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MikeInFl
July 6th, 2012
10:18 am
Would anyone part with Teheran and another top prospect for a guy like Myers? He could come in and play LF or even CF next season.
I’d trade any two prospects we have for Myers. But no way is KC gonna deal him.
ncbravesfan90
July 6th, 2012
10:19 am
Excessive heat warning in Philly until 6 AM Sunday Morning…..hotter up there than in Atlanta.
Arkansas Transplant
July 6th, 2012
10:19 am
Wren will take it right up to the deadline, I think. 20 games left until 4pm, EST July 31st. We’ll have 60 games to go after that.
Then here we go…. ketchup mode!! I hate that.
Duke
July 6th, 2012
10:20 am
“I’d trade any two prospects we have for Myers. But no way is KC gonna deal him.”
Agreed.
Kyle Lohse…Passsssssss
Arkansas Transplant
July 6th, 2012
10:20 am
MikeInFl, no way could Myers play CF.
TheOnlyBravesFan
July 6th, 2012
10:20 am
Don’t want Dempster… also, I don’t think the Cubs would really take on JJ’s money for a chance to trade him later. They’re not going to the playoffs anytime soon…
MikeInFl
July 6th, 2012
10:22 am
MikeInFl, no way could Myers play CF.
Wasn’t me that suggested that, AT. But, matter of fact, he’s played 32 games there this year in AAA.
Arkansas Transplant
July 6th, 2012
10:22 am
We need at the moment to target Greinke or someone of his caliber (which at the moment aren’t available and for a good reason) and begin the negotiating process. The sooner the better, why give games away waiting?
keylargo
July 6th, 2012
10:23 am
I was looking for something else but found this about Chipper I wrote after the 2009 season. It still makes good sense to me.
keylargo
December 28th, 2010
4:27 pm
Carroll – Have you ever heard anyone talk about hitting Chipper 2nd? I think if you took away the responsibility of hitting 30 HR’s you expect out of the #3 hitter, let him use his great eye for the strike zone and concentrate on hitting singles and doubles he would be ideal. It would be like 2008 all over again.
.330 average and .430 obp
Lew
July 6th, 2012
10:24 am
Transplant – Anticipation?
MikeInFl
July 6th, 2012
10:27 am
You get in a hurry to make a deal three weeks before the deadline and probably end up overpaying.
Plus, I really don’t think we, or the Braves, are sure what the needs are. Take the time to see what Sheets has got; if JJ’s really back. Heck, Minor’s been pretty decent since June 1.
I think Wren’s goal ever since he got the job was to build around a young, affordable pitching staff. I’m pleased that he’s willing to abandon that approach if necessary to win, but I have a feeling that he wants to give it every opportunity to work (and I agree with that).
Arkansas Transplant
July 6th, 2012
10:28 am
anticipation is overrated.
Murph
July 6th, 2012
10:29 am
I dunno, seems to me after just a quick glance at KC’s roster and minor league talent that they have plenty of young hitters, but lack the young pitchers to go with them.
Teheran is a guy that could jump into their rotation right away… add Gilmartin and another piece or two and you might at least get KC’s attention on a deal for a guy like Myers.
Unfortunately I know you’re right and there’s no way they deal him… but it never hurts to ask.
Venice Jim
July 6th, 2012
10:29 am
Federer takes out Djokovic…
Powder Blue
July 6th, 2012
10:30 am
I’d go for Greinke, but that ain’t happening.
TheOnlyBravesFan
July 6th, 2012
10:32 am
Frank Wren: Hi, Dayton. I want to check on the availability of Wil Myers. I’m willing to give up one of my top pitchers.
Dayon Moore; Hahahahaha
Arkansas Transplant
July 6th, 2012
10:33 am
We don’t have a single pitcher in our rotation right now that has been overly consistant.
Lew
July 6th, 2012
10:33 am
Murph – And the Braves won’t trade Teheran, despite what many seem to believe.
TheOnlyBravesFan
July 6th, 2012
10:33 am
Federer takes out Djokovic…
Dangit! I had a 5-game streak on ESPN…. I picked Djokovic
Murph
July 6th, 2012
10:36 am
Murph – And the Braves won’t trade Teheran, despite what many seem to believe.
They’re going to have to trade someone eventually if they want to fill open roster spots with talent… otherwise we’ll have a team featuring 5 or 6 top young players and a bunch of Jack Wilsons. As good as our 5 or 6 top young players are, they’ll never be able to pick up the slack for a gaggle of Jacks running around, dropping balls, and missing bunts.
