Braves have had a void in No. 3 hole
(Staff writer Carroll Rogers is filling in for David O’Brien today.)
Leave it to yours truly to write about a dearth of offense at a certain spot in the lineup the morning after the Braves pile up 17 hits and eight runs on the Arizona Diamondbacks. They matched their season-high for a nine-inning game, after they got 17 hits on April 18 against the Mets.
Chipper's No. 3 spot hasn't been easy to fill
The Braves got two or more hits from seven of the nine hitters in the order last night and another base hit from pitcher Tim Hudson. Dan Uggla was the odd man out, going 0-for-4, though he did score a run after being hit by a pitch and balked to second base.
But yes, I’m going to pick on a spot in the order anyway – the No. 3 hole – because in the conversation about moving Jason Heyward up in the order yesterday, it became a hot topic and one I thought worth delving into a bit.
Many of you thought Fredi Gonzalez should have left Martin Prado in his second spot and put Heyward in the No. 3 hole, instead of what he did which was to put Heyward in the No. 2 hole and move Prado to No. 3.
Of course the way the game played out, who’s to argue much with how it worked out, but from talking to Fredi a little about it, I think he was just going for getting his three hottest hitters to the top of the lineup, and either way he was going to have back-to-back lefties, either with Michael Bourn and Heyward, or Heyward and Brian McCann.
So I think he just put his guy who’s been the more consistent all-around hitter this season in Prado in the No. 3 hole. And he probably liked getting Heyward and Bourn’s speed back-to-back there. I’m sure others of you like the power Heyward offers in the No. 3 hole, especially given his production of late.
But frankly, I don’t think Gonzalez knows exactly what to do with that spot right now. It’s the spot for the best and most important hitter in a lineup and so far this season, it’s been a black hole.
The Braves are hitting .205 from the No. 3 hole, lowest at any position in the order except for the pitchers’ spot (.154). Their .278 on-base percentage at the No. 3 hole is the lowest of any outside of the pitchers’ spot (.207). Even the .382 slugging is third-worst this side of the fifth hole (.357) and pitchers’ spot (.190).
Here’s a breakdown of who’s done what this season in the No. 3 hole for the Braves:
Player Games Batting Average, On-Base, Slugging
Freddie Freeman 38 .232/.298/.424
Brian McCann 24 .191/.255/.372
Chipper Jones 6 .100/.269/.250
Martin Prado 3 .250/.308/.250
Jason Heyward 2 .125/.222/.375
I also think a certain responsibility comes with hitting in the No. 3 spot and hitters know it, so there’s a mental side to it too. I know the mental side of the game often gets lost in the number-crunching in these kind of forums (smile), but maybe if you’re a manager you don’t necessarily thrust a young hitter in there, even a hot one, and assume everything will be smooth.
Just talking in general yesterday, not necessarily about Heyward, Gonzalez said: “Not everybody can hit third. You would think so, but mentally whatever it is, a No. 3 hole or a No. 4 hole, some guys don’t like that stuff.”
I do know Fredi thought about hitting Heyward third and maybe he does it again here soon. He originally made out four lineups yesterday and had Heyward hitting second in one, third in one, and fifth in two others. So we’ll keep an eye on that.
But my bigger point, is that Chipper Jones has made hitting third look easy for all these years, and I think what this tells us is that it’s not so simple just to plug somebody in there and assume he’s going to take off. It’s a demanding spot, and as we know, an important one.
Who’s on first?
Braves prospect Joey Terdoslavich was dealing with a double whammy this season – the challenge of skipping Double-A altogether as he started the season in Triple-A Gwinnett, and learning a new position on top of that – third base. It proved a little too much at one time, as Terdo hit only .180 while committing 22 errors in 53 games for Gwinnett.
Terdo is heating back up in Double-A
Since the Braves sent him to Mississippi, though, he’s taken off – hitting .353 (24-for-68) with 10 doubles, one homer, and 16 RBIs in his first 18 games. (Had to do a double-take on the doubles. Really? 10? Yes.)
As for the position, the Braves also decided to let him return to first base, to get comfortable more than anything else. But after he got his feet underneath him, they put him back at third base for a couple of games too. I asked assistant GM/farm director Bruce Manno about him yesterday, and he said the Braves haven’t made a decision on what they want to do with him position-wise, so for now they’ll let him do a little of both.
“We’re not ready to decide which one or how much more of one vs. the other,” Manno said. “We’ll see how it goes. We’re not tied into anything. We just want to make sure we get him in the most comfortable place.”
Flashback to Father’s Day
We had a lot going on Father’s Day here, since that was the day after Brandon Beachy left the Orioles game with an elbow injury, and I only got to mention briefly the awesome surprise Craig Kimbrel had given his father that day – surprising him on the field with a brand new Harley-Davidson Road King Classic motorcycle.
But I had a chance to ask him about it yesterday and thought I’d share. You know how Kimbrel always does the closest-to-the-pin golf game before first pitch? Well, he got his brothers and father in on a ruse, getting out there to do it on Father’s Day, so he could present him with the gift on the field.
Kimbrel said they let his dad Mike hit first. “He swung and missed on the first one,” Kimbrel said laughing, and explained his father looked up and watch the imaginary flight of his would-be ball. “He played it off pretty good.”
They gave him a mulligan and he hit again, this time a decent shot. That made it a little easier for his brothers
This is a Road King Classic. Photo from Harley-Davidson
Matt, Alan and Craig to all sandbag and let Mike win. That way, Craig could take the microphone and announce that his father had won a prize from the three brothers.
Mike didn’t see it at first, when they drove the Harley in from right field, but when they did, Kimbrel said he could see tears in his dad’s eyes.
“He’s had a 1980 Honda forever and he always fixes it up every year, getting it up and running again,” Kimbrel said. “And I figured I’d get him something he didn’t have to work on so much. He could enjoy.”
Apparently, he’s been doing quite a bit of that.
“I talked to my mom yesterday, and I haven’t been able to get in touch with dad for a few days,” Kimbrel said. “She said that’s because he’s been riding his bike everywhere.”
Lineup
1. Bourn 8
2. Heyward 9
3. Prado 7
4. McCann 2
5. Uggla 4
6. Jones 5
7. Freeman 3
8. Simmons 6
9. Hanson 1
1,427 comments Add your comment
Gustopher
June 27th, 2012
2:21 pm
First
Efrim
June 27th, 2012
2:23 pm
probably not, but you have been harping on his april all this time. besides, he wasnt good in the 2nd half, but it wasnt anything like this april.
Again, read the comments. MFin said Minor and Delgado have had just as bad of a season as Jurrjens and I disagree.
Efrim
June 27th, 2012
2:24 pm
Braves’ Wish List Starts with Greinke
The Braves will keep their starting rotation in place with the intention of spending the next two weeks determining how aggressive they should be leading up to the Trade Deadline. Barring a drastic change during this period, they will enter the All-Star break interested in the potential to land Milwaukee’s Zack Greinke via a trade and then sign him before he would be eligible to hit the free agent market at the end of this season.
With Tim Hudson and Tommy Hanson currently standing as the only reliable assets in their starting rotation, the Braves will likely make landing a starting pitcher a priority before the Trade Deadline. Greinke, Matt Garza, Ryan Dempster and Edinson Volquez would be among their potential targets.
But if the Braves reach a point where they are committed to land a starting pitcher they will target Greinke, who would be the top-of-the-rotation asset that could capably replace the injured Brandon Beachy and have the ability to compete in a postseason setting.
The Braves would like to avoid giving up the prospects that would be required to land Greinke. But they will likely be tempted to do so unless Jair Jurrjens spends the next couple of weeks proving last Friday’s start against the Red Sox was not a fluke.
But even if the Braves enter the break confident that Hudson, Hanson and Jurrjens will solidify the front end of their rotation for the remainder of the year, they still might be tempted to add another veteran presence to their rotation.
If the Brewers opt to trade Greinke, the Braves’ interest would hinge on being able to lock the former Cy Young Award winner up with a long-term contract. They are not interested in landing the right-hander to be a two-month rental. Under the terms of the new collective bargaining agreement, they would no longer be eligible to receive draft pick compensation if he exited as a free agent after this season.
This means the Braves would likely have to be willing to offer something similar to the contract recently signed by Matt Cain, who will be guaranteed $112.5 million over the course of the next five seasons (2013-17).
Though the Braves do not have much payroll flexibility this year, they have already discussed the potential of using the money budgeted for 2013 to address their needs via the trade market this year.
With Chipper Jones ($14 million), Derek Lowe ($15 million), Michael Bourn ($6.84 million) among those coming off of the payroll at the end of this year, the Braves will have some money to play with this winter. But some of these funds will be needed to either re-sign Bourn or acquire at least one more outfielder. – Mark Bowman
Ease
June 27th, 2012
2:26 pm
I want a hippopotamus for Christmas.
CrαZy
June 27th, 2012
2:26 pm
Why are so many people down on Teheran
I don’t think they are… maybe on here, but not to the people that matter (Braves F.O.)!! Still think he is the most untouchable of the younger pitchers. (Minor, Delgado, Teheran, Vizcaino. Gilmartin)
TheOnlyBravesFan
June 27th, 2012
2:26 pm
1st…. I’ll be there tonight!
cricket
June 27th, 2012
2:26 pm
glad to see that useless discussion continues on new blog. signal to leave the blog alone and get some work done.
CrαZy
June 27th, 2012
2:27 pm
Keep the JJ vs. Hanson talk on the old blog… please!!
TheOnlyBravesFan
June 27th, 2012
2:27 pm
wow,not even close….
Reposts from last blog
TheOnlyBravesFan
June 27th, 2012
2:21 pm
Ivana is the mother of Ivanka. Trump is Ivana’s ex-hubby and Ivanka’s daddy. Ivana is in her 60s at least, so it would be no surprise if you guys didn’t “like” her.
She’s 63, Ivanka is 30. ‘Nuff said I think
TheOnlyBravesFan
June 27th, 2012
2:24 pm
$17mil a season… for a catcher… on the wrong side of 30 (he’ll turn 30 the first year of this new contract)?
AL team will pay him that…. If the Braves want to bring him back, I think it’s gonna be around that price. With Molina to be getting 15mil per, don’t see Mac taking less than him.
TennesseePaul
June 27th, 2012
2:28 pm
____________IP___H__BB___K__ER__ERA__AVG__OBP__SLG__OPS
The bad. 090.1 120 042 053 072 7.17 .325 .394 .585 .979
The Good 605.1 549 200 426 195 2.90 .244 .307 .364 .671
TennesseePaul
June 27th, 2012
2:29 pm
Thanks for the work CR!
GO BRAVES!
Jimmy
June 27th, 2012
2:29 pm
Yeap, someone pulled the carcass over here with them.
Have at it boys.
TennesseePaul
June 27th, 2012
2:29 pm
Sorry, those numbers are the HoRam Rule splits for Jurrjens.
Efrim
June 27th, 2012
2:29 pm
I can’t see the Braves spending 20 million a year on any starting pitcher, but that’s just me. Nothing wrong with going for it this year and forgetting about the Greinke extension. 127.5 million over 6 years is a lot for any starter, even as one as good as Greinke.
Ritz
June 27th, 2012
2:30 pm
McCann should just be dropped to 5 (or more at this point really). Then you can have Heyward batting 3rd and Prado back at 2 so you keep the Bourn-Prado thing going. You also avoid any Lefty, Lefty combos that way since managers seem to love avoiding those.
Bourn – L
Prado – R
Heyward – L
Uggla – R
McCann – L
Chipper – S
Freeman – L
Simmons – R
Pitcher.
… Seems pretty obvious to me.
Murph
June 27th, 2012
2:31 pm
Is it true that Fredi really asked Heyward’s opinion on the lineup, showing him 3 different options?
Part of me likes this, given that Heyward is the team’s hottest hitter… but part of me thinks it’s ridiculous, that Fredi is the manager and it’s his job, no his players, to set the lineup.
Doesn’t really matter since it worked. All the more credit to Heyward I guess.
Bat Masterson
June 27th, 2012
2:31 pm
Leave all discussion of you know who at the blog city limits, or suffer being buffaloed and arrested.
Bat Masterson, Deputy US Marshall
Jimmy
June 27th, 2012
2:31 pm
“AL team will pay him that”
Exactly, because of the DH option. It would be ridiculous for the Braves to invest that kind of money and contract length.
Bat Masterson
June 27th, 2012
2:32 pm
Nice work, Carroll. Thanks
Ease
June 27th, 2012
2:32 pm
Only a hippopotamus will do.
TheOnlyBravesFan
June 27th, 2012
2:32 pm
Jurrjens last 7 starts of 2011
ERA BA OBP SLG OPS BAbip
5.88. 301 .376 .571 .947 .305
with 9 homers allowed, 27 ER,19 BB, 25SO, and 49 Hits in 41.1 Innings
Only Minor’s May was worse than that.
TennesseePaul
June 27th, 2012
2:33 pm
Oh and Efrim, if you want to bring up that example… make sure it is apt. 11 games vs 299 games (~1200 PA)… not apt in my book. I’m happy for the kid, but need to see it more before I’m sold. I have the same position on Jurrjens these days as well, need to see more good from him before I’m sold.
Murph
June 27th, 2012
2:33 pm
Nothing wrong with going for it this year and forgetting about the Greinke extension.
Well, that depends on what’s given up for the rental. If it’s a Tex-type deal where all of the good prospects are shipped off, I won’t be none too happy about it. If it’s reasonable and the team can keep at least one of Teheran or Delgado, then maybe.
I’ll be pretty upset if Teheran gets dealt no matter what, but more so if it’s just for a rental.
Efrim
June 27th, 2012
2:33 pm
The Braves would like to avoid giving up the prospects that would be required to land Greinke.
Would it really be that bad? No draft pick comp. 2 months, strictly a rental. I guess Sabean gave up Wheeler for Beltran, but I thought that was over the top.
I’d probably give up Minor for Greinke……
abeeewright
June 27th, 2012
2:34 pm
maybe braves should go with a ten man batting order and just skip the 3 spot each time through.
kind of like a hotel without the thirteenth floor.
shorty
June 27th, 2012
2:34 pm
Fire Fredi.Nuff Said!
abeeewright
June 27th, 2012
2:35 pm
speaking of curses, who got livan’s locker?
Gustopher
June 27th, 2012
2:35 pm
Great Blog Carroll. Will Chipper be returning to the 3 hole any time soon?
TennesseePaul
June 27th, 2012
2:36 pm
127.5 million over 6 years is a lot for any starter, even as one as good as Greinke.
It is rich, but eventually this club will have to hand that kind of deal out. The market for this level of talent in the majors is moving that way and with it, on the coat tails, is all the rest of the pitchers… Not so amazing guys are pulling in $9M now. If this club is going to compete, it will be paying big bucks for the good players. Doesn’t have to be a massive salary at every position, but there will be one some where.
Ease
June 27th, 2012
2:37 pm
Well if Bowman said so…
Mark Bowman @mlbbowman
Nothing has changed the odds of McCann being in ATL beyond 2013. Still think he’ll be elsewhere by the start of 2014
TheOnlyBravesFan
June 27th, 2012
2:38 pm
Greinke, Matt Garza, Ryan Dempster and Edinson Volquez would be among their potential targets.
Edinson Volquez is an interesting name. Played all of ‘08, his rookie year, appears to have been hurt in ‘09,’10, and part of ‘11. Never had a real solid year outside of ‘08, but he has been decent this year. Not really a #2-3 IMO.
TennesseePaul
June 27th, 2012
2:38 pm
If it’s a Tex-type deal where all of the good prospects are shipped off, I won’t be none too happy about it.
So, if the Braves have a chance to acquire the best pitcher on the market for 1.5 years of control in exchange for 3 or 4 players that are 3 back on the depth chart and largely in A ball, that’s too steep?
Ben
June 27th, 2012
2:38 pm
we ABSOLUTELY need a starter. not necessarily an ace like grienke can be, but at least a solid #3 guy like dempster or garza. After last 2 years where weve really only had like 2 starters fully healthy, we need another guy to come in for us at full strength. If we rely on JJ i give up as a fan lol its clear he’s not the same as he used to be and even if he is, we still need another starter, minor aint cuttin it
abeeewright
June 27th, 2012
2:39 pm
Efrim should just replace his blog moniker with “I’d give up Minor for …”
ncscoots
June 27th, 2012
2:40 pm
But frankly, I don’t think Gonzalez knows exactly what to do with that spot right now.
told you guys that he just over-thought it a little yesterday.
TheOnlyBravesFan
June 27th, 2012
2:41 pm
Mark Bowman @mlbbowman
Nothing has changed the odds of McCann being in ATL beyond 2013. Still think he’ll be elsewhere by the start of 2014
I agree with that. Hard to believe he’d stay here/Braves can afford to keep him here. (Don’t kill me McFann!)
unbelievable
June 27th, 2012
2:41 pm
Ease, if thats the case then the Braves need to lock up Bourn.
ncscoots
June 27th, 2012
2:42 pm
Well if Bowman said so…
That pretty much seals the deal that they’ll have to pry McCann’s Braves uni from his cold, dead hands.
MikeInFl
June 27th, 2012
2:42 pm
I can’t see the Braves spending 20 million a year on any starting pitcher, but that’s just me.
Agreed, Efrim. And while I know Greinke is talented, his ERA’s the last two seasons were 4.17 and 3.83. He had a great year in 2009, and is having a very good year this year.
The discussion is “Matt Cain Money” for him; well, his numbers don’t match up to that standard.
PureEvil
June 27th, 2012
2:42 pm
Fire Fredi.Nuff Said!
Good call now go away
Nate McLouth
June 27th, 2012
2:42 pm
Fredi: I am ready, willing and fully prepared to fill the #3 spot.
TennesseePaul
June 27th, 2012
2:42 pm
I would think Greinke would command a little less than Cain though. Cain is a year younger and over the last 4 years has a sub-3 ERA, lower WHIP, etc.
drumz
June 27th, 2012
2:42 pm
As was already posted the whole L-L hitter thing can be avoided easily.
Bourn
Prado
Heyward
Uggla
McCann
Chipper
Freeman
Simmons
abeeewright
June 27th, 2012
2:43 pm
Bowman clearly miised the boat with his “McCann in 2013″ post. The Mayans said that there won’t be a 2013.
Abnerish
June 27th, 2012
2:44 pm
What’s wrong with asking a player his opinion? He wasn’t letting him make the decision, just asking for input. I see nothing wrong with that. In fact, I think that is probably well received in the clubhouse. As a player, I would think they would like to believe their Manager cares what they think. Same applies to Fredi asking Hudson his opinion on pitching the 9th last night. Some on this blog were giving Fredi grief for that. That’s absurd. That was Fredi giving respect to a veteran pitcher. He would have never done that with Minor or Delgado.
TheOnlyBravesFan
June 27th, 2012
2:44 pm
I have an idea…. since our 3-hole hits so bad, put the pitcher there. It’s a radical idea!
DAM
June 27th, 2012
2:45 pm
Ritz — exactly. It is obvious … which is why it’s so hard for Fredi to figure it out.
Michael Berry
June 27th, 2012
2:45 pm
Uggla in the 4 hole…absolutely not. He’s a rally killer. No way to you bat Uggla ahead of Chipper, McCann or Freeman.
Fred
June 27th, 2012
2:46 pm
Freeeman was doing great in the 3 spot before his eye injury and hand injury. if we think he is healthy lets get him back in there.
Bourn L
Prado R
Freeman L
Heyward L
Uggla R
Jones S
McCann L
Simmons R
Pitcher
or ever think about this
Bourn L
Simmons R
Heyward L
Uggla R
Prado R
Freeman L
Jones S
McCann L
Pitcher
Simmons has speed and has been hot so far and put Prado in a run producing spot. Jones is coming around since his latest injury. ou have to admit McCann has been terrible all season.
Murph
June 27th, 2012
2:46 pm
So, if the Braves have a chance to acquire the best pitcher on the market for 1.5 years of control in exchange for 3 or 4 players that are 3 back on the depth chart and largely in A ball, that’s too steep?
But that’s not what the circumstances of a Greinke deal would be. It would be for August and September… and that’s it. No 1.5 years of control. 2 months.
And, unfortunately, the only prospects in the Braves system that would appeal in a deal for one of the best starters in the league are not A ball players… they are young AAA or MLB players. Teheran, Delgado, Minor, etc. There are no highly-regarded prospects in A or AA that could become the cornerstone of the deal.
P B Orr
June 27th, 2012
2:47 pm
Did you see Uggla, strutting and preening his usual way to the plate, his stupid exaggerated mannerisms at the plate, adjusting his 15 pounds of batting equipment, chaw in place, blinking and unshaven – all that drama and posing an fretting and for what? He missed a pitch by 8 inches – it passed under the knob of his bat while his head was somewhere on Venus or the Moon or some halter-topped chick in the upper deck – behind the plate. What a damn waste of a batting spot.
And McCann? Permanent befuddlement, absolute confusion, iron-fisted stubbornness.
Efrim
June 27th, 2012
2:48 pm
Oh and Efrim, if you want to bring up that example… make sure it is apt. 11 games vs 299 games (~1200 PA)… not apt in my book.
Of course it isn’t for you. Good lord, reeelax.
Bama Brave
June 27th, 2012
2:48 pm
If Mark Bowman is right Brian MacCan will be in the Package for Zack Greinke. Thats What im thinking….
ChattTownBrian
June 27th, 2012
2:48 pm
I just called a few people and told them that we’re getting GREINKE! WOW!
Thanks Efrim for the news!
McFann :Ô: :Ô: :ô:
June 27th, 2012
2:48 pm
ncscoots That pretty much seals the deal that they’ll have to pry McCann’s Braves uni from his cold, dead hands.
Amen…
Now if we could just get Mark Bradley to say what Bowman said, we “McCann Groupies” cann go dancing in the streets!…
unbelievable
June 27th, 2012
2:49 pm
Greinke had an 2.56xFIP last season, which was actually his best year.
Farnsworthy
June 27th, 2012
2:49 pm
When he’s not pitching put Huddy in the 3 spot. Heck yeah, he can outhit most of our weak hitting position players. At least he can bunt reliably.
ncscoots
June 27th, 2012
2:49 pm
As was already posted the whole L-L hitter thing can be avoided easily.
I think even Fredo has realized that two lefties back-to-back isn’t catastrophic. Uggla is struggling, and McCann is getting his stroke back (I think), so I can see why he would move Uggla down a slot. While it’s true that such a minor change probably doesn’t help much, it’s also true that doing it doesn’t hurt, either, so why not?
DaveinNEPA
June 27th, 2012
2:50 pm
When Jason Heyward first cameto the big leagues 2 years ago,he as quickly touted to be the successor to Chipper as the 3 hole hitter in the Braves lineup. So far, that asn’t happened but maybe the time is now, not later.
AND, if I was making out the lineup, right now McCann would be hitting in the 7 hole until he hits his way out of it. Right now, he doesn’t add much to the offense. You leave Uggla in the 4 hole only because he’s been getting on base a lot even though he hasn’t been driving in as many runs as we like.
McFann :Ô: :Ô: :ô:
June 27th, 2012
2:50 pm
Bama Brave If Mark Bowman is right Brian MacCan will be in the Package for Zack Greinke. Thats What im thinking….
Don’t EVEN kid!…
Yes Way José
June 27th, 2012
2:50 pm
Are you really citing 6, 3, and 2 games averages? My Lord.
ncbravesfan90
June 27th, 2012
2:50 pm
“But that’s not what the circumstances of a Greinke deal would be. It would be for August and September… and that’s it. No 1.5 years of control. 2 months.”
I think Bowman said that’s the only way the Braves would do a deal for Greinke, is if they could sign him to an extension….
TennesseePaul
June 27th, 2012
2:51 pm
But that’s not what the circumstances of a Greinke deal would be.
So then you agree, no matter what happens there is no possible way it could be a “Tex-type deal.” Your initial statement is moot.
P B Orr
June 27th, 2012
2:52 pm
Contrast now this tale of posing and woe, with Chipper and Simmons – the former his head down, following the ball to the plate, swing level, making contact, and his poor legs won’t carry his big baseball soul around any more. What a guy. Worth a thousand Ugglas. And Simmons – all arms and legs and reaction and pure baseball fun. Great kid.
If only we could get shed of Uggla, McCann, and Francrisco.
AZBravoFan
June 27th, 2012
2:54 pm
remember Smoltz’s 1st half in ‘91? Awful. Then they brought in the shrink and we know what happened next. I’d like to think Minor or Delgado are still capable of that type of turnaround. Is Jack LLewellyn still around?
ChattTownBrian
June 27th, 2012
2:54 pm
Oh I thought we got him. Lying asses around here.
CrαZy
June 27th, 2012
2:54 pm
Line-ups…. line-ups… line-ups
CrαZy
June 27th, 2012
2:54 pm
Line-ups…. line-ups… line-ups
Efrim
June 27th, 2012
2:55 pm
I would think Greinke would command a little less than Cain though. Cain is a year younger and over the last 4 years has a sub-3 ERA, lower WHIP, etc.
It’s amazing how good Cain has been. Greinke will be out on the open market and I don’t think he’ll get too much less than 21-22 million a year like Cain did. 133 ERA+ for Cain last 4 years, 129 ERA+ for Greinke. Close, so I think the annual salary will be.
Bat Masterson
June 27th, 2012
2:55 pm
If Mark Bowman is right Brian MacCan will be in the Package for Zack Greinke. Thats What im thinking….
That should certainly help with Greinke’s anxiety issues. Thousands of pd off fans with tomahawks …. grrrh
Ritz
June 27th, 2012
2:55 pm
Fred – Freeeman was doing great in the 3 spot before his eye injury and hand injury. if we think he is healthy lets get him back in there.
I liked Freeman in the 3 spot too. He looks like a 300 hitter if he stays healthy so the 3 spot makes a lot of sense for him in the long run. I could see him working his way back to it.. or perhaps if Prado or Heyward start under performing for a stretch they’d simply trade places with the worst of the 3 batting 6th or 7th.
Del
June 27th, 2012
2:55 pm
RITZ… I’d flip-flop Chipper and Uggla. Need to get Uggla out of the four hole until he warms up again.
MikeInFl
June 27th, 2012
2:56 pm
Greinke had an 2.56xFIP last season, which was actually his best year. – unbelievable
I know. I just believe that stat overvalues strikeouts. I know, I’m a caveman
But if you wanna go by 2011 FIP, Matt Garza was a better pitcher than Greinke.
Efrim
June 27th, 2012
2:57 pm
Why would acquiring Greinke be a Tex type deal? Garza shouldn’t come near that and he’s controlled through 2013.
Murph
June 27th, 2012
2:58 pm
So then you agree, no matter what happens there is no possible way it could be a “Tex-type deal.” Your initial statement is moot.
Oh, so sorry I didn’t explain my categorization better. I have always thought of a “Tex-type deal” as one that depletes the minor leagues of most or all of its highly regarded prospects, not one that is specific down to the level of ball, number, names, country of origin, favorite ice cream flavor, lucky number, ability to pat one’s head while rubbing one’s stomach, Coke vs Pepsi preference, and position played.
I’ll speak in less general terms from now on so as not to offend.
Karl Hungus
June 27th, 2012
2:59 pm
“[The three spot is] the spot for the best and most important hitter in a lineup…”
Nope.
Murph
June 27th, 2012
2:59 pm
That should certainly help with Greinke’s anxiety issues. Thousands of pd off fans with tomahawks …. grrrh
But since none of them come out to watch the Braves play, he’d be none the wiser.
Efrim
June 27th, 2012
3:00 pm
I still think we have a shot to keep McCann, unless Bowman knows something about Brian or the organizations feelings about him.
Ease
June 27th, 2012
3:00 pm
Bring on Garzienke!
ncscoots
June 27th, 2012
3:00 pm
You can have Greinke or Bourn (maybe), but not both. I’d rather overpay Bourn, to tell you the truth.
TheOnlyBravesFan
June 27th, 2012
3:00 pm
That should certainly help with Greinke’s anxiety issues. Thousands of pd off fans with tomahawks …. grrrh
LOL. Greinke, meet George and Disgusted.
MFin04
June 27th, 2012
3:01 pm
“Fin said Minor and Delgado have had just as bad of a season as Jurrjens and I disagree”
False, I said months! Which was relatively accurate.
Ease
June 27th, 2012
3:02 pm
Tonight’s lineup vs. ARI – Bourn 8 Heyward 9 Prado 7 McCann 2 Uggla 4 Jones 5 Freeman 3 Simmons 6 Hanson 1
Danga
June 27th, 2012
3:02 pm
But if you wanna go by 2011 FIP, Matt Garza was a better pitcher than Greinke.
2.98 vs 2.95
I suppose that technically that is better.
CrαZyTrαDeMαN
June 27th, 2012
3:02 pm
Minor, Medlen and maybe a mid level player
for
Greinke
Only if we can extend him for the right price!! That wouldn’t be that bad of a deal. No way I over pay for someone that might lose their freaking mind under pressure!!
DePort
June 27th, 2012
3:03 pm
They better pay Bourn the money. .. Any one paid attention to him this year? … wow!
Efrim
June 27th, 2012
3:03 pm
Mark Bowman @mlbbowman
Possible, but tight. Arb figures for Heyward and Hanson will influence @bobthemonkey Could Braves sign both Greinke and Bourn.
Is he serious? 35 million total for both is far away from “possible”, imo. Are the Braves going to spend like drunken sailors this year?
Ease
June 27th, 2012
3:03 pm
Same ole stupid lineup as last night. Ol’Fredo has broken up his streak of 73 different lineups…
DAP
June 27th, 2012
3:03 pm
$20mil per year for greinke? dont think so.
Ease
June 27th, 2012
3:04 pm
If not careful, this might read…
Possible, but tight. Arb figures for Heyward and Hanson will influence bobthemonkey
Efrim
June 27th, 2012
3:04 pm
False, I said months! Which was relatively accurate.
You said the word “season”, not months.
Danga
June 27th, 2012
3:04 pm
I’d rather overpay Bourn
Really? Position player over Pitcher? Less injury risk?
My thoughts are that you would definitely have to overpay to retain Bourn, but that you would probably be paying Greinke about what he is worth.
DePort
June 27th, 2012
3:04 pm
Has Atlanta given up on McCann? … Seriously people? … Stop putting him in your mock lineups at the bottom… that makes no sense… man I hate Atlanta fans in all sports… you all have to be the biggest idiots in America.
CrαZy
June 27th, 2012
3:05 pm
Ease
Wanna post a suggestion for Fredo… I think he takes all the suggestions he can when it comes to the lineup!!
ncscoots
June 27th, 2012
3:05 pm
Is he serious?
Define “serious”, LOL.
Same ole stupid lineup as last night.
Fredo is just messin’ with us.
Bat Masterson
June 27th, 2012
3:07 pm
Mark Bowman @mlbbowman
Possible, but tight. Arb figures for Heyward and Hanson will influence @bobthemonkey Could Braves sign both Greinke and Bourn.
Thats nuts. The 1 maybe 2 million swing in arb is the deciding factor………….
Trader Jack
June 27th, 2012
3:07 pm
Braves Lineup
1. Michael Bourn (L) CF
2. Jason Heyward (L) RF
3. Martin Prado (R) LF
4. Brian McCann (L) C
5. Dan Uggla (R) 2B
6. Chipper Jones (S) 3B
7. Freddie Freeman (L) 1B
8. Andrelton Simmons (R) SS
9. Tommy Hanson (R) P
Chris Vivlamore
June 27th, 2012
3:07 pm
Blog updated with lineup: Bourn 8, Heyward 9, Prado 7, McCann 2, Uggla 4, Jones 5, Freeman 3, Simmons 6, Hanson 1
TheOnlyBravesFan
June 27th, 2012
3:07 pm
Mac hitting 4th again? Dang it. Need Uggs to get hot and Mac in a mini slump (not really lol),so we can get Uggs back where he belongs. The Prado/Heyward thing I can live with. As long as they both hit.
Danga
June 27th, 2012
3:08 pm
$20mil per year for greinke?
