Willingham isn’t an option unless we are willing to trade for him. And I still don’t see all that depth at pitching equating into qaulity rotation, look at all the problems we have now. And next year isn’t any different with the possibility that JJ won’t be offered arb, Beachy possibly not making it back at all next year, Hudson another year older and I doubt all of the physical issues gone, Hanson is what he is nothing more than a 2 or 3 starter and then you lump all of these together Delgado, Minor, Teheran and Medlen to which none of them have shown they are ready to lead a club. I just don’t see all of this quality everyone has faith in for next season, I see the quantity by not quality.
Well said AT and I agree with this statement 100%. I just hope Wren sees the rotation as we do because this team really needs an ace this year and in the future. Greinke would be a really good addition for this team.
I can repeat to myself as many times as I like that “2 or 3, just doesn’t make that much difference”, and this top of the order still irks me. I can’t seem to help it, LOL.
some maroons here want DOB to follow the lead of so-called tough big city journalists and criticize players and coaches but personally i feel very lucky with the sensible journalism we get compared to a**holes like this in BOS -
I can repeat to myself as many times as I like that “2 or 3, just doesn’t make that much difference”, and this top of the order still irks me. I can’t seem to help it, LOL.
Uh oh facing a pitcher making his debut. That means the Braves bats will be silent tonight
Bauer’s got a chance to be a good one, no doubt, but he gets the hurt-locker tonight. He’ll get fastball-happy, as do most rooks with a good one, and that’s a bad idea against the Braves.
Great Stuff, DOB. As great as Bourn and Jason and Kimbrel have been, Martin is probably the most valuable guy. I can’t imagine the difference without him.
From the previous blog which had 1,416 comments, TheOnlyBravesFan led the way with 111 posts. There were 168 different poster names. Here are the Top 25:
I normally Don’t get Greedy, but this is a Must Sweep…Gotta Finish taking the D-Bags to the Woodshed before the Epic Clash this weekend against the Curly W…
My Pick to Click will be Double J with a Line on 6 1/3’s IP with 2 ER in a 4-2 W…
I’m sure the Braves will make Bourn an offer, probably something around 4/40, maybe even 5/50 (pipe dream to me but you never know) but he’ll probably turn it down and go elsewhere. They’ve had interest in BJ Upton in that past. With Desmond Jennings already there, Rays don’t have a need for Upton I would think so I wouldn’t be shocked at all to see Wren go after him even if he has to overpay (which would surprise me even less). The CF depth, in term of suitbale everyday players, in this organization is atrocious IMO.
It’s the traditionalist in most of us that want the best hitter batting third. But in our case, who is truly the best hitter? Heyward or Prado? That’s a tough one four shore.
But in our case, who is truly the best hitter? Heyward or Prado? That’s a tough one four shore.
Depends on how you see the 3, I guess. Heyward is more of a damage guy, Bourn and Prado have been a superb tandem, and like that. That’s just me, though. As long as they’re both hitting, not a whole lot of difference where they slot, certainly not enough to impact a single game. Maybe you get some significance over 90 games, but both are going to get a little slumpy at some point. Then Fredo can surprise us all again, and the whole 2-or-3 thing is moot.
DS1, I don’t know if Hudson is an ace anymore, or if one would have ever considered him a true ace. I don’t know what an “ace” is to be 100% honest, but I assume it’s a pitcher more consistantly dominant than Hudson. I know his record is unreal when given a 3 or 4 run lead in his career and some might say that automatically qualifies him an true #1.
I am not going to jump on the Jurrjens bandwagon just yet but tonight will be telling.
His Boston outing was impressive but why do I feel that he was extra-charged with “I’ll-show-them-that-I-belong-in-the-majors” juice? If he goes back to his pre-demotion complacency, it could be disastrous.
Right now, Uggla should bat 9th behind any and all pitchers, with Mac hitting 8th behind any and all pitchers, all of whom are hotter right now than either of em….
And that includes the relievers with zero at bats for years now…
Medlen needs to be in the rotation. Streched him out in AAA and wasted 2 weeks. Why, just to put him back in pen to pitch 1 inning in games already 4 runs down. What’s up with that. Pinchey Idiots.
