Braves have had a void in No. 3 hole

(Staff writer Carroll Rogers is filling in for David O’Brien today.)

Leave it to yours truly to write about a dearth of offense at a certain spot in the lineup the morning after the Braves pile up 17 hits and eight runs on the Arizona Diamondbacks. They matched their season-high for a nine-inning game, after they got 17 hits on April 18 against the Mets.

Chipper's No. 3 spot hasn't been easy to fill

Chipper's No. 3 spot hasn't been easy to fill

The Braves got two or more hits from seven of the nine hitters in the order last night and another base hit from pitcher Tim Hudson. Dan Uggla was the odd man out, going 0-for-4, though he did score a run after being hit by a pitch and balked to second base.

But yes, I’m going to pick on a spot in the order anyway – the No. 3 hole – because in the conversation about moving Jason Heyward up in the order yesterday, it became a hot topic and one I thought worth delving into a bit.

Many of you thought Fredi Gonzalez should have left Martin Prado in his second spot and put Heyward in the No. 3 hole, instead of what he did which was to put Heyward in the No. 2 hole and move Prado to No. 3.

Of course the way the game played out, who’s to argue much with how it worked out, but from talking to Fredi a little about it, I think he was just going for getting his three hottest hitters to the top of the lineup, and either way he was going to have back-to-back lefties, either with Michael Bourn and Heyward, or Heyward and Brian McCann.

So I think he just put his guy who’s been the more consistent all-around hitter this season in Prado in the No. 3 hole. And he probably liked getting Heyward and Bourn’s speed back-to-back there. I’m sure others of you like the power Heyward offers in the No. 3 hole, especially given his production of late.

But frankly, I don’t think Gonzalez knows exactly what to do with that spot right now. It’s the spot for the best and most important hitter in a lineup and so far this season, it’s been a black hole.

The Braves are hitting .205 from the No. 3 hole, lowest at any position in the order except for the pitchers’ spot (.154). Their .278 on-base percentage at the No. 3 hole is the lowest of any outside of the pitchers’ spot (.207). Even the .382 slugging is third-worst this side of the fifth hole (.357) and pitchers’ spot (.190).

Here’s a breakdown of who’s done what this season in the No. 3 hole for the Braves:

Player Games Batting Average, On-Base, Slugging

Freddie Freeman 38 .232/.298/.424

Brian McCann 24 .191/.255/.372

Chipper Jones 6 .100/.269/.250

Martin Prado 3 .250/.308/.250

Jason Heyward 2 .125/.222/.375

I also think a certain responsibility comes with hitting in the No. 3 spot and hitters know it, so there’s a mental side to it too. I know the mental side of the game often gets lost in the number-crunching in these kind of forums (smile), but maybe if you’re a manager you don’t necessarily thrust a young hitter in there, even a hot one, and assume everything will be smooth.

Just talking in general yesterday, not necessarily about Heyward, Gonzalez said: “Not everybody can hit third. You would think so, but mentally whatever it is, a No. 3 hole or a No. 4 hole, some guys don’t like that stuff.”

I do know Fredi thought about hitting Heyward third and maybe he does it again here soon. He originally made out four lineups yesterday and had Heyward hitting second in one, third in one, and fifth in two others. So we’ll keep an eye on that.

But my bigger point, is that Chipper Jones has made hitting third look easy for all these years, and I think what this tells us is that it’s not so simple just to plug somebody in there and assume he’s going to take off. It’s a demanding spot, and as we know, an important one.

Who’s on first?

Braves prospect Joey Terdoslavich was dealing with a double whammy this season – the challenge of skipping Double-A altogether as he started the season in Triple-A Gwinnett, and learning a new position on top of that – third base. It proved a little too much at one time, as Terdo hit only .180 while committing 22 errors in 53 games for Gwinnett.

Terdo is heating back up in Double-A

Terdo is heating back up in Double-A

Since the Braves sent him to Mississippi, though, he’s taken off – hitting .353 (24-for-68) with 10 doubles, one homer, and 16 RBIs in his first 18 games. (Had to do a double-take on the doubles. Really? 10? Yes.)

