1:45 pm June 24, 2012, by David O'Brien
June 25th, 20128:47 am
Oh good. I was hoping that’d be at the top of a page…
If you count Tampa, the Braves went 8-10…But only if you count Tampa…
June 25th, 20128:50 am
Regretfully, and with mild reservation….I will now say: yes I like Uggla as a guy’s guy….he does hustle and he ‘walks’ with the league’s best…..albeit, he was more than gracious to us in the V.I.P. area/session on one pre-game visit. Good in the clubhouse…..wait…….this is not what we had in mind the former begets his production since coming on board—-26 mil? As a 4spot line-up guy; he is a disappointment to say the least and I base this not so much on his HR numbers but his viability in critical situations in game when runners are on base preceding him. This is a business and he is a ‘fan pleaser’ but is unreliable as a clean-up hitter. However, I luz yoo Dan!
jeffery d – That Uggla comment is based on this past weekend’s preformance, I’m sure.
Heck, some people make comments like that based on one at bat, or one inning pitched.
And why just Uggla? I’d say that in the last several weeks, the “over paid and non-productive” list could include Chipper, Freeman and McCann. Though over paid would not apply to FF.
June 25th, 20128:53 am
Here comes the sun
Funny how this whole season so far can be summed up by the article titles on the front page right now. Chipper aching…..needs rest (again). Young rotation pitcher blows up in the middle of the game yet again. Uggla on a cold streak……….blah blah blah. This team is going nowhere with Minor and Delgado both in the rotation right now. Besides, the rotation as a whole is just ugly right now. Aside from Hudson, the quadruplet of Hanson/Jurjjens/Minor/Delgado is just an unpredictable mess. Even when Hanson is “good” he only goes 5 or 6 innings.
June 25th, 20128:54 am
Either way, they’re .500 for the month, even with struggles from McCann and Uggla, and Freeman not 100%. Those struggles won’t continue. Maybe get a few wins before the calendar turns, and it could still be a pretty good record for a brutal stretch of the sked.
Braves Fan in Maine
June 25th, 20128:58 am
A common mother for the four pitchers of note is never a good thing Halbert….too much sibling rivalry there mate.
June 25th, 20129:00 am
I was just filling in the AL East record…
June 25th, 20129:02 am
Ease – Good eye! I missed that Tampa series because it was earlier. Makes the record look even better.
Jeffery d – Getting too close to home. I actually do play the banjo in a Bluegrass group. I also drive a S-10 and wear overalls. But I do still have all five teeth.
Bat – Clearing up for you guys? Drizzle here since yesterday afternoon. I poured out 2 1/2 inches from the gauge this morning. Supposed to get 4-6 inches today.
June 25th, 20129:05 am
Ok, so how about you start bunching your offense? Tons of hits against the Red Sox and still couldn’t score runs, lots of double plays it seemed.
Might be time to move Heyward to his rightful spot in the 3-hole. Gotta shake up the lineup. McCann is more of a 6 or 7 hitter at this point, same with Chipper. Not sure what you do after the first 3 guys in the lineup, but change should be in order.
I would love to be in a bluegrass group. Been playing guitar and bass for 15 years or so…I’ve been telling myself that I’ll buy and learn the banjo for awhile now. Alas…
June 25th, 20129:09 am
I mean, good lord, kid is up to .278/.351/.510 and most of that damage was done vs. American League pitching. Well done, Jason.
A success audition by any measure. I heard the Yankees have hired Goldman to arrange the finances for the acquisition.
Because I also want to play piano. I’ve been taking lessons for a couple years now, but don’t always practice as much as I should because I get too busy/distracted. (example – I’ve got a lesson this afternoon…I didn’t practice)
June 25th, 20129:12 am
A success audition by any measure.
Hey, if Granderson can hit 40 a sason playing there, Heyward’s numbers might be unimaginable.
June 25th, 20129:18 am
“Hey, if Granderson can hit 40 a sason playing there, Heyward’s numbers might be unimaginable.”
Yeh seems to happen to guys like Melky, Damon, etc. Not too hard to hit the ball 300ft apparently.
June 25th, 20129:23 am
Pleasantly surprised to see some blue sky this morning. I can hear the waves crashing the beach pretty well this morning so the surf must still be strong. Haven’t been down there to look yet today.
Now they are calling for maybe 1/2 an inch of rain today. A long way from the five they were calling for last night.
