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Ease
July 3rd, 2012
11:07 am
Dagnabbit. That wascally DOB.
Efrim
July 3rd, 2012
11:08 am
Sean Gilmartin, Zeke Spruill, J.R. Graham, Cody Martin, Nick Ahmed, Kyle Kubitza, Todd Cunningham – what can we get for these folks? I’m down.
Note: Lipka is hurt and Salcedo has as much value as this chair I’m sitting on right now.
Lew
July 3rd, 2012
11:09 am
Having attended Dragon Con for many years as an artist and having made much money while I was there, I’d have to say most attendees couldn’t care less about baseball – think Big Bang Theory as the base.
Most are there for one of three reasons – they’re nerdy fans, making money working in the world of media or like to watch women walking around wearing chain mail bikinis.
richbrave
July 3rd, 2012
11:09 am
DAVID:
Well, TEHERAN has sure been trying to leave town…..based on his performance this season anyway. And whatever’s ailing him must be catching. ‘Wild-thang’ PEREZ has been demoted all the way to rookie-ball, and just had his first good performance of the season last time out.
tony austin
July 3rd, 2012
11:09 am
Well, now, take down your fishin’ pole and meet me at The Fishin’ Hole,
We may not get a bite all day, but don’t you rush away…….
source: http://www.lyricsondemand.com/tvthemes/theandygriffithshowlyrics.html
It’s a sad day down at the fishing hole
Jeff R
July 3rd, 2012
11:10 am
But now I believe Braves are seriously considering trading for him even if re-signing is not guaranteed or even likely.
A scoop by DOB – count on it!
But I’m not liking the part about of not locking up Greinke. Higher priced rentals, I don’t like.
Shaun
July 3rd, 2012
11:12 am
CrαZy, does anyone really know what the All-Star game is supposed to be about? MLB has made it seem like “it counts,” but it seems MLB should also want to use it to showcase its talent and draw in casual fans. The wishy-washiness of what MLB wants the All-Star game to be makes it just another game to me. Sure, I’m going to watch it and get excited about it because it’s a baseball game. But I don’t think MLB does itself any favors, particularly in relation to the casual fan, by promoting it as a game that counts and at the same time treating it as a showcase. It seems no one knows what to do with player selections and it takes the fun out of the barroom debates about player selection when no one really knows what this game is supposed to be about.
Jeff R
July 3rd, 2012
11:12 am
Can’t forget the movie that might have been the spark for Mayberry – No Time For Sergeants.
Funny movie, Lew, with Nick Adams and Don Knotts co-starring
ncbravesfan
July 3rd, 2012
11:12 am
DOB – with the Braves obvious inconsistency and underachievement, any rumblings about Fredi being on the hot seat?
ncscoots
July 3rd, 2012
11:13 am
Also — and this is important part of it — the Braves just are not as certain about a couple of the prospects that it might take to get Greinke as they were a year ago.
Even with that uncertainty, I fail to see how that trade currency is better spent on a pitching rental than on offseason acquisitions. I’d like to see these guys make a run at it this year, sure, but not if it bares the cupboard for next year’s needs. Available 2013 money notwithstanding, I don’t see how they can fill next year’s holes solely through FA, and that means banking at least some trade currency now.
CrαZy
July 3rd, 2012
11:13 am
Braves are scouting Greinke, who grew up near Atlanta’s spring training home, and trading for him with someone like Randall Delgado makes complete sense
Geez… I don’t know!! I’m all for trying to get better I just don’t like the idea of trading Delgado. I still think he’s the best young pitcher we have.
Efrim
July 3rd, 2012
11:13 am
Also — and this is important part of it — the Braves just are not as certain about a couple of the prospects that it might take to get Greinke as they were a year ago.
I’d just mention that one of those prospects is 21 years old and has had 4 spot starts in the big leagues. 4. And was named the best RH pitching prospect in the sport prior to the season by Baseball America.
