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Jake W.
July 1st, 2012
10:05 pm
I hope so, Steve! Didn’t the Braves bust up R.A. Dickey very badly in a game earlier this season?
They did, but R.A. said blame it on the rain. Couldn’t get a feel for the pitch. One of Francisco’s best days if I remember it correctly.
ChattTownBrian
July 1st, 2012
10:06 pm
Well then it was 2010 spring he was destroying everything.
NickB
July 1st, 2012
10:06 pm
it looks like Giants fans voted en masse, cuz they have 3 guys starting who probably shouldn’t be
Mark
July 1st, 2012
10:08 pm
They sure did Nick. Add Uggla and Furcal to those 3 and the National League fans really look like idiots
keylargo
July 1st, 2012
10:09 pm
but he’s still above avg in offense at catcher
then trade his ass while teams think they are getting something other that what he is. 107…..93….94…282
Batting Aver – down 107
OBP – down 93 poiints
SLG – down 94 points
OPS – down two hundred eighty two (282) points
You’re going to be paying this player $15 to $18 million for 6 or 8 years if you don’t dump him
Jake W.
July 1st, 2012
10:10 pm
it looks like Giants fans voted en masse, cuz they have 3 guys starting who probably shouldn’t be
The game counts, if you have a good team why not vote for the team that gives your league the best chance to win. I don’t like to vote for a brave unless they deserve it.
ChattTownBrian
July 1st, 2012
10:10 pm
Chipper was talking about young players make young mistakes. What was he talking about from today’s game? Hudson is no kid. Neither are Bourn,Uggla, Ross or Diaz, who were all key to the loss. DR did have a RBI single but couldn’t get even a sac fly. Varvaro and Freeman both young and both helped today.
Jake W.
July 1st, 2012
10:12 pm
SS position in the NL doesn’t seem that strong this year.
TheOnlyBravesFan
July 1st, 2012
10:13 pm
BMac in June
BA OBP SLG OPS BAbip
.193 .245 .330 .574 .224
Dan Uggla in June
BA OBP SLG OPS BAbip
.160 .327 .321 .648 .222
Not pretty numbers from guys that were/are hitting 3/4 in the lineup. Not even 4/5 or 5/6 is this okay. Someone’s gotta pick it up soon. I bet Dan does first, he’s shown it earlier this year. BMac needs to bring back his mojo.
MIBravesFan
July 1st, 2012
10:14 pm
I want Tony aka “The Brain” to start Dickey for the NL so he bleeps up the AL hitters’ swings for the game, because based on the starting lineup the Giants’ fans gave the NL, that’s pretty much the NL’s only chance for home field in the WS.
NickB
July 1st, 2012
10:14 pm
Furcal deserves it, have you looked at his numbers at SS?
NickB
July 1st, 2012
10:14 pm
keylargo
YOU HAVEN’T ANSWERED THE QUESTION!!!
WHO PLAYS CATCHER?
NickB
July 1st, 2012
10:16 pm
If i was Larussa, they’d get 3 Innings of Dickey, then 2 innings of Cain, then closers all the way in after that
MIBravesFan
July 1st, 2012
10:16 pm
Stop screaming
NickB
July 1st, 2012
10:16 pm
MIB
sorry
TheOnlyBravesFan
July 1st, 2012
10:17 pm
Outside of May, July looks like BMac’s best month. Highest SLG in July overall, and 2nd highest batting avg comes in July (highest comes in May)
http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/split.cgi?id=mccanbr01&year=Career&t=b#month
Look for Danny to step it up in July and August
http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/split.cgi?id=ugglada01&year=Career&t=b#month
MIBravesFan
July 1st, 2012
10:17 pm
Now that makes sense, Nick, thank you
Jake W.
July 1st, 2012
10:17 pm
Not pretty numbers from guys that were/are hitting 3/4 in the lineup. Not even 4/5 or 5/6 is this okay. Someone’s gotta pick it up soon. I bet Dan does first, he’s shown it earlier this year. BMac needs to bring back his mojo.
I was saying earlier that some of the vets aren’t doing their part and that hurts just as much if not more than the young ones and their ups and downs. If Frank Wren can solidify the pitching, hopefully those guys with the bats turn it around and hit like they did for the first month of the season when this lineup looked real deep.
keylargo
July 1st, 2012
10:19 pm
Nick – I said in the first post that we could get two starters in trade for McCann and have $13 M in salary to sign other players. Ross’ catching partner could come from that pool.
Trey
July 1st, 2012
10:20 pm
At least we have Kimbrel in the ASG. He absolutely deserves it.