As for the position, the Braves also decided to let him return to first base, to get comfortable more than anything else. But after he got his feet underneath him, they put him back at third base for a couple of games too. I asked assistant GM/farm director Bruce Manno about him yesterday, and he said the Braves haven’t made a decision on what they want to do with him position-wise, so for now they’ll let him do a little of both.

“We’re not ready to decide which one or how much more of one vs. the other,” Manno said. “We’ll see how it goes. We’re not tied into anything. We just want to make sure we get him in the most comfortable place.”

Flashback to Father’s Day

We had a lot going on Father’s Day here, since that was the day after Brandon Beachy left the Orioles game with an elbow injury, and I only got to mention briefly the awesome surprise Craig Kimbrel had given his father that day – surprising him on the field with a brand new Harley-Davidson Road King Classic motorcycle.

But I had a chance to ask him about it yesterday and thought I’d share. You know how Kimbrel always does the closest-to-the-pin golf game before first pitch? Well, he got his brothers and father in on a ruse, getting out there to do it on Father’s Day, so he could present him with the gift on the field.

Kimbrel said they let his dad Mike hit first. “He swung and missed on the first one,” Kimbrel said laughing, and explained his father looked up and watch the imaginary flight of his would-be ball. “He played it off pretty good.”

They gave him a mulligan and he hit again, this time a decent shot. That made it a little easier for his brothers

This is a Road King Classic. Photo from Harley-Davidson

This is a Road King Classic. Photo from Harley-Davidson

Matt, Alan and Craig to all sandbag and let Mike win. That way, Craig could take the microphone and announce that his father had won a prize from the three brothers.

Mike didn’t see it at first, when they drove the Harley in from right field, but when they did, Kimbrel said he could see tears in his dad’s eyes.

“He’s had a 1980 Honda forever and he always fixes it up every year, getting it up and running again,” Kimbrel said. “And I figured I’d get him something he didn’t have to work on so much. He could enjoy.”

Apparently, he’s been doing quite a bit of that.

“I talked to my mom yesterday, and I haven’t been able to get in touch with dad for a few days,” Kimbrel said. “She said that’s because he’s been riding his bike everywhere.”

Lineup

1. Bourn 8

2. Heyward 9

3. Prado 7

4. McCann 2

5. Uggla 4

6. Jones 5

7. Freeman 3

8. Simmons 6

9. Hanson 1

1,427 comments Add your comment

Gustopher

June 27th, 2012
2:21 pm

Efrim

June 27th, 2012
2:23 pm

probably not, but you have been harping on his april all this time. besides, he wasnt good in the 2nd half, but it wasnt anything like this april.

Again, read the comments. MFin said Minor and Delgado have had just as bad of a season as Jurrjens and I disagree.

Efrim

June 27th, 2012
2:24 pm

Braves’ Wish List Starts with Greinke

The Braves will keep their starting rotation in place with the intention of spending the next two weeks determining how aggressive they should be leading up to the Trade Deadline. Barring a drastic change during this period, they will enter the All-Star break interested in the potential to land Milwaukee’s Zack Greinke via a trade and then sign him before he would be eligible to hit the free agent market at the end of this season.

With Tim Hudson and Tommy Hanson currently standing as the only reliable assets in their starting rotation, the Braves will likely make landing a starting pitcher a priority before the Trade Deadline. Greinke, Matt Garza, Ryan Dempster and Edinson Volquez would be among their potential targets.

But if the Braves reach a point where they are committed to land a starting pitcher they will target Greinke, who would be the top-of-the-rotation asset that could capably replace the injured Brandon Beachy and have the ability to compete in a postseason setting.

The Braves would like to avoid giving up the prospects that would be required to land Greinke. But they will likely be tempted to do so unless Jair Jurrjens spends the next couple of weeks proving last Friday’s start against the Red Sox was not a fluke.

But even if the Braves enter the break confident that Hudson, Hanson and Jurrjens will solidify the front end of their rotation for the remainder of the year, they still might be tempted to add another veteran presence to their rotation.

If the Brewers opt to trade Greinke, the Braves’ interest would hinge on being able to lock the former Cy Young Award winner up with a long-term contract. They are not interested in landing the right-hander to be a two-month rental. Under the terms of the new collective bargaining agreement, they would no longer be eligible to receive draft pick compensation if he exited as a free agent after this season.