Efrim
July 6th, 2012
10:36 am
Federer takes out Djokovic…
Really happy to see. I want one more Wimbledon for Roger.
Jeff R
July 6th, 2012
10:38 am
I don’t think it’s a given that Wren waits to the last minute before the trade deadline to make deals. I think Wren would pull the trigger whenever the right deal fell in place. But it takes two to tango, as they say. Other GMs could push it late, and Wren can’t control that.
Lew
July 6th, 2012
10:39 am
Murph – Stop a second and look at how Wren has consistently refused to part with the core of young pitching. Why do you think that all of a sudden, that he’ll turn around and let them go now – especially for a rental like some here want?
MAYBE they will part with Minor and Gimartin – more likely he’ll try to pull off a deal like he did for Bourn and trade a couple of more marginal talents. But Teherean and likely Delgado are going nowhere.
Efrim
July 6th, 2012
10:40 am
Best throwing arm: Christian Bethancourt, C (Double-A Mississippi)
Bethancourt’s season has been something of a disaster at the plate (.545 OPS), but he’s still a worthy Futures Game addition as one of the best defensive catchers in the minors, including a grade-80 arm that would probably have him sitting at least in the low 90s if he were to ever convert to pitching. Gose also earns a mention in this category; he was up to 97 as a left-handed pitcher with a violent arm action in high school. – Keith Law
Lew
July 6th, 2012
10:42 am
As the Esteemed Journalist JImmy Smith once commented – You won’t see the leopard changing it’s stripes. Wren will do what he always does – protect the young pitching.
Efrim
July 6th, 2012
10:43 am
You know, they could trade Jurrjens. Even in your hopes and dreams you don’t include him in the future. In the three games he’s had since his return batters are hitting .250/.299/.333/.632 off of him. That’s a big improvement from his first four starts of .411/.482/.685/1.167
Trade him when? This offseason? I really don’t think he’d get us too much. And I definitely don’t think there is a good chance he starts 2013 with us.
Lew
July 6th, 2012
10:43 am
It would not surprise me to see Wren trade Betancourt, though.
Murph
July 6th, 2012
10:46 am
Murph – Stop a second and look at how Wren has consistently refused to part with the core of young pitching. Why do you think that all of a sudden, that he’ll turn around and let them go now
Rumors have been swirling for the last week or two that indicate Wren might be willing to part with some of his young pitching talent to improve the club.
I’d never advocate trading Teheran or Delgado for a rental. That’s what the Mike Minors and JJs of the world are for. However, I’d certainly be behind trading Teheran and others for a guy of Myers’ caliber.
Next year is going to be interesting. No Chipper, no Bourn, BMac entering into a contract year, etc. Pagan in CF and Francisco at 3rd just isn’t going to get the job done. Not even if guys like Heyward and Freeman continue to improve.
Sooner or later a move is going to have to be made, and we all know it won’t be via free agency. Gotta trade talent to get talent (usually).
TheOnlyBravesFan
July 6th, 2012
10:46 am
Can Bethancourt pitch? Bring him up!!!!
Jeff R
July 6th, 2012
10:46 am
Murph – Stop a second and look at how Wren has consistently refused to part with the core of young pitching. Why do you think that all of a sudden, that he’ll turn around and let them go now – especially for a rental like some here want?
Generally agree, though I think it depends on the return. Greinke – signed to a new deal – might command one top pitching prospect or rookie (other than Teheran or Delgado).
I could conceivably see Wren shipping Minor and Spruill, for instance, to Milwaukee for Greinke if – again – the Braves can lockup Greinke longer term.
The Braves really aren’t out of contention at this time. 6 down in the NL East and 80 games to go. I don’t see Wren standing pat or making piddling deals unless he can’t swing bigger ones.
I think there’s a lot of pressure on Wren to deliver now.
Lew
July 6th, 2012
10:47 am
Rumors Murph. Just like all winter, Wren was going to trade Prado and Jurrjens.
JoeFan
July 6th, 2012
10:48 am
The Braves have to many holes to even think about trading for Grienke. One player isn’t going to fix the bench, the bullpen and sink holes in the lineup that appear like clock work from players like Uggla. It is time to guage trade interest in any player like Uggla or Bourn that could bring fixes in several areas. Have little faith that Wren is the guy to fix this team. His track record in Baltimore and Atlanta is not exactly sterling. Basically the Braves are almost a mess that continues to muddle along until someone takes over this organization and sends a clear message to the fans and players that the only result acceptable is winning.