June 25th, 20129:24 am
Joey T — back on his feet in Mississippi. 22 hits (8 doubles) in 16 games.
Just reading Espinoza.com rumor mill. Nothing new there but sometimes I wonder what people there are smoking when they just throw stuff out there.
One thing that caught my eye is the suggestion that the marlins would trade Christian Yelich. For the perfect addition to the marlins maybe but otherwise no way. He hits for average, has good power, has lots of speed, and can play defense. The only thing keeping him from being a 5 tool stud is his arm. He would be our top position prospect easily. Not someone you just trade away at a deadline deal
June 25th, 20129:25 am
Jeffery d – I love bluegrass. Picking up the banjo is one of the best decisions I’ve ever made. It cuts into my Braves Sunday games a little, but it’s worth it. We play every other Sunday at two different nursing homes.
As I tell the other guys, we’ll play from 2:30 until we smell the cornbread coming out the oven.
Murph – Sorry fella, but you kinda suck as a Fantasy League Manager. Way out of it at this point. But I love you man. You’ll keep me out of the cellar.
Not enough sleep, not enough coffee.
June 25th, 20129:26 am
Joey T — back on his feet in Mississippi. 22 hits (8 doubles) in 16 games
Wish he had started the year there, would likely have been ready for a promotion by August/Sept. Now he’s probably gonna spend a year there to prove to the Braves that he can keep it up.
June 25th, 20129:28 am
Jimmy – considering I’m accustomed to stringed instruments, is it hard to pick up?
I can hear the waves crashing the beach pretty well this morning
June 25th, 20129:31 am
Good to hear Bat. Been rather wet in the panhandle lately, huh?
Debby might have some impact on the Braves later this week. Last I saw, it was barely moving but projected to head right over me and toward the Carolinas. It will still be a major rain producer.
June 25th, 20129:34 am
“Debby might have some impact on the Braves later this week”
Debby? Are we talking about Little Debby? The one who seems to be making our players slower on the basepaths?
June 25th, 20129:35 am
I’ve been saying for quite some time that there’s no way Uggla needs to be hitting 4th. He should either be 5th or 6th but probably needs to be nothing more than 6th.
June 25th, 20129:37 am
I know, Ease.
Jimmy, yes rather. And the last patch of blue is gone…….. sigh
June 25th, 20129:38 am
“I’ve been saying for quite some time that there’s no way Uggla needs to be hitting 4th. He should either be 5th or 6th but probably needs to be nothing more than 6th.”
Yeh, well…tough when you have a bunch of 6th and 7th and 8th hitters right now.
Heck McCann should be riding the bench with his production, same with Freeman, and same with Chipper Jones. If not, at least those guys aren’t 3-6 guys in the order. Bourn and Prado are perfect where they are, Simmons and Heyward should probably move up in the order. I guess that is how baseball goes.
June 25th, 20129:39 am
Nick Saban would be a good resource for those; the Hostess variety is preferred by Bravo indulgents.
jeffery d- With your background, I’d don’t think you’d have a problem. Not that it is easy, but I had no background to start with. You, on the other hand, are used to coordinating both your hands. Fretting with left and picking with the right…is what I mean.
I was told when I started that it would take around 5 years to be comfortable and confident. And they were right. But again, I started a ground zero. Also, I don’t read music. I play strictly by ear.
One more thing, if you are serious about it, I recommend banjohangout.org. It has a fourm and free video lessons. Site is free, just register. I learned alot there and met some good friends all over the country.
Uggla: “I’m going to get hot again… as soon as we play CELLAR DWELLARS and face pitchers that I can actually hit.”
This guy is a cannot hit good or even medium pitching, AT ALL.
June 25th, 20129:40 am
That only affects McCann, Francisco, and Hinske. Freeman is naturally slow.
Simmons should move up? You guys don’t want much do you…………. Hey kid, welcome to the show, we really need your bat
June 25th, 20129:41 am
I believe 90%+ managers would have Heyward batting 3rd by now. We used to complain about Bobby being set in his ways but Fredi is unreal. I better stop, I am beginning to sound like GEORGE.
June 25th, 20129:42 am
Last 30 days:
Uggla is your 4 hitter, and should be. Heyward probably is your three hitter right now.
June 25th, 20129:43 am
MFin04 – Yeah, I mentioned last week that McCann has a pregame ritual, which involves several boxes of Little Debbie Zebra cakes.
