Setting up Jurrjens vs. Volstad, mulling Greinke

(Staff writer Carroll Rogers is filling in for David O’Brien today.)

Well, happy Tuesday, folks. And what I really mean is happy any day that’s not Monday, right? The Braves, now 0-11 on Mondays, will try to rebound tonight against Chris Volstad, whom the Cubs called up to pitch tonight in place of Ryan Dempster (DL with a strained lat muscle).

The Braves know Volstad well from his days with the Marlins. He is 2-4 with a 4.22 ERA in nine starts against the Braves. Volstad last faced them on Sept. 12, when he allowed two runs in five innings of a game the Marlins won 5-4 in 12 innings.

Volstad went winless in eight starts with the Cubs to start the season, going 0-6 with a 7.46 ERA. He wasn’t a whole lot better in the minors, going 2-3 with a 4.44 ERA in Triple-A Iowa.

Jair Jurrjens knows a little bit about that, trying to show his major league club he’s back on track. He’s allowed three earned runs in 13 1/3 innings in two starts since his return from Triple-A Gwinnett. He dominated in his first start back against Boston and was solid in his last start against Arizona. The Braves could use a quality start and a win tonight against a team the Braves should have the upper hand on.

Eye on Greinke

It seems there will be a little bit more of a waiting game to see if the Braves are able to pull off a trade for Brewers ace Zack Greinke, given that the Brewers haven’t yet decided – at least publicly – they’re in selling mode just yet. The Brewers have three straight series against NL Central opponents coming out of the All-Star break and by then they should have a pretty good idea.

The Braves have one of their top scouts in Milwaukee last night to watch Greinke pitch against the Marlins. He gave up five runs in six innings but took a no-decision to remain unbeaten in 22 starts at Miller Park with the Brewers.

By all accounts, it sounds as though the Braves are prepared to spend the kind of money it would take to sign Grienke long-term, not just as a short-term rental. Whether or not they’d go all in at close to $20 million annually remains to be seen or if they can get him for somewhere closer to $15 million.

But the Braves are not the only team vying for his services. The Rangers are in the hunt as well, so it could come down to who has the best return to offer. At this point, it seems the Braves would be prepared to part with one of their previously untouchable three arms – Mike Minor, Randall Degado and Julio Teheran (Arodys Vizcaino is recovering from Tommy John and not an option now) – because while all three still have high upside, the Braves are in need of a proven veteran arm. So perhaps one of those pitchers and a position-player prospect would entice the Brewers.

Greinke makes his home in Orlando, which is where the Braves train, so that figures to help the Braves cause. And Braves GM Frank Wren has had recent dealings with Greinke’s agent Casey Close because he also represents Ben Sheets, whom the Braves just signed to a minor league deal.

The Braves figure to keep exploring all their options, including those that are more affordable financially like Francisco Liriano, Dempster and Matt Garza.

Final Vote

Major League Baseball released a tally of the “First Vote” standings this morning and Chipper Jones was first in the NL vote, followed by Cardinals third baseman David Freese, Nats outfielder Bryce Harper, D-backs second baseman Aaron Hill and Michael Bourn.

Harper surrendered some of the vote, I’m sure, when he said he himself would vote for Chipper. And Freese has the full weight of the active Cardinal fanbase behind him, so perhaps because of that, he’s the real challenge. Major League Baseball did not releases hard figures but said Jones had only a slim lead, and that nine of the 10 players in both the NL and AL considered had garnered one million votes.

You’ve got until Thursday at 4 p.m. to cast ballots at www.mlb.com/vote.

Simmons on rookie of month

I got a chance to talk to Andrelton Simmons after the game last night, and in case you missed the updated version of that story, about what the thought about winning rookie of the month for June, his very first month in the big leagues. He said it was “pretty special,” and called it a “big accomplishment.”

He led all rookies with a .330 batting average and a .365 on-base percentage, and his .522 slugging percentage was second-highest. I was reminded of his first day in the majors when he faced Stephen Strasburg, and didn’t act intimidated at all. Went 0-for-3 on the day (0-for-2) but hit one of the hardest hit balls off Strasburg that day into a double play

“I learned from the first day, I’ve got to be aggressive,” Simmons said. “Don’t be afraid of the pitchers. If you get your pitch to hit early in the count, go ahead, especially in the No. 8 hole. I’ve been seeing the ball really well. I’m working with the coaches a lot in the cages, stuff I feel I need to work on to get better, and it’s been paying off.”

