Mike Minor is garbage. He talked the talk in Spring Training saying “If they (the Braves) didnt think he was good enough then he should be traded.” By all means please go throw batting practice for another team……
The goofy name calling of players and coaches…etc cracks me up, but not in a good way. in a “are they really letting 12 yr olds post on here?” kinda way.
if you were thinking ahead, do you think Headley at 3rd, Prado at LF has more value than Willingham in LF Prado at 3rd?
I tend to think the former because of defense. headley is a great 3rd base defender and Prado is one of the best in LF. Willingham might outhit Headley, but his glove is poor, like really crap out in LF. He loses much of his offensive value in poor range
Lynchburg RHP J.R. Graham with a solid night: 5 IP, 6 hits, 2 ER, 0 BB’s, 3 K’s(8 groundouts). Kid generates a lot of ground balls and doesn’t really walk anyone. Be interested to see if he can miss more bats given his fastball velocity. Needs to improve his breaking ball and changeup, I’d guess.
I bet a rotation of a knuckler, 3 junk ballers (like eephus pitchers, screwballer and a sinkerballer) followed by a lightning 96+ mph fire baller would ruin opposing team’s offense for weeks
see, i get the odd nickname when someone is a little hot after a loss or a dumb play, it’s when people KEEP USING IT like Rafeal and the Liberty Cheapia thing. he could be telling me how I could alter my engin to run on tap water, but once I see LIBERTY CHEAPIA there, I glaze over and my scroll finger works automatically
I tend to think the former because of defense. headley is a great 3rd base defender and Prado is one of the best in LF. Willingham might outhit Headley, but his glove is poor, like really crap out in LF. He loses much of his offensive value in poor range
Nick B — That does make sense but I really like Prado at third. I can take or leave Willingham.
Prado has gotten better in LF, so if you have Headley at third with Matin in LF I can live with it.
Good debate that can go back and forth. I would not kick if the Braves traded for Headley but do not want to give up a Lipka or Teheran, not a top tiered prospect.
Would want to part with Minor and something else, previously said Minor and Pastornicky.
Minor will not be traded unless it involves a pitcher – either an upgrade at starter or a trade that has a position player plus a reliever. he will no go to San Diego for Headley unless we are getting an 8th inning guy as well
Rome LHP Alex Wood made his debut tonight: 2 IP, 2 hits, 0 ER, 0 BB’s and 4 K’s.
Good start. That weird “step” working so far
if you were thinking ahead, do you think Headley at 3rd, Prado at LF has more value than Willingham in LF Prado at 3rd?
I’d think the first has more value, but there has to be another LF who can defend well and hit with the bat. If they do get Headley, I’d be okay. I would just like to see Prado get a chance at 3B.
Though I have to say, I would really like Willingham here. Cheaper to acquire, and plays LF which allows Prado to play 3rd. Besides, he can’t be that bad defensively…..
I don’t like the WAR stat but I do like good defense and not giving the opposing team 4 outs.
I like outstanding defensive plays that in a sense give the opponent 2 outs.
I mean good D at all positions. Even the bench guys. I value a Jack Wilson more than most do on this blog.
Bad defense clearly cost us two playoff series the 2001 series vs the Diamondbacks and that ‘10 series vs the Giants. Kick the can Brooks Conrad cost us late that yr, we almost blew the WC spot that yr.
Scatological references get on my nerves. Not necessarily the occasional ones but the incessantly repetitive ones. Mind-numbingly boring. Expand the repertoire of insults.
hmm, well are there any LFers that are good defensively that can still hit for a decent avg. and provide some pop? otherwise it might be best to keep Prado in LF….
Uggla has a positive UZR this year for the first time in awhile, gained a lot since Simmons got here, perhaps not having to sweat moving to his right as much has mellowed him out
But, to give Uggla a little bit of credit, he had a positive UZR and range factor away from Miami before, but in that park on that terrible field he was really having a tough time
you think the Mets re-sign Wright? Man I’d love to plug him in to replace Chipper and leave Prado in lF. Even IF that meant going a little cheap in CF.
Willingham’s 33 and has a history of health issues. He’s having a great year but is bound to decline… maybe this year, maybe next… who knows?
I think a solid defensive 3B who’s in his prime, is a very good hitter (look at his splits outside Petco) is exactly what this team needs for the next couple of years, and then let him walk when Salcedo is ready to take over (I know, I know… don’t mean to start that whole debate over again).
As to nicknames, I always got a kick out of the unimaginative use of “Uggly” for Uggla. Always imagined that one or two schoolboys – probably only one or two – made that mistake back in the day, and paid for it with a “His Name is Dan Uggla Knuckle Sandwich.”
Funny you guys are still talking about trades to make this team better, when the biggest “move” should still be firing the idiot who continues to bat Heyward low in the order while McCann and Uggla “do their thing” in the 3 and 4 holes.