Heap would be slow if he weighed 180
June 25th, 20129:45 am
“Heap would be slow if he weighed 180″
True, but he wouldn’t be as slow. No one is faster with extra body weight on them, especially if it isn’t muscle.
Uggla’s the only guy in the middle of the order getting on base at a decent rate this year…
June 25th, 20129:46 am
Stopstreetharrassment.org……………….the nutty ones abound outside this blog as well.
June 25th, 20129:47 am
I better stop, I am beginning to sound like GEORGE.
Your complaint is valid. George would be placing the blame of Snuggies at Fredi’s feet.
Agree MFin04- uggla should be the cleanup hitter. Heyward should be our #3 hitter with someone barking in his ear don’t do anything different than what you are doing
June 25th, 20129:48 am
i forgot the sarcasm for the mac part on my 9:40 am post…. Don’t kill me McFann
Complete head scratcher as to why they moved Terdoslavich to Triple-A and skipped Double-A. His numbers in 2011 vs. High-A pitching were not THAT good. Bizarre move from the start.
June 25th, 20129:51 am
The obvious should be,well,obvious. Even to Fredi.
I believe 90%+ managers would have Heyward batting 3rd by now.
Maybe. But a lot of the same posters here who are screaming for it are the same posters who wanted him hitting in Gwinnett, too.
Fredo is only showing the same jaundiced eye that so many posters have displayed towards Heyward in the past: prove it, son, for more than 100 ABs. Me, I’d like to see him up in the order, too, but I’d much prefer that, once that happens, it happens for good. Maybe Fredo is of the same mind, and wants a little more assurance first.
Who knows? Right now, I have no doubt that Heap is moments away from a surge, and Uggla isn’t gonna move from 4, so hitting Heyward at 5 is probably the most one could expect. Given that, whether he goes 5, 6, or 7, probably isn’t much of a difference.
June 25th, 20129:52 am
Medium pitching? As opposed to small or extra extra large?
June 25th, 20129:54 am
I have no doubt that Heap is moments away from a surge
Do they even sell those anymore?
June 25th, 20129:57 am
jeffrey, are you thinking of a “serger”? I think the time has passed that McCann makes his own clothes.
June 25th, 201210:00 am
How’s the blog? Doom and gloom or optimistic?
I was feeling great about things after Friday’s game… never would have expected JJ to bring it the way he did. My first thought was “well, the team can focus on a bat bench now, rotation is solid”… and then Saturday and Sunday happened.
I didn’t watch either game, so hopefully someone can tell me, why was Delgado pulled so early? I realize he gave up 4(?) runs, but even with that, it seemed that he was yanked at the first opportunity. Was he that bad?
After seeing the highlights of the Minor game now I’m back to thinking that the team does indeed need to chase a Garza or a Dempster if they are going to stay in the race. But if they do… then what? Delgado or Minor… or JJ?
The rotation went from feeling totally solid to totally unsettled in the span of 3 days.
The way Heyward is hitting ball, he needs to be in the three hole. Better chance there’ll be runners on, what with Bourn and Prado in front.
Jason is just hitting the ball hard to all fields.
So, Fredi probably “rests” him Tuesday night.
Just my take.
June 25th, 201210:02 am
Surge was a variation of a Norwegian citrus soft drink called Urge. Surge, like Urge, was produced by the Coca-Cola Company to compete with Pepsi’s Mountain Dew (Mello Yello, on the other hand, was introduced in 1979 as another Mountain Dew rival by Coke, but Surge had a more “hardcore” edge much like Mountain Dew’s advertising at this time).
Agree, scoots. I’m impressed Fredi hasn’t reacted hastily to Heyward’s recent surge the way he often does. But don’t worry, I’ll find something else to hate on Fredi for.
Mr. Obsessed with Weight
June 25th, 201210:03 am
Sorry for always being concerned with the weight of the players on this team it’s just I notice it more than others because I like looking at the boy’s hind ends!! It’s a real turn on for me Jimmy and some of the other bloggers!!! We swing that way if you know what I mean…. Why else would we constantly talk about it?
No, Surge. It was like Mountain Dew with extra sugar
“whether he goes 5, 6, or 7, probably isn’t much of a difference.”
Unless he keeps hitting homers and doubles, after slow guys in front of him (Freeman and McCann) keep grounding into double plays. I’d rather have a string of production, with less of a chance of hitting into the automatic DP, which is McCann and Freeman on any ground ball in the infield/shallow outfield.
