2:58 pm July 2, 2012, by David O'Brien
July 2nd, 20123:40 pm
Uggla has a .362 OBP and a .410 SLG this season; very good for a secondbaseman. I sense growing Uggla hate or at least dislike from those who think his .232 batting average means as much as his .362 OBP and .410 SLG or from those who think his performance over a small sample actually means more than who he is as a ballplayer and what he’s likely to do going forward.
If we’re going to kill players for lack of results, General Managers have to be held to the same regard. I’m not saying it’s fair and I do think Frank Wren has been a good GM, but 1 playoff appearance in six years has to put his job into question. Again, not talking about this winter. But the following winter, he had 2012 offseason with lots of money to play with. That 2013 team better produce. Beachy or no Beachy.
July 2nd, 20123:41 pm
I really hope that if a move is made for a SP, it isn’t for Dempster.
Yes, he’s pitched well this season… before he got hurt… but I just don’t see him being the guy to get the Braves over the hump this year (or beyond).
Garza, Greinke, and… and… well, those are really the only two names that have been mentioned that move the team forward, and you can cross Greinke off the list if he won’t negotiate.
July 2nd, 20123:42 pm
Thanks for the blog, DOB
Wren needs to be building for the future, and to do that he needs to add young talent.
Yes, the team is, what, the third youngest in the league or MLB or something? I’d say adding some more youth is definitely the way to go. You bet.
I got my lineup from the braves twitter feed. Not sure if it’s right or not.
You’re talking about playing over .600 ball, Tomahawkin. Unless they start winning a WHOLE LOT more at home and stop throwing Minor and Delgado every fourth and fifth game, they won’t sniff 90 wins.
A sweep of the Cubs would be a step in the right direction, but if I were a betting man, I would wager that the Braves end up splitting. Been that kind of year.
July 2nd, 20123:43 pm
The Braves actually did make an international signing today.
July 2nd, 20123:44 pm
I sense growing Uggla hate or at least dislike from those who think his .232 batting average means as much as his .362 OBP and .410 SLG or from those who think his performance over a small sample actually means more than who he is as a ballplayer and what he’s likely to do going forward
Well said, Shaun
Freeman IS great at SCOOPS, but the difference between the best at scoops and the worst at scoops isn’t enough to make up for his lack of range. He’s a top half 1st baseman in total defense, but there is no making up for the fact that he’s 6′5 250 and slow
Freeman’s range evaluation should not limited to the horizontal, his vertical range is as good as any other 1B. And there have been plenty of time it has come in handy.
July 2nd, 20123:45 pm
Freeman’s range is okay and his ability to scoop is good but, as nolie commented, it’s probably not drastically better than many other firstbaseman, makes a minimal impact and doesn’t make up for his mediocre-or-slightly-worse range. This is just what all the data and evidence points to. I’m sorry. I wish Freeman were something like the Simmons of firstbasemen but we are not able to adjust reality to what we wish were the case.
Good lord, as I’m writing this stuff about how the 2013 team better produce, I’m thinking to myself – easiest way to probably do that is to get pitchers that aren’t babies in the rotation – even though I’ve been against that since day one.
Ah! Oh, well. Water into Wine, Wren. You better get it done.
I’m shocked at how bad B Mac is hitting. and it hasn’t even been talked about much…….
July 2nd, 20123:46 pm
Thanks Shaun!!! #WeDoThisForUggla
Well, the numbers don’t change so…
I sense growing Uggla hate
Good catch, LOL. A month of brutal ABs tends to engender a little of that.
Hey, I’m glad he’s taking his walks and all, but the guy is hired to slug. From that standpoint, his OBP takes a backseat.
Not that I think this slump will continue, but there’s not much denying that Uggla has been horrific the last three or four weeks.
July 2nd, 20123:47 pm
Indeed they did. Would like to see some more action though. I don’t mind if they don’t nab a Top 20 international prospect – just soend the entire 2.9 million dollar budget. That’s all I ask every summer from here on out.
IDK, kind of agree with Shaun that you can’t fix bad hitting, you just have to hope things can balance out a bit … or by a lot in some areas. Accept that and your walls and neighbors will be a lot happier.