Still haven’t watched an inning in over a week. simply don’t care. But do read the blog everyday and check box-scores.
Guy is on a tear and wins NL player of the week….. YUP. Wouldn’t want to take a chance that he might get one more AB per game batting him 3rd or even 4th.
Guys don’t get better from 33 to 34 (without PEDs). And Gonzalez doesn’t need another one of his godsons here. Besides, if Willingham was so good, wouldn’t he still be with the Marlins? Or the Nats? Or the A’s?
Same concept as Garza. If these guys were so good why did their teams give up on them? Because while they might hit a few homers or pitch an occasional no-hitter, they’ve never won crapola.
Sort of getting close to where Edward Salcedo needs to start hitting. Like, right now. Doesn’t really help that he doesn’t have a good steal percentage and makes a ton of errors at 3rd base…..
If somebody thinks that trading for Josh Willingham is the “move” to put this team over the top, that’s absolutely comedy at it’s finest.
Headley on the other hand? Probably still not enough to make a difference this year. But talk about a solid replacement for Chipper at 3B after this season? Get that guy out of Petco and good things will happen.
Is he worth Teheran? Hard to say. Depends on the corner you side in.
Was Wainwright worth one season of JD Drew?
I’m a guy who likes good young pitching, even if it’s unproven. But I almost think Teheran for Headley is worth it.
Unfortunately, it would probably cost a lot more than Teheran since Headley’s salary isn’t that high.
So will it be Minor, Delgado, Teheran that will become the next Kyle Davies or Roman Colon?
It might well be one of them. That’s why you keep as many top pitching prospects as long as you can, and hope some of them blossom.
N8, I don’t think it would cost more than Teheran. The question would be, could Wren pry him away with less than Teheran. I doubt it… but I don’t think I’d trade Julio even though I’d love to have Headley. Tough call, really.
Disgusted, I definitely agree on Willingham (not even a question, in my mind); Headley, well, I could see it, but I’m not calling for it.
Thing is, we don’t know what inside scouting evaluations the Braves have on Julio… they might be more committed than ever to him, or their optimism may be waning some… I have no idea. If they still think he’s No. 1 material, I don’t think they’ll deal him, period.
If they do deal him, I’ll assume they’ve lost some confidence in him… I can’t really argue that since I don’t get to watch him pitch, and wouldn’t have the expertise to evaluate him if I did.
phil, thanks… it is getting real, real wet around here!
Prado is your third baseman of now and the future & the Braves cannot allow this guy to go.
Could be in LF if the Braves can trade for Headley. But the prospects for third stink so that is why they need to work something out with Marteen next yr before he hits FA in 2014.
nolie. I’m feeling OK. Just pretty much given up on this season. We’re not that far back in the standings, so that might be a little silly before the 4th of July. But this team doesn’t have the “feel” of a team capable of making a legit playoff run. Especially without Beachy.
And since Beachy should be back next year, (and in 2014 for sure), I’m not really willing to give up a bunch of young guns to make a run this year. Even if it is Chipper’s last stand.
Just rather let the kids play and go from there. Put them in situations or positions where Wren would like them to be down the road and see what happens.
Example….. Bat Heyward 3rd and find out for sure if he can be “the guy” in the middle of the order. Because clearly McCann and Uggla can’t. Uggla is actually fine 4th or 5th. But he’s not a 3-hole hitter.
But either is Mac. SOMEBODY has to step up.
Keep Minor and Delgado in the rotation and see what them and McDowell can figure out along the way.
Trade Jair for whatever the hell you can get for him.
Pitch Medlen every 5th day.
Basically go on a fact finding mission. Then with Lowe’s and Chipper’s money off the books after this year, Wren will know EXACTLY where he needs to spend the money.
But trading prospects for a guy like Willingham to make a run this year?
Silly at best.
Who knows? If Fredi lets somebody else make out the lineup card, this team might win a few games.
HInske should be cut loose. And if they fall out of contention (like say 10 games back by the deadline)…. move Bourn too. Dude is NOT signing with the Braves. Might as well sell high on somebody. Since clearly our GM’s haven’t been interested in that in the past with guys they could have moved.
Could they still win this division or the wild card? Absolutely.
No way in hell I would trade Teheran for Headley or Garza or Willingham. The kid has had 4 major league starts and folks want him outta here while Minor and to a much lesser extent, Delgado stink up the joint in the majors. Man, that’d make me so pleased with Polished if he 1) does poorly and 2) causes Wren to deal the best arm in the org. for a quick fix.
What I love is that people think Teheran has regressed due to his stats at the Triple-A level this year. BS, I say. He could go down there and blow his fastball/changeup combo by everyone, but they wanted him to work on the breaking ball is what I gather. Maybe I’m wrong on that, but it apparently looked a ton better vs. Toronto. Also, he’s a full year younger than Delgado – who is a baby at 22 years old himself.
