2:44 pm July 3, 2012, by Carroll Rogers
July 3rd, 20126:27 pm
yeah wilson is a plus defender still
July 3rd, 20126:29 pm
gee, I reckon JustSayin’ is just bein a sillyhead
And we wonder why the rest of this country thinks we are hillbillies. Wow!
The rest of the country thinks we’re hillbillies? How do you reckon that?
i reckon you have some sort of issues involving self esteem if you are hyper concerned about the external viewpoint of the “nawth”
in other words, grow up
nolie: He’s a star at the buffet….
July 3rd, 20126:30 pm
2nd in line so the Raccoon shall stay…..but please limit his feedings at the plate
July 3rd, 20126:31 pm
Do you reckon the Braves have a chance tonight?
July 3rd, 20126:32 pm
Any update on the weather. It is storming in Midtown, are they looking at a delay?
Wilson’s defense has seemed average to me, too, NickB.
July 3rd, 20126:33 pm
Who names replacements on the All Star Roster? LaRussa?
Only worry about the north if you are a ‘cross-dresser.’ Or when you fly to NY a white-haired CNN employee.
I reckon so Bat.
This game will start late, I reckon…
July 3rd, 20126:34 pm
Congrats to Chipper
no, he isn’t every defensive metric places him as dead avg
range factor – 3.00 (league avg 4.75)
July 3rd, 20126:36 pm
saw on tv, its pouring..game won’t start for awhile
July 3rd, 20126:37 pm
that would be about sample size Nick, and he is one helluva lot better than anybody else available bere
I would love to see Pendelton get a crack. Eddie Perez can be his right hand man. Fire Fredi NOW!
July 3rd, 20126:38 pm
updated story on Chipper making the NL All-Star team for your perusal.
July 3rd, 20126:39 pm
I would think that you would know by now that quoting a bunch of metrics to me is pretty worthless
July 3rd, 20126:40 pm
according to all the numbers I just looked at, he hasn’t been above avg since 2009
July 3rd, 20126:41 pm
then what? it would be one thing if there was only one metric that said avg to below avg…. but when ALL of em say that, to dismiss it seems….., well , kinda stubborn
July 3rd, 20126:43 pm
I’m happy for Chipper. I’ve been voting for Chipper for the final spot because I always figured Bourn would replace Kemp (outfielder for outfielder). If I knew Chipper was going to picked, I would have been voting for Bourn the whole time.
You guys should hire your services out to Mexican politicians. Vote vote vote vote vote vote… oops, he got killed by the Cartel. Hmmmm… oh, hey, new guy! Vote vote vote vote vote…
July 3rd, 20126:44 pm
Carroll, think they’ll get the game in tonight?
Well damn, that picture is not encouraging
July 3rd, 20126:45 pm
or indicates less belief in them than you possess. I was trained as a scout, so rightly or wrongly I depend on my eyes to judge defense. he is no longer great, but he is better than any others around here and the Braves tend to value defense at SS, so it is unlikely IMO that they would replace him with a guy who can’t field, which is what I said to begin with.
July 3rd, 20126:46 pm
I read that all bullpens are PRONE TO CHAOS” I think Mazzone won fourteen division titles and not one year did his bullpens fell to produce. NO CHAOS FOR MAZZONE!!!
July 3rd, 20126:48 pm
I’m not saying replace him with an ogre who can hit, but there has got to be some SS capable guy with more bat and equal glove
yeah right, he is soooo good that none of the other 29 teams in baseball have had anything to do with him even though many have changed pitching coaches over the years. He rode in on the coat tails of three HOFers . Big deal. He ruined Avery completely
go look at the braves bullpen ranking in the 90’s, then come back here
July 3rd, 20126:49 pm
If I knew Chipper was going to picked, I would have been voting for Bourn the whole time.
I know! I really wanted to vote for Bourn as I figured Chipper would be added by himself somehow (utility player or something, by LaRusa). It went the opposite. Gotta fire whoever said vote Chipper…..
The Real McCoy
July 3rd, 20126:50 pm
Did someone really post reckon on here? And we wonder why the rest of this country thinks we are hillbillies. Wow!
You got a problem with hillbillies? I reckon I could fix that.
July 3rd, 20126:51 pm
He rode in on the coat tails of three HOFers . Big deal. He ruined Avery completely
Don’t really know about Avery, but I agree with the first statement. If he really was that good, he’d still have a job. He couldn’t even help Baltimore…
on the other hand, perhaps Tony picked him because he was leading the voting
chipper doin fedo’s job. pretty blunt interview.