Isn’t that what Cain just got?
CrαZy
June 27th, 2012
3:09 pm
Deport
Only a freaking moron would think the wackos on this blg represent ATL fans. You need to take a look at other teams blogs.
CrαZy
June 27th, 2012
3:09 pm
blog
TheOnlyBravesFan
June 27th, 2012
3:10 pm
How much money we have coming free next year? I see anywhere from 25mil to 45 mil. I could see 12-13 mil for Bourn and another 15mil at least for Greinke (seems alot for the Braves to invest in a pitcher though)
ncscoots
June 27th, 2012
3:10 pm
My thoughts are that you would definitely have to overpay to retain Bourn, but that you would probably be paying Greinke about what he is worth.
I’d agree with that. and I’m not keen on loading up salary on a legs guy, at Bourn’s age. But, big picture, I like the pitching enough that I’d throw my wallet the the other direction. That doesn’t mean I don’t think another quality starter wouldn’t be useful, just that I think LF and CF in 2013 deserve more focus than a 2012 pitcher.
Hey, if we’re lucky, they do it all, LOL. No complaint from me.
MFin04
June 27th, 2012
3:10 pm
“You said the word “season”, not months”
Nope, posted stats for months and used the word months numerous times, but if you want to try and cherry pick…go ahead. All three have had bad MONTHS.
Eric in Tampa
June 27th, 2012
3:11 pm
As much as the Braves lineup is struggling, could be worse. Te Rays have Brooks Conrad hitting cleanup today
Danga
June 27th, 2012
3:12 pm
I like the pitching enough that I’d throw my wallet the the other direction
Gotcha. That makes sense.
MikeInFl
June 27th, 2012
3:12 pm
Saw Brooksie belt a HR last night for the Rays…
MFin04
June 27th, 2012
3:12 pm
Braves Lineup:
1. Michael Bourn (L) CF
2. Jason Heyward (L) RF
3. Martin Prado (R) LF
4. Brian McCann (L) C
5. Dan Uggla (R) 2B
6. Chipper Jones (S) 3B
7. Freddie Freeman (L) 1B
8. Andrelton Simmons (R) SS
9. Tommy Hanson (R) P
Hey, it worked out last night. Must suck to be Uggla when everyone else is getting 2 or 3 hits and you can’t get one. The HBP and run should make him feel a little better.
NitroTwinkie
June 27th, 2012
3:12 pm
We talk about the mental side of the game, but I’m not sure we talk about it enough. That’s HUGE!!!
You’re 3-hole hitter needs the average, needs the power, needs the plate presence (as well as plate discipline), needs to be respected by umps and will get calls, needs to be able to diagnose pitchers well and report back to the dugout properly, needs to be the best at situational hitting, and needs to lead.
Who does this on out team?
No one.
Who does this best on our team?
Chipper.
He doesn’t have the power anymore and needs to be out once every 4 games, but he has really only hit in his hallowed spot in the order while coming back from injuries this season or when he had Brian right behind him (while DEEP in his own slump) with no one on base and pitchers were attacking him diligently. Chipper needs, and has earned, the right to be our leader one last season when he is healthy and has his timing correct. NOT after not seeing major league (or, heck, even live) pitching in weeks.
ChulaDawg
June 27th, 2012
3:14 pm
With the struggles B-Mac is having, along with the grind of catching, I would like for him to be hitting in the seven spot and Freddie Freeman in the 5th spot. Move Uggla back to 4th.
McFann :Ô: :Ô: :ô:
June 27th, 2012
3:16 pm
Efrim unless Bowman knows something about Brian or the organizations feelings about him.
Don’t like the way that sounds…
ncbravesfan90
June 27th, 2012
3:17 pm
“Is he serious? 35 million total for both is far away from “possible”, imo. Are the Braves going to spend like drunken sailors this year?”
Id say he’s real serious. There is alot alot of money coming off the books after this year. The Braves will spend, spend, spend at the deadline and/or in the offseason. Feels nice to know we can actually make multiple moves at the deadline and offseason and not have the money constraint on us.
NickB
June 27th, 2012
3:17 pm
Why do so many folks on here have this view that Greinke isn’t an elite pitcher? He is….
ncscoots
June 27th, 2012
3:18 pm
Don’t like the way that sounds…
McFann, don’t worry. Bowman hasn’t been right since The Flood, and that was only because Noah showed him The Ark.
King Arthur should buy Braves
June 27th, 2012
3:18 pm
So, how much are the Braves owners going to spend on the Braves out of that $950 million court victory? (if they actually were paid that amount today, which they will not be)
Absolutely none.
Arkansas Transplant
June 27th, 2012
3:18 pm
Greinke is not coming to the Braves.. certainly not for 22mil a year.
Karl Hungus
June 27th, 2012
3:18 pm
Are there people here who really don’t like this lineup? @ncscoots @ease
TennesseePaul
June 27th, 2012
3:20 pm
Last 9 Starts of the Starting 9
_________AVG__OBP__SLG___OPS_wOBA_L9S9+
Bourn__ .268 .268 .390 0.659 .283 ___83
Heyward .485 .486 .909 1.395 .570 __280
Prado__ .297 .333 .432 0.766 .335 __114
McCann_ .216 .256 .351 0.608 .247 ___69
Uggla__ .125 .243 .125 0.368 .156 ___10
Chipper .257 .333 .343 0.676 .308 ___92
Freeman .278 .316 .417 0.732 .321 __105
Simmons .344 .333 .438 0.771 .331 __115
Hanson_ .000 .000 .000 0.000 .000 _-100
ncscoots
June 27th, 2012
3:20 pm
Are there people here who really don’t like this lineup?
Been reading The Book, have you?
There’s no @ sign in my moniker, thank you. I mean, if you’re going to address me personally.
throw, hit, catch....hasn't changed in 130 years
June 27th, 2012
3:20 pm
we want a (relief) pitcher, not a belly itcher!
sic em
June 27th, 2012
3:21 pm
go get em ncscoots
No Flag Since Lemke
June 27th, 2012
3:23 pm
Bourn’s gone at the end of the season for so many reasons (1) Boras client (2) glut of CF’s on the open market this winter (3) He disappears in big games ala Tex in his Brave days – pretty but meaningless stats.
MFin04
June 27th, 2012
3:25 pm
“Are there people here who really don’t like this lineup?”
There are some weird parts about it, like McCann in front of Uggla and Heyward in front of Prado but it worked last night, so you don’t change it.
Efrim
June 27th, 2012
3:26 pm
Nope, posted stats for months and used the word months numerous times, but if you want to try and cherry pick…go ahead. All three have had bad MONTHS.
Your comment that started it: Delgado and Teheran were worse in Spring Training. And Minor and Delgado have been worse this season.
Should have said “at times”….
ncscoots
June 27th, 2012
3:27 pm
but it worked last night, so you don’t change it.
“Yes, I know there’s a hole in the boat, but it didn’t sink last night, so don’t plug it.”
TennesseePaul
June 27th, 2012
3:27 pm
I’ll speak in less general terms from now on so as not to offend.
Please Murph, don’t do that. What’s the point of it all if you are going to attempt not to offend? ( :
I never saw that deal as depleting the system. Nor have I ever viewed it as one of the worst deals ever. Teixeira was incredible as a Brave. Couldn’t have asked for more from him. It’s just a shame the rest of the team stunk. And I still remember that deal like it was yesterday, which keeps fresh in my mind that Salty was the “big chip” in that deal. And I had no problems giving him up as he was blocked by McCann. So if the big chip in a Grienke deal is a player blocked by a perennial all star at his position for the next 5+ seasons, trade away, even if it is only for 2 months. I’d be happy with a World Series title.
MikeY
June 27th, 2012
3:27 pm
I agree, we need a relief pitcher, then move Medlen to the rotation.
I like Brandon Lyon, ERA 2.79, WHIP 1.28. Should not be expensive, money or prospects-wise.
Rick
June 27th, 2012
3:27 pm
Eric in Tampa, granted he’s only been with them for 5 games, Brooks has been scorching with the Rays. 385/429/769 line.
Efrim
June 27th, 2012
3:28 pm
Last 9 Starts of the Starting 9
Can we exclude Heyward and just wait until October 5th?
Rick
June 27th, 2012
3:29 pm
“He disappears in big games ala Tex in his Brave days – pretty but meaningless stats.”
What stats are you using to support this? And what constitutes a big game? They all count the same.
Efrim
June 27th, 2012
3:30 pm
I never saw that deal as depleting the system.
Not that we knew what we had, but in June of 2007 we drafted Heyward and Freeman and in July we signed Teheran. Might of made JS pull the trigger…….
timS
June 27th, 2012
3:30 pm
gotta love all the arm chair managers. just glad to get a win now if they win tonight then its a streak. happy to see big baby freeman back in line up still think he’s a wimp hate to see how long he would sit if got a splinter
TennesseePaul
June 27th, 2012
3:31 pm
Why do so many folks on here have this view that Greinke isn’t an elite pitcher? He is….
I like Greinke. Think he would be great on this team. But I must admit, for some reason, in the back of my mind, I see Jake Peavy. Now that would have been a bad trade (Heyward and Hanson for Peavy… or something along those lines).
MFin04
June 27th, 2012
3:31 pm
Efrim – You made me laugh with the wink. Lol. Let’s just say they’ve all been bad…at times.. Heck Tommy Hanson had that 4 homer game.
I’m hoping the offense can get going any help all 5 of these pitchers. I mean look at Hudson when he had that lead. Just went after hitter after hitter.
ChattTownBrian
June 27th, 2012
3:32 pm
Rangers will end up with Greinke anyways. We’ll end up with the wild Liriano.
ncscoots
June 27th, 2012
3:33 pm
Now that would have been a bad trade (Heyward and Hanson for Peavy… or something along those lines).
Hanson, for sure. And I admit to have been ready to pull that particular trigger. Or close to it, at least.
Blaze
June 27th, 2012
3:34 pm
RITZ is right on !! Here is the line-up………..McCann should just be dropped to 5 (or more at this point really). Then you can have Heyward batting 3rd and Prado back at 2 so you keep the Bourn-Prado thing going. You also avoid any Lefty, Lefty combos that way since managers seem to love avoiding those.
Bourn – L
Prado – R
Heyward – L
Uggla – R
McCann – L
Chipper – S
Freeman – L
Simmons – R
Pitcher.
RITZ for Manager!
Karl Hungus
June 27th, 2012
3:35 pm
My bad, ncscoots without an @. Why do you dislike the lineup. Or, on a larger scale, since you’re familiar with The Book, why do you disagree with how it suggests lineups be optimized?
TennesseePaul
June 27th, 2012
3:35 pm
Not that we knew what we had, but in June of 2007 we drafted Heyward and Freeman and in July we signed Teheran. Might of made JS pull the trigger…….
That and the depth chart. Traded some guys way down low in the minors who were 3 or 4 back on the depth chart. The one guy with MLB experience was blocked by McCann. I’m certain it will take some quality talent to acquire Greinke, but I doubt it would take all the young guys with MLB experience. The Brewers could ask that, but they would never get that from any team.
TheOnlyBravesFan
June 27th, 2012
3:35 pm
calling out arm chair managers, then calling out Freddie Freeman. Gotta love it.
Anyways guys, I’m out, heading down to the Ted tonight, gonna try to bring home a W for ya guys. I’ll post a lil bit from my phone, but probably not much during the game (cuz I’m well, at the game)
I’ll be around.
Peace
Efrim
June 27th, 2012
3:36 pm
Hanson, for sure. And I admit to have been ready to pull that particular trigger. Or close to it, at least.
I was against that.
I’ll admit to Delgado for 2 months of Beltran, though…
nolie
June 27th, 2012
3:37 pm
Bowman talking like a fool again about Greinke and Mac, especially Greinke. Best way to read his original stuff that he comes up with on his own, is to put a big NOT after whatever he says….
Efrim
June 27th, 2012
3:38 pm
I think it’d cost Mike Minor and 2 more prospects for Greinke……
Not really kidding either. 2 months of him with no draft pick isn’t worth more than that. Obviously the “2 prospects” matters quite a bit though.
I think Garza would cost more.
TheOnlyBravesFan
June 27th, 2012
3:38 pm
Rangers will end up with Greinke anyways. We’ll end up with the wild Liriano.
The Rangers still need pitching? They’re due to get all their “good” arms back from the DL before the deadline. But with that FO, you never know.
ncscoots
June 27th, 2012
3:38 pm
why do you disagree with how it suggests lineups be optimized?
Maybe another day, Karl. Honestly, I just don’t have the energy today, LOL, and we just had a little of that action yesterday. Can I get a raincheck?
Efrim
June 27th, 2012
3:39 pm
And I’d rather take a shot with Liriano than to trade for Edinson Volquez.
TheOnlyBravesFan
June 27th, 2012
3:39 pm
Hanson, for sure. And I admit to have been ready to pull that particular trigger. Or close to it, at least.
I was against that.
I’ll admit to Delgado for 2 months of Beltran, though…
I was against the Peavy trade…. and against the Beltran…. even for Minor. Don’t like trading within the division.
Murph
June 27th, 2012
3:39 pm
Let’s see… 3 of the Braves traded (Salty, Harrison, Andrus) were in the BA Top 100 for 2007. The Braves had 4 players in the top 100 that year (Brent Lillibridge being the other).
Feliz made his debut in the Top 100 in 2008.
At the time the trade was made it absolutely depleted the team of its top prospect talent. Back to my original point, should a trade for 2 months of Greinke do the same, I will not be happy.
Getting Greinke doesn’t guarantee a WS title in 2012. It maybe ups the odds, but it’s not a guarantee. Losing a handful of top prospects also doesn’t guarantee that the system will be hurting for years to come, but it ups the odds.
1991 braves
June 27th, 2012
3:40 pm
Braves don’t have a #3 or #4 hitter now. McCant and Uggla leave too many R.I.S.P., and for 2 totally different reasons. McCant has never learned how to hit the ball up the middle or to the opposite field. It’s a shame the braves don’t have a legit hitting coach that could have taught McCant how to hit the ball to all fields. This guy continues to pull everything even when teams have a shift against him. Some players just never learn, and unfortunately he is one of them, and because of this lack of adjusting, his average continues to drop. As for Ugly, this guy is the true definition of insanity. Which is to continue to do the same thing over and over again and expect different results=INSANE. This guy swigs for the fences on every swing, and with his ridiculous upper cut swing, there is a reason he either hits a home run or pops up everytime he hits the ball. That is whenever he hits the ball. If this guy had a clue on how to shorten his stoke and trying to just get good contact on the ball, he would be amazed at the results.Yet again, no hitting coach with any intelligence helping this lost free swinger. There is a reason this guy goes into his half the season slumps, it’s called never adjusting to pitchers and always swinging for the home run. Like Mccant, this guy hasn’t hit a ball to right field in along time, if he would shorten his swing and just hit the ball where it is pitched, he would become a bigtime major league hitter. So if the braves think they will make the playoffs with so many question marks, and especially with no legit #3 or #4 hitter in lineup, then God help them. It ain’t gonna happen.
Efrim
June 27th, 2012
3:40 pm
Samardzija is starting to really struggle. I still love our chances this entire homestand. I got a feelin….
Venice Jim
June 27th, 2012
3:40 pm
Buster Olney @Buster_ESPN
Andy Pettitte out six weeks with a left ankle fracture, Yankees announce.
Ron
June 27th, 2012
3:41 pm
I think Freeman if he is healthy should be the #3 hitter, as the article said the #3 hitter has a mental side to it besides the hitting and I think Freeman is our best choice in that regard. As for another starting pitcher, I think the Braves should go after any pitcher that helps the rotation and does not kill the minors as that Texeria deal did. For any SP worth anything you are gonna have to pay the market price.
nolie
June 27th, 2012
3:41 pm
it absolutely depleted the team of its top prospect talent….murph
McFann :Ô: :Ô: :ô:
June 27th, 2012
3:42 pm
ncscoots Bowman hasn’t been right since The Flood, and that was only because Noah showed him The Ark.
Hahaha!…
Karl Hungus
June 27th, 2012
3:42 pm
Hah, I’ll check out the comments from yesterday. I don’t get on these threads very often, but I’ll look out for you next time.
ozzie
June 27th, 2012
3:42 pm
Great win, lots of hits but AZ sucks so there is that aspect. The lack of hitting keeps rearing its ugly head whenever this team faces decent to good pitching.
Hats off to Hudson pitching hurt. Not sure if it was force of will or cortisone but he came through. Now let’s see if he can pitch again on regular rest. Bone spurs in the ankle will need to come out sooner or later.
TheOnlyBravesFan
June 27th, 2012
3:44 pm
And I’d rather take a shot with Liriano than to trade for Edinson Volquez.
Agree.
Ted
June 27th, 2012
3:44 pm
“But frankly, I don’t think Gonzalez knows exactly what to do”
Put a period at the end of this little blurb and Carroll would have nailed the primary reason why the Braves failed to make the playoffs last year and have been scuffling this year.
It isn’t just deciding who to put in the 3 hole where Fredi is lacking as a manager – its pretty much in all facets (except excuse-making – he’s great at that).
ncscoots
June 27th, 2012
3:44 pm
if he would shorten his swing and just hit the ball where it is pitched,
Some folks here would want Ted freakin’ Williams to “shorten his swing” and “hit to all fields”, I swear.
Jimmy
June 27th, 2012
3:46 pm
Rangers just called up their own young stud pitcher.
TheOnlyBravesFan
June 27th, 2012
3:47 pm
Buster Olney @Buster_ESPN
Andy Pettitte out six weeks with a left ankle fracture, Yankees announce.
Shame
CrαZy
June 27th, 2012
3:47 pm
Mark Bowman now that’s a man that should stay away from a buffet!!
DAP
June 27th, 2012
3:47 pm
i dont think grienke would be worth $20mil. im not convinced any pitcher is worth that.
ncscoots
June 27th, 2012
3:47 pm
Karl, any time, man. It’s a fun bunch here, you’ll like ‘em.
MFin04
June 27th, 2012
3:48 pm
“I’ll admit to Delgado for 2 months of Beltran, though…”
Still, sign me up for that!
“Edinson Volquez”
Always liked the way he looks on the mound.
Efrim
June 27th, 2012
3:49 pm
Braves had a ton still in the minors when the Tex trade was made. Think of all the young players currently on the roster.
Murph
June 27th, 2012
3:50 pm
really? they were almost all behind other players at the time
So you’re saying that, last season, Teheran wasn’t regarded as the team’s top prospect because he was behind other players? Because that’s what you’re saying.
Efrim
June 27th, 2012
3:53 pm
Mark Bowman @mlbbowman
Teheran and Delgado would garner the most interest among pitchers @ESmith311 Which prospect gathers most interest?
Delgado isn’t actually a prospect and this means we should keep both!
phil
June 27th, 2012
3:54 pm
I said back in ST to trade Mac for whatever we can get before he hits the road on us….
I was slapped silly by most here. Fair enough.
But if this continues, what do we do? Just live with it, exercise the option and resign the guy next year for something decent but nothing like what he was once looking to get? IF the woes continue…..
Efrim
June 27th, 2012
3:55 pm
keithlaw @keithlaw
For three months of Greinke & no picks? I say crazy talk. RT @RyanTopp: Mike Olt straight up for Zack Greinke. Crazy talk or fairish value?
Murph
June 27th, 2012
3:55 pm
Efrim, here’s a pre-season ranking of the Braves’ top prospects in 2007:
1. Jarrod Saltalamacchia, c
2. Elvis Andrus, ss
3. Matt Harrison, lhp
4. Brandon Jones, of
5. Van Pope, 3b
6. Eric Campbell, 3b
7. Scott Thorman, 1b/of
8. Jo-Jo Reyes, lhp
9. Joey Devine, rhp
10. Yunel Escobar, inf
Like I said, the Tex deal depleted the team of its top prospects, unless you’re counting guys who were drafted a month earlier and hadn’t played a game of professional ball yet as top prospects (Heyward, Freeman, Kimbrel, etc).
phil
June 27th, 2012
3:55 pm
Karl Hungus – This bunch also contains some angry, delusional sorts….wear the asbestos britches when you drop in.
ncbravesfan90
June 27th, 2012
3:55 pm
“Delgado isn’t actually a prospect and this means we should keep both!”
So just because they would get the most attention in trade talks, we shouldn’t trade one of them? Ye must give to receive.
MFin04
June 27th, 2012
3:56 pm
Do Teheran and Delgado really have the same value? I find that hard to believe.
Efrim
June 27th, 2012
3:56 pm
Similar to Beltran and the Mets, Brewers should target one prospect and go with that. Last years trade may set up what the price is for Greinke.
So…..Mike Minor straight up for Greinke is fair value….
urban redneck
June 27th, 2012
3:59 pm
first is dumb. please stop.
can’t greg norton hit third?
Bat Masterson
June 27th, 2012
3:59 pm
Buster Olney @Buster_ESPN
Andy Pettitte out six weeks with a left ankle fracture, Yankees announce.
So lying for Clemens did not get him off the hook after all.
Efrim
June 27th, 2012
3:59 pm
Here were their Top prospects written by Baseball America on November 5th, 2007 – a few months after the Teixeira trade:
1. Jordan Schafer, of
2. Jason Heyward, of
3. Jair Jurrjens, rhp
4. Brandon Jones, of
5. Gorkys Hernandez, of
6. Brent Lillibridge, ss
7. Cole Rohrbough, lhp
8. Jeff Locke, lhp
9. Tommy Hanson, rhp
10. Julio Teheran, rhp
Heyward and Teheran had barely played a lick of professional ball and they were in the Top 10. Obviously the Hernandez/Jurrjens trade made the system better. But there were a lot of guys in the low minors that the Braves loved, therefore they felt like they could trade Salty, Andrus and Harrison.
CrαZy
June 27th, 2012
3:59 pm
No such thing as untouchable players, but Delgado and Teheran are as close at it gets. I think we would have to get quite the player if one of those guys was involved in a trade.
Danga
June 27th, 2012
4:01 pm
exercise the option
You absolutely exercise that option, and I don’t care what happens the rest of the season.
CrαZy
June 27th, 2012
4:02 pm
Mike Minor straight up for Greinke is fair value
I think your joking, but honestly that’s all I’d give up for him if we just get him for 3 months.
nolie
June 27th, 2012
4:03 pm
no that’s not what I am saying. he is at least equal or above them all. unlike Harrison ot Elvis or Salty none of whom were above others. Feliz was the lone chip that was from less than strength
TennesseePaul
June 27th, 2012
4:05 pm
Like I said, the Tex deal depleted the team of its top prospects
Out of context that looks draconian. But when you realize all those top prospects were blocked at the major league level for several to 6 years, then you realize it wasn’t an awful trade. And then to get Teixeira’s production in return. Totally worth it.
Bat Masterson
June 27th, 2012
4:06 pm
I don’t get on these threads very often, _ Karl Hungus
Uh Huh
nolie
June 27th, 2012
4:06 pm
where is that pre-season ranking from Murph? cause I do not remember Harrison as being all that highly thought of
TennesseePaul
June 27th, 2012
4:07 pm
Cole Rohrbough, totally forgot about him. I recall all the hype on that guy. Just looked him up. He’s still in A ball. And stinking. He’s 25 years old. 25!
And people discount Evan Gattis.
nolie
June 27th, 2012
4:08 pm
man that top 10 was full of loosers
TheOnlyBravesFan
June 27th, 2012
4:09 pm
there was only 1 bad Teixeira trade. The one to the Angels.
TennesseePaul
June 27th, 2012
4:10 pm
By the way guys, we are officially in the future. On October 26th, 1985 Marty McFly jumped in the Delorian and took off to see the events of June 27th, 2012.
So, welcome, friends, to the future.
phil
June 27th, 2012
4:10 pm
All bumbs and pinheads, the lot of em…
Enquiring Minds Want to Know
June 27th, 2012
4:10 pm
I said it in February and I’ll say it again…. Put Heyward in the 3 hole and leave him there. It puts power in that slot, while bunching what speed the Braves possess at the top. Don’t tell me the kid has a psychological problem with hitting 3rd- he’s been a star player at every level. He’s probably hit either 3rd or 4th all his life. And if Heyward doesn’t hit well enough to be 3rd, then it doesn’t matter much what the order is, the Braves won’t make the playoffs.
1. Bourn
2. Prado
3. Heyward
4. Uggla
5. Freeman
6. Jones
7. McCann
8. Simmons
This is a dangerous lineup. Fredi, quit mucking around with it. Your tinkering is only messing with your player’s heads.
Danga
June 27th, 2012
4:11 pm
So, welcome, friends, to the future.
I still don’t have a hover board.
Sweet Old Buck
June 27th, 2012
4:12 pm
Fredi is being too clever by half with the batting order. Ritz and a couple of others it right.
I would hate to make a trade before Medlen gets a real shot. Sit Minor, Fredi/Frank.
TennesseePaul
June 27th, 2012
4:13 pm
I think it’d cost Mike Minor and 2 more prospects for Greinke…
Thinking the same thing too. Though the 2 “prospects” would be more along the lines of the position players the team has, which is to say, guys this team isn’t going to necessarily miss in the long run.
Ralph
June 27th, 2012
4:13 pm
Abnerish
June 27th, 2012
2:44 pm
What’s wrong with asking a player his opinion? He wasn’t letting him make the decision, just asking for input
What if Heyward had told Fruti he didn’t want to hit 2nd and wanted to bat 3rd or 4th, then what would Fruti have done?
Danga
June 27th, 2012
4:14 pm
Though the 2 “prospects” would be more along the lines of the position players the team has, which is to say, guys this team isn’t going to necessarily miss in the long run.
I’d do that without thinking twice about it.
Fish Bisch
June 27th, 2012
4:14 pm
Cadehill owns us
Bob
June 27th, 2012
4:16 pm
When does Evan Gattis come off IR
CrαZy
June 27th, 2012
4:17 pm
TennesseePaul
I feel like a geek for pointing this out but that is not true it’s a hoax someone photo shopped June 27th into the picture the real date in the movie is October 21, 2015.
Johnny
June 27th, 2012
4:17 pm
Sorry, but I don’t think Terdo is a good nickname for a professional baseball player.
nolie
June 27th, 2012
4:17 pm
Pretty cool about Marty McFly
Ralph
June 27th, 2012
4:18 pm
Gattis will be coming in July to take over the 3 hole, have no fear Fruti.
TennesseePaul
June 27th, 2012
4:18 pm
I still don’t have a hover board.
Damn, i was fooled again. Today is not future day. We have 3 more years before we reach there.
Bat Masterson
June 27th, 2012
4:19 pm
Did y’all know Bethenny Frankel was a production assistant on Saved by the Bell?
I didn’t either until a minute ago. But then again I have no idea who Bethenny Frankel is, or why I should, and I’m almost certain I’ve never seen Saved by the Bell. The things I don’t know….. O man
ncscoots
June 27th, 2012
4:19 pm
I’d do that without thinking twice about it.
measure twice, cut once, Danga.
nolie
June 27th, 2012
4:19 pm
Nevermind, that damn CraZy is always ruining everything……
bravesgrl4life
June 27th, 2012
4:20 pm
Okay, so for all of you saying Mac should hit here or Mac should hit there – DO YOU NOT REALIZE THAT THE LINEUP AS IT WAS LAST NIGHT WAS COMPRISED OF HITTING BEASTS??? Well, except for Uggla anyway.
Lay off Mac. He got at least 2 hits last night.
CrαZy
June 27th, 2012
4:21 pm
Proof that the Mayan end of the world is a load of BS. Marty McFly went to October 21, 2015 and the world still existed!!
TennesseePaul
June 27th, 2012
4:21 pm
I feel like a geek for pointing this out but …
No, I’m the geek. Right after posting that I realized the movie showed Marty watching the news, “Cubs top Miami in WS” and immediately thought “the WS is not in June and I know that movie didn’t change the baseball season.” Hence my retraction a moment ago.
Bat Masterson
June 27th, 2012
4:21 pm
I feel like a geek for pointing this out but that is not true it’s a hoax someone photo shopped June 27th into the picture the real date in the movie is October 21, 2015.
Man, what a let down.
Efrim
June 27th, 2012
4:22 pm
I’d do it right now, too. Try to keep Bethancourt out of it. But how about:
Zack Greinke, Kameron Loe and 4 million for Mike Minor, Tyler Pastornicky and Todd Cunningham?
Was also thinking Nick Ahmed or Ed Salcedo in place of T-Pain.
CrαZy
June 27th, 2012
4:23 pm
nolie… every one is good at something I guess!!
Jimmy
June 27th, 2012
4:23 pm
Thanks CraZy. But could you be a little more timley.
I had already made two phone calls.
Now I’m “Back to an Idiot”.
ncscoots
June 27th, 2012
4:23 pm
Did y’all know Bethenny Frankel was a production assistant on Saved by the Bell?
I can beat this, for useless trivia.
In 18th century English furniture-making, to plane the edge of a board until it was straight, flat, and square to the board’s face was to “try” it. Thus, a board that was straight, flat, and square in all respects, and ready for use in building furniture, was said to be “tried and true”.
There ya go.
Ralph
June 27th, 2012
4:24 pm
Lay off Mac. He got at least 2 hits last night.
Miracles do happen
phil
June 27th, 2012
4:24 pm
Mac did get 2 hits….
Time to trade him.
TennesseePaul
June 27th, 2012
4:25 pm
Thus, a board that was straight, flat, and square in all respects, and ready for use in building furniture, was said to be “tried and true”.
That isn’t actually useless as it is a commonly used phrase. However, the Bethenny Frankel point is completely useless.
CrαZyTrαDeMαN
June 27th, 2012
4:25 pm
Minor, Medlen, Pastornicky
for
Greinke
nolie
June 27th, 2012
4:25 pm
I had already made a call too. now I gotta wait 3 years to talk to him again….
TheOnlyBravesFan
June 27th, 2012
4:25 pm
http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/mlb-big-league-stew/umpire-mike-dimuro-blows-call-dewayne-wise-leap-084711557–mlb.html
Jimmy
June 27th, 2012
4:25 pm
Bat – “Did y’all know Bethenny Frankel was a production assistant on Saved by the Bell?”
That’s a clown question, bro!
MFin04
June 27th, 2012
4:25 pm
See if Uggla would have hit 4th, they all would have had two hits.
CrαZy
June 27th, 2012
4:26 pm
Now I’m “Back to an Idiot”.
and idiot
ncscoots
June 27th, 2012
4:26 pm
TennPaul, are you calling challenge on “useless”?
TennesseePaul
June 27th, 2012
4:26 pm
Also the point about Bat never seeing an episode of Saved By the Bell is stunning, but useless.
Ward
June 27th, 2012
4:26 pm
Efrim – Thanks for the trade update. I’m all for Greinke. The dude can pitch, and he would bolster the staff for a long time. Think the Braves should also sign Bourn, and try to get Quentin if they can, or Josh Willingham. Both fit budget.
TennesseePaul
June 27th, 2012
4:27 pm
Yes. Yes I am.
Ward
June 27th, 2012
4:28 pm
Efrim – Leave Todd Cunningham out of trade though.
TheOnlyBravesFan
June 27th, 2012
4:29 pm
Zack Greinke, Kameron Loe and 4 million for Mike Minor, Tyler Pastornicky and Todd Cunningham?
Was also thinking Nick Ahmed or Ed Salcedo in place of T-Pain.
Don’t trade my REV…. put Ahmed or Salcedo (think Ahmed more valuable) instead
Jimmy
June 27th, 2012
4:29 pm
CraZy – yeah, I’m and Idiot. I even messed that up.
CrαZy
June 27th, 2012
4:30 pm
The dude can pitch, and he would bolster the staff for a long time. Think the Braves should also sign Bourn, and try to get Quentin if they can, or Josh Willingham. Both fit budget.
And then get Verlander maybe even work a deal out to get Pujols to play 3rd and while were at it we might as well sign Cole Hamels.
brian
June 27th, 2012
4:30 pm
We have no idea what the brewers would want for greinke and we have no idea what the braves would give up.
