Braves come from way back in 7th, but lose to Nats in 8th

Until the seventh inning Friday, it seemed as if wasted scoring chances, slopping fielding and another early exit for starter Randall Delgado would all be part of the autopsy of the latest Braves loss to the nemesis Washington Nationals.

Things changed quickly in that seventh for the Braves and rookie Andrelton Simmons, who got redemption with a game-tying two-run homer that capped a four-run inning and erased the Nationals’ 4-0 lead.

But the momentum shift was quashed quickly when Michael Morse led off the eighth with a first-pitch homer off Braves reliever Chad Durbin, sending the Nationals toward a 5-4 win in the series opener at Turner Field.

“You want the games like this, because you want emotional games,” said Simmons, who flied out with two on to end the game. “You want to battle, and after you win you feel good about yourself, like you accomplished something. But after battling that much and losing, it hurts.”

Morse went 4-for-4 and scored three runs as the Nationals beat the Braves for the fifth time in six games this season. He hit the first pitch of the night from Durbin and drove it over the right-center fence for an opposite-field homer.

“He’s got a lot of juice going that way,” Durbin said. “It’s the first pitch and he’s 3-for-3 at that point, he’s going to try to be aggressive, try to get that fourth [hit], maybe try to leave the park. You don’t want to get behind [in the count] either, the way the guy is swinging.

“It was middle-middle, probably middle-away just a little bit. Might want to make a little better pitch, but then again, until they hit it out or hit one in the gap it’s not all that bad [a pitch].”

The Braves fell to 4-1/2 games behind Washington and a half-game behind second-place New York pending the outcome of the Mets’ late game at Los Angeles. The Braves are 18-28 against the Nationals since the final week of the 2009 season, and have scored just 18 runs in their past eight games (1-7) against them going back to last season.

“I feel like we’re on the same level,” Simmons said. “Just a couple of bad breaks. I mean, the  guys are hitting the ball well. Pitching has been good; we’ve had some ups and downs, but we know what they’re capable of. Defense can be good; we struggled a bit tonight. It’s just a matter of being consistent, and we’ll get these [next] two games.”

It was 101 degrees for the first pitch Friday night, and the temperature is expected to be even higher for afternoon games Saturday and Sunday against the Nationals. The Braves’ struggling Mike Minor will face Nationals ace Stephen Strasburg on Saturday.

After coming back to tie, then falling behind again on the Morse homer, the Braves had another chance in the ninth after Freddie Freeman’s leadoff double against closer Tyler Clippard.

The Braves didn’t try to bunt him over, and pinch-hitter Eric Hinske flied out to center not deep enough to advance the runner. Martin Prado then drew a four-pitch walk before Michael Bourn and Simmons flied out to end the game with Freeman still at second.

Gonzalez was asked if his limited bench prevented him from doing anything other than having Hinske swing away in the ninth.

“You could do a couple different things if you want to, but you feel like with ‘Ski at the plate being a left-handed hitter, that he’s going to get a pitch that he can at least hit to the right side,” Gonzalez said. “It was a change-up down and away, good pitch by Clippard and ‘Ski popped it up to the center fielder.”

Delgado lasted four innings and was charged with eight hits and four runs (two earned). He threw 90 pitches, plenty coming during the ragged two-error third inning.

Sloppy defense can be dispiriting, particularly early in games. The Braves haven’t had many such innings lately, but the third certainly was one.

After the Nationals took a 1-0 lead in the second on three hits including a two-out RBI single by pitcher Ross Detwiler, Delgado retired the first two batters in the third. Then things got ugly.

Adam LaRoche reached on an error by second baseman Jack Wilson, in his first start this season after Gonzalez decided to have slumping Dan Uggla finally take a night off.

Morse followed with a grounder that skipped past third baseman Chipper Jones and was initially ruled an error, and  Simmons made a throwing error on the same play when he tried to catch LaRoche off-guard at second base.

Ian Desmond singled to drive in both runners for a 3-0 lead. The Jones error was later changed to a hit, but both runs in the inning were unearned because of the two-out Wilson error that started the mess.

“It just put [Delgado] in a hole,” Gonzalez said. “That inning maybe works a little different, he gets that next guy, gets a 1-2-3 inning, he may be able to breathe a little bit and go five or six. But we put him behind the 8-ball there in that inning….

“I think [Simmons' error] was definitely a youthful error. He got excited and tried to create something with his arm, which is a very good arm. And Willy… you play this game long enough you’re going to misplay a groundball or throw a ball away.”

Aside from the homer it was a rough night Simmons, who also grounded out with runners on the corners to end the third inning and flied out with the bases loaded to end the fifth as the Braves continued their struggles with runners in scoring position.

“We put ourselves in a hole early,” Simmons said. “We made a couple of errors and we had a couple of opportunities to score runs and we didn’t. I left, like, eight people on base, or 10, I don’t even know. I mean, we had our chances. We definitely had our chances. They got a lot of hits but we stayed in the game. We just didn’t capitalize.”

