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TheOnlyBravesFan
June 28th, 2012
12:13 pm
Phillies Designate Chad Qualls For Assignment
FW, get him on the phone now. We need veterans in the pen
Puig will obtain a seven-year, $42MM deal, Enrique Rojas of ESPNDeportesLosAngeles.com reports. The Dodgers don’t appear to have been the high bidder, Jon Heyman of CBSSports.com tweets. They never saw Puig play in a game, Danny Knobler of CBSSports.com tweets.
DiamondbackMac
June 28th, 2012
12:14 pm
Lew
I was just talking with my brother-in-law about the rotator cuff surgery he had yesterday. The people at the Andrews clinic said that it was the worst they had ever seen. He is supposed to get the other one done in November. This is the brother-in-law who is my wine making partner.
Lew
June 28th, 2012
12:16 pm
DBack – Is he on the DL for the wine making season?
Arkansas Transplant
June 28th, 2012
12:17 pm
About the only two OFs the team will be able to afford, after paying Greinke $20MM+.
Who will they afford after paying Bourn 15 plus a year?
DiamondbackMac
June 28th, 2012
12:19 pm
He’s on the DL for damn near everything.
Capt.Mudd
June 28th, 2012
12:19 pm
@Lew….Does this mean my DiamondRacks will go dry?
DiamondbackMac
June 28th, 2012
12:20 pm
If any wine is made this year, I’ll be doing it alone.
Lew
June 28th, 2012
12:20 pm
If they sign Bourn, they won’t need much more – maybe a LFer or 3B and some bench players.
Lew
June 28th, 2012
12:22 pm
Capt -= Don’t know – best to ask DBackMac. All I can tell you is that he sent us a bottle and my Wife enjoyed it.
CrαZy
June 28th, 2012
12:22 pm
Is Baseball popular in Costa Rica?
Efrim
June 28th, 2012
12:22 pm
I thought EOF made like 900K in his first year of arbitration and then 2.49million in his second year?
Grizzled Veteran
June 28th, 2012
12:23 pm
“For all intensive purposes” at 11:18. That’s just another blogism, right? Right?
O.J.
June 28th, 2012
12:23 pm
Who wants to bet that Chad Qualls will somehow end up in a Braves uni? I personally dont know what his deal is and his numbers are not impressive, but I know the Braves have always wanted him. Who thinks Braves sign him by today or tomorrow, or actually, trade for him since he was DFA’ed?
Arkansas Transplant
June 28th, 2012
12:24 pm
Lew, we need pitching more than Bourn.
Capt.Mudd
June 28th, 2012
12:28 pm
@Lew…..You got the connections, and, man there’s nothing better than an intimate glass of fine wine with dinner….enhanced immeasurably thru loving eyes–Go Lew, Go D’bk Mac!!!
TheOnlyBravesFan
June 28th, 2012
12:28 pm
AT: I disagree. Our young pitchers (especially Minor, I hope) will all be 1 year better. That’s a big improvement and little cost.
Ease
June 28th, 2012
12:28 pm
We gots pitchers, need more belly itchers.
DAP
June 28th, 2012
12:29 pm
efrim I thought EOF made like 900K in his first year of arbitration and then 2.49million in his second year?
dont think so, unless ive completely misinterpreted this.
http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/o/oflaher01.shtml
his salaries are the bottom of the page, the gray line separates arb from pre arb. it says 2013 ill be his 2nd round of arbitration.
Ease
June 28th, 2012
12:29 pm
will all be 1 year better
Because they will be one year older.
Efrim
June 28th, 2012
12:29 pm
AT, we need one pitcher to replace Beachy. If he’s not hurt, I wouldn’t be nearly as concerned about the Braves starting rotation for the rest of this season or 2013. Teheran, Delgado, Minor, Medlen or Gilmartin have to be able to fill 2 spots. 3? Not sure. Which is why acquiring one start(doesn’t have to be top line guy like Greinke) is important.
