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Efrim
June 29th, 2012
9:59 am
Trade Julio Teheran for Zack Greinke. Julio stinks and isn’t a top prospect any longer. Trade him now before his value gets even worse.
First off, he’s 21 years old and there is nothing wrong with the kid having some struggles at that age in Triple-A. Second, why would you trade him coming off a poor month? You’re not maximizing his value that way. But again, Wren isn’t trading him for 2 months of Zack Greinke. No chance.
TheOnlyBravesFan
June 29th, 2012
10:00 am
It still is amazing to me that the team even considering trading Prado last off-season. Shouldn’t have even be mentioned. Just like it shouldn’t be mentioned trading Kimbrel or Heyward.
I don’t think the Braves tried to trade him. I think other teams wanted him in addition to JJ, kinda as an insurance policy if JJ didn’t rebound.
Bat Masterson
June 29th, 2012
10:02 am
“But there is no excuse for a 19 year having a gun”
Really? I haven’t read any of this stuff so what are we talking about here? An illegal handgun?
Efrim
June 29th, 2012
10:06 am
I hope we sign him to something in the 4 years, 34-35 million range. His last year of arb eligibility is in 2013 and he’ll probably get something like 7.5 million if he keeps this up. A 3 year, 27 million dollar extension would work well. That would keep him in Atlanta through his age 32 year old season.
DiamondbackMac
June 29th, 2012
10:09 am
Bat
http://blogs.ajc.com/uga-sports-blog/2012/06/29/georgia-tailback-isaiah-crowell-jailed-on-weapons-charges/
TheOnlyBravesFan
June 29th, 2012
10:09 am
Lew: I’d go 5 years with Prado. He’s that worth it.
jeffrey d
June 29th, 2012
10:14 am
I knew a kid last year who was great…looked like he had really turned his life around. Then at 18, a week before graduation, he made a really, really stupid decision (also involving a gun…no one was hurt). I’m not saying they shouldn’t pay for their crimes, I just think it’s important to remember that they weren’t raised like most middle-upper call Americans. They grew up differently and have different mindsets, habbits, etc. It’s the norm for them.
DAP
June 29th, 2012
10:14 am
the good news is that jurrjens pitched ok.
Efrim
June 29th, 2012
10:15 am
I’d go 5 years with Prado. He’s that worth it.
Five years, on top of his last of arbitration? I’d pass on a contract that long for him.
Efrim
June 29th, 2012
10:16 am
the good news is that jurrjens pitched ok.
Hope he can keep it up, because as I think Fredi said, if he can give us decent outings, it will lessen the urge to trade for a starter as we get closer to the deadline.
Lew
June 29th, 2012
10:19 am
I’d go four years and buy out his last arb year and three of Free Agency – plenty of time to see if another extension is merited and waht the cost might be.
TheOnlyBravesFan
June 29th, 2012
10:19 am
Ef: No, I say a 5 yr deal this year in place of his arb… 5 years, 35-45 mil.
I hope JJ is good. Then the only guy to upgrade on is Minor, and it isn’t too hard to do that!
Bat Masterson
June 29th, 2012
10:23 am
Thanks, DbMac.
Ease
June 29th, 2012
10:23 am
jeffrey, did you ever see Boyz In The Hood? I liken your comments to what that movie was really about.
Great movie.
And I understand your view point and respect it. Growing up in N. Fulton really wasn’t that tough.
MFin04
June 29th, 2012
10:23 am
“I don’t think the Braves tried to trade him.”
Where is this false sense of remembering coming from? The Braves and their front office had him on the trading block, whether or not they were ACTUALLY going to trade him is kinda irrelevant, because both he and the organization didn’t know if he would be back as a Brave.
That is “trying to trade him” if you ask me.
TheOnlyBravesFan
June 29th, 2012
10:24 am
And I understand your view point and respect it. Growing up in N. Fulton really wasn’t that tough.
Neither is growing up in Northern Cobb…. but I do understand your point.
jeffrey d
June 29th, 2012
10:25 am
No, but I’ve heard “Boyz in the Hood” and the white preppy remix
Lew
June 29th, 2012
10:28 am
MFin04 – Right. KInd of like putting the entire team on waivers at the deadline, isn’t it?
Ease
June 29th, 2012
10:28 am
OK, I am Done With The Somber Stuff!
Huge, and I Mean Monumental Huge Statement Series Tonight at The Ted.
Rand El Del “Gotta’ Go Needs To Show His Marbles Tonight Or It might Be His Last. Those Pesky Gnats Are Four Realz. I Have A Bad Feeling In My Gut About Now.