Of his throwing error, he said, “I saw two balls go off of gloves, at second base [Wilson’s error] and go off of Chipper Jones. I was trying to back-pick LaRoche at second. I was too aggressive. Just a little immature of me. I’ve got to be better than that.”

After going 0-for-8 with runners in scoring position in Thursday’s 3-2 loss to Arizona, they were 2-for-10 Friday including 1-for-6 through the first five innings as they fell behind 4-0. The Nationals’ fourth run came on a Jesus Flores homer off Delgado in the fourth.

The Braves’ RISP woes cropped up again after Matt Diaz led off the fifth with a double. Freeman followed with a fly out and Wilson grounded out before pinch-hitter Juan Francisco was hit by a pitch.

Bourn hit a slow grounder between home plate and the mound, and his speed and hustle forced Detwiler to rush as he tried to field it. He dropped the ball for an error that loaded the bases. With the potential tying run at the plate, Simmons flied out.

The Braves finally broke through in the seventh, after Freeman was hit by a pitch with one out. Wilson followed with a bunt single and Prado’s pinch-hit single drove in the Braves’ first run.

Bourn followed with a sacrifice fly to cut the lead to 4-2, and Simmons homered on a 1-2 pitch from the lefty Detwiler, clearing the left-field fence for his third home run and 12th and 13th RBIs in 24 games since the rookie was brought to the majors from Double-A Mississippi.

Delgado got no decision to end a three-start losing streak, though it wasn’t the kind of performance the Braves hoped to see from one of their two inconsistent young starters — Minor is the other — at least one of whom could lose his spot before much longer. Delgado is 2-4 with a 5.26 ERA in his past eight games, and was coming off the briefest start of his career, 1-1/3 innings (six hits, four runs) on Sunday at Boston.

“Delgado didn’t pitch particularly well [Friday], but I thought that third inning he goes out after laboring through the first couple innings with a high pitch count,” Gonzalez said.  “He gets the first two guys, quick outs, and then we didn’t help him much after that. We made some mistakes behind him and got his pitch count up to 90 pitches for four innings.

“The good thing is we battled back and made it a hell of a game. And I think it’s going to be this way against these guys for the next 12, 13 games that we play them.”

111 comments Add your comment

Phil

June 29th, 2012
11:01 pm

Bummer. First

Phil

June 29th, 2012
11:01 pm

Thought we were destined to win

Ebenezer Snerdberg

June 29th, 2012
11:05 pm

The Dinger Flinger is back! Well, just got to tip your hat and keep runnin’ him out there. Havana Fats is a clueless mow-roon!

NorCal Brave

June 29th, 2012
11:07 pm

The Braves must lead the majors in wasted leadoff doubles. I’m sure Fredi will be full of compliments for how they battled back, but after sleepwalking through last night’s game, it took them 7 innings to wake up tonight. I’ll say it til I’m blue in the face: Bottle Martin Prado’s pride and make every guy on this team drink it.

Commish Dude

June 29th, 2012
11:09 pm

You get a leadoff double down one and a tie is almost a given because you can do it without a hit. Braves don’t even advance him past second base. That is ALL on the manager. You don’t NEED A HIT there but that’s all Gonzalez plays for. I’ve held off dumping on the guy but can’t stand it anymore. He’s clueless.

The Joker

June 29th, 2012
11:09 pm

Why…..Oh Why do you bat Hinske with nobody out and the tying run on second in the bottom of the ninth????? Clearly a bunting situation. There were two flyballs hit that would have easily scored a runner from third. #Bobbywemissyou

Sweaty

June 29th, 2012
11:09 pm

Not this team. Not against the Nats. Gotta be the most infuriating team in the majors. Braves were lucky to be anywhere close after another dismal outing from Delgado combined with even more pitiful defense and yet another buffet of LOBsters. Yet somehow we tie it in the 7th, only to see one of our better bullpen arms give up a leadoff homer in the 8th. Braves top it off by getting the the leadoff and tying run to second in the 9th, only to fail to even give him a chance to get to third… this team aint going anywhere without (at least) a few changes.

RK

June 29th, 2012
11:09 pm

Barves? Nice editing on the link.

meg

June 29th, 2012
11:12 pm

RK-I think it’s plural for Barf. How appropriate tonight.

NatFanNatl

June 29th, 2012
11:16 pm

Go Nats!…Sweep….Guess who’s pitching tomorrow?

Ghost of Dave Bristol

June 29th, 2012
11:17 pm

Hard to win with starters that only go 4 innings, relievers that have a penchant for giving up the long ball and a lineup full of hitters that choke with runners in scoring position.

DaveinNEPA

June 29th, 2012
11:21 pm

Looks like the BP has contracted a case of “gopheritis”.