This means the Braves would likely have to be willing to offer something similar to the contract recently signed by Matt Cain, who will be guaranteed $112.5 million over the course of the next five seasons (2013-17).

Though the Braves do not have much payroll flexibility this year, they have already discussed the potential of using the money budgeted for 2013 to address their needs via the trade market this year.

With Chipper Jones ($14 million), Derek Lowe ($15 million), Michael Bourn ($6.84 million) among those coming off of the payroll at the end of this year, the Braves will have some money to play with this winter. But some of these funds will be needed to either re-sign Bourn or acquire at least one more outfielder. – Mark Bowman

Ease

June 27th, 2012
2:26 pm

I want a hippopotamus for Christmas.

CrαZy

June 27th, 2012
2:26 pm

Why are so many people down on Teheran

I don’t think they are… maybe on here, but not to the people that matter (Braves F.O.)!! Still think he is the most untouchable of the younger pitchers. (Minor, Delgado, Teheran, Vizcaino. Gilmartin)

TheOnlyBravesFan

June 27th, 2012
2:26 pm

1st…. I’ll be there tonight!

cricket

June 27th, 2012
2:26 pm

glad to see that useless discussion continues on new blog. signal to leave the blog alone and get some work done.

CrαZy

June 27th, 2012
2:27 pm

Keep the JJ vs. Hanson talk on the old blog… please!!

TheOnlyBravesFan

June 27th, 2012
2:27 pm

wow,not even close….

Reposts from last blog

TheOnlyBravesFan
June 27th, 2012
2:21 pm

Ivana is the mother of Ivanka. Trump is Ivana’s ex-hubby and Ivanka’s daddy. Ivana is in her 60s at least, so it would be no surprise if you guys didn’t “like” her.

She’s 63, Ivanka is 30. ‘Nuff said I think

TheOnlyBravesFan
June 27th, 2012
2:24 pm

$17mil a season… for a catcher… on the wrong side of 30 (he’ll turn 30 the first year of this new contract)?

AL team will pay him that…. If the Braves want to bring him back, I think it’s gonna be around that price. With Molina to be getting 15mil per, don’t see Mac taking less than him.

TennesseePaul

June 27th, 2012
2:28 pm


____________IP___H__BB___K__ER__ERA__AVG__OBP__SLG__OPS
The bad. 090.1 120 042 053 072 7.17 .325 .394 .585 .979
The Good 605.1 549 200 426 195 2.90 .244 .307 .364 .671

TennesseePaul

June 27th, 2012
2:29 pm

Thanks for the work CR!

GO BRAVES!

Jimmy

June 27th, 2012
2:29 pm

Yeap, someone pulled the carcass over here with them.
Have at it boys.

TennesseePaul

June 27th, 2012
2:29 pm

Sorry, those numbers are the HoRam Rule splits for Jurrjens.

Efrim

June 27th, 2012
2:29 pm

I can’t see the Braves spending 20 million a year on any starting pitcher, but that’s just me. Nothing wrong with going for it this year and forgetting about the Greinke extension. 127.5 million over 6 years is a lot for any starter, even as one as good as Greinke.

Ritz

June 27th, 2012
2:30 pm

McCann should just be dropped to 5 (or more at this point really). Then you can have Heyward batting 3rd and Prado back at 2 so you keep the Bourn-Prado thing going. You also avoid any Lefty, Lefty combos that way since managers seem to love avoiding those.

Bourn – L
Prado – R
Heyward – L
Uggla – R
McCann – L
Chipper – S
Freeman – L
Simmons – R
Pitcher.

… Seems pretty obvious to me.

Murph

June 27th, 2012
2:31 pm

Is it true that Fredi really asked Heyward’s opinion on the lineup, showing him 3 different options?

Part of me likes this, given that Heyward is the team’s hottest hitter… but part of me thinks it’s ridiculous, that Fredi is the manager and it’s his job, no his players, to set the lineup.

Doesn’t really matter since it worked. All the more credit to Heyward I guess.

Bat Masterson

June 27th, 2012
2:31 pm

Leave all discussion of you know who at the blog city limits, or suffer being buffaloed and arrested.

