Jurrjens’ auspicious return could bode well for Braves

BOSTON – Anyone who watched Jair Jurrjens’ auspicious return to starting rotation on Friday night knows he was good. Really good.

He had a one-hit shutout going through seven innings before giving up a run on a couple of doubles in the eighth inning of a 4-1 win against the Red Sox. Keep in mind, it was his first major league start in two months, after 10 mostly mediocre-at-best starts in Triple-A in the interim.

Jurrjens was outstanding in his first major league start in two months, taking a one-hit shutout to the eighth inning before giving up a run in a 4-1 win at Boston. (AP photo)

Jurrjens was outstanding in his first major league start in two months, taking a one-hit shutout to the eighth inning before giving up a run in a 4-1 win at Boston. (AP photo)

As shocking as it seemed – at least for me — Jurrjens looked like he was back to his 2011 All-Star form, rather than the pitcher who went 1-5 with a 6.87 ERA in 11 starts since that All-Star break while battling an injured and weakened knee and flaws in his delivery.

I asked catcher Brian McCann if Jurrjens looked like he did in the first half last season, when he was 12-3 with a 1.87 ERA in 16 starts and the second choice for the All-Star start behind Roy Halladay.

“He looked better,” McCann said, then explained what made him think that. “He was throwing harder, and I think when you’re able to get inside on lefties with his stuff, that opens up so many different opportunities calling a game. You can go a lot more places. He’s able to get lefties to pop balls up and get it by them….

“It was great to see him back. He’s had some injuries, and obviously, it’s all about his velocity. When he’s able to get inside on guys, the way he pitches it opens up everything. It was a plus for all of us, because he’s a guy that can give us a lift for the rest of the year and beyond.”

I’ll defer to McCann on whether Jurrjens looked better than he did early last season. I just know he looked sharp while carving up a good Boston lineup with a mix of 89-91 mph fastballs (topped out at 92), 82-84 mph change-ups and 79-81 mph sliders.

The differential between his fastball and change-up was one thing the Braves wanted him to focus on at Triple-A Gwinnett, along with consistency with his fastball velocity. He achieved both goals while working to improve the strength in his right leg, which was weakened by knee problems and resultant periods of inactivity late in each of the past two seasons.

He’s still pitching while wearing a brace on the knee, his push-off knee, and Jurrjens said his improved strength in the leg enabled him to push off the rubber and stay lower, improving his velocity and ability to keep the ball lower in the strike zone.

“When you can throw a change-up in any count and can throw a slider and 90-91 mph fastball, it looks like 93-94, and he commanded it,” manager Fredi Gonzalez said. “He had all three pitches working. When you get three pitches working in the big leagues, you do that – you go eight innings and give up two or three hits and one run, and have the opportunity to throw a shutout…

“He really was terrific.”

Jurrjens went 7-2/3 innings and was charged with three hits, one run, one walk and four strikeouts in 103 pitches (68 strikes). He didn’t allow a hit between the first and eighth innings, only one walk and a hit-by-pitch in that six-inning stretch.

It’s difficult to overstate how important this was for the Braves, coming the day after Brandon Beachy’s season-ending Tommy John elbow surgery. The Braves lost the major league leader in opponents’ average and co-leader in ERA, but if they can add something resembling the Jurrjens of old, the one from the first half of 2011 or that went 14-10 with a 2.60 ERA in 2009, then all of a sudden there’s not  the urgency to trade for a proven starter to stabilize the rotation.

Not that the Braves won’t keep looking to make a deal for a Matt Garza or Ryan Dempster (or some other pitcher) if they can swing it without giving up too much in the way of prospects, but now such a deal might make them a better rotation than they were before the Beachy injury, not merely a rotation that’s close to being as good as it was.

If Jurrjens pitches like he did last night, or close, think of how strong the rotation might be with Tim Hudson, Tommy Hanson, Jurrjens and, say, Garza or Dempster, with Randall Delgado or Mike Minor in the fifth spot. And even if the Braves don’t trade for another starter, as long as Hudson and the other stay healthy, that trio of Hudson/Hanson/Jurrjens could be solid in a postseason series, if the Braves get there.

But let’s not get ahead of ourselves, because it’s just one start. One start that surpassed all expectations, regardless of whether or not Braves officials admit as much publicly.

That said, what we watched last night didn’t have any sort of flukey feel to it. I didn’t get any sense that Jurrjens was doing it with smoke and mirrors, that Red Sox hitters were all just having a terrible night.

