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NickB
June 24th, 2012
9:13 pm
i don’t think Greinke is gonna com here, but it would be worth a shot. I’m not a fan of Dempster, Garza or Saunders…. I think they cost too much and really won’t bring that much….
I’m starting ,more and more, to be in the camp of selling rather than buying.
BFChris27
June 24th, 2012
9:14 pm
Trader Jack
I don’t get bummed out over trivial reasons to be fair. But it’s not in reality impossible for a trade for Garza to happen. Whether or not it happens, it’s whatever, but it’s not an impossible scenario for Atlanta. That’s all I was getting at ultimately.
The needs in my view are a starter, a reliable reliever and bench help. I would understand if all of em aren’t met, but at least a starter is the most pressing need and if a reliever can be gotten with the stater, then it’s gravy.
However if the in house options can prove to be good enough, then reliever becomes the most pressing need, but as I said before, I am not exactly sold on the in house options and to be frank about it, the longer Wren waits to see if the in house options pan out, it could be too late, especially if Delgado and Minor is constantly tread out and doesn’t perform well.
Owl Hunter
June 24th, 2012
9:15 pm
jed
JJ and Lowe were two entirely different situations. They would have had to DFA Lowe and eat a lot of money. That was not the case with JJ.
Owl Hunter
June 24th, 2012
9:16 pm
Delgado hasn’t been that bad since April.
The A Bomb
June 24th, 2012
9:16 pm
Braves are a good team. But they’re a mismanaged team from the top all the way through the coaching staff.
The way things have been handled since last September it clearly shows a great deal of disagreement among top brass as the way to proceed. Very frustrating for fans.
cowdogit
June 24th, 2012
9:18 pm
I’am glad to know Glavine , Maddox , and Smoltz didn’t need middle relievers and closers . A pitcher with Minor’s talent , with the help of Mazzone would be a great candidate for the hall of fame . The braves don’t need more pitchers , they need Mazzone .
BFChris27
June 24th, 2012
9:18 pm
Owl Hunter
True on Delgado, but he hasn’t been very dominant either, but I’m more comfortable with him than Minor on the mound though.
Owl Hunter
June 24th, 2012
9:18 pm
I think Wren has done a pretty good job. Fredi needs to go, though. Definitely.
BFChris27
June 24th, 2012
9:20 pm
Ditto on Fredi.
Owl Hunter
June 24th, 2012
9:20 pm
cowdogit
I’m beginning to think that an actual cow is making your argument.
Jake W.
June 24th, 2012
9:21 pm
The needs in my view are a starter, a reliable reliever and bench help. I would understand if all of em aren’t met, but at least a starter is the most pressing need and if a reliever can be gotten with the stater, then it’s gravy.
A starter only becomes a pressing need if JJ doesn’t work out. If he does then we could get some pen help and always bump Medlen to the rotation to take Minor’s spot if he continues to underachieve. We have no real depth for the lineup or the pen so to me those are the most pressing needs. We still have some flexibility when it comes to the rotation if JJ really has gotten it together. He’s off to a promising start. To me this is more about JJ getting it together than Minor at this point. I think counting on both of them to turn it around would be to optimistic, even for me.
NickB
June 24th, 2012
9:22 pm
Mazzone became old and grouchy and wasn’t connecting with the young pitchers. He left to Baltimore to be near hi family and work with a longtime friend. he failed…. I’m not so sure he even wants to coach anymore at his age.
I also don’t think Mazzone would be any better than McDowell, before this year , the Braves were in the top 5 in starter ERA for many of his seasons.
but cowdogit, you keep ranting at the screen, it’s amusing to the rest of us
nolie
June 24th, 2012
9:22 pm
I have no problem with trading Minor for help
nolie
June 24th, 2012
9:24 pm
I also doubt seriously that the Braves will be sellers. who would the sell and for what? Not theit MO and pretty unlikely this year either unless the mext month goes about 10-20 or worse
NickB
June 24th, 2012
9:25 pm
nolie
Neither do I, but I want to get some real help, Dempster and Garza kinda underwhelm me.
