Beachy is crisis du jour, as Braves’ hitting woes deepen
NEW YORK -- Brandon Beachy has a partial ligament tear in his elbow and could be done for the season, so pitching becomes the most-talked-about Braves crisis of the moment.
But the truth remains, they’ve pitched well enough lately to win most games if they’d produced more than a modicum of offense.
Large and in charge: CC Sabathia on Monday became the second pitcher in three days to throw a complete game in a win vs. the Braves.
First, the Beachy situation: Unless we hear something unexpected from Dr. James Andrews when he visits the renowned surgeon on Wednesday, I’m not expecting him back this season.
There have been cases where surgery has been avoided when the ulnar collateral ligament is only partially torn, including the Braves’ own Arodys Vizcaino. He missed much of the 2010 minor league season after a partial UCL tear diagnosis, but returned at the end of the season and made his big-league debut in 2011, throwing in the upper-90 mph range.
But Vizcaino ended up having “Tommy John” surgery this spring when the ligament was re-torn.
You have to wonder if the Braves, with a starter as valuable as Beachy, would even consider having him come back without surgery unless they were advised that there was a real strong chance of recovery without it. If I had to guess, he’ll be having TJ surgery and aim for a June-July 2013 return.
But again, that’s just an educated guess, based on the many other pitchers who’ve had UCL tears, partial or full, on all the major league teams I’ve covered. Most pitchers, especially younger ones, come back as good or better than before after the surgery. It’s a shame, however, that what was shaping up as a breakout season for Beachy is apparently going to end before it could really take flight.
As of today, among qualifying starters his 2.00 ERA is tied for the major league lead with Mets knuckleballer R.A. Dickey, and Beachy’s .171 opponents’ average is the majors’ lowest.
Beachy has a partially torn elbow ligament and may have thrown his last pitch of the season.
Braves starters rank a disappointing 13th in the NL in both ERA (4.12) and opponents’ average (.242). Other than Beachy, the rest of the starters’ collective ERA is 4.67. The Astros (4.68) and Rockies (6.28) have the worst starters ERAs in the league.
Mike Minor, after coming apart in a three-run fifth inning to blow a 2-0 lead on Monday against the Yankees, has a 6.04 ERA (second-worst in the NL, better than only Tim Lincecum’s 6.19 – yes, Linceum). While Beachy’s .259 opponents’ slugging percentage is second-best in the league behind Gio Gonzalez (.248), Minor’s .484 is the league’s fifth-highest.
Also, with runners in scoring position and two outs, Minor has allowed a .320 average (8-for-25) with six extra-base hits including two homers, 17 RBI, and a .500 OBP.
Of the 184 runs Braves pitchers have surrendered this season, 122 have come with two out. Yikes.
If Beachy is done for the year, or even if it’s just most of the year, will the Braves step up the pursuit of a proven pitcher via trade? I think they have to. I mean, they’ll give Jair Jurrjens another try on Friday at Boston, and if he somehow returns to form he’d certainly be a nice, easy answer to filling a big hole in the rotation.
But seriously, what has Jurrjens done since last year’s All-Star break to give anyone confidence that he can be even a decent major league pitcher on a consistent basis for the rest of this season? Not to mention a top-of-the-rotation type of contributor.
Another in-house option is, of course, Kris Medlen, who was sent to Triple-A a few weeks ago to get stretched out to become a starter, then brought back as a reliever after Minor and Randall Delgado made progress in the interim. But now, with Jurrjens out, can the Braves afford not to move Medlen back to the rotation? (Again, barring a major turnaround from Jurrjens.)
I asked Braves GM Frank Wren a couple of days ago for a general idea of how long Medlen could stay “stretched out” and ready to start if they wanted to move him to the rotation, without having to go back to the minors and do the stretching-out thing again.
“I think for several weeks,” Wren said. “He may not be able to go seven or eight, but I think you could put him in and he could throw five any time in the next three or four weeks and it would not be an issue. Then you stretch him up here.”
Minor is young and talented, but right now the Braves don't know what they're going to get from inning to inning, much less start to start from the left-hander. (AP photo)
Still, that makes the bullpen weaker, the reason the Braves gave for not moving Medlen from the ‘pen in the first place.
So….
The Braves have prospects they want to keep stockpiled in their system, but they might just have to part with one or two in a deal for a pitcher if they hope to make a strong playoff push the rest of the way.
Of the pitchers who are known to be available, such as a Ryan Dempster (currently on the DL), the only way the Braves could probably fit him into their budget is by giving up higher-level of prospects in order for the other team to eat more of the remaining salary than it would prefer.
So it’ll be a situation where the Braves either have to go over their budget – they say they, not Libery Media, sets the payroll limit, so they can presumably go over it – or else give up some of their prospect talent to get a deal done.
The division race is still wide open, because the first-place Nationals have lost three in a row and the rest of the division has done this in its past 10 games: second-place Mets (4-6), third-place Braves (3-7), fourth-place Marlins (2-8) and last-place Phillies (3-7).
The remarkably erratic Braves – if they’re not surging, chances are good they’re slumping, with no middle-ground periods – are still three games above .500 and only 4-1/2 games out of first place in the East, and as of today they are one game behind the Mets and a half-game behind Pittsburgh for the second wild-card spot (San Francisco would be your wild-card leader as of today).
But we’ve got 95 – count ‘em, ninety-five – games to play. So much can happen, for the Braves and the teams ahead (and behind) them.
If they don’t want it to be a very long summer at Turner Field, the Braves need to figure out how to get their offense out of its frequent funks a lot faster than they’ve been able to so far, and they need to figure out a real plan to get their starting rotation back to being one of the better ones in the league, instead of one of the worst.
BRAVES LINEUP
- Bourn CF
- Prado LF
- McCann C
- Uggla 2B
- Freeman 1B
- Jones 3B
- Heyward RF
- Simmons SS
- Hinske DH
(Hudson pitching)
• About that woeful offense: We started this blog by stating that as much as the pitching situation is the crisis du jour, it’s the offense that’s really been more responsible for the recent woes.
To wit: The Braves are 1-7 with a .244 batting average in past eight games, and have scored just 12 runs in their past seven games. They’ve been homerless in six of past eight.
Atlanta is 9-16 with a .234 batting average and 4.13 ERA in its past 25 games. The Braves scored 84 runs in those games including 29 in three games, meaning they totaled just 55 in the other 22 games in that stretch. That’s 2-1/2 per game.
Michael Bourn had another multi-hit game Monday night, but the Nos. 2-6 hitters were a combined 1-for-19 with one RBI for the Braves. And that’s a microcosm of the state of things during their current slump, when even Martin Prado and Dan Uggla have struggled, two of the only three Braves lineup regulars who’ve had strong seasons (along with Bourn).
– Uggla has hit .120 with no homers and no RBIs in past eight games, after hitting .316 with five homers and 16 RBIs in his previous 12.
– Jason Heyward has one RBI, one walk, seven strikeouts and a .296 OBP in his past eight games
– Prado has hit .211 with no extra-base hits, one RBI and one walk in his past nine games.
– Chipper Jones doesn’t have an extra-base hit or RBI since his May 18 lower-leg injury. He’s hit .179 with a .281 OBP and .179 slugging percentage in 28 at-bats over his past nine games (eight starts) including the game when he was hurt.
Meanwhile Bourn keeps hitting. The leadoff man has hit .366 in his past 17 games with eight extra-base hits (two homers), seven RBIs, five walks, .408 OBP and a .549 slugging percentage.
And think about this hard-to-fathom stat: The Braves’ two highest slugging percentages belong to rookie shortstop Simmons (.529, albeit only 51 at-bats) and leadoff man Bourn (.456). I mean, seriously….
Next-highest slugging percentages among the regulars are Uggla (.451) and Prado (.445).
Here’s one more stat I find telling: Simmons (.412, 7-for-17) is only Braves player hitting above .288 in the seventh inning or later. Everyone else but Prado (.288) hitting .270 or lower in the late innings, including Heyward (.218) and McCann (.145, 8-for-55 with one RBI).
• Damn Yankees: The Yankees have a 1.89 ERA and 52 runs, 17 homers during their current 10-game winning streak, including four wins against Atlanta in which they’ve hit six homers and outscored the Braves 15-8.
The Braves are now 0-6 with a 5.60 ERA in their past six regular-season games against the Yankees, and 0-7 in their past seven postseason games against the Yankees.
Overall, Atlanta is 10-16 in regular-season games against the Yankees and 9-15 in postseason games against them.
• Let’s close with an ‘80s-era classic from the bard Bob Dylan, which you can hear by clicking here.
“JOKERMAN” by Bob Dylan
Standing on the water, casting your bread
While the eyes of the idol with the iron head are glowing
Distant ships sailing into the mist
You were born with a snake in both of your fists while a hurricane was blowing
Freedom just around the corner for you
But with truth so far off, what good will it do.
Jokerman dance to the nightingale tune
Bird fly high by the light of the moon
Oh, oh, oh, Jokerman.
So swiftly the sun sets in the sky
You rise up and say goodbye to no one
Fools rush in where angels fear to tread
Both of their futures, so full of dread, you don’t show one
Shedding off one more layer of skin
Keeping one step ahead of the persecutor within.
Jokerman dance to the nightingale tune
Bird fly high by the light of the moon
Oh, oh, oh, Jokerman.
You’re a man of the mountains, you can walk on the clouds
Manipulator of crowds, you’re a dream twister
You’re going to Sodom and Gomorrah
But what do you care ? Ain’t nobody there would want marry your sister
Friend to the martyr, a friend to the woman of shame
You look into the fiery furnace, see the rich man without any name.
Jokerman dance to the nightingale tune
Bird fly high by the light of the moon
Oh, oh, oh, Jokerman.
Well, the Book of Leviticus and Deuteronomy
The law of the jungle and the sea are your only teachers
In the smoke of the twilight on a milk-white steed
Michelangelo indeed could’ve carved out your features
Resting in the fields, far from the turbulent space
Half asleep near the stars with a small dog licking your face.
Jokerman dance to the nightingale tune
Bird fly high by the light of the moon
Oh, oh, oh, Jokerman.
Well, the rifleman’s stalking the sick and the lame
Preacherman seeks the same, who’ll get there first is uncertain
Nightsticks and water cannons, tear gas, padlocks
Molotov cocktails and rocks behind every curtain
False-hearted judges dying in the webs that they spin
Only a matter of time ’til the night comes stepping in.
Jokerman dance to the nightingale tune
Bird fly high by the light of the moon
Oh, oh, oh, Jokerman.
It’s a shadowy world, skies are slippery gray
A woman just gave birth to a prince today and dressed him in scarlet
He’ll put the priest in his pocket, put the blade to the heat
Take the motherless children off the street
And place them at the feet of a harlot
Oh, Jokerman, you know what he wants
Oh, Jokerman, you don’t show any response.
Jokerman dance to the nightingale tune
Bird fly high by the light of the moon
Oh, oh, oh, Jokerman.
– David O’Brien, Braves/MIB blog
2,127 comments Add your comment
Mitchell
June 19th, 2012
2:38 pm
1st!
Tomahawkin
June 19th, 2012
2:38 pm
CleanUp!
Mitchell
June 19th, 2012
2:39 pm
Booyah!
In your face Braves bloggers.
I’m number one, just like our Braves. =(
flange1
June 19th, 2012
2:39 pm
Thanks for the new blog DOB!
Tomahawkin
June 19th, 2012
2:39 pm
Thanks for the New Blog D.O.B.
How are you liking the New Corporate Bandbox in The Rotten Apple?
I see that last night that place wasn’t packed, what gives
Tomahawkin
June 19th, 2012
2:40 pm
@Mitchell
lol
he he, You said Number One!
Backdoor Slider
June 19th, 2012
2:40 pm
BRAVES BREAKING NEWS
This just in from the AP:
Fredi Gonzalez has incurred a SEVERE BRAIN TEAR, while trying to think.
After consulting brain tear specialists, the situation looks hopeless; the damage is simply too great – and continues to worsen – especially when Gonzalez gets anywhere close to baseball.
Extended prognosis: Gonzalez to go on the MANAGERIAL DISABLED LIST indefinitely.
Frank Wren now hurriedly searches for a new manager.
Tomahawkin
June 19th, 2012
2:40 pm
Vote ur Braves for the 2012 All Star Team…
Good Ole Buck Belue Said So!
Braves Fan in Maine
June 19th, 2012
2:41 pm
GO getem braves!!!!!!
Waffle House or Bust
June 19th, 2012
2:41 pm
I say go ahead and lose with what we have now to prepare them for the future because it ain’t happening this season.
FYI – God hates the Braves.
Efrim
June 19th, 2012
2:41 pm
The Braves have prospects they want to keep stockpiled in their system, but they might just have to part with one or two in a deal for a pitcher if they hope to make a strong playoff push the rest of the way.
Only two I’d consider off-limits are Teheran and Vizcaino. I’d guess teams would be asking for Gilmartin, Bethancourt, Graham and perhaps to a lesser extent, Todd Cunningham and Matt Lipka.
Braves Fan in Maine
June 19th, 2012
2:42 pm
Oh yeah dont trade our prospect on pitching lets get so hitter plz
Sopheee
June 19th, 2012
2:43 pm
Thanks DOB!
This blog made me sad. Come on Bravos, get it together.
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MFin04
June 19th, 2012
2:43 pm
“if they hope to make a strong playoff push the rest of the way”
They DON’T NEED PITCHING! Just score some runs. McCann and Chipper need to step up or the Braves need to move on from those two. Can’t be relied upon at this point anymore. Pitching will be fine, but this offense has to get some consistency.
cabravesfan
June 19th, 2012
2:44 pm
Hi Sopheee
Tomahawkin
June 19th, 2012
2:44 pm
Word On The Street (MLBTR) Is that Car-Go Could be Available at the deadline
Now I don’t normally make trade suggestions because they for the most part are a waste of time, But you can take it to Vegas that I will be Lusting for him at the Trade deadline….
ryan
June 19th, 2012
2:44 pm
Hate to here that about Beachy long road with rehab but man can’t get any worse for these Atlanta teams Braves and the Hawks we are becoming Chicago of the south cursed man .
Sopheee
June 19th, 2012
2:45 pm
Hi cab. I dare you to use a smiley face.
Braves Fan in Maine
June 19th, 2012
2:46 pm
MFin04- totally agree man pitching to me has been alright but the hitting is awful!!
BL
June 19th, 2012
2:46 pm
I would love to see Heyward get just HALF of the criticism Francoeur got on here. JH’s approach/results is looking like the same thing.
cabravesfan
June 19th, 2012
2:46 pm
Sopheee-
(although I did see that CTB apologized, so all is good there)
Bay Area Steve
June 19th, 2012
2:47 pm
Timely tweet:
‘OB just told some dude: “Lighten up, Francis.”
If that doesn’t make you want to at least read a few from your favorite author, musician, comedian, etc., I don’t know what could.
Tomahawkin
June 19th, 2012
2:47 pm
I still don’t get why so many people Down here In The “A” want Fredi to get “Ol Yellered”???
Its the teams fault they are so streaky, not his
Brian from SC
June 19th, 2012
2:47 pm
Update on the defensive switch and its possible effect:
Since Simmons took over at SS, the Braves have given up a .160 batting average on ground balls, not including errors. Before the call-up, it was a league-worst .274.
This is a major contributor to the Braves’ improved pitching performance in June. It’s still a small sample size, and that .160 will go up (it’s a little “too” low right now), but the difference has been like night and day.
ncscoots
June 19th, 2012
2:47 pm
guess teams would be asking for
Here’s the thing: any trade currency spent for a pitcher this year means less to spend on trade deals in the offseason which means a greater reliance on free agency. If they end up having more money than players for acquisitions, I worry about how that might play out.
I know you have to play the game that’s in front of you, but still…
Juan
June 19th, 2012
2:47 pm
Hey Conrad DFA…lets go get him
Efrim
June 19th, 2012
2:47 pm
I can’t imagine the Rockies would trade CarGo. In no way is that better for their long term future.
Tomahawkin
June 19th, 2012
2:48 pm
Braves Fan in Maine
June 19th, 2012
2:46 pm
“MFin04- totally agree man pitching to me has been alright but the hitting is awful!!”