In Buster Olney’s blog today on ESPN.com, he has a breakdown of what Jurrjens did well, courtesy of the folks at ESPN Stats & Info:

– He threw 37 changeups out of 103 pitches (35.9 percent), his highest percentage in four seasons. Red Sox hitters were 1-for-11 with three K’s in at-bats ending with a changeup.

– Eighteen of his 34 pitches with two strikes were changeups (52.9 percent). Boston hitters were 1-for-12 in two-strike at-bats, including 0-for-7 against the changeup.

– Red Sox hitters were 0-for-13 with three strikeouts in at-bats ending with a pitch down in the zone or below, including 0-for-7 vs. the changeup.

– Jurrjens threw first-pitch strikes to 17 of 28 hitters, went to 2-0 counts on just two hitters, and had no 3-0 or 3-1 counts all night.

BRAVES LINEUP

  1. Bourn cf
  2. Prado lf
  3. McCann dh
  4. Uggla 2b
  5. Freeman 1b
  6. Jones 3b
  7. Heyward rf
  8. Ross c
  9. Simmons ss

(Delgado pitching)

• Road machine: Friday night’s win was the seventh in their past eight road games for the Braves, who’ve done most of the things right on the road that they’ve struggled with at Turner Field.

The Braves are 7-1 with a 2.41 ERA, .272 batting average and 44 runs in their past eight road games, compared to 1-6 with a 4.43 ERA, .249 average and 14 runs in their past seven home games. They won Tuesday and Wednesday at New York against a Yankees team that had won 10 in a row before those losses.

Atlanta opened the season with four consecutive losses on the road, against the Mets and Astros. Since then through Friday, the Braves went 23-11 with a 3.33 ERA on the road, scoring 165 runs with 41 homers in those 34 games.

• Sometimes the best trade… Most of us didn’t rip the trade when it was made, nor did we find much to praise about the deal at the 2010 July 31 non-waiver trade deadline that sent to Braves lefty relief prsopect Tim Collins, outfielder Gregor Blanco and reliever Jesse Chavez to Kansas City for outfielder Rick Ankiel and veteran reliever Kyle Farnsworth.

The Braves traded Tim Collins to the Royals as part of the 2010 deal for Rick Ankiel and Kyle Farnsworth. In his second major league season, Collins leads AL relievers in strikeouts.

The Braves traded Tim Collins to the Royals as part of the 2010 deal for Rick Ankiel and Kyle Farnsworth. In his second major league season, Collins leads AL relievers in strikeouts.

In retrospect, it reminds me of the saying about how sometimes the best deal is the one you didn’t make.

Ankiel and Farnsworth both had expiring contracts, and neither was re-signed by the Braves after the 2010 season. Other than Ankiel’s big homer in the division series, he and Farnsworth did little to help the Braves in that year’s playoff push and first-round postseason loss to the Giants.

Ankiel hit .210 with two homers and a .651 OBP in 47 regular-season games for the Braves, and went 2-for-12 with a solo homer — admittedly a potentially huge one at the time — and one RBI in the division series.

Farnsworth had a 5.40 ERA in 23 regular-season appearances for the Braves, then pitched two scoreless innings in two appearances in the division series.

Of the three the Braves gave up, Chavez has continued to struggle with the Royals and Blue Jays. No loss there.

Blanco has done a few things. He had a .348 OBP and .717 OPS with 10 stolen bases in 49 games in 2010 with the Royals, and currently has a .351 OBP, .755 OPS and 12 stolen bases in 61 games (224 plate appearances) with the Giants.

He made recent headlines in San Francisco for his spectacular diving catch in center field that helped preserve Matt Cain’s perfect game.

But the one guy in that entire deal that had a lot of us wondering what the Braves were doing was Collins, especially since Braves officials had praised him and talked him up so much after getting him just a couple of weeks earlier from Toronto in the deal that sent Yunel Escobar and Jo-Jo Reyes to the Blue Jays in return for Alex Gonzalez, Tyler Pastornicky and Collins.

The 5-foot-6 Collins was described as a freak of nature, throwing hard (upper 90s) and piling up strikeouts in the minors, including 108 strikeouts in 71-1/3 innings in 2010 at the Double-A and Triple-A levels.

Then the Braves traded him two weeks after getting him, sending him to the Royals.

As a rookie in 2011, Collins had a 3.63 ERA with 60 strikeouts in 67 innings of 68 relief appearances. And this season, he’s taken it up a notch or three, posting a 2.27 ERA in 32 appearances and leading American League relievers with 51 strikeouts in 35-2/3 innings (Craig Kimbrel is fourth in the NL with 44 strikeouts in 27 innings).