Bat Masterson, Deputy US Marshall

Jimmy

June 27th, 2012
2:31 pm

“AL team will pay him that”

Exactly, because of the DH option. It would be ridiculous for the Braves to invest that kind of money and contract length.

Bat Masterson

June 27th, 2012
2:32 pm

Nice work, Carroll. Thanks

Ease

June 27th, 2012
2:32 pm

Only a hippopotamus will do.

TheOnlyBravesFan

June 27th, 2012
2:32 pm

Jurrjens last 7 starts of 2011

ERA BA OBP SLG OPS BAbip
5.88. 301 .376 .571 .947 .305

with 9 homers allowed, 27 ER,19 BB, 25SO, and 49 Hits in 41.1 Innings

Only Minor’s May was worse than that.

TennesseePaul

June 27th, 2012
2:33 pm

Oh and Efrim, if you want to bring up that example… make sure it is apt. 11 games vs 299 games (~1200 PA)… not apt in my book. I’m happy for the kid, but need to see it more before I’m sold. I have the same position on Jurrjens these days as well, need to see more good from him before I’m sold.

Murph

June 27th, 2012
2:33 pm

Nothing wrong with going for it this year and forgetting about the Greinke extension.

Well, that depends on what’s given up for the rental. If it’s a Tex-type deal where all of the good prospects are shipped off, I won’t be none too happy about it. If it’s reasonable and the team can keep at least one of Teheran or Delgado, then maybe.

I’ll be pretty upset if Teheran gets dealt no matter what, but more so if it’s just for a rental.

Efrim

June 27th, 2012
2:33 pm

The Braves would like to avoid giving up the prospects that would be required to land Greinke.

Would it really be that bad? No draft pick comp. 2 months, strictly a rental. I guess Sabean gave up Wheeler for Beltran, but I thought that was over the top.

I’d probably give up Minor for Greinke…… ;)

abeeewright

June 27th, 2012
2:34 pm

maybe braves should go with a ten man batting order and just skip the 3 spot each time through.

kind of like a hotel without the thirteenth floor.

shorty

June 27th, 2012
2:34 pm

Fire Fredi.Nuff Said!

abeeewright

June 27th, 2012
2:35 pm

speaking of curses, who got livan’s locker?

Gustopher

June 27th, 2012
2:35 pm

Great Blog Carroll. Will Chipper be returning to the 3 hole any time soon?

TennesseePaul

June 27th, 2012
2:36 pm

127.5 million over 6 years is a lot for any starter, even as one as good as Greinke.

It is rich, but eventually this club will have to hand that kind of deal out. The market for this level of talent in the majors is moving that way and with it, on the coat tails, is all the rest of the pitchers… Not so amazing guys are pulling in $9M now. If this club is going to compete, it will be paying big bucks for the good players. Doesn’t have to be a massive salary at every position, but there will be one some where.

Ease

June 27th, 2012
2:37 pm

Well if Bowman said so…

Mark Bowman ‏@mlbbowman
Nothing has changed the odds of McCann being in ATL beyond 2013. Still think he’ll be elsewhere by the start of 2014

TheOnlyBravesFan

June 27th, 2012
2:38 pm

Greinke, Matt Garza, Ryan Dempster and Edinson Volquez would be among their potential targets.

Edinson Volquez is an interesting name. Played all of ‘08, his rookie year, appears to have been hurt in ‘09,’10, and part of ‘11. Never had a real solid year outside of ‘08, but he has been decent this year. Not really a #2-3 IMO.

TennesseePaul

June 27th, 2012
2:38 pm

If it’s a Tex-type deal where all of the good prospects are shipped off, I won’t be none too happy about it.

So, if the Braves have a chance to acquire the best pitcher on the market for 1.5 years of control in exchange for 3 or 4 players that are 3 back on the depth chart and largely in A ball, that’s too steep?