It’s nice how Fredi set up the rotation for the Nats. Oh, wait………I guess we’ll just have to “tip our hats” to the Nats.

bulldozer

June 29th, 2012
11:23 pm

i would have rather hudson pinch hit in the 9th and laid down a bunt…

iTiSi

June 29th, 2012
11:26 pm

Anyone notice “the 800lb. gorilla” sitting in the room wasn’t even mentioned in this article? It wasn’t and it probably wasn’t even brought up in the post game conference either. Beginning to really, really wonder what’s going on between the media and FG? An old song comes to mind “Rock the Boat, DON’T rock the boat baby, Rock the Boat”.

Tom

June 29th, 2012
11:28 pm

We have plenty of talent. Don’t plsy smart Baseball. Should have gotten The runner to third and then get him in then take our chances. Bourn and Heyward would have a lot more stlen bases on another team. Problem is game mangement. Way do wait to rest Dan when playing the Nats. Our Manager is wasting our talent.

Caleb

June 29th, 2012
11:30 pm

Freddie has to be fired now, never seen such a clueless moron. How do you not bunt him over, shouldnt even be a question. WOW

Tom

June 29th, 2012
11:30 pm

braves are working at their best of taking 1 in any series versus nats.

Uggla's Arms

June 29th, 2012
11:30 pm

Loss after loss because of questionable decisions.

Ken Stallings

June 29th, 2012
11:32 pm

The Braves as a team did not deserve to win this game. You play 162 regular season games in a single season. If you win 90 plus you have an excellent chance to earn post-season. If you lose more than 90, you are a bottom feeder. The margin of difference between both extremes truly comes down to an odd 60 games that the best teams win and the worst teams lose.

Tonight’s game was primarily lost because the team had at least four players lose mental focus or arrive at the ball park with a mindset to play a ball under certain circumstances that put avoidance of injury over proper fielding procedure.

You don’t win those 60 odd games that parse success from failure if you team plays with such a gross lack of discipline and focus. Physical errors such as Jack Wilson made are going to happen. The ball ran up his glove and arm. The other errors were mental in nature. Diaz should know he doesn’t have the arm to throw out a runner on the verge of scoring. Simmons had absolutely no reason to throw to second even if the throw had been accurate.

Instead, his throw was horrible and went right into short right field.

The man who scored the first of the two unearned runs that inning reached on Wilson’s error. The second reached on the error that Jones made under pre-meditated decision to avoid getting in front of the ball. Both men got into scoring decision because of a foolish and needless throw to an uncovered second base.

The single that scored them both was a sharp liner between third and short. Diaz did not throw to the cutoff man, but airmailed the throw to the plate. An accurate throw had a chance to gun down the runner for the third out and limit the damage to one unearned run scored. However, it was a low chance play.

Teams that do not play with focus do not earn post-season. The Braves are not playing like a team wanting to earn a post-season trip.

Tom

June 29th, 2012
11:33 pm

still predicting a Nats sweep, they have the braves totally mindfu**** since they were the expos.

thomas smith

June 29th, 2012
11:33 pm

first of all martin prado should have been at second base .second we got a leadoff batter on in the 8th and 9th where jack wilson could have bunted.or maybe a pitcher to bunt.but no our stupid manager wants to hit away not advancing either baserunner.if mccan or hinske can’t bunt pinch hit with somebody that can..also o’flaherty should have pitched the 8th like he has recently.i had a friend move here from miami and he told me fg was a bad manager and boy is it true..when are you guys at ajc going to speak your mind about fredi g .being a bad manager.don’t yah have any huevos. we keep losing games because of our manager..please fire the goon.

Commish Dude

June 29th, 2012
11:33 pm

Starting pitching is not the problem. Delgado not great but gave up two earned runs. If Wilson fields a routine ground ball and you save two runs and save Delgado about 12 pitches.

The problem is a manager who is incapable of making routine calls to help his team win. Will not move runners over with a bunt or a steal even with a runner on 2B with no outs down one. Fills out a lineup and spectates for the rest of the game. Pathetic.

ACE

June 29th, 2012
11:34 pm

We all know what is going on between the media and Fredi. Don’t ask any tough questions and you can still ride Harleys with me and hang out in the club house. This group didn’t have any problem with rushing out with the news that Chipper was seperated but yet they can’t ask Fredi questions other than ones that he can answer with got to keep running them out there and got to tip your cap. Another question that should be asked is what is the management of AJC thinking.

Commish Dude

June 29th, 2012
11:38 pm

They ask all the tough questions, just like Don Sutton on the broadcasts. Yeah right. “Wow what a tough break no one could get a single with the tying run on 2B and no outs. You had what you wanted there but some times it just doesn’t go your way. Tough game baseball. Just have to tip your hat to the other team.” Blah Blah Blah.

ACE

June 29th, 2012
11:40 pm

We have articles about how Larry Drew was a cheap hire and how he is no upgrade over Mike Woodson, at least his teams have the playoffs and I know someone will say everyone makes the playoffs in the NBA. That is not the point if the AJC is going to question the moves of one coach/manager in this town why not all of them?