Macarthy from the A’s would be nice
nolie
June 24th, 2012
9:25 pm
Really getting bad weather down here now, severe thunderstorms and tornado warnings all over the area. Wind has picked way up
Efrim
June 24th, 2012
9:26 pm
Delgado hasn’t been that bad since April.
Very true. He shouldn’t be replaced. However, he still has a 4.52 ERA and his walk rate has been concerning. They definitely need a starter, imo.
BFChris27
June 24th, 2012
9:26 pm
Jake W.
Yeah I can see your point there, except I’d keep Meds in the pen, too late to put him in rotation now in my opinion. If Jurrjens does well, then I’d still get a back end of the rotation starter along with another arm for the pen to go along with Medlen.
Bench help is easier to get, so it wouldn’t be too hard to take care of that need.
NickB
June 24th, 2012
9:26 pm
If they continue to play as they have the past month, they are going to be double digits out of first and probably 6-8 out o the WC.
IF that happens, I would trade Bourn, JJ and EOF.
nolie
June 24th, 2012
9:27 pm
they got 7 models of Debbie and each one says its going in a different direction, right now just sitting there
BFChris27
June 24th, 2012
9:27 pm
NickB
Isn’t McCarthy on the DL or going on it?
jed
June 24th, 2012
9:27 pm
well they ended up eating money to get rid of lowe anyway. yes, though, different situations. although i cant substantiate it, i sense an undercurrent from the braves that they dont like JJ. instead of treating him like a pitcher who tried to pitch through injury the 2nd part of last year (after an all-star first half), and whose performance suffered from that, they just decided they didnt like him and put him on the trade block. i noticed as well that JJ bristled when a reporter asked if he had ‘better focus’ friday night than his early starts. he said ‘there’s never been anything wrong with my focus.’ which leads me to believe:
a/ the braves have questioned his focus, and b/ JJ was saying he was hurt in those early starts this season (and the 2nd half of last season). it’s almost as if–reading between the lines–the braves execs questioned whether JJ was actually hurt. i dont know…maybe DOB knows…but i get the feeling he’d be persona non grata in bravesland if he said what he knew.
Efrim
June 24th, 2012
9:29 pm
Stay safe, nolie.
Trader Jack
June 24th, 2012
9:30 pm
nolie
Did you batten down the hatches?
Jake W.
June 24th, 2012
9:31 pm
BFChris27
I prefer Medlen the reliever over medlen the starter. Honestly I just think it will be easier to get bullpen help over acquiring a starter.
Yunel's Frosted Tips
June 24th, 2012
9:31 pm
Minor = Jo Jo Reyes Light………… Don’t deal Bethancourt in a panic move for a pitcher…….we need him McCann has peaked and should not be offered a long term deal……….throw that money at Bourn……..
Bat Masterson
June 24th, 2012
9:32 pm
but the JJ situation has been rather strange as well. certainly hard to reconcile it with the infinite patience they showed d lowe for 3 years. _ jed
How is the JJ “situation” strange. The guy said on TV last night that he should have worked out more last off season to strengthen his leg. His own fault, he learned how important it was and spent the time getting stronger.
Should they Braves have continued to send him out there to get his brains beat out.
NickB
June 24th, 2012
9:33 pm
nolie
yeah and one of them has it coming towards me (south mississippi) hopefully it’ll get a move on, cuz just sitting there is going to flood the florida panhandle
Efrim
June 24th, 2012
9:33 pm
Dempster, McCarthy, Marcum and Saunders are all on the disabled list right now – pushing Matt Garza’s price tag even higher if these guys can’t make it back in time to prove their value.
usnavyvolfaninva
June 24th, 2012
9:33 pm
OK, who are we firing, DFAing, etc tonight?
tiger297
June 24th, 2012
9:33 pm
nolie – the forecaster up here yesterday called it the spagetti track
NickB
June 24th, 2012
9:33 pm
yeah, i forgot about McCarthy on the DL…… jeez, lots of talent on the DL across the league this year
guys lift weights too much IMO
Disgusted
June 24th, 2012
9:34 pm
I’m starting ,more and more, to be in the camp of selling rather than buying.