Another one of those “prospects” or young players has thrown 209 innings over 3 seasons and has an career ERA of 5.32 in the majors.
He’s had his chance with the Atlanta Braves, and for 2 months of Zack Greinke, Minor + a couple others should be enough. It’d be pretty telling if the insist on Teheran – obviously, he is the most valuable. Wren would be foolish to trade him, imo. Delgado too.
Efrim
July 3rd, 2012
11:15 am
Available 2013 money notwithstanding, I don’t see how they can fill next year’s holes solely through FA, and that means banking at least some trade currency now.
But don’t you think they can use the above list of prospects I listed for this offseason? Gilmartin, Graham, Ahmed, etc? At least to fill one hole, no?
Arkansas Transplant
July 3rd, 2012
11:15 am
Efrim, I don’t think you trade Cunningham. I think he could be very valuable next season if Bourn walks. As far as Greinke goes.. I’d be more impressed with 20 a year to him over 15 a year for Bourn.
One-Eyed Mac
July 3rd, 2012
11:16 am
If the Braves don’t make the playoffs this year, Wren’s job should be in jeopardy. First of all, there is a second wild card team this year. Second, while I understand there are tight budget restraints, Wren made the conscious decision to sit out the off-season and make no improvements to the club. He was so sure that last year’s collapse was a fluke and that he didn’t have to do anything to improve the ball club. When you do that, you’d better darn sure be right!
Lew
July 3rd, 2012
11:17 am
I don’t care what it costs – two months of Grienke just won’t be worth the price., If they trade for him they have to lock him up first or find someone else.
Shaun
July 3rd, 2012
11:17 am
I’m not saying the Braves were as willing to give up some of their top prospects last season but I also don’t know that there was a player of the caliber of a Grienke available on the trade market last season.
Efrim
July 3rd, 2012
11:17 am
RHP Cody Martin went 5 IP, 4 hits, 1 ER, 0 BB’s and 8 K’s for High-A Lynchburg last night.
Jeff R
July 3rd, 2012
11:17 am
I’d like to see these guys [the Braves] make a run at it this year, sure, but not if it bares the cupboard for next year’s needs.
100% agree. I wouldn’t mind giving up good value for Greinke (his agreeing to a contract as a condition, too), but don’t send good prospects up to Milwaukee for a two-month shot with him.
But we have to imagine what sort of pressure Wren and the front office is experiencing to deliver. Might just drive Wren to rent Greinke for a higher price.
ncscoots
July 3rd, 2012
11:18 am
But don’t you think they can use the above list of prospects I listed for this offseason?
Yes. If they are there at all. I just don’t know if you can anchor a deal with any of them.
Capt.Mudd
July 3rd, 2012
11:18 am
How will anyone be in any reasonable shape to blog tonight if they multiple vote (All-Star) selection process. C’mon people, get off your feet and get ready for tonight’s game…..it might be a statement game.
Efrim
July 3rd, 2012
11:19 am
If the Braves don’t make the playoffs this year, Wren’s job should be in jeopardy.
Save this for a year from now. Not fair to give Wren crap as he will have more than enough of an opportunity to build a strong 2013 product. If they fail in 2013 – then by all means, question away.
Frankie Wren
July 3rd, 2012
11:19 am
Sounds like a attempt to get Dempster(yes!) to me with out mortgaging the future. Also, pick up a bat for the bench somewhere(Kotsay, Reed Johnson?). Rest will be if somehow the bats can produce like they did early season.
Just Saying
July 3rd, 2012
11:20 am
The 755 Club has a giant wall that says
WINNERS MAKE COMMITMENTS LOSERS MAKE EXCUSES
What are the Braves doing now? Fredi has an excuse for everything and then tips his cap. I understand the thought process of bringing him here but it failed. Let the guy go and bring Francona here for 2013. We have the money freed up now that Chipper is limping away. Braves can’t afford to keep Fredi here another season or any of the present coaching staff.