DaveinNEPA

June 29th, 2012
11:40 pm

It is very frustrating to watch this much talent go to waste. I can’t even figure why nobody tried to sacrifice Freeman to 3b in that situation. Fredi looks like an even bigger tactical moron than Cox did.

Commish Dude

June 29th, 2012
11:42 pm

Even the guys on MLB Network are commenting about the “failure to get the runner on 2b with no outs to third when down one.” Of course, they don’t know the Braves didn’t even TRY TO GET THE RUNNER TO 3B with no outs because their manager is a brain dead idiot!! They probably wouldn’t believe that unless they saw it themselves.

thomas smith

June 29th, 2012
11:43 pm

i’m tired of tip the hat to the other team.tip your hat to fredi g he is the other teams best player.he stinks

Dawg Fan in Grayson

June 29th, 2012
11:45 pm

Braves have the worst bench in MLB and BP is average as grits as well. McCann and Uggla lack of performance is hurting this team too. Overall team is a long way from being a play-off team.

Larry

June 29th, 2012
11:45 pm

Who was the coward playing third base tonight that contributed to allowing their first two runs?

Baloo

June 29th, 2012
11:45 pm

Bourn close to leading the league and hits but his stolen bases are down, Is Freddie holding him back?

Baloo

June 29th, 2012
11:49 pm

jt

June 29th, 2012
11:49 pm

What happened to get em over and get them in? Freddie, chose to let that fat tub of lard Hinske try to get a hit. Hudson was in dugout and is one of the best bunt guys we have. Oh no, Freddie chose to let Hinske make an ass out of himself as well as Freddie himself.
What am I missing here?????

ACE

June 29th, 2012
11:53 pm

It is past time for the braves upper management to wake up and do something. Didn’t make any moves in the off season and now they are paying for it big time.

jt

June 29th, 2012
11:53 pm

Boy did Chipper look like an old man out there on that ground ball or what???

Disgusted

June 30th, 2012
12:07 am

Totally unprofessional hitting by Hinske in the 9th. Man at 2nd, nobody out. There is ONLY one thing that needs to be done – get the man to 3rd. A ground ball to the right side. That’s it. That’s all. If you don’t think the guy at the plate can do it bunt that darn ball! It’s really very simple and very obvious.

Ryan

June 30th, 2012
12:09 am

Thats why Nats let there pitcher bat in the 8th they knew they had this game. McCann and Uggla donot belong on allstar team with there 230 average. FIRE FREDDI he manages just like Cox. Just once i like to see us pinchhit with righty against a righty so insead of Hinski use Ross. Wilson is a piece of crap that has no place on the team along with Hinski.

Retired 6 years too late

June 30th, 2012
12:10 am

Why was Dias and Wilson in the starting line up or better still, why are these guys ON THIS TEAM. Oh, I forgot, you have to have harmony in the club house and be approved by Chipper to be on this team. Give me players who hate losing, show their emotions on their sleeves , instead laid back attitude and we will get them tomorrow attitude. This bench is so bad, even the team with the worst record(San Diego) wouldn’t take Hinske, Dias and Wilson on their team. Give Bobbi Light his walking papers tonight. Fire Frank Wren, JS after this season and please someone local buy this team. Clean out the scouting department and hire guys who will get the best players out there in the farm system.

Mikey B

June 30th, 2012
12:21 am

I agree with everyone here. What an awful job of managing a baseball team. Someone in the Braves front office has got to be heated over this. It’s been going on for so long you would think patience is starting to wear thin with this clown. If Fredi isn’t ever going to be held accountable or ever feel like he is on the hot seat then folks, expect more of these decisions in the future. Even if Hinske goes yard there and the Braves win that does not mean it was a good call on Fredi’s part. It would be merely a bailout like hitting a two outer on the river. It’s not a move a “professional” would make. I just don’t understand how Fredi can keep getting away with this and keep getting away with making the same lame excuses about it over and over again. Doesn’t anyone within the organization care at all what the manager is doing to this team?? I’m really starting to wonder. He’s not a motivator, he can’t make decisions the way a professional manager is suppose to and the team seems lifeless more often than not because of it. I honestly believe whoever the Braves found to replace Fredi (if he is ever fired) could not be any worse than this guy. Please do us all a favor and fire Fredi now!!!

ACE

June 30th, 2012
12:28 am

You think at least the reporters would hold Fredi’s feet to the fire on these moves. We got one quote about the decision not to bunt.

SLBReb

June 30th, 2012
12:28 am

Freddie G. is the absolute worse nightmare a team could have. Please some one on the team brass let this intellectual giant go – trade for a bag of balls maybe. Anyone who has a lead off double and sends a guy who is 2 for his last thousand up to the plate and does not bunt is either on the take or is too freakin stupid to be at this level. This team has no chance. Please someone with the say so do the right thing and not listen to Cox.