Ben

June 27th, 2012
2:38 pm

we ABSOLUTELY need a starter. not necessarily an ace like grienke can be, but at least a solid #3 guy like dempster or garza. After last 2 years where weve really only had like 2 starters fully healthy, we need another guy to come in for us at full strength. If we rely on JJ i give up as a fan lol its clear he’s not the same as he used to be and even if he is, we still need another starter, minor aint cuttin it

abeeewright

June 27th, 2012
2:39 pm

Efrim should just replace his blog moniker with “I’d give up Minor for …”

ncscoots

June 27th, 2012
2:40 pm

But frankly, I don’t think Gonzalez knows exactly what to do with that spot right now.

told you guys that he just over-thought it a little yesterday.

TheOnlyBravesFan

June 27th, 2012
2:41 pm

Mark Bowman ‏@mlbbowman
Nothing has changed the odds of McCann being in ATL beyond 2013. Still think he’ll be elsewhere by the start of 2014

I agree with that. Hard to believe he’d stay here/Braves can afford to keep him here. (Don’t kill me McFann!)

unbelievable

June 27th, 2012
2:41 pm

Ease, if thats the case then the Braves need to lock up Bourn.

ncscoots

June 27th, 2012
2:42 pm

Well if Bowman said so…

That pretty much seals the deal that they’ll have to pry McCann’s Braves uni from his cold, dead hands.

MikeInFl

June 27th, 2012
2:42 pm

I can’t see the Braves spending 20 million a year on any starting pitcher, but that’s just me.

Agreed, Efrim. And while I know Greinke is talented, his ERA’s the last two seasons were 4.17 and 3.83. He had a great year in 2009, and is having a very good year this year.

The discussion is “Matt Cain Money” for him; well, his numbers don’t match up to that standard.

PureEvil

June 27th, 2012
2:42 pm

Fire Fredi.Nuff Said!

Good call now go away

Nate McLouth

June 27th, 2012
2:42 pm

Fredi: I am ready, willing and fully prepared to fill the #3 spot.

TennesseePaul

June 27th, 2012
2:42 pm

I would think Greinke would command a little less than Cain though. Cain is a year younger and over the last 4 years has a sub-3 ERA, lower WHIP, etc.

drumz

June 27th, 2012
2:42 pm

As was already posted the whole L-L hitter thing can be avoided easily.

Bourn
Prado
Heyward
Uggla
McCann
Chipper
Freeman
Simmons

abeeewright

June 27th, 2012
2:43 pm

Bowman clearly miised the boat with his “McCann in 2013″ post. The Mayans said that there won’t be a 2013.

Abnerish

June 27th, 2012
2:44 pm

What’s wrong with asking a player his opinion? He wasn’t letting him make the decision, just asking for input. I see nothing wrong with that. In fact, I think that is probably well received in the clubhouse. As a player, I would think they would like to believe their Manager cares what they think. Same applies to Fredi asking Hudson his opinion on pitching the 9th last night. Some on this blog were giving Fredi grief for that. That’s absurd. That was Fredi giving respect to a veteran pitcher. He would have never done that with Minor or Delgado.

TheOnlyBravesFan

June 27th, 2012
2:44 pm

I have an idea…. since our 3-hole hits so bad, put the pitcher there. It’s a radical idea!

DAM

June 27th, 2012
2:45 pm

Ritz — exactly. It is obvious … which is why it’s so hard for Fredi to figure it out.

Michael Berry

June 27th, 2012
2:45 pm

Uggla in the 4 hole…absolutely not. He’s a rally killer. No way to you bat Uggla ahead of Chipper, McCann or Freeman.

Fred

June 27th, 2012
2:46 pm

Freeeman was doing great in the 3 spot before his eye injury and hand injury. if we think he is healthy lets get him back in there.

Bourn L
Prado R
Freeman L
Heyward L
Uggla R
Jones S
McCann L
Simmons R
Pitcher

or ever think about this

Bourn L
Simmons R
Heyward L
Uggla R
Prado R
Freeman L
Jones S
McCann L
Pitcher

Simmons has speed and has been hot so far and put Prado in a run producing spot. Jones is coming around since his latest injury. ou have to admit McCann has been terrible all season.

Murph

June 27th, 2012
2:46 pm

So, if the Braves have a chance to acquire the best pitcher on the market for 1.5 years of control in exchange for 3 or 4 players that are 3 back on the depth chart and largely in A ball, that’s too steep?

But that’s not what the circumstances of a Greinke deal would be. It would be for August and September… and that’s it. No 1.5 years of control. 2 months.