Arkansas Transplant
June 28th, 2012
12:30 pm
TheOnlyBravesFan, not so sure we can ride those guys next year. Beachy won’t be back and I guess we could use them just don’t expect to compete with all that youth and consistency.
Jimmy
June 28th, 2012
12:30 pm
Grizzled Veteran – Yes, it was.
DiamondbackMac
June 28th, 2012
12:31 pm
Lew
We did our canning last week, before the surgery. Tomatoes, jalapenos, and garlic jalapeno dill pickles. No peas or green beans this year, we have lots left from the past two years.
Efrim
June 28th, 2012
12:31 pm
You guys have to use Cots: http://www.baseballprospectus.com/compensation/cots/?page_id=118
-1 year/$0.895M (2011)
-re-signed by Atlanta 1/18/11 (avoided arbitration)
DAP
June 28th, 2012
12:31 pm
arkansas t we need pitching more than Bourn.
im not sure thats correct. bourn contributes alot to scoring and preventing runs. weve got pitchers, but no one like bourn.
unless the pitcher is cole hamels or someone like him, i think bourn might be more valuable to us.
Efrim
June 28th, 2012
12:32 pm
A nice excel spreadsheet: https://spreadsheets.google.com/pub?key=tujElf32-2d237jk3IzWLsg&output=html
EOF’s last year of arbitration is in 2013. Then he’s a free agent.
CB
June 28th, 2012
12:35 pm
What we really need is a bigger budget and making wise decisions.
TheOnlyBravesFan
June 28th, 2012
12:36 pm
Because they will be one year older.
Not because they’re older, but because they have pitched a year in the Majors… that should count for something. I can see why people are worried about filling 3 spots with young guys, but we don’t need to fill that spot with Greinke…. maybe JJ will come back on a 1 yr deal for 4 million (assuming he’s good the rest of the year)
BravePack(FreeFan)
June 28th, 2012
12:37 pm
Just wanted to stop by and say hi to all and share some thoughts:
First of all how good is Craig f’n Kimbrel…dude is a beast. If the Braves have a lead going into the 9th the game is over. I feel more confident with him than I did when Smoltz was the closer.
So with Beachy going down I would really like Wren to go get Zach Greinke. An ace on this staff is really needed now and if the Braves want to go anywhere in the playoffs they need another arm. I wouldn’t mind giving a pitcher like Greinke an extension, but I’m not sure he’s worth 20 mil a year with his personal demons. I really hope Wren goes all out trying to acquire some needed pieces for this team with Chipper retiring. What do you guys think it would take to get Greinke?
Lew
June 28th, 2012
12:39 pm
Transplant – Yep, that’s what you’ve been claiming. Bet they concern themselves with outfield and not nearly as much about pitching this winter.
If they plan to get a pitcher, it will be before th deadline this year and NOT over the winter – excepting bullpen, that is.
Ease
June 28th, 2012
12:39 pm
Pitchers grow on trees, impact players (i.e. Bourn) are not.
DAP
June 28th, 2012
12:40 pm
thanks for clarifying that, efrim.
Ease
June 28th, 2012
12:41 pm
What do you guys think it would take to get Greinke?
A bag of baseballs to start.
TheOnlyBravesFan
June 28th, 2012
12:41 pm
I think Delgado and possibly Minor will be decent next year, and Teheran can be the “rookie” on the staff. Of course, this all depends on how those 2 finish the year, and especially Minor ….
Arkansas Transplant
June 28th, 2012
12:42 pm
I don’t think Bourn is that much greater than what we could fill compared to what Greinke would produce in the rotation.
TheOnlyBravesFan
June 28th, 2012
12:43 pm
What do you guys think it would take to get Greinke?
A bag of baseballs to start.
His choice of psychologist 2nd…
Lew
June 28th, 2012
12:43 pm
Grienke would cost way more than we’re going to pay – both in prospects for the rental and a long term contract to make it worthwhile. Just don’t see the Braves paying a pitcher $15 mil+ per year with the young pitching the’ve been hoarding all this time.