NickB — If the Braves are five or 6 out at the deadline than yes, selling is an option. Question is who do we have to sell that would bring someting decent????
Bourn??? Hudson???? JJ maybe (assuming he puts some good starts together)?????
We have a very very young team as it stands now for the most part.
I don’t want to be in a perpetual building process every two, three yrs which could be the case as other teams get more new TV contract $$$$$$$ from their RSN’s.
I do see Grienke staying in the Mid West, we can be pretty much sure he is not going to go to the North East or a Southern California or Chicago team given his history.
He would be nice to have but do not expect that.
Disgusted
June 24th, 2012
9:35 pm
I would stay away from Saunders, too much injury history.
Efrim
June 24th, 2012
9:36 pm
After starting the season 25-15, Braves have now gone 13-19 in their last 32 games.
MikeInFl
June 24th, 2012
9:36 pm
I often wonder if the Braves don’t tend to push their prospects too hard, too fast.
Bethancourt is the youngest position player in the Southern League. He didn’t really hit a lick at high A ball, but they’ve got him up at AA at 20 years old, where he’s OPS’ing under .600.
I don’t know too much about bringing young catchers along, but it sure seems aggressive to me…
Bat Masterson
June 24th, 2012
9:38 pm
uz Grienke is a weird guy, he i his own agent, and has said he’s more interested in playing where he is comfortable than getting the biggest contract, if he won’t sign a 6 year $130 mill deal, then you don’t make the trade _ NickB
Over $21mm per year, damn …… add in Uggla’s 13 and that’s well over a third of the payroll ……. So long Heap, good luck in New York
jed
June 24th, 2012
9:38 pm
bat–why did we put him on the trade block in the off-season? that’s my main question. ie, why do the braves seem not to like JJ?
NickB
June 24th, 2012
9:39 pm
Disgusted
Bourn, JJ and EOF could all be coveted pieces (if JJ keeps it up) they could each bring a good prospect.
true our team is young, and it’s actually very rare for a team with 4 or 5 22 year old players to even be in the hunt much less make the playoffs. But, with the $$$ we have clearing the books next offseason, this team could really be primed and ready for a long term chase at the NL East. We trade for a CF’er, sign or trade for the biggest LF or 3B bat we can find and add a good starter (all can be done and pay arby for $40-$45 mill easily) and we could be looking at this rotation
Huddy
Hanson
added starter
Delgado
Teheran
lineup
added CF’er (say Denard Span)
Prado
Heyward
Uggla
added LF bat say Willingham
Mac
Freeman
Simmons
The A Bomb
June 24th, 2012
9:40 pm
Braves aren’t going to sell UNLESS they totally go September in July.
Disgusted
June 24th, 2012
9:40 pm
Maybe Bethancourt is not that good. He would not be the first prospect to stall in AA.
It happens with other organizations.
I do agree that having him in AA after not hitting in A ball is aggressive.
BFChris27
June 24th, 2012
9:40 pm
Jake W.
I definitely agree it’s easier to get bullpen help over a starter, but Medlen should stay in bullpen at this stage. The window to put him in rotation has passed by and would be too late to put him in there.
Besides even if a reliever was gotten, subtracting Medlen and adding reliever is basically not accomplishing anything.
NickB
June 24th, 2012
9:41 pm
Bat
I don’t see Liberty owning the team longer than 2 more years, I would back load the deal and hope that incoming ownership is willing to put payroll over the $100 mill mark where it belongs
TheOnlyBravesFan
June 24th, 2012
9:41 pm
Okay, so I read some of the comments, and have a question. Why are you guys so hesitant to trade Minor? We have another one right behind him in Gilmartin. Also, why is it thought that we can get good players with scraps? We’re gonna have to give up some of our better prospects to get something good in return. While I’d like to hold on to as many of these pitchers as possible, we’ll have to make moves somewhere. We won’t always be able to fleece another GM like we did with Bourn.