Brian from SC
July 6th, 2012
10:48 am
Jurrjens a free agent after next season. Hmmm. Why not trade to the Cubs for Dempster? Braves free up more cash in off season to sign somebody like Kyle Lohse and the Cubs take a gamble that Jurrjens can help them for 1 1/2 years. Dempster gives you a shot this season without giving up any young talent.
I’m not a GM, so I may be wrong, but typically the team you’re trading with also has to agree to the trade.
Powder Blue
July 6th, 2012
10:48 am
“Sooner or later a move is going to have to be made…”
The best move would come in the form of Liberty Media putting the team up for sale.
Jeff R
July 6th, 2012
10:50 am
Bethancourt’s season has been something of a disaster at the plate (.545 OPS), but he’s still a worthy Futures Game addition as one of the best defensive catchers in the minors, including a grade-80 arm that would probably have him sitting at least in the low 90s if he were to ever convert to pitching. Gose also earns a mention in this category; he was up to 97 as a left-handed pitcher with a violent arm action in high school. – Keith Law
Given Bethancourt’s defensive prowess, he could, at the very least, be another Charles Johnson. I think a catcher with extraordinary defensive skills shouldn’t be underrated despite hitting deficiencies.
Lew
July 6th, 2012
10:50 am
Look at the deals Wren has made. Bourn went for two marginal players even with a year and a half left til FA. Uggla came to the Braves for a releiver and a (at the time) utility player.
Teheran and Delgado are going nowhere.
Efrim
July 6th, 2012
10:52 am
Wren will do what he always does – protect the young pitching.
He’ll try to hold onto Minor, and make a deal without having to give him up – perhaps because he wants to save his bullets for the offseason.
There is some depth at the minor league level – Gilmartin, Spruill, Hale, Graham, Northcraft, Martin – maybe these guys could fetch a starter. Just not sure it’ll be a good one. Greinke or Garza is absolutely costing one of Teheran, Delgado or Minor, that’s for sure.
CrαZy
July 6th, 2012
10:53 am
It would not surprise me to see Wren trade Betancourt
Probably on the top of Franks list of top prospects he would deal!!
TheOnlyBravesFan
July 6th, 2012
10:53 am
Gotta trade talent to get talent (usually). Bourn went for two marginal players even with a year and a half left til FA. Uggla came to the Braves for a releiver and a (at the time) utility player.
The Uggla trade was a salary dump, the Bourn trade was stupid by the Astros. They got nothing out of that other than a pothead CF and a possible #4/5 starter.
Rumors Murph. Just like all winter, Wren was going to trade Prado and Jurrjens.
Wren wasn’t trading Prado…. other teams wanted him.
Jeff R
July 6th, 2012
10:55 am
Teheran and Delgado are going nowhere.
I’m with you, Lew. But others could go in bigger deals.
How would Wren and the front office justify not at least attempting bigger deals when the team is still in contention?
Me, I’ve thought for a while that ‘13 was more likely to be the Braves’ year for reasons discussed aplenty on the blog. But I don’t think the Braves’ front office has the luxury to think that way.
TheOnlyBravesFan
July 6th, 2012
10:55 am
Most GMs are pretty smart, unlike Ed Wade… don’t know if we can “steal” a player this year…
Jeff R
July 6th, 2012
10:58 am
I think the Braves will need to surrender real value to secure more than a marginal player.
I will say this: I think Garza’s value fell some after last night’s performance.
Lew
July 6th, 2012
10:59 am
Only Braves – Yeah, isn’t that what I said? Rumors. Of course Wren wasn’t trading Prado and I said so all winter, too. But it didn’t stop the rumor mill from cranking out an endless stream of “Prado is going to be traded” rumors, did it?
Shaun
July 6th, 2012
11:00 am
Jeff R, Bethancourt showed promise with the bat early in his pro career, as a teenager, which is certainly a good sign, even though it has stalled these last few years. Clearly he’s still a work in progress and he may yet develop in to a good hitter.
But it remains to be seen whether he’ll even be a Charles Johnson with the bat. Johnson did post a career OPS+ of 97, which isn’t bad for a catcher, especially a good defensive one. The question is will he hit like a Charles Johnson, enough to be an everyday catcher or will he not hit at all and be forced into back-up duty. The next year or two will give us an indication. We probably won’t know for sure until then, though Lew seems positive he’ll never hit enough.