Either Minor or Deldago one needs to go down for a little while. Hard to win with 2 kids in rotation back to back. Either one would be fine with me but not both this year. What we really need to do is package at least 1 of Mike Minor / RHP Randall Delgado RHP / Julio Teheran for good vet starter.
Uggla and Mac needs to be moved down until they heat up.
Unfortunately, by the time you’d realize that they had “heated up”, they would already have used up a lot of the “heat”, in spots where it would do the least good. You’d then move them back up in the order, right about the time they would cool off. Buying high and selling low, constantly.
What we really need to do is package at least 1 of Mike Minor / RHP Randall Delgado RHP / Julio Teheran for good vet starter.
So,again, we have trade requests involving Julio Teheran because Polished couldn’t get the job done and has an ERA over 5 for his career. We overdraft the kid #7 overall in 2009, he pitches poorly, and then he costs us Julio Teheran because he pitches poorly.
1,545 comments Add your comment
Jon
June 28th, 2012
2:56 pm
Roll Tide.
ChattTownBrian
June 28th, 2012
2:58 pm
Not afraid to admit that Martin Prado makes this guy
He can do it all. Everything.
ChattTownBrian
June 28th, 2012
2:59 pm
Jon, you suck! VOLS
Sopheee
June 28th, 2012
2:59 pm
Thanks DOB.
Gotta love a good ol’ ‘teen ‘teen blog.
Hillbilly
June 28th, 2012
2:59 pm
Don’t let the man getcha and do what he done to me…
flange1
June 28th, 2012
2:59 pm
Mavis Staples rules!
Thanks for the new blog DOB!
Ease
June 28th, 2012
2:59 pm
DS1
June 28th, 2012
3:00 pm
Sure glad I missed the “non-political discussions” earlier on the last blog!
Ease
June 28th, 2012
3:01 pm
Can’t believe Martin said, “sh***y“.
ChattTownBrian
June 28th, 2012
3:01 pm
I asked the doctor today about vitamines to take and she suggested 1 A Day mens. I honestly then asked how many times a day do I take it.
CB
June 28th, 2012
3:01 pm
Soph, they will probably trade him in off season. Just don’t appreciate what they got.
Ease
June 28th, 2012
3:02 pm
You were intentionally left out.
DS1
June 28th, 2012
3:02 pm
Tax vs Commerce Clause………. now that’s going to be interesting. (not making any particular political point…….)
Ease
Good observation a few pages back on the old blog………
Ease
June 28th, 2012
3:04 pm
Tonight’s lineup vs. ARI – Bourn 8 Heyward 9 Prado 7 McCann 2 Jones 5 Uggla 4 Freeman 3 Simmons 6 Jurrjens 1
DS1
June 28th, 2012
3:04 pm
Ease
If most folks are in agreement, it’s hard to have an argument I guess.
But enough of that……….
Sopheee
June 28th, 2012
3:04 pm
I’d turn into a doom and gloomer, CB.
DS1
June 28th, 2012
3:05 pm
I’m feeling a sweep coming on………….
Bo Graves!
phil
June 28th, 2012
3:07 pm
If Bourn, Heyward, Prado, Jones, Freeman and Simmons keep hitting the ball, we’re good.
We know Mac and Uggla are hopeless these days. Any kind of hit from one of them is a bonus.
I blame FG for their struggles.
Ease
June 28th, 2012
3:08 pm
Was no arguing going on…
Mixxo
June 28th, 2012
3:08 pm
Bauer owns us.
Ease
June 28th, 2012
3:08 pm
http://www.mylife.com/bo-graves
CB
June 28th, 2012
3:09 pm
So, I am waiting for the NBA draft to see how Michael Jordan screws this up for Bobcats.
Ease
June 28th, 2012
3:09 pm
I used to work for Eddie.
BravePack(FreeFan)
June 28th, 2012
3:10 pm
AT’s comment from last blog:
Willingham isn’t an option unless we are willing to trade for him. And I still don’t see all that depth at pitching equating into qaulity rotation, look at all the problems we have now. And next year isn’t any different with the possibility that JJ won’t be offered arb, Beachy possibly not making it back at all next year, Hudson another year older and I doubt all of the physical issues gone, Hanson is what he is nothing more than a 2 or 3 starter and then you lump all of these together Delgado, Minor, Teheran and Medlen to which none of them have shown they are ready to lead a club. I just don’t see all of this quality everyone has faith in for next season, I see the quantity by not quality.