Venice Jim
July 1st, 2012
10:20 pm
Add Uggla and Furcal to those 3 and the National League fans really look like idiots
Exactly – it gets old scrolling through all the second basemen when checking out the listings of stats every day…
Mark
July 1st, 2012
10:20 pm
I wish we’d bring Constanza back unless he is hurt or gone and send Francisco packing. Bring Pastornicky back up and send Wilson packing. Give Venters a break b/c something is wrong with him and it isn’t mechanics. He has a dead arm compared to the first 2/3rds of last year. They abused him with overuse.
We can’t let Mac go b/c we don’t have anyhting nearly as good. He’ll be ok again. He is a battler and has had some eye and injury issues. Sometimes we don’t know what we have until its gone. Mac is good! If I were Mac I’d want to be traded to the Yanks. Short porch in right and they’d love him there.
Uggla needs to go. Try and talk some dumb GM into taking an All-Star in a trade.
Trade Bourn and get as much as we can from a contender.
NickB
July 1st, 2012
10:23 pm
Mark
how did I know you’d be one of those Constanza people
he hits worse than Francisco, and has no power, pass, let him stay in AAA where he belongs
Jake W.
July 1st, 2012
10:24 pm
Hawks may find a taker for Joe Johnson, with that contract thought it would be impossible to trade him.
NickB
July 1st, 2012
10:24 pm
keylargo
there are no catchers to be gotten that will hit as good as Mac that will cost less than Mac….. that’s the problem
MIBravesFan
July 1st, 2012
10:25 pm
“NickB
July 1st, 2012
10:16 pm
If i was Larussa, they’d get 3 Innings of Dickey, then 2 innings of Cain, then closers all the way in after that”
That’s a good idea, IMO.
Venice Jim
July 1st, 2012
10:25 pm
So, Mark, who do you envision playing 2nd?
TheOnlyBravesFan
July 1st, 2012
10:26 pm
Don’t say Mac to the Yanks! McFann would freak…..
Anyways, I don’t see a reason to dump BMac right now, or even next year (unless for some reason, next year, we’re way out of it and can get a massive haul in return). Just give him his option (though giving 12 million to guy who’s hitting this poorly might seem silly, he can’t stay this bad) and see what next year holds. If he plays too well to price himself out of our range, so be it. If he plays poorly again, he’s gone.
However, I don’t see that happening. I (hope) and think he hits .275 next year, with decent defense, and be worth about 12-14 million for at most 4 years. No more than that, IMO.
Venice Jim
July 1st, 2012
10:26 pm
30 years ago Linda Purl was much younger…
NickB
July 1st, 2012
10:27 pm
MIB
I reckon it’ll throw the hitters off, 3 innings of knuckleball followed by power pitching followed by extreme power pitching
MIBravesFan
July 1st, 2012
10:29 pm
McFann isn’t the only one who would be upset about trading BMac to the flippin’ Yankeees!!! Second worst trade in Detroit Tigers history was Granderson to the Yankees!!
Mark
July 1st, 2012
10:29 pm
Constanza can run and create excitement. We usually do pretty well when he is in the lineup too. I know you are a stat guy. I wonder what our record is when he starts last year and this. Francisco fits the bill for the lazy looking, no fielding, can’t run the bases ball player.
MIBravesFan
July 1st, 2012
10:30 pm
“NickB
July 1st, 2012
10:27 pm
MIB
I reckon it’ll throw the hitters off, 3 innings of knuckleball followed by power pitching followed by extreme power pitching”
That’s my thinking too!
Venice Jim
July 1st, 2012
10:31 pm
I have yet to find a correlation between the times when I get excited and the Braves win…
keylargo
July 1st, 2012
10:31 pm
I’ll just drop it NickB if you have nothing better than that to contribute. Mac with his .226 average , 6 something OPS is the best .. yeah, I want to continue talking to someone who believes that.
McFann :Ô: :Ô: :ô:
July 1st, 2012
10:32 pm
Yeah, if our GM traded BMac to the Yankees, he might have a riot on his hands…
Oh, and he’d have to change his last name. No one who’d trade BMac to any team, especially the Yankees, should be allowed to own the name “Wren”…
Mark
July 1st, 2012
10:34 pm
There are several out there I’d prefer over Uggla and they cost a lot less.
If we couldn’t get another one I’d rather put Prado back there and let Diaz/Constsanza play left. The problem then becomes who plays 3rd all the days Chipper will be out hurt.
