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nolie
June 21st, 2012
12:49 pm
Prado for Willy and Diamond? Really? NWIH
Woody Woodward
June 21st, 2012
12:51 pm
He whined about not being wanted, Gil. Showed a weak spirit for a guy who needed to work out a lot of shyt. Thats why I say it’ll be interesting to see how success, if he has it, will be received by his teammates. Not sure we’ll get the answer to that question in the papers, but I’d love to know if they give a warm welcome.
Duke
June 21st, 2012
12:53 pm
Frankie Wren,
You want to trade one of our best all around players for Willingham and Diamond? Seriously? No way dude. Prado is too valuable too us.
TheOnlyBravesFan
June 21st, 2012
12:59 pm
Frankie Wren: WHOA!!! Really? No way… Prado’s too valuable to this team to trade him
nolie
June 21st, 2012
12:59 pm
I like Willingham as much or more than anybody here and have talked about getting him for years, but even so, a few too much health risk with that back to give up Prado for him
cabravesfan
June 21st, 2012
12:59 pm
And you wonder why players always give cookie cutter answers to the media. Anytime anyone displays the slightest hint they are not totally happy, people call them whiners. So JJ said he felt somewhat unwanted- I think that’s pretty normal and honest, not whiny. Mike Minor said if the Braves didn’t have a place for him, maybe it was time to move on. To me, that’s not whining, it’s someone wanting the chance to be a starter in the majors because he is confident that he can be. It’s honest.
(Woody, I apologize that this post may come off as jumping on you directly. I DO NOT mean it that way! I know there are a lot of folks that feel the same way you do, and I did use your post as a jumping off point but I do not want to make you think I am trying to start an argument with you
)
ChattTownBrian
June 21st, 2012
1:00 pm
If Jurrjens had spent as much enery working on his pitching as he did on his whining skills then he might’ve already been with the big team.
brian
June 21st, 2012
1:00 pm
agree with your post cab
Gil in Mechanicsville
June 21st, 2012
1:01 pm
Woody No denying JJ was whining but he is still a kid, not some grizzled vet. Shoot, Chipper was whining too and he knows better. Balked at going to rehab and then says, well, I’m rusty”.. Yes, we know that, it is why they wanted him to go to get some reps. You can’t have it both ways….
Jair was a much better pitcher for two years than anyone expected. Unless his shoulder has gone bad, I expect for him to return to form. I think the real question should be, what has changed with JJ to cause such a drop off?
ChattTownBrian
June 21st, 2012
1:03 pm
Chipper is honest, not a whiner. JJ was honest, but he’s a whiner.
Yeah I agree cab. All about who says it pretty much.
Lee in S GA
June 21st, 2012
1:04 pm
Hopefully Jack Wilson will start whining not getting more starts and the Braves front office will release him.
Frankie Wren
June 21st, 2012
1:04 pm
Okay might be right about getting more for Prado than just the two guys mentioned. Marteen isn’t untouchable on this team though. J Hey, Freeman, Simmons, Teheran, Delgado(and forgot to mention Kimbrel earlier) the only guys considered untouchable IMO. Prado is a big trade chip if they were ever to do anything big.
Jeff R
June 21st, 2012
1:05 pm
Wren has been much better about not going up the store for a player in a trade than Schuerholz was toward the end of his tenure.
I think Wren would be willing to surrender good value for Garza, but not just shovel talent the Cubs’ way.
David
June 21st, 2012
1:06 pm
Before the Braves start thinking about making any trades they need to change some aspects of their team in house. First thing would be switch Minor with Medlen. Everyone is trying to figure out what is wrong with Mike Minor. It is very simple he can’t pitch more than 4 innings. He has shown he can go through the batting order once and pitch extremely effective, but after that it is a complete nightmare. So why not use him as a long reliever and bring Medlen into the rotation. Now the second thing they need to do is cut either Francisco or Diaz I don’t care which one and bring up Constanza. Diaz and Francisco have continually shown they are no help to this team whatsoever. Constanza on the other hand has shown time and time again that he can help this team win. The dynamic he brings along with Bourn can’t be matched. And I’m starting to think he is some kind of good luck charm. He started in 28 games last year. We went 18-10 in that stretch, then he stopped getting playing time and we all know what happened after that. This year he has started in 8 games. Our record in that stretch is 7-1. Something about this guy brings great energy to our team. He is a career .300 hitter in the minors, he is a career .300 hitter in the majors. Stop limiting this guy and let him play.