If they DO decide they need veteran phing help, it won’t be a top of the roion starter – nor does it need to be with Hudson and Hanson on the staff.
N Nine
June 28th, 2012
12:51 pm
I really hope Wren goes all out trying to acquire some needed pieces for this team with Chipper retiring
I hope that extra cash is stored for Bourn and Boras & Company. Take a pitcher this deadline but get Bourn locked it.
ncscoots
June 28th, 2012
12:55 pm
Who will they afford after paying Bourn 15 plus a year?
Josh Willingham.
Efrim
June 28th, 2012
12:59 pm
I really don’t think we’ll be paying any starting pitcher 20 million. That’s just not in line with what this team has done recently. Wren dipped into the free agent pool in 2008/2009 because the pitchers were a ways off from showing up – he knew Hanson was on his way, but Beachy was an unknown and Teheran/Delgado were in Danville/Rome at the time, I think.
Efrim
June 28th, 2012
12:59 pm
No prob, DAP. Cots is awesome. Highly recommend it for any payroll questions.
Efrim
June 28th, 2012
1:06 pm
How many outfielders are usually selected for the NL All-Star team? 5? CarGo, Braun and McCutchen should be the starters….with Beltran and perhaps Melky as the reserves.
ncscoots
June 28th, 2012
1:11 pm
.205 OPS (.045 slugging) [for Kimbrel's opps]
I mean, come on. If you were writing a book, you couldn’t put that in it, because no one would find it credible. Nintendo, indeed. That’s just sick.
ChattTownBrian
June 28th, 2012
1:13 pm
Lew, I thought Beachy was our ace. Would love to see us get a top rotation starter at the deadline, but you’re right it isn’t happening. No chance. Not when I see us needing another late pen guy and a bench bat. And I do see us getting one of those to go with a mid-rotation guy.
Fish Bisch
June 28th, 2012
1:14 pm
This title is funny.
I have a void in my number 1 hole.
flange1
June 28th, 2012
1:16 pm
Now Fish……..
ChattTownBrian
June 28th, 2012
1:17 pm
And that bench bat is the one I see Wren going after to go with Liriano type pitcher. Medlen will eventually take Venters spot for good, if he hasn’t already. Hard to tell the way Fredi uses matchups so much.
Ease
June 28th, 2012
1:18 pm
David O’Brien @ajcbraves
Those who’d add Teheran to #Braves rotation: He’s avg just under 5 inn. per start this yr in Triple-A, has 3.50 ERA, 47 K/26 BB in 64-1/3 IP
Efrim
June 28th, 2012
1:18 pm
Why does everyone hit Kyle Kendrick, except us?
And the Phillies are not making my “they are still dangerous” statement look very good…..
Ease
June 28th, 2012
1:20 pm
Phillies getting plastered by the Pirates.
5-0 after six…
batters.
Efrim
June 28th, 2012
1:20 pm
Those who’d add Teheran to #Braves rotation: He’s avg just under 5 inn. per start this yr in Triple-A, has 3.50 ERA, 47 K/26 BB in 64-1/3 IP
I think he’d do okay in the bigs right now. Not spectacular.
Doesn’t mean we should ship six years of his services off to Chi-town for 1.5 years of Matt Garza…..
Braves Fan in Maine
June 28th, 2012
1:23 pm
DAP, LEW agree with you guys alot…. for some reason people on this blog always think we need more pitching than hitting… I disagree if one of our hitters goes down we are done… we need another bat more than a one year wonder who will leave for free agency
Ease
June 28th, 2012
1:23 pm
For you Efrim…
Phiilies are still dangerous
Murph
June 28th, 2012
1:24 pm
Who’s going to hit leadoff next season when Bourn is gone?
Prado or… Simmons?