Again, stop with the “we” crap.
July 2nd, 20123:48 pm
McFann would disagree….
“I’m shocked at how bad B-Mac is hitting. and it hasn’t even been talked about much…”
This is true, hear a lot of Dan Uggla hate, but McCann has sucked all year, at least Uggla has had some bright spots.
easiest way to probably do that is to get pitchers that aren’t babies in the rotation – even though I’ve been against that since day one.
I recall this past off-season scoots and I blasting the notion that the team could contend with a rookie laden rotation. Experience really matters.
July 2nd, 20123:49 pm
Shaun, since you played pro ball and have been around it most of your life, unlike the so called experts that say (on a daily basis) how good his defense is…I guess we will go with your #’s and bow down to your word. Oh wait….
if ugglas brain was as big as his biceps, he’d cut down on his swing and try to hit the ball up the middle instead of pulling off everything
the bench would strengthened if they could get infante back
Blue Jays, Yankees and Rays make the biggest splashes in International Free agency today. Not really a surprise, as those teams love to spend in Latin America.
July 2nd, 20123:50 pm
Here’s my thinking on Headley for 3rd. He ’s a solid third baseman, and can pick it. He can get on base, and has real good contact for hit, and runs, and move runners over. He would be great, and a lot cheaper to get.
Would like to see the Braves make a play for Hamels, Minor, Hale and the Terd might be able to get it done.
there is no making up for the fact that he’s 6′5 250 and slow
…with a quick bat and tremendous power. You guys would throw over Miss America because of an ingrown toenail, LOL.
Freeman’s defensive range is inconsequential to his total skillset.
Our woes with RISP keeps bringing me back to a HUGE issues I’ve always had in the Cox/Gonzalez era. We do NOT move runners over and get ‘em in.
Cost us at LEAST going to extra innings, if not the game, Friday. Take two of three from Washington this weekend, and the mood towards this team is VERY different, don”t ya think?
We get a RISP with less than 2 outs and fail to bring ‘em in with such regularity now, I literally say tho who ever’s near (or online) ‘watch as we don’t get that guy in.”
In the Cox/Gonzalez era, we sit back and wait for the key hit. Simple maths tells you, your BEST guy is only going to come through one out of three times. Better those odds by laying a bunt down and getting the guy to third with 1 out, for crying out loud.
If the coaches aren’t confident, in EVERY man’s ability on that roster, to put a bunt down, that’s a failure in coaching. It’s a baseball fundamental and we don’t do it enough.
We lost out on the playoffs, by one game, to the eventual World Series champion. Fredi’s got to stop managing like one game lost here or there won’t make a difference. When the offense is struggling, you HAVE to manufacture runs….make things happen….make the defense press or over-react. Instead, our guys stand at the dish and get mowed down or meekly ground out to kill ay notion of a rally.
Funny. I thought Uggla was hired to create runs. A .362 OBP and .410 SLG from a secondbaseman creates plenty of runs. If anything SLG takes a backseat, if we are truly talking run creation. If you want to talk about what he’s done or failed to do for the last few weeks, fine. But it’s not really a meaningful indication of who he is as a hitter and what he’s likely to be going forward.
July 2nd, 20123:51 pm
Who? Can’t find it anywhere…
Uggs has put together more weeks of hitting than he has weeks of not hitting. It just happens that when he doesn’t hit, he really stops hitting.
4.5 Months of hitting vs. 3 months of not(2 of which came @ the beginning of last year, that won’t happen again)
I wanted Minor in the 5th spot. I kept saying the following:
“Hudson, Hanson, Jurrjens, Beachy, and Minor. Tehera, Delgado and Vizcaino in Gwinnett. Lowe on another team.”
Didn’t work out quite like I wanted…..
DID the Braves sign that Pitcher from Cuba?
July 2nd, 20123:52 pm
PEOPLE: Get Chipper in the All-Star game. Vote: The system doens’t stop you at 25 votes. He DESERVES another trip to the Mid Summer Classic!
Why is this vent at -11?