‘82 celebration

Oh the power of Twitter. Apparently reacting to requests from Braves fans, asking Dale Murphy if the Braves are doing anything to commemorate the 30th anniversary of the 1982 team, the Braves Hall-of-Famer decided to organize one.

So for a lucky 50 fans, Murphy is hosting a 30th anniversary celebration for the 1982 Braves team with a day of festivities before the Braves-Mets game on Sept. 29 at Turner Field, Chipper Jones’ second-to-last home game at Turner Field.

Tickets include a luncheon at the CNN Center Omni Hotel with Murphy, Phil Niekro, Bob Horner, Gene Garber, Bruce Benedict and Pete Van Wieren, valet parking at CNN and a bus ride to the site of Atlanta-Fulton County stadium, a VIP tour of Turner Field and the Braves Hall of Fame guided by Murphy, on-field access for batting practice, and a suite at the game with the 1982 players, along with various signed paraphernalia. The cost is $1,500 and only 50 spots are available. For more information, go to www.82babybluefest.com.

Gwinnett streak

After losing 15 in a row, the Gwinnett Braves have started a streak the other way, and in pretty exciting fashion. They won last night on a walk-off in the 12th inning after Tyler Pastornicky drove in Luis Durango from third base on a fielder’s choice. Newcomer D.J. Carrasco pitched a scoreless 12th inning for his first win with Gwinnett. This is after they snapped their losing streak on Sunday when Felix Pie hit a walk-off single to score Pastornicky in the ninth inning of a 6-5 win vs. Charlotte.

By the way, Pastornicky it hitting .273 in 32 games since he was demoted to Triple-A, with 14 doubles and 17 RBIs. He’s played five games at second base and the rest at his usual shortstop. So nothing yet in the outfield.

Braves lineup:

1. Michael Bourn CF

2. Martin Prado LF

3. Jason Heyward RF

4. Chipper Jones 3B

5. Freddie Freeman 1B

6. Dan Uggla 2B

7. Brian McCann C

8. Andrelton Simmons SS

9. Jair Jurrjens P

1,723 comments Add your comment

One Big Dummy

July 3rd, 2012
2:46 pm

No to Greinke! We need to SELL, not BUY!

FIRST

TheOnlyBravesFan

July 3rd, 2012
2:47 pm

2nd…. We need to buy, not sell…. Maybe Greinke is the answer, maybe not. We will see.

Trader Jack

July 3rd, 2012
2:50 pm

If Grienke is worth $20 mil, why would he settle for $13-15? Like everything else, he too has an expiration date, and you get what you can,

Duke

July 3rd, 2012
2:50 pm

Pastornicky with 14 bombs so far in 32 games!!?? Typo for sure…

Duke

July 3rd, 2012
2:51 pm

One Big Dummy,

Perfect name for you it seems…

Jeff R

July 3rd, 2012
2:52 pm

To continue from the last blog:

Has anyone confirmed that $20 million per is Greinke’s asking price?

This. He doesn’t want a big-market team, and is said to like the Braves… who says he won’t take less, like 13-15 mil?

This is a good point. $20 million per are big market dollars. I’ve read and heard all along that Greinke has no intention of going to NYC, L.A., or Philly (if the Phils were inclined to spend).

If Greinke wants a midsize market, he’d have to have fairly realistic expectations for a contract, no?

Calvin

July 3rd, 2012
2:52 pm

I’m guessing you mean 4 hrs and 17 RBI since Pastor’s demotion?

One Big Dummy

July 3rd, 2012
2:53 pm

Right, because bringing Greinke here or whomever else you can think of is going to change the CULTURE. Gimme a break!