The Atom Bomb

June 30th, 2012
12:56 am

This is the sorriest team in baseball. The team is composed of a bunch of “never has been’s, and never will be’s.” The offence cannot offend, an the defence cannot defend. Also, the pitchers cannot pitch, and the managers cannot manage. It’s gong to be hard for them to reach the total bottom in the division, but not impossible, so there is hope that they may make it yet….

Steve From Dalton

June 30th, 2012
1:00 am

Does Freddie make it through the season?

ACE

June 30th, 2012
1:16 am

When Fredi is fired I am sure this group of reporters will claim it was due to their hard hitting questions.

IdahoBravesFan

June 30th, 2012
1:48 am

I’m thinking we lose tomorrow for sure with Minor against Strassburg. Then we maybe win one against the Nats. Take on Chicago and play in our typical underwhelming way against inferior teams. Lose 3 out of four to the Cubs. Then we take on Philadelphia that owns us and maybe win one out of two. We go into the all star break at least nine games out. I hope I am wrong but this team gives me no cause to think otherwise. No pride man. Like one guys said, bottle Prado’s pride and make the rest of these guys take a good long swig of it.

SR

June 30th, 2012
2:02 am

Come on, really. Boring team. Very boring team. Choke whenever they play a contender. Cannot get into the playoffs with this roster as presently constructed, no way. Braves. Blah, blah, blah, lose to Nats. Blah, blah, blah, lose to Yankees. Blah, blah, blah, blah, tip your cap, tip your cap, tip your cap. Barely above mediocre with terrible GM and Manager. July, August, September then buh bye Bravos, same as it ever was. YAWN……

DrHman

June 30th, 2012
2:50 am

I agree with Commish and Joker, WHO IS YOUR BEST BUNTER??? Hudson..? Why was HINSKI batting instead of someone that can BUNT? And look at what happened, FREEMAN had BUSTED HIS BUTT to get to 2nd, if Gonzalez had used HUDSON to bunt him over, the next abat was a long FLY BALL…! TIE GAME…!!! I like our chances at that point!

count_schemula

June 30th, 2012
6:03 am

David S.

June 30th, 2012
6:54 am

The PITCHING continues to suck! Will not win big games with this rotation… Hanson and Hudson are worth keeping… all others including the pitching coach must go today…. Just go away….

Backdoor Slider

June 30th, 2012
7:25 am

SURELY NOW IS THE TIME

Surely the time has more than passed not to chalk up the hiring of Fredi Gonzalez to manage the Braves as a fatally flawed decision.

Surely now is the time for a Fredi salary dump.

Surely now is the time for Liberty Media to somehow find enough financial flexibility to hire another manager, one that can actually manage.

Surely now is the time to reassign Fredi to a minor league 3rd base coaching position, which would most certainly better fit him.

Surely now is the time to remove Fredi from “office”!

Surely John and Frank, NOW IS THE TIME!

MikeY

June 30th, 2012
7:27 am

Poor Defense + Poor Management Strategy = Braves Loss.

Honestly, Jack Wilson has no business being on a MLB roster. He needs to go the way of Livan Hernandez. Hinske seems to have lost his ability to hit (approaching the Mendoza line overall and just .232 vs righties).

Come on Fredi, bunt Freeman over! After the Medlen fiasco, you have to be on this ice, along w/ Wren.

MikeY

June 30th, 2012
7:28 am

Jimmy Baron

June 30th, 2012
7:52 am

4 pm game today? Should be 106˚… who’s gonna be there? LOL Thanks a lot FOX for blacking out the evening time slot.

mrdan

June 30th, 2012
7:57 am

You win a few, you lose a few. That’s mediocrity. For those of you who went to public school, that means middle of the road; not good and not bad. Synonymous with ‘everyday’, ‘undistinguished’, ‘commonplace’, ‘pedestrian’ (Atlanta fans), ‘run-of-the-mill’.
There you have it.

Big Green Tribe

June 30th, 2012
8:04 am

Lost in everything is another horrible night by McCann.

0-4, 2 strikeouts…average down to .230. I’m afraid McCann is not the hitter of previous seasons.
Looks lost.

He looks stressed at the plate (and also behind the plate) and appears slower than ever before.

Mark

June 30th, 2012
8:08 am

Three options to help our team:

1 – Send Freddi and Uggla back to Miami.

Since they wouldn’t take them back I’ll go to option 2

2 – Send them anywhere that’ll take them.

Since nobody will take them I’ll go to option 3

3 – Tell them to just go away

Can Of Corn

June 30th, 2012
8:17 am

THE FREDI PYRAMID GAME SHOW

Fredi, don’t you think that it’s about time you admitted you don’t know what the heck you’re doing — and use your lifelines?

There’s a little bit more to managing baseball Fredi, than just running your pitchers out there. Or rolling the dice on another lineup change or managerial decision. Or tipping your hat.

Phone an educated baseball friend.