Maybe the trade for Uggla could get us at least a backup 3B.
Mark
July 1st, 2012
10:36 pm
Jim
I was speaking about speed. It makes it a lot more fun than sitting back watching some of these slow pitch softball swings. Speed creates problems for the opposition is all I was referring to
NickB
July 1st, 2012
10:37 pm
keylargo
I didn’t say “the best’ but I did say that he is contributing more than the avg catcher is with the bat.
and you still haven’t mentioned ONE SINGLE NAME that the Braves could get, who would hit better and cost less.
why would I want to continue to talk to someone like that?
Venice Jim
July 1st, 2012
10:37 pm
Some people hate Mac – for those who do, how can we argue with their ability to throw him under the bus when perhaps there is the slightest chance he might redeem himself…they are working on cold, hard stats and refusing to recognize the possibility that they can be reversed…
NickB
July 1st, 2012
10:39 pm
2 things that good GM’s never do:
create a need when there isn’t one
trade young prospects that aren’t blocked
dookie breath
July 1st, 2012
10:39 pm
Braves done messed up hiring Fredi G. to run the club. Dude sticks his nose where it don’t belong at least once a game.,
MIBravesFan
July 1st, 2012
10:40 pm
If the Braves want to BMac, trade him to the Tigers!!!!
TheOnlyBravesFan
July 1st, 2012
10:40 pm
another golden nugget from the mind of the great VJ
Venice Jim
July 1st, 2012
10:41 pm
Have to get on base to use the speed – I think your ability to totally disregard what Uggla brings to the team is shortsighted (given the unfortunate frequency of his horrendous slumps)…
Mark
July 1st, 2012
10:41 pm
I’m not sure about much but I guarantee everyone that Mac will not be traded. He will be the face of the Braves after Chipper is gone.
McFann :Ô: :Ô: :ô:
July 1st, 2012
10:41 pm
Yeah, the BMac haters—I don’t know what he did to possibly deserve half of what they dish out to him. Unless he killed their dogs? I don’t know…he likes dogs a lot, so that seems unlikely…
Anyway, I’m out before he tries to explain his distain to me. Been a pretty crummy day, so I don’t really need that…
Night, all.
Venice Jim
July 1st, 2012
10:42 pm
On the positive side, Dodgers up 8-3…
nolie
July 1st, 2012
10:43 pm
hope the Mac haters don’t hold their breath till that trade
ChattTownBrian
July 1st, 2012
10:43 pm
NickB, that is why I think Wren will go as hard as he can after Greinke. See he won’t need to trade a lot at all to get him, I don’t imagine, and will have money to sign him long term if the price is within reason. Again, Greinke grew up a big Braves fan, and that could automatically put us in the advantage against a team like the Yankees, etc.
We get him.
TheOnlyBravesFan
July 1st, 2012
10:43 pm
night, Fann
MIBravesFan
July 1st, 2012
10:43 pm
Goodnight, McFann – and he didn’t do anything to deserve it
Mark
July 1st, 2012
10:45 pm
Jim you are probably right. I cant stand his up and down play because it is mostly down. SOOOOOO many times he is up with runners on and we get nothing but Ks. Any idea what his average has been since he came to us?
dookie breath
July 1st, 2012
10:45 pm
“hope the mac haters don’t hold their breath till that trade”
Would u like me to hold mine?
MIBravesFan
July 1st, 2012
10:47 pm
Actually, nolie, don’t you hope they do?
Nick
July 1st, 2012
10:47 pm
The Braves should be in SELL mode. They are a mediocre team. At the end of the year, they will either be barely over .500 or barely under .500. They aren’t better than the Nats, Mets. Giants, Reds, Pirates, etc. McCann should be sent to an AL team. I’m sure some team like the Tigers would part with some good prospects for Mac. At this point in his career, he is a liability behind the plate and his offense is easily replaceable. Bourn and Uggla would bring in good hauls as well. Others I would try to trade would be Venters, CMart, Ross, Hinske, Diaz, Minor, Delgado, and Teheran. This team needs to build around Simmons, Heyward, Prado, Freeman, Kimbrel, Hanson, Beachy, Vizcaino, Medlen, etc.