Collins’ past 18 appearances have been almost Kimbrel-ian: 0.93 ERA, 19-1/3 innings, eight hits, two runs, nine walks, 29 strikeouts. (I said almost Kimbrel-ian.)

Sometimes, the best trade is one you didn’t make. But that’s easy for me to say.

You gotta take chances as a GM, and not every deal is going to work out in your favor.

By the way, here’s a link to a story on Blanco and the winding path he took to making that terrific catch that shows up nightly on ESPN’s Plays of the Day (it keeps beating out the latest play of the day in fan voting)….

• Speaking of Kimbrel: He notched his NL-leading 21st save on Friday with another perfect ninth inning, and in his past 16 games Kimbrel has converted 12 of 12 saves while allowing no runs, three hits and two walks with 25 strikeouts and an .058 opponents’ average. That is total dominance.

In 22 night games (through Friday) he has a 1.23 ERA and 35 strikeouts in 22 innings.

With runners in scoring position, Kimbrel has limited hitters to 1-for-17 with one walk.

In any situation with runners on base, hitters are 4-for-35 against him, with five walks and 16 strikeouts.

• Hot/not: The Jason Heyward June surge continued with a 3-for-4 night and two doubles in Friday’s win, giving him a .377 average that’s the third-best in the NL this month behind Joey Votto (.451) and Andrew McCutchen (.378).

Jason Heyward has the third-best batting average in the NL in June, and he's hit for power and played exceptional defense. (AP photo).

Jason Heyward has the third-best batting average in the NL in June, and he's hit for power and played exceptional defense. (AP photo).

Heyward is 23-for-61 in 17 games this month entering Saturday night’s nationally televised tilt with the Red Sox, with 12 extra-base hits (four homers), 11 RBIs, a .406 OBP and .721 slugging percentage (1.127 OPS).

He was 13-for-29 (.448) during an eight-game hitting streak through Friday, with eight extra-base hits and an .897 slugging percentage. Heyward was 7-for-11 in his past three games with two doubles, a triple and two homers.

Martin Prado had a .356 average (52-for-146), 15 extra-base hits, 12 RBIs and a .913 OPS in his past 36 games, including 19 multi-hit games. Prado was 6-for-10 with two doubles and a homer in his past two games before Saturday.

Rookie sensation Andrelton Simmons had a double and two RBIs Friday to give him a .433 average (13-for-30) with six RBIs in his past nine games. Against lefties, Simmons has hit .357 (10-for-28) with a .387 OBP and .571 slugging percentage since arriving from Double-A. (The Braves face another lefty, Franklin Morales, on Saturday.)

Simmons was 5-for-12 with runners in scoring position, including 4-for-8 with two out. His RBI double Friday came with two out in the fourth inning for a 2-0 lead.

In the No. 8 position in the lineup, Simmons was 15-for-34 (.441), compared to 4-for-25 (.160) in the seventh spot. He batted ninth Friday, his first time in any spot other than seventh or eighth.

On the other end of the heat spectrum: Dan Uggla was 5-for-47 (.106) with one homer and five RBIs in his past 15 games through Friday, including 3-for-33 (.091) with one RBI, nine walks and 15 strikeouts in his last 10 games.

And Eric Hinske, since his four-hit game at Colorado on May 4, was 4-for-58 (.069) with no extra-base hits, one RBI, seven walks and 20 strikeouts in his past 28 games through Friday.

• Let’s close with a tune by the mighty Clash from their eclectic, sprawling and highly underrated Sandinista album. You can hear it by clicking here.

album-sandinista

“HITSVILLE UK” by The Clash (Strummer, Jones)

They cried the tears, they shed the fears
Up and down the land
They stole guitars or used guitars
So the tape would understand.
Without even the slightest hope of a 1000 sales
Just as if there was a Hitsville in UK
Know the boy was all alone, till the Hitsville UK.

They say true talent will always emerge in time
When lightening hits small wonder
It’s fast rough factory trade
No expense accounts, or lunch discounts
Or hypeing up the charts
The band went in ‘n’ knocked ‘em dead in 2 min. 59.

No slimey deals, with smarmy eels – in Hitsville UK
Let’s shake ‘n’ say we’ll operate in Hitsville UK
The mutants, creeps and muscle men
Are shaking like a leaf
It blows a hole in the radio
When it hasn’t sounded good all week
A mike ‘n’ boom, in your living room – in Hitsville UK
No consumer trials, or A.O.R. in Hitsville UK
Now the boys and girls are not alone
Now the Hitsville hit UK.

– David O’Brien, Braves/MIB blog

1,412 comments Add your comment

BFChris27

June 23rd, 2012
2:36 pm

ChattTownBrian

June 23rd, 2012
2:41 pm

“1st” BFChris27

Damnit!