Well said AT and I agree with this statement 100%. I just hope Wren sees the rotation as we do because this team really needs an ace this year and in the future. Greinke would be a really good addition for this team.
JoshTown
June 28th, 2012
3:10 pm
“Prado is a baseball player.” Very well said. Go Braves! And lovin the Mavis Staples!
Murph
June 28th, 2012
3:13 pm
Surprised the Braves weren’t really in on Puig, especially after working so hard on Soler and missing out.
I’m not even going to attempt any more guesses at next year’s OF anymore… Heyward and two stiffs would be my guess.
That sounds like a band name. Heyward And The Stiffs. A blues band, no doubt.
ncscoots
June 28th, 2012
3:13 pm
I can repeat to myself as many times as I like that “2 or 3, just doesn’t make that much difference”, and this top of the order still irks me. I can’t seem to help it, LOL.
cricket
June 28th, 2012
3:14 pm
Can’t believe Martin said, “sh***y“.
how did he manage to pronounce those 3 stars?
some maroons here want DOB to follow the lead of so-called tough big city journalists and criticize players and coaches but personally i feel very lucky with the sensible journalism we get compared to a**holes like this in BOS -
http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/06/28/the-boston-globe-piles-on-clay-buchholz/
Sopheee
June 28th, 2012
3:14 pm
Reportedly listening to offers for that no. 2 pick, CB.
McFann :Ô: :Ô: :ô:
June 28th, 2012
3:15 pm
So he moves Uggla and Freeman down when they struggle for a bit, eh? Gotcha.
Ease
June 28th, 2012
3:16 pm
Josh Smith for all of Charlotte’s picks.
cricket
June 28th, 2012
3:16 pm
Prado is a baseball player
sounds like NFL mandated utterance of “National Football League” during all their game telecasts ..
go-BRAVOS
June 28th, 2012
3:17 pm
Uh oh facing a pitcher making his debut. That means the Braves bats will be silent tonight.
David O'Brien
June 28th, 2012
3:18 pm
Braves lineup: Bourn CF, Heyward RF, Prado LF, McCann C, Jones 3B, Uggla 2B, Freeman 1B, Simmons SS, Jurrjens P
CB
June 28th, 2012
3:18 pm
Soph, I know, his track record on decision making is not too good. Adam Morrison and Kwame Brown for examples.
Hillbilly
June 28th, 2012
3:19 pm
ncscoots
I can repeat to myself as many times as I like that “2 or 3, just doesn’t make that much difference”, and this top of the order still irks me. I can’t seem to help it, LOL.
ncbravesfan90
June 28th, 2012
3:19 pm
Even more a reason the Braves will be interested…
According to CBS Sports’ Jon Heyman, the Cubs are willing to eat part of Ryan Dempster’s contract in a trade.
ncscoots
June 28th, 2012
3:20 pm
Uh oh facing a pitcher making his debut. That means the Braves bats will be silent tonight
Bauer’s got a chance to be a good one, no doubt, but he gets the hurt-locker tonight. He’ll get fastball-happy, as do most rooks with a good one, and that’s a bad idea against the Braves.
Efrim
June 28th, 2012
3:21 pm
Bauer has struggled with control in the minors this year. Great pitching prospect, but I still think the Braves will hit him a bit tonight.
ncscoots
June 28th, 2012
3:21 pm
Boat is still floating
I’m happy to lie back and take the sun, up until the time I feel water around my feet.
Churt21
June 28th, 2012
3:22 pm
Great Stuff, DOB. As great as Bourn and Jason and Kimbrel have been, Martin is probably the most valuable guy. I can’t imagine the difference without him.