Co-Sign! Those turds are sooo streaky its FUB’R…This team will score 40+ runs in Denver then proceed to score 40 the next 20 games, Cheesewhiz!
we have the top 1-2 hitters in Martini and Bourn and still can’t score
Tomahawkin
June 19th, 2012
2:49 pm
I meant to say These
Braves Fan in Maine
June 19th, 2012
2:49 pm
Conrad back with the braves wilson gonzo!!!!
Ease
June 19th, 2012
2:50 pm
Murph
June 19th, 2012
2:50 pm
Here’s one more stat I find telling: Simmons (.412, 7-for-17) is only Braves player hitting above .288 in the seventh inning or later. Everyone else but Prado (.288) hitting .270 or lower in the late innings, including Heyward (.218) and McCann (.145, 8-for-55 with one RBI).
So… the guys who are in shape and not gassed by the 5th inning continue to hit, while the fatties are day-dreaming about donuts and beef jerky and missing everything thrown their way (with the exception of Heyward, who doesn’t hit regardless of the inning).
Interesting.
Fire the conditioning coach!!!
bvillebaron
June 19th, 2012
2:50 pm
Frankly, I am against giving up more quality prospects for a rental pitcher and/or player. This is still a young team with a bright future with 3 starters (whenever Freeman ever returns) age 22 and with the exception of Hudson all of their key pitchers being in their mid-20s or younger.
Delgado in particular is showing signs of improvement and to a lesser degree Minor as well. I realize that their growing pains (and Teheran’s as well if he is finally called up and put in the rotation) will be difficult and perhaps cost them a chance at the playoffs this year. But I say don’t trade prospects off a young team on the rise for player(s) who won’t guarantee a playoff appearance this year and use the money coming off the books on the Lowe and Chipper Jones contracts to improve the team this offseason.
Just my 2 cents.
Efrim
June 19th, 2012
2:51 pm
I would love to see Heyward get just HALF of the criticism Francoeur got on here. JH’s approach/results is looking like the same thing.
Francouer’s first 2.5 seasons: .280/.319/.463, 100 OPS+(1,656 PA’s)
Heyward’s first 2.5 seasons(roughly): .255/.356/.430, 113 OPS+(1,328 PA’s)
And my guess is Heyward’s next 300 plate appearances is going to widen the gap.
Braves Fan in Maine
June 19th, 2012
2:51 pm
Nice Tomahawkin now if we can get wren and dredi to read this then we will be good!!!
phil
June 19th, 2012
2:51 pm
Shaun – You’re dead to me now…
Ease
June 19th, 2012
2:52 pm
Peter Moylan @PeterMoylan
Someone explain to me why there had been so many Tommy John surgeries in the last 12 months? Did people rehab in years past?
bvillebaron
June 19th, 2012
2:52 pm
BL:
If you honesty believe that Heyward gets less criticism on these blogs than Francouer did, then you must be living under a rock.
NickGranite
June 19th, 2012
2:52 pm
I hate to say it but the braves have never had the rotation to get to the World Series this season. We simply do not match up with the aces around the league through a 7 game series. When some of these young guys season up a bit then we’ll talk. In the meantime, let’s count Chipper’s final stat tallies and wait for his and a few other’s money to come off the books and start fresh next season. I guess what I’m getting at is I don’t want to give up prospects for a fruitless quest. Without a few aces, you simply cannot get to the series.
phil
June 19th, 2012
2:53 pm
Conditioning has zero to do with any of it.
Cue CC Sabathia…
Efrim
June 19th, 2012
2:53 pm
Here’s the thing: any trade currency spent for a pitcher this year means less to spend on trade deals in the offseason which means a greater reliance on free agency. If they end up having more money than players for acquisitions, I worry about how that might play out.
I know you have to play the game that’s in front of you, but still…
I hear ya, and I’m usually right there with ya – but would you really miss Signable?
Ralph
June 19th, 2012
2:54 pm
DOB, You told us what we already knew about the offense, could you tell us what you propose they do about it, hope you wouldn’t say “just keep sending them out there>
Ease
June 19th, 2012
2:54 pm
The actual Wiki entry on Livan…
Atlanta Braves
Within hours of being released by the Astros, Hernández was signed to a one-year Major League deal by the Atlanta Braves as a relief pitcher.[18] On May 5, 2012, he recorded his first career save in his 485th major league appearance. [19] On June 15, 2012, he was released from the Atlanta Braves. It is said that he was released for the criminal theft of stealing cupcakes from the fridge in the visiting clubhouse.
Braves Fan in Maine
June 19th, 2012
2:54 pm
This team is young with talent…. the braves need to have a veteran coach from pitching and managing…. Im sorry but dredi just isnt good enough in my opinion to manage these young kids!!!! Francona for manager
ryan
June 19th, 2012
2:55 pm
Should we have traded Delgado and Tehran for Hunter Pence when had the chance last year or veteran pitcher .
shlomo
June 19th, 2012
2:55 pm
wouldn’t it be better to acknowledge that this isn’t their year than to trade grade A prospects for the hope of hope of making the playoffs. To me that would be the more prudent way to go.
Sopheee
June 19th, 2012
2:56 pm
I’m glad they didn’t press charges against him. Whew.
Murph
June 19th, 2012
2:56 pm
bville, I agree… gotta take stock and make a real honest evaluation of the team… if the horses aren’t there to get them to October, which I don’t know if they are, then you need to hold on to the prospects and work hard during the offseason to assemble a winner.
I don’t know that the team can make that call, though, given their successful week here and their successful week there. Those successful weeks, as rare as they may be, have given the FO hope. Hope + an unrealistic view of your team = trade deadline disaster.
sdy4
June 19th, 2012
2:56 pm
Getting another rent-a-player for premium prospects would be a mistake. Instead they should give every opportunity to working this out in house with available talent. Besides, with the current field manager still making too many head-scratching player dicisions, it is not worth mortgaging the future of the organization just to stay in the race. This team has traded away too much young talent already.
bravesgrl4life
June 19th, 2012
2:56 pm
Hi, cabravesfan, Sopheee, Tomahawkin, and the rest of you bloggers.
Bad news = Beachy’s arm. Better news = It’s Not Monday.
Braves Fan in Maine
June 19th, 2012
2:57 pm
shlomo awesome point!!
Bay Area Steve
June 19th, 2012
2:57 pm
“It is said that he was released for the criminal theft of stealing cupcakes from the fridge in the visiting clubhouse.”
Early odds-makers are setting a line that jeffrey d is responsible at 5-1.
ncscoots
June 19th, 2012
2:57 pm
but would you really miss Signable?
I doubt that I’d miss any of them, LOL. I’d give ‘em one last hug and then ask if they need help packing.
It’s the timing of their bye-byes that makes for jitters.
TennesseePaul
June 19th, 2012
2:58 pm
Thanks for the work DOB.
shlomo
June 19th, 2012
2:58 pm
I’ll live with a bad year if they get rid of Fredi.
Braves Fan in Maine
June 19th, 2012
2:59 pm
haha dredi must go!!!
phil
June 19th, 2012
3:00 pm
Fredi isn’t the problem…
the manager is.
Bay Area Steve
June 19th, 2012
3:00 pm
DAP,
Nice line. Post it again, man.
George
June 19th, 2012
3:01 pm
Backdoor Slider
June 19th, 2012
2:40 pm
BRAVES BREAKING NEWS
This just in from the AP:
Fredi Gonzalez has incurred a SEVERE BRAIN TEAR, while trying to think.
After consulting brain tear specialists, the situation looks hopeless; the damage is simply too great – and continues to worsen – especially when Gonzalez gets anywhere close to baseball.
Extended prognosis: Gonzalez to go on the MANAGERIAL DISABLED LIST indefinitely.
Frank Wren now hurriedly searches for a new manager
*****************************************************************
This is a WONDERFUL post
Shaun
June 19th, 2012
3:01 pm
Why wouldn’t someone propose “just keep sending them out there” regarding the Braves’ offense?
This is baseball, after all. Players will go through ups and downs. A .300 hitter isn’t going to go 3 for his every 10 ABs, which is why some of us tend to make a stink about small sample sizes.
Buy, hey, no one can force you out of incorrectly believing that performance or results in 8, 10, 12 games means that a player is destined to keep up the pace of those last 8, 10, 12 games in perpetuity.
Bay Area Steve
June 19th, 2012
3:01 pm
“I doubt that I’d miss any of them”
Zeke is not happy.
cabravesfan
June 19th, 2012
3:02 pm
bravesgrl4life-
Hi!
Efrim
June 19th, 2012
3:02 pm
Baseball America July 2 Notebook
By Ben Badler
June 19, 2012
With the draft over and many of the top picks having already signed, the market for international players has started to become more clear as July 2 approaches. We have already profiled many of the top players for this year’s international signing period, but here is a look at some of the other notable names to follow for this year’s class.
The Braves have brought a handful of promising pitchers through their international program in recent years. This year sources say the Braves have their sights set on Yeralf Torres, a 16-year-old Venezuelan righthander from Barquisimeto who trains with Jose Montero. Torres is 6-foot-1, 165 pounds and has an excellent fastball, touching the low-90s with lively action from a delivery with some drop-and-drive to it. He will have to learn to throw more strikes and improve his secondary pitches, which includes a mid-70s curveball that’s ahead of his changeup.
CrαZy
June 19th, 2012
3:02 pm
Francona for manager
Highly doubt our record would be any different!!
BL
June 19th, 2012
3:03 pm
bville
Haven’t been on the good old blog in a while, can’t you tell? Figured TJ on our best pitcher was time to return. Heyward is frustrating me badly.
Heisenberg
June 19th, 2012
3:03 pm
Minor either gets a 1-2-3 inning, or falls apart when the leadoff man gets on base and within 30 seconds 6 runs have scored. You could see it in his face in the 5th inning last night. He needs to come out of the rotation and work some long relief. He can still be effective for 2-3 innings so long as he does not have to come in with runners on base.
phil
June 19th, 2012
3:03 pm
Yeralf Torres….
He’ll be the next obsession here.
Bay Area Steve
June 19th, 2012
3:03 pm
“This is a WONDERFUL post”
I thought it kinda blew, George. In fact, I had a CHUCKLE at the vision of the guy coming up with that, and taking the time to post it, thinking he was Richard Pryor reincarnated.
Now, I just THINK it was you.
tiger297
June 19th, 2012
3:04 pm
scoots – has shaun changed his tune cause I can’t see lineup-order not in the top 3
George
June 19th, 2012
3:04 pm
A cupcake thief? For real?
ncscoots
June 19th, 2012
3:05 pm
Zeke is not happy.
Zeke knows I meant “any of them except for Zeke”. Goes without saying.
Besides, Zeke will not be traded.
tiger297
June 19th, 2012
3:05 pm
BAS – ur on twitter and don’t follow me? dude ur missing the good little tiger stories
Efrim
June 19th, 2012
3:05 pm
Zeke is not happy.
I apologize. I baited scoots on that one…..
North Ga Braves Fan
June 19th, 2012
3:06 pm
Dempster? Really? Just what the Braves need, another injured player!
The Cap Tipper
June 19th, 2012
3:06 pm
“The Braves’ two highest slugging percentages belong to rookie shortstop Simmons (.529, albeit only 51 at-bats) and leadoff man Bourn (.456). I mean, seriously….”
That right there says all you need to know about the Atlanta Braves “offense”. As horrible a manager as Fredi is, and HE IS the worst manager in MLB right now hands down. Even Joe Girardi couldn’t produce wins with this embarrassingly anemic “offense”. I have questioned this team’s heart and effort from opening day, especially since ending last year with the worst collapse in MLB history, losing 20 of 30. I mean this team just doesnt try….period. I don’t care if I get blasted….it’s pathetic for this amount of talent to get shutout or score a single run on an almost nightly basis. I HATE how this team is full of wusses who sit out half the season with “dry eyes, a stomach bug, and a bruise” like the 3,4, and 5 hitters in our lineup did earlier this year. Its disgusting, and EVERY single one of them with the exception of Bourn and Prado is underperforming severely. That tells you one thing…they don’t care and are going through the motions. That falls on Fredi, but it also falls on the leaders of this offense, which has none. Freddie Freeman is underperforming, Jason Heyward is underperforming, Chipper Jones is underperforming, Brian McCann is underperforming, Dan Uggla is underperforming slightly, Eric Hinske is underperforming, Jack Wilson is underperforming, Matt Diaz is underperforming. These are not opinions, every one of those guys is hitting lower than there career averages, with most significantly lower. I mean when 70 percent of your offense is underperforming EVERYTHING is wrong about the team. Simply put that means the manager is an inefficient leader/motivator, laziness in putting in work in the batting cages, poor attitudes, loser mentality/culture in the clubhouse, poor scouting of pitchers, poor conditioning by the hitters, poor efforts ALL THE WAY AROUND….. DISGUSTED…..I usually go to 3-4 games a year, but am boycotting the rest of the year, and am feverishly convincing others not to attend games. I write a weekly letter to the Braves explaining WHY they are such a poorly run, lazy, country club organization and HOW other more modern organizations are passing them by the minute.
ncscoots
June 19th, 2012
3:06 pm
tiger, good point re lineups. May have to re-think. Maybe even do a count (oh the humanity!).
Ease
June 19th, 2012
3:06 pm
Greene Hornet
June 19th, 2012
3:07 pm
To borrow a quote from the Joker in the 90’s version of Batman, I think the whole team needs an enima. I mean this figuratively, not literally. We have the talent, we have the arms, but the team just seems so sluggish. I know people blame Fredi, or this or that, but it’s the entire team… not just one person. I wish I could provide suggestions, but I know no one would listen, nor would it be knowledgable advice.
I will always be a Braves fan and will always support the team, but I also have a feeling this is going to be a long summer…
tiger297
June 19th, 2012
3:08 pm
scoots – aske braveone see if he can help you out
ncscoots
June 19th, 2012
3:09 pm
I write a weekly letter to the Braves explaining WHY they are such a poorly run, lazy, country club organization and HOW other more modern organizations are passing them by the minute.
Do they ever write back?
Bay Area Steve
June 19th, 2012
3:10 pm
I figure you save the good ones for here, tiger. I did see ‘OB answer a question of yours the other day… I forget what.
TheOnlyBravesFan
June 19th, 2012
3:10 pm
Brewers Designate Brooks Conrad For Assignment
Get him! We need his .075 BA!
Cuban outfielder Yasel Puig aims to become a free agent soon so that he can sign with an MLB team by July 2
Torres has tentatively scheduled a showcase for scouts in Mexico City later this week. Puig, a 6′3″ 210 pound outfielder, has two seasons of experience in Cuba’s Serie Nacional. He’s more polished than Jorge Soler but less seasoned than Yoenis Cespedes,
Should the Braves target him?
Good afternoon everybody..
Heisenberg
June 19th, 2012
3:11 pm
i’m a joker i’m a smoker i’m a midnight toker I get my lovin’ on the run
Braveone
June 19th, 2012
3:11 pm
From the previous blog which had 1,873 comments, Efrim led the way with 84 posts. There were 220 different poster names. Here are the Top 25:
Rank Poster Frequency
1 Efrim 84
2 VaBravesFan 61
3 ncscoots 56
4 nolie 53
5 phil 45
6 JNick 43
7 ChattTownBrian 38
8 The A Bomb 38
9 CraZy 37
10 Ralph 37
11 McFann :Ô: :Ô: :ô: 35
12 usnavyvolfaninva 34
13 Tomahawk Mafia 32
14 brian 30
15 cabravesfan 30
16 Murph 29
17 TheOnlyBravesFan 28
18 Brava 26
19 Doofus(Goober and Gomer’s Smart Brother) 26
20 Ease 25
21 MFin04 25
22 ncbravesfan90 25
23 Bat Masterson 24
24 Jimmy 24
25 jeffrey d 24
Murph
June 19th, 2012
3:12 pm
Buy, hey, no one can force you out of incorrectly believing that performance or results in 8, 10, 12 games means that a player is destined to keep up the pace of those last 8, 10, 12 games in perpetuity.
Yeah, I can remember thinking last season that there was no way Heyward’s poor performance would continue… but… ummmmm… well, bad example.
DAP
June 19th, 2012
3:13 pm
kwajbraves Sorry for the double post.
thats ok. shaun just posted the same thing for the 10,000th time.
that one, BAS?
Tomahawkin
June 19th, 2012
3:13 pm
bravesgrl4life
Whats happening chief, Thanks for Waking me up this Morning!