Owl Hunter
June 24th, 2012
9:41 pm
jed
I think it had less to do with the Braves “not liking” JJ, and more to do with the percieved surplus of starting pitching we had. Thye hoped to use JJ to address other needs.
tiger297
June 24th, 2012
9:43 pm
NickB – how did you determine payroll belongs over $100M?
Disgusted
June 24th, 2012
9:43 pm
Nick B –
That could be competitive assuming we get more consistency from Delgado and we really do not know about Teheran just yet.
And we could hope that Venters bounces back to what he was and we have Venterbrell in the pen again. Guess you can keep Durbin around another yr.
More help from the bench will bring a lift too.
MikeInFl
June 24th, 2012
9:44 pm
He would not be the first prospect to stall in AA.
Well, of course not. Just seems that they would let him stay at a level where he might taste a little success before moving him up. Let him stall at AA at 23, not at 20.
Kinda the same approach with Salcedo too. And Lipka is real young for his league too, but probably a little more polished so that doesn’t concern me as much.
Just seems we’re pushing these Latin “phenoms” awfully fast… same with Teheran, really.
Just an observation… nolie, if he’s safe and dry, could probably offer some insight.
TheOnlyBravesFan
June 24th, 2012
9:45 pm
I often wonder if the Braves don’t tend to push their prospects too hard, too fast.
I don’t know too much about bringing young catchers along, but it sure seems aggressive to me…
Such is the life of a mid-market team. We’ve got to get them up quicker to replace the guys we lose.
I would stay away from Saunders, too much injury history.
He’s on the DL right now too…
NickB
June 24th, 2012
9:45 pm
tiger297,
I’m not greedy, I don’t think we should be spending $150 mill a year, but a payroll of right at $100 mill would give FW so many more options financially from year to year. right now, his job has got to be really effing hard.
nolie
June 24th, 2012
9:46 pm
I see no reason for Liberty to want to sell the Braves any tie in the near future. might wait for the economy to get better, and God knows how long that might take
Jake W.
June 24th, 2012
9:47 pm
BFChris27
I’d prefer it if they at least got two arms for the pen but I guess that all depends on how they view Moylan’s progress but if one arm is all they get, he would have to be a very solid one. Someone who could definitely handle the late innings.
Trader Jack
June 24th, 2012
9:47 pm
Nick B
Who in their right mind would buy the Braves? Mark Cuban took a glance and even without performing a due diligence said “I’ll pass”
usnavyvolfaninva
June 24th, 2012
9:47 pm
NickB,
What makes you think Liberty won’t own the team for more than 2 more years?
NickB
June 24th, 2012
9:47 pm
Disgusted,
Venters is having a strange season so far, but I’m not worried about him long term.
as far as relief arms go, you never really know what you are gonna get for the most part, Braves could pick up a guy who got released in spring training who is lights out, or could grab a dependable guy who has been money for years, and he takes a dump….
the bench and the pen…. they are usually a crapshoot, at least in the NL
Owl Hunter
June 24th, 2012
9:49 pm
Trader Jack
So, Cuban didn’t want the Braves, that means nobody would? Not very good logic there.
Bat Masterson
June 24th, 2012
9:50 pm
Bat
I don’t see Liberty owning the team longer than 2 more years,
Nick_
Maybe so, but I don’t think they will ever sell the Braves unless they find a way to do it tax free. John Malone would rather cut off both his legs than pay any taxes.
TheOnlyBravesFan
June 24th, 2012
9:50 pm
yeah, i forgot about McCarthy on the DL
Shoulder issue, right?
After starting the season 25-15, Braves have now gone 13-19 in their last 32 games.
Braves aren’t going to sell UNLESS they totally go September in July.