Fish Bisch
June 28th, 2012
3:23 pm
Bauer owns us
Braveone
June 28th, 2012
3:23 pm
From the previous blog which had 1,416 comments, TheOnlyBravesFan led the way with 111 posts. There were 168 different poster names. Here are the Top 25:
Rank Poster Frequency
1 TheOnlyBravesFan 111
2 Ease 95
3 Efrim 70
4 nolie 56
5 jeffrey d 44
6 ncscoots 44
7 Lew 41
8 Murph 39
9 CraZy 36
10 cabravesfan 36
11 NickB 34
12 ChattTownBrian 33
13 Jimmy 31
14 Tomahawk Mafia 29
15 richbrave 29
16 ncbravesfan90 28
17 Bat Masterson 27
18 TennesseePaul 27
19 phil 25
20 McFann :Ô: :Ô: :ô: 24
21 JNick 22
22 CaptainMudd 20
23 Ward 20
24 cricket 20
25 Arkansas Transplant 19
TennesseePaul
June 28th, 2012
3:25 pm
Thanks for the work DOB.
GO BRAVES!!
Last 9 Starts of the Starting 9
_________AVG__OBP__SLG___OPS_wOBA_L9S9+
Bourn__ .275 .268 .400 0.668 .283 ___74
Heyward .485 .500 1000 1.500 .603 __283
Prado__ .333 .359 .500 0.859 .367 __125
McCann_ .162 .205 .189 0.394 .166 ____7
Chipper .235 .333 .412 0.745 .330 ___97
Uggla__ .118 .211 .118 0.328 .133 ___-8
Freeman .257 .297 .371 0.669 .296 ___77
Simmons .344 .333 .438 0.771 .359 __103
Jurrjen .167 .286 .167 0.452 .180 ___27
Hillbilly
June 28th, 2012
3:25 pm
I’m happy to lie back and take the sun, up until the time I feel water around my feet.
Well, you just Dylan Bundyed Trevor Bauer at 3:20, so you’ve got one more day of sun.
Tomahawkin
June 28th, 2012
3:25 pm
I normally Don’t get Greedy, but this is a Must Sweep…Gotta Finish taking the D-Bags to the Woodshed before the Epic Clash this weekend against the Curly W…
My Pick to Click will be Double J with a Line on 6 1/3’s IP with 2 ER in a 4-2 W…
ChattTownBrian
June 28th, 2012
3:26 pm
They’ll eat part of Dempster’s contract in a trade means they want a top prospect and probably a little more. Same with Garza.
I’m with Lew – we ain’t getting a top rotation guy. Middle guy that’ll eat some innings up.
ChopChamps95
June 28th, 2012
3:27 pm
@Murph
I’m sure the Braves will make Bourn an offer, probably something around 4/40, maybe even 5/50 (pipe dream to me but you never know) but he’ll probably turn it down and go elsewhere. They’ve had interest in BJ Upton in that past. With Desmond Jennings already there, Rays don’t have a need for Upton I would think so I wouldn’t be shocked at all to see Wren go after him even if he has to overpay (which would surprise me even less). The CF depth, in term of suitbale everyday players, in this organization is atrocious IMO.
Efrim
June 28th, 2012
3:28 pm
I can’t help it, I feel a sweep coming tonight!
ncscoots
June 28th, 2012
3:28 pm
Well, you just Dylan Bundyed Trevor Bauer at 3:20, so you’ve got one more day of sun.
I have to be careful with that stuff, a man only got so much mojo he can fling. Get too prediction-happy and it’ll bite you in the tukas.
DS1
June 28th, 2012
3:29 pm
scoots
It’s the traditionalist in most of us that want the best hitter batting third. But in our case, who is truly the best hitter? Heyward or Prado? That’s a tough one four shore.
come on freddy
June 28th, 2012
3:29 pm
Leave Bourn at leadoff and the rookie 8th. Use guys that are hot in the middle of the order and slumping guys lower. Take a pic Freddy.
cf Michael Bourn .309 .353 .445
lf Martin Prado .317 .378 .459
rf Jason Heyward .282 .354 .520
3b Chipper Jones .290 .366 .455
1b Freddie Freeman .258 .304 .438
2b Dan Uggla .238 .366 .418
c Brian McCann .234 .305 .396
SS Andrelton Simmons .325 .361 .494
Michael Procton
June 28th, 2012
3:30 pm
We’ve heard this story before with Prado in June. Let’s see him not collapse down the stretch in August and September.
DS1
June 28th, 2012
3:32 pm
CTB
In my humble opinion, both Dempster and Garza are not top of the rotation guys. Both are solid 2’s when they are on.
Not exactly who is our #1 right now. Hanson or Huddy? (and some would say that neither of them is a top of the rotation guy either.)