And, unfortunately, the only prospects in the Braves system that would appeal in a deal for one of the best starters in the league are not A ball players… they are young AAA or MLB players. Teheran, Delgado, Minor, etc. There are no highly-regarded prospects in A or AA that could become the cornerstone of the deal.

P B Orr

June 27th, 2012
2:47 pm

Did you see Uggla, strutting and preening his usual way to the plate, his stupid exaggerated mannerisms at the plate, adjusting his 15 pounds of batting equipment, chaw in place, blinking and unshaven – all that drama and posing an fretting and for what? He missed a pitch by 8 inches – it passed under the knob of his bat while his head was somewhere on Venus or the Moon or some halter-topped chick in the upper deck – behind the plate. What a damn waste of a batting spot.

And McCann? Permanent befuddlement, absolute confusion, iron-fisted stubbornness.

Efrim

June 27th, 2012
2:48 pm

Oh and Efrim, if you want to bring up that example… make sure it is apt. 11 games vs 299 games (~1200 PA)… not apt in my book.

Of course it isn’t for you. Good lord, reeelax.

Bama Brave

June 27th, 2012
2:48 pm

If Mark Bowman is right Brian MacCan will be in the Package for Zack Greinke. Thats What im thinking….

ChattTownBrian

June 27th, 2012
2:48 pm

I just called a few people and told them that we’re getting GREINKE! WOW!

Thanks Efrim for the news!

McFann :Ô: :Ô: :ô:

June 27th, 2012
2:48 pm

ncscoots That pretty much seals the deal that they’ll have to pry McCann’s Braves uni from his cold, dead hands.

Amen…

Now if we could just get Mark Bradley to say what Bowman said, we “McCann Groupies” cann go dancing in the streets!… :cool:

unbelievable

June 27th, 2012
2:49 pm

Greinke had an 2.56xFIP last season, which was actually his best year.

Farnsworthy

June 27th, 2012
2:49 pm

When he’s not pitching put Huddy in the 3 spot. Heck yeah, he can outhit most of our weak hitting position players. At least he can bunt reliably.

ncscoots

June 27th, 2012
2:49 pm

As was already posted the whole L-L hitter thing can be avoided easily.

I think even Fredo has realized that two lefties back-to-back isn’t catastrophic. Uggla is struggling, and McCann is getting his stroke back (I think), so I can see why he would move Uggla down a slot. While it’s true that such a minor change probably doesn’t help much, it’s also true that doing it doesn’t hurt, either, so why not?

DaveinNEPA

June 27th, 2012
2:50 pm

When Jason Heyward first cameto the big leagues 2 years ago,he as quickly touted to be the successor to Chipper as the 3 hole hitter in the Braves lineup. So far, that asn’t happened but maybe the time is now, not later.

AND, if I was making out the lineup, right now McCann would be hitting in the 7 hole until he hits his way out of it. Right now, he doesn’t add much to the offense. You leave Uggla in the 4 hole only because he’s been getting on base a lot even though he hasn’t been driving in as many runs as we like.

McFann :Ô: :Ô: :ô:

June 27th, 2012
2:50 pm

Bama Brave If Mark Bowman is right Brian MacCan will be in the Package for Zack Greinke. Thats What im thinking….

Don’t EVEN kid!…

Yes Way José

June 27th, 2012
2:50 pm

Are you really citing 6, 3, and 2 games averages? My Lord.

ncbravesfan90

June 27th, 2012
2:50 pm

“But that’s not what the circumstances of a Greinke deal would be. It would be for August and September… and that’s it. No 1.5 years of control. 2 months.”

I think Bowman said that’s the only way the Braves would do a deal for Greinke, is if they could sign him to an extension….

TennesseePaul

June 27th, 2012
2:51 pm

But that’s not what the circumstances of a Greinke deal would be.

So then you agree, no matter what happens there is no possible way it could be a “Tex-type deal.” Your initial statement is moot.

P B Orr

June 27th, 2012
2:52 pm

Contrast now this tale of posing and woe, with Chipper and Simmons – the former his head down, following the ball to the plate, swing level, making contact, and his poor legs won’t carry his big baseball soul around any more. What a guy. Worth a thousand Ugglas. And Simmons – all arms and legs and reaction and pure baseball fun. Great kid.