Ask the audience of fans.

Or eliminate the solution you normally would choose instantly as a wrong solution.

Then hope and pray that you don’t make another wrong decision before collecting your next paycheck.

Or … you might then be out of THE SHOW.

Yes, off THE FREDI PYRAMID GAME SHOW!

Dan

June 30th, 2012
8:21 am

Would it kill the Braves to ever show a replay of an important play on their giant TV screen in center field?

GRAPHITE

June 30th, 2012
8:22 am

All you geniouses still don’t want yo bunt?

Nurse Ratched [aka Randal Patrick McMurphy]

June 30th, 2012
8:29 am

Owned… yet AGAIN by the Expos/Nationals; they’re in the Braves heads – always have been. It’s purely a mental thing at this stage. With Havana Fats at the helm, don’t expect much… some things just NEVER change…

MikeY

June 30th, 2012
8:45 am

McCann…I think he still has vision problems. Lots of squinting/eye opening / etc.

Neeeds a visit to Dr. Kozarsky…

maddawg

June 30th, 2012
8:51 am

At home you always play to tie. Bunt the runner over…. This is not the first time to fail to do so and as long as FREDI is manager will not be the last time.

Taylor Wooten

June 30th, 2012
8:54 am

Why in the world is this Jack Wilson guy still around? Is there not a better utility player in the entire Braves system…they could use?

wliiy g hate liberty media

June 30th, 2012
9:04 am

This team will get swept by nats after this weekend its over i guarantee this team will be dismantled brcsaause the owners sux move the team to v
egas name them the losing braves and phil jackson csn do better than freddie

Winchester

June 30th, 2012
9:05 am

The same sorry pitchers (Degado & Durbin) and the same sorry results. Better keep running them out there, Fredi.

Everybody ready for another whipping by the team that improved their club over the winter?

wliiy g hate liberty media

June 30th, 2012
9:10 am

Sendthem all to the minors and bring up triple aaa team i bet they will do better than these clowns chipper needs to give his salary to charity put prado put chipper on brnch and find a dsmn left fielder yrsde mcann for a starter get king felix from seattle

wliiy g hate liberty media

June 30th, 2012
9:18 am

Trade delgado and minor to phillies and get the guy from huston you didnt get last year fire frank wren getbilly bean from oakland he has common sense and fire greddy i told all the idiots thst ned yost wad better look at kc now grenkie come to atlantalesve milwsukrr

Kyle

June 30th, 2012
9:23 am

The Braves can beat some average teams that will be no where to be found in October but when they come up against the big boys, as they have shown unless it is a strike shortened season, they are out of their league to say the least.

wliiy g hate liberty media

June 30th, 2012
9:23 am

This team will be be swept in philly next weekend the braves areonly a dub 500 team john scherholtz needs to be fired for hiring frank wren the kenchen kawKami 30 million wow frank who could we get in the past with that money ftank and freddie RESIGN today

MD Braves fan

June 30th, 2012
9:25 am

That virus Cox will protect Fredi and the Braves are going nowhere. Don’t go to games. Simple as that. Force change.

wliiy g hate liberty media

June 30th, 2012
9:27 am

Chipper take yr millions and go home pr
ado is z better 3rd baseman than you now at 40 you have been great. but now its time.

wliiy g hate liberty media

June 30th, 2012
9:30 am

chipper youve always been a winner this team is awful go home be with yr kids come back next year and be the braves manager

wliiy g hate liberty media

June 30th, 2012
9:31 am

Uggla today you will strike out 4 times agajnst strausberg

wliiy g hate liberty media

June 30th, 2012
9:34 am

I hope liberty media board members die in a plane crash so mark cuban or arthur blank will buy the braves seriously

bravesfan

June 30th, 2012
9:41 am

I am pulling for them for sure, but it’s obvious to me that Washington has passed Atlanta. The Nats have much better pitching and a certain intangible going for them. Atlanta for several years has been content with second place, in my opinion, and now have that personality. The Braves are another losing streak away from losing wild card contention, too. Another starter will not fix what ails this team. I’d aggressively sell at the deadline. Hudson would fetch a kings ransom. I’d also move Uggla and perhaps BMAC. Those guys should land a bevy of legitimate prospects. I don’t know what about the numbers but it’d be nice to keep Bourne, if possible. Give the team to Heyward, Freeman, Simmons, Prado, Kimbrel, Hanson and build around them.

drew

June 30th, 2012
10:07 am

At the same level???
You gotta be kidding me.
Nationals will win the NL East – no doubt about it. And they should, they are the BEST team in the division.

john

June 30th, 2012
10:09 am

-Braves pitching(?) gave up 15 hits
-Why was Brian catching – Freddi notice that other pitcher was leftie?
-No BASEBALL in 9th- let Hudson bunt Freddy to 3rd-he scores on first fly to OF-Tie Game
-Ton of Talent on Braves Roster but hard to see with these kinds of results
-Liberty sell ASAP. while Braves still sort of contending-even “loud mouth” Turner OK now
-Disposal/Trade/Attitude List- Freddi, Delgaudo, Minor, Hinske,Uggla,Francisco, Venters,Wilson,Liberty Media

Done

June 30th, 2012
10:18 am

can you say sweep!!!