Did ur niece throw up at the Game u went to?
ncscoots
June 19th, 2012
3:13 pm
Good grief, I’m showing up too high, too often, on the dang list, LOL. Gotta find some furniture to build.
Tomahawkin
June 19th, 2012
3:13 pm
Bring Back Connie!!!
least of the east
June 19th, 2012
3:13 pm
Wren can’t make deals when there aren’t injuries. when the Braves are cornered, he’ll be fleeced. we have 5 starters with Teheran. how often is a 5th starter needed. Medlen can be thrown in if needed.
the guy to deal is Bourn, not prospects. he’s leaving anyway.
too bad the Braves wasted so many draft picks in 2006-they should have been ready 6 yrs later.
Minor apparently loses his stuff from a stretch position when men are on base. maybe he should use a full windup all the time and have them steal bases instead.
with the trio of Liberty Media, Wren and Fredi G, I have full confidence that we are not making the playoffs the rest of the decade, if they last that long.
let’s forfeit the next 2 in NY and move north to help the red Sox get back in the AL East race.
Heisenberg
June 19th, 2012
3:14 pm
Should the Braves target Yasel Puig ?
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The last guy like that Braves targeted has not exactly lit up minor league pitching.
Murph
June 19th, 2012
3:15 pm
Sounds like the Braves went just about all-in on Soler, so they might as well do the same for Puig… if he shows well in Mexico City, that is.
Man, I’d hate to be the scout sent to Mexico City to see a player.
DAP
June 19th, 2012
3:15 pm
nickgranite I hate to say it but the braves have never had the rotation to get to the World Series this season. We simply do not match up with the aces around the league through a 7 game series.
you from elberton, nick? anyways, i disagree…with beachy in the fold, the braves had starting pitching to compete with any team in the playoffs. not having him hurts, but the pitching is still good.
Bay Area Steve
June 19th, 2012
3:15 pm
We’ve got feverish convincing, letter writing, and enemas.
What was that y’all were sayin’ about the night-shift?
Tomahawkin
June 19th, 2012
3:16 pm
Braveone
June 19th, 2012
3:11 pm
From the previous blog which had 1,873 comments, Efrim led the way with 84 posts. There were 220 different poster names. Here are the Top 25:
I need to Step My Game Up!
ncscoots
June 19th, 2012
3:16 pm
let’s forfeit the next 2 in NY and move north to help the red Sox get back in the AL East race.
Another p***y.
TheOnlyBravesFan
June 19th, 2012
3:16 pm
17 TheOnlyBravesFan 28
Oh, how the mighty have fallen…
CrαZy
June 19th, 2012
3:16 pm
I need to lower my number a bit!!
Ease
June 19th, 2012
3:17 pm
NYBRAVESFAN
June 19th, 2012
3:17 pm
How nice is it that the Yankees have a guy like cc to rely on. How nice is it that the lowely Mets have Johan to rely on . How nice is it that the Nationals have studs like Strasberg and Gio to rely on. This team needs an ace, a stopper. Someone on our team who prevents us from having a 5 game or 6 game or 8 game losing streak.
Lets pony up and trade for Greinke and sign him for a long term deal. The braves have money for next year and are in dire need of a real number 1 ..
Bay Area Steve
June 19th, 2012
3:18 pm
Yeah, DAP. I wanted to re-post, but without italics, it made no sense. And, I just don’t have the time to learn italics. As the last two hours, and five years, clearly show.
Ease
June 19th, 2012
3:18 pm
I need to Step My Game Up!
Please don’t.
Murph
June 19th, 2012
3:18 pm
Another p***y.
Spoken like a true Caminiti
NYBRAVESFAN
June 19th, 2012
3:18 pm
DOB,
Thanks for a new blog, can your next one be top 10 reasons why Freddie needs to be fired asap.
If you need help writing it, there are a ton of people on this blog who can help you.
Tomahawkin
June 19th, 2012
3:18 pm
Where Is Jeffrey D at?
I need to Holla At him….
Efrim
June 19th, 2012
3:20 pm
This team needs an ace, a stopper.
If that shoulder never whacked out, Hanson was near that level. A shame.
Sigh….
ncscoots
June 19th, 2012
3:20 pm
Spoken like a true Caminiti
Maybe that will be my handle, if I ever go social:
@caminitisderision
Murph
June 19th, 2012
3:20 pm
Where Is Jeffrey D at?
I need to Holla At him….
He typically spends his afternoons on a blog about cocker spaniels… I’m not sure which one, though, so I’d recommend you close this window and just start at the beginning.
He posts under a different name, though, so you’ll need to spend some time reading the blogs and matching up his mannerisms.
See ya in a month or two.
Ease
June 19th, 2012
3:20 pm
can your next one be top 10 reasons why Freddie needs to be fired asap.
Why are we firing the first baseman?
That bum finger has a lot of people all out of joint…
Shaun
June 19th, 2012
3:20 pm
Yeah, I can remember thinking last season that there was no way Heyward’s poor performance would continue… but… ummmmm… well, bad example.
Murph, so he was the same hitter every 8, 10, 12 games? That’s what I’m talking about here.
Tomahawkin
June 19th, 2012
3:21 pm
@NYBravesFan…
You really want Fredi to get Ol Yellered? Who do you replace him with?
Sweet Lou Pinella?
Terry Pendleton?
Larry Bowa?
I still don’t know why so many people want him to get sent out to the pasture, Its the players (B-Macc, Ugg, Heyward, Hoss) who are cutting it….
Efrim
June 19th, 2012
3:21 pm
Hell, Beachy was there too. Injuries suck, but I expect Beachy will bounce back from this and still be a very good pitcher.
Bob the Blogger
June 19th, 2012
3:21 pm
The Braves have said that Medlen was too valuable in the pen to be a starter. But after losing Beachy and JJ, I think now that Medlen is too valuable as a starter to be in the pen. That means getting some more arms for the pen, but finding bullpen arms is easier than finding starters.
Bay Area Steve
June 19th, 2012
3:21 pm
@weejunwearincheeseslut
No brainer.
Bama Mike
June 19th, 2012
3:21 pm
Even though they deny it looks like they are pressing to me. If they dont make the playoffs this year it will be what 1 appearance in last 7 years. We have seen teams such as Milwaukee, St Louis, Colorado and Texas just to name a few to pass us. We are considered among the others and in the lower portion of that group. My prediction is that heads will roll if there is no playoff appearance this year. Good bye to Terry, Frank and Fredi.
Etrain
June 19th, 2012
3:21 pm
Does everyone know about the petition in Charlotte to get the Bobcats name changed back to the Hornets?
Should we do a similar petition to get rid of Fredi?
Efrim
June 19th, 2012
3:23 pm
Meden, Jurrjens or Teheran. I guess I see the point that one of these dudes should be able to cover us with the Beachy injury. Just hope Minor and Delgado can continue to progress.
ncscoots
June 19th, 2012
3:23 pm
No brainer.
Love it, love it, love it. Done deal.
But I’m gonna hang on to @caminitisderision, for those days when I want to sneer.
Brian from SC
June 19th, 2012
3:23 pm
Freeman back in the lineup. Ski DH’ing and hitting 9th.
Tomahawkin
June 19th, 2012
3:23 pm
D.O.B.
Whats The status on J-Hey’s hand?
I heard he got hurt on the last out (I turned it off and started watching the News 15 minutes before it happened) what is his status?
Is he day-to day or will this be another nagging injury that is worse than initially thought…(Fab 5 Freddie’s injury is a case in point)
Brave New World
June 19th, 2012
3:24 pm
NYBRAVESFAN: If we got Greinke, all it would take is for him to read the blogs from the AJC about him, and his social disorder would put him on the DL.
Bat Masterson
June 19th, 2012
3:24 pm
The Cap Tipper @ 3:06 pm
I’m not gonna try to read all that, but from a quick scan I got underperforming as the theme. Yes/no?
Tomahawkin
June 19th, 2012
3:24 pm
I meant to say that those 3 aren’t cutting it on that 321 post
Brian from SC
June 19th, 2012
3:24 pm
Heyward must be fine…he’s starting tonight, hitting 7th.
Heisenberg
June 19th, 2012
3:25 pm
Proposed line-up for tonight
CF Bourne
SS Simmons
1B Prado
RF Bourne
2B Simmons
DH Prado
LF Bourne
3B Simmons
C Prado
ncbravesfan90
June 19th, 2012
3:25 pm
Guess the plan to DH chipper was scratched.
Brian from SC
June 19th, 2012
3:26 pm
Maybe tomorrow Chipper will DH, or maybe not. We know he doesn’t really like it.
ncscoots
June 19th, 2012
3:26 pm
but from a quick scan I got underperforming as the theme.
Pretty sure there was some “no heart” in there, too. Underperformers never have any heart/grit/urgency, everybody knows that.
Tomahawkin
June 19th, 2012
3:27 pm
@NYBravesFan
“Lets pony up and trade for Greinke and sign him for a long term deal. The braves have money for next year and are in dire need of a real number 1 ”
No offense, but Thank Gawd Ur not The GM
Brian from SC
June 19th, 2012
3:27 pm
DHing Chipper would be better if Constanza was on the roster, so Martin could play 3rd. As it is, DHing Chipper would mean either Francisco at 3B or Diaz in LF against a RHP. Neither are very appealing.
flange1
June 19th, 2012
3:28 pm
Line of the day about FF’s finger from Ease
That bum finger has a lot of people all out of joint…
Props to Ease!
Tomahawkin
June 19th, 2012
3:28 pm
Brian from SC
“Maybe tomorrow Chipper will DH, or maybe not. We know he doesn’t really like it.”
Chipper will be out tomorrow, Bank on it, Its a Day game after a night game, we know how Fredi does it…
just sayin'
June 19th, 2012
3:29 pm
the braves have 2-3 hitters who change their hitting philosophy on a bat by bat basis, depending on number of outs, men on base, RISP, etc…bourn, prado..and simmons…all the others swing for the fence, regardless of the situation…as long as that happens, they’ll hit into inning ending double plays..the most recent opponent, the yankees, get men on base and drive them in..they swing for hits..not the fences…even in their short fence home, the NEW yankee stadium…. chipper/mccann…bases loaded..pitcher just walked two batters to load the bases..what do they do…swing at first pitch…double play ground out…the pitcher is the guy in trouble…not the batter..very frustrating to watch, night after night…
Murph
June 19th, 2012
3:29 pm
Freeman back in the lineup. Ski DH’ing and hitting 9th.
We’d be better off letting the pitcher hit.
I like Hinske, but any talent the guy once had has all but vanished like a fart in the wind at this point.
Tomahawkin
June 19th, 2012
3:30 pm
We better Win tonight! I Simply Can’t Take It Anymore, One more loss to The Damn Yanks and I might poison myself!
Hillbilly
June 19th, 2012
3:30 pm
@weejunwearincheeseslut
No brainer.
Is there even any point in reading beyond this? Can’t get any better can it?
Walker and Fletcher
June 19th, 2012
3:31 pm
Walker and Fletcher were getting accolades a few weeks back. Now it’s time for them to get some blame.
You can’t have it both ways.
Brian from SC
June 19th, 2012
3:31 pm
The Braves need Hinske. What can they do, just drop him? He’s been very cold for a long time. Might as well try to get him going with a day at the office, in a familiar DH spot.
Tumbledown
June 19th, 2012
3:32 pm
Aren’t the Braves 0-8 in the last eight postseason games against the Yankees (last four games of 96 World Series and 99 sweep)? Also, I only remember the Atlanta version of the Braves winning two games against the Yankees in postseason play (overall record 2-8). Anyway you slice the numbers, I despise the Yankees.
Efrim
June 19th, 2012
3:32 pm
Tonight’s lineup at NYY (7:05, SPSO/680AM/BRN): Bourn 8 Prado 7 McCann 2 Uggla 4 Freeman 3 Jones 5 Heyward 9 Simmons 6 Hinske DH
bravesgrl4life
June 19th, 2012
3:33 pm
Tomahawkin’
Didn’t intend to wake you up with the text message, but glad it worked out. I’m just goofin’ at work right now, because in light of the current situation, it all feels pointless.
Yes, my niece threw up at that game, resulting in a prissy little couple in front of us complaining and requesting that we be moved. So, we got moved one section over (away from home plate) and in that row of seats behind the back rail of the terrace level seats. View of the field was fine but couldn’t see the Big Board due to the overhang from the 3rd deck. I was little ticked off, as you can imagine. She knows better – it happens again, she’ll be moving by herself.
Lew
June 19th, 2012
3:33 pm
Murph – I’m far from certain that illustrations would help all that much. What is needed is for someone to sit in the dugout next t Fredi and at appropriate times hit him upside the head and say “No, the bases are loaded with one out and you CAN’T put Livan in there in this situation – use Venters instead.”
Of course, Wren took Livan out of Fredi’s arsenal, so that particular FUBAR ain’t happening again, but you get the drift.
bravesgrl4life
June 19th, 2012
3:33 pm
Ooops, I mcfanned that one
NYBRAVESFAN
June 19th, 2012
3:34 pm
The great gonzo needs to be fired because he has no clue how to manage in game situations. The offense is struggling i get it, but he has no clue how to manufacture runs the right way.
last night he has the 5 hitter (diaz) bunt in the 4th but in the fifth doesnt have the 9 hitter (ross ) bunt. The idiot had the pitcher bat 8th while constanza was here so we would have speed at 9-1 but last night he has simmons at 8 and ross at 9?
he needs out of here.
tomahawkin- is greinke the best number 1 out there – no , but he’s a number 1 who happens to be better than any of our pitchers so think about it a little before you shoot it down.
DAP
June 19th, 2012
3:34 pm
BAS, to do the italics, you have use the symbols, which is hard to do with a whiskey bottle in one hand. :- )
Doofus(Goober and Gomer's Smart Brother)
June 19th, 2012
3:35 pm
“Light Travels Faster Than Sound. This is why some people appear bright until you hear them speak.”
Walker and Fletcher
June 19th, 2012
3:36 pm
Count me as someone who thinks if the offense was doing their job, the pitching would be better. It’s hard to pitch thinking you have to throw a 3 hitter just to have a chance to win!
Murph
June 19th, 2012
3:36 pm
Again with McCann in the 3rd spot. Cripes, Fredi’s decisions are maddening sometimes.
Do you think Fredi even knows about sites like Baseball Reference dot com? One of you locals, next home game, make a sign with Baseball Reference on it in big, bold, legible letters and go hold it up behind the Braves’ dugout so Fredi can see it.
Kentavo
June 19th, 2012
3:36 pm
I bet my wife last night when the bottom of the 9th started that the game would end with a Heyward KO and she asked me if I was trying to trick her by watching the replay again.
It is so predictable it might as well be a re-run.
Brooks Conrad
June 19th, 2012
3:36 pm
I hear the Braves need another AAAA player hitting under .100?
Tomahawkin
June 19th, 2012
3:36 pm
bravesgrl4life
Yes, those vodka shots in 85 degree heat had me doing crazy mess as well…I’m glad I ate before I started getting tuned up…
I’m glad I have never puked at a game, that would suck to have to do a prayer in the mens restroom….
Jimmy
June 19th, 2012
3:37 pm
Fire FG! Fire FW!!
Fire McDowell! Fire TP!!
Fire them all! Seasons Over. BALLGAME!!! DEATHNAIL!!
There, I feel better now. It’s been building all day.
Heisenberg
June 19th, 2012
3:37 pm
bravesgrl4life, so your niece pukes and you get moved to seats where you do not have to see or smell it and the prissy couple got to stay in their seats with the puke?
B_F 54
June 19th, 2012
3:37 pm
I have to agree with those who say our pitching has been pretty good but our bats will heat up any day now …..today would be nice
GO BRAVOS
usnavyvolfaninva
June 19th, 2012
3:37 pm
Heisenberg,
Bourne’s fast, but not THAT fast; CF AND RF?
Tomahawkin
June 19th, 2012
3:38 pm
NYBravesFan
Grienke will be too expensive and he has admitted that he doesn’t like pitching in big games, we have better/cheaper options in the Farm…Its The AWFense that needs work
Brian from SC
June 19th, 2012
3:38 pm
Are there any sites where Braves fans get together to try to encourage each other about the team when they are in a losing spell?
bravesgrl4life
June 19th, 2012
3:38 pm
Tomahawkin’
If you noticed, she wasn’t eating. So, it was a combination of vodka shots (after beer), heat, and no food.