NickB
July 1st, 2012
10:48 pm
Chatttown
I think so to, I think it costs us Minor or Delgado and a B prospect, maybe a throw in low level guy too, I really wouldn’t mind adding K-rod to bolster the pen too, but I doubt that happens.
let’s hope Sheets finds the Magic as Greinke,Hudson,Hanson,Sheets,JJ sounds pretty nasty to me
TheOnlyBravesFan
July 1st, 2012
10:48 pm
Mark:
BA OBP SLG OPS OPS+
.234 .328 .441 .769 107
But keep in mind, he had a horrible 2 months to start his season, he worked up from .172 to .233 last year. Hit almost .300 from July 5 IIRC
Again, Greinke grew up a big Braves fan,
Oh, really? I didn’t know that…. It might give us an advantage, but Fredi will screw up and jinx us from getting him roll:
Venice Jim
July 1st, 2012
10:49 pm
Would u like me to hold mine?
After the garlic, absolutely yes…
NickB
July 1st, 2012
10:50 pm
lol, is that some guy being silly there? or does the other NICK really want to trade all of our young pitching, and half of the rest of the team?
monty
July 1st, 2012
10:50 pm
I bet John Smoltz could still throw 91, but his arm would fall off.
ChattTownBrian
July 1st, 2012
10:50 pm
Nick, I will rip my foot off in your stinky ass! Go to bed you miserable little shyt.
jeffrey d
July 1st, 2012
10:51 pm
Another chicken nugget from the mind of the great Nick
TheOnlyBravesFan
July 1st, 2012
10:51 pm
C-Mart, Ross, Hinske, and Diaz aren’t very tradeable IMO, unless you just want to get rid of them (cash drops) and get back A-ball players.
MIBravesFan
July 1st, 2012
10:52 pm
John Smoltz has finally gotten to a place in his life when he won’t insist on trying anymore, I think – and it took a lot for him to get there!
Mark
July 1st, 2012
10:52 pm
So counting the stretch last year, that short stretch when he was hot,and considering that hes at .234 or so this year, he has hit .234 for a year and a half?
TheOnlyBravesFan
July 1st, 2012
10:53 pm
Nick is bringing stupid nuggets….
NickB
July 1st, 2012
10:54 pm
i like how it’s a “little stretch”
your fixation on Uggla is darn near pathological
Venice Jim
July 1st, 2012
10:54 pm
Apparently, he likes us a lot better than he did a while back, so we must applaud his conversion:
Nick
March 6th, 2012
2:30 pm
This Braves team will lose 100 games. Bad starting pitching, bad relief pitching, horrible offense, nonexistent bench, worst manager in baseball, bad GM, and terrible ownership. This team has become pathetic and embarrassing.
MIBravesFan
July 1st, 2012
10:55 pm
And so I await jeffrey d’s never ending words of wisdom when he isn’t speaking in math talk?
ChattTownBrian
July 1st, 2012
10:55 pm
Smoltz has just found another way to promote himself is why he’s content with leaving the game. Books, next will be a self made statue of himself in front of Turner Field.
Love ya Smoltzie!
monty
July 1st, 2012
10:56 pm
I like Chipper better when he doesn’t put the blame on the young guys. Seems to me Simmons made the game close yesterday, and FF made it a game today for awhile. Heyward been carrying most of the offense lately. MBAC,UGGLA,CHiPPER, not so much. Young pitchers have been inconsistent, but if those old guys had been performing lately, they might of had different outcomes.
TheOnlyBravesFan
July 1st, 2012
10:57 pm
Yes, Mark…. If I counted from when his hitting streak started, he’d probably be near .245-.250
nolie
July 1st, 2012
10:57 pm
you got a point there MIBF
MIBravesFan
July 1st, 2012
10:57 pm
CTB is Jeffreyd! Who knew?
jeffrey d
July 1st, 2012
10:58 pm
You mean that “little stretch” of 72 games where Uggla was hitting the crap out of the ball? Yeah, that’s nothing compared to this humongous 3 week stretch where he’s been struggling.
TheOnlyBravesFan
July 1st, 2012
11:00 pm
Though, it wasn’t a little stretch, he did it for 75 games
BA OBP SLG OPS BAbip
.301 .386 .596 .982 .337
with 24 HR, 11 Doubles, 53 RBI, 35BB, 79 SO, and only 5 DPs grounded into.
jeffrey d
July 1st, 2012
11:00 pm
And so I await jeffrey d’s never ending words of wisdom when he isn’t speaking in math talk?
I’ve spoken math like, twice this year.
CTB is Jeffreyd! Who knew?
I didn’t….They sure had me fooled!