Efrim
June 28th, 2012
3:32 pm
D-Backs got two more coming with Tyler Skaggs and Archie Bradley.
That’s serious pitching depth.
DS1
June 28th, 2012
3:33 pm
Not sure where this love affair that Fredi has with Mac came from? He needs to drop a few slots in the order.
Venice Jim
June 28th, 2012
3:34 pm
Not to be outdone by the Phillies giving up 5 in the top of the 1st earlier, the Nationals have now surrendered 5 runs to the Rockies…
Efrim
June 28th, 2012
3:35 pm
Hudson, Hanson, whoever Minor is traded for, Delgado and Teheran in 2013…….
ncscoots
June 28th, 2012
3:36 pm
But in our case, who is truly the best hitter? Heyward or Prado? That’s a tough one four shore.
Depends on how you see the 3, I guess. Heyward is more of a damage guy, Bourn and Prado have been a superb tandem, and like that. That’s just me, though. As long as they’re both hitting, not a whole lot of difference where they slot, certainly not enough to impact a single game. Maybe you get some significance over 90 games, but both are going to get a little slumpy at some point. Then Fredo can surprise us all again, and the whole 2-or-3 thing is moot.
TennesseePaul
June 28th, 2012
3:37 pm
Tyler Skaggs, is that Ricky’s kin?
ChattTownBrian
June 28th, 2012
3:38 pm
DS1, I don’t know if Hudson is an ace anymore, or if one would have ever considered him a true ace. I don’t know what an “ace” is to be 100% honest, but I assume it’s a pitcher more consistantly dominant than Hudson. I know his record is unreal when given a 3 or 4 run lead in his career and some might say that automatically qualifies him an true #1.
Efrim
June 28th, 2012
3:38 pm
Colorado up 5-0 on the Nationals and still batting in the 1st inning.
A must win tonight for our Braves then…….
Efrim
June 28th, 2012
3:39 pm
Tyler Skaggs, is that Ricky’s kin?
What a last name that is…
Dawgdad (The Original)
June 28th, 2012
3:40 pm
Mar-teen,is Mr Brave, but they shopped him around last off season. Glad they didn’t succeed!
ChattTownBrian
June 28th, 2012
3:40 pm
Minor is gone soon. I bet one of nolie’s hoveround chrome rims on that.
DZ
June 28th, 2012
3:41 pm
I am not going to jump on the Jurrjens bandwagon just yet but tonight will be telling.
His Boston outing was impressive but why do I feel that he was extra-charged with “I’ll-show-them-that-I-belong-in-the-majors” juice? If he goes back to his pre-demotion complacency, it could be disastrous.
TennesseePaul
June 28th, 2012
3:41 pm
…whoever Minor is traded for…
Ha! Polished is as good as gone to you….
… “He is dead to me. I have no son.”
ChattTownBrian
June 28th, 2012
3:41 pm
Yes sir! Go Rocks!
ncscoots
June 28th, 2012
3:41 pm
Colorado up 5-0 on the Nationals and still batting in the 1st inning.
‘Bout flippin’ time they got off their butts.
phil
June 28th, 2012
3:42 pm
A must win…lol
They ALL are!!
Tomahawkin
June 28th, 2012
3:43 pm
baseballprospectus.com
Braves Have a 70 Percent chance of getting the Wildcard “Lock It In!”
TennesseePaul
June 28th, 2012
3:43 pm
‘Bout flippin’ time they got off their butts.
They’re playing in CO. The game could be tied at 15 by the top of the second.
DS1
June 28th, 2012
3:43 pm
Did we really shop Marteen last winter, or did other clubs just inquire about him? Not sure we know the answer.
phil
June 28th, 2012
3:43 pm
It’s hot out….
that’s our excuse to lose the next 4.
ChattTownBrian
June 28th, 2012
3:43 pm
David O’Twitter is kind enough to stop his tweeting to write us a new blog. Good man.
Jimmy
June 28th, 2012
3:44 pm
There will be a Statement Sweep tonight.
Tomahawkin
June 28th, 2012
3:44 pm
Pence Just hit a homer, not good!
come on freddy
June 28th, 2012
3:44 pm
Uggla and Mac needs to be moved down until they heat up. Ross needs to play a little more too.
ncscoots
June 28th, 2012
3:44 pm
If he goes back to his pre-demotion complacency, it could be disastrous.