July 3rd, 20126:52 pm
nolie, i said it when it happened. it gets freese in.
July 3rd, 20126:53 pm
murph, only about an hour left tops.
or he coulda just have picked Freese if that was the big deal Uga, Freese still might not win
The Braves are not good enough to win now but I think they can be now and in the future with some shrewd deals. First, lets look at payroll available next year, needs this year and next year, and see what is possible. We have Chippers 14m and Lowe’s 10m to spend. We need a number 1 starter, a LF when Prado moves to third next year, and to resign Bourn. I think we should trade for Greinke now and sign him to a 5 year extension at 20m per year. The Brewers want pitching and a SS, so I would give them Pastornicky and either Minor, Delgado, or Tehran. Then I would trade Brian McCann. I think his best years are behind him, and he has trouble seeing the ball, especially in day games(.098 average in day games). This saves another 12m, so we now have 16m left to spend. I would trade McCann to Minn. for Willingham, Liriano, and a relief pitcher (Perkins is a LH we could probably use). Now your starting pitching this year is Greinke, Hanson, Hudson, JJ, and Liriano. Next year you trade Liriano and substitute Minor/ Delgado/ or Tehran, whoever hasnt been traded to Milwalkie and who wins the job. You also have Beachy if he is healthy by the allstar break. You have Willingham (.270, 18 HRs) for LF signed for 2012 and 2013 at 7m, and you sign Bourn for 10m per year for 5 years. You have additional pop this year and beyond and most of your young pitching. I think Ross and Boscan, and down the road Bettancourt will be fine at catcher.
never mind cowdogit, I did it for you
during Mazzone’s tenure the Braves were tenth in relief pitching (1989-2005)
under McDowell (2005-2012)
Braves have been eleventh
considering the lower payroll, I’d say Mcdowell is doing pretty well with the pen
July 3rd, 20126:54 pm
It rained before JJ’s start in Boston, too, and he pitched one of the best games he’s ever thrown as a Brave.
Perhaps tonight will be a repeat. Or perhaps he’ll give up 10ER in 2 innings.
defensive metrics still leave a lot to be desired…do they rate the speed of a pitch off a hitters bat? If the defenders are playing in a shift? I knew a lot of work was needed when they would be quoted on MLBTR and Tex and LaRoche were not considered way above average….
July 3rd, 20126:55 pm
Hey “Real McCoy” don’t you be stirrin up no trouble!
July 3rd, 20126:56 pm
I was willing to read you drivel, even if you are wrong (sign Greinke at 20mil/yr) but this is crap
I would trade McCann to Minn. for Willingham, Liriano, and a relief pitcher (Perkins is a LH we could probably use).
We’re not trading BMac and Minnesota doesn’t need him.
Tex and LaRoche were not considered way above average…….berry
Tex is, Roachy no so much
william in pasadena
July 3rd, 20126:57 pm
Where are you guys getting 14 hr’s for Pastornicky? It said 14 doubles. Doubles are not HR’s. Some of you guys should not post. It shows your lack of baseball intelligence.
Damn, stuffing the hell out of the ballot box for Bourn. How many votes do you get??
July 3rd, 20126:58 pm
Celebrities come and go, a moment of reflection, life goes on.
But losin’ ol’ Andy really, really hurts today.
whats the weather like now
July 3rd, 20126:59 pm
Alright, time to go home.
Have a safe and happy 4th tomorrow everyone. Ward, don’t blow yourself up.
as many as you want Navy
July 3rd, 20127:00 pm
Many were poo pooing Josh Willingham when they thought he might come to the Braves, well he is batting 267 with 17 home runs and 56 R.B.I. sounds like a pretty productive right hand stick to me.
NickB, no point in trying to reason with cowdogit. He thinks Constanza should be playing over Chipper and then says our posts make us look like 10 year olds. Just one of the many village idiots on this blog.
OK… gonna let the carpal tunnel subside…then continue.
