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TheOnlyBravesFan
June 27th, 2012
11:35 pm
CTB: Hanson was on his way to being an ace before the torn labrum. He’s still a good #2-3. Don’t get why you’re so pizzed at him
Frankie Wren
June 27th, 2012
11:36 pm
CTB, well played Sir
usnavyvolfaninva
June 27th, 2012
11:38 pm
usnavyvolfaninva
June 27th, 2012
11:38 pm
usnavyvolfaninva
June 27th, 2012
11:39 pm
tiger297
June 27th, 2012
11:41 pm
nolie – well you got your kinda game for the first 7 innings and I got mine for the last 2 but at the end of it we were both smiling
usnavyvolfaninva
June 27th, 2012
11:41 pm
Dude, catching up with the 21st Century is so much fun!
The A Bomb
June 27th, 2012
11:46 pm
WASHINGTON 11 COLORADO 5 FINAL
ChattTownBrian
June 27th, 2012
11:47 pm
Guys, I like Hanson as a pitcher. Just get a snotty vibe from him in interviews or something.
Venice Jim
June 27th, 2012
11:47 pm
Very depressing to see that Utley’s return home run propelled the Phillies to a huge win…
Venice Jim
June 27th, 2012
11:48 pm
Oh, wait, I just figured…
tiger297
June 27th, 2012
11:52 pm
holy crap was ease pitching for the cubs tonight?
cabravesfan
June 27th, 2012
11:52 pm
tiger-
no, a guy that played football at Notre Dame was…that should explain a lot
tiger297
June 27th, 2012
11:53 pm
thats even better…
cabravesfan
June 28th, 2012
12:07 am
calling it a night…bye blog!
tiger297
June 28th, 2012
12:08 am
when its sleepy time down south…
Venice Jim
June 28th, 2012
12:15 am
I would say good night, but there’s no way I hit the Top 25, so no point in it…
CaptainMudd
June 28th, 2012
12:17 am
How about a discussion on that rare coin find overseas?
CaptainMudd
June 28th, 2012
12:25 am
Brandon Beachy….in a way [outside of MLB] has it made; he’s in an arm sling and this bodes well when you’re out trying to meet chicks….of course overall looks still count—but, hey they find that kind of thing non-threatening. You just kind of stand out in the crowd in a nice way. She finds you sexy cause she know there will be no ‘rough’ intimacy and, for the most part she’ll set the tempo–the correct tempo and, justifiably the delightful coda.
Trey
June 28th, 2012
1:06 am
Damn college kids can’t be quiet. Ya ask ‘em to quiet down and those folks still know how to keep ya up. Anyway, wonderful Braves win today.
looky here freddy
June 28th, 2012
1:18 am
cf Michael Bourn .309 .353 .445
lf Martin Prado .317 .378 .459
rf Jason Heyward .282 .354 .520
3b Chipper Jones .290 .366 .455
1b Freddie Freeman .258 .304 .438
2b Dan Uggla .238 .366 .418
c Brian McCann .234 .305 .396
SS Andrelton Simmons .325 .361 .494
Ward
June 28th, 2012
1:43 am
Hello everyone ! Good, good win…….Marlins are going to shop Hanely…….. Should the Braves look into it? Hanely can play 3rd.
DS1
June 28th, 2012
1:46 am
So we got Jack Bauer going tomorrow night, eh? Rookies suck. So we should be able to put a serious hurtin on this kid. He walks a lot of batters, so our guys should be real patient with him.
No worries, since we have our “ace” Jurrjens going.
At least he isn’t a snob in interviews. Is he?
(CTB, who really gives a ratz azz if he doesn’t say what you want him to in an interview, so long as he wins baby!)
DS1
June 28th, 2012
1:47 am
Hanley is a frickin pre-madonna Ward. Steer clear of that guy, he’ll never be worth the $$ or prospects.
DS1
June 28th, 2012
1:49 am
Plus he probably wants to play SS, and we have the best young one in the business.
Ward
June 28th, 2012
1:52 am
Hanley does have speed, and can hit the long ball, and I bet he would stay at 3rd.
DS1
June 28th, 2012
1:55 am
Hanley is a cancer to a clubhouse Ward. Hell no on Hanley. Plus he has a very negative history with Fredi.
No way, no how.
Ward
June 28th, 2012
2:09 am
Call me crazy, but I would take a chance. Hanely can hit, and that’s what the Braves need.
nolie
June 28th, 2012
2:10 am
ok, you’re crazy….
nolie
June 28th, 2012
2:15 am
we need pitching, but they are unlikely to bring in a sure thing, more likely a retread like Liriano or some such
DS1
June 28th, 2012
2:15 am
Hanley’s been on a steady decline for 2-3 years now. And he doesn’t really steal many bases (though I am not big on SB’s). And he is average at best at SS.