“hear a lot of Dan Uggla hate, but McCann has sucked all”
I see no point in blasting either of these guys. They’re both capable players in ruts right now. I expect them to get better. And if this team hangs on all year and makes and that’s when they get hot, I’ll be just fine with it. I still think McCann will end the year with his 20+ HR and Uggla will have his 30 HR. The averages may not be there but so long as the rest of the team is hitting it won’t matter as much.
“Our woes with RISP keeps bringing me back to a HUGE issues I’ve always had in the Cox/Gonzalez era. We do NOT move runners over and get ‘em in.”
Disagree, all the stats say this teams is MUCH improved over last years. Especially sac flys.
“Uggla has a .362 OBP and a .410 SLG this season; very good for a secondbaseman.”
(1) Uggla is paid $8.5m to hit in the middle of the lineup, specifically he’s supposed to be the big right-handed bat in the middle. Unfortunately, he doesn’t hit left-handers, he doesn’t hit consistently, and he’s not driving in the runs he should. (2) Uggla moved a legitimate all-star off second base. His defense is . . . nothing close, at best steady with limited range for a secondbaseman.
Dan is from all accounts a good guy. We can see he shows up every day and works hard. He just isn’t providing near the value the Braves pay him for, and he doesn’t have an upside at this point in his career.
July 2nd, 20123:53 pm
I’m shocked at how bad B Mac is hitting. and it hasn’t even been talked about much…….
McFann would disagree…. _ TheOnlyBravesFan
Anyone with two functioning F’in braincells would disagree. Hell, Heap gests ripped on this blog when he’s doing well.
“Why is this vent at -11?”
Probably because no one actually looks at “Vents”
..and do NOT trade with the Phillies. Thank goodness we aren’t in the AL West, facing our former SS and two pitching phenoms, 18 games per season vs. the Rangers.
This the best lineup I have seen all season.
sorry but range is NEVER inconsequential to fielding. there are other guys with as good a glove who run rings around the guy
didn’t say that , was just pointing out that scoops aren’t the be all and end all of first base defense
July 2nd, 20123:54 pm
“A sweep of the Cubs would be a step in the right direction, but if I were a betting man, I would wager that the Braves end up splitting. Been that kind of year.”
But Uggla did this last year as well… Hit .233 for the year. People “forget” that Mac sucked down the stretch last year (hitting about .200 for the last 2 months), but at least he finished at .269 for the year.
Funny. I thought Uggla was hired to create runs. A .362 OBP and .410 SLG from a secondbaseman creates plenty of runs. If anything SLG takes a backseat
Seems you totally missed all those interviews from the players, managers, GM’s, analysts, scouts, number crunchers and everyone else when that deal went down, and again that ST, and then during his first season, and then this past off-season, and this ST and during this year.
July 2nd, 20123:55 pm
If you want to talk about what he’s done or failed to do for the last few weeks, fine.
Is that not what I did, numbnuts? Good grief.
I would not necessarily reject Miss America over an ingrown toenail. But I would over some of the answers she would give to those questions. As a great philosopher once said, “You can’t fix stupid”.
People “forget” that Mac sucked down the stretch last year
Wasn’t he injured “down the stretch” last year? Perhaps that’s what that DL trip was for….
July 2nd, 20123:56 pm
That doesn’t even make sense
People are voting it down because people don’t look at it
sorry but range is NEVER inconsequential to fielding.
…which is why I said “to his total skillset”, not his fielding.
July 2nd, 20123:57 pm
I disagree too, just not as emphatically. I’m in my corner supporting Danny.
July 2nd, 20123:58 pm
I am a huge fan of Uggla but I sure am tired of seeing him swing and miss. It seems he puts all of his power and might into ever swing not matter what the count. That’s fine early in the count or when it’s in his favor, but he needs to cut back a little with two strikes. 92Ks in 271AB means his striking out every 3rd AB and that is way too much.
Dan will get it turned around soon. The one I’m overly worried about is Mac. It has almost been a full year of struggling for him.
“People are voting it down because people don’t look at it”
Idiots vote it down, intelligent people just don’t look at Vents. Thus negatively skewed. There you go!