Braveone

July 3rd, 2012
2:53 pm

From the previous blog which had 2,009 comments, Efrim led the way with 81 posts. There were 221 different poster names. Here are the Top 25:

Rank Poster Frequency

1 Efrim 81
2 ChattTownBrian 72
3 Tomahawkin 68
4 Bat Masterson 62
5 NickB 60
6 TheOnlyBravesFan 58
7 jeffrey d 58
8 Jeff R 57
9 nolie 53
10 Arkansas Transplant 49
11 ncscoots 35
12 Ease 34
13 Shaun 34
14 Tomahawk Mafia 33
15 ncbravesfan90 33
16 richbrave 32
17 brian 31
18 phil 30
19 IlliniBrave 29
20 Capt.Mudd 27
21 Jimmy 27
22 TennesseePaul 27
23 Brava 25
24 Lew 25
25 David O’Brien 23

Jekyll and Hyde

July 3rd, 2012
2:54 pm

Perhaps the posts that make your head spin around like Linda Blair in the Exorcist, are the ones where people post their imaginary lineups that would be winners, and fill them with people who are already wearing Braves uniforms and not producing! lol

Jimmy

July 3rd, 2012
2:54 pm

Must be typo. 14 HR and 17 RBI’s.

Murph

July 3rd, 2012
2:54 pm

Neither buy nor sell… wait it out and look forward to NEXT YEAR.

Duke

July 3rd, 2012
2:57 pm

Jeff R,

I agree. If Greinke wants to be in a small market then he must know that he will have to take less dollars. He must be fine with that. I don’t see any reason why we couldn’t sign him for $15 Mil a year. Seems very realistic.

onebravosfan

July 3rd, 2012
2:58 pm

I’m not a big fan of buying either…Especially giving up one of our prospect arms for a half year rental. Our team is so up and down, some days we do not need any help and other days the whole team looks pathetic so one pitcher won’t help. Besides some minor improvement like a right handed bench bat or a relief pitcher, we should stay put. The Rangers can be the ones selling the farm for once…

Duke

July 3rd, 2012
2:59 pm

One Big Dummy,

Maybe because you said we should sell. We are 5 games out of first my man…

Fish Bisch

July 3rd, 2012
2:59 pm

Demote Androtron and Promote Pastornicky! 14 bombs in 32 games!!!!

Jeff R

July 3rd, 2012
2:59 pm

Duke, I don’t think Greinke or his agent live on Mars and don’t get mid-market economics. Unless Greinke has a change of heart and opts for the dollars that a big market team can pony up.

ncbravesfan

July 3rd, 2012
3:00 pm

Here’s exactly what will happen if we bring Greinke over.

He will win some games BUT …

He will have games that he will lose because of lack of run support (sound familiar?)
He will have games that he will lose because the bullpen blows his leads (sound familiar?)
He will have games that he will lose because his manager leaves him in too long or takes him out too soon (sound familiar?)

He is a difference maker on a team where a difference can be made. That’s not here. Not this year.

Duke

July 3rd, 2012
3:00 pm

I would give the Brewers Minor and a lower level prospect for Grienke. That is an easy decision.

Hillbilly

July 3rd, 2012
3:01 pm

either buy nor sell… wait it out and look forward to NEXT YEAR.

Chipper will be ecstatic to hear that at the end of the season as he shakes Frank’s numb, lifeless hand that has an impression of his back pocket mashed into it from being sat on for all of these years.

keylargo

July 3rd, 2012
3:02 pm

132 10 36 14 0 0

Thats AB, Runs, HIts, 2B, 3B, HR

TheOnlyBravesFan

July 3rd, 2012
3:02 pm

14 HR and 17 RBI for Rev…. talk about useless solo shots.

NickB

July 3rd, 2012
3:02 pm

Check this out everyone:

http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2012/07/zack-greinke-rumors-tuesday.html

apparently, Greinke wants to play for the Braves more than any other team….. It’s really looking like we get him,IMO

Duke

July 3rd, 2012
3:02 pm

Jeff R, which he won’t do. He has stated numerous times his ideal landing spots. Atlanta would fit that. No reason to not offer up Minor and a lower level for the guy. Sign him to an extension for $15 and call it a day.

Jeff R

July 3rd, 2012
3:03 pm

Perhaps the posts that make your head spin around like Linda Blair in the Exorcist, are the ones where people post their imaginary lineups that would be winners, and fill them with people who are already wearing Braves uniforms and not producing! lol

Actually, I just keep hitting the “Submit Comment” button and post a lot of “Enter your comment here” lines. That nice scientist used to give me bananas for doing that.