Nothing Less Than A Broom Sweep Will Satisfy Me.
MFin04
June 29th, 2012
10:28 am
“was not a blown save, not a save situation”
I’m not sure how last night wasn’t a blown save. If you can blow a save when it isn’t the 9th inning, why can’t you blow a save when it isn’t a save situation?
jeffrey d
June 29th, 2012
10:28 am
Well I grew up in middle class suburbs in Gwinnett….work in an area of poverty now, though.
Tomahawkin
June 29th, 2012
10:29 am
Boyz N The Hood
Menace II Society
Juice
Higher Learning
All great flicks among others I can’t think to name…
jeffrey d
June 29th, 2012
10:29 am
Nice, Ease
jeffrey d
June 29th, 2012
10:35 am
Friday?
DiamondbackMac
June 29th, 2012
10:36 am
Bat
You’re welcome.
jeffrey d
June 29th, 2012
10:37 am
I have the most perfect sports vent today. If they don’t have a Friday vent (or worse, if they don’t post mine) I’m going to go all George on the Vent Guy
Lew
June 29th, 2012
10:38 am
A tie game is not a save situation and if you can’tt GET a save, you can’t blow it, either. Dude got a loss.
Bat Masterson
June 29th, 2012
10:39 am
jeffrey_
Post it here, I don’t read the vents.
Murph
June 29th, 2012
10:39 am
Bryce… Bryce… over here… David O’Brien, Atlanta Journal Constitution… Bryce, it’s very very hot here in Atlanta. What will you be doing to cool off after the game? I’ve heard that you don’t know how to swim, so I assume you won’t be in the hotel pool.
That’s a drown question, bro.
MFin04
June 29th, 2012
10:41 am
“A tie game is not a save situation and if you can’tt GET a save, you can’t blow it, either. Dude got a loss.”
I know that, but the blown save rule is different than the save rule. That is the problem I have. You can get a blown save when you can’t actually get a save.
TheOnlyBravesFan
June 29th, 2012
10:42 am
good one Murph… can’t believe I didn’t think of that. The fems @ the pool messed me up yesterday…
jeffrey d
June 29th, 2012
10:42 am
Congratulations to the University of Kentucky: 2 players and 3 eyebrows drafted in the first 2 overall picks of the NBA Draft.
Lew
June 29th, 2012
10:42 am
Oh well.
Tomahawkin
June 29th, 2012
10:43 am
I dunno why but they were calling it a Blown Save on Sports Radio This Morning…So MFin04 isn’t the only one tripping
Lew
June 29th, 2012
10:43 am
Maybe they should have a Blown Hold designation -
TheOnlyBravesFan
June 29th, 2012
10:44 am
You can get a blown save when you can’t actually get a save.
How? I’m not aware of that….
jeffrey d
June 29th, 2012
10:45 am
They should have a blown RBI stat.
David O'Brien
June 29th, 2012
10:45 am
the lovely Elizabeth Cook and her ode to the El Camino and a certain driver or said vehicle
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S5yt0gXLkh0&feature=related
Murph
June 29th, 2012
10:46 am
You can get a blown save when you can’t actually get a save.
Can you strike out when not actually up to bat? Can you get an outfield assist when sitting on the bench?
These are the questions that will haunt future generations of baseball fans.
jeffrey d
June 29th, 2012
10:46 am
How? I’m not aware of that….
You blow a 3 run lead when it’s not the 9th, right? Or maybe if you blow any lead?
DAP
June 29th, 2012
10:46 am
MFin04 I’m not sure how last night wasn’t a blown save. If you can blow a save when it isn’t the 9th inning, why can’t you blow a save when it isn’t a save situation?
you must blow a lead to blow a save. its just an L.
as far as the braves “trying” to trade prado, no one has enough info to say that for sure. the rumors could have all been from other teams calling wren.
Ease
June 29th, 2012
10:46 am
Silly guys. You only bring in your closer to get saves, so if he doesn’t get it, then he blew it. Thus a blown save.
Simple logic.
Bat Masterson
June 29th, 2012
10:47 am
I just think it’s important to remember that they weren’t raised like most middle-upper call Americans. They grew up differently and have different mindsets, habbits, etc. It’s the norm for them.