She apparently doesn’t know the old advice: beer before liquor, never sicker; liquor before beer, never fear.
B_F 54
June 19th, 2012
3:39 pm
Heisenberg you’re comedic skills are on fire today lol
LAG
June 19th, 2012
3:39 pm
I was just poking around Baseball-Reference and saw that a lineup of:
C – McCann
1B – Freeman
2B – Uggla
3B – Jones
SS – Pastornicky/Simmons
LF – Prado
CF – Bourn
RF – Heyward
… has been used a total of 14 times (only once with Simmons).
Whether due to injury or random shuffling, the Braves haven’t gotten into an offensive rhythm. Probably helps explain why we’re so streaky… on fire, then ice cold, then back again…
ncscoots
June 19th, 2012
3:40 pm
Are there any sites where Braves fans get together to try to encourage each other about the team when they are in a losing spell?
You’re joking, right?
Tomahawkin
June 19th, 2012
3:40 pm
bravesgrl4life
As Hammered as I was, Atleast I didn’t get kicked out of the Chophouse….lol
That makes my streak 2 years in a row now
bravesgrl4life
June 19th, 2012
3:40 pm
Heisenburg –
the puke got cleaned up with a nice smelling kitty litter (that sounds weird). The prissy couple didn’t even stay for the whole game, and the little prissy girl in her little prissy dress spent the whole evening chatting with her girlfriends who were there with their boyfriends. I think the whole crew left in like the 6th inning.
benchwarmer
June 19th, 2012
3:40 pm
Love Bob Dylan. Good pick DOB
Larry
June 19th, 2012
3:40 pm
Thank goodness I have the last two episodes of “The Killing” to watch tonight….and won’t have to subject myself to the sad performance of FG’s hapless Braves.
Heisenberg
June 19th, 2012
3:40 pm
I am here all week….be sure to tip your servers
Tomahawkin
June 19th, 2012
3:41 pm
bravesgrl4life
June 19th, 2012
3:38 pm
Tomahawkin’
“If you noticed, she wasn’t eating. So, it was a combination of vodka shots (after beer), heat, and no food. ”
OUCH!
Kentavo
June 19th, 2012
3:41 pm
Never throw Uggla a fastball, just a steady diet of breaking stuff and he will K; go inside, outside with Heyward he will K or pop-up; Chipper can’t handle the heater anymore (at least since coming back from DL) from either side; McCann will pull into the shift; Diaz is a hacker, will swing at anything, even if the pitcher just walked the previous hitter on 4-straight balls, and that leaves Prado, Bourne and Simmons as the only competitive bats.
David O'Brien
June 19th, 2012
3:41 pm
Braves lineup: Bourn CF, Prado LF, McCann C, Uggla 2B, Freeman 1B, Jones 3B, Heyward RF, Simmons SS, Hinske DH, Hudson P
Heisenberg
June 19th, 2012
3:41 pm
did they have prissy boyfriends?
space monkey
June 19th, 2012
3:42 pm
We need to stop playing the Yankees. Matt Diaz is not a hitter and not a fielder. Should only be used to pinch hit.
Walker and Fletcher
June 19th, 2012
3:42 pm
“Maybe tomorrow Chipper will DH, or maybe not. We know he doesn’t really like it.”
I know it’s blasphemy but I really don’t care what Chipper does or doesn’t like!
This team could, I said could, be out of it by the trade deadline. This is Chipper’s last season. He ain’t hitting and looks like a lightweight out there right now. By the time he gets fully healthy, he could be retired. Give him his farewell tour, his gold watch, and give Prado all the reps you can at 3rd to try and get ready for 2013.
Anyone who is really thinking that Chipper is going to get healthy and lead this team to the promised land, simply IS NOT thinking.
Tomahawkin
June 19th, 2012
3:42 pm
Larry
“Thank goodness I have the last two episodes of “The Killing” to watch tonight….and won’t have to subject myself to the sad performance of FG’s hapless Braves.”
Co-Sign! The Game on Sunday Got so Boringggg, I turned it off and started watching Teen Mom
This team at times, especially the AWFense has been unwatchable
Efrim
June 19th, 2012
3:42 pm
vs. RHP:
Heyward:.285/.376/.518
Prado: .284/.353/.379
McCann: .227/.327/.391
Freeman: .267/.310/.489
Uggla: .233/.347/.440
Bourn: .344/.389/.478
Jones: .268/.341/.390
Rufus
June 19th, 2012
3:43 pm
Fire everyone!
/knee-jerk, panicky, and otherwise short-sighted reaction to Braves play lately
Murph
June 19th, 2012
3:45 pm
Are there any sites where Braves fans get together to try to encourage each other about the team when they are in a losing spell?
There used to be one… but it got bought by Liberty Media… they cut way back on the bandwidth, so it can only accommodate one user at a time, and Ward has it set as him homepage.
Ward
June 19th, 2012
3:45 pm
Hello everyone! Sucks about Beachy, and I figured that he would have to have Tommy John, and was with most on that one. Feel better that Huddy is pitching tonight. Maybe there is a slight chance of hope with Huddy?
Jimmy
June 19th, 2012
3:46 pm
“Matt Diaz is not a hitter and not a fielder. Should only be used to pinch hit.”
Or fill-in in the field.
Reminds me of what someone told me one day – “Them plastic bumpers ain’t nothing but plastic.”
never were consistently clutch (see all the hitting coaches come and gone)
June 19th, 2012
3:47 pm
Can a Braves pitcher make it through a season now without having TJ surgery?
And can we get our position starters healthy?
If Braves don’t find capable middle relief the season is over.
Don’t worry about the hitting….they’ve been streaky for 15 years…..pitching and health is the problem today.
bravesgrl4life
June 19th, 2012
3:47 pm
Yeah, they looked like Arnie’s definition of “girly-men”.
The worst part, tho, was she wasn’t done throwing up. After we left after the fireworks, thank God she had two of the big souvinier (sp?) cups. Before we got to the Lenox Mall exit on 400, she had the “hot spits” and asked me to pull off so she could get rid of those. Then, before we got to Holcomb Bridge, she really had to throw up again, so she puked in the cup. I pulled off the highway to a convenience store to let her go wash her mouth out. But it was 3 or 4 days before I could get the smell out of my new Challenger.
Heisenberg
June 19th, 2012
3:47 pm
Maybe there is a slight chance of hope with Huddy?
************************************
So long as the ankles hold up. At this point Medlen has got to be thinking “How many guys do I have to take out before they put me in the rotation”
phil
June 19th, 2012
3:48 pm
Why didn’t the niece throw up ON the prissy girlfriends? Teach the ba*tar*s a real lesson….
Jimmy
June 19th, 2012
3:48 pm
Murph @3:45 –
Ward
June 19th, 2012
3:48 pm
Murph – I only type with my adress, and only that, also don’t use cell phones, or I – pads.
usnavyvolfaninva
June 19th, 2012
3:48 pm
Rufus,
damn right. THat includes TP, worst first-base coaching EVER! LOL
bravesgrl4life
June 19th, 2012
3:48 pm
phil –
She was trying to be nice, I guess. I didn’t even realize that is what she was doing when she was doing it.
Murph
June 19th, 2012
3:49 pm
I don’t understand people who go to ballgames and get so drunk they yack or pass out. How much does it cost to go nowadays? $75, $100 a person if you include a few snacks, ticket, parking, etc?
That’s one expensive cover charge.
Ward
June 19th, 2012
3:50 pm
Murph – Drop that Sh*t it’s getting old……I have nothing against you.
Is there a doctor in the house?
June 19th, 2012
3:50 pm
getting clutch hits with RISP has always been a Braves problem. Even in their glory years.
But pitching has helped. Now their pitching is shot. Oh, what to do?
Turtsnap
June 19th, 2012
3:51 pm
As much as I hate to say it, might be time to give up on Heyward and trade him while you can get some decent returns. Otherwise, you wait another year or two, like we did with Frenchy, and end up with a Ryan Church return
Ward
June 19th, 2012
3:51 pm
Murph – Who’s in charge? I think Wren is calling the shots, and Liberty Media is letting him.
phil
June 19th, 2012
3:52 pm
bravesgrl4life – thanks for those extra graphic details as I eat my Twix bar….
StingerSplash
June 19th, 2012
3:52 pm
So this is how the Braves’ tailspin begins? Not in September, but in June, and at the hands of the AL East. The Yankees are primed to sweep another series from the Braves and while the Red Sox aren’t the sum of their parts right now, and also curiously managed (i.e, Bobby V has had his own share of injuries to deal with, including having not one but two entire starting outfields on the DL at some point, but he’s also prone to “what was that?” in terms of strategy and preparation), how many times do you want to poke the bear before it arises and eats you?
somebody make a stand
June 19th, 2012
3:52 pm
Can anyone wake up Jurjenns Lotion?
Tomahawkin
June 19th, 2012
3:53 pm
Murph
I don’t understand people who go to ballgames and get so drunk they yack or pass out. How much does it cost to go nowadays? $75, $100 a person if you include a few snacks, ticket, parking, etc?
I spent 60 Bucks, Vodka Shots in the lot (Peer Pressure is a Bch) A Four Loko, Bud Light Margarita, and 2 Tomaritas
I was hurting Saturday morning though
Murph
June 19th, 2012
3:53 pm
You started it Ward.
Scorpion Deathlock
June 19th, 2012
3:53 pm
The splash was weak!!!
usnavyvolfaninva
June 19th, 2012
3:53 pm
phil,
I hear there’s such a thing as “puke” flavored jelly beans.
phil
June 19th, 2012
3:54 pm
Murph
June 19th, 2012
3:49 pm
I don’t understand people who go to ballgames and get so drunk they yack or pass out.How much does it cost to go nowadays? $75, $100 a person if you include a few snacks, ticket, parking, etc?
That’s one expensive cover charge.
**********
Moronic for sure….and I don’t understand drinking at all anymore at a game with those highway robbery prices….
nolie
June 19th, 2012
3:54 pm
well it were a great blog at one time, now about 80% negative. Seen it with half a dozen sites over the years, the haters always take over and inundate the place.
Wonder where Moe and Tom O’ went?
More will leave, mark my words
bravesgrl4life
June 19th, 2012
3:54 pm
Sorry, phil.
Lew
June 19th, 2012
3:54 pm
Can’t even imagine why someone would get upset that a person sitting in seats near them got sick all over everything. Totally mystifying.
Tomahawkin
June 19th, 2012
3:54 pm
I will take that back, more like 80 bucks if you include food
64 year Braves fan
June 19th, 2012
3:55 pm
Chipper Jones want’s to help the Braves win. Here is what he should do. Quit today and forfeit his
salary for the rest of the year so the Braves could go out and make a trade for someone like Cargo.
Chipper’s hitting now makes you yearn for Gregg Norton.
phil
June 19th, 2012
3:55 pm
Thanks, usnavy!! I was just eating a red one….
excuse me for aminute or two…
Ward
June 19th, 2012
3:55 pm
Murph – I come on here, and don’t start any thing with anyone. I just come on here to post buddy.
benchwarmer
June 19th, 2012
3:55 pm
J Hay can’t hit well unless he is able to extend his long arms. I guess that’s why he sets up half way to 1st base when he bats. Question is how is he still so blasted poor at anything thrown on the in side of the plate. If he moved closer then I guess the outside of the plate becomes his inside and he can’t hit there either. Oh I have an idea, try learning an inside to out swing. At least that would help him make contact. Maybe even a few RBI or something. So far the guy just doesn’t cut it.
CrαZy
June 19th, 2012
3:56 pm
Tomahawkin…
It’s even worse at concerts… $100+ per ticket and you get so drunk you can’t even remember going!!
usnavyvolfaninva
June 19th, 2012
3:56 pm
About drinking at games….
Comes in handy if the game’s not going well, don’t you think?
Ward
June 19th, 2012
3:56 pm
I see see that Wren is in control, and calling the shots.
phil
June 19th, 2012
3:56 pm
I’m forced to admit that I would want to kill anyone who puked all over or near my seat….
flange1
June 19th, 2012
3:56 pm
How true nolie……
So many good folks run of by the negative nellies that could care less about the place or the people, they just want to vent!
StingerSplash
June 19th, 2012
3:58 pm
I know complaints aren’t your department DOB, especially since the entire desk operations have been moved to West Palm Beach (so do you have to call long distance or are they going to give you a 1-800 number to call if you want to fix something in a story or piece you’ve already sent?), but can someone fix the Clemons in the headline on the ajc.com front page in reference to Schultz’s column?
And Savannah a beer city? Old. News. For crying out loud, there are to-go cups here. Want to take you drink with you? You can! It’s Savannah! There are no rules!
phil
June 19th, 2012
3:58 pm
When you have to drive and have outgrown hangovers, what then? Jellybeans, I guess…
Bay Area Steve
June 19th, 2012
3:58 pm
Damn, I know I have a problem, but jeezaloo, bg4life. Thank goodness the drinking gods haven’t spread the “hot spits” out west, whatever they may be.
And, as a long-time drinker, I’ve always found beer better before. Maybe, it’s just me. I know folks differ on that one. Biggest issue for me is mixing liquors. I can’t tequila at the bar, and come home to whiskey.
And, finally, if somebody did a thing, other than sit, in my new Challenger, well, it wouldn’t be pretty. Upper-decker punishment would seem minor, in comparison.
bravesgrl4life
June 19th, 2012
3:59 pm
I understand that, Lew and phil, and I was more upset with my niece than anyone. I had told her to eat so this didn’t happen. But it was a prissy little girl who probably didn’t want to be there anyway.
Plus, the guest relations person told me that it would be a seat equal to what I had and it most certainly was not.
Guess I should have just gone and hung out with Tomahawkin> in the Chophouse, but of course, the niece might have wanted to drink more and I wasn’t having that. She, thank God, didn’t once we got to our various seats.
bravesgrl4life
June 19th, 2012
4:00 pm
Dang, mcfanned again
usnavy – that was the Friday game that went well for us – Jason stole third and took home on the errant throw.
Ward
June 19th, 2012
4:01 pm
You remember that article how Wren, was talking about his job, and what he liked about it a few months back. Well, that should say who’s in control. He says all he has to do is make the trades, and deals, and if he needs money ask Liberty Media for it. Basically he’s in charge.
Bay Area Steve
June 19th, 2012
4:01 pm
Me too, phil. I wouldn’t call an usher though. I’d be good for about five snide in-game comments. Come back from the concessions with the everything-on-em nachos, or the like. “How do these look? Would you like to try one?”
CrαZy
June 19th, 2012
4:01 pm
Lew…
You mean you don’t like the smell of Vomit?
phil
June 19th, 2012
4:01 pm
bravesgrl4life
June 19th, 2012
3:54 pm
Sorry, phil.
*******
No need!
The Red
June 19th, 2012
4:02 pm
I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again. it a shame when your offensive plan is for your pitcher to throw a perfect game.
How many of you groaned last night when Minor gave up the first hit.
And how bad is it to have the DH batting 9th?!
Efrim
June 19th, 2012
4:03 pm
So far the guy just doesn’t cut it.
Heyward vs. RHP: .285/.376/.518 – He’s cutting it against right handed pitchers, and holy hell, there is one going tonight…..
phil
June 19th, 2012
4:03 pm
Vomit is our friend…
Tomahawkin
June 19th, 2012
4:04 pm
CrαZy
June 19th, 2012
3:56 pm
Tomahawkin…
It’s even worse at concerts… $100+ per ticket and you get so drunk you can’t even remember going!!
Thats why I don’t Go, Even though I wanted to go see Keith Sweat and Anita Baker when they were here as well as The Eagles
Mitchell
June 19th, 2012
4:05 pm
And my guess is Heyward’s next 300 plate appearances is going to widen the gap.
Seriously, the man has to have more strikeouts at this point in his career than hits.
It’s sad watching him play because he sucks.
It’s worse listening to sports radio douches try to make MVP comparisons when he has a decent series.
Bay Area Steve
June 19th, 2012
4:05 pm
benchwarmer, I get your concern, brother.
But, Heyward got his hands inside an up-and-in corner strike, a 93 mph fastball from one of the best LHers in the game last night. Though he didn’t barrel it, that is real progress. Let’s hope all he needs is just a bit more time…
StingerSplash
June 19th, 2012
4:05 pm
Pretty soon, the Braves will be making a call for Mark Redman to come back and pitch.