Ease
June 28th, 2012
1:24 pm
Oh hell.
http://www.funnyordie.com/videos/8afa50b440/iceman-the-later-years-from-nino
richbrave
June 28th, 2012
1:24 pm
DOWN ON THE FARM
DANVILLE
BRAVES rookies mash METS rookies 8-1.
RHSP RAFA BRICENO [W 1-0, 6.35 ERA] 6.0 IP, 3 H, 1 R/ER, 0 BB, 9 SO. Nice start.
LHRP MATT TALLEY [0.00 ERA] 2.0 IP, 1 H, zeros, 3 SO.
2011 FA PUERTO RICO RHRP BRYAM GARCIA [0.00 ERA] 1.0 IP, 1 H, zeros, 2 SO. For doing a great job in ROME [1.99 ERA 11 G, .221 AvAg], he’s moved back to DANVILLE?
Lead-off 2B LEVI HYAMS [.250 BA] 2-4, 2 R.
LF ED SANCHEZ [.321 BA] 2-4, 1 2B [5], 1 3B [1], 2 RBI [6], 1 BB, 2 SO.
3B TRENT MOSES [.250 BA] 1-3, 1 R, 1 BB, 1 SO.
RF BLAKE BROWN [.200 BA] 1-3, 1 R, 1 2B [1], 1 BB.
C NICK DeSANTIAGO [.231 BA] 1-3, 1 R, 1 BB.
richbrave
June 28th, 2012
1:27 pm
Braves Fan in Maine
June 28th, 2012
1:23 pm
“…..DAP, LEW agree with you guys alot…. for some reason people on this blog always think we need more pitching than hitting… I disagree if one of our hitters goes down we are done… we need another bat more than a one year wonder who will leave for free agency…..”
Dang, you mean McCANN’s still standing? I thought he went down awhile ago………just sayin’
DAP
June 28th, 2012
1:29 pm
wow, the giants have caught the dodgers in the west. i didnt think that would happen.
richbrave
June 28th, 2012
1:31 pm
EFRIM:
PHILLIES? They got old pretty quick didn’t they? Too many FA arms and farm raised bats I guess. Were UTLEY and HOWARD farm-raised, or were they trades/FA too?
McFann :Ô: :Ô: :ô:
June 28th, 2012
1:31 pm
richbrave Dang, you mean McCANN’s still standing? I thought he went down awhile ago………just sayin’
[sigh]……
Ease
June 28th, 2012
1:38 pm
Will they ever stop?
ncbravesfan90
June 28th, 2012
1:40 pm
“I think he’d do okay in the bigs right now. Not spectacular”
So you’d want someone in the big league rotation right now who can’t even pitch 5 innings on average at Gwinnett. No sir, we already have enough of that in the rotation now. This just proves even more why Wren needs to get an ace for this pitching staff.
Braves Fan in Maine
June 28th, 2012
1:45 pm
richbrave…. whats your opinion on what the braves do since you always have an opinion about someones comment
phil
June 28th, 2012
1:46 pm
brian
June 28th, 2012
10:03 am
People just like to protest
*************
It’s not hard to find the time when you don’t work and have no intention of working.
Sopheee
June 28th, 2012
1:48 pm
Mac fo’ life.
Ease
June 28th, 2012
1:49 pm
Beachy is just chillin’…
Brandon Beachy @Brandon_Beachy
#Wimbledon 2 seed Victoria Azarenka cannot be serious with that noise she makes on each serve. What a joke!
Glad he is taking rehab seriously.
Sopheee
June 28th, 2012
1:50 pm
Channeling your inner-George?
Ease
June 28th, 2012
1:51 pm
You fool no-one.
Ease
June 28th, 2012
1:52 pm
Inner-George? What the hell is that? That can exist?
And no.
Murph
June 28th, 2012
1:55 pm
Teheran had 3 games this year where he hadn’t given up a single run yet was pulled early (5.1, 5.2, 6.0 innings).
There are at least 3 other games where he had given up 3 or less runs and was pulled early (1.2/3 ER, 3.0/1 ER, 4.0/2 ER).