How about we give Teheran an extended look before banishing him for the likes of Chase Headley…?
I’ve always been a J Will fan. Thought he’d be a nice fit for this team for the past few seasons. Dude wouldn’t cost much and he has always been able to hit the ball. Not a long term solution, but a solid addition.
I could live with Angel Pagan for CF next yr. Maybe bring in Spillbourgs who can play a corner outfield and center position and work him with a platoon with someone else.
That might be affordable. I would hate to see Bourn go, but hey, lets be real, we know what the ownership gives Mr. Wren to work with.
Or, do you think of Carlos Lee for one yr for LF.
They could trade for Quentin but I am not sure about him in the field.
That 3B may be too old to walk by the time SALCEDO arrives in ATLANTA Heh!. Dissapointment written all over SALCEDO. Makes me wonder about ingesting funny stuff down south as a teen-ager at this point. He needs to pick it up at the plate. His glove hasn’t shown much improvement in three years, or however long he’s been a BRAVE.
My larger point about Teheran is that we’ve waited so friggin long for this kid to come up, give him 4 major league spot starts and then ship him outta here because Polished couldn’t get the job done at the major league level? Teheran is more than 3 years younger than Minor and a full year younger than Delgado. I can’t imagine Wren trading Teheran right now – really can’t. I think it’d be foolish and go against everything that Wren has been about for so long…..
“No way in hell I would trade Teheran for Headley or Garza or Willingham. The kid has had 4 major league starts and folks want him outta here while Minor and to a much lesser extent, Delgado stink up the joint in the majors”
Perhaps you aren’t speaking directly to me. But don’t take me discussing what it might take to get a guy I’d love to have (Headley), as me saying that I actually WANT Teheran to go away.
Now THAT is silly. Just simply stating WHO I think it would take to pry Headley away from SD.
If we stick to the youth pitcher program, I can’t see the starters maturing sufficiently to be effective ML’ers much before 2014 season. I said this back in 2010 also.
But Teheran for Headley would NOT be the funniest trade the Braves have made in the past 10 years.
Not even close.
I think teams value prospects more now than they ever have. It’s changed, imo. Service time and prospects are valued differently now than they were 10 years ago.
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Memphis
June 25th, 2012
8:33 pm
Mike Minor is garbage. He talked the talk in Spring Training saying “If they (the Braves) didnt think he was good enough then he should be traded.” By all means please go throw batting practice for another team……
nolie
June 25th, 2012
8:57 pm
shame we can’t get all this Florida rain out to Colorado
nolie
June 25th, 2012
9:05 pm
I didn’t break the blog. t’weren’t me
Trader Jack
June 25th, 2012
9:07 pm
nolie
Have you finished building the ark yet?
phil
June 25th, 2012
9:11 pm
Fire Debby!!
NickB
June 25th, 2012
9:12 pm
The goofy name calling of players and coaches…etc cracks me up, but not in a good way. in a “are they really letting 12 yr olds post on here?” kinda way.
Efrim
June 25th, 2012
9:14 pm
Rome LHP Alex Wood made his debut tonight: 2 IP, 2 hits, 0 ER, 0 BB’s and 4 K’s.
Lew
June 25th, 2012
9:14 pm
NickB – Exactly.
NickB
June 25th, 2012
9:15 pm
if you were thinking ahead, do you think Headley at 3rd, Prado at LF has more value than Willingham in LF Prado at 3rd?
I tend to think the former because of defense. headley is a great 3rd base defender and Prado is one of the best in LF. Willingham might outhit Headley, but his glove is poor, like really crap out in LF. He loses much of his offensive value in poor range
phil
June 25th, 2012
9:15 pm
McOut….
McFat…
Wayward…
Fat Freddie…
Flabsisco…
Uggly…pastoricky…
NickB
June 25th, 2012
9:16 pm
I’m in one of those moods where I wish I coul smoke a bunch of weed and go play Texas Hold Em with some rich guy’s money
NickB
June 25th, 2012
9:17 pm
phil
and the alll time lamest
Liberty Cheapia
it’s effin goofy
Lew
June 25th, 2012
9:17 pm
No sense trying to talk to the children, apparently.
Efrim
June 25th, 2012
9:18 pm
Lynchburg RHP J.R. Graham with a solid night: 5 IP, 6 hits, 2 ER, 0 BB’s, 3 K’s(8 groundouts). Kid generates a lot of ground balls and doesn’t really walk anyone. Be interested to see if he can miss more bats given his fastball velocity. Needs to improve his breaking ball and changeup, I’d guess.
phil
June 25th, 2012
9:19 pm
Lol at cheapia….it is pretty bad.
I have to admit that i like my nicknames sometimes, but i appreciate that some do not.