(Dear God no.)
Ward
June 19th, 2012
4:05 pm
Let’s move the fences in at Turner Field. It’s working for the Mets, and what they did.
phil
June 19th, 2012
4:05 pm
The Red – I’ll admit that I did. Not loudly, mind you, but just a little disgusted groan, followed by an overwhelming sense of impending ballgame doom…
bravesgrl4life
June 19th, 2012
4:06 pm
But at the Glavine # retirement game, it was a different story. The ceremony and game were delayed for 2 hours. I had a guy and his little boy beside me (his wife and daughter were a row back but right behind us – I offered to switch, but they said not to worry about it). On the other side (the aisle side), there was a family with two girls. Those two kids were eating everything you can imagine. Keep in mind, it’s August, hot and muggy after the rain.
About the 7th inning (of what would be an 11-inning game), I got up to go to the ladies’ room. When I came back, I noticed about 6 staff members gathered around the row where I had been sitting. As I got closer, I realized that one of the girls had been very sick right in the aisle. There was no way I could get to my seat. The lady with the kid behind me, luckily, had an empty seat next to her (the kid’s seat as kid was on her lap), and she was kind enough to ask me to sit with her.
I didn’t make a big stink (no pun intended) about it, and it was a far worse “sick” than my niece. That kid had been eating non-stop since they sat down; my niece had eaten very little.
Murph
June 19th, 2012
4:06 pm
I don’t know what I’d do if someone puked on or near me at a ballgame. Probably depends on if my girls were with me. If they were there, I’d likely do the same thing and talk to an usher. If there weren’t there… maybe grab the person who puked and attempt to clean up said puke with their shirt… with them still wearing it.
RC
June 19th, 2012
4:06 pm
Seriously, the man has to have more strikeouts at this point in his career than hits.
290 hits to 280 Ks. So not quite there, but close.
TennesseePaul
June 19th, 2012
4:07 pm
Last 9 Starts of the Starting 9
_________AVG__OBP__SLG___OPS_wOBA_L9S9+
Bourn__ .351 .385 .459 0.844 .371 __154
Prado__ .211 .231 .211 0.441 .203 ___34
McCann_ .171 .256 .429 0.685 .274 __103
Uggla__ .143 .351 .286 0.637 .291 ___95
Freeman .278 .278 .417 0.694 .298 __107
Chipper .219 .286 .219 0.504 .242 ___54
Heyward .324 .343 .618 0.961 .402 __185
Simmons .367 .406 .600 1.006 .431 __200
Hinske_ .100 .156 .100 0.256 .129 __-21
Ward
June 19th, 2012
4:08 pm
Drop Hot Dogs prices to $2 dollars, and Hamburgers to $2.50, and more people would come to the game.
TennesseePaul
June 19th, 2012
4:08 pm
Heyward vs. RHP: .285/.376/.518 – He’s cutting it against right handed pitchers, and holy hell, there is one going tonight…
Very Francoeur-esque splits.
bravesgrl4life
June 19th, 2012
4:08 pm
I’d like to see you try it with my niece, Murph. I’d get thrown out for giving it back to you. Somebody messes with her, it gets my “mama bear” instincts riled up! And how would you feel if your kid was the one who threw up and you were in that situation?
Bat Masterson
June 19th, 2012
4:09 pm
Heyward vs. RHP: .285/.376/.518 – He’s cutting it against right handed pitchers, and holy hell, there is one going tonight….. _ Efrim
It’s sad watching him play because he sucks. _ Monsieur Bitchell
Swimming upstream is a real b*tch, Efrim
RC
June 19th, 2012
4:09 pm
I don’t know what I’d do if someone puked on or near me at a ballgame. Probably depends on if my girls were with me. If they were there, I’d likely do the same thing and talk to an usher. If there weren’t there… maybe grab the person who puked and attempt to clean up said puke with their shirt… with them still wearing it.
I’m not sure what caused this conversation to start up, but anyone remember a few years ago when a Philly fan INTENTIONALLY threw up on a little girl? Like, stuck his finger down his throat to make it happen. The little girls dad was a cop too I think, who according to all reports restrained himself and simply got security.
Fortunately, judging from the mugshots it did not appear that security restrained themselves. Dude’s face was messed up.
bravesgrl4life
June 19th, 2012
4:09 pm
And, BTW, the puke was not really that close to this chica. And I couldn’t even smell it sitting right next to her at that point.
TheOnlyBravesFan
June 19th, 2012
4:09 pm
those are some bad stats from the hitters…
RC
June 19th, 2012
4:10 pm
Very Francoeur-esque splits.
They would make for a pretty awesome platoon.
Plate Appearance
June 19th, 2012
4:10 pm
HINDSIGHT
It does now indeed appear that Wren should have kept D. Lowe.
phil
June 19th, 2012
4:11 pm
Lord, bravesgrl4life, you seem to have a real ability to attract these random pukers to your area at the games…
Of course a niece is hardly random, but a member of the McCann family eating non-stop?
I’m sorry. I know. I couldn’t help it. It’s a nice day out and here I sit working inside….and blogging senseless jibberish.
Bay Area Steve
June 19th, 2012
4:11 pm
“I’ll admit that I did. Not loudly, mind you, but just a little disgusted groan, followed by an overwhelming sense of impending ballgame doom…”
I did the same, but it was on the following walk.
I groaned much louder when he missed that 2-2 fastball to Jeter. AB was set up beautifully to get him with inside heat. Didn’t have to be a great pitch. Anything hard, inner third, and Minor would’ve got him. Instead, he overthrows, misses in, and has to throw a 3-2 strike. He goes to, what he always goes to, outer third. Jeter’s strength. Very, very irritated 2-2 groan.
cabravesfan
June 19th, 2012
4:11 pm
such a pleasant conversation as I contemplate what I want to eat for lunch today…
Hillbilly
June 19th, 2012
4:11 pm
Hey what’s up y’all? Thought I’d share a funny little story from a game I attended not to long ago:
My wife and I took my daughter and a couple of her church friends to their first ball game. They were having a good time, chatting it up about bullpen usage and on base percentages and everything was going fine until some drunk chick started raising hell behind us.
She ended up puking on my daughters dress that her grandmother sewed for her just before she died…(it’s the only thing we have left to remember her by.) I politely asked her to refrain, but she started screaming something about Old Yellering my narrow-azz. Security ended up asking them to re-locate and she moved to another section, still yelling and mumbling something about Bozo…[shrug] I don’t know.
Anyway, my daughter was really traumatized but we hung in there. Somewhere around the 6th inning or so, the puke had made its way under our feet. She stood up to cheer a sacrifice bunt and that’s when she slipped in the puke and smashed her head on the seat….we had to leave and she’s been in a coma ever since. I sure do miss her smile.
Ward
June 19th, 2012
4:11 pm
Anways, I hope the Braves can pull away with some thing tonight? We need a good game.
Mitchell
June 19th, 2012
4:12 pm
Anyway, now that Beachy is out for the remainder of the season our playoff hopes are out the window.
It’s not like a team has ever made the playoffs or won a World Series for that matter with their best pitcher on the disabled list.
Oh no, wait. That happened last year.
Nevermind.
The Braves could never do that though because their fans aren’t as passionate as Cardinal fan base, which is just the best there is even though Busch stadium sounded like a hospital library during the 8th inning of a tie game between the two teams in May.
But the point is they’re better than we are and we just don’t deserve it.
It’s only fair when you think about it.
tiger297
June 19th, 2012
4:13 pm
ward – with the season ticket holder discount that isn’t far off what it costs me now-that is a regular dog you can get the super duper loaded with stuff dog for around 4
MikeInFl
June 19th, 2012
4:13 pm
“We talk baseball, other sports, music, vomit, movies, BBQ and whatever (except politics or religion)”
phil
June 19th, 2012
4:14 pm
I think Murph was kidding, bravesgrl…..
I also think my impending dinner in a few hours has been ruined.
B_F 54
June 19th, 2012
4:14 pm
Go to work time for me and the hapless nine
Beat the d***m Yanks tonight
Bay Area Steve
June 19th, 2012
4:14 pm
I don’t think a fair comparison can be made from a kid getting sick, and a drunk getting sick, whatever the volume of sickness.
CrαZy
June 19th, 2012
4:14 pm
If someone ever puked on me at a game I sure hope I’m not sitting in the front row of the upper deck!!! They might end up with an upgraded ticket to the lower level!!
Murph
June 19th, 2012
4:14 pm
And how would you feel if your kid was the one who threw up and you were in that situation?
If the 4 year old goes to a game and gets lit and pukes, it’s her own fault.
I’m not very sympathetic of people who get drunk, act like idiots, and get a bit of a whoopin’ because of it. Know your limits or stay home where you can puke all over the place without ruining the experience for others.
Efrim
June 19th, 2012
4:15 pm
Very Francoeur-esque splits.
Was thinking the same thing RC was. Of course, Frenchy hit RHP for his career better than what Heyward is doing this year vs. LHP.
And on the flip side, Francouer on based .345 vs. LHP.
Ward
June 19th, 2012
4:15 pm
tiger – I hear you, and that’s what hurting the game. The management is never thinking about the fans.
Bat Masterson
June 19th, 2012
4:15 pm
Hillbilly _
TheOnlyBravesFan
June 19th, 2012
4:16 pm
Thank God the game isn’t at Turner Field…. I’d be afraid to go cuz bravesgrl’s niece might puke on me….;)
Ward
June 19th, 2012
4:16 pm
Yeah, if you puke stay home……agree.
phil
June 19th, 2012
4:16 pm
Mitchell – what the hell does your 4:12 have to do with vomit?
And Mike down in Fl? Funny!
jfreak13713
June 19th, 2012
4:17 pm
The Beachy injury is huge as their starting rotation was average on its best days. Without a trade or some of the other guys really stepping up I’d say the Braves will finish just a head of the Marlins and behind Washington, Philly, and the Mets. Hopefully, the can manage a trade and minor and delgado can continue to improve?? Hopefully?
The offense is the hard thing to figure out! They seem to have guys who can hit but never hitting together?? Heyward is an issue in this lineup and may need some time in the minors or TRADED while there is still some value? I love the guy but he hasn’t hit in nearly two years! Chipper is just old and can’t be viewed as a reliable producer and Uggla and Mac are both have ok years but nothing that would carry the team. Hopefully Freeman can get back healthy and the Braves can figure something out in Right Field but right now this team has a .500 feel to them.
bravesgrl4life
June 19th, 2012
4:17 pm
I totally agree,Murph, which is why I was pi**ed at my niece as much as anything.
Okay, that horse is dead now.
I just hope Hillbilly was kidding.
flange1
June 19th, 2012
4:17 pm
Good one Hillbilly!
CrαZy
June 19th, 2012
4:17 pm
4:14– If the person was sick from drinking too much!
B_F 54
June 19th, 2012
4:17 pm
Thanks Hillbilly I just smiled all over myself
Ward
June 19th, 2012
4:18 pm
New name for Truner Field. “The Dark Hole”…….All, have a good one! Peace my friends, and Let’s get a “W”…….It can happen…..”Go!!!!!Braves!!!!!”
Heisenberg
June 19th, 2012
4:18 pm
lunch at 4:11 in the afternoon?
bravesgrl4life
June 19th, 2012
4:18 pm
Nah, TOBF, I think (hope) she’s learned her lesson. But I don’t think I’ll be taking her to any more of the Thanks Bobby! tailgate parties. Tomahawkin’ can tell you, she was having a little too much fun.
Efrim
June 19th, 2012
4:19 pm
Reasonable expectations had Heyward plugged as having similar platoon splits to Jeff Francouer in his early career.
cabravesfan
June 19th, 2012
4:21 pm
lunch at 4:11 in the afternoon?
Nope. Not quite 1:30 here
nolie
June 19th, 2012
4:21 pm
NBD, we got fools puking all over our blog all the time
Lew
June 19th, 2012
4:21 pm
Crazy – No, not particularly.
I haven’t had alcohol since 1986 when they first started to medicate me for diabetes and the older glycemic inhibitors could throw you into respiratory failure and I just never started drinking again after they changed the medication.
I have no problem with others drinking, smoking dope or doing whatever they choose to do – it;’s their business and they can screw themselves up however they desire, but if you can’t hold your drink or drugs, maybe you don’t need to e doing them in public – and you definitely don’t need to be behind the wheel of a vehicle (not saying that was the case with Bravegirl’s neice).
No I don’t like the smell of puke – but I’m a Dad and have cleaned up my share – and I don’t wish anyone sickness in any way shape or form – but at a balgame, I’d prefer not to smell, anything except peanuts, popcorn or someone’s windblown, cheap perfume..
Jimmy
June 19th, 2012
4:23 pm
Heisenberg – Think timezones. California.
No. 1 Braves Fan
June 19th, 2012
4:23 pm
DOB: Why do your blogs differ from those of MB and JS? There seems to be an afternoon gathering of mostly chit-chat among a regular group rather than the normal posts on other Braves blogs.
Imagineer
June 19th, 2012
4:24 pm
Time to try some new things:
Lineup–
Bourn
Chipper
Prado
Uggla
Simmons
Mac
Heyward
Freeman
Pitcher
monty
June 19th, 2012
4:24 pm
Hillbilly- From the old blog- “Adam Sandler, though, not Chris Farley.”
Yeh, Adam sang the song but on the SNL skit Farley played the lunch room lady!
You can see it on youtube, it makes the song doubly funny.
cabravesfan
June 19th, 2012
4:24 pm
I did have some wonderful roasted garbanzo beans mixed with some hot salt, tabasco sauce, chili powder, & cayenne pepper…oh, and some cajun seasoning also
The Red
June 19th, 2012
4:24 pm
There we go! MLB Network just made fun of our DH batting 9th. Only 34th time it’s happened!
ncscoots
June 19th, 2012
4:25 pm
I get really tired of someone injecting a baseball post into a puke thread. Let’s try to stay on point, here.
Efrim
June 19th, 2012
4:25 pm
The top headline on mlbtraderumors.com: “Sugar Land Skeeters Expected To Sign Scott Kazmir”
Oh how the mighty have fallen.
bravesgrl4life
June 19th, 2012
4:25 pm
It’s the cost of being 24 years old (and 24 today is not what it was 20 years ago, I’ll tell ya!). And she was most defintely not driving – we were in my 2012 Challenger. Ain’t nobody by myself or my husband driving that thing! Tomahawkin saw it and she’s the prettiest car out there!
Kentavo
June 19th, 2012
4:25 pm
Yeah, but what would you call the Franceour-Heyward platoon? The J-French Kid?
tmc
June 19th, 2012
4:26 pm
**”Of the 184 runs Braves pitchers have surrendered this season, 122 have come with two out.”**
Where does this stat rank in MLB and NL?
Because this sounds like a horrible stat, but it needs to be put in context to fully understand.
Efrim
June 19th, 2012
4:26 pm
Time to try some new things:
Ah, Andrelton Simmons hitting in front of Brian McCann, Jason Heyward and Freddie Freeman …..
we’re in more trouble than I thought.
FEAR
June 19th, 2012
4:26 pm
whatever. it’s the same crap every year with the Brave’s hitting. The only thing different this year is the pitching blows.
phil
June 19th, 2012
4:26 pm
windblown, cheap perfume….
hmmmm
Jimmy
June 19th, 2012
4:27 pm
ncscoots – “I get really tired of someone injecting a baseball post into a puke thread. Let’s try to stay on point, here.”
Well, it kinda fits with the way the Braves have been playing lately.
Huddie on the mound tonight. We’ve got a chance.
Efrim
June 19th, 2012
4:27 pm
Yeah, but what would you call the Franceour-Heyward platoon? The J-French Kid?
I refuse to make fun of Jason – even though this has some potential…..
Murph
June 19th, 2012
4:27 pm
Yeah, but what would you call the Franceour-Heyward platoon?
I’d call it “throwing in the towel” and “time to find a new favorite team”.
Tomahawkin
June 19th, 2012
4:27 pm
S/O To FEAR!
Daniel Jones
June 19th, 2012
4:27 pm
excellent article and great read thank you.
Daniel Jones
http://www.ornamentsandmore.com/baseball-ornaments.aspx
Hillbilly
June 19th, 2012
4:28 pm
Thanks monty. Ease lined me out about that yesterday. I’ll check it out.