I remember one day, when I was in high school, a guy got ticked off about something so he pulled a shotgun out and held the buses in front of the school hostage for a while. They talked him into giving up the gun eventually, I think it made the local news. I don’t remember him being in all that much trouble.
jeffrey d
June 29th, 2012
10:48 am
Maddux got strikeouts while on the bench
Ease
June 29th, 2012
10:48 am
Can you strike out when not actually up to bat? Can you get an outfield assist when sitting on the bench?
Apparently you can win a gold glove as a DH…so where does that fit in?
Frankie Wren
June 29th, 2012
10:49 am
In playoff hunt and better yet, have a month to evaluate your starting pitching. Minor, Delgado and JJ have 4 weeks to prove themselves. Delgado is the most stable of the 3 here and is not going anywhere. How the other two perform, we’ll dictate how aggressive they are getting a pitcher at the deadline. Thinking still they try to acquire somebody not named Greinke.
DAP
June 29th, 2012
10:49 am
MFin04 You can get a blown save when you can’t actually get a save.
no you cant. anytime a pitcher gets a blown save, they did it in a situation where they CAN earn a save.
Ease
June 29th, 2012
10:49 am
Didn’t Gattis hit like five home runs while in a cast and on the DL?
Thought I read that somewhere.
TheOnlyBravesFan
June 29th, 2012
10:53 am
no you cant. anytime a pitcher gets a blown save, they did it in a situation where they CAN earn a save.
That’s what I thought.
Lew
June 29th, 2012
10:53 am
DAP – What he’s talking about is a pitcher coming in in the sixth or seventh, blowing a lead, gets a blown save despite the fact that at that point he would have to pitch three innings for a save. Yes, the pitcher COULD go the three (or more) and earn the save, but it’s unlikely the way the pen is used these days.
Lew
June 29th, 2012
10:54 am
Point is – as someone said earlier – if a relief pitcher comes in at any point and loses the lead, they are charged with a blown save.
TheOnlyBravesFan
June 29th, 2012
10:55 am
Does anyone have the Insider Article on 5 busiest GMs this July? Wondering if FW is on it…
Frankie Wren
June 29th, 2012
10:55 am
Anyway counting the Phillies out of the WC right now are crazy. They are reeling but not as bad as their record is. If they somehow stay afloat the next couple of weeks, they get Howard back after the break. Pence will become a more dangerous hitter with the expectations as not being the main cog lifted, and Utley will help out as well. Doc gets back and the 20M lefthander can turn his season around. They are not done yet folks. Hopefully they continue to spiral the next couple of weeks.
TheOnlyBravesFan
June 29th, 2012
10:56 am
ah ok thanks Lew…. learned something new today, I always thought you just got a loss in those situations.
DAP
June 29th, 2012
10:58 am
lew What he’s talking about is a pitcher coming in in the sixth or seventh, blowing a lead, gets a blown save despite the fact that at that point he would have to pitch three innings for a save. Yes, the pitcher COULD go the three (or more) and earn the save, but it’s unlikely the way the pen is used these days.
yeah i know thats what he is talking about. thats why he is wrong. if you come in the game with the lead and lose it, you blow a save, period. the rule book doesnt care how managers use their players.
Lew
June 29th, 2012
10:59 am
Only Braves – Actually, they could get a loss AND a blown save.
Bat Masterson
June 29th, 2012
11:00 am
Pretty good one, jeffery
TheOnlyBravesFan
June 29th, 2012
11:00 am
Yes, Lew I know that…. I thought before all they got was a loss, and no blown save.
MFin04
June 29th, 2012
11:01 am
You can blow a save in the 7th, 8th innings etc can you not? And you can’t really earn a save in that situation….
Murph
June 29th, 2012
11:02 am
Saves:
Rule 10.20 in the Official Rule Book states:
Credit a pitcher with a save when he meets all three of the following conditions:
(1) He is the finishing pitcher in a game won by his club; and
(2) He is not the winning pitcher; and
(3) He qualifies under one of the following conditions:
- (a) He enters the game with a lead of no more than three runs and pitches for at least one inning; or
- (b) He enters the game, regardless of the count, with the potential tying run either on base, or at bat, or on deck (that is, the potential tying run is either already on base or is one of the first two batsmen he faces; or
- (c) He pitches effectively for at least three innings. No more than one save may be credited in each game.
jeffrey d
June 29th, 2012
11:02 am
Didn’t Gattis hit like five home runs while in a cast and on the DL?
I read he once impatiently homered from the on deck circle.
MFin04
June 29th, 2012
11:03 am
Nope, you get a blown save. Come on people, learn your baseball rules. Just saying if you can blow a save earlier than the 9th, you should be able to get a blown save in a tie game in the 9th. It is stupid either way.