Brian from SC
July 6th, 2012
11:00 am
Meanwhile, over in the AL, if the Tigers and A’s win tonight (they are both playing sub-.500 teams), the junior circuit will only have three teams with a losing record.
Powder Blue
July 6th, 2012
11:00 am
I’m not big on Garza at all.
Frankie
July 6th, 2012
11:01 am
“Me, I’ve thought for a while that ‘13 was more likely to be the Braves’ year for reasons discussed aplenty on the blog.But I don’t think the Braves’ front office has the luxury to think that way.”
Exactly, they brought in Bourn for a year and half to win now knowing they may not retain him. Something unconventional is going to happen this trade deadline that will tick off a lot of people on this blog.
Huddy, Hanson, JJ, Minor, Delgado, Sheets whoever, will not get it done this season without a upgrade.
Jeff R
July 6th, 2012
11:01 am
Shaun, I would agree with your assessment.
CrαZy
July 6th, 2012
11:04 am
There’s no way I would part with Delgado or Teheran and possibly even Minor unless we received a difference maker in return. The only 2 rumored pitchers available that are difference makers Grienke and Hamels. I think were more likely to see George make a positive statement about Fredi than the Phillies making a deal with the Braves for their best pitcher!!
CrαZy
July 6th, 2012
11:06 am
Garza wouldn’t be a big enough improvement from what we have now… not worth it!!
Nerdbucket Moylan
July 6th, 2012
11:08 am
Lew, John Schuerholz built a hall of game worthy career of trading prospects for proven major league talent that could provide immediate production. Schuerholz’s last deal wasn’t the best, but over the years we were right there every season. It’s shame that cox didn’t manage a little better in those postseasons.
With wren, we’ve got a guy who has made the postseason 1/4 seasons thus far and will likely be 1/5. Wren doesn’t value OBP, doesn’t spend wisely, and has Tony Demacio drafting for him. Demacio was fired after 5 seasons in Baltimore after too many failing drafts.
Go take a look at the moves that wren made in his 1 year as gm in baltimore. I think most owners would have fired him after that disaster.
We’ve got wash-up, retreads, for management in our organization now. It’s time for fresh blood who values OBP and is willing to trade a Teheran for Headley + if needed, and also hire a competent draft director.
Brian from SC
July 6th, 2012
11:08 am
Using current records, the Braves played 30 games against teams with a losing record in the first half (81 games). In the second half, they play 45 against those teams.
If the Braves hold their current win percentage against teams with .500 or better records, and against losing teams, they would end up with 88 or 89 wins. That could possibly get a wild card, but probably wouldn’t cut it for the division.
Shaun
July 6th, 2012
11:09 am
Teheran and Delgado are going nowhere.
If the Braves knew they could sign Greinke long term, I don’t think they would be shy about including one of those two in a deal for him (but not both).
I think it would have to be one of those deals where the commissioner grants the Braves some time to negotiate with Greinke before the deal is finalized, kind of like the A-Rod-to-Boston deal back in December, 2003. I’m not sure if there is precedence for this with a in-season deal.
Murph
July 6th, 2012
11:09 am
If the Braves pick up all options and retain all players who are due raises in arbitration, they are going to be on the hooks for $73mil in salary next season. That leaves somewhere around $12-15mil that the team is going to have to spend on free agent signings and acquired players’ salaries.
With giant holes in LF and CF, no staff ace, and a bullpen that’s going to need some additions to get it back to where it needs to be, that’s not a lot of dough.
Even Upton and Young, along with their sub-.300 OBPs, are likely to command salaries of $8-10mil.
I know Wren wants to horde pitching talent, and I can’t blame him, but given the cash situation and available free agents, I personally think he’s going to have to fill those gaps with trades if he’s going to stand any hope of getting quality players.
Jeff R
July 6th, 2012
11:10 am
I think were more likely to see George make a positive statement about Fredi than the Phillies making a deal with the Braves for their best pitcher!!
Who knows what’s happening on the QT? Wren and the Braves’ front office do a really good job of keeping quiet. But I’d be astounded if Wren brought Hammels to Atlanta and was able to keep him! Fantasy Land, really.
Lew
July 6th, 2012
11:10 am
Showed promise with his bat early in his pro career? You mean the .344 OBP he posted in rookie ball?