Jeff R
June 21st, 2012
1:06 pm
No doubt Jurrjens’ discipline and work ethic have been concerns.
Ease
June 21st, 2012
1:06 pm
Can’t believe that cab jumped all over Woody like that…
Then had the audacity to use a smiley after it. Talk about sending mixed signals…
ChattTownBrian
June 21st, 2012
1:06 pm
Listening to the pre game radio show interview with Chipper and sounded in slown motion. He talks with a slow draw anyways, but he sounded doped up on pain killers.
DAP
June 21st, 2012
1:07 pm
frankie wren Love Marteen but one of our tradechips only.
no sir.
nolie
June 21st, 2012
1:08 pm
not untouchable, but given the versatility and options that he provides combined with an 800+ OPS, I think it takes a pretty big deal to turn him
Woody Woodward
June 21st, 2012
1:08 pm
All I’m saying is that the mental part of a rehab process is huge. I understand he’s a young man and that no one’s perfect. But contrast jurrgens with Heyward’s attitude last year; his travails were at least as harsh. I guess the bottom line is always that you do whats required to get back in the game. We shall see. And I wish him well for his sake and ours.
Duke
June 21st, 2012
1:09 pm
Prado for Willingham and Diamond…Horrid idea.
Trading for Freddy Garcia…..Miserable idea.
Two absurd ideas coming from Frankie Wren….No more ideas should be posted from this blogger…
TheOnlyBravesFan
June 21st, 2012
1:09 pm
Jack Wilson is a good guy, he doesn’t whine.
Not feeling confident about JJ, not expecting much. His AAA stats aren’t great. Maybe he wasn’t whining, but you’ve got to show some results before opening your mouth. Wasn’t impressed with Minor’s play me/trade me talk, but he at least was pitching well from last year and ST when he said it…
brian
June 21st, 2012
1:11 pm
Francoeur = whiner.
Jurrjens may have pouted a little but he has been down in the minors for a while and did not cause trouble for the team
TheOnlyBravesFan
June 21st, 2012
1:12 pm
No doubt Jurrjens’ discipline and work ethic have been concerns.
Definitely…. has been for a while now, imo
He (Constanza) is a career .300 hitter in the minors, he is a career .300 hitter in the majors. Stop limiting this guy and let him play.
Constanza ain’t starting over any of our outfielders right now, as we’re healthy. He doesn’t help much sitting on the bench…
cabravesfan
June 21st, 2012
1:13 pm
Minor didn’t exactly DEMAND he be traded. Just said that maybe, if the Braves didn’t believe he had a place in the rotation, it would be better for both sides if he moved on. Which makes sense if you think about it. If they didn’t want him, why keep him when they could have gotten someone they DID want?
DAP
June 21st, 2012
1:14 pm
i actually think jj is going to come up with a good start on friday.
cabravesfan
June 21st, 2012
1:15 pm
Stop limiting this guy and let him play.