Those of you who are saying that “Teheran can’t even get past the 5th inning” need to look a little closer before opening up yer pie holes.
Sopheee
June 28th, 2012
2:00 pm
Obsession with one person where everything they do riles you up and makes you type in ALL CAPS randomly. You start nit picking about what color socks they wear, how they scratch their nose, what they had for lunch. It becomes your life.
Bat Masterson
June 28th, 2012
2:00 pm
It’s not hard to find the time when you don’t work and have no intention of working.
Ah come on, phil.
People advocate…….. for things they care about and against things they don’t care for. Most people involved in civic/civil activism have jobs, families and volunteer their time because they care.
Sopheee
June 28th, 2012
2:00 pm
BEACHY can be your FREDI.
Arkansas Transplant
June 28th, 2012
2:01 pm
Willingham isn’t an option unless we are willing to trade for him. And I still don’t see all that depth at pitching equating into qaulity rotation, look at all the problems we have now. And next year isn’t any different with the possibility that JJ won’t be offered arb, Beachy possibly not making it back at all next year, Hudson another year older and I doubt all of the physical issues gone, Hanson is what he is nothing more than a 2 or 3 starter and then you lump all of these together Delgado, Minor, Teheran and Medlen to which none of them have shown they are ready to lead a club. I just don’t see all of this quality everyone has faith in for next season, I see the quantity by not quality.
Ease
June 28th, 2012
2:02 pm
Murph, did you include the TOR game? I don’t he had given up a run yet before he was pulled, even though Livan went on a scoring binge after he came in…
George
June 28th, 2012
2:02 pm
Please no more MINOR, FREDI keeps throwing him out there to get beat up on. I really feel sorry for the kids mentail state, it may well ruin him , if all he really needs is more time in minors.
phil
June 28th, 2012
2:04 pm
Sopheee
June 28th, 2012
11:10 am
106 with our humidity is no picnic.
************
It’s a lot easier to handle, though, if one is IN SHAPE and prepared for it. That’s one of the big reasons I detest out of shape “athletes” who then whine and complain about the heat while cashing huge paychecks. I run in this crap all the time, and after a period of adjustment, which they all should have long since made by now, they will be fine IF they stay hydrated during the games and start getting well hydrated now in the days before it gets that hot.
I’m not saying it will be easy, but the conditions are the same for both teams and everyone out there. They can handle it IF they’re prepared and use good sense along the way.
Cue the whiners, apologists and excuse makers….
Ease
June 28th, 2012
2:05 pm
Why can’t BRANDON get a stronger ligamnet? Did FREDI not request one? He must have fallen asleep.
ncbravesfan90
June 28th, 2012
2:06 pm
Murph-
I would say he was pulled due to high pitch counts, due to his high walk numbers in the minors. I seriously doubt that he was pulled from those starts for no reason if he hadn’t gave up a run, it was due to high pitch counts due to walks.
Ease
June 28th, 2012
2:06 pm
Willingham isn’t an option unless we are willing to trade for him.
Wow.
Profound.
Ease
June 28th, 2012
2:08 pm
George, you need to worry more about your mentail state. Men your age usually don’t get enough fiber.
Murph
June 28th, 2012
2:12 pm
Teheran minor league game log: http://www.fangraphs.com/statsd.aspx?playerid=6797&position=P&type=-1&gds=&gde=&season=
He had higher than normal walk totals in some, and some with zero walks, and others with average numbers…
The thing that sticks out to me is not only his walk totals, but his high number of HBP. Knowing that he was sent to AAA with instructions to work on specific pitches, it doesn’t surprise me that he’s walking guys or hitting guys as he works to gain control of his breaking stuff.
I’m sure if Teheran went to AAA and worked as he did last season, feeding off his fastball, that his numbers would be better.