If only we could get shed of Uggla, McCann, and Francrisco.

AZBravoFan

June 27th, 2012
2:54 pm

remember Smoltz’s 1st half in ‘91? Awful. Then they brought in the shrink and we know what happened next. I’d like to think Minor or Delgado are still capable of that type of turnaround. Is Jack LLewellyn still around?

ChattTownBrian

June 27th, 2012
2:54 pm

Oh I thought we got him. Lying asses around here.

CrαZy

June 27th, 2012
2:54 pm

Line-ups…. line-ups… line-ups

:roll:

CrαZy

June 27th, 2012
2:54 pm

Line-ups…. line-ups… line-ups

:roll:

Efrim

June 27th, 2012
2:55 pm

I would think Greinke would command a little less than Cain though. Cain is a year younger and over the last 4 years has a sub-3 ERA, lower WHIP, etc.

It’s amazing how good Cain has been. Greinke will be out on the open market and I don’t think he’ll get too much less than 21-22 million a year like Cain did. 133 ERA+ for Cain last 4 years, 129 ERA+ for Greinke. Close, so I think the annual salary will be.

Bat Masterson

June 27th, 2012
2:55 pm

If Mark Bowman is right Brian MacCan will be in the Package for Zack Greinke. Thats What im thinking….

That should certainly help with Greinke’s anxiety issues. Thousands of pd off fans with tomahawks …. grrrh

Ritz

June 27th, 2012
2:55 pm

Fred – Freeeman was doing great in the 3 spot before his eye injury and hand injury. if we think he is healthy lets get him back in there.

I liked Freeman in the 3 spot too. He looks like a 300 hitter if he stays healthy so the 3 spot makes a lot of sense for him in the long run. I could see him working his way back to it.. or perhaps if Prado or Heyward start under performing for a stretch they’d simply trade places with the worst of the 3 batting 6th or 7th.

Del

June 27th, 2012
2:55 pm

RITZ… I’d flip-flop Chipper and Uggla. Need to get Uggla out of the four hole until he warms up again.

MikeInFl

June 27th, 2012
2:56 pm

Greinke had an 2.56xFIP last season, which was actually his best year. – unbelievable

I know. I just believe that stat overvalues strikeouts. I know, I’m a caveman :)

But if you wanna go by 2011 FIP, Matt Garza was a better pitcher than Greinke.

Efrim

June 27th, 2012
2:57 pm

Why would acquiring Greinke be a Tex type deal? Garza shouldn’t come near that and he’s controlled through 2013.

Murph

June 27th, 2012
2:58 pm

So then you agree, no matter what happens there is no possible way it could be a “Tex-type deal.” Your initial statement is moot.

Oh, so sorry I didn’t explain my categorization better. I have always thought of a “Tex-type deal” as one that depletes the minor leagues of most or all of its highly regarded prospects, not one that is specific down to the level of ball, number, names, country of origin, favorite ice cream flavor, lucky number, ability to pat one’s head while rubbing one’s stomach, Coke vs Pepsi preference, and position played.

I’ll speak in less general terms from now on so as not to offend.

Karl Hungus

June 27th, 2012
2:59 pm

“[The three spot is] the spot for the best and most important hitter in a lineup…”

Nope.

Murph

June 27th, 2012
2:59 pm

That should certainly help with Greinke’s anxiety issues. Thousands of pd off fans with tomahawks …. grrrh

But since none of them come out to watch the Braves play, he’d be none the wiser.

Efrim

June 27th, 2012
3:00 pm

I still think we have a shot to keep McCann, unless Bowman knows something about Brian or the organizations feelings about him.

Ease

June 27th, 2012
3:00 pm

Bring on Garzienke!

ncscoots

June 27th, 2012
3:00 pm

You can have Greinke or Bourn (maybe), but not both. I’d rather overpay Bourn, to tell you the truth.

TheOnlyBravesFan

June 27th, 2012
3:00 pm

That should certainly help with Greinke’s anxiety issues. Thousands of pd off fans with tomahawks …. grrrh

LOL. Greinke, meet George and Disgusted.