July 3rd, 20127:01 pm
#1-The Braves are McCann and Uggla getting HOT away from taking the division IMO
#2-The Braves are the ONLY team in the NL East without an ACE (mets-santana, marlins-johnson, washington-gio/stras and phillies-halladay)……Therefore, GREINKE is a necessity
#3-the Braves HAVE to pick up Hudson’s option next year or else they’ll be in the SAME boat looking for a starting pitcher
#4-With Chipper, Lowe, and JJ’s $$$ off the books, the Braves should have enough $$ to sign Greinke, Bourn, Prado at 3B, and a corner OF
July 3rd, 20127:02 pm
you missed it william, Carroll typed in 14 HRs for Pastornicky… next time don’t be so critical without knowing the facts.
Greinke hasn’t impressed the past year and a half pitching in arguably the worst division in baseball.
Thus far he’s been terrible in the postseason.
Save the prospects & go after Liriano who has more postseason experience, is pitching quite well, and won’t cost an arm and a leg. Save the prospects for a hitter via trade, preferably in the offseason when we can probably sign Greinke anyways.
July 3rd, 20127:03 pm
The point is that it makes no sense for the Braves to value defense in the backup shortstop when they already have quite possibly the best defensive shortstop in the game playing everyday. We need a backup infielder with nothing more than a serviceable glove who can hit … in other words, someone other than Jack Wilson.
I was surprised he only got $7 mill a year to be honest, but his defense leaves a lot to be desired….
Twins may move him, but I would think it would be in the offseason where they can present a full season of production and try to squeeze more out of him from more buyers
July 3rd, 20127:07 pm
just heard it was an estimated 30 minutes til the game starts
July 3rd, 20127:08 pm
Wow! There are a lot of wife beaters on here and I’m not talking about clothing. I was unaware that trailers had internet.
McFann :Ô: :Ô: :ô:
Boo! Rain delays stink…
At least it’s a short one. But too bad it couldn’t knock Volstad out of the game…
July 3rd, 20127:09 pm
As much as I like EOF, lefties are usually a bargain for Braves.
They had Mahay, then transitioned to Will Ohman and then EOF. The two prior to EOF, did a remarkable job. Seems like Braves have good luck with lefties in the pen.
July 3rd, 20127:12 pm
Are they playing Jeff Franoeur’s “In My OwnWords” again?
Well our chances of winning are pretty low. Only thing positive is that it’s not monday.
Were playing a crap team, a very crappy pitcher and were at home so those are all negatives.
July 3rd, 20127:16 pm
it does make sense, if Simmons goes down they still want decent defense, backup SS is not usually about defensive replacement in game unless the starter is poor.
July 3rd, 20127:17 pm
This team is missing more than one piece. I say, limp to the barn this season, let the kid arms start next season, trade old pieces for young this season, and start a legit rebuilding program with the kid starters, Heyward, Freeman, Simmons, Venters and Kimbrel, and the new young additions as your cornerstones. That excites me!
Be bolder and don’t re-sign a soon-to-be expensive Bourn; Costanza can play CF next year until Lipka is ready. As long as Prado doesn’t ask for the moon, he’s a keeper at 3B. Uggla should be traded for multiple young positional pieces – ESPECIALLY OF’S, as should Bourn, JJ, Hudson, and (to a lesser extent) Hinske. I’m sorry, but even McCann doesn’t fit in this plan; let a stop-gap vet sharing time with Ross groom the kid arms in 2013 until Betancourt is ready in 2014.
We’re not gonna win anything this year with what we’ve got, and we are going to lose BIG next year by trading young assets now for what we need – which is more than a little bit.
As Leo Durocher once said, “Back up the truck!”
July 3rd, 20127:18 pm
According to the Atlanta Braves twitter, the sun is out at Turner Field now.
tarp is coming off
July 3rd, 20127:19 pm
we all know who Just Saying is. he always abuses the South , a total idiot about both baseball and most everything else. Just another hater folks, nothing to see here….
July 3rd, 20127:21 pm
good lord there are more idiots here than i first believed…………
July 3rd, 20127:22 pm
In short, the last Braves rebuilding job was in 1990.
I think we are way overdue for a legit rebuild. The timing right now is pretty close to perfect.
trade old pieces for young this season, and start a legit rebuilding program with the kid starters, Heyward, Freeman, Simmons, Venters and Kimbrel, and the new young additions as your cornerstones. ..MBBF
they will have no old pieces to trade, they are already about the youngest starting tean in baseball ans Chipper,Wilson and Hinske will be gone. who would rebuild an extremely young team, and with what? Nobody in the minors is anywhere near ready, and all we have to trade is young players now
The A Bomb
Lincecum getting touched up….
WASHINGTON 2 SAN FRANCISCO 0 BOT 2
July 3rd, 20127:23 pm
Nick B I agree…..