NickB
June 25th, 2012
9:19 pm
I bet a rotation of a knuckler, 3 junk ballers (like eephus pitchers, screwballer and a sinkerballer) followed by a lightning 96+ mph fire baller would ruin opposing team’s offense for weeks
NickB
June 25th, 2012
9:21 pm
see, i get the odd nickname when someone is a little hot after a loss or a dumb play, it’s when people KEEP USING IT like Rafeal and the Liberty Cheapia thing. he could be telling me how I could alter my engin to run on tap water, but once I see LIBERTY CHEAPIA there, I glaze over and my scroll finger works automatically
richbrave
June 25th, 2012
9:21 pm
DOWN ON THE FARM
MISSISSIPPI
Bandits are stormed and sunk 9-5 by the BARONS who recover the booty looted yesterday.
LHSP SEAN GILMARTIN [3.48 ERA] 5.0 IP, 8 H, 1 HR, 5 R/ER, 0 BB, 4 SO. SEAN is not yet dominating the AA competition as i hoped he would at this point.
Steady ‘Aussie ANDY’ RUSSELL [2.27 ERA] 1.1 IP, 1 H, zeros, 1 SO.
LHRP BRENT LEACH [L 0-1, 9.00 ERA] 1.0 IP, 3 H, 4 R, 2 ER, 1 BB. Ouchee-mama!
RHRP CORY RASMUS [3.38 ERA] 0.2 IP, perfect.
Lead-off RF KEENAN WILEY [.275 BA] 1-4, 1 R, 1 BB, 2 SO.
DH PHILLIP GOSSELIN [.261 BA] 2-5, 1 R, 1 2B [17].
3B JOE TERDO [.364 BA] 2-4, 1 R, 2 2B [10], 1 BB, 2 E [5, both fielding].
LF TIM SMITH [.319 BA] 2-4, 2 R, 1 RBI [12].
CF TODD CUNNINGHAM [.323 BA] 2-4, 2 2B [14, 4 RBI [26].
1B IAN GAC [.247 BA] 1-4, 1 2B [21].
C MATTHEW KENNELLY [.218 BA] 1-3, 1 BB, 1 SO.
Plenty of power hitting in this game by the Bandits. But for the two LH’ers this would have been a ‘W’.
Disgusted
June 25th, 2012
9:22 pm
I tend to think the former because of defense. headley is a great 3rd base defender and Prado is one of the best in LF. Willingham might outhit Headley, but his glove is poor, like really crap out in LF. He loses much of his offensive value in poor range
Nick B — That does make sense but I really like Prado at third. I can take or leave Willingham.
Prado has gotten better in LF, so if you have Headley at third with Matin in LF I can live with it.
Good debate that can go back and forth. I would not kick if the Braves traded for Headley but do not want to give up a Lipka or Teheran, not a top tiered prospect.
Would want to part with Minor and something else, previously said Minor and Pastornicky.
Disgusted
June 25th, 2012
9:23 pm
Gilmartin is not that good. Average projection, sort of Minor II. Ouch.
phil
June 25th, 2012
9:23 pm
I sure don’t like Chumper and ripping on Chipper otherwise…
Disgusted
June 25th, 2012
9:24 pm
Lew is not going to like this but Liberty Media will NEVER be the people’s choice amoung most Braves fans.
And most of us will continue to bitch about this ownership. Too bad.
brian
June 25th, 2012
9:24 pm
Headley will cost much more than Willingham in prospects
brian
June 25th, 2012
9:26 pm
Minor will not be traded unless it involves a pitcher – either an upgrade at starter or a trade that has a position player plus a reliever. he will no go to San Diego for Headley unless we are getting an 8th inning guy as well
brian
June 25th, 2012
9:28 pm
the Braves rotation can be strong with Minor or Delgado in the rotation but both in rotation make it a weaker rotation
nolie
June 25th, 2012
9:29 pm
He loses much of his offensive value in poor range,,,Nick
Most? nah I don’t buy that no matter what WAR says
NickB
June 25th, 2012
9:31 pm
I didn’t say Most, I said much, lousy defense CAN mitigate some of offensive value.
TheOnlyBravesFan
June 25th, 2012
9:31 pm
Rome LHP Alex Wood made his debut tonight: 2 IP, 2 hits, 0 ER, 0 BB’s and 4 K’s.
Good start. That weird “step” working so far
if you were thinking ahead, do you think Headley at 3rd, Prado at LF has more value than Willingham in LF Prado at 3rd?
I’d think the first has more value, but there has to be another LF who can defend well and hit with the bat. If they do get Headley, I’d be okay. I would just like to see Prado get a chance at 3B.
nolie
June 25th, 2012
9:33 pm
not buying ‘much’ either. lf is where spazzes go to play
TheOnlyBravesFan
June 25th, 2012
9:34 pm
Though I have to say, I would really like Willingham here. Cheaper to acquire, and plays LF which allows Prado to play 3rd. Besides, he can’t be that bad defensively…..
Disgusted
June 25th, 2012
9:35 pm
I don’t like the WAR stat but I do like good defense and not giving the opposing team 4 outs.