Larry

June 30th, 2012
10:27 am

I told you before his was hired, when he was hired, and many times since he was hired…Fredi the Fruit Cake is not major league manager material.

To those whom disagreed…do you still?

LakeDawg

June 30th, 2012
10:30 am

The Braves are talented, but are a mentally weak team. They rarely win these types of games or beat the teams they need to beat. They play nine and wait and see what happens. They never grab a game by the throat. They don’t seem to ever rise to the occasion when a big hit is needed. Instead they take their whacks and hope for the best. Then they tip their caps to the winners. As an earlier poster said, they need to take Prado’s pride and bottle it to give to the rest of the team.

Zane Smith's Teeth

June 30th, 2012
10:50 am

Has anyone else noticed that McCann looks a lot heavier than last year? He started to drop weight at one point in the last two seasons and now it looks like he’s gained it all back plus some. This isn’t muscle either…fat. I’ve seen at least three times so far this season that his “girth” has cost Atlanta runs…failing to block a pitch, missing a tag at home, etc.. because he cannot react quick enough.

Mark

June 30th, 2012
10:53 am

Keep position players Simmons, Freeman, Prado, Heyward and Bourn.

Keep pitchers Huddy, Kimbrel.

Take offers on everyone else. If its good offers take it!

Jaded Braves Fan

June 30th, 2012
11:00 am

Some of Fredi’s decisions seem completely arbitrary and haphazard. If you want to give Uggla a day off, do it in the last game of the Diamondbacks series. Did he not know the Nationals were coming into town until he woke up yesterday? You’re going to go to war in a series like this with Jack Wilson at second base? Really? This guy seems to fly by the seat of his pants rather than having any real plan of action.

And not bunting last night is just completely mindboggling.

Mark

June 30th, 2012
11:00 am

I think the Braves pitchers need to be made to watch tape of Smoltz, Glavine, Maddux, Avery so they can see what it looks like to see a pitcher getting after hitters and competing hard. Not talking about obvious talent here but competing. Other than Huddy, these starters don’t get that part of the position.

Carl Farvman

June 30th, 2012
11:04 am

“chipper youve always been a winner this team is awful go home be with yr kids come back next year and be the braves manager”

Why do people say this all the time? Have you listened to a Larry interview. It is painful to suffer through. HOF playing credentials doesn’t always translate to effective leadership. Man……bring Larussa out of retirement. He can take nothing and create a winner.

Ifr4

June 30th, 2012
11:04 am

Limited bench? That situation in the 9th screamed for Hinske to be pulled back for a starting pitcher. I guess Fredi thought he was still playing with AL rules. I couldn’t believe it when Hinske batted instead of Huddy, Hanson, or J.J.

Carl Farvman

June 30th, 2012
11:08 am

“I think the Braves pitchers need to be made to watch tape of Smoltz, Glavine, Maddux, Avery so they can see what it looks like to see a pitcher getting after hitters and competing hard. Not talking about obvious talent here but competing. Other than Huddy, these starters don’t get that part of the position.”

Nice ideas in theory. But a lot of what those guys brought to the diamond is just plain old HOF talent. You don’t watch a tape of HOF guys ‘competing’ and then translate that to your own HOF performance. Oftentimes you either have it or don’t have it. Frankly, most players in professional sports don’t have HOF potential. It is what it is.

Mark

June 30th, 2012
11:12 am

Fredi had an awful night last night for sure.

Should have run for Chipper in the 8th. Anyone that can run the bases and get secondary leads would have been on 2nd when one ball bounced away from the catcher whereas Chipper was walking back to 1st.

Then he should have run for Freemman in the ninth and then he probably wouldn’t have been scared to bunt if he had wanted to and if we had gotten a hit we could have scored but with Freeman out there it would have been tough on him to score on a sharply hit ball.

To me though that one is on Hinski more than Freddi. A professional hitter should be able to get the ball on the ground to the right side especially off a changeup guy. Then you have 3 hacks at scoring him on a hit. I understand the folks wanting a bunt though and it would have been ok to me, I just think a pro hitter should be able to get that done.

No. 1 Braves Fan

June 30th, 2012
11:12 am

Larry:Yes I totally disagree with most anything you post. You are one of the worst anti-Brave bashers. Maybe I missed it, but have you posted anything positive about the Braves?

Mark

June 30th, 2012
11:18 am

Hey Carl

I understand that and thats why I mentioned that I wasn’t referring to their obvious talent but the entire organization just seemed to get after it more back in the day and I think when the others see that kind of determination others will follow. Yoiur point is well taken thougha and correct. But again, talent aside, I think the only ones we have now that could fit in with those guys are Huddy and Kimbrel.