And I’ll guarantee he’ll want to move back to SS for his fragile ego.
Dream up another third baseman Ward, like maybe Marteen Prado?
Ward
June 28th, 2012
2:17 am
I’ll make a case for Hanley why? Batting average .260 11 HR, 41RBI 10 SB
OBP. .335, SLG .443, OPS .778. He would be in the Braves budget. I think he would fit in well. Good solid player.
Ward
June 28th, 2012
2:18 am
Then Braves could keep Prado at LF. Don’t care about past issues, as long as he can play, and Hanley can play.
Ward
June 28th, 2012
2:22 am
I think Braves should give Hanley a look. He’s a ball player, and that’s what I like ball players that can play.
nolie
June 28th, 2012
2:28 am
pass on hanley, numbers are down since last season and he’s a real pita
nolie
June 28th, 2012
2:29 am
most ballplayers can play, or they wouldn’t be ballplayers…they’d be garbage men or some such….
DS1
June 28th, 2012
2:31 am
Hanley has a 6 year, 70 million contract that goes through 2014. that’s about 11-12 million per year to hit what? 260/335/443. OPS’ing less than .800 for over 10 million per year?
Now he might get his head straight and become a hitter again, but he is a shadow of his former self right now. And has been for the past few years.
Affordable? Hell, I’d rather have Willingham any day of the week and twice on Sundays!
Hanley is a damned cancer. He is not a gamer. Uggla had serious issues with him when they played together, due to his being such a pre madonna.
Move along to another player Ward. Hanley is NOT a very good baseball player. And certainly not worth the money or the prospects it would take to get him. Let his sorry ass rot in Miami with Ozzie.
Ward
June 28th, 2012
2:31 am
I would take a chance, and leave it at that. Depends on how you see it nolie. Hanleys a gamer, and I would take a chance.
Ward
June 28th, 2012
2:32 am
DS1 – Don’t be an ass……. I’m titled to metion who I think is good too.
Ward
June 28th, 2012
2:33 am
I mentioned him, because I think Hanley is good.
Ward
June 28th, 2012
2:38 am
Another player that’s on my list. Will be interesting to see what Wren does?
nolie
June 28th, 2012
2:41 am
he is not a gamer, he has gotten in trouble several times for not hustling. and his salary is 15m,15m,16m. pizz on him
Ward
June 28th, 2012
2:42 am
nolie – Not here to argue. I’m thinking he still wouldn’t be a bad idea….
nolie
June 28th, 2012
2:44 am
I can guarantee you that they are not gonna pay Hanley 36mil for someone that loafs regularly and has an attitude. that ain’t the Braves way
DS1
June 28th, 2012
2:46 am
I am damned good at being an ass Ward. But maybe you shouldn’t be so damned gullable.
You have your opinion. I give you that. If you don’t want to take my word for it, listen to nolie. He’s forgotten more about baseball than most of the rest of us have ever known put together.
nolie
June 28th, 2012
2:49 am
I gotta stop arguing with ward, BAS will ream me a new one for that……
nolie
June 28th, 2012
2:50 am
night ward, night DS1. y’all have a goodun
Ward
June 28th, 2012
2:50 am
Not gullable, and no one should be called gullable just by not agreeing with you. I have my views, and will stand by them. I give players chances, and he wouldn’t be a bad idea. So I’ll leave it at that.
DS1
June 28th, 2012
2:50 am
If the team keeps hitting for the next month or so, I wouldn’t expect us to go out and get another big bat.
I think they are in evaluate mode for the next few weeks. But then again, who knows? Only Frank Wren knows. And he is tied to the team budget.
Gonna head off to bed guys. Later.
Bo Graves!
Ward
June 28th, 2012
2:50 am
nolie – Be cool……
Ward
June 28th, 2012
2:51 am
DS1 – Have a good one! Peace……
DS1
June 28th, 2012
2:56 am
Not meaning to give you a hard time Ward, but you need to understand the way Frank Wren thinks. If you understood FW, you’d know that Hanley Ramirez is not the type of player the Braves generally go after. High salary. Attitude. Decreasing skill set.
It just doesn’t add up. That doesn’t mean Hanley is not a decent talent. But look at the players the Braves have and the ones they have gotten rid of. No more Escobar. Head case. Uggla is our type of guy. Hustles all the time. Team player. Bourn is a hard nosed player too.
Hanley is not their type.
So if you want to come up with trade scenarios, maybe you should think like the Braves do, and not go off on tangents on players that we know are NOT the Braves type of player.
And just because you or I want a particular type of player, doesn’t mean the Braves will go after that player.
I’m done………
Later Ward.