I like outstanding defensive plays that in a sense give the opponent 2 outs.
I mean good D at all positions. Even the bench guys. I value a Jack Wilson more than most do on this blog.
Bad defense clearly cost us two playoff series the 2001 series vs the Diamondbacks and that ‘10 series vs the Giants. Kick the can Brooks Conrad cost us late that yr, we almost blew the WC spot that yr.
Want a team with complete players and athletes.
Bat Masterson
June 25th, 2012
9:35 pm
Scatological references get on my nerves. Not necessarily the occasional ones but the incessantly repetitive ones. Mind-numbingly boring. Expand the repertoire of insults.
NickB
June 25th, 2012
9:39 pm
Willingham’s defense as rated by UZR for 2011 –
of 17 LF’ers with at least 300 innings in LF Willingham was 15th with a -9.7 UZR
in baseball references defensive WAR (dWAR) he was worth – 0.9
he is pretty bad
nolie
June 25th, 2012
9:40 pm
mine too. only ignorant jackanapes talk like that…
nolie
June 25th, 2012
9:42 pm
yeah but i don’t care he is cheap and his bat makes up for it, much like uggly
TheOnlyBravesFan
June 25th, 2012
9:42 pm
hmm, well are there any LFers that are good defensively that can still hit for a decent avg. and provide some pop? otherwise it might be best to keep Prado in LF….
NickB
June 25th, 2012
9:43 pm
Uggla has a positive UZR this year for the first time in awhile, gained a lot since Simmons got here, perhaps not having to sweat moving to his right as much has mellowed him out
nolie
June 25th, 2012
9:43 pm
I like Prado better at third but its not a big deal with me either way. whatever delivers the best chance at adding a good bat
NickB
June 25th, 2012
9:44 pm
But, to give Uggla a little bit of credit, he had a positive UZR and range factor away from Miami before, but in that park on that terrible field he was really having a tough time
NickB
June 25th, 2012
9:45 pm
nolie
you think the Mets re-sign Wright? Man I’d love to plug him in to replace Chipper and leave Prado in lF. Even IF that meant going a little cheap in CF.
nolie
June 25th, 2012
9:45 pm
yeah even Bill James has uggs up in the middle of the pack this season, after years of being at the bottom.
nolie
June 25th, 2012
9:46 pm
I much prefer Uzi to UZR
phil
June 25th, 2012
9:47 pm
Words like scatological make me want to, well, consult the dictionary…
Disgusted
June 25th, 2012
9:48 pm
I doubt that Liberty will ante up the $$$$$$$$ for Wright.
Willingham is probably making too much $$$$$$$$$ for the Braves anyway. He is not worth 7 mil per yr.
brian
June 25th, 2012
9:48 pm
PRado will be the 3B. We can get and need to get a better bat for LF
nolie
June 25th, 2012
9:48 pm
yeah i think they will re-sign him
nolie
June 25th, 2012
9:49 pm
an 850 hitter not worth 7mil? you are living in some demented universe
phil
June 25th, 2012
9:50 pm
A positive UZR….
Whatever happened to mere avg, hrs, rbis? Wins, losses, era? Assists? Errors?
I miss those days…
richbrave
June 25th, 2012
9:50 pm
DOWN ON THE FARM
DANVILLE
Rookies scorch the KINGSPORT nine 10-2.
2012 19th round Lead-off 2B LEVI HYAMS [.200 BA] 1-5, 1 R, 1 HR [3], 4 RBI [11], 1 SO.
2012 6th round C JOSH ELANDER [.333 BA] 1-5, 1 R.
2009 DSL grad 3B CARLOS FRANCO [.375 BA] 2-3, 1 R, 2 BB, 1 SO.
2012 5th round RF BLAKE BROWN [.185 BA] 1-4, 1 R, 2 RBI [4], Hat trick. Better fix that hole in your swing rook.
2008 DSL grad 1B ARIS ALCANTARA [.333 BA] 1-3, 2 R, 1 RBI [5].
2008 DSL grad CF FELIX MARTE [.471 BA] 2-4, 2 R, 1 3B [1], 1 RBI [3], 2 SO, 1 Outfield Assist [2B].
2012 20th round SS ERIC GARCIA [.267 BA] 0-2, 1 R, 1 RBI [3], 1 SF.
2010 8th round LF KURT FLEMING [.286 BA] 1-4, 1 R.
2009 DSL grad EDUARDO CASTILLO [W 1-1, 7.84 ERA] 6.0 IP, 5 H, 2 R/ER, 0 BB, 4 SO. Good job.
2012 21st round JEREMY FITZGERALD [0.00 ERA] 2.0 IP, pristine, 4 SO. Nice.