Trader Jack

July 3rd, 2012
3:03 pm

The Atlanta metro area is larger than both Boston and the San Fran/Oakland markets (which supports two teams). Over time Atlanta has grown into a large market.

Woody Woodward

July 3rd, 2012
3:04 pm

Sad to read about the passing of Andy Griffith. He was a great talent. Face in the Crowd was a fantastic movie.

TheOnlyBravesFan

July 3rd, 2012
3:05 pm

14 doubles for Rev, not HR…. this is Carroll and not DOB, so maybe she’ll fix the typo ;)

NickB: Looks that way. He seems to be the guy the Braves want, let’s see if the Brewers will let it happen. At the very least, I would think that the Braves might try to offer him a contract in the offseason (unless Milwaukee keeps him and offers arbitration)

Jeff R

July 3rd, 2012
3:05 pm

He [Greinke] is a difference maker on a team where a difference can be made. That’s not here. Not this year.

IF the Braves could lock up Greinke longer term, does that make a difference in your thinking, ncbravesfan?

Lee Maye

July 3rd, 2012
3:06 pm

I would go for trading Minor, but not Teheran or Delgado. Too much and even 15 mil is too much for Greinke. Especially if McCann and Uggla are kept at 24 mil per year.

Better idea: get Liriano and trade Uggla and McCann over the winter. That would free up about 64 mil for next year. Play Prado at 2B and use Ross, Gattis, and Bethancourt at C. Gattis in LF and Terdo as a switchhitting utility at 3B, 1B, and LF. Then, go out and resign Bourn and get a power hitting righthanded hitting OF.

TheOnlyBravesFan

July 3rd, 2012
3:09 pm

Lee Maye: You lost all credibility when you said trade Uggla and McCann. Your ideas at catcher suck, btw. Liriano is trash, not a a great option unless he’s your 5. He can be good at times, but is kinda wild more often than not.

Venice Jim

July 3rd, 2012
3:09 pm

Atlanta Braves ‏@Braves
Tonight’s lineup vs. CHI (7:10, SPSO/680AM/BRN): Bourn 8 Prado 7 Heyward 9 Jones 5 Freeman 3 Uggla 4 McCann 2 Simmons 6 Jurrjens 1

Murph

July 3rd, 2012
3:09 pm

Chipper will be ecstatic to hear that at the end of the season

I like Chipper, don’t get me wrong, but nothing should be done that leverages the team’s future just based on this being Chipper’s last season.

I don’t know if the team could make the postseason even if it were able to acquire Greinke and Sabathia, so is it really worth the prospects to try?

I sound like such a pout-pout fish today, but that’s the way I feel. I don’t think this is the team to go all-in on.

Len Barker

July 3rd, 2012
3:10 pm

We need the same thing we’ve needed for years now- a right handed power hitter- not Greinke. If he comes here, he’ll be a rent a player and leave for bigger $ next year. Our pitching is not good, but our inconsistent hitting (consistently poor against lefties) is a bigger problem. Try to package McCann with one of the 3- Minor, Delgado, or Tehran and get something to help this woeful offense! Can we beat the mighty Volsted tonight?

Steve From Dalton

July 3rd, 2012
3:10 pm

Francisco Liriano looks like a good pick up. Not a guy that you want pitching out of the pen but a cheap lefty for the rotation.

TheOnlyBravesFan

July 3rd, 2012
3:10 pm

Move Simmons up, IMO. But that’s just nitpicking. Like this lineup (for now)

keylargo

July 3rd, 2012
3:10 pm

Andy Griffith – Will Stockdale US Air Force!

Jeff R

July 3rd, 2012
3:10 pm

I’m not sure Greinke sees Atlanta as larger. Atlanta certainly doesn’t have the media intensity of the big markets. It may just be a comfort factor for Greinke, having grown up in Orlando a Braves fan. And I’m sure he made more than a trip or two to Atlanta growing up (or passed through on trips).

But, who knows? Greinke is supposed to suffer social anxiety, hence, the smaller market focus. If he wants a lot less than L.A., let’s say, he’ll have to accept a smaller contract, whether that’s Atlanta, Cincy, Pittsburgh or comparable cities.

Jekyll and Hyde

July 3rd, 2012
3:11 pm

Bill Veeck said:

“It isn’t the high price of stars that is expensive, it’s the high price of mediocrity.”