And yet in the several years since then, he can’t even crack the .300 line for OBP.
Whatever. He has a strong arm, right?
Efrim
July 6th, 2012
11:12 am
Be pretty shocking if they tendered Jurrjens a contract.
TennesseePaul
July 6th, 2012
11:13 am
Trade him when? This offseason?
Or in part of a deal mid-season. No idea, but if he continues to post decent numbers, I don’t see them just dropping him. Wren’s capable hands were able to procure Chavez, Ridgway, and Kotchman. He’s bound to be able to get something for Jurrjens.
Efrim
July 6th, 2012
11:14 am
If the Braves pick up all options and retain all players who are due raises in arbitration, they are going to be on the hooks for $73mil in salary next season
Seems high to me. Uggla, Mac, Hudson for 34.2 million.
Jurrjens – 8
Prado – 7.5
EOF – 3.5
Hanson – 4
Heyward – 3.5
Venters – 2
Medlen – 1.5
C-Mart – 1.25
Little over 65 million.
Arkansas Transplant
July 6th, 2012
11:14 am
This year is completely different than any year before it, so you can’t cookie cut it based on what the team did or didn’t do to fix problems last year and over the off season. We’ve got something next year we haven’t had in a long time… financial flexibility. So any move is possible at the moment.
Lew
July 6th, 2012
11:16 am
If there’s only $12 million left to spend and Tehrran and Delgado constitute all we have in thw way of serious trade bait then we’re already screwed. For many years to come.
Personally, I think your math is wrong.
Jeff R
July 6th, 2012
11:16 am
Go take a look at the moves that wren made in his 1 year as gm in baltimore. I think most owners would have fired him after that disaster.
Do appreciate what a snake pit Baltimore has been for baseball professionals? Peter Angelos and his family made a mash of a once excellent franchise.
Maybe Angelos has finally developed the brains to get out of the way of the baseball men and allow them to do their jobs.
But Baltimore’s failures weren’t Wren’s fault. Lay that squarely on Peter Angelos.
Efrim
July 6th, 2012
11:16 am
Although, Murph, if you’re counting minimum salary guys – then yes, 73 million total is fair.
TennesseePaul
July 6th, 2012
11:16 am
He’ll try to hold onto Minor, and make a deal without having to give him up
Hence my Jurrjens trade comment. I doubt he would be suddenly viewed as worthy of a straight up trade for a high caliber player, but him and some other minor leaguers might be more enticing.
Jeff R
July 6th, 2012
11:17 am
Jurrjens ain’t coming back next season, unless he’s Sandy Koufax the rest of this campaign.
Lew
July 6th, 2012
11:17 am
I don’;t see Hanson making $4 mil or Heyward making $3.5 mil in first year arbitration. I’d say it will be closer to 2.5 mil each.
Frankie
July 6th, 2012
11:18 am
yep for Dempster.
CrαZy
July 6th, 2012
11:18 am
Seems like Bethancourt has Zero plate disipline/vision and no power to hit anything more than a singles…
Jeff R
July 6th, 2012
11:18 am
Trade Jurrjens now? I doubt he has much value now. More of a throw in.
Nerdbucket Moylan
July 6th, 2012
11:19 am
Gotta agree with murph. At this point, Bourn should be traded along with Uggla. We’ve got to use some of our trade-able pieces now so that we can fill some of the major holes that we will soon have. Bourn will not be deserving of his asking price. So, get a high OBP producer for him right now! Sadly, it’s probably too late to anything significant in return for him. Wren should have dealt him weeks ago. Unload Uggla too. We’re going to have major holes at CF, 3B, C very soon. Go get Headley now and solve that problem.
But Wren doesn’t understand selling high and price-points. And we’ve got many bloggers like Lew who are so caught up in Bourn’s speed and defense and don’t understand the importance of OBP.
Efrim
July 6th, 2012
11:20 am
I’d sorta take a look at injecting new talent into the pen this offseason. Might be just me, but O’Ventbrel might of run its course. I still like Venters to bounce back, and I’d rather just trade EOF to a high salaried team looking for a LH relief pitcher.
TennesseePaul
July 6th, 2012
11:21 am
If there’s only $12 million left to spend…
Not quite. They are talking about using next years salary as a mid-season bump this year, so there would be less to spend. At the end of the season, the team is going to be free of about $45M in contracts that are on the books now, so if everything holds close to recent history, the team should have about $2M-$5M to spend this off-season on filling holes in CF, LF, 3B, relief, bench and starting pitching.