Jekyll and Hyde
July 3rd, 2012
11:20 am
“the Braves just are not as certain about a couple of the prospects that it might take to get Greinke as they were a year ago.”
It’s a shame the Braves folks didn’t recognize this earlier, before every other team in baseball knew it as well. Kinda makes the ole’ value needle drop on a trade scenario. Braves overvaluing their prospects? Delgado not as obvious. It has been written all over Minor for over a year!
ncscoots
July 3rd, 2012
11:20 am
Might just drive Wren to rent Greinke for a higher price.
the last time Wren felt pressure on his pitching nerve, he signed Lowe and Kawakami. So, I cenrtainly don’t think that overpay for Greinke is out of the question.
Efrim
July 3rd, 2012
11:21 am
Yes. If they are there at all. I just don’t know if you can anchor a deal with any of them.
True. Probably not. That’s the issue with the farm right now – which is party why I’m okay emptying it for a run this year and next.
Just try to keep Teheran and Delgado.
Frankie Wren
July 3rd, 2012
11:21 am
Delgado’s last outing was very discouraging and surprised me. Still would be tough to give up on him.
George
July 3rd, 2012
11:21 am
IS ANYONE DISGUSTED YET?
Arkansas Transplant
July 3rd, 2012
11:21 am
That’s why you don’t just ask for Greinke in return. We need to ask for Davis to be included in the deal. Send an attractive package to get it done.
tony austin
July 3rd, 2012
11:22 am
$20M is too much to be tied into one player when the Braves will have other needs next season. Unless of course Liberty Media significantly raises payroll. (I’ll hold my breath on that one.) That said, if the Braves are able to acquire Grienke I sure hope they don’t overpay for a couple of months.
Jeff R
July 3rd, 2012
11:23 am
the last time Wren felt pressure on his pitching nerve, he signed Lowe and Kawakami. So, I cenrtainly don’t think that overpay for Greinke is out of the question.
The Braves don’t need a “Tex II.”
Lew
July 3rd, 2012
11:23 am
The only time Wren had money to spend, he improved the team considerably (something like an eight or nine game improvement) – even though everyone bitched mightily about who he acquired.
With the bucks coming off the books this yeat here should be an improvement again. If not, then Wren should be considered for a train ticket out of town. Can’t judge a persons’ abilities when his hands have remained tied financially.
Just Saying
July 3rd, 2012
11:23 am
Rank Poster Frequency
1 nolie 138
2 TheOnlyBravesFan 133
3 MIBravesFan 112
Translation: Guys that have no life.
Efrim
July 3rd, 2012
11:23 am
So, I certainly don’t think that overpay for Greinke is out of the question.
He’s starting to get that feeling, I agree.
Jeff R
July 3rd, 2012
11:23 am
IS ANYONE DISGUSTED YET?
Yes, with the use of caps.
Murph
July 3rd, 2012
11:23 am
I just don’t see how adding Dempster or even Greinke takes this team, who Chipper Jones himself described as being about as good as the Bad News Bears at times, from a .500 team to a World Series team.
I guess I’m in the minority on that on the ol’ blog, but I’m not seeing it. Can someone tell me how a guy who pitches once a week is going to turn the entire team around?
George
July 3rd, 2012
11:24 am
Leonard Parent
July 2nd, 2012
11:35 pm
This is just bad baseball! The manager should be fired. Whether he is good or not, this team needs a spark of some sort. I’ve been a Braves fan since ‘57, and Simmons is one of those special players you still keep watching games on TV!
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AGREE 100%
Patrick
July 3rd, 2012
11:25 am
VOTE FOR CHIPPER!!!!!!!!!!!
Efrim
July 3rd, 2012
11:25 am
The Braves don’t need a “Tex II.”