2009 DSL grad ‘IGGY’ GERANIMO [5.40 ERA] 1.0 IP, perfect, 1 SO. Excellente’
MikeInFl
June 25th, 2012
9:51 pm
Willingham’s 33 and has a history of health issues. He’s having a great year but is bound to decline… maybe this year, maybe next… who knows?
I think a solid defensive 3B who’s in his prime, is a very good hitter (look at his splits outside Petco) is exactly what this team needs for the next couple of years, and then let him walk when Salcedo is ready to take over (I know, I know… don’t mean to start that whole debate over again).
As to nicknames, I always got a kick out of the unimaginative use of “Uggly” for Uggla. Always imagined that one or two schoolboys – probably only one or two – made that mistake back in the day, and paid for it with a “His Name is Dan Uggla Knuckle Sandwich.”
nolie
June 25th, 2012
9:52 pm
none of them count fer nuttin’ now days phil ya old f@rt
nolie
June 25th, 2012
9:53 pm
Salcedo?
phil
June 25th, 2012
9:53 pm
Mikeinwetfl….
Good point on Uggly…lol
phil
June 25th, 2012
9:54 pm
I like OBP of course and OPS i guess but at some point, enough….
TheOnlyBravesFan
June 25th, 2012
9:55 pm
salcedo! ha
nolie
June 25th, 2012
9:55 pm
uggly is an affectionate sobriquet,
Bat Masterson
June 25th, 2012
9:57 pm
Kind of funny but it seems to me the Braves hit pretty well at Petco.
phil
June 25th, 2012
9:57 pm
What does sobriety have to do with it?
nolie
June 25th, 2012
9:59 pm
nothing, though he likely hits better sober
N8
June 25th, 2012
9:59 pm
Funny you guys are still talking about trades to make this team better, when the biggest “move” should still be firing the idiot who continues to bat Heyward low in the order while McCann and Uggla “do their thing” in the 3 and 4 holes.
Still haven’t watched an inning in over a week. simply don’t care. But do read the blog everyday and check box-scores.
Guy is on a tear and wins NL player of the week….. YUP. Wouldn’t want to take a chance that he might get one more AB per game batting him 3rd or even 4th.
It’s as priceless as Fredi is clueless.
That is all.
The A Bomb
June 25th, 2012
10:00 pm
First Seth Smith.
Now Josh Willingham.
Guys don’t get better from 33 to 34 (without PEDs). And Gonzalez doesn’t need another one of his godsons here. Besides, if Willingham was so good, wouldn’t he still be with the Marlins? Or the Nats? Or the A’s?
Same concept as Garza. If these guys were so good why did their teams give up on them? Because while they might hit a few homers or pitch an occasional no-hitter, they’ve never won crapola.
This team needs players who know how to WIN.
nolie
June 25th, 2012
10:00 pm
that was kinda short N8. you feelin’ ok??
Changing Names Because I Can!
June 25th, 2012
10:01 pm
Roman Colon, remember that Braves “can’t miss” pitching prospect? Sent by KC to triple A today.
So will it be Minor, Delgado, Teheran that will become the next Kyle Davies or Roman Colon?
Efrim
June 25th, 2012
10:01 pm
Sort of getting close to where Edward Salcedo needs to start hitting. Like, right now. Doesn’t really help that he doesn’t have a good steal percentage and makes a ton of errors at 3rd base…..
phil
June 25th, 2012
10:02 pm
N8 coming in from the rain with a shot across the bow….
nolie
June 25th, 2012
10:02 pm
there is no comparison between Willingham and Smith
nolie
June 25th, 2012
10:04 pm
yeah DOB and I were saying that this spring Efrim. he needs to start showing some upside and some staying power
phil
June 25th, 2012
10:04 pm
I hate the can’t miss tag….as meaningless as a game winning RBI.
N8
June 25th, 2012
10:04 pm
As for the trade scenarios?
If somebody thinks that trading for Josh Willingham is the “move” to put this team over the top, that’s absolutely comedy at it’s finest.
Headley on the other hand? Probably still not enough to make a difference this year. But talk about a solid replacement for Chipper at 3B after this season? Get that guy out of Petco and good things will happen.
Is he worth Teheran? Hard to say. Depends on the corner you side in.
Was Wainwright worth one season of JD Drew?
I’m a guy who likes good young pitching, even if it’s unproven. But I almost think Teheran for Headley is worth it.
Unfortunately, it would probably cost a lot more than Teheran since Headley’s salary isn’t that high.
nolie
June 25th, 2012
10:06 pm
not sure what is so funny about a career 850 hitter getting paid like a 750 hitter
Disgusted
June 25th, 2012
10:06 pm
Salcedo should not even be in the discussion right now, he is not getting much better.
To date, he cannot do the job in A ball. Don’t expect him around the big club anytime soon.
nolie
June 25th, 2012
10:08 pm
the best thing that you can say about Salcedo is that he is still young
MikeInFl
June 25th, 2012
10:08 pm
So will it be Minor, Delgado, Teheran that will become the next Kyle Davies or Roman Colon?