June 25th, 201210:04 am
goliath This guy is a cannot hit good or even medium pitching, AT ALL.
dan uggla has a 1.129 career OPS vs. Roy Halladay. Career .948 vs. .948. A career 1.797 vs. Strasberg. A career 1.167 OPS vs Greinke.
this is plenty of proof uggla can hit good pitching.
June 25th, 201210:05 am
Murph – You have been a topic on here this morning. We were talking about your inability to manage a fantasy league team. How, without you, someone else would be buried deep in the cellar. So, we are thankful for you.
Well, actually, I was the only one saying that. But I could feel the vibe from the other bloggers.
Oh, and snuggies was a topic.
June 25th, 201210:06 am
Surge was a variation of a Norwegian citrus soft drink called Urge.
Ah. Once again, I am oblivious,. Sorry, jeffrey, I’m sure everybody else got the joke.
June 25th, 201210:07 am
@Lew……very good one there because I ddin’t realize there was a catagory for ‘the mediums.”
June 25th, 201210:08 am
I actually didn’t think anybody would get it. But I still chuckled at the image of McCann getting ready to crack open a Surge
June 25th, 201210:09 am
Jimmy, I will point out that Murph won the league last year with the same amount of effort…
Neither Delgado or Minor could get guys out, and way too much extra base hits, but that is to be expected, the real problem was the Braves not getting that one big homer.
Boston has been hot and it is a tough park. That is why Jurrjen’s start was soo amazing! Yep, one of us believed in the guy!
June 25th, 201210:10 am
Is Murph in our league? (the real league?)
“Why else would we constantly talk about it?”
To have fun and lighten the blog.
Surely, you can tell when someone is joking and when someone is serious?
Your and idiot, sir.
Also, I am deeply hurt by your comments.
June 25th, 201210:11 am
Well, Murph won the other blog league…
June 25th, 201210:12 am
Unless he keeps hitting homers and doubles, after slow guys in front of him (Freeman and McCann) keep grounding into double plays.
I think the odds of Freeman and McCann continuing to hit sub-.250 while Heyward continues to go sub-.400 are a little slim.
Again, I’m not averse to seeing Heyward up in the order, but rearranging the entire lineup off his 70 June PAs is just as bad as wanting him to hit 8th (or worse) off his 100 PAs in May. Those aren’t good reasons for moving the kid around in the lineup.
However, that does not preclude the notion that there actually are good reasons for moving him up in the order. It’s just that a month of performance isn’t one of them.
June 25th, 201210:13 am
Ease – Murph won it last year? Wow. I guess he isn’t a total loser after all.
Jeffery d – Murph 03 – Isn’t that Murph?
June 25th, 201210:14 am
Really? IMO, the rotation went from solid to unsettled the day Beachy went down. The other guys have been inconsistent. Delgado has been good, but has shown at times why he is a rookie. Minor’s been bad this year, especially after the 3rd inning, and JJ, well, that was just 1 start. I don’t know if our rotation is good enough to win in the playoffs (still think we get there), but we need to let these guys keep pitching.
Garza/Dempster are going to cost too much, and we need to get these young guys (especially Minor) experience in the bigs. They’ve already proven they can pitch in AAA, we need them to do it here in the Majors now. It’s the only way they’ll learn and get better for next year.
I thought he was Samantha’s sack. I don’t know who Murph03 is…just a fan of Murph?
June 25th, 201210:15 am
Man, got to to a meeting. It’s a pre-meeting to discuss the topics for the real meeting. Preseason meeting.
Frank Reardon called it. I have no idea what it’s about.
Later good folks.
June 25th, 201210:16 am
Murph 03 is not me, you doodie heads.
My team is “Samantha’s Sack”… currently sitting in 4th place and preparing to make a run at 1st.
And, for the record, I won 2 of the 3 blog fantasy leagues last season… so… nyah nyah na nyah nyah!
June 25th, 201210:17 am
That is why Jurrjen’s start was soo amazing! Yep, one of us believed in the guy! _ MFin04
June 22nd, 2012
Looking for a good start for JJ. Seven innings, 2 earned runs
One guy, MFin04?
June 25th, 201210:18 am
@ncscoots “…notion that there are good reasons for moving him up…”
Agree sir, but who will enlighten our Skipper to these possible initiatives?