Efrim
July 6th, 2012
11:21 am
I’d say it will be closer to 2.5 mil each.
No way Hanson makes only 2.5 million with his resume. Not a chance.
Brian from SC
July 6th, 2012
11:21 am
Interesting, Lew…I was thinking $4 million was a little low for each.
Lew
July 6th, 2012
11:21 am
HUh? I never said that they would keep Bourn or even that they should. I’ve seen him as gone for quite some time and have advocated making a trade with the Twins for Span.
Jaded Braves Fan
July 6th, 2012
11:21 am
Wil Myers has 27 home runs in 318 minor league at-bats this year. Currently OPS’ing 1.031 in the PCL. Sure would have been nice if Wren had been able to land this guy this past offseason.
Murph
July 6th, 2012
11:22 am
Although, Murph, if you’re counting minimum salary guys – then yes, 73 million total is fair.
I didn’t do any math, just looked it up on baseball reference dot com and subtracted Chipper’s $7mil option to reach the $73mil total for next season.
Be pretty shocking if they tendered Jurrjens a contract.
So that would put the number closer to $66mil? I’m guessing they accounted for JJ earning $7mil or so via arbitration.
That would give the Braves closer to $20mil to spend over the offseason. Still not a giant bag of money when you consider the shopping list.
1. CF
2. LF
3. SP
4. RP
5. Bench bats
Lew
July 6th, 2012
11:22 am
And I’ve been ranting about Betancourt’s lack of OBP, so I guess I do indeed, belittle it’s importance.
Reading comprehension is apparently not your strong suit Nerdbucket.
Nerdbucket Moylan
July 6th, 2012
11:24 am
Just a few weeks ago you were all over the nerdbucket moylan crying that if we gave bourn now we’d be throwing in the towel. Well, look where we are now. If we get swept this weekend we’re at .500. I saw it coming and I’ve got the posts to back it up. It’s sad that so many homers just don’t get it
TheOnlyBravesFan
July 6th, 2012
11:24 am
But Wren doesn’t understand selling high
He sold high on Vasquez and turned it into Vizcaino, Melky (not his fault Melky sukked), and Boone Logan (who helped get Uggla)
Efrim
July 6th, 2012
11:24 am
I was generous with 4 million and 3.5 million for Hanson and Heyward. We could get burned by more than that.
Lew
July 6th, 2012
11:24 am
Murph – HInske will be gone. O’Falherty likely won’t be re-signed for close to four mil. Diaz might also be gone. Same for pitchers like Martinez. They aren’t going to bring back the entire current roster by any means.
Disgusted
July 6th, 2012
11:25 am
If the Braves hold on to Minor and Delgado they might be just as good as Garza is by say, 2014.
It could be the right thing to do. Let em take their lumps this yr and get better in time.
I don’t think Garza is that great, he is a decent middle rotation guy but not great. He is not even a .500 career pitcher, (and I know there are other things to measure a pitcher by).
And how many more good yrs does Dempster have?
I don’t want to give up much for a rental or even a vet we have for a yr and a half.
And I don’t want to move Bourn for junk, would rather take back draft picks if we cannot sign him.
Braves are smarter planning for a legit run by mid decade, like from 2014 to 16.
Brian from SC
July 6th, 2012
11:25 am
Jered Weaver, with pretty similar numbers to Hanson, got 4.265 his first arbitration year. I think $4 million is a pretty solid projection for Tommy.
Arkansas Transplant
July 6th, 2012
11:26 am
Efrim, I’m with you on EOF.. I’d be okay with a little shuttle work in the pen. I’d also be okay if we moved Uggla before the trading deadline or during the off season.
TennesseePaul
July 6th, 2012
11:26 am
They aren’t going to bring back the entire current roster by any means.
Especially if it fails to make it to the post season again.
TheOnlyBravesFan
July 6th, 2012
11:27 am
I’ve advocated making a trade with the Twins for Span.
Wow…. Span sukks. Bourn might be gone, but NWIH is Span is the answer… What’s with liking the less than ideal players? Francisco, Span….
Arkansas Transplant
July 6th, 2012
11:28 am
Garza, Dempster and Liriano aren’t going to help anything.
CrαZy
July 6th, 2012
11:28 am
Wren also sold high on Infante!!