BFChris27

June 23rd, 2012
2:43 pm

Ken Rosenthal ‏@Ken_Rosenthal

For those asking: Told #Braves not involved in Youkilis discussions.

Well that makes me sad.

reckingball

June 23rd, 2012
2:43 pm

Uggla will get it going again.
go braves!

Woody Woodward

June 23rd, 2012
2:46 pm

Why would Youk want the national league? Isn’t he a prototypical finish your career in the AL as a DH guy? We’d get him for this year, but no way we’d be in the running for a deal beyond this year.

ChattTownBrian

June 23rd, 2012
2:46 pm

Good. We don’t “need” Youkilis.

ChattTownBrian

June 23rd, 2012
2:47 pm

Enter your comments here

richy

June 23rd, 2012
2:47 pm

If JJ keeps it up, then Braves could get another guy to take it over the top! I like it. Glad for JJ that hopefully he is back.

TheOnlyBravesFan

June 23rd, 2012
2:48 pm

Braves not involved…. ok… I don’t mind

TheOnlyBravesFan

June 23rd, 2012
2:49 pm

We don’t need a 3B, would rather get a LF whose under contract for a year or two (like Willingham, hint hint)

BFChris27

June 23rd, 2012
2:50 pm

Willingham would be nice, but not for what Twins would want for him.

Disgusted

June 23rd, 2012
2:51 pm

New blog — Where is the top 25 list?????

Disgusted

June 23rd, 2012
2:53 pm

Chipper just might come around in the second half so Prado will be fine in left.

The bench can also give a better lift, I expect better things out of Hinske in the second half.

flange1

June 23rd, 2012
2:54 pm

Thanks for the new blog DOB

Bravefaninok

June 23rd, 2012
2:54 pm

Thanks DOB,Great comeback for JJ,hopefully he can keep it up.

Mike from the coast

June 23rd, 2012
2:55 pm

I, too, believe Uggla will snap out of it, but I would sure like to see him moved out ot the 4 hole until he does.

ChattTownBrian

June 23rd, 2012
2:55 pm

Not sure if I’m the Braves and JJ keeps pitching well that I still wouldn’t go get another good starter. That’s how you win – pitching. However, we collapsed last year mainly because the offense hit a brick wall. IDK what they might do and what they’re thinking.

Disgusted

June 23rd, 2012
2:55 pm

Twins are not in contention and might dump Willingham to a team that will take on the $$$$$$$.

Maybe in the off season they can pitch for him, but don’t know what Wren has to spend for now.

Disgusted

June 23rd, 2012
2:57 pm

I would not mind a starter but do not want to trade assets for a rental.

Dempster is out of the question. The SP must have at least one more yr left under contract if we give up anying of value.

If JJ keeps it up and Minor does do well and improve than problem solved

I know that is alot to ask out of Minor..

Disgusted

June 23rd, 2012
3:00 pm

If J.D. Drew is in any kind of playing shape, why not consider him??????

And for one yr next yr too. Maybe a year of rest could do him good, he is not that old.

McFann :Ô: :Ô: :ô:

June 23rd, 2012
3:00 pm

Mark Bowman As the Braves attempt to win a fourth straight game on Saturday, they’ll be challenged by left-hander Franklin Morales who will be making his second start of the season. Right-handed hitters have batted .258 (17-for-66) against him and left-handers .190 (8-for-42). Looking to add a right-handed bat to his lineup, Fredi Gonzalez will use David Ross as his catcher and Brian McCann as his designated hitter.</strong

Great jumpin’ gosh almighty! I’ll be SOOOOO friggin’ glad when we’re DONE with this DUMB AL nonsense!…

McFann :Ô: :Ô: :ô:

June 23rd, 2012
3:01 pm

Also, I hate that FRIGGIN’ format!! Hot dang—why doesn’t my stupid bold italics ever work?? Good gosh…

McFann :Ô: :Ô: :ô:

June 23rd, 2012
3:04 pm

text to be bold italics

text to be italics with text to be bold italics and all that…

McFann :Ô: :Ô: :ô:

June 23rd, 2012
3:04 pm

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAGH!!!

text to be bold italics

McFann :Ô: :Ô: :ô:

June 23rd, 2012
3:05 pm

EUREKA!!!…

McFann :Ô: :Ô: :ô:

June 23rd, 2012
3:05 pm

Alright, I’m taking over this joint…

McFann :Ô: :Ô: :ô:

June 23rd, 2012
3:10 pm

Apparently that was a scary thought…

TheOnlyBravesFan

June 23rd, 2012
3:11 pm

McCann DHing, I like it. Gives him a chance to work on his hitting, get D Ross some ABs, and we all like to see his rocket arm…. if only crawfod and ellsbury were playing, would love to see David throw them out.