It might well be one of them. That’s why you keep as many top pitching prospects as long as you can, and hope some of them blossom.
N8, I don’t think it would cost more than Teheran. The question would be, could Wren pry him away with less than Teheran. I doubt it… but I don’t think I’d trade Julio even though I’d love to have Headley. Tough call, really.
phil
June 25th, 2012
10:09 pm
I just saw a replay of a Joe Mather homer….
Shocker.
Efrim
June 25th, 2012
10:09 pm
Braves have so many 3rd base prospects: Terdoslavich, Leonard, Salcedo, Kubitza, Drury, Franco – but they are all sort of not that special.
Richie Shaffer? Of course not…
richbrave
June 25th, 2012
10:10 pm
DOWN ON THE FARM
GWINNETT
GREENVILLE taken for a DRIVE by the ROMANS and dumped in the WOOD 4-2. Nice pro start to ALEX WOOD’s career.
2012 2nd round LHSP ALEX WOOD [0.00 ERA] 2.0 IP, 2 H, zeros, 4 SO.
RHS/RP NAVARY MOORE [3.99 ERA] 3.0 IP, 2 H, 2 R/ER, 5 BB, 0 SO.
LHRP IAN THOMAS [W 1-0, 3.57 ERA] 2.2 IP, 3 H, zeros, 4 SO. Nice!
RHRP JOHN CORNELY [SV 5, 4.25 ERA] 1.1 IP, 1 H, zeros, 2 BB, 3 SO.
Lead-off CF TONY MUELLER [.275 BA] 1-4, 1 R, 1 SB [16].
2012 18th round 2B ROSS HEFFLEY [.308 BA]
DH KYLE KUBITZA [.249 BA] 1-3, 1 R, 1 3B [6], 2 RBI [36], 1 BB, 1 SO.
RF WIL SKINNER [.262 BA] 1-4, 1 CS [1].
3B BRANDON DRURY [.186 BA] 1-3, 1 RBI [22], 1 E [4, fielding].
phil
June 25th, 2012
10:11 pm
Stay dry and safe to the south…
Nite.
Disgusted
June 25th, 2012
10:11 pm
Mike in Fl — If it takes Teheran to make a deal for a Willingham or Headley I hope that Frank W says No Deal.
richbrave
June 25th, 2012
10:11 pm
ROME not GWINNETT dammit!
Efrim
June 25th, 2012
10:12 pm
nolie, was thinking the same thing. Still only 20 years old. But at some point, there needs to be some positive results.
Disgusted
June 25th, 2012
10:13 pm
I doubt that Willingham continues his production of the last yr and a half.
Not to mention the bad defense.
MikeInFl
June 25th, 2012
10:14 pm
Disgusted, I definitely agree on Willingham (not even a question, in my mind); Headley, well, I could see it, but I’m not calling for it.
Thing is, we don’t know what inside scouting evaluations the Braves have on Julio… they might be more committed than ever to him, or their optimism may be waning some… I have no idea. If they still think he’s No. 1 material, I don’t think they’ll deal him, period.
If they do deal him, I’ll assume they’ve lost some confidence in him… I can’t really argue that since I don’t get to watch him pitch, and wouldn’t have the expertise to evaluate him if I did.
phil, thanks… it is getting real, real wet around here!
Disgusted
June 25th, 2012
10:15 pm
Prado is your third baseman of now and the future & the Braves cannot allow this guy to go.
Could be in LF if the Braves can trade for Headley. But the prospects for third stink so that is why they need to work something out with Marteen next yr before he hits FA in 2014.
N8
June 25th, 2012
10:15 pm
nolie. I’m feeling OK. Just pretty much given up on this season. We’re not that far back in the standings, so that might be a little silly before the 4th of July. But this team doesn’t have the “feel” of a team capable of making a legit playoff run. Especially without Beachy.
And since Beachy should be back next year, (and in 2014 for sure), I’m not really willing to give up a bunch of young guns to make a run this year. Even if it is Chipper’s last stand.
Just rather let the kids play and go from there. Put them in situations or positions where Wren would like them to be down the road and see what happens.
Example….. Bat Heyward 3rd and find out for sure if he can be “the guy” in the middle of the order. Because clearly McCann and Uggla can’t. Uggla is actually fine 4th or 5th. But he’s not a 3-hole hitter.
But either is Mac. SOMEBODY has to step up.
Keep Minor and Delgado in the rotation and see what them and McDowell can figure out along the way.
Trade Jair for whatever the hell you can get for him.
Pitch Medlen every 5th day.
Basically go on a fact finding mission. Then with Lowe’s and Chipper’s money off the books after this year, Wren will know EXACTLY where he needs to spend the money.
But trading prospects for a guy like Willingham to make a run this year?
Silly at best.
Who knows? If Fredi lets somebody else make out the lineup card, this team might win a few games.