They’ve already started…. (sarcasm). If we were to go totally kaputz in July, would FG be in jeopardy? Would be a fall from the year we had in 2010. Would injuries give him a pass (keep in mind, I am not a Fredi basher or defender)
I don’t see Liberty owning the team longer than 2 more years
Really? Why not?
BFChris27
June 24th, 2012
9:50 pm
Jake W.
Yeah. I would like Darren Oliver if he’s available. Strong proven veteran who still has a lot left in the tank and would ease the load of O’Flaherty and Venters.
If two relievers are gotten I would like Oliver and a Camp or K-Rod.
Jeff R
June 24th, 2012
9:52 pm
I got those low-down MINOR blues…
The kid’s killin’ me. Just when I think he’s turning a corner he gets bombed. Oh, the pain!
Bat Masterson
June 24th, 2012
9:53 pm
bat–why did we put him on the trade block in the off-season? that’s my main question. ie, why do the braves seem not to like JJ? _jed
Maybe because they don’t have a lot of money and wanted to spend it elsewhere. Maybe because they knew JJ was gonna sit on his butt on the beach all summer and not work out his legs.
Trader Jack
June 24th, 2012
9:53 pm
Owl Hunter
June 24th, 2012
9:49 pm
Trader Jack
So, Cuban didn’t want the Braves, that means nobody would? Not very good logic there.
Logic has nothing to do with it. It’s all about a clear business decision.
NickB
June 24th, 2012
9:55 pm
Liberty bought the team , basically cuz they got that great tax deal, but they had to own the team for a certain amount of years to gt said deal, that has expired and the buzz is that they may be looking to sell after seeing how much the Dodgers brought and how much the Padres will bring.
Just some rumors I have heard from some people I know in Atlanta… might be BS.
Disgusted
June 24th, 2012
9:55 pm
I have to say you pretty much hit it right on the 9:44 post.
Salcedo does have pop, but has not been able to find a position yet. He has been an error machine in the field, and there does not seem to be any improvement.
I know that Chipper and Derek Jeter were error machines in their first minor league seasons but they got better, much better by their third yrs in pro ball.
Salcedo = DH
Trader Jack
June 24th, 2012
9:56 pm
Owl Hunter
I don’t see anyone talking to Liberty about a deal, do you? Yet the Padres will be sold for approx. $800 mil. do you want reasons why?
TheOnlyBravesFan
June 24th, 2012
9:56 pm
I’m starting ,more and more, to be in the camp of selling rather than buying.
No!!!! It’s too early, especially with there being 2 “wild-card” spots. And especially if we want to even have a crack at re-signing Bourn (though it is unlikely), I would think we would need to make the playoffs…
Disgusted
June 24th, 2012
9:57 pm
One thing about Liberty is that you never never hear a thing from any of them.
No wonder there is a disconnect with the fan base. You had more of a sports connect with Rankin Smith and the Atlanta Spirit than these guys.
nolie
June 24th, 2012
9:57 pm
Chipper made 43 errors in 93, his last minor league season
NickB
June 24th, 2012
9:57 pm
Cuban has stated that he likes to by down and out franchises and build them up from the ground level (like he did the formerly terrible Mavericks)
If he were to break into baseball, i reckon he’d be interested in a team like the Royals, the Pirates, Oakland…. something like that. (I kinda wish he would buy the A’s and move em, that city doesn’t appreciate them)
Bat Masterson
June 24th, 2012
9:59 pm
cuz just sitting there is going to flood the florida panhandle
I saw on the news a little while ago the Old St George Island road (now a fishing pier) collapsed. Hell thats in Apalachicola Bay.
NickB
June 24th, 2012
9:59 pm
Maybe I will be wrong, but I suspect that Liberty will formally announce the team is for sale by the start of the 2014 season.