But can you think of a single reason he might do so? The man rode the bus for two months; his attention’s been got.
One needs a better reason to expect the worst than merely the remote possibility of it.
Efrim
June 28th, 2012
3:46 pm
Ha! Polished is as good as gone to you….
… “He is dead to me. I have no son.”
I really do like him and see a #3 starter in there. I mean, he’s Polished……
phil
June 28th, 2012
3:48 pm
Right now, Uggla should bat 9th behind any and all pitchers, with Mac hitting 8th behind any and all pitchers, all of whom are hotter right now than either of em….
And that includes the relievers with zero at bats for years now…
DS1
June 28th, 2012
3:48 pm
So if we lose tonight, does that mean the season’s over?
Efrim
June 28th, 2012
3:48 pm
OF Conner Lien with a couple of singles, couple of walks and a couple of stolen bases for GCL Braves today.
Jimmy
June 28th, 2012
3:49 pm
DKnobler: Good to hear that @CJNitkowski has officially jumped to the media side. Doing postgame show tonight for Braves radio.
Efrim
June 28th, 2012
3:50 pm
If the Phillies lose this game, there quest for a division title is O-V-E-R.
How can they possibly erase a 11 game lead in the loss column?!?!?
Efrim
June 28th, 2012
3:51 pm
When did Jason Grilli become a dominant reliever?
Jimmy
June 28th, 2012
3:52 pm
Hate to say it, Phils cut the lead to 5-4, still batting with two on.
keylargo
June 28th, 2012
3:52 pm
Start the lineup with these four and finish it any way you want to.
1. Bourn
2. Chipper
3. Heyward
4. Prado
DS1
June 28th, 2012
3:52 pm
Efrim
Statement game for Phillies?
Bat Masterson
June 28th, 2012
3:52 pm
Good read, DOB. Thanks
Jimmy
June 28th, 2012
3:52 pm
5-4 Pirates headed to the 9th.
come on freddy
June 28th, 2012
3:54 pm
Medlen needs to be in the rotation. Streched him out in AAA and wasted 2 weeks. Why, just to put him back in pen to pitch 1 inning in games already 4 runs down. What’s up with that. Pinchey Idiots.
Either Minor or Deldago one needs to go down for a little while. Hard to win with 2 kids in rotation back to back. Either one would be fine with me but not both this year. What we really need to do is package at least 1 of Mike Minor / RHP Randall Delgado RHP / Julio Teheran for good vet starter.
Jimmy
June 28th, 2012
3:55 pm
Which one of the bat boys cuts FF’s hair?
ncscoots
June 28th, 2012
3:55 pm
Uggla and Mac needs to be moved down until they heat up.
Unfortunately, by the time you’d realize that they had “heated up”, they would already have used up a lot of the “heat”, in spots where it would do the least good. You’d then move them back up in the order, right about the time they would cool off. Buying high and selling low, constantly.
keylargo
June 28th, 2012
3:55 pm
How can they possibly erase a 11 game lead in the loss column?!?!?
You can honestly ask that @ game 78?
Efrim
June 28th, 2012
3:56 pm
Statement game for Phillies?
I’m just not sure they should play the remaining 84 games if they can’t win this 1 game………
That’s as clear as day to me.
Efrim
June 28th, 2012
3:57 pm
I’m being Looney Tunes, key. Just messin around on this Thursday afternoon.
ncscoots
June 28th, 2012
3:58 pm
Statement game for Phillies?
You can turn ‘em over and brown the other side: they’re done.
Efrim
June 28th, 2012
3:59 pm
What we really need to do is package at least 1 of Mike Minor / RHP Randall Delgado RHP / Julio Teheran for good vet starter.
So,again, we have trade requests involving Julio Teheran because Polished couldn’t get the job done and has an ERA over 5 for his career. We overdraft the kid #7 overall in 2009, he pitches poorly, and then he costs us Julio Teheran because he pitches poorly.
Makes a ton of sense to me.
keylargo
June 28th, 2012
4:00 pm
Efrim – I haven’t looked it up but the Braves seemed to have lost about 11 games in the loss column in about 2 weeks. It can be done.