Lew
July 6th, 2012
11:28 am
Nerucket (Lou/Earl) – Big difference in not trading Bourn now and calling it quits for the rest of this year and not signing him as a Free Agent.
Seems to me that you’re plan does nothing for the rest of 2012 and tears the team down to bare basics trading Bourn, Uggla or the rest of those you deem as gaining us – something.
This isn’t a 90 loss team with no hope for the future. You don’t clean house in that kind of manner unless you are.
Brian from SC
July 6th, 2012
11:28 am
And Justin Upton, who probably had a little better resume than Hewyard, got around $4.5 his first arbitration year. So I think 4 is a good number there, too.
Disgusted
July 6th, 2012
11:28 am
If the Braves want a Will Myers type of prospect they have to develop their own.
I’d like to see the Braves go for good international players, better than what we have had with guys like Salcedo and Yunel Mental Mistake-co bar.
I am still not sorry the Yunel trade was made. I like what we have at SS now I’d take Simmons over Andrus and Escobar now. .
Murph
July 6th, 2012
11:31 am
Lew, as far as I know, the baseball reference dot com number doesn’t take into account salaries for players who are leaving, only salaries for players with contracts, with options, and who are eligible for arbitration. In other words, guys who are a FA next season aren’t counted in the $73mil total, so Hinske/Diaz/Wilson/etc aren’t counted in that number.
Jaded Braves Fan
July 6th, 2012
11:31 am
I’m a little concerned about Teheran. When you watch a Verlander or a Cain, their stuff jumps out at you immediately. You don’t have to be a professional scout to notice their velocity and movement. You may say it’s unfair to hold Teheran to that high of a standard, but remember that coming into this season he was considered the No. 1 pitching prospect in the game. Everyone had him ticketed to be an ace. But when I watch him pitch, his stuff doesn’t scream “ace” to me. It screams “solid middle-of-the-rotation guy.”
I’m also worried that his peripherals have really slipped this year. He’s giving up more than a hit an inning with a pedestrian K/BB rate. I hope it’s simply a case of him pouting down there knowing he has nothing left to prove in the minors, though if that’s the case, you have to wonder about his makeup.
I wouldn’t look to trade Teheran because despite everything I’ve said I still like the kid, but if I were Wren and someone made me a strong offer for Teheran, I wouldn’t necessarily slam the phone on them.
Efrim
July 6th, 2012
11:31 am
Uggla, McCann and Hudson for 34.2 million. Prado(7.5), O’Flaherty(3.5), Hanson(4), Heyward(3.5), Venters(2), Medlen(1.5), C-Mart(1.25) = 57.45 million.
They’ll have around 25-30 million to spend, I think. Could be more if they deal some arb. eligible players.
Nerdbucket Moylan
July 6th, 2012
11:32 am
2010, 2011, and current season OBP’s for Denard Span .331., .328., .342. Lew, you’ve just lost all credibility. That is garbage…unacceptable production! Are you all caught in speed and defense again? What the hell does speed do for you if you can’t even get on base?!?!
Arkansas Transplant
July 6th, 2012
11:32 am
We’ll probably end up with Jason Vargas and then at season’s end having the FO say they did everything they could to improve this club but just don’t know what went wrong.
Brian from SC
July 6th, 2012
11:33 am
Efrim, if those are the only 10 Braves players, you need 25-30 million to get 15 more players. I would add about $5 million for pre-arb players like Kimbrel, Freeman, Teheran, etc.
Disgusted
July 6th, 2012
11:33 am
Most of this roster will be here for a while because it is mostly young, especially the pitching.
Freeman, Heyward and Simmons are building blocks. Uggla is signed long term, Prado should be here for at least 2 more, Mc Cann through 13 and with Bourn, who knows.
Lew
July 6th, 2012
11:34 am
Only Braves – You haver a poor sense of comprehension if that’s what youve taken from my posts.
First of all, I haven’t advocated Francsiscoas a Brave going forward – just predicted that given some playing time somewhere, that he’d be more productive than some believe and that the hatred directed towards hiwas screwed up in a major fashion/
As for Span – he’s a good defender, a decent offensive player with speed and the versatiltiy to play all three outfield positions. He could hold down center until we had Cunninham ready or we found a player moe suited to long range plans. He would also provide additional bench strength for the rest of 2012 and if we traded for both him and Liriano, we would steengthen the roation for the remainder of the year.