NickB
June 24th, 2012
9:59 pm
and that hunch has about as much legitimacy as Fredi’s hunches about who to bring out in the 7th with the bases loaded
tiger297
June 24th, 2012
10:00 pm
Nick – I expect the Braves front office (TM & JS) have a plan to maximize organizational value (and likely have a s#itload of bonus money tied into it as well. I expect they will set payroll wherever they need to do earn those bonuses. Sometimes as fans I guess we lose site of it but maximizing organization value is in our best interest as well. It is what will keep us competitive in the long run. I’ve been a braves fan for about 30 years now and hope to be one for another 30 and would rather watch an organization that is consistent than one that takes me on a rollercoaster ride.
Also as someone who goes to 50 or so games a year I can honestly say if a payroll increase of 20-25% increases ticket prices by 20-25% and adds 3-4 wins a year I’m ok sticking with the $90M payroll.
nolie
June 24th, 2012
10:01 pm
i think that is wishful thinking more than anything else
The A Bomb
June 24th, 2012
10:02 pm
Ahmed could be in a package as well. Simmons is going to block a ton of young shortstops for years and the Braves need to use the UConn residue for all it’s worth. Plus, he’s not having a bad season at all. I like the guy a lot, but I can’t see him with the big club UNLESS he changes positions.
Dadgum.......
June 24th, 2012
10:02 pm
Well as we close in on the half way point of the season it appears the Braves’ needs are pretty clear cut IMO. Need a top tier pitcher and it’s gonna cost a bunch. Not sure who but that’s Wren’s job. All I know is that no Braves fan feels real secure trotting out any combo of Delgado, Minor, and Jurrjens and expecting back to back solid starts. Hell, even Hudson is throwing through pain. While the Braves can use smoke and mirrors for a while the long season will overtake the starters and send the Braves spiraling. They need help.
I have floated this before and I’ll say it again. I don’t think Atlanta will sign McCann to a long term deal after 2013. Reason being is they have a phenom in the wings who is frankly better and cheaper. Signing McCann long term at say 20 mil plus, well, I can’t see Atlanta doing that with McCann. That then begs the question do you sell high on McCann now IF a deal to bring in a huge talented starter and perhaps a prospect presents itself.
We have seen with Simmons the dividends youth is serving and while Bethancourt may not be ideal this year the Braves I feel have been dealt some tough blows. It may take McCann to get a huge talent. The Braves won’t make the playoffs with the starting pitching they have.
Disgusted
June 24th, 2012
10:04 pm
I would like Mark Cuban to give us a chance.
I don’t think that Davd Glass is going to sell the Royals, he has been there for yrs and that has not been a happy time for those fans.
They had a great owner in Ewing Kauffman and after his passing that team went to hell, part of it was the economics of the game, part of it was the very top of ownership.
Ownership in pro sports drives the success of a team — Perfect example was the SF 49ers from Ed De Bartolo to the Yorks. Now, they are being run by the son who is passionate about football and guess what — they are pretty good again should have been in the SB instead of the S-luck Giants.
It does not guarantee championships but it does energize fan bases and often gets a team to a prety good level at least . Look at our Falcons. No we have not won it all yet but Falcon fans have never had it so good except for one yr in 98.
NickB
June 24th, 2012
10:04 pm
Bethancourt may be cheaper, but he is not better. he is struggling with the bat, and I’d rather have a guy with a strong bat who needs to work on his defense than one of those all glove no bat roster black holes that many other teams suffer with
MikeInFl
June 24th, 2012
10:05 pm
Salcedo = DH
LOL. Much, much too early for that prognosis.
tiger297
June 24th, 2012
10:06 pm
bat – so how is the weather in destin?
nolie
June 24th, 2012
10:08 pm
they might spend 15 per for Mac, prolly not any more than that. he might take it too
Bat Masterson
June 24th, 2012
10:09 pm
All winter*
NickB
June 24th, 2012
10:09 pm
now I’m not saying Bethancourt won’t someday hit better, but looking at his numbers this year in AA:
3.7 BB% , 16.6 K% , OPS of .556, Isolated Power of .020, and that is with a BABIP of .307
he is not hitting very well
TheOnlyBravesFan
June 24th, 2012
10:09 pm
The Braves won’t make the playoffs with the starting pitching they have.