Lew
June 19th, 2012
4:28 pm
Hillbilly – In Roger Waters hands, that story could be a real rock show. I can envision the production and the touring company – maybe Snowy White on guitar for the band?
Tomahawkin
June 19th, 2012
4:28 pm
bravesgrl4life
June 19th, 2012
4:25 pm
“It’s the cost of being 24 years old (and 24 today is not what it was 20 years ago, I’ll tell ya!). And she was most defintely not driving – we were in my 2012 Challenger. Ain’t nobody by myself or my husband driving that thing! Tomahawkin saw it and she’s the prettiest car out there!”
Yes, Its a Nice Whip!
BravesfaninWis
June 19th, 2012
4:29 pm
Hard to stay cheering for a team that just doesn’t get it. I don’t call myself a Braves fan just to say it. I grew up in south Florida and was a Braves fan well before there were any teams in Florida. It would have been easy to convert to a Marlins or Rays fan, but I am a fan until the end. I am however sick of supporting a team that is cheap and can’t sign players, has a clueless coaching staff, a clueless front office, and a team that chokes away every opportunity they have in front of them. I will be a fan till I die, but I will not support this stale team until they make changes.
Jimmy
June 19th, 2012
4:29 pm
tmc – if that stat is accurate, it is pretty amazing.
Where is our stat man from SC??
Mitchell
June 19th, 2012
4:29 pm
What’s with all this vomit talk?
I don’t get it.
Please explain.
ncscoots
June 19th, 2012
4:30 pm
There seems to be an afternoon gathering of mostly chit-chat among a regular group rather than the normal posts on other Braves blogs.
I think the indicator here is describing the content of the Bradley and Schultz blogs as “normal”.
Tomahawkin
June 19th, 2012
4:30 pm
FEAR
June 19th, 2012
4:26 pm
“whatever. it’s the same crap every year with the Brave’s hitting. The only thing different this year is the pitching blows.”
Co-Sign!
Lil' Barry Bailout (Unexpectedly Revised Downward - Again)
June 19th, 2012
4:30 pm
So the Braves “big arms” aren’t so big, and the same offense that stunk last year also stinks this year.
In his heart, Frank Wren knew this is pretty much how things were going to turn out after he took the entire winter off.
FEAR
June 19th, 2012
4:31 pm
what’s up TH?
monty
June 19th, 2012
4:31 pm
Bourn-hitting
Prado-currently not hitting
Jones-not hitting
McCann- might be starting to hit some
Freeman- prolly not going to hit
Uggla- can hit Hr’s on occassion, walks and k’s the rest of the time
Heyward-useless against LHP, hits righties pretty good
Simmons- hitting perhaps better than expected-
HInski- hasn’t hit anything in the past month
Go get em Huddy!
Tomahawkin
June 19th, 2012
4:32 pm
@FEAR
NM Bro, bout to go play in Traffic (US 78) all the way to Grayson, Hold The Fort Down
DAP
June 19th, 2012
4:32 pm
efrim Reasonable expectations had Heyward plugged as having similar platoon splits to Jeff Francouer in his early career.
good thing for heyward though, if you can only hit pitchers from one side, you want it to be the right side.
Charlie Rich
June 19th, 2012
4:32 pm
How can you expect to win with a line-up like this:
McCann – Declining at the plate, average catcher
Freeman – Talented but makes Chipper Jones look like an Iron Man
Uggla – Leads the team in K’s and errors
Simmons – Good young talent
Jones – Overpaid, broken down cheerleader
Prado – Solid ballplayer
Bourn – Solid ballplayer; hamstrung on the bases by Freddi
Hayward – Overrated bust that plays a lazy game
Bench – Weak, washed up players that should thank the Braves for giving them a job
Heisenberg
June 19th, 2012
4:33 pm
The left coast – got it. Was in Arizona recently. Did not like the time zone difference. No late baseball games to fall asleep to and a Sunday braves game started at 11am. It was strange.
faninva
June 19th, 2012
4:33 pm
every time i see Bryce Harper, i think – “now that is what i thought Heyward would be”
Ya, I know, long way to go before we make Harper “all that”, but damn, he’s good.
RC
June 19th, 2012
4:33 pm
There seems to be an afternoon gathering of mostly chit-chat among a regular group rather than the normal posts on other Braves blogs.
It is. But once you get past some version of “I agree” or “I disagree” with the subject of the blog, what purpose is there to really hang around if not to chit-chat with a group of regulars. It’s a pretty friendly group, and if you pose questions and/or comments to people you will usually get a response.
tmc
June 19th, 2012
4:34 pm
One question i have for Frank Wren or anyone in the front office of the Braves would be:
How many years of below average hitting does it take before the “evaluation” of the lineup as it pertains to offense is deemed incorrect?
Cause, we are about in year 4 or 5. (and that might be conservative)
bravesgrl4life
June 19th, 2012
4:34 pm
Read backwards, Mitchell. I was talking about my niece at the Smoltz retirement game.
RC
June 19th, 2012
4:35 pm
every time i see Bryce Harper, i think – “now that is what i thought Heyward would be”
In all fairness, at the time Heyward had played as many games as Harper has, he still appeared to be that guy.
But Harper is really good.
TheOnlyBravesFan
June 19th, 2012
4:35 pm
2012 Challenger, eh? Nice.
There seems to be an afternoon gathering of mostly chit-chat among a regular group rather than the normal posts on other Braves blogs.
This blog is waay more cool than MB or JS blogs, in my opinion. More interaction…
Efrim
June 19th, 2012
4:35 pm
good thing for heyward though, if you can only hit pitchers from one side, you want it to be the right side.
Yes, important. I mean, again, Andre Ethier just made 85 million dollars being a below average defensive outfielder who can’t hit LHP at all…..
Creams RH’s, but still.
cabravesfan
June 19th, 2012
4:36 pm
Sunday Braves start at 10 here…It’s kinda nice actually, eat breakfast, watch baseball, still have the entire afternoon for other things (especially when it’s nice in the summer- we can go down to the pier and this fabulous dive bar that is right on the water and watch the sun set
)
REAGAN2012
June 19th, 2012
4:36 pm
I HOPE JARE CAN KEEP HIS BALLS DOWN IN BSOTON OR THEY GONNA GET BLOWN OUT BY THE LOWLY REDSUX
Fredi's Fu Manchu
June 19th, 2012
4:37 pm
Trade prospects? Blasphemy! I got news for ya – Teheran and Delgado and Minor are more style than substance. Gotta hope you can snooker someone Frank – you overplayed this hand.
Hillbilly
June 19th, 2012
4:37 pm
I can see envision it Lew. A sequel to Amused to Death.
Roger Waters, Snowy White, Doyle Brammel II, and Andy Fairweather-Low
tmc
June 19th, 2012
4:37 pm
Jimmy- i agree, but i would like to see that % in context with the other teams before reacting badly.
faninva
June 19th, 2012
4:38 pm
RC – yes, you are SO right..which just makes it more disappointing.
FEAR
June 19th, 2012
4:38 pm
yeah JJ in Fenway is begging for trouble
stew
June 19th, 2012
4:38 pm
With all that is written about the manager, couldn’t we expect the end to Fruti within a week. I mean it’s time already.
ACE
June 19th, 2012
4:38 pm
Here we go again. Another blog listing the braves woes and not one mention of the terrible moves made by Fredi.
Efrim
June 19th, 2012
4:39 pm
On May 30th, 2010, Heyward was hitting .301/.421/.596 through his first 190 plate appearances and I’m pretty sure everyone thought this kid was going to be the next great baseball player. Still might happen, but he’s taken quite a nosedive since.
CrαZy
June 19th, 2012
4:39 pm
Trivia:
Which 2 players have more than 500 career HR’s and less than 1000 Strike outs?
Andrelton Simmons
June 19th, 2012
4:40 pm
You’re kind of nit picking on the Heyward stats DOB and making them look worse than he has been lately IMO.
I mean yes his last 8 games his OBP is .295 but his last 10 games his average is .314, his last 5 games his average is .333, and he also has 3 doubles in his last 5 games. For the month of June Heyward is averaging .320, .346 OBP, .540 SLG %, and a .886 OPS which are all remarkable numbers for any outfielder. Heyward has as many XBH as he had in April when he was playing well he’s on his way to a double digit doubles total for the month of June which is impressive. Heyward has probably been the 2nd best hitter in our lineup in the month of June so far, but he does need to get back to drawing more walks like he used to.
It’s not his fault he constantly bats 6th and 7th instead of 4th or 5th. His RBI numbers would be way up in the month of June if he was batting higher in the order and the way he’s been producing at the plate lately he should be batting higher in the lineup
DAP
June 19th, 2012
4:40 pm
efrim I mean, again, Andre Ethier just made 85 million dollars being a below average defensive outfielder who can’t hit LHP at all…..
Creams RH’s, but still.
since 75% of pitchers are righthanded, he ends up with good looking totals.
RC
June 19th, 2012
4:41 pm
RC – yes, you are SO right..which just makes it more disappointing
My point was more that there is plenty of time for Harper to disappoint also…he just hasn’t been around long enough to.
I don’t think that he will, just that we have to wait to see if he continues this.
Jimmy
June 19th, 2012
4:41 pm
Mitchell – Here is the story, as I can piece it together:
bg4life took her 24 year old niece Samantha to a Braves game. She got all prissy and drunk and then puked.
Murph was sitting in front of her. He made her take off her shirt and clean it up. But not even windblown cheap perfume could mask the smell, so they asked an usher for different seats.
They left the puke smell with Murph.
Thats kinda of what happened.
Latter Good Folks. Go BARVES!
ncscoots
June 19th, 2012
4:42 pm
Here we go again. Another blog listing the braves woes and not one mention of the terrible moves made by Fredi.
It’s a conspiracy, man.
Jimmy
June 19th, 2012
4:43 pm
tmc – me too. Real interesting. Someone is sure to dig it up.
Later all.
monty
June 19th, 2012
4:43 pm
Braves against the Yanks reminds me of my Little League days when you had to play that one team that somehow managed to get the best 3-4 players in the league on the same team.
Everyone Sing Along
June 19th, 2012
4:43 pm
(to the tune of Colonel Bogey’s March)
Comet!
It makes your mouth turn green!
Comet!
It tastes like gasoline!
Comet! It makes you vomit! So buy some comet, and vomit today!
CrαZy
June 19th, 2012
4:43 pm
Here we go again. Another blog listing the braves woes and not one mention of the terrible moves made by Fredi.
And what purpose would it do if he did? You seem to have your mind made up and It’s not like the Braves take advise from a writer. So why complain? Plus the players are the main reason we aren’t winning!
yep
June 19th, 2012
4:43 pm
I’d shuffle the line up
Bourne
Freeman
Jones
Uggla
McCann
Heyward
Prado
Simmons
Hinske
Hillbilly
June 19th, 2012
4:44 pm
Which 2 players have more than 500 career HR’s and less than 1000 Strike outs?
Jo-Jo Reyes and Chuck James. Boom! Pay the man.
Wait, you’re talking about batters aren’t you?
phil
June 19th, 2012
4:44 pm
That’s pretty good, Jimmy!
Ted Williams was probably one of em, crazy…
Shaun
June 19th, 2012
4:44 pm
every time i see Bryce Harper, i think – “now that is what i thought Heyward would be”
Ya, I know, long way to go before we make Harper “all that”, but damn, he’s good.
If you think any prospect would be like Bryce Harper, time to rethink things. Harper is not in a class with even your typical number one prospects. He’s in a class with the guys like A-Rod and Griffey…and that’s about it.
Frankie Wren
June 19th, 2012
4:45 pm
Mixxo,
Doubtful you played more ball and not buying you being very knowledgable regarding the game but not a big deal. That isn’t what I’m getting at
The shock jock comments are just are old man. Get a dog if you crave instant attention.
CrαZy
June 19th, 2012
4:45 pm
I’d shuffle the line up
That’s ground breaking!!!
Frankie Wren
June 19th, 2012
4:45 pm
Mixxo,
Doubtful you played more ball and not buying you being very knowledgable regarding the game but not a big deal. That isn’t what I’m getting at
The shock jock comments are just are old man. Get a dog if you crave instant attention.
ACE
June 19th, 2012
4:45 pm
Must be time for another Harley ride.
FEAR
June 19th, 2012
4:45 pm
fredi aint helping either.
faninva
June 19th, 2012
4:45 pm
RC – understood.
monty
June 19th, 2012
4:45 pm
Jimmy-”Latter Good Folks. Go BARVES!”
Jimmy is obviously off to the game to sit behind Murph.
DAP
June 19th, 2012
4:45 pm
CraZy It’s not like the Braves take advise from a writer
this makes me think of the guy who wanted DOB to offer some solutions to all the problems he pointed out in the blog. c’mon DOB, you have to come up with some answers!
CrαZy
June 19th, 2012
4:46 pm
phil… yes Ted Williams is one of them.
Mike S
June 19th, 2012
4:46 pm
Now that’s the FMJ lineup we haven’t seen in awhile! Think I’d prefer giving Francisco a shot, especially with that short porch in left and Ski struggling so bad of late, but I ain’t gonna pick nits with it.
I’m in NYC this week, so I’ll get to see ‘em in person shortly, and again tomorrow. I’m pumped! (not as pumped for the high of 95 expected tomorrow however…)
CB
June 19th, 2012
4:48 pm
I suggest we go to the Billy Martin method of breaking a losing streak- put all their names in a hat and draw them out. Cant hurt.
Lew
June 19th, 2012
4:48 pm
Hillbilly and Faninva- You familiar with the Thin Lizzy Album Chinatown? Snowy White plays guitar on it with Scott Gorham – really good stuff – excellent guitar work.
ACE
June 19th, 2012
4:48 pm
We would just like to hear him questioned about his questionable moves. Instead he is given a pass and we are left to cap tipping and you have to believe the back of the bubble gum card.
Screwball
June 19th, 2012
4:49 pm
Mike Francesa on YES just made the point (perhaps already made here) that the Braves are getting screwed by having to play six games with the Yankees while their potential wild card rivals the Giants are playing Oakland six times. is that fair?
RoyU
June 19th, 2012
4:49 pm
With all due respect to the Braves players that are doing their best, what’s the surprise? We’re basically doing the same as we finished last year and just what Wren and Braves ownership knew the team, in reality, were capable of doing going into and leaving spring training!!! If they want to continue fantasizing about the real capability of this team, let them go back to sleep and keep “Dreaming”‘! When they wake uip, we can only hope it will be in the real world and with quite a bit more of common sense. This is a good time to spart rebuilding before that chore becomes even more difficult!!!
ncscoots
June 19th, 2012
4:50 pm
He’s in a class with the guys like A-Rod and Griffey…and that’s about it.
I’m going to guess here, but I doubt you saw Griffey as a 19-year-old. At least, with any understanding of what you were seeing. Harper has some tools, but a comparison with Griffey at the same age is ludicrous.
Efrim
June 19th, 2012
4:50 pm
If you think any prospect would be like Bryce Harper, time to rethink things. Harper is not in a class with even your typical number one prospects. He’s in a class with the guys like A-Rod and Griffey…and that’s about it.
Not Heyward on May 30th, 2010?
monty
June 19th, 2012
4:50 pm
Recall Georgie, we haven’t won since he went back down!
Sad Sack
June 19th, 2012
4:51 pm
Hope Huddy pitches a shutout tonight – only chance the Braves have…
ACE
June 19th, 2012
4:51 pm
You can bet Fredi wouldn’t be getting a pass any other place or if his name was Larry Drew.
tmc
June 19th, 2012
4:51 pm
CraZy- i knew Ted Williams but i had to look up the other…
M.O.
Good trivia ? tho
phil
June 19th, 2012
4:52 pm
Stan Musial? Did he make it to 500?
bravesgrl4life
June 19th, 2012
4:52 pm
Am I the only one (mean-spirited soul that I am
) just hoping that Bryce Harper has a horrible sophomore slump in 2013?
CB
June 19th, 2012
4:52 pm
Sounds like Shaun is having a new love affair. Yeah,scoots is right, no comparing Harper to Griffey.
Lew
June 19th, 2012
4:53 pm
Hillbilly – Just had a friend send me a double album called Rattlesnake Guitar – lots of different people playing Pr Green covers – guitarists a dn other featured artists include White, Dave Peverett and Rod Price of Foghat, Jack Bruce and Gary Moore and all other sorts of Rock Gods, . More good stuff.