Not sure how sitting on the bench would be helpful…
nolie
June 21st, 2012
1:15 pm
Georgie is NOT a career 300 hitter in the bigs
Frankie Wren
June 21st, 2012
1:16 pm
“Two absurd ideas coming from Frankie Wren….No more ideas should be posted from this blogger…”
Lol. Put the GM hat for this season Duke, what should they do? To be honest, I am really not looking ahead to next season, I want to win this year. What deals and who get made this year to make that happen? Having the youngsters pitching as you said isn’t going to get it done. Front line starter? Who is that and for who?
ncscoots
June 21st, 2012
1:16 pm
So JJ said he felt somewhat unwanted- I think that’s pretty normal and honest, not whiny. Mike Minor said if the Braves didn’t have a place for him, maybe it was time to move on. To me, that’s not whining,
I don’t consider it whining, if the guy makes the remarks with some anger in his tone and a p***ed-off look on his face. That’s the famous “grit” that so many here adore. In other words, “They don’t want me? Bleep ‘em. Trade my azz, then, and I’ll shove it up theirs every chance I get later.”
On the other hand, if the guy has his head down, scuffs at the dirt, and has the slightest trickle of a tear in the corner of his eye (even if it’s a virtual tear), that’s whining. A condition eminently recognizable to many here.
The first guy, you figure out how to keep. The second guy, you dump before he infects anybody else.
nolie
June 21st, 2012
1:17 pm
I think JJ is gonna sukk bilgewater….
but I wouldn’t mind too much being wrong about that
Frankie Wren
June 21st, 2012
1:17 pm
Get Keppinger or Zolbrist from the Rays helps with strengthening bench and providing more flexibility. God forbid if Uggla needs a day off.
David
June 21st, 2012
1:18 pm
@TheOnlyBravesFan I wasn’t saying let him start. But when Chipper is out of the lineup which is about every other day, I would want Constanza in the lineup every single time. He is to valuable of a player to keep in the minors.
Frankie Wren
June 21st, 2012
1:19 pm
“think JJ is gonna sukk bilgewater….
but I wouldn’t mind too much being wrong about that ”
Maybe he pulls a Kyle Davies effort in Fenway and changes the season around. Maybe I win powerball this season. Maybe Kate Upton marries my son someday…..
Ease
June 21st, 2012
1:19 pm
Who needs Lew when you got scoots painting such a vivid image with his words…
Bleep ‘em indeed…
nolie
June 21st, 2012
1:19 pm
why would the Rays wanna get rid of either and what in the world do we have that they would be interested in at that level?
cabravesfan
June 21st, 2012
1:20 pm
Constanza is .250/.250/.531 this year. Not exactly eye opening…
David
June 21st, 2012
1:21 pm
@nolie Sorry he is .291. Happy now…
nolie
June 21st, 2012
1:21 pm
scoots and haggard… wordsmiths extraordinaire
TheOnlyBravesFan
June 21st, 2012
1:21 pm
Prediction for JJ tomorrow: The same one I had for him in his first four starts….
3.2 IP, 6 Runs, 8 Hits, 1K, 2BB.
Hope I’m wrong, but not expecting it. Wouldn’t mind being wrong,but then that just means he’s teasing us until his next start….
Ease
June 21st, 2012
1:21 pm
Ryan Doumit.
PDOG
June 21st, 2012
1:22 pm
Key for the Braves pitching his Moylan, if he can come back after the all star break and take Medlin’s role in the pen then the Braves can move Medlin into the starting rotation if JJ, Minor or Delgado falters. If JJ does well then your bullpen becomes lock down with both Moylan, Medlin and the big three.
Duke
June 21st, 2012
1:22 pm
Frankie Wren,
I’m obviously waiting a few weeks and seeing what has transpired in the rotation. I still think that Medlen should be in the rotation and that we would be better served going for some relief help than looking for a starting pitcher when we have so many options in our back yard. Are they veterans that have proven themselves? No, but don’t you have to be given the chance to do that? If we go the route of getting a reliever, then we look for bench help as well. I do think that Willingham would be a great addition, as he will get plenty of playing time and would be our best bench bat. By adding him, we would never see Diaz in the OF and he would be our PH off the bench vs. lefties. Makes us a deeper team.
nolie
June 21st, 2012
1:23 pm
sure, why post wrong info?
and he would be way under that soon if he was up here again. once they got the book on him last season, it was over for him then and he was terrible this season. all they gotta do is pound him with power and he is toast except for the occasional infield hit
TheOnlyBravesFan
June 21st, 2012
1:23 pm
cab: small sample size….
cabravesfan
June 21st, 2012
1:24 pm
TheOnlyBravesFan-
Well, considering Constanza only has 54 total games in the majors…
Ease
June 21st, 2012
1:24 pm
Atlanta Braves @Braves
Brandon Beachy underwent successful “Tommy John” surgery today to reconstruct the partially torn UCL in his right elbow.