Ward
June 28th, 2012
3:00 am
Here are my top to do list to trade for -
1. Garza
2. Greinke
3. Dempster
Hitters
1. Josh Willingham
2. Carlos Quentin
3. Hanley Rameriz
Another idea would be to try out Brad Lidge. He wouldn’t be a bad idea for bull – pen.
Just some ideas that I would like Wren to try. Also like to see him make two trades. All, have a good one! Your all cool, and Peace my friends…..”Go!!!!!Braves!!!!!”
nolie
June 28th, 2012
3:05 am
Liriano Trade Value ESPN Insider
Francisco Liriano has thrown a no-hitter, been an All-Star and during the 2006 season had one of the most dominant three months of starts in the past decade. He’s pitched in two postseasons and averaged a strikeout per inning in his career.
But Liriano scares a lot of evaluators — probably even some with the Minnesota Twins, the team that has benefited from his peaks after making him part of their trade of A.J. Pierzynski years ago. Liriano struggled so badly earlier this year that he was sent to the Minnesota bullpen.
In his past six starts, however, the left-hander again has demonstrated how good he can be, striking out 40 in 37.1 innings with an ERA in the Justin Verlander range.
All of this makes him an intriguing figure in the last weeks before the trade deadline. He is eligible for free agency in the fall, the Twins are not going to the playoffs and are in a position to be sellers, and they presumably will market Liriano.
But for potential buyers: How attractive is Liriano?
At his best, he can shut down a lineup, and at his worst, he can be a complete enigma. It’s possible that another team could trade a prospect for Liriano and he could be a difference-maker — and it’s also possible, based on his history, that Liriano could really struggle with a new team.
So how do some evaluators view his value? How would he compare to someone like, say, Matt Garza? I posed that question to three evaluators, and here are their responses:
Evaluator No. 1, from an NL team: “He is very risky to me as a starting pitcher. I wouldn’t have interest — if you are going to trade prospects, you need certainty that the player you are getting is an upgrade, and Liriano’s inconsistency creates uncertainty. Simply put, there will be better alternatives on the market.
“However, I think he has excellent value — if he were up for it — as a shutdown situational left-handed reliever. This year, left-handed hitters are 9-for-58 (.155 AVG/.436 OPS) with six walks versus 22 strikeouts He’s somebody who could go multiple innings if needed, too, since he has history as a starter.
“Regardless of the team control situation for me, Garza is in a different stratosphere. He’s a middle-top rotation starter who has been consistent and performed, whereas Liriano is a major risk on so many levels and really hasn’t had any success as a starting pitcher for any extended period of time (more than 15 starts) except for 2010.”
Evaluator No. 2, from an AL team (who likes Garza more as a target): “I’d say that even though Garza is the more expensive option in terms of salary — to an extent he’s more reliable, and specifically since he’s shown what he can do in the past in the AL East. Plus, you have 2013 with Garza, and Liriano is a free agent after this season. So if you’re going to give up more value for either pitcher, it will likely be Garza, especially considering what [the Cubs] gave to Tampa.
“However, despite Garza being the more reliable option in theory, the risk seems really limited with Liriano considering your committment is less than a year. Because of the inconsistent performance, you’d have to think he’d bring significantly less than Garza in a trade, unless he can pitch this way straight through the deadline and continue to build value.
“So, the upside for the rest of 2012 seems to be comparable, but considering the potential acquisition cost, it seems like Liriano is the lower-risk guy to go with, particularly if he can keep this up. I still think [Theo] Epstein asks for more for that extra year of control for Garza than Liriano would bring in return for the next three months. But again, if Liriano keeps this up, he’d seem to have as many suitors as Garza, considering financial commitment and potential reward.”
Evaluator No. 3, from AL team: “Liriano is a risk, with some reward. He was someone the Twins would have let go for sure a couple of weeks ago. Garza has much less risk and much more value. I think the Twins really don’t want Liriano back unless he really goes off the rest of the year. Garza has many more suitors, and the Cubs are happy to have him back.”
Ease
June 28th, 2012
6:39 am
Just livin’ the dream.
jeffrey d
June 28th, 2012
7:19 am
I need to quit starting Arizona pitchers against the Braves on my fantasy team…2 nights in a row!
I’ll take it though
jeffrey d
June 28th, 2012
7:20 am
Because you know if I’d benched them that the Braves would be coming off back-to-back no hitters.
So you’re welcome.
Ease
June 28th, 2012
7:22 am
Ha! I sat Hudson the other night, glad I did…
jeffrey d
June 28th, 2012
7:23 am
But I have both Hudsons.
Unless you’re cheating on us with another league??
Ease
June 28th, 2012
7:25 am
Of course I sat Chipper last night…
Ease
June 28th, 2012
7:26 am
I play in the other blog league.
Ease
June 28th, 2012
7:30 am
Tonight there’s going to be a jailbreak.
jeffrey d
June 28th, 2012
7:36 am
Literal?