The Braves seem to be the poster child for that philosophy. 25 or 30 mil coming off the books, but gotta give pay increases to people who are hitting .225 is going to eat up a lot of that.

I’m actually pro-union but it beats the hell out of me how a player can do a worse job than he did the year before and get a raise in arbitration! Thats a deal people in the real world don’t get.

NickB

July 3rd, 2012
3:12 pm

Lee Maye

Terdo isn’t ready fr MLB pitching and his defense at 3rd is awful

bethancourt is struggling with AA pitching

Gattis is a lousy defensive catcher

smart teams do not create problems by trading away performing veterans, a 3 week slump isn’t a reason to trade Uggla when compared to his great prior 2 months

Mac is still a top 10 hitting catcher even with his problems this year, yes, catcher hitting is THAT bad league wide.

Venice Jim

July 3rd, 2012
3:12 pm

Did Lee Maye just DFA Heyward?

Murph

July 3rd, 2012
3:12 pm

i know I’m down in the dumps about the Braves when even I am sick of hearing about Gattis. The guy hasn’t picked up a bat in over a month… at this point he’s no more exciting than Bethancourt or Salcedo.

Jeff R

July 3rd, 2012
3:13 pm

I’m actually pro-union but it beats the hell out of me how a player can do a worse job than he did the year before and get a raise in arbitration! Thats a deal people in the real world don’t get.

If it can happen at GM, why not in the MLB? :)

Duke

July 3rd, 2012
3:13 pm

He didn’t DFA him; he traded Heyward to the Nationals for cash considerations…

TennesseePaul

July 3rd, 2012
3:14 pm

Thanks for the work CR.

GO BRAVES!!

Last 9 Starts of the Starting 9

_________AVG__OBP__SLG___OPS_wOBA_L9S9+
Bourn__ .278 .326 .417 0.742 .338 ___98
Prado__ .353 .415 .471 0.885 .384 __138
Heyward .297 .325 .514 0.839 .353 __121
Chipper .344 .447 .594 1.041 .471 __177
Freeman .333 .378 .515 0.894 .363 __138
Uggla__ .125 .243 .156 0.399 .186 ___11
McCann_ .167 .189 .194 0.384 .155 ____4
Simmons .333 .371 .515 0.887 .409 __136
Jurrjen .143 .250 .143 0.393 .147 ___10

Mark

July 3rd, 2012
3:14 pm

Braves should be selling. Grienke could come to the Braves right now, pitch 3 complete games, give up 2 runs in all three and be 0 and 3 as a Brave with a 2 era.

We can’t score

TennesseePaul

July 3rd, 2012
3:15 pm

I don’t know if the team could make the postseason even if it were able to acquire Greinke and Sabathia, so is it really worth the prospects to try?

Good lesson for the kids there Murph: “You know kids, if you don’t think you can do it, don’t even try.”

Tina

July 3rd, 2012
3:16 pm

If we want to upgrade fire FREDDI>

Wow

July 3rd, 2012
3:18 pm

“He [Greinke] is a difference maker on a team where a difference can be made. That’s not here. Not this year.”

With how winnable the NL is looking, if the Braves can’t win this year, then I don’t see them winning for a while. It’s only going to get worse as the years go by with the Nationals on top.

NickB

July 3rd, 2012
3:18 pm

Mark

6 of our 14 losses since June 1st we scored at least 4 runs, that’s a pitching problem

Bayou Brave

July 3rd, 2012
3:19 pm

14 HRs!?! Call the kid up!

brian

July 3rd, 2012
3:19 pm

people are talking about whether or not it is reasonable to get Greinke based on our payroll limitations.

I would ask that if we get Greinke, does it make it more likely we deal McCann in the offseason rather than extend him

Jimmy

July 3rd, 2012
3:19 pm

NickB – “Gattis is a lousy defensive catcher”

That, right there Sir, will get you banned from this blog!
Do you understand?
;-)

Hillbilly

July 3rd, 2012
3:20 pm

I don’t know if the team could make the postseason even if it were able to acquire Greinke and Sabathia, so is it really worth the prospects to try?