McFann :Ô: :Ô: :ô:

June 23rd, 2012
3:12 pm

TheOnlyBravesFan

June 23rd, 2012
3:13 pm

italics… are they italian?
Bold…. big, strong, and tall like boulders

jim

June 23rd, 2012
3:18 pm

3 of the 4 runs last night came from the 7-9 spots in the order. The day before, 6 – 9 produced at least 4 of the 10 runs with Freeman adding 1 and 3 more in each game. A similar story was told in game 2 of the Yankee series. Heyward and Simmons are carrying this team right now (along with Prado) and Freeman has begun to regain his early season form. But this isn’t reflected in the lineup. There are at least 3 hitters between Prado and the hot hitters at the back of the lineup — three good candidates for a double play or strike out, and all too often Bourn is being put in the position of being an RBI-man, not a table setter. Last night the 1-6 hitters came up to bat 5 times. The Heyward-Simmons group 4. The hottest hitters got 1 fewer AB than the rest of the lineup. That didn’t make a lot of difference last night, but typically the hitters hitting so low in the order will have 1 less AB than the middle of he order guys several times a week. That adds up over the course of a month or season.

McCmann_AquaHoss

June 23rd, 2012
3:18 pm

man man man man…

Something that should have been done this off season, but still has the potential to get done is the acquisition of one Ryan Doumit. He’d be a nice RH BAT OFF THE BENCH, and cheap, who can also spell FREDDIE and MAC against tough lefties. Just feels like we always need that one extra RH bat at the end of every game and we cant use it because we only carry back up catcher. Can a man dream about ROSTER FLEXIBILITY. Something we’ve lacked since the departure of Omar “did he really just pull that” Infante.

Zac in Tempe

June 23rd, 2012
3:18 pm

JD Drew is cancer in the clubhouse. That is why not.

McFann :Ô: :Ô: :ô:

June 23rd, 2012
3:27 pm

Comment count looow and slooow…

Couch Tater

June 23rd, 2012
3:27 pm

Anyone know Heyward’s June numbers against lefties?

Octavius

June 23rd, 2012
3:30 pm

What’s the deal with Medlen starting? He has done been ’stretched out’.

NickB

June 23rd, 2012
3:30 pm

couldn’t find it specific stats for lefties in june

Quack Quack

June 23rd, 2012
3:31 pm

Thanks DOB, great article. JJ was awesome, his word, and I hope he will keep on the right track.

Heyward, Simmons, Prado, WOW!!!

GO BRAVES!!!

Seattle Braves

June 23rd, 2012
3:33 pm

A change is probably the best option for Youk. He would probably better fit for the ChiSox. But a swap to NL might be something to get his juices flowing. I think the Dodgers would be the front runners, then maybe Atlanta…

DOB: Any word on Youk coming to ATL or anywhere else?

Powderfinger

June 23rd, 2012
3:34 pm

McFann—Keep ‘em coming! I need the entertainment…

David O'Brien

June 23rd, 2012
3:34 pm

Braves lineup: Bourn cf, Prado lf, McCann dh, Uggla 2b, Freeman 1b, Jones 3b, Heyward rf, Ross c, Simmons ss (Delgado p)

BFChris27

June 23rd, 2012
3:34 pm

“@98_5SportsHub: #RedSox Kevin Youkilis & Cash Considerations traded to #WhiteSox for Matt Thornton & PTBNL. #MLB” — ok but will miss MT

Robards

June 23rd, 2012
3:34 pm

Wow, Hinske has become Greg Norton.

Seattle Braves

June 23rd, 2012
3:35 pm

I think a few of us on this forum predicted Simmons would be called up and take over starting SS… WOW! This kid is good. I mean Jeter Good.

TheOnlyBravesFan

June 23rd, 2012
3:35 pm

The Braves are not in on the Youkilis discussions, tweets Ken Rosenthal of FOX Sports.

The Red Sox are speaking with multiple clubs and continue to move closer to a deal, reports Ken Rosenthal and Jon Paul Morosi of FOX Sports. The ChiSox have engaged in “heavy dialogue” with Boston but the Dodgers remain in the mix as well. The Sox prefer to trade Youkilis to an NL club

cabravesfan

June 23rd, 2012
3:36 pm

TheOnlyBravesFan

June 23rd, 2012
3:36 pm

wow, they’re giving up Thornton? Wow, guess he goes into the RS pen?