I would guess that the brewers will try hard to get Teheran and Delgado and the braves will do all they can to keep them. Minor will likely Bethesda main trade piece. Medlen also has high value currently. Cunningham and one of the A pitchers. Those 4 may get it done.
I think the braves, if they get greinke, will still try to sign Bourn long term with the salary cleared by moving McCann in the offseason.
Murph
June 27th, 2012
4:30 pm
I’m going to view any trade that involves 3 out of 4 top 100 prospects leaving a team as a prospect-depleting trade, and nobody will be able to convince me otherwise.
If you want to argue semantics that depletion means the exhaustion of rather than the decreasing of then by all means, have at it.
I just don’t want to hear it when Wren ships Teheran, Vizcaino, Ahmed, and Bethancourt off to Milwaukee for Greinke and Dillard, then is forced to sign a 60 year old Jamie Moyer to a 3 year, $30mil deal because he has no pitchers in the system ready to go in 2014.
TheOnlyBravesFan
June 27th, 2012
4:30 pm
Yea, like Ward says, leave Cunningham out if possible, might need him to play CF for us next year.
NickB
June 27th, 2012
4:31 pm
I would trade Cunningham, his stats this you look awfully lucky as everything else looks the same but his BABIP, which means he’s just having more balls drop for hits, guy I know watches him play and said he wasn’t impressed.
NickB
June 27th, 2012
4:31 pm
“stats this year ” dadburn laptop
Ward
June 27th, 2012
4:31 pm
Throw in Salcedo, and Nick Ahmed that would work for me.
brian
June 27th, 2012
4:32 pm
I still would love to see a future rotation of greinke, beachy, Teheran, Delgado and vizcaino/Hudson/hanson
Back to 5 aces
Ward
June 27th, 2012
4:33 pm
Todd would be a great bench player if needed, and he would do well for next year “iff” Braves can’t sign Bourn. Keep Toddy.
NickB
June 27th, 2012
4:33 pm
The ONLY way the Braves will acquire Greinke is if he agrees to an extension. They will ask for a 72 hr window to negotiate and if he declines, the Braves will walk away.
TennesseePaul
June 27th, 2012
4:34 pm
I just don’t want to hear it when Wren ships Teheran, Vizcaino, Ahmed, and Bethancourt off to Milwaukee for Greinke and Dillard…
Not going to happen anyway.
ncscoots
June 27th, 2012
4:34 pm
Keep Toddy.
Failing that, drink one.
cricket
June 27th, 2012
4:34 pm
What if Heyward had told Fruti he didn’t want to hit 2nd and wanted to bat 3rd or 4th, then what would Fruti have done?
i would ask this guy to actually read the complete story instead of making comments based on some other comments but then i would be talking to a guy who came up with super-smart nickname Fruti and i don’t want to spoil my already not-so-good mood this glum day.
better to just blame everything on Fredi and wallow in perceived superior baseball intellect of one’s self
CrαZy
June 27th, 2012
4:35 pm
brian, If Frank Wren gives up Teheran or Delgado in a deal along with Minor, Medlen and Cunningham for 3 months of Greinke he’s lost his mind.
Ward
June 27th, 2012
4:35 pm
As long as the Braves don’t give up too much to trade for Greinke. He would be the pitcher the Braves have been looking for! All, talk later tonight, and keep hope alive…..Peace my friends, and “Go!!!!!Braves!!!!!”
Bat Masterson
June 27th, 2012
4:35 pm
Well I don’t know the time line for Saved by the Bell but I’m guessing I was out handling some tried and true lumber, building something for someone, somewhere. Mans gotta make a living.
I think my now being aware of whats her name just goes to show there is no link I won’t click when I’m bored.
phil
June 27th, 2012
4:36 pm
Has Greinke had TJ surgery yet? If not, avoid.
cricket
June 27th, 2012
4:36 pm
Keep Toddy.
Failing that, drink one.
But 1st make sure it is hot
ncscoots
June 27th, 2012
4:37 pm
cricket, come on, man. What can I do to cheer you up?
Stop me if you’ve heard this one. Two blog-posters walk into an internet cafe…
Jimmy
June 27th, 2012
4:38 pm
Serious questions – How does one become the NL AS Team Captain (Kemp)?
And why does the NL AS team captain get to select who hits in the Homerun Derby?
I read a report that Kemp said that Harper won’t be there, but he will.
Sounds crazy to me.
TheOnlyBravesFan
June 27th, 2012
4:39 pm
The ONLY way the Braves will acquire Greinke is if he agrees to an extension. They will ask for a 72 hr window to negotiate and if he declines, the Braves will walk away.
Of course…. it would be a waste otherwise. All that talent for just 2 months. I wouldn’t like it.
Has Greinke had TJ surgery yet? If not, avoid.
LOL.. don’t think he has.
MFin04
June 27th, 2012
4:39 pm
“If Frank Wren gives up Teheran or Delgado in a deal along with Minor, Medlen and Cunningham for 3 months of Greinke he’s lost his mind.”
Take the deal. Most of the guys aren’t going to be starting long term for the Braves anyways.
Efrim
June 27th, 2012
4:40 pm
Come on, now. Wren isn’t going to trade Teheran for 2 months of Greinke.
Murph
June 27th, 2012
4:40 pm
Not going to happen anyway.
Why not? Vizcaino is hurt, Bethancourt is blocked, Ahmed is blocked… Teheran is the only significant chip in that trade.
Bat Masterson
June 27th, 2012
4:41 pm
Minor will likely Bethesda main trade piece.
Don’t you just love these tablets, smartphones, whatever
Jimmy
June 27th, 2012
4:42 pm
You know what I think,
I think you are all full of crap and I’m going home.
See you good folks later.
GO BARVES!
TheOnlyBravesFan
June 27th, 2012
4:43 pm
Take the deal. Most of the guys aren’t going to be starting long term for the Braves anyways.
Teheran will one day, maybe even next year (unless he gets hurt), Delgado already is starting, expect him to be here awhile, and Medlen is important in the pen right now. Minor’s expendable cuz we’ve got another one right behind him in Gilmartin.
Which makes me ask a serious question: Assuming Teheran isn’t called up this year to finish the season on the big-league club, would the Braves wait until June of ‘13 to bring him up to get the extra year of control?
kerryb
June 27th, 2012
4:43 pm
The Braves had Roy Oswalt sitting at home wanting to be signed by the Braves. They would not make him an offer. Why? Because their ownership wants to nickle and dime this club. They were just awarded 950 million dollars in a lawsuit but you think they will spend any of it to improve this team? I doubt it. I think one of the reasons is that they are all sitting in Denver and are more Rockies fans than Braves fans and only care about this team making a few bucks for them than whether they actually win or not. Every Braves fan should boycott buying anything from QVC (which is owned by Liberty Media) until they invest in this team or sell it to someone who is interested in making it a consistent winner again.
bravesgrl4life
June 27th, 2012
4:44 pm
This is why I prefer to spend most of my Braves talk time anymore with my FB page. The debate there is much more intelligent and coherent, and we tend not to beat dead horses into a pulp. We have honest, sometimes heated, debates over there, but in the end, we all want what’s best for our team.
On DOB’s Twitter:
David O’Brien @ajcbraves: Aren’t they always? Unintended hilarity. @Ashville34: @ajcbraves’ blog comments are extra funny today, if looking for midday entertainment.”
Shows what DOB must think of a lot of the stuff that goes on here. And I can’t say I blame him.
Hillbilly
June 27th, 2012
4:44 pm
Thus, a board that was straight, flat, and square in all respects, and ready for use in building furniture, was said to be “tried and true”.
There ya go.
And without that origin, we wouldn’t have the Tried and True Music label. And without T & T Music, we wouldn’t have Jerry Jeff Walker’s Hill Country Rain album with “Curly and Lil.” And without “Curly and Lil,” I might not have consumed as many beers as I did in College. And if I hadn’t consumed those extra beers in college, maybe I would have avoided a certain young brune… Oh nevermind. Long live Tried and True!
CrαZy
June 27th, 2012
4:44 pm
Murph
Haven’t you heard MacCan is gone after next year… possible even traded for Greinke!!
bravesgrl4life
June 27th, 2012
4:44 pm
that last part should not have been in italics. That’s my thoughts, not part of the twitter post.
Braveone
June 27th, 2012
4:44 pm
From the previous blog which had 1,426 comments, TheOnlyBravesFan led the way with 125 posts. There were 151 different poster names. Here are the Top 25:
Rank Poster Frequency
1 TheOnlyBravesFan 125
2 Efrim 91
3 nolie 87
4 NickB 56
5 ncscoots 52
6 DS1 45
7 MIBravesFan 44
8 Tomahawk Mafia 43
9 MFin04 41
10 Ease 34
11 Bat Masterson 29
12 Murph 29
13 cabravesfan 28
14 jeffrey d 28
15 ChattTownBrian 27
16 BFChris27 24
17 George Stein 24
18 Brava 22
19 McFann :Ô: :Ô: :ô: 21
20 CraZy 19
21 Frankie Wren 19
22 bravesgrl4life 19
23 Duke 17
24 TBbravesfan 17
25 ncbravesfan90 17
Murph
June 27th, 2012
4:46 pm
CraZy, I know McCann is gone… but Boscan is in front of Bethancourt, so… yeah. Gattis, too, if he ever gets off the DL.
CB
June 27th, 2012
4:46 pm
Anybody who believes Braves would pay Greinke 20+million is certifiably nuts.
Kentavo
June 27th, 2012
4:47 pm
Just got this press release…
JOHN ROCKER TO PITCH RHETORICAL FASTBALLS
Outspoken former MLB pitcher debuts as exclusive columnist
WND
John Rocker, the Major League Baseball pitcher whose politically incorrect comments to a reporter were remembered long after he retired from baseball, debuts today as an exclusive weekly columnist with WND.
NickB
June 27th, 2012
4:49 pm
Boscan is not in front of Bethancourt (and neither is Gattis as they want him on LF) Bethancourt’ lack of offensive production is what’s in front of him. If he hits in 2013 in the minor’s, Mac may be expendable, but if h doesn’t, Mac is very likely a Brave til 2018.
Jon K. Slusser
June 27th, 2012
4:50 pm
Outside of his eye thing, I felt FREEMAN was well on his way as a 3rd hole guy. I have thought all along that Heyward is a natural 7 hole – which he has been recently. Give Freeman some more time and Chip will be retired after THIS season.
David O'Brien
June 27th, 2012
4:51 pm
Anybody who believes Braves would pay Greinke 20+million is certifiably nuts.
Agreed. Not sure why people think Braves would commit 20-25 percent of their annual payroll to one starting pitcher, but I can’t see it. And I think they’d be making a serious mistake if they did.
JoeFan
June 27th, 2012
4:51 pm
The Braves not only have a hole in the 3 spot but have holes in the bullpen
, on the bench and some days in the lineup when Fredi elects to let some of his top 8 position players rest. A trade for a player that is in the lineup every 5th day isn’t going to get it done. Moving Chipper to the bench, where he spends many of his days already, Prado to thrid and finding a solid LF, plus a quality arm for the bullpen would fill more holes, and be cheaper and easier than trying to land Grienke or Garza.
One Big Dummy
June 27th, 2012
4:51 pm
Greinke doesn’t strike me as someone who could hold up to playoff pressure very well.
kerryb
June 27th, 2012
4:52 pm
Heyward is a natural 5 or 6 hole hitter.
1eyedJack
June 27th, 2012
4:52 pm
I wish I could afford to give my Father a brand new Harley-Davidson Road King Classic motorcycle.
Damn, I wish I still had a Father to give one to. Good kid.
ChattTownBrian
June 27th, 2012
4:52 pm
bravesgrl4life, well then get yo ass out of here and don’t come back! Seriously, if you think you’re more sane, smarter and know what it’s all about than any of is fools I think I can speak for most here and say get to steppin and you won’t be missed.
Murph
June 27th, 2012
4:52 pm
NickB, not true. I look at the teams and where guys are and, indeed, Boscan is in front of Bethancourt.
See, Boscan is at AAA. Bethancourt is at AA. Gattis is at AA, too, but is hurt and penciled in for LF, so that’s arguable.
We all know that after McCann is traded Ross is going to be the starter, probably for many years to come, so… Bethancourt is as expendable as anyone in the organization.
Fish Bisch
June 27th, 2012
4:53 pm
We need Derek Lowe back in the worst way.
CrαZy
June 27th, 2012
4:53 pm
Shows what DOB must think of a lot of the stuff that goes on here. And I can’t say I blame him
I have 2 problems with using the Twitter and Facebook pages….
1. It’s blocked at work
2. I stay away from computers as much as possible at home
AJC should do a better job improving the blog…
1st step get log in ID’s
MFin04
June 27th, 2012
4:54 pm
“Not sure why people think Braves would commit 20-25 percent of their annual payroll to one starting pitcher,”
Or why they would pay 25% or 30% of the teams salary to Chipper Jones and Derek Lowe, but crap happens.
1eyedJack
June 27th, 2012
4:54 pm
Chipper is the best guy to bat in the 3 hole. That’s why he’s done it for 17 or 18 years. Switch hitter and whatnot. Maybe it’s importance would light a fire under his old butt and make him play with a little swelling or ache.
ncscoots
June 27th, 2012
4:55 pm
1st step get log in ID’s
Too fascist.
CrαZy
June 27th, 2012
4:56 pm
NickB
sometimes it’s easy to see sarcasm when you use logic!!
Murph
June 27th, 2012
4:56 pm
If they improve the blog and add logins, I’m staying up all night just so I can be first. I know the exact login name I’d go with….
Fish Bisch
June 27th, 2012
4:56 pm
Fire Pendleton.
ncscoots
June 27th, 2012
4:58 pm
If they improve the blog and add logins, I’m staying up all night just so I can be first. I know the exact login name I’d go with….
You could probably steal mine, since I’d not likely be using it.
TheOnlyBravesFan
June 27th, 2012
4:59 pm
AJC should do a better job improving the blog…
1st step get log in ID’s
Would like this….
Efrim
June 27th, 2012
4:59 pm
I think Yunel Escobar blocking Elvis Andrus or Brian McCann blocking Salty is a bit different than JC Boscan blocking Christian Bethancourt.
However, he’s so far away with the bat that you wouldn’t have to twist my arm too hard to trade him.
CrαZy
June 27th, 2012
5:00 pm
Murph
It would be wrong to steal names…..
I wonder if anyone is attached enough to their name to buy it back????
NickB
June 27th, 2012
5:01 pm
Murph
Gattis is in AAA
Boscan may be in AAA but he isn’t “in front of” Bethancourt as far as becoming the starter one day goes. Boscan is a 33 year old career minor leaguer. he will not be filling the catching void if Mac leaves. Nor will Ross, he gets exposed as a starter and his numbers don’t hold up in the long term.
If Bethancourt either isn’t ready or never develops, the team’s options at starting catcher for 2014 are Mac or, Soto or any of the other catcher free agents that year.
TheOnlyBravesFan
June 27th, 2012
5:02 pm
1. It’s blocked at work
FB blocked @ my school, but Twitter isn’t…. weird. (Yes, I have great grades, no hindrance to read, but less time to research my stats while @ school)
Efrim
June 27th, 2012
5:02 pm
As with most trades, it’s all going to depend on the cost.
NickB
June 27th, 2012
5:02 pm
I was wrong Gattis IS in AA.
but he isn’t being projected as future catcher due to his lousy glove. Hence the move to LF and only the once a week catching start
TheOnlyBravesFan
June 27th, 2012
5:03 pm
CTB not being very diplomatic I see…
cricket
June 27th, 2012
5:03 pm
thanks scoots, that did it. i’m back to my normal bouncy self.
on the other hand, may be it was just gas
Efrim
June 27th, 2012
5:03 pm
Strained left oblique for Ethier. Not good for the Dodgers.
ncscoots
June 27th, 2012
5:04 pm
the team’s options at starting catcher for 2014 are Mac or, Soto or any of the other catcher free agents that year.
Man, I think I might have to move the fandom to curling, if the Braves were to swap Brian McCann for Geovany Soto. Such a thing would generate some of that chunky industrial-grade.
Murph
June 27th, 2012
5:04 pm
The Braves FB page is a lot of Tomahawkin speaking gibberish… the worst part was, after I joined, it was set to email me notifications by default. Every time Tomahawkin would post, bam, I’d have to see it in my inbox.
Hell… on… Earth.
Efrim
June 27th, 2012
5:05 pm
I think I’d rather go after Greinke than to give up what it’s going to take to get Garza. Greinke is a better pitcher than Garza, imo. And the cost in prospects should be less.
Murph
June 27th, 2012
5:05 pm
Gattis is in AAA
When did this happen?!?
Venice Jim
June 27th, 2012
5:05 pm
I don’t even know where to start with what I want to type right now…
MFin04
June 27th, 2012
5:06 pm
Where is Shaun, I am running low on my stat fix?
ncscoots
June 27th, 2012
5:06 pm
Every time Tomahawkin would post, bam, I’d have to see it in my inbox. Hell… on… Earth.
Now, if that don’t make you pull for the Mayans, nothing will.
bruce
June 27th, 2012
5:07 pm
Marteeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeen
CrαZy
June 27th, 2012
5:07 pm
Murph
I think we should let McCann walk… Boscan is a proven weapon don’t you agree!!
Murph
June 27th, 2012
5:08 pm
scoots, the best part is I would let my 6 year old read some of ‘em.
Daddy, what does “we gots the 4-1-1 on dis chump” mean?
Ummmm… it’s spanish, don’t worry about it.
NickB
June 27th, 2012
5:08 pm
ncscoots
unfortunately, due to the lack of available catchers that can hit even a little bit, thats what the team will be looking at.
2014 free agent catchers(that aren’t really old)
John Buck
Jesus Flores
Ryan Hanigan
Brayan Pena
Salty
Geovany Soto
Kurt Suzuki (but he has a $8.5 mill option)
ChattTownBrian
June 27th, 2012
5:08 pm
I feel jabbed at then I’ll jab back. Sometimes I uppercut … when I’m in a bad mood.
She came on here to tell us how pathetic and silly we are by quoting a DOB tweet. OMG, that is chciken shi*.
phil
June 27th, 2012
5:08 pm
The obsession here with this Gattis guy is the one that most baffles me….
I know, i know, but still.
MFin04
June 27th, 2012
5:09 pm
JC Boscan vs Corky Miller, who wins?
Murph
June 27th, 2012
5:09 pm
CraZy, Boscan is the type of talent that you build around. The Braves can’t stop him, they can only hope to contain him, and quite frankly, they really can’t even do that anymore. He’s bustin’ out.
Would you bat him cleanup next season? Any of the top 4 slots would work if you ask me.
SoWeGa Fanatic
June 27th, 2012
5:10 pm
I got it! Bat the pitcher 3rd, and reduce 2 black holes to only 1!
CrαZy
June 27th, 2012
5:10 pm
She came on here to tell us how pathetic and silly we are
Those Damn hysters with their Facebook and Twitter crap!!
ChattTownBrian
June 27th, 2012
5:10 pm
Venice, good. We probably don’t want to read it anyway.
cowdogit
June 27th, 2012
5:11 pm
The braves have a very good team , The problem is the pitchers , they never improve . Before they trade all of their young pitchers , maybe they should try a new pitching coach .
Efrim
June 27th, 2012
5:11 pm
With Chipper Jones ($14 million), Derek Lowe ($15 million), Michael Bourn ($6.84 million) among those coming off of the payroll at the end of this year, the Braves will have some money to play with this winter.
55-60 million committed to 10 players(Uggla, McCann, Hudson, Prado, O’Flaherty, Hanson, Heyward, Venters, Medlen, and Martinez). Easier to think of it in those terms, imo.
cricket
June 27th, 2012
5:11 pm
JC Boscan vs Corky Miller, who wins?
depends on which sport they are playing
Murph
June 27th, 2012
5:11 pm
JC Boscan vs Corky Miller, who wins?
The kid from Life Goes On?
Not cool, MFin.
ChopChamps95
June 27th, 2012
5:11 pm
The obsession here with this Gattis guy is the one that most baffles me….
————————
I have the same thoughts on Cunningham. All I see in him is a switch hitting version of Jose Constanza. Anyone who thinks this guys will be anything more than a 4th OF is brain dead.
CrαZy
June 27th, 2012
5:13 pm
As I see it Boscan is the only untouchable player on the 40 man roster!! Dude will dominate the bigs… Yeah he might be 32 years old, but he’s had less wear and tear so he could catch for 10 plus years. McCann who!!
cricket
June 27th, 2012
5:13 pm
Bat the pitcher 3rd, and reduce 2 black holes to only 1
if Maddon does it, stat heads will not come out of moms’ basements until they can conjure up a stat that justifies this move
Murph
June 27th, 2012
5:14 pm
I don’t know that Cunningham has been spoken of on this blog except for the last day or two.
There was the week last season when CraZy was on a big Ritchie Cunningham kick, but that didn’t last and was a different Cunningham anyways.
NickB
June 27th, 2012
5:14 pm
Cunnigham looks overrated, But you don’t just magically have the kind of power Gattis has shown this year. Kid looks like he has gotten his life together and could be one of those Josh Hamilton kind of stories. He may never hit like Hamilton in the big leagues, but if he keeps putting up numbers like this, he will make the show sometime in 2014 I bet. If he can get healthy, I bet he gets a september callup
CrαZy
June 27th, 2012
5:15 pm
The obsession here with this Gattis guy is the one that most baffles me
Must not baffle you enough to make you realize that most of the Gattis posts are sarcasm…
Murph
June 27th, 2012
5:15 pm
From McFann to BossCAN!
cricket
June 27th, 2012
5:15 pm
anyone surprised at 0 – 0 score in this Euro match?
MFin04
June 27th, 2012
5:17 pm
“anyone surprised at 0 – 0 score in this Euro match?”
Umm, a little, Spain is just so crisp offensively, but if Portugal just shelled up and played for PKs it isn’t too surprising.
TheOnlyBravesFan
June 27th, 2012
5:17 pm
I got it! Bat the pitcher 3rd, and reduce 2 black holes to only 1!
Said this already… see below
TheOnlyBravesFan
June 27th, 2012
2:44 pm
I have an idea…. since our 3-hole hits so bad, put the pitcher there. It’s a radical idea!
cricket
June 27th, 2012
5:17 pm
Gattis would have scored 5 goals for either ESP or POR
SoWeGa Fanatic
June 27th, 2012
5:18 pm
crickett, shaun is working on it now.
CrαZy
June 27th, 2012
5:18 pm
Murph Ritchie Cunningham
Happy Days??
SoWeGa Fanatic
June 27th, 2012
5:19 pm
TheOnlyBravesFan, I’m slow.
cricket
June 27th, 2012
5:19 pm
Spain is crisp offensively? dunno, looked like they didn’t even try to score with any urgency before extra time today.
Murph
June 27th, 2012
5:19 pm
Happy Days??
They weren’t very happy when all you would talk about was Ritchie this, Joannie that… at least you left Chachi out of it.
cricket
June 27th, 2012
5:21 pm
2 excellent saves to start shootout
Bat Masterson
June 27th, 2012
5:23 pm
On DOB’s Twitter:
David O’Brien @ajcbraves: Aren’t they always? Unintended hilarity. @Ashville34: @ajcbraves’ blog comments are extra funny today, if looking for midday entertainment.”
Shows what DOB must think of a lot of the stuff that goes on here. And I can’t say I blame him.
Hell, lets ask him.
Hey David O’Brien, what do you think of what goes on here?
TheOnlyBravesFan
June 27th, 2012
5:23 pm
it’s ok sowega
Efrim
June 27th, 2012
5:24 pm
Daniel Hudson has a torn ulnar collateral ligament.
Another one bites the dust.
McFann :Ô: :Ô: :ô:
June 27th, 2012
5:24 pm
ncscoots Man, I think I might have to move the fandom to curling, if the Braves were to swap Brian McCann for Geovany Soto.
Dude, I’d switch to profesional Badmitten before I’d watch the Braves again if they pulled something like that…
Efrim
June 27th, 2012
5:26 pm
We rocked a poor pitcher with a torn UCL – the offense still must stink!
MFin04
June 27th, 2012
5:26 pm
Daniel Hudson sure did know it last night. Wow.
CaptainMudd
June 27th, 2012
5:27 pm
I got my Braves jersey on and an old pair of BB pants…..combined with my white over black spikes that I played in while attending high school…..I am good to go tonight….yes this is another “rehab” game for me and I know I got to loose 10-20 lbs. prior to serious participation….after all, being ‘in-shape’ would enhance my professional appearance especially when I check my account balance on the 30th. So I’ll dedicate myself and set a personal goal–you all will be proud of me–after all…..the support I have received–to appear slovenly kept just won’t cut it on this blog.
cricket
June 27th, 2012
5:27 pm
Spain thru without the best opponent player ever taking the penalty!!!
MFin04
June 27th, 2012
5:27 pm
Ronaldo sure did wuss out there. Wow.
Murph
June 27th, 2012
5:29 pm
Are there statistics kept on injuries and injury types?
Seems that there are more Tommy John surgeries happening in the last 3 or 4 years than in the 10 previous years put together.
Is it that they are better at finding this injury than they used to be, or that pitches guys are throwing are causing it more often… or that today’s pitcher has no grit?
cricket
June 27th, 2012
5:29 pm
I volunteer to guide scoots and McFann on the way to become fans of glorious sport of cricket, if Soto replaces Mac.
btw, badminton > curling
TheOnlyBravesFan
June 27th, 2012
5:30 pm
Daniel Hudson has a torn ulnar collateral ligament.
Another one bites the dust.
Knew it…. another good pitcher goes down. Again, you can never have enough good starting pitching (especially young, controllable ones)
Lemke's Knuckler
June 27th, 2012
5:30 pm
Checked out Minor and Delgado’s splits, looking for some trend as to why they keep getting into trouble. Minor’s problem was pretty apparent, stuck out like a sore thumb. Here’s his splits for 1st, 2nd and 3rd time through the order.
1st: .204 AVG, .626 OPS
2nd: .291 AVG, .915 OPS
3rd: .346 AVG, 1.077 OPS
This shows me that he’s not making the necessary mid-game adjustments to keep hitters from picking out a pitch and scorching it. Not sure this is something that can be fixed easily, just normal growing pains for a pitcher. I’d like to see the difference in his performance when Ross catches him. Not that Mac is a bad catcher, but I think Ross calls a better game.
Now looking at Delgado, I couldn’t really see anything apparent. Overall, he’s pitched pretty good from a statistical standpoint. Consistent throughout the game, no blaring red flag suggesting a problem with his approach. I did notice that of his 14 starts, he received 2 or fewer runs 7 of those starts. So while the 4-8 record looks pretty rough, with a little extra run support, he might be sitting at 7-5 and we’re not so worried about how he’s pitching.
Maybe Fredi can pull Minor after 3 innings every game and bring in Medlen to get it to the bullpen.
CB
June 27th, 2012
5:30 pm
Efrim, Orioles couldn’t hit Beachy when his was torn.
MFin04
June 27th, 2012
5:31 pm
Curling is pretty entertaining to watch.
One Big Dummy
June 27th, 2012
5:31 pm
Aren’t most soccer matches 0-0 and that’s why they have to play foosball instead of soccer to decide who wins the soccer match?
Murph
June 27th, 2012
5:31 pm
We rocked a poor pitcher with a torn UCL – the offense still must stink!
I prefer to think that the Braves caused the injury… the shockwave from the Bourn HR hit his elbow and caused the UCL to shred.
cricket
June 27th, 2012
5:32 pm
Ronaldo sure did wuss out there
come on man, not his decision. coach will be skewered.
btw, they just said that London School of Economics study showed that team shooting 1st has better chance of winning. Really? How much money was wasted on that study and how many Ph. D.s were granted? Shouldn’t that “study” take not more that a day with high speed internet connection?
NickB
June 27th, 2012
5:32 pm
Truth f it is, Bethancourt is unlikely to be ready for the show by 2014.
This leaves the option of re-signing Mac, or going after free agents, or a trade…
Suzuki I like, Salty may cost almost as much as Mac…… Options aren’t very good.
Hence I would stick with Mac, even with his lousy year he has been a top half catcher, bet he improves it top 5 by years end.
MFin04
June 27th, 2012
5:33 pm
“the shockwave from the Bourn HR hit his elbow and caused the UCL to shred.”
Could also be the shockwave from all the Dan Uggla swings and misses?
TheOnlyBravesFan
June 27th, 2012
5:34 pm
Not that Mac is a bad catcher, but I think Ross calls a better game.
No you didn’t!!!
I wonder about this too, Ross seems to do a better job with the younger guys than Mac seems to, IMO. I guess it’s cuz Ross is older and wiser.
MFin04
June 27th, 2012
5:34 pm
“btw, they just said that London School of Economics study showed that team shooting 1st has better chance of winning.”
ESPN the Magazine did that study too.. It was like 52% to 48% I think.
cricket
June 27th, 2012
5:35 pm
i watched lot of curling in CAN, don’t mind it at all. but IMO, badminton is more entertaining.
CB
June 27th, 2012
5:35 pm
Man, you guys worry about something 2-3 years away. I worry about what’s for dinner.
Murph
June 27th, 2012
5:36 pm
I used to think BMac called a good game… until earlier this season and the infamous “6 curveballs in a row” game.
Boscan for catcher, 2013.
nolie
June 27th, 2012
5:36 pm
Todd “Brandon Jones” Cunningham
Murph
June 27th, 2012
5:38 pm
Man, you guys worry about something 2-3 years away. I worry about what’s for dinner.
You don’t know worry until you’ve eaten Mrs Murph’s cooking.
The other night we did “breakfast for dinner” one of my favorite meals. Pancakes, eggs, bacon… should have been awesome.
It ended with me asking “Are eggs supposed to drip like this?”, her storming off, and the 4 year old proclaiming that “This dinner is going to give me a rash!”.
phil
June 27th, 2012
5:41 pm
CrαZy
June 27th, 2012
5:15 pm
The obsession here with this Gattis guy is the one that most baffles me
Must not baffle you enough to make you realize that most of the Gattis posts are sarcasm…
*********
I had managed to notice, but thanks for the clarification…
nolie
June 27th, 2012
5:41 pm
Harrison seems to have learned some control, his WHIP is down a good bit the last year and a half . B4 that he was not all that promising
Efrim
June 27th, 2012
5:42 pm
Man, you guys worry about something 2-3 years away. I worry about what’s for dinner.
I used to think 2-3 years away, until nolie and scoots smacked me down and got me to understand that not all prospects pan out.
Not gonna lie, that was a tough one to swallow.
MFin04
June 27th, 2012
5:42 pm
“I used to think BMac called a good game… until earlier this season and the infamous “6 curveballs in a row” game.”
Was that the walk off homer game where he kept calling for the same pitch?
Lemke's Knuckler
June 27th, 2012
5:42 pm
Murph…”Is it that they are better at finding this injury than they used to be, or that pitches guys are throwing are causing it more often… or that today’s pitcher has no grit?”
The young pitchers that in the 18-26 year range are the product of the “travel ball” phenomenon that took over youth baseball about 10-15 years ago. These kids have been playing baseball year round since they were 8 years old. I’m surprised there aren’t more injuries. The local high school team where I live has 2 kids that have already had TJ surgery.
phil
June 27th, 2012
5:43 pm
Efrim
June 27th, 2012
5:24 pm
Daniel Hudson has a torn ulnar collateral ligament.
Another one bites the dust.
*************
When I heard tight forearm on the postgame radio show last night, you knew then…too bad.
Efrim
June 27th, 2012
5:43 pm
Cunningham is a tweener. Not nearly enough bat to play a corner and not nearly enough glove/range to play CF from what I’ve read.
4th outfielder, I think.
Efrim
June 27th, 2012
5:43 pm
And let me rephrase to 3-4 years away instead of just 2-3….
SMOLTZ 29
June 27th, 2012
5:49 pm
All of our top prospects should be in play! This divison, without the Phillies presence, is there for the taking. Garza, Wandy, Liriano, Romero, and Volquez should be considered. FLAGS FLY FOREVER… PROSPECTS COME AND GO!