This would in no way require that much of an overpay. Not a chance. However, it may cost one of Delgado or Teheran – which is the issue I have with it. Perhaps that’s all, for 2 months of Greinke. Maybe one mid-level prospect included.
UKUGA
July 3rd, 2012
11:26 am
Tony LaRussa has a vested interest in the NL having home field advantage in the World Series.
Frankie Wren
July 3rd, 2012
11:28 am
Don Sutton pitched only once a week and helped the Brewcrew win a pennant in 82. Get Dempster somehow and don’t pay too much(how I don’t know, don’t get paid to make those decisions). Offense has a little more confidence with a proven vet like Dempster on the hill and maybe they freaking relax a bit. One thing this Braves offense has done(outside of the last 3 weeks) is respond when leading when other teams score with a good bounce back inning. Maybe that occurs again, maybe not.
Jeff R
July 3rd, 2012
11:28 am
Murph, I’m thinking that Hanson, Hudson, and Greinke make for a pretty good core rotation. If Jurrjens produces, then that puts the Braves on stronger footing to contend this season.
Longer term – that’s the only way I’d want Greinke – Hanson and Greinke are good anchors.
tony austin
July 3rd, 2012
11:29 am
Murph – I guess I’m in the minority on that on the ol’ blog, but I’m not seeing it. Can someone tell me how a guy who pitches once a week is going to turn the entire team around?
Just grasping here, but if mgmt does bring Grienke in it could show the team they are serious about winning and the team will respond. This is a good offensive team, we’ve seen that, but something just isn’t clicking with them right now.
George
July 3rd, 2012
11:29 am
Jeff R
July 3rd, 2012
11:17 am
I’d like to see these guys [the Braves] make a run at it this year, sure, but not if it bares the cupboard for next year’s needs.
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Some of you are always satisfied to wait till next year. The problem with the BRAVES is NEXT YEAR NEVER COMES. Fans like you are just as big losers as the BRAVES.
kenhotlanta
July 3rd, 2012
11:29 am
Andy Griffith’s “What It Was Was Football” was the first comedy record I ever owned and it’s still funny after all these years. “No Time For Sergeants” and “A Face In The Crowd” were very good movies…he was a complete jerk in “Face”. “Murder in Coweta County” with Johnny Cash was a pretty good TV movie and based on a true story, I believe.
Word on the street (as T’Hawkin loves to say) is the actress who played Aunt Bea was a real “B” to work with and hated that role and show.
Frankie Wren
July 3rd, 2012
11:29 am
Greinke as a rental makes absolutely no sense. Dempster does, although a gamble. We will see.
phil
July 3rd, 2012
11:29 am
Just Saying
July 3rd, 2012
11:23 am
Rank Poster Frequency
1 nolie 138
2 TheOnlyBravesFan 133
3 MIBravesFan 112
Translation: Guys that have no life.
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More accurate translation: Just Saying should walk a mile in their shoes before he opens his big mouth. How the hell would you know who has a life and who doesn’t?
Arkansas Transplant
July 3rd, 2012
11:29 am
what’s everyone worried about in paying Greinke 20mil a year? Don’t you remember how much we were putting out on a scrub like Lowe and paying another like Kawakami to pitch in the minors? Greinke is well and above better than both combined and at a cheaper price.
Efrim
July 3rd, 2012
11:29 am
If not, then Wren should be considered for a train ticket out of town. Can’t judge a persons’ abilities when his hands have remained tied financially.
Exactly. He hasn’t had the financial flexibility he is about to have. But spend/trade prospects and potentially miss the playoffs again in 2013 – questions about him are fair.
Of course, you need to have someone in mind to replace him that is better. That’s the difficult thing.
Lew
July 3rd, 2012
11:30 am
Murph – I pretty much agree, but would like to see some deals that benefit us next year as well as the next couple of months. We won’t be able to afford much in Free Agency and now might be the time to pick up a couple of players that could help in the future.