MFin04

June 27th, 2012
3:01 pm

“Fin said Minor and Delgado have had just as bad of a season as Jurrjens and I disagree”

False, I said months! Which was relatively accurate.

Ease

June 27th, 2012
3:02 pm

Tonight’s lineup vs. ARI – Bourn 8 Heyward 9 Prado 7 McCann 2 Uggla 4 Jones 5 Freeman 3 Simmons 6 Hanson 1

Danga

June 27th, 2012
3:02 pm

But if you wanna go by 2011 FIP, Matt Garza was a better pitcher than Greinke.

2.98 vs 2.95

I suppose that technically that is better.

CrαZyTrαDeMαN

June 27th, 2012
3:02 pm

Minor, Medlen and maybe a mid level player
for
Greinke

Only if we can extend him for the right price!! That wouldn’t be that bad of a deal. No way I over pay for someone that might lose their freaking mind under pressure!!

DePort

June 27th, 2012
3:03 pm

They better pay Bourn the money. .. Any one paid attention to him this year? … wow!

Efrim

June 27th, 2012
3:03 pm

Mark Bowman ‏@mlbbowman
Possible, but tight. Arb figures for Heyward and Hanson will influence @bobthemonkey Could Braves sign both Greinke and Bourn.

Is he serious? 35 million total for both is far away from “possible”, imo. Are the Braves going to spend like drunken sailors this year?

Ease

June 27th, 2012
3:03 pm

Same ole stupid lineup as last night. Ol’Fredo has broken up his streak of 73 different lineups…

DAP

June 27th, 2012
3:03 pm

$20mil per year for greinke? dont think so.

Ease

June 27th, 2012
3:04 pm

If not careful, this might read…

Possible, but tight. Arb figures for Heyward and Hanson will influence bobthemonkey

Efrim

June 27th, 2012
3:04 pm

False, I said months! Which was relatively accurate.

You said the word “season”, not months.

Danga

June 27th, 2012
3:04 pm

I’d rather overpay Bourn

Really? Position player over Pitcher? Less injury risk?

My thoughts are that you would definitely have to overpay to retain Bourn, but that you would probably be paying Greinke about what he is worth.

DePort

June 27th, 2012
3:04 pm

Has Atlanta given up on McCann? … Seriously people? … Stop putting him in your mock lineups at the bottom… that makes no sense… man I hate Atlanta fans in all sports… you all have to be the biggest idiots in America.

CrαZy

June 27th, 2012
3:05 pm

Ease

Wanna post a suggestion for Fredo… I think he takes all the suggestions he can when it comes to the lineup!!

ncscoots

June 27th, 2012
3:05 pm

Is he serious?

Define “serious”, LOL.

Same ole stupid lineup as last night.

Fredo is just messin’ with us.

Bat Masterson

June 27th, 2012
3:07 pm

Mark Bowman ‏@mlbbowman
Possible, but tight. Arb figures for Heyward and Hanson will influence @bobthemonkey Could Braves sign both Greinke and Bourn.

Thats nuts. The 1 maybe 2 million swing in arb is the deciding factor………….

:roll:

Trader Jack

June 27th, 2012
3:07 pm

Braves Lineup
1. Michael Bourn (L) CF
2. Jason Heyward (L) RF
3. Martin Prado (R) LF
4. Brian McCann (L) C
5. Dan Uggla (R) 2B
6. Chipper Jones (S) 3B
7. Freddie Freeman (L) 1B
8. Andrelton Simmons (R) SS
9. Tommy Hanson (R) P

Chris Vivlamore

June 27th, 2012
3:07 pm

Blog updated with lineup: Bourn 8, Heyward 9, Prado 7, McCann 2, Uggla 4, Jones 5, Freeman 3, Simmons 6, Hanson 1

TheOnlyBravesFan

June 27th, 2012
3:07 pm

Mac hitting 4th again? Dang it. Need Uggs to get hot and Mac in a mini slump (not really lol),so we can get Uggs back where he belongs. The Prado/Heyward thing I can live with. As long as they both hit.

Danga

June 27th, 2012
3:08 pm

$20mil per year for greinke?

Isn’t that what Cain just got?

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