TheOnlyBravesFan
June 19th, 2012
4:53 pm
Am I the only one (mean-spirited soul that I am ) just hoping that Bryce Harper has a horrible sophomore slump in 2013?
Why wait for 2013? Why can’t he start now?
monty
June 19th, 2012
4:53 pm
Maybe we’re just having our September moment a little earlier this year. Heck, we might even knock it out early and get on a roll.
Lew
June 19th, 2012
4:53 pm
Peter Green – Really need a new keyboard.
ncscoots
June 19th, 2012
4:53 pm
hoping that Bryce Harper has a horrible sophomore slump in 2013?
The kid still has to get through this year first.
Efrim
June 19th, 2012
4:53 pm
Pretty unbelievable how much contact Griffey, Jr. made with that swing of his.
bravesgrl4life
June 19th, 2012
4:53 pm
I’d be on board with that, TOBF
Coach (2012 Fredi's Beisbol Fandango)
June 19th, 2012
4:53 pm
The Cap Tipper
June 19th, 2012
3:06 pm
“The Braves’ two highest slugging percentages belong to rookie shortstop Simmons (.529, albeit only 51 at-bats) and leadoff man Bourn (.456). I mean, seriously….”
That right there says all you need to know about the Atlanta Braves “offense”. As horrible a manager as Fredi is, and HE IS the worst manager in MLB right now hands down. Even Joe Girardi couldn’t produce wins with this embarrassingly anemic “offense”. I have questioned this team’s heart and effort from opening day, especially since ending last year with the worst collapse in MLB history, losing 20 of 30. I mean this team just doesnt try….period. I don’t care if I get blasted….it’s pathetic for this amount of talent to get shutout or score a single run on an almost nightly basis. I HATE how this team is full of wusses who sit out half the season with “dry eyes, a stomach bug, and a bruise” like the 3,4, and 5 hitters in our lineup did earlier this year. Its disgusting, and EVERY single one of them with the exception of Bourn and Prado is underperforming severely. That tells you one thing…they don’t care and are going through the motions. That falls on Fredi, but it also falls on the leaders of this offense, which has none. Freddie Freeman is underperforming, Jason Heyward is underperforming, Chipper Jones is underperforming, Brian McCann is underperforming, Dan Uggla is underperforming slightly, Eric Hinske is underperforming, Jack Wilson is underperforming, Matt Diaz is underperforming. These are not opinions, every one of those guys is hitting lower than there career averages, with most significantly lower. I mean when 70 percent of your offense is underperforming EVERYTHING is wrong about the team. Simply put that means the manager is an inefficient leader/motivator, laziness in putting in work in the batting cages, poor attitudes, loser mentality/culture in the clubhouse, poor scouting of pitchers, poor conditioning by the hitters, poor efforts ALL THE WAY AROUND….. DISGUSTED…..I usually go to 3-4 games a year, but am boycotting the rest of the year, and am feverishly convincing others not to attend games. I write a weekly letter to the Braves explaining WHY they are such a poorly run, lazy, country club organization and HOW other more modern organizations are passing them by the minute.
>>>>>>>>>>>..
Well said. However, you left Frank Wren off the list of those under performing. The man has lost perspective and his obvious mistakes keep piling up. Example:
Pastornicky over Simmons, ignoring Jurrjens horrible spring numbers, keeping Medlen in the pen, not going with his best performing five starters, adding Hernandez then dumping the Cuban disaster, an ineffective bench, etc.
ACE
June 19th, 2012
4:53 pm
Someone said Fredi is not the one playing. He NEVER played at the major league level.
phil
June 19th, 2012
4:53 pm
Mel Ott?
Mitchell
June 19th, 2012
4:54 pm
Jimmy
June 19th, 2012
4:41 pm
Mitchell – Here is the story, as I can piece it together:
bg4life took her 24 year old niece Samantha to a Braves game. She got all prissy and drunk and then puked.
Murph was sitting in front of her. He made her take off her shirt and clean it up. But not even windblown cheap perfume could mask the smell, so they asked an usher for different seats.
They left the puke smell with Murph.
Thats kinda of what happened.
Latter Good Folks. Go BARVES!
That cannot possibly be a true story.
Do you people actually go to games together and/or know each other in real life?
That’s weird.
oh yeah
June 19th, 2012
4:54 pm
Delgado and Minor have been better lately. Hudson and Hanson are pretty solid. If JJ can figure out how to do like he did the 1st half 2011 we’d a decent rotation. And Minor and Delgado prove to be too inconsistent then trade one for some quality releivers and move Medlin to the rotation.
ChattTownBrian
June 19th, 2012
4:54 pm
BAS, thank ya.
Hillbilly
June 19th, 2012
4:54 pm
Lew, I’m not. I don’t know much of anything about Thin Lizzy.
bravesgrl4life
June 19th, 2012
4:54 pm
Mitchell, I guess some of us do. I’ve met Tomahawkin.
George Stein
June 19th, 2012
4:54 pm
Yes! Let’s put the guy with .296 OBP in front of the guys with the .352, .331, and .393 OBPs. Awesome idea, Fredi!
CrαZy
June 19th, 2012
4:55 pm
Yeah Mel Ott and Ted Williams
ncscoots
June 19th, 2012
4:55 pm
Pretty unbelievable how much contact Griffey, Jr. made with that swing of his.
GPS eye at the plate and magic wrists.
Efrim
June 19th, 2012
4:55 pm
Sounds like Shaun is having a new love affair
If we rewind to what he was saying about Heyward 2 years ago and then look at the “reasonable expectations” comment – I can’t help but laugh out loud at work.
phil
June 19th, 2012
4:55 pm
Mitchell – nevermind.
ACE
June 19th, 2012
4:56 pm
Fredi has lost this team long ago. They have quit trying. Terry Francona lost his job because of that last year and Fredi should have too.
Efrim
June 19th, 2012
4:56 pm
Let’s put the guy with .296 OBP in front of the guys with the .352, .331, and .393 OBPs. Awesome idea, Fredi!
But Freeman just looks like a better hitter, George…..
FEAR
June 19th, 2012
4:56 pm
shoulda traded JJ when we had the chance.
Shaun
June 19th, 2012
4:57 pm
Screwball, here’s another point: Folks freaking out are basically looking at only an 8-game stretch.
How many players and teams play exactly the same every 8 games throughout a season?
How about broadening your horizons and look at how the Braves are likely to play for the rest of the season, and looking at what their record so far and how they are likely to play going forward will result in at the end of the season? I see absolutely nothing, based on a broader view of the team, that indicates the Braves will not finish with something around 90 wins. Could they be better or worse than that? Sure. But I think something around 90 wins is still very reasonable. Of course if we evaluate them 8 games at a time or something like that, we’ll probably view them differently and we’ll likely end up being wrong.
bravesgrl4life
June 19th, 2012
4:59 pm
Alright, y’all. I’m heading for home to see the new old 70 Cuda Convertible sitting in my driveway. Probably be on later with no vomit talk
George Stein
June 19th, 2012
4:59 pm
I guess so, Efrim. I mean, I had to chuckle at the note about Heyward’s OBP for the last eight games because that’s Freeman’s for the ENTIRE SEASON.
It must be because Freeman is an RBI guy.
ACE
June 19th, 2012
4:59 pm
Frank needs to admit the terrible moves he has made, KK, DLowe and hiring Fredi just to name a few.
Frankie Wren
June 19th, 2012
4:59 pm
Chance it might happen but don’t get your hopes up on Harper having a horrible slump next year
0-7 with 5 punchouts and kid follows up with 2 knocks the next day and making contact on each plate appearance.
Kentavo
June 19th, 2012
5:00 pm
Well Harper may be cocky and the league may adjust to him, etc., but at least he gives effort and plays hard.
Efrim
June 19th, 2012
5:01 pm
I’m still saying Heyward parks one in the short porch in RF over the next two games. I got a feelin…..
CB
June 19th, 2012
5:01 pm
Anybody other than me want to ask bravesgrl4life if Tomahawkin has a yellow behind? Just kidding
Lew
June 19th, 2012
5:01 pm
Coach – Maybe that time in AA helped Simmons be as successful as he has in the bigs. You can’t really say that Pastornicky playing for a couple of months was a mistake cause you just don’t know.
phil
June 19th, 2012
5:02 pm
We could win tonight if we don’t drive in any runs…
jzdc
June 19th, 2012
5:02 pm
God, that’s terrifying. I have to watch this team play 95 more games!?
ncbravesfan90
June 19th, 2012
5:02 pm
Heat advisory for New York City…95 degrees tomorrow for a day start should feel nice haha
Efrim
June 19th, 2012
5:02 pm
I mean, I had to chuckle at the note about Heyward’s OBP for the last eight games because that’s Freeman’s for the ENTIRE SEASON.
It will be interesting to see how folks treat Freddie if he tanks this year. Will people just blame the eyes and finger?
Shaun
June 19th, 2012
5:03 pm
Efrim, what exactly was I saying 2 years ago? Probably not what you remember.
ncscoots
June 19th, 2012
5:03 pm
Harper hasn’t even been once around the league, yet. If folks think that Bryce Harper can’t be pitched to, or that ML pitchers won’t figure out how to do so, they need a new book.
Slurvy
June 19th, 2012
5:03 pm
Is there a precedent somewhere in recent baseball history for me to base my hopes for JJ to come through with a turnaround in the majors after pitching so poorly in the minors?
Frankie Wren
June 19th, 2012
5:03 pm
“Frank needs to admit the terrible moves he has made, KK, DLowe and hiring Fredi just to name a few.”
Does he do this at confession? Go on Oprah?
David O'Brien
June 19th, 2012
5:05 pm
Braves play to DH Chipper tomorrow, for those wondering. Fredi hopes that McCann will be able to catch tomorrow, with day off Thursday.
Frankie Wren
June 19th, 2012
5:06 pm
“Harper hasn’t even been once around the league, yet. If folks think that Bryce Harper can’t be pitched to, or that ML pitchers won’t figure out how to do so, they need a new book.”
Let’s review that one next year around this time. I’m inclined to think his numbers will be better than what he’s produced so far. The guy has a incredible baseball IQ already.
Sopheee
June 19th, 2012
5:06 pm
Anybody other than me want to ask bravesgrl4life if Tomahawkin has a yellow behind? Just kidding
I know you really want to know if he does, CB.
Hi by the way! Long time no see.
Nerdville
June 19th, 2012
5:06 pm
Liberty Media Moguls keep putting the same AA/AAA product on the field year and year cause they know you saps will keep falling for it. Don’t you suckers ever get it? Turner is gone, ain’t coming back. The team is probably controlled by some mid-level corporate budget manager and his budget spreadsheets working out of a cubicle at Company headquarters in Colorado.
Lew
June 19th, 2012
5:06 pm
jzdc – NO, actually, you don’t have to watch any of the remaining games if it pains you that badly.
phil
June 19th, 2012
5:07 pm
ncbravesfan90
June 19th, 2012
5:02 pm
Heat advisory for New York City…95 degrees tomorrow for a day start should feel nice haha
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Guaranteed day of for Mac then….sigh!!
And yes, Efrim…you can bet your ass the blame will be the eyes and the fingers if FF tanks.
Remember Heyward and the shoulder, thumb and whatever else could be drummed up?
MD Braves fan
June 19th, 2012
5:07 pm
In a brilliant move by Frediot, the coldest hitter on team ( which is sayin somethin) Hinske is DH tonight. Fire Frediot!!
NickB
June 19th, 2012
5:08 pm
people are still saying Heyward is a bust? lmao you don’t know what you are talking about! He’s gonna be a 5 WAR player this year at 22!!! that’s pretty amazing stuff.
By the time he’s 24, he will probably be a 7+ WAR player, and that’s MVP territory
Shaun
June 19th, 2012
5:08 pm
ncscoots, Harper will have struggles perhaps for a few more seasons. But only the most unreasonable expect a prospect to be a superstar from day one, in every single case, even in the case of the most talented prospects in recent memory.
George Stein
June 19th, 2012
5:09 pm
Freddie has gotten a complete pass, Efrim, and I’m okay with that. He’s 22, and he’s been hurt this season. But, he has got to stop hacking at entry pitch he sees. Even with the injury, or perhaps even because of it, he should be more selective.
TheOnlyBravesFan
June 19th, 2012
5:09 pm
BREAKING: Phillies 2B Freddy Galvis suspended 50 games after testing positive for a banned substance.
Sucks… wasn’t he on DL and about to come back? They need Utley, and fast…
ChattTownBrian
June 19th, 2012
5:09 pm
Harper is playing like a mad man right now, but let’s wait a few years or less to see if it continues.
ncbravesfan90
June 19th, 2012
5:09 pm
What is going on with the weather up North? Suppose to be 101 in Boston tomorrow, thats crazy!
Efrim
June 19th, 2012
5:09 pm
Probably not what you remember.
That Heyward was a once-in-a-generation talent and then you followed that up by saying a 97 OPS+ that he’s provided the last two years is “reasonable expectations” – of course, I was on my honeymoon when the comment was made, and by the grace of god I was allowed to see it.
David O'Brien
June 19th, 2012
5:09 pm
DOB: Why do your blogs differ from those of MB and JS? There seems to be an afternoon gathering of mostly chit-chat among a regular group rather than the normal posts on other Braves blogs. — No. 1 Braves Fan
I bring out the chit-chat in people, I guess.
CB
June 19th, 2012
5:10 pm
Hi, Soph.Thanks and I hope my friend is well. Beat The Petrel!
LakeDawg
June 19th, 2012
5:11 pm
The Braves have hitters? BTW I didn’t think Chipper was retiring until the END of this year. What gives?
George Stein
June 19th, 2012
5:11 pm
Bingo, NickB.
Efrim
June 19th, 2012
5:12 pm
And yes, Efrim…you can bet your ass the blame will be the eyes and the fingers if FF tanks.
Remember Heyward and the shoulder, thumb and whatever else could be drummed up?
I guess that’s my point. You feel like it was drummed up and not the truth. Will you feel the same about Freddie Freeman? Drummed up lies?
HAL
June 19th, 2012
5:12 pm
if fredis brain tears bad enough his cap will tip into the crevice created lol
Efrim
June 19th, 2012
5:13 pm
Is he really on pace to be a 4-5 Win player? Good lord, I haven’t been on Fangraphs in ages.
Lew
June 19th, 2012
5:13 pm
ncbravesfan – No idea. It was a high of 68 and a low of 38 here in Vermont two days ago and it’s supposed to be 97 tomorrow and back to the mid 70’s by the weekend. Go figure.
Mitchell
June 19th, 2012
5:14 pm
I HATE how this team is full of wusses who sit out half the season with “dry eyes, a stomach bug, and a bruise” like the 3,4, and 5 hitters in our lineup did earlier this year. Its disgusting, and EVERY single one of them with the exception of Bourn and Prado is underperforming severely.
Booyah!
Word of the day.
Word to your mother.
But you know what f’ing p*sses me the f*** off are guys like Gregor Blanco, Melky Cabrera and Wilson Betemit filling significant roles for teams not only in contention but with better records and with greater probability of being in the race for their respective divisions or the wild card at the very least when September rolls around.
How does it also go completely without mention in the media that for the first time in five seasons the Phillies are out of the playoff picture almost completely and the Braves are still only good enough for second or third place?
Somehow that’s not the kind of relevant storyline on sports radio as it would be in almost any city in the country where the media actually gives a sh!t about the baseball team and doesn’t constantly make excuses.
Contrast that with the Falcons where all you hear is that if they don’t win a playoff game the season is a complete disappointment.
There’s no standard the Braves have to either meet or exceed therefore they accomplish nothing.
Efrim
June 19th, 2012
5:14 pm
Okay, forget it: http://www.fangraphs.com/leaders.aspx?pos=rf&stats=bat&lg=all&qual=y&type=8&season=2012&month=0&season1=2012&ind=0&team=0&rost=0&age=0&players=0
phil
June 19th, 2012
5:15 pm
Efrim
June 19th, 2012
5:12 pm
And yes, Efrim…you can bet your ass the blame will be the eyes and the fingers if FF tanks.
Remember Heyward and the shoulder, thumb and whatever else could be drummed up?
I guess that’s my point. You feel like it was drummed up and not the truth. Will you feel the same about Freddie Freeman? Drummed up lies?
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Nah….I’m sure Heyward had his actual issues.
