase “you know what” in his statements.
Braint
July 5th, 2012
5:09 pm
A fairly similar situation happened a few years ago with Chris Reitsma (sp). He was doing ery poorly and then they shut him down with an injury. He finally admitted that he’d been hurt for a while but covering it up. It will be interesting to see what Venters says…
Largo
July 5th, 2012
5:11 pm
One of the reasons Venters was so good last year. Batters kept swinging at his pitches in the dirt. They thought he had some kind of mojo on the ball. Well, he didn’t and he doesn’t. Now, they wait for him to bring the ball up and when it’s over the plate they cream it. When it isn’t they walk. He very seldom fools anyone anymore. When he gets them to swing at those low balls, he’s having a good day and impressing Fredi.
Skeezix
July 5th, 2012
5:34 pm
Thanks Dave. I am sure this has been frustrating for you. This explains a lot. Venters drop in performance has been perplexing. The big question is why wasn’t Braves management more forthright on this? And, why do you keep pitching a guy with his ability when you know he has an elbow impingement? I had a shoulder impingement once (now surgically repaired) and couldn’t stand to lift my arm because of the pain. I have no idea how one can pitch in the major leagues with an elbow impingement.
DaveinNEPA
July 5th, 2012
5:39 pm
I’ve suspected that Venters was injured for quite some time. It’s not normal for a guy to go from lights out to dreadful overnite.
What I would like to know (DOB should ask this) is who has been covering it up? Venters? Fredi? Wren? or all three?
Skeezix
July 5th, 2012
5:41 pm
The Braves really do have the look of a team that is coming apart. I hope it doesn’t happen, but the problems are everywhere–starting pitching lacks depth and consistency, bullpen’s ERA is climbing, holes in the offense (McCann and Uggla’s extended slumps and Freddie hasn’t been real productive since he hurt the finger), and defensive miscues…………..
C.W. in right
July 5th, 2012
5:43 pm
It’s not his heart that’s the problem. It’s his arm.
Patrick
July 5th, 2012
6:03 pm
Thought the DL was for physical injuries/issues, not mental problems.
Uncle Tom
July 5th, 2012
6:28 pm
Great news! Because if he was NOT hurt, then he’s just lost it. I’ve been saying all year long that he’s hurt. His fastball is 4-5 mphs slower than last year with less movement. So let’s get him fixed and ready to rumble again.
Leonard
July 5th, 2012
6:43 pm
If the Cubs are in fact the worse team in the NL and we can not beat them what does that make us?
Joe 12-Pack
July 5th, 2012
6:51 pm
“impingement”? Really?
gcs
July 5th, 2012
6:54 pm
If JV really was injured all this time, what good does it do to hide it?
If he didn’t know (somehow), why wasn’t he checked sooner?
Fail all around.
Ebenezer Snerdberg
July 5th, 2012
6:54 pm
Can we put Havana Fats on the 60 Day disabled list? Claim brain impingement?
GO BRAVES!
Profiler
July 5th, 2012
7:06 pm
A sudden DL trip is a bunch of hockey. He may be hurt, but it didn’t just develop.
He is a good young man, a fierce competitor, and a very good talent. I hope he is able to correct whatever it is that is the problem, sooner than later, for his benefit and the Braves. I just wish the Braves were a little more open with their fans.
Brave fan since 1966
July 5th, 2012
7:10 pm
OK Dave, we know how much pull you have with Wren. So, just pick up the phone, call him, and tell him to:
1. Get Greinke NOW!! Trade Pastornicky and Minor or Gilmartin
2. Trade McCann for a power hitting OFer (and call up Bethancourt)
3. Re-sign Bourn to a long term contract
4. Get rid of (I swing for the fences everytime) Uggla by any means possible
5. AND FIRE FREDI GONZALEZ!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
cowdogit
July 5th, 2012
7:32 pm
I remember the first year McDowell was hired, Bobby Cox quoted that McDowell was the best pitching coach he had ever worked with. After not winning a division title for the first time in fourteen years Cox tried to justify why Mazzone left. The reason Cox retired was he new, without Mazzone he would never win another title. Most braves fans agree with Cox. It’s creepy that no one in the braves organization will mention Mazzone’s name. Kimbrel is next!!!
Larry
July 5th, 2012
8:55 pm
No. 1 Braves Fan,
Fredi “derserves?”
Help me with that one, as anyone with more than a double digit IQ knows Fredi is being richly paid for a mediocre result.?
Buzz 2011
July 6th, 2012
6:13 am
Move Uggla to the DL.. Move him anywhee…
jacket3
July 6th, 2012
10:49 am
“Come on Dude” – “Really?” – Classic. The cohunes to ask it is another matter.
Venters is a gamer. Any gamer will go all out, and Venters exudes that persona. Gonzo perhaps knew about his elbow perhaps not. I think they burned him out last year. Someone definitely did this year.
Braves Coaching has made many of the same missteps this season as last. We also have a lot of players that are playing injured – again. So there is a lot more to this story than everyone wants to disclose right now. Didn’t I read recently suggestions of a “Fire Sale? – Going out of Bidness?”
Also, have you guys noticed those former braves managing, and all of them seem to beat Freddie G every time they play each other? The Nats often come to mind!
Ken Stallings
July 6th, 2012
4:05 pm
Too many innings pitched last season. Overusing your bullpen is the surest way to take a well above average, even elite, bullpen and through attrition by injury turn it into a below average bullpen. The collapse last season was in part due to the games we won by running O’Flaherty, Venters, and Kimbrel out way too often in June through August. Now, two of those three pitchers are having health issues.
Alex
July 6th, 2012
4:50 pm
mr. wren, please ask marlins who is better former all star infante or current “all star” uggla. i did. they very thank full for the trade.