Ease
June 28th, 2012
7:37 am
However, I think he has excellent value — if he were up for it — as a shutdown situational left-handed reliever.
I find this to be really intriguing, considering Venter’s troubles this year…
Ease
June 28th, 2012
7:38 am
Thin Lizzy.
Ease
June 28th, 2012
7:40 am
But on the literal, our big boned catcher had some nice swings last night. Maybe it’s time.
You know, to break out of the jail created in his own mind.
Ease
June 28th, 2012
7:43 am
Its refreshing to see so much positivity on the blog this morning. About time.
Ease
June 28th, 2012
7:46 am
On the downside, the blog spell-check doesn’t like my spelling of positivity, whereas Outlook likes it just fine. So I will just remain positive and leave it at that.
jeffrey d
June 28th, 2012
7:46 am
You know, to break out of the jail created in his own mind.
That’s still not literal…
Ease
June 28th, 2012
7:49 am
Go Braves!
Ease
June 28th, 2012
7:51 am
Can be…A jail does not have to be a physical building of iron bars that holds law breakers.
jeffrey d
June 28th, 2012
7:54 am
The jail of the mind is metaphorical, not literal
Ease
June 28th, 2012
7:55 am
Ok, not literal, in the exact literal sense.
jail – (1) – A place of the confinement…(and some other wording that disproves my point)
CB
June 28th, 2012
7:56 am
Wow, you guys with the philosophy this morning.
jeffrey d
June 28th, 2012
7:57 am
That’s right. I made an A in Psychology 1101.
Of course, this isn’t really what we talked about though.
Lew
June 28th, 2012
7:57 am
jeffrey d – I would imagine that the mind’s jail is quite literal to some.
Lew
June 28th, 2012
7:58 am
Psych 1101? Post, post, post, post Graduate?
Ease
June 28th, 2012
7:58 am
Metaphorical, yes I like that better. I was going with literary…
But truthfully, all it was was lyrics to a song…
CB
June 28th, 2012
7:58 am
2nd major was psychology,needed it to figure this place out.
Ease
June 28th, 2012
7:58 am
Literally lyrics to a song I was listening too.
Ha! I win.
jeffrey d
June 28th, 2012
7:59 am
The intro classes at UGA were 1101. Upper level were 3000-4000. Grad school was 5000+
jeffrey d
June 28th, 2012
8:01 am
Post, post, post, post Graduate?
haha, just bachelor’s for me. Although I wish I would’ve sucked it up and stayed 2 more years for a Master’s….holy cow that pay gap is huge.
Ease
June 28th, 2012
8:02 am
A blind psychologist…I can see that.
jeffrey d
June 28th, 2012
8:03 am
2 A’s in Psych 1101 and 2000 something. I think I know a little bit about psychology, Mr. Squirrel
Ease
June 28th, 2012
8:04 am
No joke…If I hadn’t played baseball my first four years, then went to school for my degree, I probably could have bought Petrino’s house by now.
Lew
June 28th, 2012
8:05 am
If that’s how they numbered courses at UGA, it sure changed from when I was there – 500 level courses were Graduate courses.
CB
June 28th, 2012
8:05 am
There is not enough psych courses in the world to figure you two out. Ha!
Braves Fan in Maine
June 28th, 2012
8:06 am
any young pitchers that I would be willing to see go is minor and tehren? Keep the rest delgado has a bright future but minor I am ready to say bye bye
Ease
June 28th, 2012
8:07 am
I got an A in Psych 101.
But largely in part because the class was 90% baseball players and we would bring the professor some pretty nice cigars for letting us out of class early to actual attend practices and games.
Ease
June 28th, 2012
8:08 am
It looks like someone did not do so well in English 101, though.
gwinnet fan
June 28th, 2012
8:13 am
lol Ease…. Good morning all
Lew
June 28th, 2012
8:14 am
Teheran is not going to be traded.
TheOnlyBravesFan
June 28th, 2012
8:15 am
He didn’t go to FSU that’s for sure
Ease
June 28th, 2012
8:18 am
No, he is going to be bartered.
Ease
June 28th, 2012
8:25 am
I didn’t think Teheran went to FSU either.
TheOnlyBravesFan
June 28th, 2012
8:27 am
Ease: I was responding to your 8:08
jeffrey d
June 28th, 2012
8:28 am
And if I hadn’t been busy being a fighter pilot ace and winning a Nobel prize in Asian Litiriture, I could’ve bought Queen Elizabeth’s castle by now.
Ease
June 28th, 2012
8:31 am
Didn’t know it was for sale.
jeffrey d
June 28th, 2012
8:31 am
I also played football under the pseudonym David Pollack.
TheOnlyBravesFan
June 28th, 2012
8:36 am
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