Arkansas Transplant
June 27th, 2012
5:54 pm
I’d give Minor straight up today if we could get Greinke but as time passes.. not sure I’d do unless we could work a contract in advance.
Arkansas Transplant
June 27th, 2012
5:56 pm
I’d be more out to spend more money to get Greinke signed and let Bourn walk by offering arb. I think Greinke would be more value over what we’d have in his spot then what Bourn’s value would be over what we could sign in his place.
ChattTownBrian
June 27th, 2012
5:56 pm
I have always scratched my head regarding people obsessing over a year or more from the present. I am thinking near and now.
phil
June 27th, 2012
5:57 pm
Well….
sometimes flags are taken down to be cleaned. sometimes they burn. sometimes they rip and have to be replaced. Sometimes they get stolen.
I’m sure other bad things happen to flags. HORDE ALL PROSPECTS FOREVER!
Arkansas Transplant
June 27th, 2012
5:58 pm
plus if we were to sign Greinke all the while only have to give up Minor.. I’d have to say that would be huge specially if JJ gets back to being pre all-star break JJ.
nolie
June 27th, 2012
6:03 pm
trades don’t take place in a vacuum, other teams would be offering too, not sure if Minor would get him or not. my guess is not
TuffShhhtuff
June 27th, 2012
6:04 pm
Why is FG so reluctant to move McCann and Uggs down to 8 and 9 until they get their act together? If it was anybody else he would. As it is now they can only hurt the team. Let them work it out in the 8th and 9th spots. BTW, how is Uggs is getting all these All Star votes? Do the fans in other towns pay attention? I will answer that. It’s NO!
DS1
June 27th, 2012
6:06 pm
nolie
Then go ahead………… throw in Boscan.
TheOnlyBravesFan
June 27th, 2012
6:07 pm
plus if we were to sign Greinke all the while only have to give up Minor
Not happening… There will be at least 1 other legitimate/valuable prospect that has to be thrown in. Like a Salcedo/Ahmed. Might need to be Minor +2 prospects, outside our pitchers, we don’t have many great prospects in the minors.
NickB
June 27th, 2012
6:07 pm
Uggla is gettin the votes because he leads all second baseman in the NL in every category but batting avg…..
and Mac just went 2-5 and drove in 2 runs, and moving Uggla down in the order will only guarantee less fastballs for him and more struggles
Arkansas Transplant
June 27th, 2012
6:08 pm
nolie, probably not but he would be my big ticket item from our side.
Arkansas Transplant
June 27th, 2012
6:11 pm
TheOnlyBravesFan, I’d probably be alright with adding Ahmed but like I said, I’d want to try to get a contract in place first too. But out of Bourn and Greinke, I’d choose Greinke as our big ticket item.
nolie
June 27th, 2012
6:17 pm
I would not give up much of anything for two months only and I’m not sure why Greinke would just sign away free agency for a brand new team
TheOnlyBravesFan
June 27th, 2012
6:18 pm
TheOnlyBravesFan, I’d probably be alright with adding Ahmed but like I said, I’d want to try to get a contract in place first too. But out of Bourn and Greinke, I’d choose Greinke as our big ticket item.
Yes, the contract needs to be in place. The trade is a bad one of done without it. As for going Bourn vs. Greinke, I can understand that. Especially with Bourn about to turn 30, probably wanting 5-6 yrs. I just don’t think the Braves will spend big money on a pitcher when we have a host of young guys waiting in the minors.
MikeInFl
June 27th, 2012
6:19 pm
agreed, nolie. Grienke’s not even gonna want to talk to NYY, LAA, Boston, Texas, Philly? Only way that happens is if we offer him $150 mil.
I think Bowman’s full of it…
ncgary
June 27th, 2012
6:23 pm
greinke is an introverted freak
has a lot of issues
serious issues
can pitch but serious issues
ncgary
June 27th, 2012
6:26 pm
12 12 11 10 10 million for bourn probably wont get it done
but would be a fair offer throw in a 15 million team controlled option buyout at 2.5
nolie
June 27th, 2012
6:26 pm
Mitchell or Robert level issues,gary??
CB
June 27th, 2012
6:26 pm
Hi, ncgary. How is new job working out?
Murph
June 27th, 2012
6:27 pm
Even if it’s just for a 2 month rental, I wouldn’t hesitate to give up Minor for Greinke, extension or not.
Imagine getting to face Minor once or twice a year… guaranteed Braves victories in 2013 and beyond.
nolie
June 27th, 2012
6:28 pm
not sure the union would allow a contract that gets lower over the years instead of higher…..
nolie
June 27th, 2012
6:29 pm
man once you get down on a guy you just love to pound him dontcha??
mark
June 27th, 2012
6:31 pm
I THINK UGGLA OUR #4 HITTER IS NOW UNDER .240 AGAIN, HE IS A GOOD #8 HITTER IF I EVER SAW ONE.ALL OR NOTHING,
nolie
June 27th, 2012
6:32 pm
I love it that folks rip on Uggla about batting average, one of the less significant stats
ncgary
June 27th, 2012
6:36 pm
nolie more mitchelesque
i like the job cb
relate well to the clients
,,,,,,,,,,,lol
third shift is an adjustment though
leftrecursion
June 27th, 2012
6:37 pm
I think if they’re going to go after Grinke they’ll need to let both Hudson and Jurrjens to walk next year. With both of them gone you have some where in the neighborhood of 40-45m million to lock up journey, Grinke and whoever else.
nolie
June 27th, 2012
6:42 pm
i think huddy will be back if he stays effective
Bat Masterson
June 27th, 2012
6:44 pm
Even if it’s just for a 2 month rental, I wouldn’t hesitate to give up Minor for Greinke, extension or not.
Maybe so. Maybe the Braves win the World Series. Then I guess the Braves can find replacement pitchers for Greinke and probably JJ. I don’t know
leftrecursion
June 27th, 2012
6:46 pm
Bourne not journey
McFann :Ô: :Ô: :ô:
June 27th, 2012
6:47 pm
Mike Minor stats by catcher 2012 (Ross has only caught him once.)
Randall Delgado stats by catcher 2012
ncgary
June 27th, 2012
6:49 pm
3 months ago no way id say go as high as 11.5 for bourn
but bravos would be hard pushed to have 30 wins without him at this point
nolie
June 27th, 2012
6:50 pm
Bourne not journey….
I was wondering which one of the group was actually gonna man center. Schon perhaps?
TheOnlyBravesFan
June 27th, 2012
6:51 pm
Just had to defend McCann, didn’t you.
Good to see anyway.
Since Ross has only caught Minor once, I can’t compare those 2. However, looking at RD, there is a difference. Could be attributed to Ross catching fewer games, and so it’d even out over time, but that difference is noticeable.
CaptainMudd
June 27th, 2012
6:51 pm
Place in batting order means little to Freddy
BFChris27
June 27th, 2012
6:52 pm
Daniel Hudson next victim of TJS.
TheOnlyBravesFan
June 27th, 2012
6:53 pm
I OUTSMARTED MCFANN!!!! Take a look at these career numbers for Minor
http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/split.cgi?id=minormi01&year=Career&t=p#catch
nolie
June 27th, 2012
6:53 pm
no PEDS, no elbows….
McFann :Ô: :Ô: :ô:
June 27th, 2012
6:56 pm
TOBF Just had to defend McCann, didn’t you.
Always…
Yeah, I hadn’t realized Ross had only caught Minor once, but that’s the stat the guy was asking for, so I posted it anyway. There is a noticeable difference between Delgado’s numbers for sure, but I think there was one game in there (mighta been when BMac was sick) where Ross caught for him and Delgado gave up a lot of runs, thereby blowing up the numbers a bit, but I’m not entirely sure…Sometimes you gotta take these kind of stats with a grain of salt…
But even still—it’s not actually the way that poster thought it was…
McFann :Ô: :Ô: :ô:
June 27th, 2012
6:57 pm
Smartbutt…
But how did you outsmart me?…
CaptainMudd
June 27th, 2012
6:58 pm
I outsmarted myself…..I thought my car ran on cornethylblogpoliteness
nolie
June 27th, 2012
6:59 pm
what kinda damn fool believes in blogpoliteness? its vaporware man
Bat Masterson
June 27th, 2012
7:00 pm
Suppose the braves did trade for Greinke and sign him @ $21mm per
Greinke, Uggla, Heap, Hudson, Prado, Heyward, Hanson, Freeman and Simmons would be about $72mm.
CFer, Lfer, two starters and everyone else……… 16 players for about $20mm, unless some of Greinke’s money from this year counts toward next year. I guess you could get away with that next year then something has to give.
TheOnlyBravesFan
June 27th, 2012
7:00 pm
but I think there was one game in there (mighta been when BMac was sick) where Ross caught for him and Delgado gave up a lot of runs, thereby blowing up the numbers a bit, but I’m not entirely sure…Sometimes you gotta take these kind of stats with a grain of salt…
Indeed you do, and I believe that was right. May24, in Cinccy (when mac was sick) RD went 5.1 Inning, allowed 4 runs.
nolie
June 27th, 2012
7:01 pm
Braves are NOT gonna pay anybody 20+ mil, just ain’t gonna happen
TheOnlyBravesFan
June 27th, 2012
7:02 pm
Tommy Hanson…. BMac has better ERA,but Ross better in opp. ba/obp/babip. BMac better in SLG/OPS
http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/split.cgi?id=hansoto01&year=Career&t=p#catch
Then again, these could be small sample sizes in some cases, just throwing out all the stats.
CaptainMudd
June 27th, 2012
7:03 pm
Hey @Noliee, I know where your coming from with the earlier comment on BA being in the lesser sense an evaluative measuring stick, if you will, why then are some prestigeous MLB awards utilizing this stat to determine respective recipients yearly?
McFann :Ô: :Ô: :ô:
June 27th, 2012
7:03 pm
TOBF—
Meh, 4 runs isn’t too many—but I guess in 5.1 innings it kind of is…Seems like at least one of the grand slams games came when Ross was catching…
Did Delgado start that monstrosity of a game when Livan gave up a bunch of runs and we lost 12-4? Gotta check…
McFann :Ô: :Ô: :ô:
June 27th, 2012
7:04 pm
OK, no, that was Teheran…never mind…
TheOnlyBravesFan
June 27th, 2012
7:05 pm
Smartbutt…
But how did you outsmart me?
Minor better with Ross albeit slightly for his career.
Also, I think the mound at the Ted needs to be fired, it’s taken the UCLs of 2 pitchers this year….
I’ll be paying more attention to the game here, we’re ready to go. I’ma do my best to bring us a victory tonight. GO BRAVES!!!
Bat Masterson
June 27th, 2012
7:05 pm
Braves are NOT gonna pay anybody 20+ mil, just ain’t gonna happen _ nolie
One would not think so, would they. However I keep hearing the Braves have all this money to spend and can sign Greinke and Bourn, so I must be missing something.
CaptainMudd
June 27th, 2012
7:08 pm
@Nolieee—Thanks for endorsing the redundant impolite census herein as a permanent fixture–you are right we need to love ‘em all.
brian
June 27th, 2012
7:08 pm
I sure wish I was a fly on the braves meeting room
Efrim
June 27th, 2012
7:10 pm
Braves are NOT gonna pay anybody 20+ mil, just ain’t gonna happen
Totally agree. And just because prices for free agents escalate doesn’t mean that the Braves are going to jump in and start to hand out ridiculous contracts.
ChattTownBrian
June 27th, 2012
7:11 pm
88 mph fastball from Hanson.
brian
June 27th, 2012
7:12 pm
If the braves could get greinke, I could see LibertyMedia increasing payroll by 5-10 million
Bat Masterson
June 27th, 2012
7:13 pm
Why is that, brian?
cabravesfan
June 27th, 2012
7:14 pm
Oy- didn’t need to see that replay of Drew’s ankle…
ChattTownBrian
June 27th, 2012
7:14 pm
My wife just about threw up watching that Drew injury. His foot did a 3/60
brian
June 27th, 2012
7:16 pm
2013 rotation – greinke, Hanson, Hudson, Delgado and Teheran
Lineup – Bourn, Prado, heyward, uggla, freeman, LF, Simmons, bethancourt, P
LF – gattis, Alex Gordon, Eduardo Nunez , etc
CaptainMudd
June 27th, 2012
7:16 pm
“Braves are not going to pay twenty million?”
No not at once….but over the course of a properly designed contractual agreement could it not be a slight possibility? Think they might look at the return of that investment?
brian
June 27th, 2012
7:17 pm
Braves sign greinke for $18 million and Bourn for $12 million per year
Efrim
June 27th, 2012
7:17 pm
Tight strikezone per gamecast.
ChattTownBrian
June 27th, 2012
7:18 pm
Hot potato
Tomahawk Mafia
June 27th, 2012
7:18 pm
2 outs nobody on trouble?
Murph
June 27th, 2012
7:20 pm
The Braves are going to use money from 2018-2024 to sign Greinke and Bourn.
Half of you will be dead by then anyways, so what do you care?
ncbravesfan90
June 27th, 2012
7:20 pm
And Utley promptly homers in his first at bat back.
cabravesfan
June 27th, 2012
7:22 pm
JASON!!!!!!!
CaptainMudd
June 27th, 2012
7:22 pm
Really, when I think of it in length…..I have to say: What kind of damn fool who is outside the braintrust of a given concern would or could speculate how much that particular party would or could spend reguarding a monetary issue—must be a bunch of fools around?
The A Bomb
June 27th, 2012
7:22 pm
BACKTRACKMANIA!
Bat Masterson
June 27th, 2012
7:23 pm
Damn, Jason
Tomahawk Mafia
June 27th, 2012
7:23 pm
Heyward needs to be on the All Star team. I am liking the way he plays right now.
Efrim
June 27th, 2012
7:24 pm
Why are they still pitching to him? So stupid.
TheOnlyBravesFan
June 27th, 2012
7:25 pm
Mac needed to pull the ball there… all you guys want him to go oppo more…
CB
June 27th, 2012
7:26 pm
Jason Heyward is who we thought he was!
Chipper's Southern Bell
June 27th, 2012
7:26 pm
Looking over allstar voting I believe the fans are forgiving about the collapse. Uggla was only player that didn’t fold last year
Jerry
June 27th, 2012
7:28 pm
And Uggla whiffs once more. Imagine that.
Tomahawk Mafia
June 27th, 2012
7:29 pm
So sick of Uggla swinging and missing at everything. There is no pitch that he can handle right now in any location.
Chipper's Southern Bell
June 27th, 2012
7:30 pm
Unforgiving
T-Dawg
June 27th, 2012
7:30 pm
What’s most encouraging about Heyward is that he is getting multiple hits in a game. It tells me that he has finally worked out the kinks in his swing. Always comes back to mechanics.
cabravesfan
June 27th, 2012
7:30 pm
And Jerry show up. Imagine that…
McFann :Ô: :Ô: :ô:
June 27th, 2012
7:31 pm
Ow…
JNick
June 27th, 2012
7:31 pm
Way to get that RISP in, McCann….
Frumpy
June 27th, 2012
7:31 pm
Hanson any chance of All Star team this year? Only just missed last year.
JNick
June 27th, 2012
7:33 pm
You’re on crack if you think Greinke and his anxiety issues are worth $18mil a year….kinda like if you think Mac is worth $13mil a year…
Costanza
June 27th, 2012
7:33 pm
Is anyone even at this damn game!? What a damn joke! George is gettin upset!
Nice homer there from Jason Heywoooohd
Carroll Rogers
June 27th, 2012
7:33 pm
During this career-best 12-game hitting streak, Heyward is hitting 20-for-42 (.476) with four homers (including 1st inning today) and 7 RBI
kevkat
June 27th, 2012
7:35 pm
Tomahawk Mafia
June 27th, 2012
7:29 pm
So sick of Uggla swinging and missing at everything. There is no pitch that he can handle right now in any location
Agreed. I would think most hitters who are in slumps would try different ways to get on….hit the ball the other way..maybe even bunt..just don’t see him doing anything different to try to come out of this slump
Tomahawk Mafia
June 27th, 2012
7:36 pm
Nice shutdown inning for Hanson and he was efficient too.
Costanza
June 27th, 2012
7:38 pm
Ryan Ludwick btw has 11 homers now for Reds in a platoon… How many does McCann have playing 6 outta 7 every week? I think we could use him , right handed bat…
Costanza
June 27th, 2012
7:39 pm
alittle surprised Dexter Fowler has 10 homers as well
ChattTownBrian
June 27th, 2012
7:40 pm
Don’t even start with the Ludwick talk. That name has been written here for years.
cabravesfan
June 27th, 2012
7:41 pm
8 of Dexter Fowler’s 10 home runs have come at home…I wouldn’t read too much into that number for him
NickB
June 27th, 2012
7:42 pm
I honestly could see Liberty spending $20 mill+ a year, AND signing Bourn AND sending for a LF’er for 2013 , but only if they were planning on selling the team soon after and want to maximize attendance and value to a perspective buyer.
It’s a classic business move, when planning to sell maximize assets even if you increase payroll a bit so as to appear more appealing to buyers….
Not to mention that handing out $45mill for Greinke,Bourn and say Quentin (for arguments sake) would only be an increase of $10 mill a so in payroll and I bet Liberty would get twice that back in extra $$$ when they sell. (kinda like spending $8 grand to fix yer bathroom before you sell your house)
Of course ,this is just a speculative point of view on a possible result.
cabravesfan
June 27th, 2012
7:42 pm
And Ludwick only has 9 home runs this year (unless he has hit 2 tonight…)
NickB
June 27th, 2012
7:43 pm
Ludwick hit’s homeruns, and strikes out a ton, that’s pretty much it, but never enough home runs or defensive value to really be much more than a platoon player
cabravesfan
June 27th, 2012
7:43 pm
Which I see that he has so carry on
cabravesfan
June 27th, 2012
7:44 pm
BTW, Mac has only played 4 more games than Ludwick…
Jerry
June 27th, 2012
7:46 pm
Does anyone have Charter and if so, are you getting the Braves game in HD?
Tomahawk Mafia
June 27th, 2012
7:47 pm
Efficiency and Tommy Hanson are two things I never thought would go together, but tonight they seem like a good match.
cabravesfan
June 27th, 2012
7:47 pm
And talk about a product of Coors…Dexter Fowler’s home/rod splits are ridiculous…
Home: .333/.437/1.095 8 HR, 27 RBI, 22 BB, 32 SO (145 PA)
Road: .209/.289/.661 2 HR, 7 RBI, 10 BB, 30 SO (98 PA)
cabravesfan
June 27th, 2012
7:48 pm
*road…
keylargo
June 27th, 2012
7:48 pm
Michael Borne – “I’m warmed up over here in the dugout”.
ncbravesfan90
June 27th, 2012
7:48 pm
They actually got that one right…wish we had these umps for that other call that was missed on a similar play.
Tennessee Braves Fan
June 27th, 2012
7:50 pm
Have not been on in a while but I am glas to see it is still an entertaining read… Leave from Tennessee to Atlantic City on the 8th of July…. Plane lands in Philly so I can finally see the Bravos play a road game live. I have been warned not to wear my gear but how can I resist my Grey (Road) Heyward jersey as hot as he is?
CaptainMudd
June 27th, 2012
7:51 pm
Carry on my Heyward son…..keep plugging and it will for sure smooth out nicely JHey!
JNick
June 27th, 2012
7:53 pm
TBF, I’ve been told that Philly has a nice stadium – I’m hoping to make it up that way myself. Went to the Nats/Braves on the first Sat of June, they sure have a nice ballpark there in DC.
BFChris27
June 27th, 2012
7:53 pm
Heyward
NickB
June 27th, 2012
7:54 pm
Hanson has really taken to the two seamer, seems to be helping his pitch counts
NickB
June 27th, 2012
7:56 pm
Tough one there , probably shouldn’t have thought about the dive and just played it on a hop from the start
Tomahawk Mafia
June 27th, 2012
7:57 pm
That is an inauspicious beginning to the 4th inning.
TheOnlyBravesFan
June 27th, 2012
7:58 pm
having infield in saved the run there…. never too early to do that
(Rob from SC)
June 27th, 2012
7:58 pm
Great pitching there Tommy
kevkat
June 27th, 2012
7:59 pm
Way to go TH..pitching around an error…it can be done
One Big Dummy
June 27th, 2012
7:59 pm
Good job, Big Red!
CaptainMudd
June 27th, 2012
7:59 pm
Got to get some ice kubels for my coke
Rick
June 27th, 2012
8:00 pm
Nice work there Tommy. Him and Hudson have to give credit to the Dbacks for being so aggressive at the plate. Seems like a ton of outs the past two nights have taken three pitches or less.
Tomahawk Mafia
June 27th, 2012
8:00 pm
Great job getting out of that inning without a run scoring. The Diamondbacks did their best Braves impression by having a runner at secondbase with no outs and then failing to score.
TheOnlyBravesFan
June 27th, 2012
8:02 pm
3-man collision almost… wouldn’t have been pretty, believe me. It hurts a lot.
NickB
June 27th, 2012
8:03 pm
really wish I had other options than starting Kubel and Goldy on my fantasy team today, but I didn’t
TheOnlyBravesFan
June 27th, 2012
8:03 pm
agree with you rick…d-backs showing little patience
brian
June 27th, 2012
8:05 pm
Heyward is reminding us why he was a top prospect
ChattTownBrian
June 27th, 2012
8:06 pm
Names for McCann:
- McSquints
- McCann’t See
- McNugget
- McPull
- McCann’t Throw
-McFatty
- McChunky
TheOnlyBravesFan
June 27th, 2012
8:06 pm
Ughh Dan
ncbravesfan90
June 27th, 2012
8:06 pm
If I was a pitcher I wouldn’t throw Uggla another fastball.
kevkat
June 27th, 2012
8:07 pm
He is trying to pull everything…can he even hit to right ?
Jerry
June 27th, 2012
8:07 pm
HIS NAME IS DAN “FAN” UGGLA!
(Rob from SC)
June 27th, 2012
8:07 pm
Man, Uggla can’t lay off that sweeping slider
NickB
June 27th, 2012
8:07 pm
calling players name’s is a douche move
what are you 12?
Tomahawk Mafia
June 27th, 2012
8:08 pm
Such a predictable at bat from Uggla. He no longer can even put a ball in play much less make contact.
NickB
June 27th, 2012
8:08 pm
and no you don’t have a “right” to call players names because yer a fan.
Stop being an entitled spoiled rotten child
ChattTownBrian
June 27th, 2012
8:10 pm
no I’m 30. Will be a new daddy next February. Weep for the future …
NickB
June 27th, 2012
8:10 pm
then wtf is up with the childish names?
yer better than that
Murph
June 27th, 2012
8:11 pm
calling players name’s is a douche move
what are you 12?
Time to get going on some names for NickB…
NickBADouche
NickBAndIdiot
I’ll post more tomorrow, gotta run.
ChattTownBrian
June 27th, 2012
8:13 pm
NickB, hush.
brian
June 27th, 2012
8:15 pm
Great job big red
NickB
June 27th, 2012
8:15 pm
lucky I’m not nearby
SOS Braves
June 27th, 2012
8:15 pm
Braves have a big void in the #5 hole. Of course it is STRIKEOUT king Dan Uggla. He is pathetic right now.
ChattTownBrian
June 27th, 2012
8:16 pm
Here’s my thing – would I call McCann those names to his face or yell it at him from the stands? No. Here hiding behind a computer? You bet.
brian
June 27th, 2012
8:17 pm
2 hits through four is not very impressive
kevkat
June 27th, 2012
8:17 pm
NickB
June 27th, 2012
8:15 pm
lucky I’m not nearby
uh-oh..fight, fight ,fight, fight….lol..
NickB
June 27th, 2012
8:17 pm
Cuz then you’d get rasberried!!!
kevkat
June 27th, 2012
8:17 pm
Enter your comments here
NickB
June 27th, 2012
8:18 pm
I’m not going to actually start a friggin fight on the interweb!!! eeesh
BFChris27
June 27th, 2012
8:19 pm
Freeman!!!!!!!!!
Rick
June 27th, 2012
8:20 pm
Nice BB by Chipper after an 0-2 count.
TheOnlyBravesFan
June 27th, 2012
8:21 pm
Very dumb play by Cahill
BFChris27
June 27th, 2012
8:21 pm
Thanks Cahill
JNick
June 27th, 2012
8:21 pm
I’d call McCann names to his face…what’s he going to do, swing at me and miss, or pull a punch to the side of my head? Sit on me?
George Stein
June 27th, 2012
8:21 pm
Take ‘em any way we can get ‘em.
NickB
June 27th, 2012
8:21 pm
about time we had some of these kinda breaks go our way
Couch Tater
June 27th, 2012
8:22 pm
And just because prices for free agents escalate doesn’t mean that the Braves are going to jump in and start to hand out ridiculous contracts.
Efrim – In cased you missed it …
“Instead of being more patient and saying, ‘We’ll strike when the time is right,’ there was a lot of pressure in the environment at the time to do something,” Epstein said in an radio interview with 98.5 FM. “If I learned a lesson from the (2009) offseason, it’s never feel the need to do something. If you’re trying to avoid one move that you don’t think is going to work out, don’t then settle for a different move that maybe doesn’t check all the boxes. Be true to the philosophy and understand the bigger picture. There’s always another day to fight. You don’t have to get everything done in one offseason just because of what’s going on in the environment around you.”
Here’s the rest…
http://www.providencejournal.com/sports/red-sox/content/Red_Sox_Cubs_Theo_Epstein_06-17-12_8QVUC82_v2.1c29d1e.html
NickB
June 27th, 2012
8:22 pm
Hanson, not much with the stck
JNick
June 27th, 2012
8:24 pm
Well, he can draw a walk from a struggling pitcher
BFChris27
June 27th, 2012
8:24 pm
Bourn gonna go for a grand slam
NickB
June 27th, 2012
8:24 pm
I bet Montero was gripin at the ump there
Venice Jim
June 27th, 2012
8:24 pm
Nice job, Tommy!
NickB
June 27th, 2012
8:24 pm
I would be happy with a single to left center right now, 4-0 sounds good
NickB
June 27th, 2012
8:25 pm
Braves need to score here, cuz tomorrow has all the makings of one of the days they take off
JNick
June 27th, 2012
8:25 pm
SF works too….
BFChris27
June 27th, 2012
8:25 pm
Bourn!!!!!!!!!!!
NickB
June 27th, 2012
8:26 pm
sac fly works
Heyward up now
Efrim
June 27th, 2012
8:26 pm
Couch Tater – I actually heard that interview, or parts to it, on The Baseball Show here up in CT. Red Sox show mostly, but it was a really interesting interview and it’s funny how Theo felt the need to do that interview. Good stuff though and a lot of it was well put.
JNick
June 27th, 2012
8:27 pm
Not sure if it was discussed – but anyone think Kemp will pick Heyward for the NL HR Derby team?
keylargo
June 27th, 2012
8:27 pm
Heyward gapper.
NickB
June 27th, 2012
8:27 pm
it’s amazing how increased plate discipline has lead to runs the past few games
Efrim
June 27th, 2012
8:28 pm
3 ball count…will he walk??
BFChris27
June 27th, 2012
8:28 pm
Heyward walk
Tomahawk Mafia
June 27th, 2012
8:29 pm
The Braves need to take full advantage of this situation.
Efrim
June 27th, 2012
8:29 pm
Wow. Way to go, Jason!
Rick
June 27th, 2012
8:29 pm
JNick, I read this morning that Kemp said he picked his team based on stats, so I doubt it.
BFChris27
June 27th, 2012
8:30 pm
More Runs
George Stein
June 27th, 2012
8:30 pm
Pretty sure there’s a Paul Johnson sighting at the game tonight on the first base side of the “S” in SunTrust. Go Jackets!
ncbravesfan90
June 27th, 2012
8:31 pm
I think Mac told the homeplate ump how he felt about that first strike haha
ChattTownBrian
June 27th, 2012
8:32 pm
Oh, I forgot about this gem:
McPopUp
Tomahawk Mafia
June 27th, 2012
8:32 pm
Mac is about as hopeless as Uggla, but good inning though.
T-Dawg
June 27th, 2012
8:33 pm
Great patience at the plate that inning. Mac and Uggla are just awful right now though.
Efrim
June 27th, 2012
8:33 pm
Mac down to .235/.306/.398 for the year. Yikes.
kevkat
June 27th, 2012
8:34 pm
NickB
June 27th, 2012
8:18 pm
I’m not going to actually start a friggin fight on the interweb!!! e
Awwwwww
truth5
June 27th, 2012
8:35 pm
You know both of our big scoring drives last night and tonight started with Chipper and Freeman. Last night Chipper hit and Freeman hit. Tonight a Chipper walk and Freeman hit…. In the meantime, Uggla and Mccann continue to struggle. Why not move Chip to the 4 hole and Freeman in the 5 hole… This way, you have your 5 best hitters batting in the top of the lineup, instead of just your 3.
Bronke
June 27th, 2012
8:35 pm
McCann & Uggla the black holes in the Braves lineup
McFann :Ô: :Ô: :ô:
June 27th, 2012
8:36 pm
Efrim Mac down to .235/.306/.398 for the year. Yikes.
Never mind!……We know!…
Tomahawk Mafia
June 27th, 2012
8:36 pm
Parra is a good player, he plays great defense and is generally a thorn in the Braves’ side.
Couch Tater
June 27th, 2012
8:36 pm
Efrim – It takes a strong GM and org. to stay true to that philosophy. Particularly, if you have deep pockets. Lots of pressure.
…of course, a professional feels no pressure or he wouldn’t have made to the major league. : )
ChattTownBrian
June 27th, 2012
8:36 pm
NickB don’t want none of ME!
cabravesfan
June 27th, 2012
8:37 pm
Nice throw!
The A Bomb
June 27th, 2012
8:37 pm
Mike Trout is the man.
http://www.mlb.com/video/play.jsp?content_id=22643503&partnerId=aw-5988781732410696207-996
McFann :Ô: :Ô: :ô:
June 27th, 2012
8:37 pm
OUT!! HAHA!!
George Stein
June 27th, 2012
8:37 pm
Mac isn’t quite so useless.
kevkat
June 27th, 2012
8:37 pm
OMG…Give that ball to BMAC
Tomahawk Mafia
June 27th, 2012
8:38 pm
Good throw from Mac, but it appears the Braves may have received a gift call.
McFann :Ô: :Ô: :ô:
June 27th, 2012
8:38 pm
That throw was a thing of beauty.
ncbravesfan90
June 27th, 2012
8:38 pm
Looked out on replay
cabravesfan
June 27th, 2012
8:39 pm
It was close, but the throw was spot on perfect
kevkat
June 27th, 2012
8:39 pm
“Bourne” to be a gazelle
2K91
June 27th, 2012
8:39 pm
I know Uggla does not like to sit but I think a day or 2 off would do him good.
It might give him a chance to clear his head.
(Rob from SC)
June 27th, 2012
8:42 pm
Lazy effort
Tomahawk Mafia
June 27th, 2012
8:43 pm
Mac looked pretty bad on that wild pitch by Hanson.
Loosing Managar = Loosing Record
June 27th, 2012
8:43 pm
Wow that drunky Hansen is trying 2 blow this game
Venice Jim
June 27th, 2012
8:44 pm
Says drunky Managar…
cabravesfan
June 27th, 2012
8:44 pm
Man, you’re right- Tommy looks horrible
phil
June 27th, 2012
8:45 pm
You can’t clear a rock…
National Spelling Bee
June 27th, 2012
8:45 pm
Loosing Managar = Loosing Record
June 27th, 2012
8:43 pm
Wow that drunky Hansen is trying 2 blow this game
HUH? You’re out.
cabravesfan
June 27th, 2012
8:45 pm
In all seriousness though, Tommy has quietly put together a pretty nice season so far, in spite of what some folks would have you believe…
keylargo1
June 27th, 2012
8:45 pm
Y’all cool it on Uggla. He’s always been streaky and did not start to hit until July last year and then he carried the team for a couple of months. When he starts hitting the Braves will start winning,
Jul 9, 2011 to Sep 28, 2011 .294 /.375/ .572 /.947
TNScott
June 27th, 2012
8:45 pm
Right now Uggla and Mac need to be in the 6 & 7 spots.
phil
June 27th, 2012
8:46 pm
What’s Tommy’s pitch count?