Seattle Braves

June 23rd, 2012
3:37 pm

Thx for the update

TheOnlyBravesFan

June 23rd, 2012
3:37 pm

TheOnlyBravesFan

June 23rd, 2012
3:38 pm

Here’s the exact tweet, from an hour ago: Ken Rosenthal ‏@Ken_Rosenthal
For those asking: Told #Braves not involved in Youkilis discussions.

cabravesfan

June 23rd, 2012
3:39 pm

Watching Royals/Cards…the Royals announcers sound bored

BFChris27

June 23rd, 2012
3:39 pm

Not sure if that trade is confirmed, but sounds likely.

TheOnlyBravesFan

June 23rd, 2012
3:40 pm

What’s the deal with Medlen starting? He has done been ’stretched out’.

They want/need to let JJ have a shot, also, they decided that they don’t need Livan, so Medlen kinda is taking his spot in the pen.

bravesgrl4life

June 23rd, 2012
3:42 pm

Mike Lewis

June 23rd, 2012
3:43 pm

Just FYI DOB…it should read 2-0 count only twice and NO 3-1 or 3-0 for the night!…let us know about Youkilis talk or anything else as soon as possible….inquiring minds want to know…lol.

NickB

June 23rd, 2012
3:44 pm

according to my numbers I have Heyward at 9-24 against lefties in June for a .375 avg

TheOnlyBravesFan

June 23rd, 2012
3:45 pm

Watching Royals/Cards…the Royals announcers sound bored

Why wouldn’t they be? must be tough being a royals fan….

Comment count looow and slooow…

Not anymore!!!!!

Wow, Hinske has become Greg Norton.

Wouldn’t say that yet, but yes, Hinske has looked baaad. He’s not hitting fastballs anymore. That was his bread and butter. Bat seems a little slower, though…

Tomahawkin

June 23rd, 2012
3:46 pm

Why Are People Lusting for the old/injured Slug Youkulis? Wren would be Dumb to dump the farm for him

cabravesfan

June 23rd, 2012
3:46 pm

I had to change the channel. They were annoying me

BFChris27

June 23rd, 2012
3:46 pm

The RS/WS deal isn’t confirmed, but is possible, rather than likely.

Tomahawkin

June 23rd, 2012
3:50 pm

—-Watching Royals/Cards…the Royals announcers sound bored

“Why wouldn’t they be? must be tough being a royals fan….”

Co-Sign! I just Turned it off, and watching Bad Teacher now. OHHHHHI hate the Cardinals, since they get the benefit of playing KC twice every year…

Chipper's ACL

June 23rd, 2012
3:51 pm

I remember at the time of the KC trade how all of the blogger’s where saying Collins couldn’t get it done at his size. Amazing how some people think height is more important than ability and heart. This was a pretty bad trade but doesn’t top the Wren trade of Tex to the Angels for Kotchman and Marek. If the man would’ve just let him walk at season’s end the Braves could have drafted Trout and Skaggs. Now that would have impacted this team for years.

McFann :Ô: :Ô: :ô:

June 23rd, 2012
3:52 pm

Hi, bravesgrl4life & cabravesfan!…

Chris from the Rock

June 23rd, 2012
3:52 pm

I’ll be glad when the Braves are done with this dumb face-a-lefthander-every-other-day nonsense.

McFann :Ô: :Ô: :ô:

June 23rd, 2012
3:52 pm

If Fredi wanted more righties, why isn’t MattE playing?…

McFann :Ô: :Ô: :ô:

June 23rd, 2012
3:53 pm

Chris

I’ll be glad when the Braves are done with this dumb DH-BMac-every-other-day nonsense…

Disgusted

June 23rd, 2012
3:53 pm

Tomahawkin — I doubt that Wren dumps the farm to get anybody, much less an aging injury prone Youk.

I do not see the fit here.

Looking at Wren’s record, he is stubborn about not giving up the farm. And, that has served us well.

Remember how he held the line in not budging during the Jake Peavy rumors three winters ago. Turned out to be the right move Imagine Hanson and Heyward in a Padres uniform. Wren was too smart to bite on that..

Couch Tater

June 23rd, 2012
3:53 pm

Thanks, NickB.

StingerSplash

June 23rd, 2012
3:54 pm

Red Sox radio crew (including the other Dave O’Brien) were very complimentary of Jurrjens last night, raved about how effective his changeup was. They were aghast at Nauert’s strike zone but did take note that the strike zone, though generous, was consistent for both starting pitchers.
They also heaped praise upon one Jones Jr., Larry Wayne, and had some gushing moments about Simmons, Heyward and Freeman.