HInske should be cut loose. And if they fall out of contention (like say 10 games back by the deadline)…. move Bourn too. Dude is NOT signing with the Braves. Might as well sell high on somebody. Since clearly our GM’s haven’t been interested in that in the past with guys they could have moved.
Could they still win this division or the wild card? Absolutely.
Will they? Unlikely.
nolie
June 25th, 2012
10:15 pm
Teheran for Headley? Now that is funny
Efrim
June 25th, 2012
10:17 pm
No way in hell I would trade Teheran for Headley or Garza or Willingham. The kid has had 4 major league starts and folks want him outta here while Minor and to a much lesser extent, Delgado stink up the joint in the majors. Man, that’d make me so pleased with Polished if he 1) does poorly and 2) causes Wren to deal the best arm in the org. for a quick fix.
What I love is that people think Teheran has regressed due to his stats at the Triple-A level this year. BS, I say. He could go down there and blow his fastball/changeup combo by everyone, but they wanted him to work on the breaking ball is what I gather. Maybe I’m wrong on that, but it apparently looked a ton better vs. Toronto. Also, he’s a full year younger than Delgado – who is a baby at 22 years old himself.
How about we give Teheran an extended look before banishing him for the likes of Chase Headley…?
nolie
June 25th, 2012
10:18 pm
Willingham is a career 850 124OPS+ hitter. no reason in the world to think he he will not continue to do so another 2 years
Danga
June 25th, 2012
10:18 pm
I’ve always been a J Will fan. Thought he’d be a nice fit for this team for the past few seasons. Dude wouldn’t cost much and he has always been able to hit the ball. Not a long term solution, but a solid addition.
Disgusted
June 25th, 2012
10:19 pm
I could live with Angel Pagan for CF next yr. Maybe bring in Spillbourgs who can play a corner outfield and center position and work him with a platoon with someone else.
That might be affordable. I would hate to see Bourn go, but hey, lets be real, we know what the ownership gives Mr. Wren to work with.
Or, do you think of Carlos Lee for one yr for LF.
They could trade for Quentin but I am not sure about him in the field.
nolie
June 25th, 2012
10:19 pm
nop, not giving up Teheran for any of them guys
richbrave
June 25th, 2012
10:19 pm
MikeinFL:
That 3B may be too old to walk by the time SALCEDO arrives in ATLANTA Heh!. Dissapointment written all over SALCEDO. Makes me wonder about ingesting funny stuff down south as a teen-ager at this point. He needs to pick it up at the plate. His glove hasn’t shown much improvement in three years, or however long he’s been a BRAVE.
N8
June 25th, 2012
10:19 pm
So was Wainwright for Drew. Or the Tex package.
Didn’t stop our former GM (and future HOF GM) from pulling the trigger.
Not saying I’d for sure do it. Not even saying I’d really think about doing it (unless Headley agreed to an extention upon being traded)…..
But Teheran for Headley would NOT be the funniest trade the Braves have made in the past 10 years.
Not even close.
Efrim
June 25th, 2012
10:20 pm
My larger point about Teheran is that we’ve waited so friggin long for this kid to come up, give him 4 major league spot starts and then ship him outta here because Polished couldn’t get the job done at the major league level? Teheran is more than 3 years younger than Minor and a full year younger than Delgado. I can’t imagine Wren trading Teheran right now – really can’t. I think it’d be foolish and go against everything that Wren has been about for so long…..
N8
June 25th, 2012
10:21 pm
“No way in hell I would trade Teheran for Headley or Garza or Willingham. The kid has had 4 major league starts and folks want him outta here while Minor and to a much lesser extent, Delgado stink up the joint in the majors”
Perhaps you aren’t speaking directly to me. But don’t take me discussing what it might take to get a guy I’d love to have (Headley), as me saying that I actually WANT Teheran to go away.
Now THAT is silly. Just simply stating WHO I think it would take to pry Headley away from SD.
richbrave
June 25th, 2012
10:22 pm
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Danga
June 25th, 2012
10:22 pm
They could trade for Quentin but I am not sure about him in the field.
Quentin could sit on his arse in LF if he continued to hit like he has so far this season.
nolie
June 25th, 2012
10:22 pm
Spilbourgs has a 200 point spread between home and away. no thank you very much
richbrave
June 25th, 2012
10:24 pm
If we stick to the youth pitcher program, I can’t see the starters maturing sufficiently to be effective ML’ers much before 2014 season. I said this back in 2010 also.
Efrim
June 25th, 2012
10:24 pm
But Teheran for Headley would NOT be the funniest trade the Braves have made in the past 10 years.
Not even close.
I think teams value prospects more now than they ever have. It’s changed, imo. Service time and prospects are valued differently now than they were 10 years ago.
Danga
June 25th, 2012
10:25 pm
If we stick to the youth pitcher program
We don’t have a choice.