What angers me about our lineup right now, is the fact that Fredi continually throw Uggla out there in the 4th spot night in and night out. The guy is absolutely killing us in that position and then you couple him with a struggling McCann at 3 and all of a sudden your getting no production behind Bourn and Prado. It’s time to move those guys out of those spots… it’s been that time for quite a long time.
June 25th, 201210:19 am
Dale Murphy (#3) fan it looks like…
at least we have that Teeterville Nine bum to help us out…
I do think, all things being equal, Heyward as a 3-hitter makes more sense than Freeman or McCann. Both of those two guys are slow, all 3 have similar type numbers, so it seems like giving the nod to Heyward would be ideal. That being said, yeh he hasn’t done it for an extended period of time.
Heyward’s numbers might be unimaginable.
Please, they’d merely be a result of reasonable expectations.
Medium pitching? Strange means of contact in this era of Twitter.
June 25th, 201210:20 am
Stuff it George.
AT: Well, who do you hit 4? At least Uggla is getting on base, Mac has to work his way out of his slump. He wants to (and should) see more production from JHey before moving him up…. I don’t mind the lineup right now except for Mac hitting 3rd.
June 25th, 201210:21 am
This may sound crazy, but I still think Polished can be a solid #3 starter.
However, I am not at all shocked that he came down from what people were saying after that Arizona start in April – “the so-called draft gurus were wrong, and Mike Minor has been worth the #7 overall pick in the 2009 draft and then some…..” “Keith Law and the rest of em don’t know what they are talking about, Mike Minor has proven them all wrong”.
Sorry, just had to add that in. Couldn’t believe what was being said after that Zona start, given that the kid still had an ERA of 4.50 after that spectacular, small sample of one start.
I am pleased Heyward is slugging and hitting. I hope it continues. I’ll be happy when he ends the season at or above .860
Need Freeman to get back in the grove. I think he will. His career he’s been a strong second half guy, given health.
currently sitting in 4th place and preparing to make a run at 1st.
Please. Watch out for the Petrel…Surging…
June 25th, 201210:22 am
“It’s time to move those guys out of those spots… it’s been that time for quite a long time.”
You can’t make a point like that, without suggesting a replacement. And, in fact, there is no one hitting better than Uggla right now. Not for the 4th spot at least.
June 25th, 201210:23 am
TennesseePaul, what are your thoughts on these last 70 plate appearances for the kid? Gotta feel good about it, despite the small sample and all. First time since April/May of 2010 that he’s looked like a budding superstar in this league – even though he had some good streches in 2010 after coming back from the thumb injury.
June 25th, 201210:24 am
who will enlighten our Skipper to these possible initiatives?
Heyward himself. He’ll cool down from this June blister, at some point. If he shakes whatever slump he hits (in some reasonable time-frame) and then comes back raking again, that might go a long way to to sway the thinking that he can handle the three hole.
Yes…..certainly tweet with a full lung or refrain…..later gents!
June 25th, 201210:25 am
Props should only be given to squirrely guy.
June 25th, 201210:26 am
Sublime as usual analysis @ncscoots……..or can I call you Skipper!
Lotta sunshine in hokieland.
June 25th, 201210:27 am
It’s time to move those guys out of those spots… it’s been that time for quite a long time.
It’s been 17 games for Uggla. He’s hit .127/.324/.200/.524 over 17 games. Prior to that, his previous 55 games, he hit .276/.384/.492/.876.
I guess my question is, if 17 games is “quite a long time,” how are you measuring time?
How long til we see a move for a starter?
June 25th, 201210:28 am
or can I call you Skipper
As long as you call me for supper, I’ll answer to just about any name.
June 25th, 201210:29 am
When Minor gets rattled he completely looses the ability to hit the strike zone. Like I’ve said before, his issue is that 6 inches.
June 25th, 201210:30 am
then he begins throwing them right down the middle and hanging.
Well apparently, Huddy’s ankle is still hurting, if one more guy goes down with an injury…I think the Braves do deal for a starter. Problem is, I don’t think there is a decent starter out there. I’d like to see Minor or Delgado pitch in a more legit park to judge their results. I said it about Jurrjens, you can’t judge his results at Fenway if they are bad, just a bad park to pitch in, to a team with a DH and whose offense has been good as of late.
Heyward at .260/.360/.444 for his career now. 118 OPS+ through his first 1,348 plate appearances in the bigs, ages 20-23……
Hah! I can finally post that after this hot streak and not feel like it was all the first two months of his rookie year skewing it….
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