He’s obviously throwing well.
Rick
June 27th, 2012
8:46 pm
77 pitches through 6.
cabravesfan
June 27th, 2012
8:47 pm
Tommy’s at 77 pitches
Tomahawk Mafia
June 27th, 2012
8:47 pm
Nice to see Uggla reach base via walk.
ncbravesfan90
June 27th, 2012
8:47 pm
cabravesfan-
I agree, Tommy has had a real nice season thus far! Adding another starter to the rotation before the deadline would really solidify this rotation.
cabravesfan
June 27th, 2012
8:47 pm
OLD MAN!!!!!!!!!!!!!
TNScott
June 27th, 2012
8:47 pm
HOSS!!!!!
The A Bomb
June 27th, 2012
8:47 pm
HOLY ALL-BRAN BATMAN!
Bravefaninok
June 27th, 2012
8:47 pm
oLD mAN!!!!!!!!
Venice Jim
June 27th, 2012
8:48 pm
CHIPPERAMA!!!!
Loosing Managar = Loosing Record
June 27th, 2012
8:48 pm
ever 1 no that Hansen has a drinking and or drug problem. If U dont than U R hiding UR hed in a whole.
Couch Tater
June 27th, 2012
8:48 pm
Finally! Yes!
George Stein
June 27th, 2012
8:48 pm
Sumbitch can still hit.
TheOnlyBravesFan
June 27th, 2012
8:49 pm
#460 for Chipper
Tomahawk Mafia
June 27th, 2012
8:49 pm
Chipper was able to get that one out after hitting two balls to the wall in left field that past couple games.
ChattTownBrian
June 27th, 2012
8:49 pm
That Chipper is somethin’
cabravesfan
June 27th, 2012
8:49 pm
Ok, who let the Looney out of his Bin?? You need to PUT HIM BACK!
National Spelling Bee
June 27th, 2012
8:49 pm
Loosing Managar = Loosing Record
June 27th, 2012
8:48 pm
ever 1 no that Hansen has a drinking and or drug problem. If U dont than U R hiding UR hed in a whole.
SOMEONE CALL SECURITY AND GET THIS LOOSER OUT OF HERE.
JC Brave
June 27th, 2012
8:49 pm
CHIPPAH!
Jerry
June 27th, 2012
8:49 pm
Yay! Uggla walks. Makes his OBP for this game .333. That should please the shyt out of the Dan Uggla Apologist Assn. Why? Because his OBP is all the matters, even though he is paid to drive in runs.
Tomahawk Mafia
June 27th, 2012
8:50 pm
Loosing Managar = Loosing Record
I never knew that Hanson had a drinking or drug problem. What are your sources?
TheOnlyBravesFan
June 27th, 2012
8:51 pm
nice to see how slow this blog is when we win… no trolls crying and such. I can keep up with it here at the Ted!
George Stein
June 27th, 2012
8:51 pm
Damn, take a pitch, Freddie.
Loosing Managar = Loosing Record
June 27th, 2012
8:51 pm
@ Natonal Speeling Bee
U got a problem with my opinon? Tuff cuz at least I tlak baseball. All U can do is inslut other posters. You R the 1 that need 2 go a way.
keylargo
June 27th, 2012
8:52 pm
Losing Manager – Losing record
Take that sh!t somewhere else. Get the fu*ck off this blog.
TNScott
June 27th, 2012
8:52 pm
Nice hit, Freddie!!!
TheOnlyBravesFan
June 27th, 2012
8:52 pm
Hanson gonna go deep tonight. I like. I chose a good game. Now to ensure that JJ doesn’t blow up because of me tomorrow, I’m not leaving any karma here.
phil
June 27th, 2012
8:52 pm
Play on, Chipper Jones!
Where are the morons calling for his head a week ago?
JNick
June 27th, 2012
8:53 pm
….probably the voices in his head.
Still think it’s funny that Spelling Bee misspelled “loser”…lol
The A Bomb
June 27th, 2012
8:53 pm
Hope Gonzalez sticks with this lineup and doesn’t roll out the retail schedule tomorrow. He might break out in a rash, but this team needs to get rolling at home.
BFChris27
June 27th, 2012
8:53 pm
Old Man!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Loosing Managar = Loosing Record
June 27th, 2012
8:54 pm
@ Tomohawk
He crash his car in sprig training and the Braves cover it up. Said he had a tire blowed out on his car and it was no big deal but he was out for a month the same amont of time 2 be in rehab.
ChattTownBrian
June 27th, 2012
8:54 pm
And Chipper has done all that he’s done and still doing, clean as a whistle.
phil
June 27th, 2012
8:55 pm
cabravesfan
June 27th, 2012
8:55 pm
A month is also about the proper time to get over a moderate concussion
TBbravesfan
June 27th, 2012
8:55 pm
we just need more mondays off.
Loosing Managar = Loosing Record
June 27th, 2012
8:55 pm
@ keylargo
Im a good Christan man and dont like the langauge U R ussing at me. Pleez behave like a groanup.
phil
June 27th, 2012
8:58 pm
You are also a maroon….
JNick
June 27th, 2012
8:58 pm
There is no way someone can be that dumb….
cabravesfan
June 27th, 2012
8:58 pm
Buster Olney @Buster_ESPN
Mike Trout 3-for-4 tonight; he’s reached base 97 times via hit, BB or HBP in his first 53 games, with 47 runs scored.
brian
June 27th, 2012
8:58 pm
Chipper and freeman getting it going tonight.still waiting for mccann
Loosing Managar = Loosing Record
June 27th, 2012
8:58 pm
@ cabraves fan
U just keep on beliefing that if it makes U fell beter.
George Stein
June 27th, 2012
8:59 pm
I believe the comment “your” looking for, phil, is “your an idiot.”
JNick
June 27th, 2012
8:59 pm
@cabravesfan, so how bad of a concussion does McCann have?
we’re going on 11 months now….
TheOnlyBravesFan
June 27th, 2012
8:59 pm
Loosing Managar: You’re a Christian man? Your bad spelling caused this
All U can do is inslut other posters
Bravefaninok
June 27th, 2012
9:01 pm
Loosing Managar = Loosing Record
June 27th, 2012
8:48 pm
ever 1 no that Hansen has a drinking and or drug problem. If U dont than U R hiding UR hed in a whole.
That is not an opinion it is SLANDER! BMFT should hunt you down and squash you.
CaptainMudd
June 27th, 2012
9:01 pm
Hi @cabravesfan…..I was just wondering….how far are you all from Oakland, CA?
One Big Dummy
June 27th, 2012
9:02 pm
So, I’ll get noticed by more of the posters here if I act more like “Loosing Managar = Loosing Record,” is that how it works? (^;
The A Bomb
June 27th, 2012
9:02 pm
Trout also made a ridiculous catch in CF. Check it out.
TheOnlyBravesFan
June 27th, 2012
9:02 pm
this person needs to go to the mental asylum with “Samantha”….
cabravesfan
June 27th, 2012
9:03 pm
Captn
Oakland is just short of 400 miles from here
BFChris27
June 27th, 2012
9:03 pm
I am happy I acquired Trout in one of my leagues
cabravesfan
June 27th, 2012
9:03 pm
A Bomb-
Trout is an absolute stud. Kid has everything you would want in a ball player…I’m a big fan
Loosing Managar = Loosing Record
June 27th, 2012
9:05 pm
Dont thretan me. It is illeagle to do so even on the internet.
Fan since '66
June 27th, 2012
9:05 pm
How ’bout a little love for Hanson? Dude has pitched his arse off tonight, again. And I am not even a fan of his.
JNick
June 27th, 2012
9:05 pm
So is posting slanderous comments about people…
cabravesfan
June 27th, 2012
9:06 pm
Bravefaninok-
Technically, it would be Libel, since it was written
Loosing Managar = Loosing Record
June 27th, 2012
9:06 pm
So call the cops
ncbravesfan90
June 27th, 2012
9:06 pm
Yikes….89 mph
JNick
June 27th, 2012
9:07 pm
@66, yeah, he’s been erratic over the years, but this year, he seems much more stable and like he’s finally putting it together…
and as I type that, he gives up a 3 run dinger…lol
BFChris27
June 27th, 2012
9:07 pm
Hanson trying to give Kimbrel a save chance
Loosing Managar = Loosing Record
June 27th, 2012
9:07 pm
See? Hansen give up HR ball. WOuld a sober palyer do that this late in the game?
cabravesfan
June 27th, 2012
9:07 pm
Tommy still pitched an excellent game
TheOnlyBravesFan
June 27th, 2012
9:08 pm
Dang. Still a good start though. Was just wondering to myself if TH should come out before Roberts.
CaptainMudd
June 27th, 2012
9:08 pm
Has Hanson had a complete game effort in MLB?
Bravefaninok
June 27th, 2012
9:08 pm
cabravesfan
June 27th, 2012
9:06 pm
Bravefaninok-
Technically, it would be Libel, since it was written
My bad.
The A Bomb
June 27th, 2012
9:08 pm
Got to be smarter than that. First pitch hacker. That’s on McCann as well.
One Big Dummy
June 27th, 2012
9:08 pm
Trollololololololol
ChattTownBrian
June 27th, 2012
9:08 pm
Dammit
Jay Dubu
June 27th, 2012
9:09 pm
Can any of the starters get through 7 innings on a regular bases other than Hudson?
TheOnlyBravesFan
June 27th, 2012
9:09 pm
Hanson trying to give Kimbrel a save chance
I don’t mind. Love seeing Kimbrel pitch
Fan since '66
June 27th, 2012
9:09 pm
I’ll take that outing out of Hanson every time.
braves rule
June 27th, 2012
9:09 pm
who is scouing these guys even i know the only pitch roberts can hit is the fastball.
Matt
June 27th, 2012
9:09 pm
Lmfao just stop responding to the troll and he’ll eventually get bored and go away.
keylargo
June 27th, 2012
9:09 pm
losing manager – losing record – let me put it this way then. *uck you and don’t let me see your trouble making ass on here again.
Tomahawk Mafia
June 27th, 2012
9:09 pm
Hanson lost his effectiveness pretty quickly. On the bright side, it is best that Venters comes into the game without anyone on base.
cabravesfan
June 27th, 2012
9:10 pm
Bravefaninok-
I suppose you can be forgiven. I had to sit through 3 hours of lectures on the difference between slander & Libel, so you all have to put up with me
Fan since '66
June 27th, 2012
9:10 pm
that one was on McCann
The A Bomb
June 27th, 2012
9:10 pm
I posted it earlier but here it is again…..Trout is a stud. Unbelievable catch.
http://www.mlb.com/video/play.jsp?content_id=22643503&partnerId=aw-5988781732410696207-996
TheOnlyBravesFan
June 27th, 2012
9:10 pm
See? Hansen give up HR ball. WOuld a sober palyer do that this late in the game?
You are a moronn. Don’t know what else to say.
Got to be smarter than that. First pitch hacker. That’s on McCann as well.
Especially since McDowell just came out with a scouting report I’d assume. I’d hope they’d know that.
JV, stay sharp!
Carroll Rogers
June 27th, 2012
9:11 pm
line on Hanson: 6 1/3 innings, seven hits, three earned runs, one homer, one walk, one wild pitch. five Ks. 90 pitches, 58 strikes
TheOnlyBravesFan
June 27th, 2012
9:12 pm
keylargo: don’t F him, if you know what I mean.
Dang it JV! We’re gonna need Kimmeh tonight unless we score some more.
Brava
June 27th, 2012
9:12 pm
Gas Can Jonny.
Tomahawk Mafia
June 27th, 2012
9:12 pm
If they blow a 6-0 lead through 6 innings all hell will break lose.
The A Bomb
June 27th, 2012
9:12 pm
Chris Young just kills us. Every year it seems.
Tomahawk Mafia
June 27th, 2012
9:13 pm
Venters has allowed 5 homeruns this season.
nolie
June 27th, 2012
9:13 pm
things change quickly around the Ted
TheOnlyBravesFan
June 27th, 2012
9:13 pm
line on Hanson: 6 1/3 innings, seven hits, three earned runs, one homer, one walk, one wild pitch. five Ks. 90 pitches, 58 strikes
Only 90 pitches. If not for the homer ( and back to back hits), he could’ve gone deeper. Hanson was great tonight.
T-Dawg
June 27th, 2012
9:13 pm
Unbelievable.
Jay Dubu
June 27th, 2012
9:14 pm
The Braves were cruising along…and boom, goes the dynamite!
Game is too close to relax already.
TBbravesfan
June 27th, 2012
9:14 pm
oh well.
BFChris27
June 27th, 2012
9:14 pm
Venters just wanted to make sure it was a more closer save situation
Loosing Managar = Loosing Record
June 27th, 2012
9:15 pm
WhT did I tell U about hansen?
CaptainMudd
June 27th, 2012
9:16 pm
@KeyLargo…..”…..don’t let me see your trouble making ass on here again!”
For that character, the context of his posts certainly deserve a scolding….so bravo to you Key!
cabravesfan
June 27th, 2012
9:16 pm
You know Hanson didn’t give up that last run, right?
ChattTownBrian
June 27th, 2012
9:16 pm
Still think we need a late game reliever to go with a starter.
TheOnlyBravesFan
June 27th, 2012
9:17 pm
BFChris: Nah, I think he wanted us to get to truly use our Tomahawk chop louder….
BFChris27
June 27th, 2012
9:18 pm
TheOnlyBravesFan
Touche
TheOnlyBravesFan
June 27th, 2012
9:18 pm
Still think we need a late game reliever to go with a starter.
I’d agree with that.
JNick
June 27th, 2012
9:19 pm
I know I’m hoping Moylan comes back strong and reliable…
ncbravesfan90
June 27th, 2012
9:20 pm
Dadgum, has he not ran out of popups yet?
Hmmmm
June 27th, 2012
9:20 pm
“Venters has allowed 5 homeruns this season”
dang, he could easily double his 2010/2011 combined homer total (3), before the AS Break this year
TheOnlyBravesFan
June 27th, 2012
9:20 pm
I know I’m hoping Moylan comes back strong and reliable…
That would be nice, but he is just a roogy. Regardless, I’m not pinning all my hopes on Moylan.
Tomahawk Mafia
June 27th, 2012
9:20 pm
The Braves really need to decrease the number innings where they give up multiple runs. They really have had trouble preventing runs from scoring with two outs and trouble preventing the big inning.
nolie
June 27th, 2012
9:20 pm
Moylan is pretty crappy against lefties, he is not gonna be a savior IMO
Beck
June 27th, 2012
9:21 pm
Whenever Mike Zagurski comes in for Arizona, I can’t help but think of the John Goodman’s character from Monsters, Inc. – Mike Wazowski. The names and appearances are so similar.
ncbravesfan90
June 27th, 2012
9:22 pm
Moylan will probably be better than most that come out of the Atlanta bullpen (except Kimbrel and Eric O). Regardless, he is better than anyone we could bring up from AAA.
CaptainMudd
June 27th, 2012
9:22 pm
BFChris27……”Venters just wanted closer save situation”
Looks like our middle pen pals have a plan–however, they always get exposed quickly; we just don’t have a ’shut down guy for that situation.
“
ChattTownBrian
June 27th, 2012
9:23 pm
Hanson took a breath and it cost him.
Venters walked out to the mound and it cost us.
Tomahawk Mafia
June 27th, 2012
9:24 pm
I no longer have that great of a feeling about this game. It is becoming too close for comfort and it would be really embarrassing to let a strong outing by Hanson and a 6-0 lead slip away.
JNick
June 27th, 2012
9:24 pm
If you look at the pitching splits, Braves pitching is actually doing worse against righties….so I’d take Moylan, crappy stats against lefties or not.
NickB
June 27th, 2012
9:24 pm
Kubel can hit lefty’s, gotta be careful here, but not too careful with Goldy on deck
Jaded Braves Fan
June 27th, 2012
9:24 pm
Our bullpen is a sieve.
cabravesfan
June 27th, 2012
9:26 pm
DP here…
nolie
June 27th, 2012
9:26 pm
I remember whining about the pen and the bench b4 the season even started
ncbravesfan90
June 27th, 2012
9:27 pm
nolie-
I feel ya, I feel ya. Hard to believe no additions were made to the bench espeically, and only one addition (Durbin) to the bullpen.
NickB
June 27th, 2012
9:27 pm
If you want to have a good chuckle, go peruse the benches of most other nL teams, some of them are just awful, make the Braves bench look like the Yankees
JNick
June 27th, 2012
9:29 pm
…might be time for the Durbinator….
Tomahawk Mafia
June 27th, 2012
9:29 pm
Go ahead run comes to the plate. This is getting stressful.
(Rob from SC)
June 27th, 2012
9:29 pm
Never easy is it…
(Rob from SC)
June 27th, 2012
9:30 pm
We really need O’Flaherty and Venters to get their stuff together
One Big Dummy
June 27th, 2012
9:30 pm
@Beck: Sutton has called him “Bronko Zagurski” a couple of times.
NickB
June 27th, 2012
9:30 pm
UGGLA!!!!!
TNScott
June 27th, 2012
9:30 pm
WOW!!!
Brava
June 27th, 2012
9:30 pm
Uggs!!!!!
Jaded Braves Fan
June 27th, 2012
9:30 pm
Simmons isn’t human.
(Rob from SC)
June 27th, 2012
9:30 pm
Simmons is fast on that turn
cabravesfan
June 27th, 2012
9:31 pm
Like I said…no worries!
TheOnlyBravesFan
June 27th, 2012
9:31 pm
WHat a start to that DP by my man UGGS. Man I love him
Trey
June 27th, 2012
9:31 pm
WOW!!!
ncbravesfan90
June 27th, 2012
9:31 pm
I thought people said Uggla could field his position….hmm
Bravefaninok
June 27th, 2012
9:31 pm
Danny may be slumping but He made that look easy!!!!!!!!
TheOnlyBravesFan
June 27th, 2012
9:31 pm
Ain’t Uggla useless, betcha Infante doesn’t make that turn
ncbravesfan90
June 27th, 2012
9:31 pm
*couldn’t
ChattTownBrian
June 27th, 2012
9:31 pm
That was pretty by Uggla and Simmons. Wow! Might have been a game changer.
Tomahawk Mafia
June 27th, 2012
9:31 pm
Great double play by Uggla and Simmons. That would be been trouble without such a great play.
The A Bomb
June 27th, 2012
9:32 pm
Gotta say it — Uggla’s winning me over with defense. Never thought I’d say that.
CaptainMudd
June 27th, 2012
9:32 pm
This game is a prime example of the degree of fight the Braves have…..overcoming that poor action by Venters and capturing the mo back again…..we will and Atlanta will win this one IMO.
Trey
June 27th, 2012
9:32 pm
I think National Spelling Bee and Loosing Managar are the same folks.
NickB
June 27th, 2012
9:32 pm
Did you know that at present Uggla is the 7th ranked defensive 2nd baseman in baseball this season?
hard to fathom, I know, but according to UZR , it’s true
(Rob from SC)
June 27th, 2012
9:33 pm
Are the Tigers the most disappointing team in baseball
TheOnlyBravesFan
June 27th, 2012
9:33 pm
that catch might have saved the lead… Uggla’s defense isn’t as bad as it looked on that crappy turf in Florida. #GoldGloveForUggla
Now, let’s #CommenceTheChop
NickB
June 27th, 2012
9:34 pm
maybe the big defensive play will get him going
CaptainMudd
June 27th, 2012
9:34 pm
Another Uggla….what the heck can ya say?
Tomahawk Mafia
June 27th, 2012
9:35 pm
Yeah, last I looked, Uggla was sporting a positive UZR this season.
Jaded Braves Fan
June 27th, 2012
9:35 pm
Great play by Uggla, but Simmons’ lightning-quick release was what really caught me eye there. Kid is incredible.
ncbravesfan90
June 27th, 2012
9:36 pm
Dang blue, you got a date tonight? That was a foot up and out
cabravesfan
June 27th, 2012
9:36 pm
Wow…that ball was…just wow
Disgusted
June 27th, 2012
9:36 pm
Will the Braves please do something with Johnny Venterbumb —please throw this guy off this team he is the worst relief pitcher in the game today.
He has to go I don;t care how he is gone I never want to see him pitch another game for the Braves again. Hate the guy, despise him.
What can Braves fans do to run him outta town. Boo him, make his life miserable the way he has made our lives miserable this yr.
I just despise that POS.
CaptainMudd
June 27th, 2012
9:37 pm
That damn ball was in Greenville, SC
Rick
June 27th, 2012
9:37 pm
That should have been Chipper’s second walk tonight after falling behind 0-2.
Tomahawk Mafia
June 27th, 2012
9:37 pm
That was a terrible call, Chipper should be on first base with a walk.
TheOnlyBravesFan
June 27th, 2012
9:37 pm
hard to fathom, I know, but according to UZR , it’s true
Not hard to fathom if you watch him and not remember that all-star game. He’s pretty darn good with the glove
Brava
June 27th, 2012
9:37 pm
Kimmeh Time!
TheOnlyBravesFan
June 27th, 2012
9:38 pm
Flames= Kimbrel Time! Yeah!
Tomahawk Mafia
June 27th, 2012
9:38 pm
I hope Kimbrel continues his dominance, I want no funny business in the 9th inning.
nolie
June 27th, 2012
9:39 pm
who’s good with the glove, Uggla?
Rick
June 27th, 2012
9:41 pm
Nats already up 8-0 on Colorado in the third.
Jaded Braves Fan
June 27th, 2012
9:41 pm
They’re not going to give up on Venters this quickly. He’s been bad this year, but he was exceptional in 2010 and 2011. He should be used in lower leverage situations, though the Braves don’t really have any better options.
Sadly, Venters’ best days may be behind him. Great relievers tend to burn out quickly.
cabravesfan
June 27th, 2012
9:42 pm
Nats already up 8-0 on Colorado in the third.
Which, being in Colorado, doesn’t mean a whole lot
(Rob from SC)
June 27th, 2012
9:42 pm
Venters will be fine… Just needs a DL stint for rest
JNick
June 27th, 2012
9:43 pm
….this kid is ridiculous…
JNick
June 27th, 2012
9:44 pm
Only 96? He’s just getting warmed up….
keylargo
June 27th, 2012
9:44 pm
I read the article on John Rocker that was in the Macon paper yesterday and he casually talked about doing roids “because everyone else was too”. TO have some imbecile come on here and dirty up the reps of players who have worked hard and made MLB on their own merits and without drugs or roids can’t be ignored. The liars who say these things need to be told what they are – troulble making liars who have no proof or they would be posting it.
Driver8
June 27th, 2012
9:45 pm
As a huge REM fan and Braves fan … i offer this great nickname for Craig Kimbrel … .Automatic for the People!!!!!!
Brava
June 27th, 2012
9:45 pm
Great job as usual, Craig! Braves Win!
cabravesfan
June 27th, 2012
9:45 pm
KIMMEH!
BRAVES WIN!!
Disgusted
June 27th, 2012
9:45 pm
Kimbrell is the real deal, the only bulpen pitcher we can relly trust this yr.
Its too bad about the decline of Venters but there is really no situation they can use him in. Gwinnett is the only place you can hide him. Clearly he cannot be trusted this yr.
BFChris27
June 27th, 2012
9:45 pm
See!!!!!!!!!!
TheOnlyBravesFan
June 27th, 2012
9:46 pm
Man is Kimbrel Dominant!!!! WOW!
In other news, I brought you guys a W. Go me.
ncbravesfan90
June 27th, 2012
9:46 pm
Domination folks. He has to be closing the all star game if the NL has the lead.
Bravefaninok
June 27th, 2012
9:46 pm
Nice drama free 9th…..WTG Craig.
Jaded Braves Fan
June 27th, 2012
9:46 pm
Kimbrel may pick up a few stray Cy Young votes this year. Kid is in a zone.
BFChris27
June 27th, 2012
9:46 pm
Woot Woot
The A Bomb
June 27th, 2012
9:46 pm
Now….don’t be satisfied with 2 of 3….we’re facing a REALLY tough cookie tomorrow who will be amped beyond his usual off-the-charts self.
TNScott
June 27th, 2012
9:46 pm
To take off a Linda Ronstadt song here that was “Blew By You!”
Tomahawk Mafia
June 27th, 2012
9:47 pm
Another nice win. My only complaint was Hanson tiring in the 7th inning.
nolie
June 27th, 2012
9:47 pm
everybody I knew who was still in baseball said that 70% were using, so I doubt Rocker is far off, Jose said the same thing when he broke the story
John in Wichita
June 27th, 2012
9:47 pm
Nothing better than watching Kimbrel in the 9th these days.
Sopheee
June 27th, 2012
9:47 pm
Sweet win. Bats at it again judging by the score.
Disgusted
June 27th, 2012
9:48 pm
Anything John Rockhead says has to be taken with a grain of salt.
He made a fool of himself and his career. Made a life of blaiming others and that is wrong.
Too bad, he did look like the real thing for that one hit wonder season.
JNick
June 27th, 2012
9:48 pm
…you guys know Fruiti will start the B-squad tomorrow – Francisco, Ross (who isn’t really a drop off from his counterpart, but anyway…), Diaz, Hinske, Wilson….
TheOnlyBravesFan
June 27th, 2012
9:48 pm
who’s good with the glove, Uggla?
Yea
nolie
June 27th, 2012
9:49 pm
no
TheOnlyBravesFan
June 27th, 2012
9:49 pm
Mark Bowman @mlbbowman
That was the sixth time this year Kimbrel has recorded three strikeouts in an inning and third time in a perfect inning.
Disgusted
June 27th, 2012
9:49 pm
Venters might be fine someday but not this yr.
Maybe next yr but I am frustrated with him. He has fallen off the face of the earth as far as his pitching goes.
richbrave
June 27th, 2012
9:49 pm
It’s amazin’ how good UGGLA looks with SIMMONS to his right.
TheOnlyBravesFan
June 27th, 2012
9:50 pm
nolie: Ok, well (quite a bit) better than avg.
JNick
June 27th, 2012
9:50 pm
Uggla hustles – he goes after every ball like a rabid badger…
McFann :Ô: :Ô: :ô:
June 27th, 2012
9:50 pm
Great job by Kimbrel!!…
Rick
June 27th, 2012
9:51 pm
Buster Olney @Buster_ESPN
Craig Kimbrel’s last 14 games:14 innings, 2 hits, 0 runs, 0 walks, 24 strikeouts, including 3 today. http://espn.go.com/mlb/player/gamelog/_/id/30653/craig-kimbrel Last walk: May 15.
TNScott
June 27th, 2012
9:51 pm
You’ll probably see a lot of the B-teamers with the 100+ temps these next few days.
The A Bomb
June 27th, 2012
9:51 pm
JNIck — that would be MORONIC against Bauer. He would strike out 12-15 guys if he starts the bomb squad.
Bauer is going to be Cy candidate before you know it and the starters need a good look at his repertoire. I think Gonzalez will stay with this lineup, for the most part. Maybe Chipper would sit.
Disgusted
June 27th, 2012
9:51 pm
Two wins vs a Arizona team who can be tough — now that is a great thing.
Of course we want 3, lets go for it. Have to give them credit for two home W’s when home has not been so easy this yr.
richbrave
June 27th, 2012
9:51 pm
Enter your comments here
cabravesfan
June 27th, 2012
9:53 pm
Buster Olney @Buster_ESPN
Kimbrel wouldn’t be today’s leading Cy Young candidate, but he’d be one of the names worth discussing.
richbrave
June 27th, 2012
9:53 pm
…
JNick
June 27th, 2012
9:53 pm
@The A Bomb – Moronic? Sounds right up Fredi’s alley.
Tomahawk Mafia
June 27th, 2012
9:54 pm
I wonder what we’ll see from Jurrjens on the mound tomorrow
The A Bomb
June 27th, 2012
9:55 pm
JNick — I said it would be MORONIC. Not IMPOSSIBLE.
JNick
June 27th, 2012
9:56 pm
lol
JNick
June 27th, 2012
9:57 pm
Well, like McCann playing dodgeball, I’m out….see y’all.
keylargo
June 27th, 2012
9:58 pm
It’s amazin’ how good UGGLA looks with SIMMONS to his right.
Nolie and I talked last year about how much better of a 2nd baseman AGon made Uggla. The difference between Simmons and Uggla vs Pastornicky and Uggla is far greater than the difference between Simmons and Pastornicky. SImmons just makes Uggla better like AGON did.
Dan Uggla
June 27th, 2012
9:58 pm
I hate it when that little white ball moves around on me. When the pitcher throws it I swing at it as hard as I can, but all I hit is air.
I have no idea what I’m doing at the plate. I need my mommy.
Brave New World
June 27th, 2012
10:00 pm
The J-Hey Kid, Simba, Freeman, and Kimbrel are quite a young nucleus to build a team around. GO BRAVES!
TheOnlyBravesFan
June 27th, 2012
10:00 pm
Buster Olney @Buster_ESPN
Kimbrel wouldn’t be today’s leading Cy Young candidate, but he’d be one of the names worth discussing. espn.go.com/mlb/player/gam
nolie
June 27th, 2012
10:01 pm
Uggla has been rated in the bottom 5 or 6 in baseball almost every year of his career. he is doing better this season for whatever reason (middle of the pack), but he will likely drift back to his usual position again either later this year or next..
defensive metrics are far from set in stone, but when they show a player at one end of the spectrum most every year, its pretty unlikely that he is actually at the other end
This is the majors though, even the worst are pretty good and capable of some great individual plays
Batter up
June 27th, 2012
10:02 pm
For maximum output this should be the order. McOut and Struggla should be at the bottom where
they belong.
Bourn – L
Prado – R
Heyward – L
Chipper – S
Freeman – L
Simmons – R
McCann – L
Uggla – R
Pitcher
Bobby's Cox
June 27th, 2012
10:02 pm
Man, Texas can hit.
Brava
June 27th, 2012
10:02 pm
Time to go vote for the ASG. I’m using the email addresses of the jerks in my spam folder. Figure they’re fair game.
TheOnlyBravesFan
June 27th, 2012
10:02 pm
sorry cab, didn’t see your post… danged ipad
TheOnlyBravesFan
June 27th, 2012
10:03 pm
NOOOO!!!
David O’Brien @ajcbraves
#Braves manager will consider resting struggling Dan Uggla for mental break. May not be tomorrow vs. Bauer.
cabravesfan
June 27th, 2012
10:03 pm
TheOnlyBravesFan-
And I was all set to yell at you for not reading my posts
nolie
June 27th, 2012
10:05 pm
yeah, Simmons does help him because one of his big problems is range and Simmons can help him with that.
Simmons is not only better than Pastor, but he improves Dan too
TheOnlyBravesFan
June 27th, 2012
10:05 pm
I wonder what we’ll see from Jurrjens on the mound tomorrow
Hopefully good stuff.
to Loosing Managar: Braves have won 5 straight Tommy Hanson starts…looks good to me
to all the JJ Fanatics: I am currently retracing the routes of everywhere I walked in the stadium tonight, picking up any karma I may have left (hey, as a baseball player myself, i can be superstitious). So if/when JJ crumbles tomorrow, it’s not my fault, k?
ncbravesfan90
June 27th, 2012
10:05 pm
Nah, Uggla will talk his way into the lineup. He’s a grinder and wants to be in there everyday, even last year in that bad slump. Gotta love him for that.
MikeInFl
June 27th, 2012
10:06 pm
Have you guys looked at Simmons’ defensive stats? He’s already 5th among MLB shortstops in Defensive Runs Saved and his UZR/150 is off the charts, 54.1; almost half again higher than anyone in baseball.
I’m always a little suspect of defensive stats, but these numbers just back up what we see. Wow, this kid is impressive.
TheOnlyBravesFan
June 27th, 2012
10:07 pm
Well, like McCann playing dodgeball, I’m out….see y’all.