DAP
June 29th, 2012
11:04 am
MFin04 You can blow a save in the 7th, 8th innings etc can you not? And you can’t really earn a save in that situation….
yes, you can. by finishing the game. example, if venters comes in in the 8th with a 1 run lead and gets three outs, he is in line for the save. he would earn it by coming back out and pitching the 9th. when venters comes in in the 8th inning up by one run, it IS a save situation. thus, if he gives up lead lead, he blew the save.
jeffrey d
June 29th, 2012
11:06 am
Apparently you can win a gold glove as a DH…so where does that fit in?
No errors. Duh.
kenhotlanta
June 29th, 2012
11:06 am
jeffrey d: “Crowell’s 19 and wasn’t raised like you or me. He’s a good kid and hopefully he’ll grow up and quit making dumb decisions.”.
I understand your point about how he and many others grew up in a different environment, but because of his athletic skills, he is getting a free education and the opportunity to make a fortune in the pros. All he has to do is follow the rules for 4 years…is that too much of a sacrifice considering the payoff?
And carrying a gun with an altered serial number is stupid and against the law, so why would you risk your whole future for such a dumb decision?
As a Georgia fan, it is very hard to understand why these kids can’t follow the rules for the short time they are in college, regardless of their upbringing. There should be advisers and counselors in place to show these guys how to survive the system and realize what the payoff can be.
But this stuff keeps happening over and over and not just at UGA. It saddens me that our players are called thugs, but that is what they are when they continue to live their lifestyle while in college.
MFin04
June 29th, 2012
11:07 am
“by finishing the game”
Ok, so what you are saying is that there STILL is no way Venters can get a save in that situation?
jeffrey d
June 29th, 2012
11:08 am
All he has to do is follow the rules for 4 years…is that too much of a sacrifice considering the payoff?
No. But keep in mind a lot of kids are nearsighted….they don’t see (or care) how their decisions today can lead them down a path of destruction.
Bayou Brave
June 29th, 2012
11:08 am
Surprising Stat (at least to me):
The Braves have committed 41 errors in 75 games… 3rd fewest in the NL, behind only Cincinnati (40) and Arizona (35). Six NL teams have 54 or more errors.
Braves are tied for the 6th fewest in the MLB.
DAP
June 29th, 2012
11:10 am
MFin04 Just saying if you can blow a save earlier than the 9th, you should be able to get a blown save in a tie game in the 9th
tie game isnt a save situation.
Murph
June 29th, 2012
11:10 am
Just saying if you can blow a save earlier than the 9th, you should be able to get a blown save in a tie game in the 9th
You’re not in a position to “save” if the game is tied, you’re in a position to “preserve”… so, if anything, there needs to be a new stat created for Blown Preserves.
Ease
June 29th, 2012
11:11 am
there STILL is no way Venters can get a save in that situation?
Nope. Venters is not the closer.
Bayou Brave
June 29th, 2012
11:11 am
Braves only have 31 quality starts (QS), 2nd worst in the NL. The Nationals, Mets, and Marlins are tied for 1st with 50 apiece.
MFin04
June 29th, 2012
11:12 am
“tie game isnt a save situation.”
Neither is the 7th or 8th inning.
cricket
June 29th, 2012
11:12 am
Maybe they should have a Blown Hold designation
venters votes NO on this one this year
DAP
June 29th, 2012
11:12 am
MFin04 Ok, so what you are saying is that there STILL is no way Venters can get a save in that situation?
are you serious?
Ease
June 29th, 2012
11:12 am
Blown Preserves.
Well then, can you please pass the jelly?
TennesseePaul
June 29th, 2012
11:12 am
Freeman looks like he’s heating back up…
Freeman over his last….
__________AVG__OBP__SLG__OPS
15 games .304 .339 .411 .750
11 games .302 .348 .442 .790
7 games_ .357 .400 .536 .936
Since returning from his thumb injury
_AVG__OBP__SLG__OPS
.323 .382 .484 .866
jeffrey d
June 29th, 2012
11:14 am
Thanks TP…I didn’t realize Freddie was hitting over .300 over the past 2 weeks +
DAP
June 29th, 2012
11:15 am
Mfin04 “tie game isnt a save situation.”
Neither is the 7th or 8th inning.
you have to be being purposley dense. did you read the rules murph posted? the 7th and 8th certainly are save situations.
Mixxo
June 29th, 2012
11:15 am
‘Hold’ this.