The NL East has never seemed more winnable to me than it does this year. Maybe I’m way off, I don’t know. What I do know is that this is pretty much the same team that’s been on the field for going on 12 months, now, with no improvements over the winter, and no improvements in performance.

cricket

July 3rd, 2012
3:20 pm

Thats a deal people in the real world don’t get.

sports are part of real world, they do get paid real money..

archie

July 3rd, 2012
3:24 pm

All right, the Braves are going with that Murderers Row lineup in spots 4-7: One-base-at-a-time baseball. Chipper, Freeman, Uggla, McCann! Get 4 singles, you score a run!

Jimmy

July 3rd, 2012
3:24 pm

Murph – “The guy hasn’t picked up a bat in over a month”

Maybe not, but he is dominating the DL.

Mixxo

July 3rd, 2012
3:25 pm

“sports are part of real world, they do get paid real money..”

:mrgreen:

archie

July 3rd, 2012
3:26 pm

Pittsburgh Pirates payroll is $20 million less than the Braves. Guess who has the best record?

Frankie Wren

July 3rd, 2012
3:26 pm

The Giants won the West on the last day in 2010 when the Braves got in WC. That team was brutal offensively a tweak here and there and they came alive. Great pitching sure but challenged offensively.

Telling me the Braves can’t make a run if a Dempster or Greinke is picked up? Add some bench personal and maybe a reliever.

Horse hockey. This season can be turn into special big.

One Big Dummy

July 3rd, 2012
3:26 pm

I just don’t see how Greinke would all of a sudden turn us into World Beaters. If we pick up Greinke, are we suddenly going to go 30-11 at home in the second half? I think not.

We might only be 5 games out of first, but we were also 9.5 up in the wild card last year with 30 to play. Being 5 out means nothing when you can’t win at home or win on Monday.

Management needs to go before any other moves are made. It’s plain as day… To most of us.

Jeff R

July 3rd, 2012
3:26 pm

brian, the Braves could choose not to pick up options on Hudson and McCann, though I doubt that will happen.

Len Barker

July 3rd, 2012
3:26 pm

Even if we get Grienke and a big hitter- does anyone here really believe Freddie can get the job done?

Mike S

July 3rd, 2012
3:27 pm

What do you think it would take to get Liriano AND Willingham in a package deal?

I like that idea the best, centered around something involving Minor and Pastornicky, but I’m sure it will take more than that; the question is how much. And, conceivably, it’d have to be more than or equal to what Minnesota could get by trading them individually. But I think those two fit our needs the most, without having to go way overboard with the prospects given. DOB/Carroll/Others, thoughts?

Heisenberg

July 3rd, 2012
3:27 pm

If Braves get Grienke, they need to try to bring Joe Johnson back from the Nets so he can have someone to play hoops with.

Hillbilly

July 3rd, 2012
3:27 pm

I sound like such a pout-pout fish today, but that’s the way I feel. I don’t think this is the team to go all-in on.

Murph, I now pronounce you MurPPF. What would Caminiti say?

Frankie Wren

July 3rd, 2012
3:28 pm

“Pittsburgh Pirates payroll is $20 million less than the Braves. Guess who has the best record?”

BFD, it’s July 3rd not October 3rd. Post that again in September for me.

tiger297

July 3rd, 2012
3:28 pm

so management is responsible for the home woes and lack of wins on monday’s?

want to make sure I get that right its pretty deep

Jeff R

July 3rd, 2012
3:31 pm

The Pirates season isn’t finished, but you have to hand it to Neal Huntington, the Pirates GM. He stripped down the Pirates when he came over from Cleveland and became very aggressive in rebuilding restocking the farm system.

I think Huntington’s work with the Pirates has begun to pay off, and the Pirates still have some really good talent bubbling up through their system. The Pirates aren’t flashes in the pan.

cricket

July 3rd, 2012
3:32 pm

Management needs to go before any other moves are made. It’s plain as day… To most of us.

it isn’t clear to me. guess i’m just a one big dummy.
if this management had any guts, they would at the least banish mondays from the calendar.

keylargo

July 3rd, 2012
3:33 pm

Thats a deal people in the real world don’t get.