I don’t like rentals all that much cause you usually overpay for players that won’t get you where you;re going to begin with and we have too many holes that need filling. It would be one thing if you were looking for that ONE missing piece. That won’t be enough for us to be assured of a first place finish.
I’d rather see a deal for Willingham/Span and Liriano. That would actually boost the rotation and bench now and fill acouple of holes in 2013 and 2014.
phil
July 3rd, 2012
11:30 am
There’s a lot more wrong with this team than one player like Grienke can ever fix….
We’re not really going anywhere but slowly downhill. It’s hard to fully appreciate, but that’s what seems to be happening.
Jeff R
July 3rd, 2012
11:30 am
Some of you are always satisfied to wait till next year. The problem with the BRAVES is NEXT YEAR NEVER COMES. Fans like you are just as big losers as the BRAVES.
George, you were doing fine until you added the caps. Understatement can be very powerful.
richbrave
July 3rd, 2012
11:31 am
DOWN ON THE FARM
GWINNETT
G-Men win two in a row on a squeeze play in the 12th by the REV. 3-2 BRAVES
LHSP YOHAN FLANDE [3.59 ERA] 8.0 IP, 4 H, 1 HR, 2 ZR, 1 ER, 0 BB, 3 SO. Nice bounce-back outing.
RHRP JAYE CHAPMAN [3.23 ERA] 2.0 IP, 1 H, zeros, 2 SO.
LHRP DUSTY HUGHES [3.89 ERA] 1.0 IP, 1 H, zeros, 1 BB.
LHRP DJ ‘Disco’ CARRASCO [W 1-0, 9.00 ERA] 1.0 IP, 1 H, zeros, 1 BB.
Lead-off LF ‘GEORGE’ CONSTANZA [.308 BA] 1-5, 1 SO.
2B TYLER PASTORNICKY [.273 BA] 3-6, 1 2B [14], 1 RBI [17], 1 SO.
PASTORNICKY pushes across the winning run in the bottom of the 12th. He has a good game at the plate.
1B ERNIE MEJIA [.299 BA] 1-4, 1 R, 1 HR [16], 1 RBI [55], 1 BB, 1 SO.
Slightly behind pace for a .300+ BA, 30 HR, 40 2B, and 100 RBI.
DH CHRIS MARRERO [.246 BA] 1-4, 1 R, 1 HR [4], 1 RBI [25].
C JOSE YEPEZ [.254 BA] 105, 1 2B [11], 1 SO.
SS JOSH WILSON [.248 BA] 1-5, 1 SOP.
CF LUIS DURANGO .274 BA] 1-4, 1 R, 1 BB, 1 SO.
jeffrey d
July 3rd, 2012
11:31 am
The manager should be fired. Whether he is good or not
The manager should be fired, whether he is good or not…..
jeffrey d
July 3rd, 2012
11:32 am
Tell em, phil
Lew
July 3rd, 2012
11:33 am
Efrim – Well, isn’t Omar Minaya avaiiable?
tony austin
July 3rd, 2012
11:33 am
Phil – Just Saying should walk a mile in their shoes…
Then you are a mile away, and hey, new shoes!
TennesseePaul
July 3rd, 2012
11:33 am
the last time Wren felt pressure on his pitching nerve, he signed Lowe and Kawakami.
True, however that was after refusing to trade top prospects for Peavy. I think Wren is more comfortable over paying in cash than in prospects.
jeffrey d
July 3rd, 2012
11:34 am
Fans like you are just as big losers as the BRAVES.
George, please do us a favor and start liking another team. All you do is complain about the Braves. Your fixation on Fredi is borderline scary. You’re calling the Braves losers and now you’re calling us losers. I really think you need to either find another team or another blog because clearly all this one is doing is making you miserable and rude.
George
July 3rd, 2012
11:36 am
jeffrey d
July 3rd, 2012
11:31 am
The manager should be fired. Whether he is good or not
The manager should be fired, whether he is good or not
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Yup jeffery, cause you can’t fire the whole team.