Personally I’m not concerned about his stats. He’s working on stuff, not showcasing stuff. And that low pitch count will come in handy come September.
ncbravesfan90
June 28th, 2012
2:14 pm
Teheran will be a superstar I’m sure, but it just doesn’t seem like he is ready for the big leagues right now. You just can’t throw in another question mark into the rotation that is filled with question marks already. Not in a playoff race, if you’re out of contention yes, but not in a playoff push.
phil
June 28th, 2012
2:14 pm
I know, Bat, but who in their right mind (assuming such a thing exists) uses up a valuable day of leave to go protest at the US Supreme Court where it literally serves no purpose?
Thus the reason I suspect most of these folks don’t hold day jobs….maybe night, which is actually quite possible.
Efrim
June 28th, 2012
2:18 pm
How do we even know what Teheran’s orders were at the minor league level? Maybe the big club told him to go down there and work on his breaking ball?
Shelby Miller was just told not to ever shake off the catcher because they thought he wasn’t using his breaking ball enough and he was just trying to blow his fastball by hitters. We have no idea what Teheran could be working on now in his 2nd year at the level.
ncscoots
June 28th, 2012
2:21 pm
You just can’t throw in another question mark into the rotation that is filled with question marks already.
At worst, you’d be replacing one question mark with another, not adding on. At best, you get the guy who has been one of the top-ranked pitching prospects of the last couple of years and who has refined his breaking ball and command during a seasoning stint in the minors.
The thing that he hasn’t done, probably, is show that he can consistently take the work he’s been doing into games. Otherwise, he’d probably have been up before now. In any event, I’d have no problem with Teheran taking the 4th or 5th slot, if Delgado or Minor keep going nuke.
Frankie Wren
June 28th, 2012
2:24 pm
Bench help, go get Kotsay. He would look good in a Braves uniform again and a big help.
Efrim
June 28th, 2012
2:26 pm
If the score holds up and the Phillies lose, they will have fallen 12 games back from the Nationals in the loss column.
ncbravesfan90
June 28th, 2012
2:27 pm
ncscoots-
The thing is, that’s exactly what the rotation needs, is someone who can go 7 innings on a nightly basis and Teheran hasn’t been able to go 5 innings on a nightly basis. But i agree with you, until he can show that he is able to take the ball deep, he will not be up this season.
Efrim
June 28th, 2012
2:27 pm
He would look good in a Braves uniform again and a big help.
And Jamie would look nice rooting her husband on.
Go Jamie Kotsay. Go Braves.
Efrim
June 28th, 2012
2:29 pm
is someone who can go 7 innings on a nightly basis
There just can’t be that many starters in baseball who average 7 innings a start. Just can’t be.
cricket
June 28th, 2012
2:29 pm
We have no idea what Teheran could be working on now in his 2nd year at the level.
pitching and bunting
ncbravesfan90
June 28th, 2012
2:31 pm
“There just can’t be that many starters in baseball who average 7 innings a start. Just can’t be.”
Okay okay..just at least someone who can go 5 innings on a nightly basis…haha
Ease
June 28th, 2012
2:31 pm
Fake to third and throw over to first.
cricket
June 28th, 2012
2:32 pm
You just can’t throw in another question mark into the rotation that is filled with question marks already.
At worst, you’d be replacing one question mark with another, not adding on.
that’s why COL is going with 4 man rotation, 1 less question mark..
Ease
June 28th, 2012
2:32 pm
Girl, You’ll be A Woman Soon
Arkansas Transplant
June 28th, 2012
2:33 pm
Why can’t BRANDON get a stronger ligamnet?
Sure, whatever it is.. I’m for it.
Bat Masterson
June 28th, 2012
2:34 pm
I know, Bat, but who in their right mind (assuming such a thing exists) uses up a valuable day of leave to go protest at the US Supreme Court where it literally serves no purpose? _ phil
gettingontvsluts?
Arkansas Transplant
June 28th, 2012
2:35 pm
George, you need to worry more about your mentail state
George, you have a man tail? Is it like the one Costanza had on Shallow Hal?
Ease
June 28th, 2012
2:37 pm
¿