B_F 54
July 1st, 2012
11:00 pm
Lets get on a roll Bravos and silence the nabobs
jeffrey d
July 1st, 2012
11:00 pm
Well, math that isn’t related to basebal, that is
Nick
July 1st, 2012
11:01 pm
Can any of you honestly say you think the Braves will win the World Series this year? Didn’t think so. What about in the next 3 years? Didn’t think so. Sometimes I think Braves fan only care about getting drunk and doing the chop. Nobody cares about winning anymore. Why be satisfied with a winning record or making it to the playoffs once in 6 years?
TheOnlyBravesFan
July 1st, 2012
11:03 pm
Uggla had a 2.5 month hitting tear last year, plus 2.25 months of hitting this year. Tale that against 3 weeks of struggles this year, and 2 months of struggles last year.
MIBravesFan
July 1st, 2012
11:03 pm
Oh no, math and baseball are totally unrelated . . . .
nolie
July 1st, 2012
11:03 pm
while Freeman,Heyward and Simmons are doing well now, for a large part of the season they have been very inconsistent (Pastor instead of Simmons obviously) they have caused a lot of the early problems of long losing streaks, when Prado,Bourn and Uggla were doing very well. The young pitchers have been very inconsistent too. hopefully that will all improve as the kids get more playing time, but as the crap about Uggla votes shows there are a whole passel of folks here with damn short memories. coupla weeks seems to be the limit on the best of then, a few days on the worst….
TheOnlyBravesFan
July 1st, 2012
11:04 pm
Sometimes I think Braves fan only care about getting drunk and doing the chop.
Can’t drink here, buddy
Anyways, playoffs are a gamble, you just do your best to get in. We have a great chance to get in the playoffs.
Venice Jim
July 1st, 2012
11:04 pm
Nick – could you have said last year the Cardinals would? Crawl back in your hole and suck on your toenails, you sarphologistic gernomial…
NickB
July 1st, 2012
11:04 pm
no way to tell, any team that makes the WC can win it all, it’s a crap shoot at that point
monty
July 1st, 2012
11:06 pm
When is the last time theYankies won a series? Guess no one cares over there. Maybe they should spend more dough, that will show they care.
MIBravesFan
July 1st, 2012
11:07 pm
Flippin Cardinals and flippin Marlins – that’s why they changed the rules to make it harder for a WC team to win!
jeffrey d
July 1st, 2012
11:07 pm
You had me unti sarphologistic
NickB
July 1st, 2012
11:08 pm
MIB
I must admit , the only thing I like about the extra WC games is it forces them to use their best pitchers giving some advantage to the division winners again. I always thought that the wildcard should have no home games or something
MIBravesFan
July 1st, 2012
11:09 pm
Poor Tom Cruise – three divorces now.
TheOnlyBravesFan
July 1st, 2012
11:10 pm
I may have 99 problems but the Braves ain’t 1….
Mark
July 1st, 2012
11:12 pm
To me Uggla is our most glaring problem. He is suppose to be the cleanup hitter. He hovers around .235 counting his few hot streaks. Thats poor and as fans we aren’t helping if we accept such mediocrity.
Last year, and I may be crazy for suggesting it, but people were all over Nate McOut and Scott Proctor or whatever his name was. The cities that are known for having hard to please fans usually do well. In ATL we are guilty at times of just accepting all the post game excuses…
I don’t know. Just want them to do well and we have too many glaring holes. Sometimes we expect these owners and gms to treat teams like retirement plans and play it safe and hold guys for the future. Well, that hasn’t worked real well. We have one title. I know ownership and lack of money plays a huge part but crap fire…
The Marlins catch a lot of grief from some for selling off teams after they go out and get players and win. Well, at least they went and got what they needed and won and how much worse off are they now than the conservative hold on to every prospect for the future Braves.
Save the Stupid Texeira trade when did the Braves last go out and really try to do something to win?
Trey
July 1st, 2012
11:12 pm
jeffrey, me too. I couldn’t even find it on google.
MIBravesFan
July 1st, 2012
11:13 pm
Nick – I wish they had that rule before the Braves had to deal with the dang Marlins and Eric’s strike zone!! 1997!
TheOnlyBravesFan
July 1st, 2012
11:14 pm
I must admit , the only thing I like about the extra WC games
Game…lol, I agree with you, makes both managers have their pitchers on short leases, likely causing them to use more pitchers. The fact that it’s only 1 game is stupid though.
MIBravesFan
July 1st, 2012
11:15 pm
If they were going to add a “round” add a round, not a 1-game playoff. That’s not a “round”!
jeffrey d
July 1st, 2012
11:16 pm
whoa…VJ’s smarter than Google?
MIBravesFan
July 1st, 2012
11:16 pm
Oh good grief!!!! Lol!