Arkansas Transplant
July 3rd, 2012
11:36 am
The current offense is average… the pitching isn’t anywhere close to average at the moment. Just getting McCann and Uggla away from each other in the lineup would help a ton, specially since he likes running them out there in the 4 and 5 holes.
ncbravesfan
July 3rd, 2012
11:36 am
“Just grasping here, but if mgmt does bring Grienke in it could show the team they are serious about winning and the team will respond.”
Been waiting for the team to “respond” all season, yet after 80 games, all they have done is excel at mediocrity. If the Braves are serious about winning, they fire Fredi and get someone better. Plain and simple.
jeffrey d
July 3rd, 2012
11:36 am
Mitchie-sand
July 3rd, 2012
11:37 am
This Grienke thing is starting to reek of the Teixiera trade. Even worse if it turns out to be a 2 month rental. They MUST sign him long term if they do it.
Jeff R
July 3rd, 2012
11:37 am
So, what is everyone assuming? That Greinke wants $17-20 million per season for five years?
What if that dollar range could be spread out for 7 years? Would that make Greinke more agreeable to some?
TennesseePaul
July 3rd, 2012
11:37 am
This would in no way require that much of an overpay. Not a chance
Zero possibility as that wasn’t an over-pay. And Teixeira had more team control than Greinke. 2 months of Beltran netted 1 top prospect. 2 months of Greinke should net a top prospect value… for the Braves I’d think this would be a Polished plus an additional minor leaguer.
phil
July 3rd, 2012
11:38 am
Block George!
Fire George!
Ban George!
ncscoots
July 3rd, 2012
11:38 am
I think Wren is more comfortable over paying in cash than in prospects.
Good point, TennPaul. I hadn’t considered it from that angle.
TennesseePaul
July 3rd, 2012
11:38 am
What if that dollar range could be spread out for 7 years? Would that make Greinke more agreeable to some?
Less to me. I’m with Schuerholz on this. Long term deals to pitchers are bad ideas.
Frankie Wren
July 3rd, 2012
11:40 am
Here we go again with the “let’s not take too much of a gamble and jeopardize the next two years” mentality.
Liriano is gasping at straws. Said all along Wren breaks away from his style of dealing this deadline. Might be wrong but hope not. Get Dempster.
Like the go for it this season attitude if what DOB is saying is true. Cardinals made things happen last season, not a bad move
richbrave
July 3rd, 2012
11:41 am
“…….Word on the street (as T’Hawkin loves to say) is the actress who played Aunt Bea was a real “B” to work with and hated that role and show…….”
I don’t know about that, but GRIFFITH was quite exacting to work with, and he’s quite the curmudgeon in his dotage. Lives most of the time shacked up behind his fenced and gated estate on MANTEO. I guess he wanted the fame, but not what goes with it. Saw him once as a youngster in 1950 I think it was in ‘The Lost Colony’ production there on MANTEO’s open-air ampitheater.
Dang, after typing this I just learned he passed today. Well, he’s got all the answeres to life now. Bon Voyage, and thanx for the memories.
David O'Brien
July 3rd, 2012
11:42 am
As said recently, this is simply not a championship club. Not Fredi’s fault, and not Wren’s fault, no money. And there will be no money for 25 years thanks to the tv contract signed by Turner/AOL Time as they left. Of course, there will be no investigative reporting on how that happened, nor will there be any critical analysis of ownership or management because AJC’s beat writer has apparently been instructed not to upset the Braves who advertise in the paper, and just feed more pablum to the masses. — howard the season ticket holder
So what is it, howard? In the first two lines, you wrote: As said recently, this is simply not a championship club. Not Fredi’s fault, and not Wren’s fault, no money.