Indeed, was just pointing out a reason why Danny U is more “hated”. The main point was in the season total batting averages…
Yeralf Torres http://www.baseballamerica.com/blog/prospects/2012/07/braves-sign-venezuelan-righthander-yeralf-torres/
July 2nd, 20123:59 pm
sorry, guess I’m just too dense to catch the difference there scoots.
July 2nd, 20124:00 pm
Why are we waiting til the trade deadline, we need help NOW, remember last year, 1 game!
DawgDad, whether Uggla is and will be worth his contract is a separate issue from how he’s performed, who he is as a ballplayer and what he’s likely to do going forward.
I agree with you about his defense. He’s not a good defensive player.
As far as him being a big bat, he is that. There’s nothing wrong with his bat. But his batting average is going to stick out like a sore thumb to many fans, as are his recent stats over a rather small sample. But what matters is whether he’s been doing the things that lead to creating runs and whether he’s likely to do those things going forward. Over the course of this season, he’s been very good at creating runs and given who he is as a player, he’s likely to be very good going forward.
VOTE FOR CHIPPER!!!
July 2nd, 20124:01 pm
looking at Dan’s numbers, this year he has increased his BB% compared to his career avg 50% and yet K’s have only increased 20%, that’s a darn good tradeoff
July 2nd, 20124:02 pm
Thanks Ef and Karl! Much obliged!
nolie, I just didn’t make the point very well. I know that must be it; otherwise you would have gotten it. My fault all the way.
July 2nd, 20124:03 pm
Can’t believe the year Jake Peavy is having.
An absurd amount of free agent starters available this offseason. If Wren wants to add a veteran to Hudson, Hanson – he has plenty opportunity.
NickB: Walks and OBP are overrated. The 3-run home run yesterday was bad because Chipper and Uggla got on via the walk.
July 2nd, 20124:04 pm
TennesseePaul, so you’re saying Uggla wasn’t hired to create runs?
July 2nd, 20124:05 pm
I heard Torres is suppose to be pretty darn good, and that’s why the Braves gobbled him up.
the funny thing is, right now there are 100 people reading this and agreeing with you
that’s a darn good tradeoff
And I’d absolutely love that in a guy hitting 2 or 7. I’m slightly less enamored when it’s the 4 hitter.
I’m not rippin’ Dan Uggla, though. But I’m guessing some here might have a different version of “reasonable expectation” for ole Danny.
July 2nd, 20124:06 pm
What’s the latest on that other Cuban defector, another outfielder reported to be better than the one the Cubs signed for 32 million, he was suppose to have auditioned in Mexico City, Braves were bidding in the one the Cubs signed.
Vote for Cabs dog……..little humor
July 2nd, 20124:07 pm
“Dan will get it turned around soon. The one I’m overly worried about is Mac. It has almost been a full year of struggling for him.”
I hope you’re right about Uggla, but I’m not that optimistic. McCann, though, is clearly beat up (or down, or both), and we don’t know to what extent eye problems are affecting his hitting. I give McCann more of a pass than Uggla because he’s catching. With catchers you take plus-offense as a blessing, not something to be relied upon. Uggla’s purpose is driving in runs.
But Hamels and Greinke are going to get theres. Lots of others to choose from though, – Anibal Sanchez to Colby Lewis to Jake Peavy, etc. (Ryan Dempster, Edwin Jackson, Hiroki Kuroda, Francisco Liriano, Kyle Lohse, Shaun Marcum, Daisuke Matsuzaka, Brandon McCarthy, Roy Oswalt, Joe Saunders, Joe Blanton, Carlos Zambrano).
shouldn’t matter where they hit, getting on base is the best skill any player can have, hitting the ball for extra bases is the second best skill a player can have, an increased amount og walks can only bode good things for Uggla
July 2nd, 20124:08 pm
People “forget” that Mac sucked down the stretch last year (hitting about .200 for the last 2 months), but at least he finished at .269 for the year. _ TheOnlyBravesFan
People don’t “forget” a damn thing about Heap here, except what a rare talent he is. Damned unusual is the page on this blog that does not feature at least one comment ripping Heap for something, his weight, his hitting, his defense.