Swampdog

June 23rd, 2012
3:55 pm

Give Uggla some spinach and step back!
This team is coming back to life. Go Braves!

Disgusted

June 23rd, 2012
3:55 pm

I have said the same thing Chipper’s ACL about that stinking Tex deal with the Angels.

That was one of the mistakes that Wren did make. Proly his worst deal, I would rather have had the picks.

NickB

June 23rd, 2012
3:57 pm

worst thing fans can do is look back and judge trades by how the prospects turned out….. you have to judge trades for the tme they were made. JD Drew trade, good, Tex trade , bad, Ankiel Farnsworth trade, good (we needed both of them) Tex for Kotchman trade, good (no way to know Kotchman would never continue to develop as he had looked good for the Angels)

Swampdog

June 23rd, 2012
3:57 pm

Give Uggla some spinach and step back. These Braves are coming to life!

cabravesfan

June 23rd, 2012
3:57 pm

Disgusted

June 23rd, 2012
3:59 pm

Hinske is not Greg Norton.

I never heard that JD Drew was really a cancer in the clubhouse, not a leader but just goes about his business and plays ball.

He had his best year here, so with a yr off, if he is in any kind of playing shape he is prolly as good as most of who is on the prospective FA list this off sason. (As far as players they can afford).

Blog Monitor

June 23rd, 2012
4:00 pm

Fish fried again..

TheOnlyBravesFan

June 23rd, 2012
4:02 pm

Orioles release Jamie Moyer, who wants him next?

If Fredi wanted more righties, why isn’t MattE playing?…

Matty needs a day off, didn’t he have 3 starts this week? (sarcasm)

Take a look at how the 3spot compares to the rest of the lineup!!! Maybe Fredi will change it soon? Also, don’t know if Freddie Freeman is the answer there, he hit .297 in 91 ABs last year hitting 3rd, but is .232 there in 151 ABs this year. Could be injury, but….


NAME GP AB R H 2B 3B HR RBI BB SO BA OBP SLG OPS
Batting #1 70 303 48 93 14 4 6 22 22 64 .307 .354 .439 .793
Batting #2 70 285 43 92 20 3 6 36 25 36 .323 .377 .477 .854
Batting #3 70 275 37 56 14 2 11 42 30 69 .204 .280 .389 .669
Batting #4 70 244 47 56 11 0 14 44 53 68 .230 .365 .447 .812
Batting #5 70 271 36 68 17 0 5 44 22 62 .251 .311 .369 .680
Batting #6 70 266 34 76 10 1 12 36 23 47 .286 .341 .466 .808
Batting #7 70 258 30 72 13 3 9 36 22 65 .279 .339 .457 .797
Batting #8 70 254 23 68 11 1 5 28 12 50 .268 .299 .378 .677
Batting #9 70 237 20 35 3 1 1 14 15 91 .148 .201 .181 .382

TennBravesFan

June 23rd, 2012
4:03 pm

I like the Braves starting lineup. I dont see that any trades are needed there. The need is for a solid bat off of the bench, and I would still love to add another quality starter as DOB mentioned in his blog. Would really help the rotation, especially if JJ returns to form. As for the bench, Seth Smith anyone???

McFann :Ô: :Ô: :ô:

June 23rd, 2012
4:03 pm

cabravesfan

How’s your trip going?…

Disgusted

June 23rd, 2012
4:03 pm

@Nick B — I was never on board with that deal with the Angels, from day one, I was never a Kotchman fan even in his best Angels days of 2007 and 08 before the trade here

That was a humongeous drop off going from Tex to Kotchman. He was never that good, 11 or 12 HRS and 60 something RBIs is never acceptable for a first baseman. Unless he hits .350 and drives in 90 and has 40-50 doubles I do not want by first baseman being a 10 HR guy.

McFann :Ô: :Ô: :ô:

June 23rd, 2012
4:04 pm

TOBF Matty needs a day off, didn’t he have 3 starts this week? (sarcasm)

Ha! Glad you added the sarcasm thing—I was about to attack you with, “Yeah, well, SO HAS ROSS!!! :evil: “…

:mrgreen:

NickB

June 23rd, 2012
4:06 pm

He was young and a lot of scouts predicted he would be a Mark Grace type of producer at 1st, he eventually did that last year, but in atlanta he had some family issues and never really played well.