July 3rd, 20127:24 pm
I guess the 7 o’clock hour was tired of seeing McCann slump…..
I don’t reckon that “Just Saying” would be much trouble. Probably take one McCoy to take care of him or three Hatfields. One Hatfield if he turns his back.
July 3rd, 20127:28 pm
Any word on when the game is going to get started?
July 3rd, 20127:29 pm
nolie, the lack of positional players in the minors is alarming. However, the young arms are there. Trading for playoff pieces for this team this year is like spending good cash for a new, expensive door, for a house on the edge of the wrong side of the tracks.
Still on the wrong side of the tracks, when what you need to do with the good “money” you have is move.
July 3rd, 20127:30 pm
David O’Brien @ajcbraves
first pitch scheduled for 8 p.m.
Mark Bowman @mlbbowman
First pitch is scheduled for 8 p.m. ET #Braves #Cubs
Atlanta Braves @Braves
First pitch slated for 8 pm. #playball
July 3rd, 20127:31 pm
8PM first pitch
will ohman is available as lefty specialist
Brian Fuentes and Bobby Jenks are available too
July 3rd, 20127:32 pm
nolie, the lack of positional players in the minors is alarming.
Huge understatement…. been like this for at least 3 years, maybe more. Gawd, I wish we had drafted Mike Trout….
July 3rd, 20127:33 pm
Ben Maller @benmaller
Don Mattingly on Chipper Jones replacing Matt Kemp in All-Star game: “I think that’s really cool.” #Dodgers
July 3rd, 20127:34 pm
but you don’t blow up a team that is this good, if they were 29-43 then sure, but they aren’t.
you spend the money to improve both for this year and the next. you go after the big starter, next season you go after a big corner bat and a young controllable CF’er.
your plan would have the Braves under .500 for 3 or 4 years
Agree with you, or like I said, trade the abundance of young arms for young hitters this offseason. Just like Glavine and Smotlz in the early 90’s, it takes time for young pitchers to get acclimated with the bigs. Why give up on them so early for just a taste of October, which could be 1 game.
I’m so glad Chipper is going to the AllStar game, I don’t care that I voted for him a cajillion times, just glad he’s going! It’s fitting he should be there, he deserves it just based on his career. Now I’m voting for Michael!! I think it’s great if we get Greinke, I’m not opposed to giving up one of the young guns, but I’ll be sad if it was Randall. Come on Braves, this Cubs team stinks, gotta win.
July 3rd, 20127:35 pm
noles, would you trade Delgado for Greinke?
Also, what are your thoughts on going for it over the next six months given that the NL stinks and the Braves don’t have any star prospects in the system above Low-A. May as well package em and get what we can? Thoughts?
July 3rd, 20127:37 pm
Greinke hasn’t impressed the past year and a half pitching in arguably the worst division in baseball.
Have you seen his stats this year? What in the world doesn’t impress you?
July 3rd, 20127:38 pm
Thank you for the information.
July 3rd, 20127:39 pm
EIGHT PM??? What the heck…
July 3rd, 20127:40 pm
idk, I just have a problem trading young arms for a 3 month rental in another pitcher who has mental problems, and in 3 postseason starts hasn’t performed. Might as well go for Liriano who is cheaper and arb-eligible for next year.
5-0 Washington, they beat pitchers that they’re suppose to beat….
July 3rd, 20127:41 pm
Tomahawk Mafia: You’re welcome
Efrim@7:37 LOL, he’s been very impressive this year for sure. I don’t know if he’s the right guy to trade for, but I sure wouldn’t hate it if he came here. Good pitcher.
I think mike minor will go for Greinke
July 3rd, 20127:42 pm
EIGHT PM??? What the heck…
It’s only 20 minutes…
the 8pm hour hasn’t gotten tired of mccann’s struggles yet, I guess McFann. This game needs to start at 10 for BMac to hit….
July 3rd, 20127:43 pm
Gee whiz — play ball! It’s going on 8:00! BTW, I agree with others that we need to “send it to the barn” this season (especially with our current case of Fredi-itis) and nurture, mature, and develop the talent we have, with an eye toward making a solid pickup on the market in the meantime.
Waffle House or Bust
The David Justice story is sad. Imagine what could have been here if he stayed. On another note… would be cool if they would show classic Braves games during rain delays instead of these “In My Own Words” shows. Those are played out.
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