I suppose out avoidance only matters for the guys hitting 2nd or 7th. It’s fine if the rest of the lineup decreases the team’s chances of scoring by making outs. As long as the number 2 and 7 hitters aren’t.
July 2nd, 20124:09 pm
Yasiel Puig? Signed with the Dodgers
Where the heck is Zach Parise going to sign?!?! I’ve been waiting all day. Hoping Pens. But not for the rumored 10 years, 100 million.
Freeman will always be an average defender–poor range + great hands. If he works on his plate discipline, he could be a 4-5 win player.
Yasel Puig was his name, he signed a 7 year $42 mill deal with the Dodgers that was universally hailed as a historically bad overpay, some scouts said he was a $500,000 player
July 2nd, 20124:10 pm
Payne, I’m saying your posts seem to indicate you haven’t paid one bit of attention over the last two years.
I’d do a trade along the lines of Greinke and Khris Davis for Minor, Ahmed and Perez.
July 2nd, 20124:11 pm
What’s that do for the confidence of Minor and Delgado that some guy who hasn’t pitched in 2 years threw against air over at Georgia Tech a couple times and people think… oh yeah he’s better than those guys of course?
July 2nd, 20124:12 pm
do you all think the braves will pick up Bmac’s option?
All, have a good one! Hope some thing happens soon, because the Braves are just one pitcher, and one hitter away from the Post season? Peace my friends, and “Go!!!!!Braves!!!!!” Talk later tonight……
July 2nd, 20124:13 pm
I’m not rippin’ Dan Uggla, though. But I’m guessing some here might have a different version of “reasonable expectation” for ole Danny.
Not ripping ole Dan either, just think he needs to move down in the line up.
Uggla hasn’t been a disaster, and lord knows I’m thrilled about the increased walk rate. However, he isn’t hitting for near the power for the Braves that he was with the Marlins. He has career .477 slugging percentage, but he was at .453 last year and .410 this year. It’s why some of us were critical of the contract (but not the trade) – players with his profile don’t age gracefully.
Great article DOB.You covered every angle.They need 2 arms and 2 professional hitters.McCann and Uggla must go.The AL is the place for them and it frees up $ for next year.
People don’t “forget” a damn thing about Heap here, except what a rare talent he is
I don’t forget… Believe me, I love BMac… just pointing out what he did compared to Uggla yet Uggla receives a hell of a lot more crap…
Yes. Absolutely everyone believes this.
July 2nd, 20124:14 pm
McCann’s BABIP is .229, 3rd lowest in the majors (minimum 250 PA). His career BABIP is .295.
While a large part of that might be luck, a significant portion is also likely the shifts employeed against McCann, which have gotten more widely used and extreme this season.
July 2nd, 20124:15 pm
It’s why some of us were critical of the contract (but not the trade) – players with his profile don’t age gracefully.
Yup. But he’ll be fine for this year and probably next. It’s 2014 and 2015 that I am scared of. But whatever, we needed the RH power for 2011-2013.
yes , as there are no cheaper options to replace him
July 2nd, 20124:16 pm
No hitter’s purpose is driving in runs. Any hitter’s purpose is to create runs. Runs will come when you have hitters who don’t make outs often compared to others and gain bases at a higher rate than others.
How can a team try to acquire players who are good at driving in runs? They really can’t because driving in runs for individual players is a result of opportunities for that individual player. All teams can do is acquire players who do things that lead to them not making outs as often as others and gaining more bases that others when they do get on base.
It’s kind of like a team trying to acquire pitchers who are good at winning. That’s not the right way to go about it because pitcher wins are a result of the pitcher’s opportunities. All 15-20-game winners aren’t equal. A team should acquire pitchers who throw the ball over the plate, with good command and who keep the ball in the ballpark.
Dan Uggla is a three true outcomes player. Except one of the outcomes – homers – is missing this year. If he had is normal 15-18 homers at this point in the season, the AVG would be up, the OBP slightly up, and the SLG way up. And everyone would be holding hands and singing happy songs. Uggla with a .255/.375/.485 would be deadly.
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