I would have preferred they just took the draft picks too, but in baseball, you never know how players are going to turn out

TheOnlyBravesFan

June 23rd, 2012
4:07 pm

seth smith is a lefty who has a bad career line against lefties…. isn’t our OF left-handed enough? would prefer a RH bat off the bench

cabravesfan

June 23rd, 2012
4:08 pm

McFann-

Not leaving for a bit yet- VJ’s at work until 1:30

McFann :Ô: :Ô: :ô:

June 23rd, 2012
4:09 pm

cabravesfan

Oh yeah! The time thing! I’m such an airhead… :roll:

Well, if I don’t see you before you leave, have fun!…

cabravesfan

June 23rd, 2012
4:10 pm

McFann-

Thanks!

Couch Tater

June 23rd, 2012
4:10 pm

The door opened on to a tube-shaped hall like a tunnel: a very comfortable tunnel without smoke, with panelled walls, and floors tiled and carpeted, provided with polished chairs, and lots and lots of pegs for hats and coats – the hobbit was fond of visitors. The tunnel wound on and on, going fairly but not quite straight into the side of the hill. – J R R Tolken, The Hobbit.

I really wanted Tim Collins and Kris Midlen on the team, together. Fire Wren!

NickB

June 23rd, 2012
4:14 pm

Fire Wren huh? that’s not a very smart idea

man has rebuilt our ravaged farm system, made excellent trades , and hasn’t made any more misjudgments than any other GM in baseball. Player projections are difficult, and there was no way to tell Nate was gonna stink, what Kawakami would do in MLB, nor that Lowe would start to suck.

The Francisco deal was worth the risk, a high upside power guy for a relief arm who was never going to be on the Braves staff…. I bet we still get value for Francisco. he’s young, cheap and has raw power, there’s value there for a non-contender who needs corner infield help

Disgusted

June 23rd, 2012
4:15 pm

That is so true Nick B. Somtimes the prospects turn out to be better than expected.

Did we really think that Mc Cann would be as much of a heavy hitter as he turned out to be????

Thought he would be good, but I think he has been better than expected. The lone Baby Brave left and I hope he can stay after ‘13, but that is a horse than has bee beaten over and over again, hey, that is the way the business of the game is.

Tomahawkin

June 23rd, 2012
4:16 pm

@Disgusted

Bout Time for a new Moniker name eh?

How about something origional and funny? like Smellysac???

CaptainMudd

June 23rd, 2012
4:17 pm

Hi to all–hope things are going as expected for everybody; cabravesfan___has ole VJ been served his birthday cake yet?

Disgusted

June 23rd, 2012
4:17 pm

Wren has been a good GM overall, look where we were at the end of 2008 and what we have been with FW under a limited budget.

At least the Braves have mattered since 09. We could have been a team in big big decline that was on the way to obscurity.

Still mad about Sept of last yr but that was not FW’s fault.

Disgusted

June 23rd, 2012
4:18 pm

No Tomahawkin — the Disgusted moniker stays the same from here on end.

When free agency and agents go away the name stays. And that ain;t happening.

NickB

June 23rd, 2012
4:18 pm

Mac will be here, Bethancourt will never hit enough to be a big time starting catcher, there is the chance he follows the Yadier Molina path and develops at the big league level as his defense is very very good and he WILL get a starting job somewhere. Ross is old, and gets exposed as a starter (as we saw when mac had the flu) The Braves will spend the $$$ and give him the 5 yr $75 mill he will want and everything will be fine. will it be an overpay? probably a little bit, but when compared with the rest of his career, it will work out for both sides

Couch Tater

June 23rd, 2012
4:20 pm

A joke, NickB. A joke.

bravesgrl4life

June 23rd, 2012
4:21 pm

cabravesfan, I must be out of the loop. Where are you and VJ headed to?

CaptainMudd

June 23rd, 2012
4:22 pm

@NickB………..agree on that Franscisco ‘take,’ I don’t think that guy has really been pushed to reach his potential….and, as with many others that I will not call out; he could do more off-season conditioning.

NickB

June 23rd, 2012
4:22 pm

any GM who can get Jurrjens, Bourn, Uggla and Vasquez for pieces parts and utility players is fine with me

remember how he traded flowers and some parts for Vasquez and Logan, then used Vasquez to get Vizcaino Dunn and Melky? then used Dunn and Infate for Uggla? yet we kept the star attraction (Vizcaino)

guy knows how to make high value trades

Tomahawkin

June 23rd, 2012
4:22 pm

Huge, Huge Win Last Night! That start by Double J, might be the turning point of the season

I got flashbacks last night of 2005 Kyle Davies Domination at Fenway

“Shyt was Awesome! I loved it”

NickB

June 23rd, 2012
4:23 pm

@ couch tater

ohh, sorry man, I hear it said with feeling on here so often I just assumed you were “one of those”

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