LOL…. you could even put playing baseball and it’d be true
Bobby's Cox
June 27th, 2012
10:07 pm
Who plays 2nd if Uggla gets a rest? Prado?
nolie
June 27th, 2012
10:07 pm
amen. Simmons is very impressive
nolie
June 27th, 2012
10:08 pm
I’d guess Wilson would play it
Brava
June 27th, 2012
10:08 pm
Wilson would probably play 2b ig Uggla rests.
TheOnlyBravesFan
June 27th, 2012
10:08 pm
And I was all set to yell at you for not reading my posts
You’re a respected blogger and one of my favorites. I always read your posts!
Brava
June 27th, 2012
10:09 pm
If, not ig.
cabravesfan
June 27th, 2012
10:09 pm
TheOnlyBravesFan-
richbrave
June 27th, 2012
10:11 pm
DOWN ON THE FARM
PELICANS feast on HILLCATS 5-1.
CHRIS MASTERS hasn’t improved any in his three starts since being demoted by the BRAVES. But as a LH’er they’ll give him plenty of rope before cutting him loose.
LHSP CHRIS MASTERS [L 0-3, 5.73 ERA] 6.0 IP, 8 H, 1 HR, 4 R, 3 ER, 2 BB, 3 SO.
RHRP RYNE HARPER [0.96 ERA] 1.0 IP, 2 H, 1 R/ER, 0 BB, 1 SO. RYNE’s immaculate ERA gets dented in his fifth appearance for the ‘CATS.
RHRP JUAN JAIME [3.30 ERA] 2.0 IP, 1 H, zeros, 1 BB, 2 SO.
DH ED SALCEDO [.260 BA] 1-3, 1 RBI [31]
1B CHRIS GARCIA [.308 BA] 2-3.
Lead-off MYC JONES [.262 BA] 1-4, 2 SO.
SS NICK AHMED [.269 BA] 1-4, 1 SO.
McFann :Ô: :Ô: :ô:
June 27th, 2012
10:11 pm
Why does Fredi seem so aware of Uggla’s slump which has “only” lasted roughly 3 weeks or so, but he doesn’t seem as aware of…other…people’s…
I don’t know what difference it would make, but just…wondering…
MikeInFl
June 27th, 2012
10:12 pm
Giants have shut out the Dodgers 3 games in a row, 8-0, 3-0, 3-0. Dodgers hurtin’ without Kemp…
nolie
June 27th, 2012
10:12 pm
John Wayne said “never apologize…and never correct your blog typos, it makes you look weak”
TheOnlyBravesFan
June 27th, 2012
10:13 pm
Look at this catcher score from 1st on a double! Poor guy must be exhausted…
http://mlb.mlb.com/video/play.jsp?content_id=22647029
richbrave
June 27th, 2012
10:13 pm
keylargo
June 27th, 2012
9:58 pm
It’s amazin’ how good UGGLA looks with SIMMONS to his right.
“…….Nolie and I talked last year about how much better of a 2nd baseman AGon made Uggla. The difference between Simmons and Uggla vs Pastornicky and Uggla is far greater than the difference between Simmons and Pastornicky. SImmons just makes Uggla better like AGON did……”
Absolutely!!!!
MikeInFl
June 27th, 2012
10:14 pm
I mis-typed the score of one of those dodger games, but on John Wayne’s advice, delivered via his manservent nolie, I am not going to correct it.
richbrave
June 27th, 2012
10:14 pm
richbrave
June 27th, 2012
10:15 pm
TheOnlyBravesFan
June 27th, 2012
10:15 pm
Why does Fredi seem so aware of Uggla’s slump which has “only” lasted roughly 3 weeks or so, but he doesn’t seem as aware of…other…people’s…
Uggla’s his “godson”. Spent the most time with him of any other player on the roster. He knows him best.
richbrave
June 27th, 2012
10:16 pm
Those are the only two smilies i know how to make. What site teaches that blushing etc.
TheOnlyBravesFan
June 27th, 2012
10:17 pm
Salcedo and Ahmed not tearing it up. Wouldn’t cry if one of them was included in a trade….
Sopheee
June 27th, 2012
10:17 pm
oops in the middle of two colons, rich. No spaces in between.
The A Bomb
June 27th, 2012
10:17 pm
Actually tomorrow would be the PERFECT day to give Uggla the day off. Bauer may throw hard, but he throws a bunch of different pitches with movement and that would tie Uggla up in knots.
cabravesfan
June 27th, 2012
10:17 pm
richbrave-
to make the blush, use the colon, the word oops, and another colon…
nolie
June 27th, 2012
10:18 pm
http://codex.wordpress.org/Using_Smilies rich
The A Bomb
June 27th, 2012
10:18 pm
Actually Bauer and Strasburg within a 3-day period. Wow.
nolie
June 27th, 2012
10:19 pm
again today, nice to see Chipper coming around
ChattTownBrian
June 27th, 2012
10:19 pm
McCann is there reading the blog in the background. Wonder if he read my nicknames for him?
DZ
June 27th, 2012
10:20 pm
FYI, Derek Lowe has managed just one win over his last seven starts with a 7.41 ERA over that stretch.
McFann :Ô: :Ô: :ô:
June 27th, 2012
10:20 pm
CTB—
You’ve GOTTA be kidding…you better be kidding…
MikeInFl
June 27th, 2012
10:22 pm
Talk about “due for a regression.” Lowe was bound to crash. I don’t think I’ve ever seen such a disparity between a pitcher’s ERA and his peripheral stats than he had for about the first 6 weeks of the season.
McFann :Ô: :Ô: :ô:
June 27th, 2012
10:22 pm
TOBF—
I s’pose…I guess I was just using Uggla as an example, but it’s just int’resting or whatever how certain guys’ slumps get more attention…
Tomahawk Mafia
June 27th, 2012
10:22 pm
ChattTownBrian
Was McCann really shown reading the blog?
Sopheee
June 27th, 2012
10:23 pm
Hi Mac. Don’t worry, CTB and JNick really love you loads. They just have a hard time expressing their true feelings.
nolie
June 27th, 2012
10:25 pm
they need to get in touch with their feminine side…..
Bravefaninok
June 27th, 2012
10:28 pm
Brava
June 27th, 2012
10:02 pm
Time to go vote for the ASG. I’m using the email addresses of the jerks in my spam folder. Figure they’re fair game.
Awesome idea BRAVA!!!
TheOnlyBravesFan
June 27th, 2012
10:28 pm
nah, what they need to find is their adult side. I know I love to (sarcastically) dish on Mac, but not nearly to the levels these guys do….
nolie
June 27th, 2012
10:32 pm
that too, but every guy should be able to say I Love You Man
McFann :Ô: :Ô: :ô:
June 27th, 2012
10:36 pm
I still love ya, BMac…
cabravesfan
June 27th, 2012
10:38 pm
I still love ya, BMac…
Me too
Sopheee
June 27th, 2012
10:38 pm
Mac fo’ life.
‘teen ‘teen too, of course.
richbrave
June 27th, 2012
10:38 pm
DOWN ON THE FARM
ROME
GREENVILLE DRIVE make roadkill of the ROMANS tonight 6-1. Rookies [3] are a no-hit, a collective 0-9 with 2 BB and 3 SO.
Lead-off 3B KYLE KUBITZA [.254 BA] 2-3, 1 BB, 1 CS [8], 1 E [14, throwing].
DH BRANDON DRURY [.197 BA] 2-3, 1 RBI [24]. BRANDON is about the crack the mendoza-line at the plate batting .250 in June, and raising his average roughly 25 points this month. He’s had a rough spring before June.
1B ‘BillyBECK BECKWITH [.297 BA] 1-4, 2 SO.
CF WIL SKINNER [.262 BA] 1-4, 1 R, 1 2B [15], 1 SO.
C RYAN QUERY [.169 BA] 1-3, 1 Passed Ball [1].
RHSP JARRETT MILLER [L 4-2, 4.13 ERA] 4.0 IP, 9 H, 2 R/ER, 2 BB, 5 SO.
LHRP RONAN ‘Ferdie the fight doctor’ PACHECO [0.00 ERA] 2.0 IP, 1 H, zeros, 2 SO.
LHRP FABIAN WILLIAMSON [4.50 ERA] 2.0 IP, 1 H, 1 HR, 1 R/ER 0 BB, 3 SO. Former 2006 MARINERS pick. Most recently at MIDLAND – TEXAS League.
RHRP IAN MARSHALL [4.20 ERA} 1.0 IP, 2 H, 3 R, 2 ER, 2 BB, 1 SO. Former University of RICHMOND hurler struggling.
Atlrf44
June 27th, 2012
10:39 pm
At the current rate Uggla will have almost 300 at bats this year WITHOUT putting the ball in play!!!Sos and BBs…why is he hitting in the middle of the order???
TheOnlyBravesFan
June 27th, 2012
10:39 pm
I love you nolie!
And the FSU baseball team, and most of all, Dan Uggla and Pastornicky.
nolie
June 27th, 2012
10:40 pm
well at least Fabian can sing them to sleep after he loses the game for them
nolie
June 27th, 2012
10:40 pm
why in the world would you combine walks and Ks?????
richbrave
June 27th, 2012
10:41 pm
MUCH grass ya’ll. Here goes nothin’ :OOPS:
TheOnlyBravesFan
June 27th, 2012
10:41 pm
You know, I really like O’Flaherty… wonder if he’d take a 2/3 yr deal to stay that a bit cheaper than his arb rate
richbrave
June 27th, 2012
10:41 pm
Dang, noythin’
Sopheee
June 27th, 2012
10:41 pm
I think it has to be all lowercase.
richbrave
June 27th, 2012
10:42 pm
Heh! THANX
nolie
June 27th, 2012
10:44 pm
c’mon rich, the link i posted showed you exactly what to do…ya big dummy
TheOnlyBravesFan
June 27th, 2012
10:44 pm
common letters rich
nolie
June 27th, 2012
10:46 pm
TOBF, where you go to school?
Skeezix
June 27th, 2012
10:48 pm
Hanson pitched well, Jason’s still hot, the old man is still hitting ‘em out and the inning ending double play in the eight was spectacular.
Kimbrel—so much fun to watch. Totally dominant right now.
McFann :Ô: :Ô: :ô:
June 27th, 2012
10:48 pm
cabravesfan—
Yeah, you too…
I think CTB was lying—he hasn’t come back, anyway…
richbrave
June 27th, 2012
10:50 pm
/.,
richbrave
June 27th, 2012
10:50 pm
98
TheOnlyBravesFan
June 27th, 2012
10:51 pm
went to Shiloh Hills this past year, but will either homeschool or do “early college” this fall
richbrave
June 27th, 2012
10:51 pm
nolie:
It wasn’t ECPI that’s for sure.
CaptainMudd
June 27th, 2012
10:51 pm
Uggla…..if you’re peering over Mac’s shoulder give him a hug for me–I know it’s tough, thank you in advance Dan.
TheOnlyBravesFan
June 27th, 2012
10:52 pm
think he was lying? Dude, I know he was lying
nolie
June 27th, 2012
10:53 pm
ECPI ???
McFann :Ô: :Ô: :ô:
June 27th, 2012
10:53 pm
Anyway, was aiming to go up a half an hour ago—time gets away so quickly at this time of night or something…
Night, all!
Stat Bully
June 27th, 2012
10:54 pm
Has anybody noticed that Dan Uggla’s numbers in the past 19 games (7 hits in 59 ABs) are almost identically atrocious as the numbers all batters have against Kimbrel in his past 16 games (3 hits in 54 ABs)? Kimbrel is so dominant that he’s making every batter look like Dan Uggla out there–sickening stuff.
nolie
June 27th, 2012
10:55 pm
that’s in Kennesaw, right? Just had not seen them called common letters instead of lower case in a long while
TheOnlyBravesFan
June 27th, 2012
10:55 pm
facepalm: you probably don’t know where that is, but it’s a “christian” private school here in cobb county
TheOnlyBravesFan
June 27th, 2012
10:56 pm
Yh, that’s Kennesaw…. I’ve always called them common letters, guess it’s just stuck with me since my elementart school years
Frankie Wren
June 27th, 2012
10:57 pm
nothing better in a course of a baseball schedule when…………
the Braves win
the Phillies lose
Yunel Escobar fails
Life is good
Couch Tater
June 27th, 2012
10:59 pm
“Suh, Honey. I got this gaareat idea. You’ll jus’ love it. Are you ready? Tell me, you’re ready.
Okay. Remember when I played in Peoria? Well, they were always lookin’ for sum’n to get fans to come out…”
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qY_5HiTklrk&feature=related
“..and, your ol’ man said, I wadn’t front office material.”
Frankie Wren
June 27th, 2012
11:01 pm
Phillies still wish they had the REAL Chad these days in Durbin as opposed to Qualls?
Jerry
June 27th, 2012
11:02 pm
I wonder if there’s any correlation between Simmons receiving Mac’s throws down at second on steal attempts, and those thrown to Pastornicky. When Pastornicky was here, Mac was atrocious throwing the ball, but he looks so much smoother now and Simmons is applying quick tags also.
TheOnlyBravesFan
June 27th, 2012
11:03 pm
LOL Escobar with A-Gon-like batting average.
.248/.299/.324/.624
Frankie Wren
June 27th, 2012
11:04 pm
well…….. Gonzo was pretty smooth, what about the throws tailing towards right field from B Mac?
Mechanics better me thinks.
Carroll Rogers
June 27th, 2012
11:04 pm
postgame quotes are up:
http://blogs.ajc.com/atlanta-braves-blog/2012/06/27/braves-postgame-quotes-after-wednesdays-win-over-arizona/
nolie
June 27th, 2012
11:05 pm
don’t know. Mac has spells when he throws ok, and others when his mechanics go a little awry. not sure what it would matter who the receiver is, unless perhaps it gives him more confidence that it get handled even if not perfect
nolie
June 27th, 2012
11:06 pm
thank you Carroll
TheOnlyBravesFan
June 27th, 2012
11:06 pm
Ouchies…
http://mlb.mlb.com/video/play.jsp?content_id=22637257
CaptainMudd
June 27th, 2012
11:07 pm
@Jerry…..Simmons positions his body like he owns the bag……Pastornicky’s body language appeared as though he was ‘visiting’ the bag.
richbrave
June 27th, 2012
11:08 pm
DOWN ON THE FARM
GWINNETT
YANKEES best G-Men 3-2. Bummer man. Dang, it’s im-bare-rea-sing to loose to STANKIES on ANY level. With nine hits and three doubles, and only three runs allowed………rats!
LHSP YOHAN FLANDE [3.84 ERA] 5.1 IP, 7 H, 1 HR, 2 R/ER, 2 BB, 6 SO.
Pin-the-tail on RHRP BUDDY CARLYLE [L 3-2, 2.36 ERA] 1.2 IP, 3 H, 1 R/ER, 1 BB, 3 SO.
RHRP CORY GEARRIN [1.31 ERA] 1.0 IP, no-hits, 1 BB, 3 SO.
Lead-off LF JOSE CONSTANZA [.286 BA] 1-5, 1 R.
CF LUIS DURANGO [.284 BA] 2-5, 1 RBI [28], 1 Outfield Assist [3B].
2B TYLER PASTORNICKY [.248 BA] 1-4, 1 BB, 1 SO.
RF FELIX PIE [.291 BA] 1-4.
3B RUBEN GOTAY [.203 BA] 2-3, 1 2B [1], 1 RBI [3], 1 BB. RUBEN smashes through the mendoza-line tonight.
1B CHRIS MARRERO [.242 BA] 1-1-4, 1 2B [11], 1 SO.
C JC BOSCAN [.192 BA] 1-4, 1 R, 1 2B [7]. JC’s threatening to break above the mendoza-line himself.
TheOnlyBravesFan
June 27th, 2012
11:08 pm
I think it’s all mechanics with those throws. I don’t think the SS out there makes a difference on where the throw goes. All they got to do is catch the ball and hold the tag right in front of the bag. If Mac throws one of those perfect beams to 2nd, even I could make the tag.
nolie
June 27th, 2012
11:08 pm
not sure what that would have to do with Mac’s throws though Capt??
Frankie Wren
June 27th, 2012
11:10 pm
Youk with 3 knocks tonight. Going to fit in perfectly with the Southside Chicago crowd
richbrave
June 27th, 2012
11:10 pm
CaptainMudd
June 27th, 2012
11:07 pm
“…..@Jerry…..Simmons positions his body like he owns the bag……Pastornicky’s body language appeared as though he was ‘visiting’ the bag……”
Chuckle. Sad but true.
richbrave
June 27th, 2012
11:11 pm
I’ll put up MISSISSIPPI and the rookies manana. NYTOL
nolie
June 27th, 2012
11:11 pm
nite rich, thanx
Frankie Wren
June 27th, 2012
11:12 pm
Ruben Gotay is like gum on the bottom of your tennis shoes. Can’t get rid of it.
nolie
June 27th, 2012
11:12 pm
if he hits, they got a steal
Carroll Rogers
June 27th, 2012
11:13 pm
final gamer is up
http://blogs.ajc.com/atlanta-braves-blog/2012/06/27/chippers-two-run-homer-lifts-braves-over-arizona/
Carroll Rogers
June 27th, 2012
11:14 pm
didn’t powder my nose as much tonight, nolie…..wink
Frankie Wren
June 27th, 2012
11:16 pm
hope they bring back Lugo for the double play combination down in Gwinnett
richbrave
June 27th, 2012
11:16 pm
Frankie Wren
June 27th, 2012
10:57 pm
“……nothing better in a course of a baseball schedule when…………
the Braves win
the Phillies lose
Yunel Escobar fails
Life is good……”
Fall down funny.Yucks aplenty!
Yeah, every BRAVES fan wishes YUNEL all the breaks…..
TheOnlyBravesFan
June 27th, 2012
11:16 pm
lol
richbrave
June 27th, 2012
11:16 pm
Arms, legs, fingers, toes, whatever.
ChattTownBrian
June 27th, 2012
11:18 pm
McFann, they were interviewing Uggla and McCann was in the background at his locker getting on his phone. He was scrolling something on it and so I thought it’d be funny if he was checking the blog. He was probably checking missed calls and looked like he was texting.
… or was he blogging here under secret identity?
Jerry
June 27th, 2012
11:18 pm
I can buy that Capt. When Mac throws it, Simmons seems to be all over the bag waiting for the throw. Pastornicky would arrive late to the bag and maybe that would cause Mac to be erratic. At least, that is the way it seems to me.
richbrave
June 27th, 2012
11:19 pm
FW on a roll to-night! GOTAY…..hilarious! Now really i gotta’ turn into a pumpkin even though….aw, hell. Good-night. Oh, my eldest grandson made first team AA district, region and state.
Atlrf44
June 27th, 2012
11:20 pm
walks and Ks don’t drive in a lot of runs…isn’t that what you are supposed to do in the middle of the ordert????the point being Uggla doesn’t make enough contact to bat 3-6..Freddi G can read stats,,,Uggla is 3 for last 29 with RISP with 18 Ks…pretty crappy
Frankie Wren
June 27th, 2012
11:21 pm
Kimbrel pitches in 28th game tonight compared to his 40th last season YTD. Very important. If he stays on a schedule similar to how he’s pitched so far, he could be a difference maker in September. Hopefully the games will matter in the fall. A fresh Kimbrel could make this club extremely dangerous in October as well as a healthy Chipper.
ChattTownBrian
June 27th, 2012
11:22 pm
I again was annoyed with Hanson in the post game interview. Sorry, I just do not like that guy at all. He seems like a snob. Solid middle rotation guy and glad to have him pitch for us though.
Frankie Wren
June 27th, 2012
11:22 pm
Be good Rich brave.
monty
June 27th, 2012
11:23 pm
Nolie-”This is the majors though, even the worst are pretty good and capable of some great individual plays”
Consistency is the hobgoblin of simple minds.
monty
June 27th, 2012
11:24 pm
Uggla is approaching his futility of last year(first half).
Jerry
June 27th, 2012
11:25 pm
I still say that for what Chicago gave up to get Youkilis and cash, I would have taken a chance on him here. And if he didn’t pan out, no big deal.
ChattTownBrian
June 27th, 2012
11:25 pm
Hanson is better than solid, I know. Can’t complain too much when you look at his numbers he’s piled up since being a big leaguer. I guess I just expected a true ace type out of the gate.
Frankie Wren
June 27th, 2012
11:26 pm
CTB, really what is your MO here? Annoyed at Hanson? Please Who gives a rats azz how he comes across on TV as long as delivers throwing the rock? The guy has been as consistent as anyone outside of Bourn and Prado.
You kill me dude. At times I think would enjoy pounding a beer with you and other times like to feed your teeth in. Quit being so judgemental on personalities that you know nothing about.
TheOnlyBravesFan
June 27th, 2012
11:31 pm
Atlrf44: Ever heard of a slump? Well, all hitters go through them. Uggla was pretty darn good for the first 2 months or so. From April 19 to June 5, he hit .299/.409/.545/.954/.378 (avg/obpslg/ops/babip) Since June 5, he’s hitting .119/.316/.186/.502/.176
ChattTownBrian
June 27th, 2012
11:32 pm
“You kill me dude”
Nah Frankie, I’d just give you a hug and a smack.
Frankie Wren
June 27th, 2012
11:35 pm
I have to admit who cares about what the Nats do right now. I like being playing Alydar right now to Afffirmed(yeah I know he came in second all 3 times). Still I like being in 2nd. Who wants to be in 1st in June? Tired of this team going through the motions in September. Best case scenario would be being 3 games out the last 2 weeks in the season(okay maybe 2). Finish on a serious roll and build on it. I scoreboard watch the Cardinals, Giants, Dback, Marlins and now Dodgers b4 the Nats.
TheOnlyBravesFan
June 27th, 2012
11:35 pm
CTB: Hanson was on his way to being an ace before the torn labrum. He’s still a good #2-3. Don’t get why you’re so pizzed at him
Frankie Wren
June 27th, 2012
11:36 pm
CTB, well played Sir
usnavyvolfaninva
June 27th, 2012
11:38 pm
usnavyvolfaninva
June 27th, 2012
11:38 pm
usnavyvolfaninva
June 27th, 2012
11:39 pm
tiger297
June 27th, 2012
11:41 pm
nolie – well you got your kinda game for the first 7 innings and I got mine for the last 2 but at the end of it we were both smiling
usnavyvolfaninva
June 27th, 2012
11:41 pm
Dude, catching up with the 21st Century is so much fun!
The A Bomb
June 27th, 2012
11:46 pm
WASHINGTON 11 COLORADO 5 FINAL
ChattTownBrian
June 27th, 2012
11:47 pm
Guys, I like Hanson as a pitcher. Just get a snotty vibe from him in interviews or something.
Venice Jim
June 27th, 2012
11:47 pm
Very depressing to see that Utley’s return home run propelled the Phillies to a huge win…
Venice Jim
June 27th, 2012
11:48 pm
Oh, wait, I just figured…
tiger297
June 27th, 2012
11:52 pm
holy crap was ease pitching for the cubs tonight?
cabravesfan
June 27th, 2012
11:52 pm
tiger-
no, a guy that played football at Notre Dame was…that should explain a lot
tiger297
June 27th, 2012
11:53 pm
thats even better…
cabravesfan
June 28th, 2012
12:07 am
calling it a night…bye blog!
tiger297
June 28th, 2012
12:08 am
when its sleepy time down south…
Venice Jim
June 28th, 2012
12:15 am
I would say good night, but there’s no way I hit the Top 25, so no point in it…
CaptainMudd
June 28th, 2012
12:17 am
How about a discussion on that rare coin find overseas?
CaptainMudd
June 28th, 2012
12:25 am
Brandon Beachy….in a way [outside of MLB] has it made; he’s in an arm sling and this bodes well when you’re out trying to meet chicks….of course overall looks still count—but, hey they find that kind of thing non-threatening. You just kind of stand out in the crowd in a nice way. She finds you sexy cause she know there will be no ‘rough’ intimacy and, for the most part she’ll set the tempo–the correct tempo and, justifiably the delightful coda.
Trey
June 28th, 2012
1:06 am
Damn college kids can’t be quiet. Ya ask ‘em to quiet down and those folks still know how to keep ya up. Anyway, wonderful Braves win today.
looky here freddy
June 28th, 2012
1:18 am
cf Michael Bourn .309 .353 .445
lf Martin Prado .317 .378 .459
rf Jason Heyward .282 .354 .520
3b Chipper Jones .290 .366 .455
1b Freddie Freeman .258 .304 .438
2b Dan Uggla .238 .366 .418
c Brian McCann .234 .305 .396
SS Andrelton Simmons .325 .361 .494
Ward
June 28th, 2012
1:43 am
Hello everyone ! Good, good win…….Marlins are going to shop Hanely…….. Should the Braves look into it? Hanely can play 3rd.
DS1
June 28th, 2012
1:46 am
So we got Jack Bauer going tomorrow night, eh? Rookies suck. So we should be able to put a serious hurtin on this kid. He walks a lot of batters, so our guys should be real patient with him.
No worries, since we have our “ace” Jurrjens going.
At least he isn’t a snob in interviews. Is he?
(CTB, who really gives a ratz azz if he doesn’t say what you want him to in an interview, so long as he wins baby!)
DS1
June 28th, 2012
1:47 am
Hanley is a frickin pre-madonna Ward. Steer clear of that guy, he’ll never be worth the $$ or prospects.
DS1
June 28th, 2012
1:49 am
Plus he probably wants to play SS, and we have the best young one in the business.
Ward
June 28th, 2012
1:52 am
Hanley does have speed, and can hit the long ball, and I bet he would stay at 3rd.
DS1
June 28th, 2012
1:55 am
Hanley is a cancer to a clubhouse Ward. Hell no on Hanley. Plus he has a very negative history with Fredi.
No way, no how.
Ward
June 28th, 2012
2:09 am
Call me crazy, but I would take a chance. Hanely can hit, and that’s what the Braves need.
nolie
June 28th, 2012
2:10 am
ok, you’re crazy….
nolie
June 28th, 2012
2:15 am
we need pitching, but they are unlikely to bring in a sure thing, more likely a retread like Liriano or some such
DS1
June 28th, 2012
2:15 am
Hanley’s been on a steady decline for 2-3 years now. And he doesn’t really steal many bases (though I am not big on SB’s). And he is average at best at SS.
And I’ll guarantee he’ll want to move back to SS for his fragile ego.
Dream up another third baseman Ward, like maybe Marteen Prado?
Ward
June 28th, 2012
2:17 am
I’ll make a case for Hanley why? Batting average .260 11 HR, 41RBI 10 SB
OBP. .335, SLG .443, OPS .778. He would be in the Braves budget. I think he would fit in well. Good solid player.
Ward
June 28th, 2012
2:18 am
Then Braves could keep Prado at LF. Don’t care about past issues, as long as he can play, and Hanley can play.
Ward
June 28th, 2012
2:22 am
I think Braves should give Hanley a look. He’s a ball player, and that’s what I like ball players that can play.
nolie
June 28th, 2012
2:28 am
pass on hanley, numbers are down since last season and he’s a real pita
nolie
June 28th, 2012
2:29 am
most ballplayers can play, or they wouldn’t be ballplayers…they’d be garbage men or some such….
DS1
June 28th, 2012
2:31 am
Hanley has a 6 year, 70 million contract that goes through 2014. that’s about 11-12 million per year to hit what? 260/335/443. OPS’ing less than .800 for over 10 million per year?
Now he might get his head straight and become a hitter again, but he is a shadow of his former self right now. And has been for the past few years.
Affordable? Hell, I’d rather have Willingham any day of the week and twice on Sundays!
Hanley is a damned cancer. He is not a gamer. Uggla had serious issues with him when they played together, due to his being such a pre madonna.
Move along to another player Ward. Hanley is NOT a very good baseball player. And certainly not worth the money or the prospects it would take to get him. Let his sorry ass rot in Miami with Ozzie.
Ward
June 28th, 2012
2:31 am
I would take a chance, and leave it at that. Depends on how you see it nolie. Hanleys a gamer, and I would take a chance.
Ward
June 28th, 2012
2:32 am
DS1 – Don’t be an ass……. I’m titled to metion who I think is good too.
Ward
June 28th, 2012
2:33 am
I mentioned him, because I think Hanley is good.
Ward
June 28th, 2012
2:38 am
Another player that’s on my list. Will be interesting to see what Wren does?
nolie
June 28th, 2012
2:41 am
he is not a gamer, he has gotten in trouble several times for not hustling. and his salary is 15m,15m,16m. pizz on him
Ward
June 28th, 2012
2:42 am
nolie – Not here to argue. I’m thinking he still wouldn’t be a bad idea….
nolie
June 28th, 2012
2:44 am
I can guarantee you that they are not gonna pay Hanley 36mil for someone that loafs regularly and has an attitude. that ain’t the Braves way
DS1
June 28th, 2012
2:46 am
I am damned good at being an ass Ward. But maybe you shouldn’t be so damned gullable.
You have your opinion. I give you that. If you don’t want to take my word for it, listen to nolie. He’s forgotten more about baseball than most of the rest of us have ever known put together.
nolie
June 28th, 2012
2:49 am
I gotta stop arguing with ward, BAS will ream me a new one for that……
nolie
June 28th, 2012
2:50 am
night ward, night DS1. y’all have a goodun
Ward
June 28th, 2012
2:50 am
Not gullable, and no one should be called gullable just by not agreeing with you. I have my views, and will stand by them. I give players chances, and he wouldn’t be a bad idea. So I’ll leave it at that.
DS1
June 28th, 2012
2:50 am
If the team keeps hitting for the next month or so, I wouldn’t expect us to go out and get another big bat.
I think they are in evaluate mode for the next few weeks. But then again, who knows? Only Frank Wren knows. And he is tied to the team budget.
Gonna head off to bed guys. Later.
Bo Graves!
Ward
June 28th, 2012
2:50 am
nolie – Be cool……
Ward
June 28th, 2012
2:51 am
DS1 – Have a good one! Peace……
DS1
June 28th, 2012
2:56 am
Not meaning to give you a hard time Ward, but you need to understand the way Frank Wren thinks. If you understood FW, you’d know that Hanley Ramirez is not the type of player the Braves generally go after. High salary. Attitude. Decreasing skill set.
It just doesn’t add up. That doesn’t mean Hanley is not a decent talent. But look at the players the Braves have and the ones they have gotten rid of. No more Escobar. Head case. Uggla is our type of guy. Hustles all the time. Team player. Bourn is a hard nosed player too.
Hanley is not their type.
So if you want to come up with trade scenarios, maybe you should think like the Braves do, and not go off on tangents on players that we know are NOT the Braves type of player.
And just because you or I want a particular type of player, doesn’t mean the Braves will go after that player.
I’m done………
Later Ward.
Ward
June 28th, 2012
3:00 am
Here are my top to do list to trade for -
1. Garza
2. Greinke
3. Dempster
Hitters
1. Josh Willingham
2. Carlos Quentin
3. Hanley Rameriz
Another idea would be to try out Brad Lidge. He wouldn’t be a bad idea for bull – pen.
Just some ideas that I would like Wren to try. Also like to see him make two trades. All, have a good one! Your all cool, and Peace my friends…..”Go!!!!!Braves!!!!!”
nolie
June 28th, 2012
3:05 am
Liriano Trade Value ESPN Insider
Francisco Liriano has thrown a no-hitter, been an All-Star and during the 2006 season had one of the most dominant three months of starts in the past decade. He’s pitched in two postseasons and averaged a strikeout per inning in his career.
But Liriano scares a lot of evaluators — probably even some with the Minnesota Twins, the team that has benefited from his peaks after making him part of their trade of A.J. Pierzynski years ago. Liriano struggled so badly earlier this year that he was sent to the Minnesota bullpen.
In his past six starts, however, the left-hander again has demonstrated how good he can be, striking out 40 in 37.1 innings with an ERA in the Justin Verlander range.
All of this makes him an intriguing figure in the last weeks before the trade deadline. He is eligible for free agency in the fall, the Twins are not going to the playoffs and are in a position to be sellers, and they presumably will market Liriano.