And later in the paragraph, you wrote: …nor will there be any critical analysis of ownership or management because AJC’s beat writer has apparently been instructed not to upset the Braves who advertise in the paper…
If you say it’s not Wren’s fault or Gonzalez’s fault because there’s no money, then what sort of critical analysis of “management” are you looking for? You just claimed that it’s not their fault.
Or by “management” do you mean higher up than Wren? We have a very good sports-business writer, Tim Tucker, who broke the story about the bad TV contract, with quotes from CEO Terry McGuirk on how it might affect the team, etc. Do you really thing the beat writer(s) who cover the team, who report on moves, potential moves, games, etc., should do a criticial analysis of the humongous corporate owner Liberty Media that’s based in Denver, Colorado, and its multibillionaire CEO who famously avoids almost all interviews regarding any of his company’s holdings, of which the Braves are one of the very smallest?
What are you looking for there, howard? You don’t honestly believe John Malone, the multi-billionaire head of Liberty Media, is going to do an interview about the Braves, do you? He sees maybe one game a year. He has no direct contact with the team or its doings. And we’ve done plenty of interviews with McGuirk and Wren (not that it’s Wren’s doing, according to you, since you say the team doesn’t have any money.)
Oh, and Liberty Media doesn’t advertise in our paper, as far as I know. I’ve certainly never been made aware of it, if they do.
Just Saying
July 3rd, 2012
11:42 am
Wren has had money in the past and what did he do with it? Lowe, Uggla and the K word. He will mess this up also people. Don’t forget he also brought us the current manager. If Wren was GM for another team, he would have been let go already. Braves settle for mediocre.
Efrim
July 3rd, 2012
11:42 am
for the Braves I’d think this would be a Polished plus an additional minor leaguer.
Minor and 2 guys from that loaded Lynchburg squad….
Hah!
Seriously though, I think that’s a very fair bounty for Greinke when you take the draft pick out of it.
ncscoots
July 3rd, 2012
11:43 am
Here we go again with the “let’s not take too much of a gamble and jeopardize the next two years” mentality.
For some of us, this is merely self-protection. We don’t want to be subjected to the incessant whining that will occur if Wren does bail on next year in favor of this one.
jeffrey d
July 3rd, 2012
11:43 am
O’Burned with his own words!
Just Saying
July 3rd, 2012
11:43 am
phil – There’s a lot more wrong with this team than one player like Grienke can ever fix….
I agree 100% with you on this.
George
July 3rd, 2012
11:44 am
phil
July 3rd, 2012
11:38 am
phil- I hate to say it because I agree with some of your posts, but your wait till next year addtude S**ks.
Murph
July 3rd, 2012
11:44 am
I’m ok with the team going all-in on players and trying to win this year, but if, and only if, there is accountability.
If Wren goes and gets Greinke without a signed extension and it costs the team our top prospects, then he needs to be held accountable should the move fail and the team miss the playoffs. I don’t want to hear excuses at the end of the season or read a letter from team management about how hard they tried… I want to see Wren escorted from the building with his belongings in a cardboard box.
I like Wren, I think he’s done the most with the least and has kept the team competitive, but if he takes a big gamble and loses, then the onus is on him and nobody else. If Greinke comes to Atlanta and forgets how to pitch, it should be on Wren. If he develops vertigo and suddenly can’t stand up straight anymore, it should be on Wren.
Lew
July 3rd, 2012
11:45 am
Interesting – Two preceeding years before the Braves picked up LOwe compared to Grienke’s past two years
Lowe – 2007 – 12-14, 3.99 ERA, 199 IP
2008 – 14-11, 3,24, 211IP
Grienke – 2010- 10-14, 4.17, 220 IP
2011 – 16-6, 3.83, 171 IP
Now I’m not saying that Lowe’s threshold going forward was equal to Grienke’s, but ……….Is Grienke going to be worth what he’ll receive anymore than Lowe was? Not so clear cut to me.
richbrave
July 3rd, 2012
11:45 am
GRIFFITH’s famous records came out not too long after I had seen him in ‘The Lost Colony’. I loved them. He got me hooked on the complete genre. DAVE GARDNER, then ‘the Streak’ RAY can’t remember….anyway, still have most of BROTHER DAVE’s platters.