Duke
June 21st, 2012
1:24 pm
David,
There is a reason Constanza is in the minors. Because he is not too valuable to be there. Let’s be serious, he was a great spark plug last year, but that was his big contribution in the big leagues. Let’s leave it at that.
Ease
June 21st, 2012
1:25 pm
Atlanta Braves @Braves
The operation was performed in Gulf Breeze, Fla., by Dr. James Andrews.
nolie
June 21st, 2012
1:25 pm
trouble with peter is that he is a roogy, one of the most frustrating pitching creatures in captivity….
Ease
June 21st, 2012
1:26 pm
Atlanta Braves @Braves
Double-A Mississippi catcher Christian Bethancourt will represent the Braves on the World Roster in the SiriusXM All-Star Futures Game in KC
George Stein
June 21st, 2012
1:27 pm
Gotta let the Costanza thing go. He had three hot weeks and has sucked ever since. He might be a fourth OF (which is optimistic), but shouldn’t play over any of the current starters.
Trading Prado is nuts, unless Evan Longoria is coming back.
nolie
June 21st, 2012
1:27 pm
what is “unsuccessful” TJ surgery? do they hand the guy back the lower half of his arm with an apology and a box of chocolates?
David
June 21st, 2012
1:27 pm
@cabravesfan He has only had 32 at bats, he has to be giving a chance. Diaz and Francisco have gotten their chance and have proven to be no help.
TheOnlyBravesFan
June 21st, 2012
1:28 pm
I say trade Constanza and Spruill for Willingham. Geez!
The way some people talk about Constanza makes me think they’re just as unknowledgeable as my dad about the Braves players. He thinks Constanza needs to be starting, and so does JJ. Really???
ncscoots
June 21st, 2012
1:28 pm
trouble with peter is that he is a roogy, one of the most frustrating pitching creatures in captivity…
…and one certainly should not expect that Moylan can take Medlen’s current bullpen role. Just not capable of doing that.
Ease
June 21st, 2012
1:28 pm
For real nolie…
nolie
June 21st, 2012
1:29 pm
he had a chance, he sukked. he will likely never get another any different than the short little fill in he got this season, if any at all
cabravesfan
June 21st, 2012
1:29 pm
Actually, he’s had 141 at bats total…
TheOnlyBravesFan
June 21st, 2012
1:29 pm
what is “unsuccessful” TJ surgery? do they hand the guy back the lower half of his arm with an apology and a box of chocolates?
LOL
ncscoots
June 21st, 2012
1:31 pm
what is “unsuccessful” TJ surgery? do they hand the guy back the lower half of his arm with an apology and a box of chocolates?
Doc: “Well, we were unable to transplant that particular ligament into your elbow, and we can’t try again until we find a dead baboon with an organ donor card.”
Bat Masterson
June 21st, 2012
1:32 pm
Now the second thing they need to do is cut either Francisco or Diaz I don’t care which one and bring up Constanza. Diaz and Francisco have continually shown they are no help to this team whatsoever. _ David
Diaz, really? I don’t give a damn about Francisco but I don’t see how people can have a beef with Diaz. His job is to hit lefties and he does.
Shaun
June 21st, 2012
1:32 pm
Why would the Rays trade Zobrist, an extremely undervalued player? They aren’t likely to get back what he’s worth, he’s signed through next season with team options for the next two season, and the Rays are a contender.
Duke
June 21st, 2012
1:34 pm
Diaz is doing his job. No reason for Diaz to be let go.