Yeah, but the young MLB players have to “suffer” through making $400K to $600K their first 3 years.

cricket

July 3rd, 2012
3:35 pm

Even if we get Grienke and a big hitter- does anyone here really believe Freddie can get the job done?

i do.

btw, i would venture that pirates are not going to win their division or WC in near future, even if they have a good team. just my opinion. if this turns out to be true, it underscores how tough it is to compete with a low payroll.

Murph

July 3rd, 2012
3:35 pm

Good lesson for the kids there Murph: “You know kids, if you don’t think you can do it, don’t even try.”

Just last week I came home to the 4 year standing on top of the dining room table (which is an elevated “pub style” table, taller than your average dining room table)… in front of her on the floor was Mrs Murph’s jogging trampoline, and beyond that was a pile of her stuffed animals.

I asked the 6 year old what the plan was, and she explained that she had talked the 4 year old into trying one of the tricks they’ve seen on Wipeout, their favorite show.

Being the responsible dad I surveyed the situation and made a quick evaluation as to the safety of the stunt. I gave the 4 year old what I saw as the three possible outcomes. One, she hits the trampoline perfectly and flies across the floor, landing perfectly in her pile of friends. Two, she misses the trampoline completely and breaks her leg. Three, she hits the trampoline but either overshoots the pile of soft Disney characters and hits the wall or caroms off to one side or the other.

After explaining her choices to her I told her that it was up to her. She stood there, pondering the possible outcomes… then jumped. As predicted she bounced off to the side and landed to the right of the pile of friends, splitting her lower lip open on the floor. After we got the bleeding stopped we talked about what went wrong, why she failed to execute. At the end of our stunt postmortem it was clear that she had not done the proper calculations nor had she thought through the possible ramifications of her jump thoroughly. We agreed that we wouldn’t try that particular stunt again.

If Wren has looked at all the scenarios and he sees the risks as being acceptable, then by all means, he should jump and go after Greinke, 2013 and beyond be damned. Should he miss the trampoline or hit the wall, though, that’s on him and nobody else.

TheOnlyBravesFan

July 3rd, 2012
3:35 pm

Good lesson for the kids there Murph: “You know kids, if you don’t think you can do it, don’t even try.”

Good one!

Mark

July 3rd, 2012
3:37 pm

Hey again Nick

Greinke would have pitched 3 of the 6 we scored less then!

I think we need to be selling this year. Last year, I was a buyer and we got Bourn!

Turns out I was wrong last year but I do admit I’m not right all the time, unlike some people on here.

PMC

July 3rd, 2012
3:38 pm

Well at least they can’t use, “hot pitcher” as an excuse tonight.

That said watch Volstad come in here and one hit them in an hour and a half.

Frankie Wren

July 3rd, 2012
3:38 pm

Andy Griffith would have handled it in similar fashion with Opie.

Jeff R

July 3rd, 2012
3:39 pm

btw, i would venture that pirates are not going to win their division or WC in near future, even if they have a good team. just my opinion. if this turns out to be true, it underscores how tough it is to compete with a low payroll.

Pittsburgh payroll has gone up modestly, as I recall. Certainly, they’ve upped their signing bonuses for prospects. They control these players for six years, minimum.

Check out the Pirates farm system. They’ve got some solid talent in the pipeline.

What ?

July 3rd, 2012
3:39 pm

As long as we are STUCK with CHICKEN wren and LITTLE freddi, we will NEVER go anywhere !

Why can John S. get over being loyal and FIRE these two IDIOTS ? Heck ANYONE on this blog could do their jobs 100% better than they ever could !!!

GET RID OF THEM, Our Only Hope !

Mixxo

July 3rd, 2012
3:39 pm

Cricket bringing the lulz today. :D

Look, lets just bring Constanza back up and start winning baseball games.

Simple.

NickB

July 3rd, 2012
3:41 pm

if Greinke and Sheets improve upon Delgado/Jurrjens and Minor , then that would probably mean an extra 5-6 wins over what we could have expected without acquiring them, at a minimum.

I reckon 5 or 6 extra wins would make this team playoff bound

Frankie Wren

July 3rd, 2012
3:41 pm

Like to see us deal Jurrjens to the Pirates for Gorky Hernandez and Jeff Locke.

PMC

July 3rd, 2012
3:41 pm

If they really are prepared to spend that kind of money on Grienke, It makes me question what they were thinking continually drafting all these average pitchers highly in the draft when they could have helped the team more quickly taking position players like…. Mike Trout… etc etc.