But for potential buyers: How attractive is Liriano?
At his best, he can shut down a lineup, and at his worst, he can be a complete enigma. It’s possible that another team could trade a prospect for Liriano and he could be a difference-maker — and it’s also possible, based on his history, that Liriano could really struggle with a new team.
So how do some evaluators view his value? How would he compare to someone like, say, Matt Garza? I posed that question to three evaluators, and here are their responses:
Evaluator No. 1, from an NL team: “He is very risky to me as a starting pitcher. I wouldn’t have interest — if you are going to trade prospects, you need certainty that the player you are getting is an upgrade, and Liriano’s inconsistency creates uncertainty. Simply put, there will be better alternatives on the market.
“However, I think he has excellent value — if he were up for it — as a shutdown situational left-handed reliever. This year, left-handed hitters are 9-for-58 (.155 AVG/.436 OPS) with six walks versus 22 strikeouts He’s somebody who could go multiple innings if needed, too, since he has history as a starter.
“Regardless of the team control situation for me, Garza is in a different stratosphere. He’s a middle-top rotation starter who has been consistent and performed, whereas Liriano is a major risk on so many levels and really hasn’t had any success as a starting pitcher for any extended period of time (more than 15 starts) except for 2010.”
Evaluator No. 2, from an AL team (who likes Garza more as a target): “I’d say that even though Garza is the more expensive option in terms of salary — to an extent he’s more reliable, and specifically since he’s shown what he can do in the past in the AL East. Plus, you have 2013 with Garza, and Liriano is a free agent after this season. So if you’re going to give up more value for either pitcher, it will likely be Garza, especially considering what [the Cubs] gave to Tampa.
“However, despite Garza being the more reliable option in theory, the risk seems really limited with Liriano considering your committment is less than a year. Because of the inconsistent performance, you’d have to think he’d bring significantly less than Garza in a trade, unless he can pitch this way straight through the deadline and continue to build value.
“So, the upside for the rest of 2012 seems to be comparable, but considering the potential acquisition cost, it seems like Liriano is the lower-risk guy to go with, particularly if he can keep this up. I still think [Theo] Epstein asks for more for that extra year of control for Garza than Liriano would bring in return for the next three months. But again, if Liriano keeps this up, he’d seem to have as many suitors as Garza, considering financial commitment and potential reward.”
Evaluator No. 3, from AL team: “Liriano is a risk, with some reward. He was someone the Twins would have let go for sure a couple of weeks ago. Garza has much less risk and much more value. I think the Twins really don’t want Liriano back unless he really goes off the rest of the year. Garza has many more suitors, and the Cubs are happy to have him back.”
Ease
June 28th, 2012
6:39 am
Just livin’ the dream.
jeffrey d
June 28th, 2012
7:19 am
I need to quit starting Arizona pitchers against the Braves on my fantasy team…2 nights in a row!
I’ll take it though
jeffrey d
June 28th, 2012
7:20 am
Because you know if I’d benched them that the Braves would be coming off back-to-back no hitters.
So you’re welcome.
Ease
June 28th, 2012
7:22 am
Ha! I sat Hudson the other night, glad I did…
jeffrey d
June 28th, 2012
7:23 am
But I have both Hudsons.
Unless you’re cheating on us with another league??
Ease
June 28th, 2012
7:25 am
Of course I sat Chipper last night…
Ease
June 28th, 2012
7:26 am
I play in the other blog league.
Ease
June 28th, 2012
7:30 am
Tonight there’s going to be a jailbreak.
jeffrey d
June 28th, 2012
7:36 am
Literal?
Ease
June 28th, 2012
7:37 am
However, I think he has excellent value — if he were up for it — as a shutdown situational left-handed reliever.
I find this to be really intriguing, considering Venter’s troubles this year…
Ease
June 28th, 2012
7:38 am
Thin Lizzy.
Ease
June 28th, 2012
7:40 am
But on the literal, our big boned catcher had some nice swings last night. Maybe it’s time.
You know, to break out of the jail created in his own mind.
Ease
June 28th, 2012
7:43 am
Its refreshing to see so much positivity on the blog this morning. About time.
Ease
June 28th, 2012
7:46 am
On the downside, the blog spell-check doesn’t like my spelling of positivity, whereas Outlook likes it just fine. So I will just remain positive and leave it at that.
jeffrey d
June 28th, 2012
7:46 am
You know, to break out of the jail created in his own mind.
That’s still not literal…
Ease
June 28th, 2012
7:49 am
Go Braves!
Ease
June 28th, 2012
7:51 am
Can be…A jail does not have to be a physical building of iron bars that holds law breakers.
jeffrey d
June 28th, 2012
7:54 am
The jail of the mind is metaphorical, not literal
Ease
June 28th, 2012
7:55 am
Ok, not literal, in the exact literal sense.
jail – (1) – A place of the confinement…(and some other wording that disproves my point)
CB
June 28th, 2012
7:56 am
Wow, you guys with the philosophy this morning.
jeffrey d
June 28th, 2012
7:57 am
That’s right. I made an A in Psychology 1101.
Of course, this isn’t really what we talked about though.
Lew
June 28th, 2012
7:57 am
jeffrey d – I would imagine that the mind’s jail is quite literal to some.
Lew
June 28th, 2012
7:58 am
Psych 1101? Post, post, post, post Graduate?
Ease
June 28th, 2012
7:58 am
Metaphorical, yes I like that better. I was going with literary…
But truthfully, all it was was lyrics to a song…
CB
June 28th, 2012
7:58 am
2nd major was psychology,needed it to figure this place out.
Ease
June 28th, 2012
7:58 am
Literally lyrics to a song I was listening too.
Ha! I win.
jeffrey d
June 28th, 2012
7:59 am
The intro classes at UGA were 1101. Upper level were 3000-4000. Grad school was 5000+
jeffrey d
June 28th, 2012
8:01 am
Post, post, post, post Graduate?
haha, just bachelor’s for me. Although I wish I would’ve sucked it up and stayed 2 more years for a Master’s….holy cow that pay gap is huge.
Ease
June 28th, 2012
8:02 am
A blind psychologist…I can see that.
jeffrey d
June 28th, 2012
8:03 am
2 A’s in Psych 1101 and 2000 something. I think I know a little bit about psychology, Mr. Squirrel
Ease
June 28th, 2012
8:04 am
No joke…If I hadn’t played baseball my first four years, then went to school for my degree, I probably could have bought Petrino’s house by now.
Lew
June 28th, 2012
8:05 am
If that’s how they numbered courses at UGA, it sure changed from when I was there – 500 level courses were Graduate courses.
CB
June 28th, 2012
8:05 am
There is not enough psych courses in the world to figure you two out. Ha!
Braves Fan in Maine
June 28th, 2012
8:06 am
any young pitchers that I would be willing to see go is minor and tehren? Keep the rest delgado has a bright future but minor I am ready to say bye bye
Ease
June 28th, 2012
8:07 am
I got an A in Psych 101.
But largely in part because the class was 90% baseball players and we would bring the professor some pretty nice cigars for letting us out of class early to actual attend practices and games.
Ease
June 28th, 2012
8:08 am
It looks like someone did not do so well in English 101, though.
gwinnet fan
June 28th, 2012
8:13 am
lol Ease…. Good morning all
Lew
June 28th, 2012
8:14 am
Teheran is not going to be traded.
TheOnlyBravesFan
June 28th, 2012
8:15 am
He didn’t go to FSU that’s for sure
Ease
June 28th, 2012
8:18 am
No, he is going to be bartered.
Ease
June 28th, 2012
8:25 am
I didn’t think Teheran went to FSU either.
TheOnlyBravesFan
June 28th, 2012
8:27 am
Ease: I was responding to your 8:08
jeffrey d
June 28th, 2012
8:28 am
And if I hadn’t been busy being a fighter pilot ace and winning a Nobel prize in Asian Litiriture, I could’ve bought Queen Elizabeth’s castle by now.
Ease
June 28th, 2012
8:31 am
Didn’t know it was for sale.
jeffrey d
June 28th, 2012
8:31 am
I also played football under the pseudonym David Pollack.
TheOnlyBravesFan
June 28th, 2012
8:36 am
ESPN Stats & Info @ESPNStatsInfo
Elias Says Chipper Jones has 252 HR at home passing Lou Gehrig & tying Stan Musial for 12th in home-game HR for 1 team
phil
June 28th, 2012
8:36 am
Ease
June 28th, 2012
8:38 am
That couldn’t possibly be true. The real David Pollack wouldn’t never eat a ham sandwich.
jeffrey d
June 28th, 2012
8:39 am
I actually brought ham today…
Bat Masterson
June 28th, 2012
8:39 am
Gonna be an interesting morning
phil
June 28th, 2012
8:40 am
It is? Lol
tiger297
June 28th, 2012
8:41 am
man you guys make me feel so inadequate…
jeffrey d
June 28th, 2012
8:41 am
Yeah, it is? I thought for sure I’d have at least one complaint for talking about fantasy baseball, faux Nobel prizes, and ham sandwiches instead of baseball talk.
phil
June 28th, 2012
8:41 am
Chipper only needs 40 more dingers in 90 or so games for 500…
Should be easy enough.
tiger297
June 28th, 2012
8:42 am
yeah maybe not
tiger297
June 28th, 2012
8:42 am
bat what time is the announcement?
Jimmy
June 28th, 2012
8:42 am
Excellent game last night.
Man, is Heyward locked in or what?
Still need to get Uggla and McCann going.
Did McCann throw out a runner last night…with Hanson on the mound?
I saw we has one CS, but I didn’t see the whole game.
Jimmy
June 28th, 2012
8:43 am
has=had
Ease
June 28th, 2012
8:44 am
phil did roll his eyes.
Twice.
phil
June 28th, 2012
8:44 am
I think Mac did manage to gun one down….
Calls for a parade before the riots break out when health care is shot down shortly…
jeffrey d
June 28th, 2012
8:45 am
And it looks like the bottom one is unhappy with the top one
phil
June 28th, 2012
8:45 am
One eye roll was a duplicate comment so had to go with two….
TheOnlyBravesFan
June 28th, 2012
8:45 am
Chipper only needs 40 more dingers in 90 or so games for 500…
Should be easy enough.
Just sucks that he’s missed what, 2.5 years in his career. Probably would’ve made it.
Arkansas Transplant
June 28th, 2012
8:46 am
Uggla is a total waste of a spot in the lineup right now. He might want to take a page out of Biggio’s book and start leaning into pitches.
Bat Masterson
June 28th, 2012
8:46 am
9:00 eastern time
Should be hilarious…………..
Ease
June 28th, 2012
8:46 am
man you guys make me feel so inadequate
lil’ tiger, you have an airplane and go to more Braves games than Chipper. That makes you more than adequate.
Ease
June 28th, 2012
8:47 am
9:00 eastern time
Hell yeah! That is when the breakfast burrito’s are supposed to arrive!
richbrave
June 28th, 2012
8:48 am
DOWN ON THE FARM
MISSISSIPPI
CHATTANOOGA wins again 4-12 over the Bandits
Lead-off RF KEENAN WILEY [.284 BA] 1-2, 1 RBI [19], 3 BB.
WILEY continues to do whatever the BRAVES ask of him to the best of his ability. Lead-off seems to have been a tough assignment for him, but the independent league pick-up continues to hit singles, and get walks with a decent average. Nothing fancy just lunch-pail stuff, but it’s good to see one of my favs holding his own.
2B PHIL GOSSELIN [.257 BA] 1-4, 1 BB, 1 SO.
1B JOEY T [.347 BA] 1-4, 1 BB, 1 SO, 1 E [6, fielding].
CF TODD CUNNINGHAM [.324] 1-5, 1 CS [4].
C CHRISTIAN BETHANCOURT [.257 BA] 1-5, 1 SB [6].
LF ALDEN CARRITHERS [.239 BA] 1-4, 1 R, 1 BB, 1 SO, 1 CS [1].
PH IAN GAC [.249 BA] 1-1
LHSP GARY MORAN [2.94 ERA] 6.0 IP, 6 H, 1 R, 0 ER, 4 SO. Nice outing!
RHRP ‘AussieANDY’ RUSSELL [2.20 ERA] 1.0 IP, pristine, 2 SO.
ANDY keeps whittling away at that ERA one and two innings at a time. Looking good.
RHRP CORY RASMUS [3.16 ERA] 2.0 IP, 1 H, zeros, 2 SO.
LHRP BRENT LEACH [6.00 ERA] 1.0 IP, perfection, 2 SO.
RHRP BRETT CAMMONS [L 1-2, 12.41 ERA] 1.0 IP, 3 H, 1 HR, 3 R/ER, 2 BB, 1 SO.
Maybe BRETT needs to forget he’s married, and concentrate on his mechanics. He’s wrapping up his baseball career if something doesn’t change soon.
jeffrey d
June 28th, 2012
8:48 am
Oh…I just thought it really bothered you
richbrave
June 28th, 2012
8:49 am
4-1 CHATTANOOGA
Bat Masterson
June 28th, 2012
8:49 am
Calls for a parade before the riots break out when health care is shot down shortly…
Will it be?
Lose/lose…………. The Supremes should have stuck with singing, they suck at comedy
Jeff R
June 28th, 2012
8:50 am
Uggla’s a streak hitter. Not a good streak right now.
phil
June 28th, 2012
8:50 am
Nah, very little here bothers me….
Usually the bothered bother me by being bothered all the dang time by the botherers….
richbrave
June 28th, 2012
8:51 am
Jimmy
June 28th, 2012
8:51 am
I understand that Evan Gattis will make the announcement.
The whole country will know about him after this.
Our secret is exposed.
TheOnlyBravesFan
June 28th, 2012
8:51 am
another error for Joey T? Kid needs some work in the field….
phil
June 28th, 2012
8:52 am
Who knows, Bat, but i can’t imagine the Court will uphold it all…..just too much politics involved in it all.
Jeff R
June 28th, 2012
8:53 am
Just sucks that he’s [Chipper's] missed what, 2.5 years in his career. Probably would’ve made it.
I’m not sure Chipper’s missed that much time. I think it’s more like a season plus some of games. Nonetheless, Chipper probably would have made the 500 Club had he not missed so many games.
jeffrey d
June 28th, 2012
8:54 am
You have breakfast burritoes arrive?? I need to be in your position.
What happens at 9? (besides the burritoes?)
richbrave
June 28th, 2012
8:55 am
This court reminds of the one’s in the twenties and early thirties when FDR threatened to pack the court after funding referendums across America to add justices to the SUPREMES. Heh!
Today’s history leason.
jeffrey d
June 28th, 2012
8:55 am
Oh the health care thing
richbrave
June 28th, 2012
8:57 am
TheOnlyBravesFan
June 28th, 2012
8:51 am
“….another error for Joey T? Kid needs some work in the field….”
He’s gettin’ it, one error at a time. Heh!
McFann :Ô: :Ô: :ô:
June 28th, 2012
9:00 am
CTB they were interviewing Uggla and McCann was in the background at his locker getting on his phone. He was scrolling something on it and so I thought it’d be funny if he was checking the blog.
That would be awkward for all of us!…
… or was he blogging here under secret identity?
Yeah. He’s really Mixxo, just to through us off the track…
Bat Masterson
June 28th, 2012
9:00 am
Who knows, Bat, but i can’t imagine the Court will uphold it all…..just too much politics involved in it all.
Exactly………….. So today the court can uphold the conservative agenda or strike it down.
Too damn funny
Lew
June 28th, 2012
9:01 am
What happens at 9? The Supreme Court will legislate from the bench.
McFann :Ô: :Ô: :ô:
June 28th, 2012
9:01 am
Ick! We’re not gonna be political, are we? Gonna split if that breaks out…
CrαZy
June 28th, 2012
9:03 am
Maybe Matt Kemp will pick Uggla for the HR derby!!
I’m thinking instead of messing up his swing it might help him remember how to hit a HR!!
keylargo
June 28th, 2012
9:06 am
Chipper only needs 40 more dingers in 90 or so games for 500…
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I brought this up two days ago, that Chipper missed the entire 94 season with a knee injury in Spring Training. He’d be almost automatic for 500 HR if not for that and would be a very high % HOF member without a doubt.
Ease
June 28th, 2012
9:06 am
Quick, a McCann fat joke!
I will not partake, but I’m sure someone else can rise to the occasion.
jeffrey d
June 28th, 2012
9:06 am
The Supreme Court will legislate from the bench
So it’s Francisco Wilson and Hisnke?
CrαZy
June 28th, 2012
9:06 am
Conservatives…. Liberals…. F’em all!!
Lew
June 28th, 2012
9:07 am
I wonder how the Sabbathia and Petite injuries yesterday affect the market for pitcvhing at the deadline.
TheOnlyBravesFan
June 28th, 2012
9:09 am
We all know McCann wasn’t texting/reading the blog last night. He was ordering a shipment of Lil Debbies for himself.
CrαZy
June 28th, 2012
9:09 am
Lew… I thought about that, but how much do the Yankees have on the farm to give up??
CrαZy
June 28th, 2012
9:11 am
We all know McCann wasn’t texting/reading the blog last night. He was ordering a shipment of Lil Debbies for himself.
Maybe the most overused and lame ass topic on this blog!!
TheOnlyBravesFan
June 28th, 2012
9:11 am
but ‘94 did have the strike, was only a half season. He did miss most of ‘04 I think, then part of ‘10. Jeff R seems correct in saying a year and some.
TheOnlyBravesFan
June 28th, 2012
9:11 am
yh, it wasn’t a Statement McCann fat joke….
Lew
June 28th, 2012
9:12 am
Cheif Justice David Ross – might be better than what we have.
CrαZy
June 28th, 2012
9:12 am
Maybe the most overused and lame ass topic on this blog!!
Actually I shouldn’t say maybe…
CrαZy
June 28th, 2012
9:13 am
it wasn’t a Statement McCann fat joke….
That’s what makes it so dumb!!
Ease
June 28th, 2012
9:13 am
Lew, very interesting, especially since that fits the Yanks profile. CC will be back in a couple of weeks, but the loss of Pettite may force their hand. Heaven forbid they should give their stud prospect a chance…
Hillbilly
June 28th, 2012
9:14 am
Maybe the most overused and lame ass topic on this blog!!
Actually I shouldn’t say maybe…
Whatever it takes to get us off that road we were about to head down…
Ease
June 28th, 2012
9:15 am
CraZy, he admitted yesterday that he already has problems “rising” to the occasion. And at such a young age.
Lew
June 28th, 2012
9:16 am
Ease – Whoever they might have, aren’t they all always available?
flange1
June 28th, 2012
9:16 am
Ease,
Did you ever get your hippo?
Lee in S GA
June 28th, 2012
9:17 am
Whatever it takes to get us off that road we were about to head down…
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exactly – no good was going to come out of that – even makes the blog uncomfortable for lurkers like me
Efrim
June 28th, 2012
9:18 am
Last night sort of left me unsatisfied. Hanson was looking solid up until the 7th inning and gave up the 3-run homer.
Good to see Heyward continue to crush pitching.
Kimbrel has been out of this world the last six weeks.
Ease
June 28th, 2012
9:18 am
Jerry Crasnick @jcrasnick
Utley won’t play today vs. #pirates. He’ll go 2games on, 1 off until he’s ready for bigger workload.
Hey, we’ve got one of those too!
Hillbilly
June 28th, 2012
9:19 am
I wonder how the Sabbathia and Petite injuries yesterday affect the market for pitcvhing at the deadline.
Lew, Cashman said he would prefer NOT to go outside of the organization to solve the Yankees pitching problems.
He didn’t say WHICH organization and I’m pretty sure Major League Baseball as a whole is considered an “organization.” Game on, I’m betting.
Ease
June 28th, 2012
9:19 am
Lew, and for the Yanks, everyone is apparently available.
flange1
June 28th, 2012
9:19 am
Efrim,
What are your thoughts on Yasel Puig?
You think the Braves will be in?
I find it interesting that the Cubs are supposed to be in on him too after signing Soler
Ease
June 28th, 2012
9:20 am
flange, no, but it is not Christmas yet, so I am still holding my breath…
jeffrey d
June 28th, 2012
9:20 am
I don’t think the McCann jokes are going away.
Efrim
June 28th, 2012
9:21 am
flange1, haven’t heard good scouting reports on Puig. They may be in on him though, not sure.
flange1
June 28th, 2012
9:21 am
I am glad the Braves did not trade for Cahill.
The fat jokes with Cahill pitching to McCann would be way over the top.
Travis
June 28th, 2012
9:21 am
Yankees need rotation help but right now they are buyers not traders. Big difference unless Brewers would take a huge chunk of cash and no players. Free agency this winter could be interesting for guys like Greinke and Hamels. Even Texas doesn’t really have the young talent that the Brewers would want in exchange for Greinke. The Braves do, but a two month rental is tough to justify.
Ease
June 28th, 2012
9:21 am
Hanson was looking solid up until the 7th inning
Wish he could become more dominate and go later into games.
jeffrey d
June 28th, 2012
9:24 am
The fat jokes with Cahill pitching to McCann would be way over the top.
I dunno….we survived Livan pitching to McCann
Efrim
June 28th, 2012
9:25 am
Bizzarre June for Hanson:
Team was 5-0 in his starts, 31.2 IP, 27 hits, 11 ER, 8 HR’s allowed, 10/22 BB/K ratio, 3.13 ERA, opponents slash line of .231/.289/.496. All of those earned runs seemed to come off of the long ball. He’s on pace to give up 33 home runs this year and walk 79 batters.
Ease
June 28th, 2012
9:25 am
The fat jokes with Cahill pitching to McCann would be way over the top.
So there were none when Livan was pitching? Or was Fredi cognizant of that and would replace Mac with Ross?
jeffrey d
June 28th, 2012
9:26 am
Or was Fredi cognizant of that and would replace Mac with Ross?
ha!
Fredi: hmmm, don’t want the blog making over the top fat jokes. Better put in Ross.
Ease
June 28th, 2012
9:30 am
He Ain’t Heavy He’s My Brother.
CrαZy
June 28th, 2012
9:30 am
Wish he could become more dominate and go later into games.
I wanted to see Fred leave him in a little longer!!
Efrim
June 28th, 2012
9:30 am
Hanson was on his way to being an ace before the torn labrum. He’s still a good #2-3.
Sort of the way I feel. He looked like a flat out #1 starter from his debut in 2009 – June of 2011. Capped it off with that great start agaisnt the Astros – think he struck out 13 or 14. Then he hit the DL with the shoulder injury and hasn’t looked quite as good since. Still a solid #2 type even working in the high 80’s most of the time.
Ease
June 28th, 2012
9:31 am
And George says Fredi is not a good manger.
Hillbilly
June 28th, 2012
9:34 am
Kimbrel has been out of this world the last six weeks.
I’m still fairly young and still have a decent amount of athleticism left in my bones. I’m betting if you gave me a bat and put me in the batters box for 60 pitches against Craig Kimbrel, I would walk away with 20 strikeouts. He could tell me what’s coming before each pitch and I would never even muster a foul tip.
That dude is filthy…It’s like he’s shooting arrows from a compound bow, knee high and on the black.
Ease
June 28th, 2012
9:35 am
Still a solid #2 type even working in the high 80’s most of the time.
Efrim, I disagree, I believe his has been working in the 90-91 range, touching 92 on occasion.
Alan
June 28th, 2012
9:36 am
I think we need to move Medlen to starting lineup and trade Minor,Delgado and any other prospect to get Grienke. Can’t rely on JJ and Hudson is not 100%. We have to strengthen our starters.
TheOnlyBravesFan
June 28th, 2012
9:39 am
Don’t trade Delgado
Efrim
June 28th, 2012
9:40 am
I believe his has been working in the 90-91 range, touching 92 on occasion.
Fangraphs has the fastball average at 89.8mph, however it has seemed like it’s been more 90-91 range lately. I hope as the season continues the velocity gets better.
Ease
June 28th, 2012
9:40 am
I know his avg. velocity has dropped to 89.8 but I think that number is skewed from earlier in the season when he was in the upper 80’s.
Dealing with kinks in your motion will do that until it gets more comfortable and natural.
Efrim
June 28th, 2012
9:41 am
That dude is filthy…It’s like he’s shooting arrows from a compound bow, knee high and on the black.
Dominating everyone. Buster said he hasn’t walked anyone since like early-mid May and is on a 0/24 BB/K ratio streak. Insane.
Frankie Wren
June 28th, 2012
9:41 am
He’ s been filfthy because they are using him correctly(sometimes not by choice from outcome of games). 28 appearances compared to 40 this time last season, Kimbrel is not going to repeat his September of last season if this keeps up. Could be the difference maker of getting in the playoffs with a fresh Kimbrel down the stretch.
Efrim
June 28th, 2012
9:43 am
Ease, he could be gaining strength in that shoulder too. The home run rate is concerning for Tommy, however I can’t tell if it’s the slight reduction in velocity. Probably a little of that and location as it is with most pitchers. The breaking stuff still looks very good to me. He’s not throwing mearly as many changeups this year.
Lew
June 28th, 2012
9:44 am
Fredi cognizant? Not according to many here.
Ease
June 28th, 2012
9:44 am
Dominating everyone.
But he doesn’t go deep into games.
Efrim
June 28th, 2012
9:47 am
Edward Salcedo down to .260/.307/.404 this year. Exact same OPS that he carried in 2011 – .711. He’ll turn 21 in late July, so he’s still really young.
Bethancourt, Lipka and Salcedo are all really young, but some better offensive results would be nice at some point.
ncscoots
June 28th, 2012
9:47 am
and is on a 0/24 BB/K ratio streak. Insane.
Infinity, actually. But who’s counting?
Ease
June 28th, 2012
9:48 am
The breaking stuff still looks very good to me. He’s not throwing mearly as many changeups this year.
Both could be attributed to the decrease in velocity, but I agree, I see Hanson actually getting stronger as the season progresses…
Murph
June 28th, 2012
9:48 am
I’m going to go ahead and predict a JJ meltdown tonight, since that’s what I did the other night, and he pitched great.
3 IP, 7 ER, 5 BB, 1K
ncscoots
June 28th, 2012
9:49 am
Could be the difference maker of getting in the playoffs with a fresh Kimbrel down the stretch.
Yeah, but gotta get there first. I’ll feel some better about that little factoid when Venters cleans it up a little.
Lew
June 28th, 2012
9:49 am
Ease – Stronger or more comfortable with his mechanical changes?
Ease
June 28th, 2012
9:50 am
What do you think Efrim?
Talking Chop @gondeee
BA listed a Braves prospect I’d never heard of in their Prospect Report today: Juruengelo Tielman, a 3B out of Curacao playing in DSL.
Murph
June 28th, 2012
9:54 am
Juruengelo Tielman
Unknown Current Team
Bats: Unknown Throws: Unknown
Height: 0′0” Weight: 0 Born: Unknown
ncscoots
June 28th, 2012
9:54 am
I’m going to go ahead and predict a JJ meltdown tonight, since that’s what I did the other night, and he pitched great.
Murph, you just jinxed the reverse-jinx, man. You gotta do something else.
Ease
June 28th, 2012
9:54 am
Lew, actually both…each one takes time. The delivery is just muscle memory and learning to let it fly while maintaining good (new) form. I am sure if he ignored mechanics and just threw it up there he could touch 95-96.
ncscoots
June 28th, 2012
9:55 am
Juruengelo Tielman
I don’t think there’s much doubt that we gotta have a nickname for that guy.
Murph
June 28th, 2012
9:56 am
Murph, you just jinxed the reverse-jinx, man. You gotta do something else
Ah crap… what do I do? Sacrifice Ward or something?
Help me fix this!!
Efrim
June 28th, 2012
9:57 am
Don’t know too much about him, Ease. They have a few guys to watch down in the DSL, but I really don’t pay attention until they hit the states.
Off the top of my head, I know OF’s Iosif Bernal, Miguel Rivero and Victor Reyes. LHP Nelson Leon too. Only guys I’ve read up about.
TheOnlyBravesFan
June 28th, 2012
9:57 am
I’m going to go ahead and predict a JJ meltdown tonight, since that’s what I did the other night, and he pitched great
I’m doing the opposite so that I can say it’s not my fault. 6IP, 2 ER
Jimmy
June 28th, 2012
9:57 am
The Rangers young stud pitcher Perez got slapped around pretty bad by the Tigers last night. 4 Runs in 2/3 an inning.
Let’s do the same to Bauer tonight.
Ease
June 28th, 2012
9:57 am
Bat, this tweet is for you…
Someone in the pro-obamacare crowd blasting Bob Marley — One Love. Somehow I doubt everyone is here to get together and feel alright
Ease
June 28th, 2012
9:59 am
I don’t think there’s much doubt that we gotta have a nickname for that guy.
John
Lew
June 28th, 2012
9:59 am
Sacrifice Ward? He’d be deemed unworthy and thrown back like a visiting team’s HR ball at Wrigley Field.
ncscoots
June 28th, 2012
9:59 am
Murph, I think the only thing you can do now is just post what you actually think Jurrjens will do tonight. Good, bad, indifferent, doesn’t matter. You already nuked the mojo, so your actual thoughts can’t hurt.
Ease
June 28th, 2012
10:00 am
The Rangers young stud pitcher Perez got slapped around pretty bad
No, he got bull-rushed by Prince. Who made a fine tackle on the play and got the sack.
Efrim
June 28th, 2012
10:01 am
The Rangers young stud pitcher Perez got slapped around pretty bad by the Tigers last night. 4 Runs in 2/3 an inning.
He hasn’t been right this year. He was projected to be a good one. but as he came up through the system – performance just got worse and worse.
ncscoots
June 28th, 2012
10:01 am
Someone in the pro-obamacare crowd blasting Bob Marley — One Love.
And how does he know this is the “pro” crowd?
Because tea partiers would consider Bob Marley music “illegal immigration”.
Lew
June 28th, 2012
10:02 am
Ease – I’m still trying to figure out what the protestors are protesting. The decision has been made and printed for distribution and the Supremes never asked their opinions to begin with.
Jimmy
June 28th, 2012
10:02 am
The Saturday and Sunday afternnon games are going to be brutal.
Supposed to be touching 100 degrees in Atlanta this weekend.
Plus the humidity.
brian
June 28th, 2012
10:03 am
People just like to protest
Lew
June 28th, 2012
10:03 am
How does he know it’s the “pro crowd”? Probably becaus no one in that area are wearing 18th Century outfits and claiming knowledge of historical events about which they are clueless?
brian
June 28th, 2012
10:05 am
Efrim- control is perez’s biggest issue. Still can be a good one but has to work harder on his mechanics. Things came too easy for him at first and he is having difficulty making adjustments as he moves up the system
MikeInFl
June 28th, 2012
10:05 am
“We talk baseball, other sports, music, movies, vomit, BBQ and whatever (except politics or religion)”
Efrim
June 28th, 2012
10:06 am
SS Jose Peraza, C Carlos Sanchez and LHP Luis Merejo are the Latin players to keep an eye on for the GCL Braves. They were all signed during the summer of 2010, along with Danville RHP Mauricio Cabrera.
brian
June 28th, 2012
10:06 am
Way too much politics being discussed here
Lew
June 28th, 2012
10:07 am
It’s only a political discussion if you are proposing a particular point of view – otherwise it’s a discussion of current events. No one here has claimed a particular poitical point of view, but merely commented on what is happening.
ncscoots
June 28th, 2012
10:07 am
A Bob Marley joke is not political, Mike.
Sometimes a joke is just a joke, says Sigmund.
Hillbilly
June 28th, 2012
10:07 am
MikeInFl, We could sure use some good vomit-talk right about now.
Ease
June 28th, 2012
10:08 am
Lew, I honestly have no idea, I haven’t paid too much attention to Obamacare to have an opinion one way or another.
ncbravesfan90
June 28th, 2012
10:08 am
Individual manadate ruled unconstitutional
Jimmy
June 28th, 2012
10:08 am
Lew -”How does he know it’s the “pro crowd”?”