David
June 21st, 2012
1:34 pm
I said 32 at at bats this year. And once again no I am not saying Constanza should be a starter, I would not put him in front of any of our starting outfielders. But I would put him in front of Diaz and Francisco coming in the game every time, and even Hinske. Our record of 25-11 with him starting is not a fluke. He helps this team win then most people realize. He will get a starting job one day with another team and it will all be clear to everyone when that happens.
TheOnlyBravesFan
June 21st, 2012
1:35 pm
The great Jose Constanza is hitting .289/.354/.382/.736 for this entire AAA year
In his last 10 AAA games: .256/.275/.333/.608
Wow!!! He needs to start every day…
David O'Brien
June 21st, 2012
1:36 pm
Beachy’s Tommy John surgery deemed “successful” by Dr. Andrews, Braves announced. (I’m can’t recall an “unsuccessful” TJ surgery announcement, or any such announcement for any surgery for that matter.)
Efrim
June 21st, 2012
1:37 pm
Nick (Yuma)
The Rockies are really, really bad. That is all.
Klaw (1:14 PM)
They’re about 40 games under .500 since the 2010 All-Star Break. And yet the manager was promised employment until the heat death of the universe.
Poor folks in Denver. O’Dowd stinks. So does Tracy.
TheOnlyBravesFan
June 21st, 2012
1:37 pm
He will get a starting job one day with another team and it will all be clear to everyone when that happens.
Where, Japan? Mexico? Cuba? It’s not happening here unless he’s playing for a 100-game loser. This guy isn’t starting on any contending team.
btw, really surprised I’m not getting blasted for my JJ predictions… thought more people would defend him!
cabravesfan
June 21st, 2012
1:38 pm
Makes you wonder why no team has tried to acquire him…
David
June 21st, 2012
1:38 pm
@theonlybravesfan Once again i never said he should start, I like how everyone likes to twists my words. JUST SO WE ARE CLEAR, I “DAVID” HAS NEVER SAID THAT JOSE CONSTANZA SHOULD BE A STARTER FOR THE ATLANTA BRAVES.
Shaun
June 21st, 2012
1:39 pm
If Constanza gets are starting job, it will become clear that he’s basically Gregor Blanco without the plate discipline or Matt Young with more speed or something like that, if we’re reaching for comps.
nolie
June 21st, 2012
1:39 pm
if we carried a 5th OFer, Georgie would be great,
cabravesfan
June 21st, 2012
1:39 pm
TheOnlyBravesFan-
I didn’t see them before- I think JJ will be better than that.
TheOnlyBravesFan
June 21st, 2012
1:40 pm
Brandon had successful TJ surgery…. saw it on Twitter
Bat Masterson
June 21st, 2012
1:40 pm
He will get a starting job one day with another team and it will all be clear to everyone when that happens.
Yeah sure. Is the league expanding by 6 or 8 teams and I missed the news somehow.
I see no point in bashing Biff. He’s come up and helped out some, best he can I would say. He’s played better D in left this year if you ask me, still, he can’t hit. Not his fault, just the way it is. He goes hard and does not complain that I’ve ever heard of.
nolie
June 21st, 2012
1:41 pm
always kinda liked Blanco as a backup
Duke
June 21st, 2012
1:41 pm
David did say that when Constanza is given a chance with another team that we will all see… Which is just a moronic as suggesting he should be starting for the Braves. So either way, you did say at least one dumb thing.
Duke
June 21st, 2012
1:43 pm
I do love how Georgie kisses the bat though… That alone may get him a job somewhere…
ncscoots
June 21st, 2012
1:43 pm
if we carried a 5th OFer, Georgie would be great,
If you’re carrying a 30-man roster, maybe.
Even so, there would still be the possibility that he might actually end up in the batter’s box, somehow, during a game. I’d find that to be “OK” only if the Mayans are right.
David
June 21st, 2012
1:44 pm
If Constanza didn’t play at that one stretch last year, there never would have been an epic collapse because we wouldn’t have been leading the wild card. Can’t believe how disrespectful some of you are to this guys talent.