MFin04
June 29th, 2012
11:15 am
DAP – Are you serious? So basically every reliever but closers has like a 10% or less save success percentage?
cricket
June 29th, 2012
11:16 am
The Braves have committed 41 errors in 75 games… 3rd fewest in the NL
usually most errors are committed in infield and according to blog-experts, we have statues in infield except Simmons. i guess statues don’t get to tough chances, keeping the errors down..
Bayou Brave
June 29th, 2012
11:16 am
Brian in SC,
What’s the Braves’ pitchers BABIP before and after Simmons?
Murph
June 29th, 2012
11:17 am
This is the lineup I’d go with for the Nats series…
1. Bourn (CF)
2. Prado (LF)
3. Heyward (RF)
4. Chipper (3B)
5. Freeman (1B)
6. Uggla (2B)
7. McCann (C)
8. Simmons (SS)
Now that Heyward’s hitting streak is over it’s ok to move him out of the 2 hole… doesn’t really matter, I guess, but the top 5 hitters should be stacked at the top with Simmons hitting 8th, just in case there’s some kind of miracle and either BMac or Uggla manage to get on base.
MFin04
June 29th, 2012
11:18 am
“you have to be being purposley dense. did you read the rules murph posted? the 7th and 8th certainly are save situations.”
You have to be as well, since you clearly aren’t reading any others posts. How many saves does Venters have? How many blown saves? Get back to me on that one.
Lew
June 29th, 2012
11:18 am
Yep, total shock that a 19 year old has poor impulse control.
CB
June 29th, 2012
11:19 am
This conversation is funny, glad I don’t care who is right. We just take our self way too serious around here.
Murph
June 29th, 2012
11:20 am
MFin, did you know that if JJ had gotten a hit in his last AB he would have qualified for a save?
i swear, they need to do a better job of explaining the rules and these weird one-off things. A pitcher getting a hit shouldn’t matter in pitching statistics.
jeffrey d
June 29th, 2012
11:20 am
I like it, Murph. I’d switch Chipper and Heyward, but what do I know?
DAP
June 29th, 2012
11:20 am
MFin04, if you dont like the rule, thats cool. but your reasoning for it tells me you even really understand the rules.
Murph
June 29th, 2012
11:21 am
How many saves does Venters have?
Tell me, MFin, how many games has Venters finished for Atlanta?
Go back and read the rules I posted again… if you don’t finish the game, you don’t get the save. Pretty simple.
MFin04
June 29th, 2012
11:22 am
The leaders in blown saves aren’t even closers. EOF is one of the league leaders in blown saves, yet has zero saves. Something is clearly wrong with that stat. I’d much rather Kimbrel get a blown save in a non-save situation in the 9th, then EOF get one in a game where he will NEVER get a save.
MFin04
June 29th, 2012
11:24 am
“Go back and read the rules I posted again… if you don’t finish the game, you don’t get the save. Pretty simple.”
So if you don’t finish the game, you shouldn’t get a blown save either? I mean it is stupid to charge anyone who doesn’t pitch in the 9th, or last inning, with a blown save, when they were never in to close the game.
Murph
June 29th, 2012
11:25 am
I’m confused… MFin, are you arguing about what the rule IS or what it SHOULD BE?
If you’re arguing about what it is, you’re flat out wrong on most of your points. If you’re arguing for change, then sure, yeah, ok.
Efrim
June 29th, 2012
11:25 am
Thanks TP…I didn’t realize Freddie was hitting over .300 over the past 2 weeks +
Nor did I. 34 very good plate appearances. He needs to keep it up with Uggs and Mac slumping.
MFin04
June 29th, 2012
11:26 am
“I didn’t realize Freddie was hitting over .300 over the past 2 weeks +”
What is his on base, .305?
(Rob from SC)
June 29th, 2012
11:26 am
Who was arrested for a handgun?
If we get a window to sign Greinke, then is he worth Teheran?
(Rob from SC)
June 29th, 2012
11:28 am
Heyward is fine, he was extremely over aggresive last night.
MFin04
June 29th, 2012
11:30 am
“If you’re arguing about what it is, you’re flat out wrong on most of your points.”
Nope, I’ve been right in most of them. Guys are getting blown saves in situations where they couldn’t get a save. That is a fact. EOF is 0 for 3 in save situations, yet has had 0 save opportunities. That to me is stupid.
Efrim
June 29th, 2012
11:30 am
If we get a window to sign Greinke, then is he worth Teheran?
No. And why would you want a window to sign a starting pitcher for 20 million a year?