Could mean “pro” as in professional. Hired professional protesters.
Efrim
June 28th, 2012
10:09 am
Nice little Baseball America article on J.R. Graham’s transition to starting:
Starting Now Suits Braves J.R. Graham
Posted Jun. 27, 2012 10:09 am by Conor Glassey
Filed under: All-Star Games, Daily Dish
For Braves righthander J.R. Graham, 2012 has been a year of transition. Last year, when he was drafted in the fourth round out of Santa Clara, he pitched in 23 games for the Broncos, but only got five starts.
He got his feet wet in pro ball, ranking as the No. 8 prospect in the Appalachian League after he went 5-2, 1.72 with 52 strikeouts and 13 walks over 58 innings. He pitched in 13 games, starting eight of them.
This year, Graham was named to the Carolina League all-star team after going 8-1, 2.53 with 15 walks and 55 strikeouts over 82 innings in the first half of the year for Lynchburg.
Graham has been a starter the entire season.
“It’s been pretty easy for me,” Graham said of the transition. “At first, I remember going into college starting and I was like, ‘Okay, I’ve got to be a starter. I’ve got to reserve myself.’ And it didn’t really work out for me that well. But then my coach gave me some real good advice. He said to go out there with a closer mentality and pretend like it’s nine one-inning saves. I’ve done that ever since and I keep that closer mentality while I’m starting.”
In a one-inning stint in the California-Carolina League All-Star Game, Graham sat 93-96 mph with his fastball while mixing in an 84 mph slider. Graham knows his stuff—especially his secondary stuff—still needs work.
“I’m still working on everything,” Graham said. “Locating my fastball, throwing the two-seam, working on the slider and getting more consistent with that and working on the changeup. You never stop learning. It’s a game of constant adjustments. If somebody tells you they’ve got it figured out, they’re probably not going to be in the game very long.”
Getting that kind of velocity out of a 6-foot, 185-pound build requires a lot of hard work. While Graham has retained mostly the same workout routine he used in college, he’s also switched things up a little bit, especially after transitioning into a starter’s role full-time.
“I’m still doing the same stuff—the plyometrics and the medicine balls are a big part of my workout routine,” Graham said. “Those pretty much stayed the same, but I changed the leg workouts because you’ve got to keep the body guessing, like they say in ‘Dodgeball.’ ”
brian
June 28th, 2012
10:09 am
This start for Jurrjens is almost as big as the last start. Is he for real or was it a fluke in Boston?
MikeInFl
June 28th, 2012
10:09 am
…right… nothing political on this page.
Ease
June 28th, 2012
10:10 am
We could always go back to the Hanson vs Minor vs JJ convo from yesterday…
And Wayne isn’t here yet, so no-one is really “discussing” politics.
Lew
June 28th, 2012
10:10 am
Jimmy – Being an American automatically makes you a professional protestor. It’s in our genetic makeup. Hell, we even had a three day protest here on the blog when Yunel hit a bad pitch for a HR.
Jimmy
June 28th, 2012
10:11 am
I noticed that Simmons changed bats during the game last night. Went from a light color to a black bat in the fifth.
Just an observation that is useless.
ncscoots
June 28th, 2012
10:12 am
…right… nothing political on this page.
I could always make a joke involving Democrats, if that would even things out.
Lew
June 28th, 2012
10:13 am
Mike – Have you heard anyone state which side of the argument they’re on? NO. YOu;’ve heard anyone who’s commented telling what is happening in the crowd and basically making jokes at the expense of the entire process. It just ain’t political if you don’t discuss the politics of the situation.
CrαZy
June 28th, 2012
10:13 am
Anyone want to see what the unemployed do for fun…. here’s a link:
http://video.foxnews.com/video-live-streaming.html?video_id=1155606218001
Ease
June 28th, 2012
10:13 am
going 8-1, 2.53 with 15 walks and 55 strikeouts over 82 innings in the first half of the year for Lynchburg.
Its too bad he can’t go deep into games. He might be really dominating then.
TheOnlyBravesFan
June 28th, 2012
10:13 am
This start for Jurrjens is almost as big as the last start. Is he for real or was it a fluke in Boston?
I’d say it’s a bigger start since he needs to prove it wasn’t a fluke.
MikeInFl
June 28th, 2012
10:13 am
Sorry guys. Carry on.
Jimmy
June 28th, 2012
10:16 am
ncscoots – Make it about a fat demo and somehow involve Little Debbie snack cakes.
Tonight is a statement start for Jurrjens.
Lew
June 28th, 2012
10:16 am
Looks like the entire bill has been upheld. Here endeth the commentary.
ncscoots
June 28th, 2012
10:16 am
Individual manadate ruled unconstitutional
Well, that’s the name a dat tune,then. Not much chance of that law working, with only sick people in the insured pool. Oh, well.
TheOnlyBravesFan
June 28th, 2012
10:16 am
Wow, getting more money than Soler (at least for now)
Dodgers To Sign Yasel Puig
By Ben Nicholson-Smith [June 28 at 9:13am CST]
The Dodgers have agreed to sign 21-year-old outfielder Yasel Puig to a multiyear deal worth more than $40MM, MLB.com’s Jesse Sanchez reports.
monty
June 28th, 2012
10:19 am
Brian-”Is he for real or was it a fluke in Boston?”
Even after tonite it’ll be too soon to tell. Another good performance and people will be still saying “well let’s wait till we see him string some nice games together”. (good point) And what if he goes 6 and gives up 3 like Hanson did? WiIl that be a good enough sign? What if he goes 4 and gives up 4? Just no way to qualify on two appearances. We may feel better after tonite or a little worse or a lot worse, but it still wouldn’t mean a definitive yea or nay. I’d say that as long as his mechanics are OK and his knee doesn’t bark at him, he should be respectable.
Hillbilly
June 28th, 2012
10:20 am
Sorry guys. Carry on.
No need to apologize. You’re intentions are in the right place. It’s a slippery slope, and while Lew and scoots may be right about it being a joke at this point, it won’t end up that way most likely. Someone will push it a little too far, and the joke will become a spat. The someone will walk away a pout pout fish. Happens every time.
Jimmy
June 28th, 2012
10:20 am
Lew – What? Go to CNN to read about it.
Jeff R
June 28th, 2012
10:20 am
This start for Jurrjens is almost as big as the last start. Is he for real or was it a fluke in Boston?
I’d say it’s a bigger start since he needs to prove it wasn’t a fluke.
Just cobbling together a couple of good starts isn’t a trend. Jurrjens has to show over multiple starts that he can at least pitch competently again. He doesn’t have to win every one of those games, but he can’t afford to get rocked.
Lew
June 28th, 2012
10:21 am
scoots – It was NOT ruled Unconstitutional – the entire bill was upheld. Just not upheld under the Commerce clause, but under the tax provisions.
Ease
June 28th, 2012
10:22 am
Tonight is a statement start for Jurrjens.
Thank you Jimmy…
Statement Start!
ncscoots
June 28th, 2012
10:22 am
Someone will push it a little too far, and the joke will become a spat.
But that someone will not be I, thus, my conscience is clear.
ncbravesfan90
June 28th, 2012
10:22 am
“Well, that’s the name a dat tune,then. Not much chance of that law working, with only sick people in the insured pool. Oh, well”
Well at first I thought they said it was unconstitutional but now they’re saying part of it is upheld….who knows.
Lew
June 28th, 2012
10:23 am
Jimmy – Been watching CNN all morning – they’re talking about it now. The Bill has been upheld. They had argued that Congress had the ability under the Commerce Clause, but they claimed it was Constitutional as a Tax.
Ease
June 28th, 2012
10:23 am
The someone will walk away a pout pout fish.
I bet that would be Soph.
ncbravesfan90
June 28th, 2012
10:24 am
Lew-
Thats very interesting considering all along we were told it was definitely not a tax but a fine…..oh well haha
Lew
June 28th, 2012
10:25 am
ncbraves – Yep, certain amout of ironly inmvolved. Oh well, I’ve had insurance all along, so it’s somewhat moot to me.
ncscoots
June 28th, 2012
10:25 am
Ah, I see. CNN was a little quick on the trigger (too many reporters with a smartphone and a blog, obviously). The Supes manage to say both things at the same time, in their own inimitable way, LOL.
ncbravesfan90
June 28th, 2012
10:26 am
Lew-
I’ve had it as well. Just been interesting to follow seeing the 180’s that have taken place over the past few months.
Lew
June 28th, 2012
10:27 am
scoots – That they were. Premature information.
Bat Masterson
June 28th, 2012
10:28 am
Bat, this tweet is for you…
Someone in the pro-obamacare crowd blasting Bob Marley — One Love. Somehow I doubt everyone is here to get together and feel alright _ Ease
I’m not sure how to take that, Ease. But ……..
The road is long
With many a winding turn
That leads us to who knows where
Who knows where
But I’m strong
Strong enough to carry him
He ain’t heavy, he’s my brother
So on we go
His welfare is of my concern
No burden is he to bear
We’ll get there
For I know
He would not encumber me
He ain’t heavy, he’s my brother
And Bob’s your uncle
CrαZy
June 28th, 2012
10:28 am
oh well….
Yeah, it’s not important…. just another thing made mandatory!
Only thing I’ll say…. back to baseball!!
Efrim
June 28th, 2012
10:30 am
According to MLB.com’s Jesse Sanchez, the Dodgers have agreed to a multi-year contract with Cuban outfielder Yasel Puig worth more than $40 million.
Yikes…..that is a little much based on what I’ve read about him. However it’s tough with Cuban players. We’ll see. Lots of dough from LAD. They are going to run it this offseason.
Lew
June 28th, 2012
10:30 am
ncbraves – Absolutely – Never a dull moment in the 24 Hour News Cycle. Unfortunately, the most relevant coverage is usually on Comedy Central with Stewart and Colbert.
Ease
June 28th, 2012
10:30 am
That they were. Premature information.
I knew it!
Old person tax.
Jimmy
June 28th, 2012
10:31 am
Lew – I just read the article on CNN.com
You are right sir, and I was wrong.
I was fooled by their headline: “Mandate struck down
High court finds measure unconstitutional”
Anyway… back to what really matters.
FIRE FG!!!
Efrim
June 28th, 2012
10:31 am
Heyward now ranks 15th in the NL in OPS: http://espn.go.com/mlb/stats/batting/_/league/nl/sort/OPS/order/true
Incredible June.
CrαZy
June 28th, 2012
10:31 am
the most relevant coverage is usually on Comedy Central with Stewart and Colbert
Sad, but completly true!!!
Murph
June 28th, 2012
10:32 am
Kinda unrelated, but I lived in Canada for 3 years and witnessed their medical system firsthand…
The old guy who lived across the street from us had a heart attack and was rushed to the hospital, where he lay on a gurney in a hallway for 2 days and proceeded to have 2 more heart attacks. He somehow survived long enough to get proper care.
We found out that my wife was pregnant while up there, too. Went to the first appointment, which was at a walk-in clinic along side a guy who had cut off his thumb with a table saw, and the woman doctor asked when we thought the baby was conceived… she then looked at some chart to try and come up with a probably due date… apparently in Canada babies gestate for 16 months, because she overestimated by a good 28 weeks. We left shaking our heads and got the ball rolling on our move back to the States that afternoon.
Again, not really related to the insurance debate brewing right now, but it was an interesting glimpse at an alternative medical system to our own.
Lew
June 28th, 2012
10:32 am
John Boehner will now turn bright red orange and be considered as an alternative energy source.
Ease
June 28th, 2012
10:33 am
Bat, as long as its the Neil Diamond version.
Lew
June 28th, 2012
10:34 am
Efrim – Heyward is no longer disappointing. If this is what was expected all along, we should be in pretty good shapoe in RF for a few more years at least.
Efrim
June 28th, 2012
10:36 am
we should be in pretty good shapoe in RF for a few more years at least.
Heck, better be for longer than that. That should be high on the priority list this Winter if he keeps this up.
Jimmy
June 28th, 2012
10:36 am
Murph – lived in England for 9 years. The stories I could tell!
I learn something everyday on the ole blog.
“apparently in Canada babies gestate for 16 months”
I’m calling folks right now, like I did yesterday on the Marty McFly incident.
monty
June 28th, 2012
10:36 am
I thought this wasn’t a political forum? Some of you know better.
jeffrey d
June 28th, 2012
10:37 am
Murph – lived in England for 9 years. The stories I could tell!
Did you wear your overalls??
Lew
June 28th, 2012
10:38 am
Efr- That would work for me. Re-up Heyward, Prado and McCann. Freeman can wait a year or two.
Jimmy
June 28th, 2012
10:38 am
I don’t know what happened to Heyward, but he has been locked in for a couple of weeks now.
“Hitting the ball with authority”, I think they call it.
TheOnlyBravesFan
June 28th, 2012
10:38 am
Yikes…..that is a little much based on what I’ve read about him. However it’s tough with Cuban players. We’ll see. Lots of dough from LAD. They are going to run it this offseason.
They’ve already started the overpayment of players….
Heck, better be for longer than that. That should be high on the priority list this Winter if he keeps this up.
Ehh, no. I’d like to see him do it for at least half of next year before locking him up…
Lew
June 28th, 2012
10:39 am
monty – Like we said earlier – no one has espoused a politcal viewpoint – merely discussed current events.
Lew
June 28th, 2012
10:40 am
Sorry – One person stated that BOTH parties are full of crap.
Bat Masterson
June 28th, 2012
10:41 am
Neil Diamond?
jeffrey d
June 28th, 2012
10:41 am
I thought this wasn’t a political forum? Some of you know better.
I’m no DOB, but this seems civil. The only political “discussions” I can’t stand are the
“Obama’s a idiot because he didn’t fix the economy and those stupid Republicidiots can’t do nothing right!!”
“Oh yeah?? Well it is all Bush’s fault!!”
And it’s just everyone yelling at the other. Democrats can do no right and everything’s their fault. And vice versa
Jimmy
June 28th, 2012
10:42 am
jeffery d – LOL.
No, that was pre-reaissance.
Wore a uniform back then.
Murph
June 28th, 2012
10:44 am
DOB, any indication if the Braves will be in on the new Cuban OF Puig?
Sounds like both Chicago teams are chasing him… sounds like he’s pretty good. The deal for Soler was pretty cheap… might be worth taking a chance and offering the guy a similar deal, maybe 8 years, $24mil. If he ends up sucking, it’s only $3mil (still can’t believe I type “only $3mil”… baseball) per year.
Jimmy
June 28th, 2012
10:45 am
Re-up Heyward, Prado and McCann.
Yes, Yes and No.
jeffrey d
June 28th, 2012
10:45 am
Wore a uniform back then
One like this?
http://www.aviewoncities.com/img/london/kveen0742s.jpg
Ease
June 28th, 2012
10:46 am
I guess you prefer The Hollies?
TheOnlyBravesFan
June 28th, 2012
10:47 am
Re-up Heyward, Prado and McCann.
No, YES, No.
btw, can we sign Kimbrel longterm, like 7 years and a few options? Doubt he’d do it though. Would be nice
jeffrey d
June 28th, 2012
10:48 am
While Kimbrel’s pretty BA, there’s always a risk with relievers.
Ease
June 28th, 2012
10:48 am
Wore a uniform back then
Or this one?
DAP
June 28th, 2012
10:48 am
id lock up mccann if he would do it. it wouldnt be for $20mil per.
Sopheee
June 28th, 2012
10:49 am
Yes x 3
jeffrey d
June 28th, 2012
10:49 am
….long term
Ease
June 28th, 2012
10:49 am
http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Imperial_military_uniforms?image=Sub-officer-jpg
Ease
June 28th, 2012
10:49 am
This.
Bat Masterson
June 28th, 2012
10:50 am
Yeah, Ease. No accounting for taste, huh.
jeffrey d
June 28th, 2012
10:50 am
Or this one?
….nude?
Lew
June 28th, 2012
10:50 am
Why would you worry about re-signing Kimbrel NOW? He’s got four more years of contractual control – one of them very inexpensively. Way too early on him and Freeman.
Heyward hits arbitration this winter and re-signing him could begate much of the arb boosts and lock him up past Free Agency – Prado, too.
You’re just not going to find a better catching option than McCann and Betancourt really isn’t all that, though I’d wait until next year to re-sign Mac..
Murph
June 28th, 2012
10:53 am
Why is my last comment in moderation?
Anywho, I asked DOB if there has been any indication on whether or not the Braves will be in on Puig?
Seems like both Chicago teams are in on him, and if the contract is similar to the one Soler signed, he might be worth a $3mil/year risk… if he’s as good as people say he is.
Sopheee
June 28th, 2012
10:54 am
Hope the Braves don’t melt away on Saturday when it’s supposedly a 106 degrees and probably hotter on the field. Sucks it’s a day game.
DAP
June 28th, 2012
10:56 am
lew, ill be interested to see what neftali feliz gets in his first year of arbitration. it wont be a perfect comparison to kimbrel, but it might show us what kind of money kimbrel will make in arbitration. it might be a good idea to lock him up to save some cash in that area.
CB
June 28th, 2012
10:56 am
Murph, signing with Dodgers.
Venice Jim
June 28th, 2012
10:56 am
Might have missed a mention of this, but R.I.P. Don Grady (Robbie Douglas on My Three Sons)…
TheOnlyBravesFan
June 28th, 2012
10:57 am
id lock up mccann if he would do it. it wouldnt be for $20mil per.
12-14 mil max for me… and 4 years with an option… he’s gonna be 29/30 when he’s signed.
While Kimbrel’s pretty BA, there’s always a risk with relievers
This is true.
Why would you worry about re-signing Kimbrel NOW? He’s got four more years of contractual control
Yes, you’re correct, but maybe do it next year. It might be cheaper than going thru arbitration. But, there is the injury risk with these guys.
though I’d wait until next year to re-sign Mac..
try to resign Mac, you mean.
DAP
June 28th, 2012
10:57 am
but yeah, id lock up heyward and prado. lock up mccann if you cann. wait a year on freeman and kimbrel.
TheOnlyBravesFan
June 28th, 2012
10:59 am
Hope the Braves don’t melt away on Saturday when it’s supposedly a 106 degrees and probably hotter on the field.
Fredi G. should give Uggla his off day then…. hope the games a 1-0, 2-1 affair so that the players don’t have to stand out there too long
Jimmy
June 28th, 2012
11:01 am
Closer to Ease than yours Jeffery d.
Sopheee – Yeah I mentioned that both Saturday and Sunday will be brutal.
Lew – I would not sign McCann to an extension. Not at the amount and length that has been kicked around here.
But let’s see where we stand next year.
Lew
June 28th, 2012
11:01 am
DAP – I agree about Kimbrel – I’d just wait a couple more years and take out a year or so of arb and some FA years. Just waiting at least another year could save a couple mil in and of itself.
TheOnlyBravesFan
June 28th, 2012
11:02 am
But send Mac, Hinske, and Francisco out there on Saturday. Those 3 have fat to melt away
couldn’t resist!
jeffrey d
June 28th, 2012
11:02 am
hm…I didn’t know the Empire had a branch in England.
Murph
June 28th, 2012
11:02 am
Pffff, 106? It’s 106 here at 8 in the morning.
The best part about our heat waves in Austin is that it drops my natural gas bill down to just about zero. Our hot water heaters are both in the attic above our garage, and the water gets plenty hot without needing fire to warm it.
Kinda sucks when you go to get a drink and the cold water is hot coming out of the tap, but I can live with it.
Lew
June 28th, 2012
11:03 am
Jimmy – I’d wait until next year, but I;d still re-sign him. As for what is thrown around the blog? I’d wear protecxtive clothing and a bullet proof vest if we were just discussing the weather, much less how much Mac might or might not cost.
DAP
June 28th, 2012
11:03 am
who else is comparable to kimbrel, that we can check arbitration salaries with? i think its worth noting that o’flarety got $2.5mil in his first year. you have to figure kimbrel gets more than that.
TheOnlyBravesFan
June 28th, 2012
11:04 am
McCann won’t be back in ‘14…. he’s gonna be Canned (lame I know)
ncscoots
June 28th, 2012
11:04 am
Kinda sucks when you go to get a drink and the cold water is hot coming out of the tap, but I can live with it.
Get a fridge with icemaker and water dispenser, man.
jeffrey d
June 28th, 2012
11:05 am
Pffff, 106? It’s 106 here at 8 in the morning.
Yeah but there’s much less humidity. I was helping build a house in Mexico and it was somewhere around 115, but it didn’t feel nearly as bad as 99 in Georgia because of the drier air.
jeffrey d
June 28th, 2012
11:07 am
i think its worth noting that o’flarety got $2.5mil in his first year
But didn’t he lead all relievers in ERA last year? Granted Kimbrel will get more, but it’s not like EOF was coming off a crappy season.
Jimmy
June 28th, 2012
11:08 am
jeffery d – I can neither acknowledge or deny the Empire’s presence in the United Kingdom. I’m sure you understand.
jeffrey d
June 28th, 2012
11:09 am
Man, how did Seattle let this guy go?
http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/o/oflaher01.shtml#2009-2012-sum:pitching_standard
Sopheee
June 28th, 2012
11:10 am
106 with our humidity is no picnic.
Lew
June 28th, 2012
11:10 am
And there’s still another year before Kimbrell goes to arb. Plenty of time still to worry about locking him up. Wren has more than enough on his plate for this winter without having to concern himself with Mac of Kimbrel..
Jimmy
June 28th, 2012
11:11 am
Lew – Right, we’ll have to wait and see. But I certainly hope it is less than four years. Three with an option or something like that.
Lew
June 28th, 2012
11:12 am
Not only did he lead all relievers in ERA last year, but posted the lowest ERA EVER for a reliever with that many appearnaces.
jeffrey d
June 28th, 2012
11:13 am
Not only did he lead all relievers in ERA last year, but posted the lowest ERA EVER for a reliever with that many appearnaces.
Ever?? There’s no way he’s posted an ERA lower than the likes of Rivera, Smoltz, and Wickman.
TennesseePaul
June 28th, 2012
11:13 am
i think its worth noting that o’flarety got $2.5mil in his first year. you have to figure kimbrel gets more than that.
I don’t think players in their first and second year can compare themselves to free agents or other players in arguing their case. So that will tend to keep the awards low, meaning Kimbrel could ask for $9M or so in his first year. He’d lose. He’ll get a hefty raise from his current salary though. But that’s if he and the team even get to arbitration.
TennesseePaul
June 28th, 2012
11:14 am
**couldn’t ask for…
Jimmy
June 28th, 2012
11:14 am
Bob Wickman…oh, the memories.
The instigator of the fat jokes.
Arkansas Transplant
June 28th, 2012
11:14 am
We need to just trade for Greinke, first working a long term deal with him or at least have one in place, then let Bourn walk in the offseason. We could sign a multitude of cheaper CF options in the offseason or look at a trade to acquire one.
cricket
June 28th, 2012
11:15 am
Did Murph just create issues for his child’s future American President campaign by insinuating a Canadian birth?
TennesseePaul
June 28th, 2012
11:15 am
Ever??
Yes. Ever.
But nice touch with the Wickman add-on. That made me laugh. ( :
Lew
June 28th, 2012
11:15 am
jeffrey d – His ERA was under 1 run per nine. It was the lowest ever for that many appearances.
David O'Brien
June 28th, 2012
11:15 am
Kimbrel gave up two runs, two hits and two walks in consecutive appearances May 2 and May 4. Behold his numbers since then: Three hits (.055 OA) and two walks allowed with 28 strikeouts in 17 scoreless innings over his past 17 games, including an .048 average with no walks and 24 strikeouts in 13 innings over his past 13 appearances.
cricket
June 28th, 2012
11:16 am
Not only did he lead all relievers in ERA last year, but posted the lowest ERA EVER for a reliever with that many appearnaces.
Hail Fredi
Arkansas Transplant
June 28th, 2012
11:17 am
If JJ bounces back, I’m not so certain you just let him walk next year though. I’d have to either offer arb or trade.. but no way do you let him walk for nothing. Same goes for Bourn, you have to offer arb.
Jimmy
June 28th, 2012
11:18 am
“with no walks and 24 strikeouts in 13 innings over his past 13 appearances.”
Unsustainable. For all intensive purposes, nowhere to go but down.
jeffrey d
June 28th, 2012
11:18 am
I really just wanted to use the Wickman line.
TennesseePaul
June 28th, 2012
11:19 am
If JJ bounces back, I’m not so certain you just let him walk next year though.
Of course not. If he bounces back he’ll have value.
ncscoots
June 28th, 2012
11:19 am
Kimbrel
Guy ought to be a lock for Pitcher Of The Month, as far as I’m concerned.
TennesseePaul
June 28th, 2012
11:20 am
Unsustainable. For all intensive purposes, nowhere to go but down.
True. And if he gets injured and starts stinking, you can say you totally called his “regression”.
cricket
June 28th, 2012
11:21 am
too many strikeouts, doesn’t keep his infielders involved and on their toes and awake
Braves Fan in Maine
June 28th, 2012
11:21 am
thanks DOB for the little update…… JJ is going to come out and shut down the dbacks!!
ncscoots
June 28th, 2012
11:21 am
But maybe Kimbrel hasn’t really pitched enough in June to be POTM. Hadn’t thought about that.
Ease
June 28th, 2012
11:22 am
Bat, the Hollies version is what I listened too this morning, but I just remember the Diamond version more. Not saying I like one over the other. But it somehow…fits…
DAP
June 28th, 2012
11:23 am
jeffery d But didn’t he lead all relievers in ERA last year? Granted Kimbrel will get more, but it’s not like EOF was coming off a crappy season.
totally. just saying you gotta firgure it as the floor for kimbrel.
ncscoots
June 28th, 2012
11:23 am
nowhere to go but down.[for Kimbrel]
Safe call, considering his K/BB ratio is at infinity.
Lew
June 28th, 2012
11:23 am
Rivera had an ERA of 1.38 in 05. Smoltz had an ERA of 1.12 in 03, Wicky was never vaguely close and EOF’s ERA last year was 0.98..
Ease
June 28th, 2012
11:24 am
Hail Fredi
What does this even mean? Fire Fredi. Hail Fredi. What’s next?
Wind Fredi?
Ease
June 28th, 2012
11:24 am
Earth Fredi!
Arkansas Transplant
June 28th, 2012
11:25 am
It’d be a nice rotation next season if we could acquire Greinke…
Greinke
Hudson
Hanson
JJ
Delgado
With Beachy possibly being ready towards the end of the season, Teheran possibly ready to take his place in the rotation. Lots of options but a definite strong rotation.
ncscoots
June 28th, 2012
11:25 am
Win-i-Fredi.
jeffrey d
June 28th, 2012
11:25 am
But maybe Kimbrel hasn’t really pitched enough in June to be POTM. Hadn’t thought about that.
Yeah…he hardly got to pitch during that 50 game losing streak.
jeffrey d
June 28th, 2012
11:26 am
Heart-Fredi
Fredi: With your powers combined, I am Captain Lineup!
Capt.Mudd
June 28th, 2012
11:26 am
…..Looks like I’ll get to show my biceps at The Ted this weekend…..scantily attired due to rising temps and, I may add, those ‘guns’ of mine have been enhanced by a couple 15 buck Rathburn stk sambiches…..ok….it looks like ICEE drinks all the way instead.
Bat Masterson
June 28th, 2012
11:26 am
Ease_
I’m kidding all the way around with that one. I’ve never listened to the Neil Diamond version consciously. Meaning, I’m sure I’ve heard it without paying any attention.
Capt.Mudd/Lineup
June 28th, 2012
11:27 am
Too late….I have adopted that moniker as of now “d”
Sopheee
June 28th, 2012
11:28 am
Hopefully, they’ll be celebratory Icees, Capt.
ncscoots
June 28th, 2012
11:29 am
It’d be a nice rotation next season if we could acquire Greinke…
And I’m sure that rotation would love having Luis Durango and Todd Cunningham man two OF spots behind them.
Ease
June 28th, 2012
11:29 am
Storm Fredi!
Capt.Mudd
June 28th, 2012
11:30 am
……PaleFredi
Lew
June 28th, 2012
11:30 am
Captain LIneup – New Marvel Superhero? I see a movie franchise in the making.
Ease
June 28th, 2012
11:31 am
they’ll be celebratory Icees
I’d hate to be you the next morning.
Capt.Mudd
June 28th, 2012
11:33 am
@Sophee…..If I said I wouldn’t enjoy a good long “hot streak,” I’d be a liar.
DAP
June 28th, 2012
11:33 am
Wolverine Fredi…? im not sure i get it.
Arkansas Transplant
June 28th, 2012
11:33 am
ncscoots, who said anything about those 2?
Braves in last palce by the all star brake
June 28th, 2012
11:33 am
I dont no why U all R so exited about Hansen he almost blue the lead last nite.
Arkansas Transplant
June 28th, 2012
11:34 am
Cunningham may not be a bad choice though, if he continues to progress.
Ease
June 28th, 2012
11:35 am
He’s ‘Cold as Icee’ Fredi!
Capt.Mudd
June 28th, 2012
11:37 am
“I’d hate to be you the next morning”
Is that the way Uggla looks and feels after going 0-4 ???
jeffrey d
June 28th, 2012
11:37 am
I don’t think Captain Planet was Marvel. At least I hope not.
Role Call!!
Wolverine: Here and ready to slash!
Captain America: Captain America here to save America from the Nazis!
Hulk: HULK SMASH!!!
Captain America: Everybody make sure you clean up after yourselves!
TheOnlyBravesFan
June 28th, 2012
11:37 am
^^^ You sound like loosing Managar… how old are you? don’t sound older than 12
George
June 28th, 2012
11:37 am
Hi all
Good win last night TOMMY was good for 6.3 inns FREDI said so. WTG CHIPPER, Seems he still has some BHs left in his bats.
jeffrey d
June 28th, 2012
11:38 am
How do you think Fredi did last night, George?
TheOnlyBravesFan
June 28th, 2012
11:39 am
addressed to Braves in last palce by the all star brake
jeffrey d
June 28th, 2012
11:39 am
You sound like loosing Managar… how old are you? don’t sound older than 12
Looks like he’s an adult trying to act stupid to get a few responses.
“blue” gave it away…nobody’s that dumb.
jeffrey d
June 28th, 2012
11:39 am
brake too
Jimmy
June 28th, 2012
11:40 am
Yes brake, we almost lost. And they nearly won.
Sopheee
June 28th, 2012
11:40 am
At least he spelled Braves right.
Murph
June 28th, 2012
11:40 am
Did Murph just create issues for his child’s future American President campaign by insinuating a Canadian birth?
No no no… conceived after several beers at Safeco Field, born a half hour away from Wrigley Field… the 6 year old is 100% American.
Ease
June 28th, 2012
11:42 am
nobody’s that dumb.
One comes to mind…
Jimmy
June 28th, 2012
11:42 am
Brake Fredi!
George
June 28th, 2012
11:43 am
jeffrey d
June 28th, 2012
11:38 am
How do you think Fredi did last night, George?
*********************************************
He was ok last night. I do have a question. We all know more or less what players salerys are. What is the aveage sarlery for MGRs?
jeffrey d
June 28th, 2012
11:43 am
One comes to mind…
There’s dumb and there’s intentionally dumb. I wish the intentionally dumb were more crafty…not overdoing it. Like this guy.
jeffrey d
June 28th, 2012
11:44 am
What is the aveage sarlery for MGRs?
A nickel’s too much for Fredi, that’s for sure!!
Capt.Mudd
June 28th, 2012
11:44 am
Well @Brake….he does use ‘fluid’ english; //..>>after alls.
Jimmy
June 28th, 2012
11:46 am
“conceived after several beers at Safeco Field”
At least Murph admitted he had to get her drunk. Take her to the game, get her drunk, take her home.
Well done Murph!
ChattTownBrian
June 28th, 2012
11:46 am
I thought the Braves were looking at a deal for Liriano. Somebody posted that yesterday, I dont remember who.
ncscoots
June 28th, 2012
11:48 am
who said anything about those 2?
About the only two OFs the team will be able to afford, after paying Greinke $20MM+.