TheOnlyBravesFan
June 21st, 2012
1:44 pm
He goes hard and does not complain that I’ve ever heard of.
Why not? He should be feeling unwanted….
nolie
June 21st, 2012
1:45 pm
just didn’t wanna be a “hater” scoots….
George Stein
June 21st, 2012
1:45 pm
I see no point in bashing Biff. He’s come up and helped out some, best he can I would say. He’s played better D in left this year if you ask me, still, he can’t hit. Not his fault, just the way it is. He goes hard and does not complain that I’ve ever heard of.
I could not agree more.
Bat Masterson
June 21st, 2012
1:46 pm
Smells the bat, then licks it. That’s even better than Melky having an in game snack off of his.
ncscoots
June 21st, 2012
1:46 pm
Can’t believe how disrespectful some of you are to this guys talent.
Just grouchy curmudgeons envious of his talent, man. It’s something we’ll have to deal with on the way to making ourselves better men.
Efrim
June 21st, 2012
1:46 pm
Larry (Ohio)
Who do you consider the best defensive SS in MLB today? And do you think Simmons has the potential to be the best?
Klaw (1:26 PM)
On tools alone, it’s Simmons.
Shaun
June 21st, 2012
1:47 pm
nolie, I like Blanco too. He’s a much more disciplined hitter and a better fielder than Constanza, even though he has no power. My point was that you take away the plate discipline (and the glove) and you’re left with Constanza, which isn’t a compliment.
nolie
June 21st, 2012
1:48 pm
KLaw couldn’t have said that, he hates the Braves…
Duke
June 21st, 2012
1:48 pm
David,
No one said that we weren’t appreciative of what Georgie did last year. All we are saying is he is not much of a hitter once the teams have a scouting report on him. And they do…
Efrim
June 21st, 2012
1:48 pm
Constanza is a 5th outfielder, imo. Just not a significant player.
Ease
June 21st, 2012
1:49 pm
Funny joke Efrim…
ncscoots
June 21st, 2012
1:49 pm
KLaw couldn’t have said that, he hates the Braves…
Smokescreen. He likes to lob one of those in there every once in a while, just to fake out Braves’ fans.
David
June 21st, 2012
1:49 pm
I never realized there would be so many haters out there after my first post. All I wanted to say was Constanza should be our 4th OF guy. He would help this team win games which he has shown in the past he can do.
Efrim
June 21st, 2012
1:50 pm
Braves lone representative at the Futures Game will be Christian Bethancourt. No Teheran this year – makes sense since he’s appeared in two straight and could very well be pitching in the majors around the time of the game.
cabravesfan
June 21st, 2012
1:51 pm
I like Constanza- always have. But if the Braves really thought he could be valuable to the team, long term, he’d be on the team long term…
Efrim
June 21st, 2012
1:52 pm
Take a look at the U.S. roster’s starting pitchers:
Matt Barnes, rhp
Trevor Bauer, rhp
Dylan Bundy, rhp
Gerrit Cole, rhp
Danny Hultzen, lhp
Alex Meyer, rhp
Jake Odorizzi, rhp
Jameson Taillon, rhp
Taijuan Walker, rhp
Zack Wheeler, rhp
Mercy. That just isn’t fair.
nolie
June 21st, 2012
1:52 pm
I don’t hate Georgie, I don’t think anybody does. he would be a good 5th OFer, we just don’t carry one. He shouldn’t beat out Diaz because Matt at least hits lefties well, Georgie can’t hit anybody well.
Bat Masterson
June 21st, 2012
1:54 pm
All I wanted to say was Constanza should be our 4th OF guy.
Well what you said was he should play over Diaz, every time. A guy that has over 1000 PAs against lefties and kills them.
ncscoots
June 21st, 2012
1:55 pm
Mercy. That just isn’t fair.
I want the insurance concession on that pitching roster, LOL.