Oh we could, they can only get better, and once our hitters get out of their slump, we should score more runs and win more consistently. However, I can’t see this team winning enough games in the playoffs to make NLCS, let alone the WS. It’s gonna be tough trotting out these rookies to start in a NLDS series, especially if it’s on the road.
Bat Masterson
June 24th, 2012
10:10 pm
tiger_
Steady rain and windy……….. 35mph gusts
The A Bomb
June 24th, 2012
10:10 pm
I don’t think the Braves are going to do, as Jim Mora would say, DIDDLY POO. Every front office has to answer the question — CAN WE WIN THE WORLD SERIES THIS YEAR?
ANSWER? Not unless they pull a Colorado 2008. And they’re just inconsistent enough to do something like that — but with Chipper retiring it is definitely not worth upgrading at this point.
Disgusted
June 24th, 2012
10:11 pm
The $90 million payroll is fine if you are contented with 85 to 89 wins a yr.
Give or take a few wins here and there.
nolie
June 24th, 2012
10:11 pm
once they get in anything can happen, as two different Cards teams have shown lately
TheOnlyBravesFan
June 24th, 2012
10:11 pm
they might spend 15 per for Mac, prolly not any more than that. he might take it too
And 15/16 mil a year is the most they should spend, IMO. Unless we’re getting new ownership w/ payroll upped to 125mil….
tiger297
June 24th, 2012
10:12 pm
nolie – I think the braves will meet the annual I just can’t imagine they can take the years an AL team will-especially if chipper continues on thie pace of games played that will have to be in the back of braves FO minds
nolie
June 24th, 2012
10:14 pm
they’ll prolly pick up mac’s option, if he has another year like this one he is gone
MikeInFl
June 24th, 2012
10:16 pm
McCann will make it easy for the Braves to keep him if they want him, I think.
nolie
June 24th, 2012
10:16 pm
they drafted a few catchers….
Bat Masterson
June 24th, 2012
10:17 pm
I don’t think Atlanta will sign McCann to a long term deal after 2013. Reason being is they have a phenom in the wings who is frankly better and cheaper. _ Dadgum…….
Well one can’t argue with the cheaper part, but “frankly better” that’s certainly not true now and may never be.
Couch Tater
June 24th, 2012
10:17 pm
Hinske Still running out that triple from 2010.
CB – Ha! I was surprised he had another triple in a Braves uni. That’s why I looked it up.
nolie
June 24th, 2012
10:19 pm
the odds of Bethancourt ever approaching Mac’s offense are way long
Dadgum.......
June 24th, 2012
10:19 pm
No way Atlanta pays BMac 15 per season. Not a chance in hell. Trade him before he seeks big money that we can’t / won’t match. Gotta get a #1 starter if we can with my man Beachy gone for over a year and no telling how that will play out. It’s gonna get interesting but Wren will have to pull the trigger on a major trade for the Braves to be in the playoffs. Stay tuned.
keylargo
June 24th, 2012
10:22 pm
Brian McCann 2006 – 2009 .295/ .357/ .506/ .863 /123
Brian McCann 2010 – 2012 .264/ .354/ .451/ .805 /118
McCann establishishes himself as a star at catcher and enter the “Prime Years” of a players career, which are pretty much established as 25 to 28.
McCann entire offense is gradually degrading – during his prime years. K’s are way up, RBI’’s are way down.
BA – DOWN 31 points
OBP Down 3 points
SLG Down 55 points
OPS Down 58 points
There is just no way you can defend McCann and not include his offensive slide the last 3 years. Frank Wren will take care of this but you can bet there will be no 8 year $160 contracts in the Braves future.
NickB
June 24th, 2012
10:22 pm
Mac and his agent will not be able to argue for a higher payday than Molina if he isn’t hitting better than him this year and next year.
NickB
June 24th, 2012
10:23 pm
keylargo
offense is down across the league though…. at a fairly similar pace