CrαZy
July 3rd, 2012
11:46 am
Fans like you are just as big losers as the BRAVES.
Probably not hard for a loser to spot another loser!!
CB
July 3rd, 2012
11:46 am
George is not real. He is a figment of a blogger’s idea of a joke.
Hillbilly
July 3rd, 2012
11:46 am
I guess I’m in the minority on that on the ol’ blog, but I’m not seeing it. Can someone tell me how a guy who pitches once a week is going to turn the entire team around? -Murph
Google ‘CC Sabathia traded to Milwaukee Brewers.’
And Greinke can be that kind of a stud pitcher. But I can go along with your idea that a pitching stud won’t win it alone. It’s going to take that pitcher plus a reduction of these Uggla-like offensive ruts to make it happen. The pieces are there on offense, if they can avoid these ridiculous droughts that always seem to crop up.
Jeff R
July 3rd, 2012
11:46 am
I stand by the notion that the Braves swap good talent for Greinke if they lock him up longer term.
Now if the Braves can rent Greinke for a few second tier prospects, that might be another matter.
Bat Masterson
July 3rd, 2012
11:46 am
Some of you are always satisfied to wait till next year. The problem with the BRAVES is NEXT YEAR NEVER COMES. _ George
First thing I remember was asking papa, why,
For there were many things I didn’t know.
And daddy always smiled and took me by the hand,
Saying, someday you’ll understand.
Well, I’m here to tell you now, each and every mother’s son,
That you better learn it fast, you better learn it young,
‘Cause someday never comes.
http://youtu.be/NwNuQulK6N0
Frankie Wren
July 3rd, 2012
11:46 am
good stuff scoots
CrαZy
July 3rd, 2012
11:47 am
George… I think the best solution to your problem is to jump in front of a moving bus!!
Frankie Wren
July 3rd, 2012
11:48 am
“George… I think the best solution to your problem is to jump in front of a moving bus!!”
To quote the late great Rodney King “why……….
Efrim
July 3rd, 2012
11:48 am
I want to see Wren escorted from the building with his belongings in a cardboard box.
A bit harsh, imo. Even if he trades for Greinke and it doesn’t work – the man has to be given this offseason. I know, it’s a HUGE offseason for the next five years and if you’re going to make a change, it makes sense to do it before such a monumental winter. But he’s earned the chance, as he’s been very good overall with the roster in his tenure.
CrαZy
July 3rd, 2012
11:49 am
The ones that bitch will always find something to bitch about!! Make a trade don’t make a trade fire the Manager or keep the manager… They will always bitch about something!!
richbrave
July 3rd, 2012
11:49 am
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Frankie Wren
July 3rd, 2012
11:49 am
“Now if the Braves can rent Greinke for a few second tier prospects, that might be another matter.”
Frank Wren offseason secondary income playing Santa Claus at Northpoint Mall.
Ease
July 3rd, 2012
11:50 am
For those that think MIL will be asking a ransom for Greinke, how certain are they of being able to resign him? He is a FA after the season right? Wouldn’t they want to get something/anything for him?
richbrave
July 3rd, 2012
11:50 am
CraZy:
Anyway I could contact ROBBY’s dad?
richbrave
July 3rd, 2012
11:51 am
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Ease
July 3rd, 2012
11:51 am
Oh, and George is STUPID.
Do you hear me George? I’ve known BRICKS smarter than you.
I just built a shed in my back yard and you are not even worthy to hang with the other tools.
Jeff R
July 3rd, 2012
11:52 am
Frank Wren offseason secondary income playing Santa Claus at Northpoint Mall.
Surely, Wren would work at Lennox!
richbrave
July 3rd, 2012
11:52 am