Pitchers are not exciting, and aparently it takes them 5 or 6 years to get ready.

Heisenberg

July 3rd, 2012
3:41 pm

Well Murph, while the child may not try THAT trick again, one day you will come home and there will be a ramp built on the roof of your house facing the direction of the swiiming pool next door and a 10 year old on a dirt bike……………………………….

NickB

July 3rd, 2012
3:41 pm

Mixxo

yer joking right?

archie

July 3rd, 2012
3:42 pm

Braves have no plans to call up Constanza. They’re afraid he might pass McCann, Freeman and Chipper on the basepaths. Also, it’s more fun to watch Matt Diaz circle aimlessly in left field before a ball sails over his head.

Jeff R

July 3rd, 2012
3:43 pm

Andy Griffith running a baseball team means Barney would manage. Gomer and Goober would be base coaches. Floyd would be the pitching coach. Opie a bat boy. Otis would hawk beers. And the Darlins would provide the post game entertainment. All this every Tuesday night on CBS!

VaBravesFan

July 3rd, 2012
3:43 pm

It really sucks that the Nats come in our house and punch us in the mouth and win the series easily. Then the Cubs come in and beat us very easily, oh forgot it was Monday tho… We don’t play to win on Mondays.

My thoughts on going after Grienke are if we trade a huge package to get em, we better be able to lock this guy up long term hopefully for less than 20 mil per season.

Mark

July 3rd, 2012
3:44 pm

I hear ya Mixxo

NickB

July 3rd, 2012
3:44 pm

why should they call him up? ever since the book got out on Him he’s hit .154 as a major leaguer. with one extra base hit in 20 games. he sucks, and he plays worse defense in left than Prado does…

He’s a 4th OF’er on a non-contender , a 5th OF’er on a mediocre team, he has no place here

Frankie Wren

July 3rd, 2012
3:45 pm

Nate McLouth lighting up Triple A with .210 avg.
Hope Nate’s resume has been updated before he enters the private sector.

TheOnlyBravesFan

July 3rd, 2012
3:46 pm

Constanza, the 29 year old who is so good, not even the worst MLB teams have him starting for them…. He could’ve been signed last year to a Major league contract, instead he came to the Braves on a minor league contract.

One Big Dummy

July 3rd, 2012
3:46 pm

Management is responsible for its subordinates in any company. Intelligent management does not tolerate stupid worker bees. After a certain point, you’re darned right it’s the fault of management that we can’t win at home on win on Monday!

NickB

July 3rd, 2012
3:46 pm

not much of a spark when you aren’t on base….

oh , and don’t forget he wasn’t much of a spark in the 12 games he played in last september either… you Constanza fan club people seem to omit that part, as he hit .123

cricket

July 3rd, 2012
3:46 pm

Jeff R – I know pirates have a good team and good pipeline of prospects and still think they won’t be able to beat Cards or Reds (once in blue moon) or (god forbid) Cubs for division and East or West will win the WC in near future. Just my opinion, not criticizing anything that org has done. Let us see how it plays out next few seasons.

Mixxo

July 3rd, 2012
3:46 pm

NickB -

Not really, guy’s a spark plug.

Stuff happens when he’s here….and, most of it good.

Mark

July 3rd, 2012
3:47 pm

As for the non-contender and mediocre part he should fit ion nicely then!

Murph

July 3rd, 2012
3:47 pm

one day you will come home and there will be a ramp built on the roof of your house facing the direction of the swiiming pool next door and a 10 year old on a dirt bike…

If my kids have the wherewithal to build a ramp on top of my roof… well, I would applaud them, then put them to work on building me a back deck after the broken bones healed.

Ekim

July 3rd, 2012
3:47 pm

Murph, I presume your trampoline story is a fable to make a point. Not sure what the point is. It’s all on Wren (and other Braves management). All the time. It’s never been any other way.

Jeff R

July 3rd, 2012
3:48 pm

Frankie Wren, if Nate was smart, he’s invested all that dough from the big contract he signed previously with the Pirates (and the Braves’ assumed). Work? Only if he wants to. Otherwise, he’s got his lot picked out at The Villages and will just wait to get old.

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