64 year Braves fan

June 30th, 2012
11:22 am

It’s been said many times but Fredi G. has cost the Braves at least 5 wins this year. He must be fired.
Farm system is bare. No pitchers or hitters at double or triple A. Future looks bad.

bvillebaron

June 30th, 2012
11:40 am

It wasn’t Gonzalez or the Morse homer in the 8th that doomed this team, it was the 3 errors which led to 3 unearned runs that killed them. I am a glass half full guy, but it’s pathetic when you have a guy, Wilson, who is on the team solely because of this supposed defensive prowess boot the 3rd out in what should have been a 1, 2, 3 innings. This is especailly problematic for a young pitcher, Delgado, who is struggling to find his way in the bigs. Look at it any way you want, but 1-5 against the Nationals simply ain’t going to get it done.

bvillebaron

June 30th, 2012
11:41 am

Re my earlier post, I meant 2 unearned runs which put them in in 3-0 hole.

Ed

June 30th, 2012
11:52 am

I agree with most everything said on this blog. But, I do not understand the constant calling for the heads of Wilson and Diaz. Those two were involved in the first two runs scored in the game and they both have been decent in what they have been asked to do. Put the blame where it really belongs; on the high priced players who are expected to perform and do not. McCann, Uggla,

jim

June 30th, 2012
12:13 pm

Fredi’s the man. Just a couple went the wrong way. Duh

Bro

June 30th, 2012
12:42 pm

Seems a real shame to make any comment at all, as the only people who read them are us idiots who post them. But here it comes any how. Kind of like a waist high fastball down the middle. IT WAS A TERRIBLE PITCH AND ANY PITCHE, ESPECIALLY THE ONE WHO THREW IT, WHO SAYS IT WAS NOTE A BAD PITCH IT JUST STUPID. WHY THROW A FASTBALL TO A FIRST PITCH FASTBALL HITTER. DOES ANYONE ON THE BRAVES READ THE SCOUTTING REPORT? WAKE UP PEOPLE, IT IS NOT ALWAYS A GOOD THING TO THROW A FIRST PITCH STRIKE. STUPID STUPID STUPID.

1991 braves

June 30th, 2012
12:45 pm

Finally braves fans are seeing the work of the brilliant mastermind known as Frank Wren. This train wreck was designed by him and no one else. From the mindless mental midget manager that wouldn’t know how to move a runner over if his fat ass depended on it, to the 2 worst veteran players in the major leagues in Wilson(Big error) to Hinske(Terrible pinch hitter, hell terrible hitter period), to the AAA pitcher that started the game(Delgado), to the AAA pitcher that will start today(Minor), to a washed up reliever with an E.R.A. of over 4.00 in Durbin. All of these weaknesses are the direct result of the most incompetent G.M. in baseball. So it doesn’t do any good to criticize terrible managers and terrible players that lack talent. It was Wren that hired the manager, and it was Wren that put this pitiful team together. He put together the worst bench in baseball, and he signed a couple of washed up relievers in Hernandez&Durbin. So until Wren is gone, the braves will never be a contender again. It is sad to be a braves fan and sit and watch the Nationals pass the braves as it relates to management and talent. The Nationals are beating the braves at their own game, great pitching and great talent through their farm system. Something the braves use to do when they had a knowledgeable G.M. Enjoy watching the Nats in the playoffs braves fans.

Whiskey River

June 30th, 2012
12:57 pm

@1991 braves WOW Well said. Completely agree.

Carl Farvman

June 30th, 2012
1:09 pm

Hey Carl

I understand that and thats why I mentioned that I wasn’t referring to their obvious talent but the entire organization just seemed to get after it more back in the day and I think when the others see that kind of determination others will follow. Yoiur point is well taken thougha and correct. But again, talent aside, I think the only ones we have now that could fit in with those guys are Huddy and Kimbrel.

Mark…yeah I know what you’re saying. But most of these guys have been playing a high level of baseball for many years..even before they started getting paid. If they don’t know how to be focused and intense with an ability to identify weaknesses and attack them relentlessy by this stage, well, they’re probably always going to be just one of the guys on a roster. Molina’s a good example: always known as great defensively, team leader [even when Pujols thought he was], and a master at managing the pitching staff..but he hated being considered just a defensive catcher, like most of them. Worked relentlessly on offensive weaknesses and now is one of the best offensive catchers in MLB, along with the top defensive catcher. Capable players do everything possible to be their best. Others settle for mediocrity and the occassional hot streak. The Braves are chocked full of the former.

DC Native

June 30th, 2012
2:21 pm

The Nats are in the Braves “head” the Braves have the position talent but the pitching is another subject; as a transplanted washingtonian i’m hoping we can win the NL East and get to the playoffs.One more thing, Freeman leads off with a double and nobody bunts him over? Thank you Fredi Gonzalez.

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