FF’s have been easier to “see” though…well, not his eyes…
Hell, i don’t know. I just want to win some ballgames.
Shaun
June 19th, 2012
5:15 pm
That Heyward was a once-in-a-generation talent and then you followed that up by saying a 97 OPS+ that he’s provided the last two years is “reasonable expectations”
Efrim, I don’t remember saying that he was a once-in-a-generation talent but maybe I did. So, are these two things mutually exclusive? Can a player not be a once-in-a-generation talent (or something fairly close to it) and also post a 97 OPS+ in a two year stretch before turning 23?
If Bryce Harper and Mike Trout post 97 OPS+ in two year stretches before they turn 23, I would not change my long-term views of them as rare talents, provided they don’t all of the sudden become hackers with absolutely no power or something like that. But as long as the underlying tools and skills appear to still be there, I think age 22 and younger is a bit too early to completely change long-term expectations.
Mitchell
June 19th, 2012
5:15 pm
I bring out the chit-chat in people, I guess.
No chit.
Efrim
June 19th, 2012
5:15 pm
Heyward has been more valuable than Giancarlo Stanton according to WAR…….
njbraves
June 19th, 2012
5:16 pm
Complaining about payroll is getting old. Do the Yankees have an advantage, absolutely. But what about TB, Minny for years, and a few others. If you construct your team properly and get a little lucky, you can win.
Murph
June 19th, 2012
5:16 pm
Who was the last MVP to hit .240-something?
NickB
June 19th, 2012
5:16 pm
@ Efrim
yep he’s at 2.2 WAR through 64 games, might even push 6 depending on the 2nd half
Freeman is who worries me, his BB% isn’t very good and he swing at too many first pitches
ncbravesfan90
June 19th, 2012
5:16 pm
Lew-
I guess summer is officially coming in with a bang tomorrow for the North. Tomorrow is first day of summer.
Lew
June 19th, 2012
5:17 pm
“Word to your mother. But you know what f’ing p*sses me the f*** off…”
Do you actually talk to your mother like that? Or anyone’s mother, for that matter?
NickB
June 19th, 2012
5:18 pm
@ Shaun
exactly, most Big OF’ers (Parker Winfield, Rice…etc) didn’t really develop their total game until age 24. I reckon by 24 Heyward will be in their league if not better.
CB
June 19th, 2012
5:18 pm
Efrim, maybe we need to call Miami.
Coach (2012 Fredi's Beisbol Fandango)
June 19th, 2012
5:19 pm
Lew
June 19th, 2012
5:01 pm
Coach – Maybe that time in AA helped Simmons be as successful as he has in the bigs. You can’t really say that Pastornicky playing for a couple of months was a mistake cause you just don’t know.
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Um, I know that defense is just as important as offense if not more so. Which is something that the vast majority of baseball fans will never understand. Yours truly included.
As for Fredi Gonzalez, the man is stubborn as a damn mule.
Look no further than his line up card. Uggla hasn’t moved from the four hole in the last 36 games while batting .224 with 7 HR’s and 22 RBI. Meanwhile Jason Heyward is hitting .320 in the month of June and yet he’s consistently hitting seventh, which is of course a waste of talent and ability.
I’m a big proponent of….if it ain’t broke, don’t try to fix it. However, something is clearly broken and Fredi keeps running virtually the same middle of the batting order out there every game.
Lew
June 19th, 2012
5:19 pm
ncbraves – Must be our proximity to :”America’s Stonehenge” in New Hampshire. It’s also Midsummer Eve coming up. The Druids are restless.
NickB
June 19th, 2012
5:20 pm
BTW, making the wild card is enough , the evidence is that once you make the playoffs it’s really a crapshoot on winning the world series these days. (as opposed to back when only the best record or 2 best records in each league made it) Being the best team in baseball rarely directly translates to a World Series win anymore. Thank you Bud Selig………….
ncscoots
June 19th, 2012
5:20 pm
Efrim, I don’t remember saying that he was a once-in-a-generation talent but maybe I did.
The archives are just over on the right, and can be accessed at any time.
Can a player not be a once-in-a-generation talent (or something fairly close to it) and also post a 97 OPS+ in a two year stretch before turning 23?
No. Doing so turns the player from a generational talent into merely a player with promise.
George Stein
June 19th, 2012
5:21 pm
The bigger for Freeman is that he plays 1B, NickB, where the offensive standards are higher than any other position on the field.
Lew
June 19th, 2012
5:22 pm
Simmons was also injured at the end of ST Coach. It did him no harm to spend some time at AA. And the Braves won at a pretty good clip while The Rev was up. Much ado about nothing – as usual.
NickB
June 19th, 2012
5:24 pm
@ Coach
Yeah, I’m a big proponent of Heyward in the #2 spot and Prado at #3 then just slot everyone down one spot.
as far as why did Simmons not make the big club? His AB’s in the latter stages of spring training did not look good at all. He was flailing away and not making much contact except straight up in the air. They sent him down so as to get some AA AB’s (generally AA is the biggest leap in pitching quality young hitters face in the minors) so he could settle in. It apparently worked, a I doubt that Simmons we saw in late March would have hit as he is hitting now. (not that he will sustain this hitting level, but he’s obviously better in his plate approach than he was before)
Tana
June 19th, 2012
5:24 pm
Trade McCann for a pitcher and a bat. Easy…saves money and gets rid of a slacker who is starting to feel his age.
Efrim
June 19th, 2012
5:24 pm
Shaun, I guess my point was that, you believe that the organization shouldn’t be surprised(reasonable expectations) that he has posted a 97 OPS+ in his age 22 and 23 seasons. And I think that’s sort of insane given his minor league track record. And well, why in the world would the organization of brought him up at age 20 if they felt that he was going to OPS+ 97 over years 2 and years 3. Just my opinion.
faninva
June 19th, 2012
5:25 pm
Lew- as always, thanks for the recommendation. I’ll check it out!
Efrim
June 19th, 2012
5:27 pm
No. Doing so turns the player from a generational talent into merely a player with promise.
Ah, as usual, scoots frames it up perfectly.
The bigger for Freeman is that he plays 1B, NickB, where the offensive standards are higher than any other position on the field.
Pretty much my only issue with Freddie – and it’s not his fault at all. Really, really hard to be a star at 1B. You have to never stop hitting, which is kind of hard for most humans.
Frank Wren
June 19th, 2012
5:27 pm
To address the recent hitting slump I have another a third hitting coach. His name is Greg Norton.
NickB
June 19th, 2012
5:27 pm
OPS+? to hell with that lousy stat, use RC+ , he was 134 (100 is avg) in 2010, 98 in 2011, and 114 right now, he’s doing rather well
Coach (2012 Fredi's Beisbol Fandango)
June 19th, 2012
5:28 pm
Lew
June 19th, 2012
5:22 pm
Simmons was also injured at the end of ST Coach. It did him no harm to spend some time at AA. And the Braves won at a pretty good clip while The Rev was up. Much ado about nothing – as usual.
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Lew – hot air and full of it, thanks for calling the kettle black.
1991 braves
June 19th, 2012
5:29 pm
The braves payroll would be fine if it wasn’t for a mindless G.M wasting half of it on terrible long term contracts for players that aren’t on the team, or aren’t pulling their weight. Take the $15 million to the pathetic Larry Jones, the $10 million to a worn out pitcher Lowe, $8 million to another worn out pitcher Hudson, another $7 million to K.K., and add to that $4 million to Hinske and Diaz, and you have $45 million wasted. And all of these wonderful contracts were negotiated by the G.M of the year Wren. No G.M. in his right mind would have given Larry Jones, Hudson, and Lowe 3 year contracts, when all 3 were at the end of their careers, or coming off of surgery. And no G.M in his right mind would have resigned Hinske and Diaz to add depth to an already depleted bench. Add that to the fact he hired Fred Flintstone, and that is all there needs to be said about the state of this franchise. This franchise is on very shaky ground, and there are no studs in the minors or in the last draft to help. The future for the braves is looking very bleak, and with Liberty Media running the show, there is no light at the end of this tunnel
DAM
June 19th, 2012
5:30 pm
NickB, I agree, it’s time to move Heyward up in the order. I think his numbers would go up because he would see more pitches to hit by not having the 8/9 hitters behind him. I’ve argued all along that since he is so selective at the plate he is actually harmed by hitting down there. He waits to see a really good pitch, but the pitcher has no reason to throw him a good pitch hitting there, and he often winds up digging himself a hole. Freeman would be better-suited to the 7 hole with his free-swinging style.
Fredi G.
June 19th, 2012
5:30 pm
I didn’t put Simmons on the roster at the start of the season because Frank thought we needed to let him ’stretch out’ in the minors for a while.
George Stein
June 19th, 2012
5:30 pm
Agreed, Efrim, except that he needs to stop channeling his Jeff Francoeur.
Efrim
June 19th, 2012
5:31 pm
OPS+? to hell with that lousy stat, use RC+ , he was 134 (100 is avg) in 2010, 98 in 2011, and 114 right now, he’s doing rather well
Too much work. However, I do understand that it devalues on base percentage. Still going to use it.
Doofus(Goober and Gomer's Smart Brother)
June 19th, 2012
5:31 pm
You know how bad things really are when you have to use someone like Henske as a DH. If he was halfway hitting right now I would understand, but he’s not. I think I would even use anyone before him.
Can a hen ski? Nope, and he can’t hit a baseball either!
Efrim
June 19th, 2012
5:32 pm
Agreed, Efrim, except that he needs to stop channeling his Jeff Francoeur
I really think he will over the long haul this year.
shorty
June 19th, 2012
5:34 pm
Fire Fredi..hire Joe Torre
Coach (2012 Fredi's Beisbol Fandango)
June 19th, 2012
5:35 pm
Simmons defensive impact in his fifteen games so far:
Braves team ERA before: 4.24
Braves team ERA after : 3.29
NickB
June 19th, 2012
5:36 pm
@1991 Braves
lol, you don’t know wtf you are talking about
#1- Hudson was a bargain, an absolute steal
#2 You pay your aging stars , it’s just the way it goes, and considering all the things Chipper has done for the team it was hardly a terrible deal
#3 Lowe WAS a mistake, but at least it wasn’t AJ Burnett
#4 KK was a risk, and they knew that, but ALL Japanese pitchers are a crapshoot, ask Boston about the $100+ they paid in posting fees and contract for Dice-K
#5 Diaz is hitting against lefties, his power isn’t what it used to be, but he does the job pinch hitting against them , Hinske struggled this year, but he was great last year, I guess Wren was supposed to be psychic and see that Hinske would struggle in 2012? That’s unrealistic whiney baby talk
#6 I guarantee you that EVERY GM in the game would have given Lowe, Chipper and Hudson 3 year deals. To think otherwise is just silly , absolutely silly
MR
June 19th, 2012
5:36 pm
This team is not close enough talent-wise to need a rent-a-player for a top prospect for a chance at the post season this year. This team is a couple years away pitching wise. The problem is that when this team’s staff gets seasoned enough to seriously compete Liberty Media will not sign them and thus will begin the never ending cycle of the Braves becoming a farm team of sorts breaking in young talent for the big guys to actually pay to play. I have no faith in Liberty Media at all, nor do I give them my money. BTW, firing Fredi is a no-brainer… fire him already, but the team should go the extra mile and fire Frank Wren too. Frank’s a born loser and a should never be allowed to make another decision for the team.
Bat Masterson
June 19th, 2012
5:38 pm
Efrim, I don’t remember saying that he was a once-in-a-generation talent but maybe I did. _ Shaun
What you did say was Heyward was the best hitter on the team and should hit second. You said it in the spring of 2011, repeatedly, unequivocally.
Not that he might one day be….. IS
Your expectations for Heyward at 21 years old were on full display. Best Hitter On The Team
Period ……. End of story ……. BHOTT
iTiSi
June 19th, 2012
5:38 pm
At the rate it’s going half the Braves team will either be in a physical rehab center or the old folk’s home before the season is over! As for FG, probably Milledgeville by the all star break(those in GA know what that means).
Heisenberg
June 19th, 2012
5:38 pm
Is there a precedent somewhere in recent baseball history for me to base my hopes for JJ to come through with a turnaround in the majors after pitching so poorly in the minors?
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Roy Halladay comes to mind. When he went down the minor league pitching coach suggested an adjustment to his arm slot to get better movement and the rest is history. Cliff Lee is another.But both cases invloved healthy pitchers that needed to work on fixing something. JJJ can trace his problems back to leg injuries which it is unclear he has recovered from physically or mentally. So it can be done but you gotta be healthy and given Braves recent trend on diagnosing injuries, I am not having high expactions for JJJ this year.
NickB
June 19th, 2012
5:39 pm
RC+ is basically to wOBA what OPS+ is to OPS , it just uses weighted on base avg instead of OPS as a basis. I think it’s better as wOBA is a bit better than OPS.
It’s park and league adjusted…. just like OPS+ too
Disgusted
June 19th, 2012
5:39 pm
My emotions are worn out with this team, just have to look at this year as the kind of yr where if something can go wrong, it will
Biggest disappointments are the bench, the deterioration of JJ, the Beachy injury, and the swift abrupt decline of Venters.
Hopefully with Venters he will be himself next yr. EOF, he too is a big Q mark and you do not know the seriousness of his injury.
Have to have faith in Brandon that he will do the work necessary and be ready and totally 100 pct for 2014. By ‘14, Heyward and Freeman should be further along in their development curve
Minor just might be a solid mid rotation guy then and Teheran should be ready to be a help by then.
I am not looking at seeing real progress until ‘14, very young team.
Forget about anteing up a deal and $$$$$$$$$$$ for Dempster or Grenke, it is not happening with this team. Its not $$$$$$$$$$$ smart.
Another $25 mil to the payroll would help big in this division, maybe another half million butts in the seats can help some.
As for Liberty, I don;t see them doing anything till after the election, when they get a better grip on what kind of cap gain tax rates they can predict. They are a holding company and we will be flipped at some time, when is when its advantageous to them.
Its going to be a tough rest of 2012 and likely a tough 2013.
Shaun
June 19th, 2012
5:41 pm
ncscoots, just because a player doesn’t fulfill his promise by age 22-23, doesn’t mean he’s not talented and will never fulfill his promise. Most players are in Double-A at 22. If a player can hang in there in the majors but isn’t a star, that’s no indication he will never become a star.
Efrim, I honestly think the Braves brought up Heyward simply because they felt he was ready to be a major leaguer, and he’s shown that he is, even if he hasn’t become a star or superstar. I would guess most teams don’t expect any player to be stars or superstars in their early 20’s. If they do, obviously that’s gravy. But I honestly think all the Braves were hoping for was that he would be at least an adequate major league rightfielder for the first few years of his career so they didn’t have to go out and try to find one and pay one and/or trade for one.
Going back to Harper. If the Nationals were called him up expecting him to be Reggie Jackson or something this season or even next, that is stupid of them. I suspect they called him up because they think he can handle the big leagues, has nothing to prove in the minors and was a good option for them. But if he has 2-3 more years of something like a 97 OPS+, as long as his underlying skills aren’t completely in the toilet, as long as he’s drawing some walks and has some idea of the strikezone and is hitting for some power, there’s no reason for Nationals fans to flip out. Just like there is no reason for Braves fans to flip out because Heyward has a 113 OPS+ for his career and 98 OPS+ since Opening Day of last season.
Disgusted
June 19th, 2012
5:42 pm
I do hope the Braves do renew the option on Hudson cause at $9 MM a yr he is still a bargain.
He was a dollar smart deal, too bad about the heel and back this yr but there is something left. I hope he can be around in 14 as an elder statesman anchor as the younger pitchers hopefully get better.
NickB
June 19th, 2012
5:43 pm
Venters’ peripheral stats show that his luck of last year has run out really, it’s called a regression to the mean. With his wildness, he SHOULD have given up more runs than he did last year. Now, he ran into a little mechanical trouble and he started giving up the runs that last year were outs. Granted, it won’t continue at the rate it has been, but this happens in baseball with relievers who are wild. They can have wild swings of amazing production followed by mediocrity,
I reckon he will be okay
Long time fan
June 19th, 2012
5:43 pm
I have been a Braves fan since the early 1970s and I guess I will root for the club until I die. I am very frustrated because the way things have gone for me personally they are all that I have in my life. It is frustrating to watch Heyward whiff three times in a game or something else that happens. I can almost predict what happens. Braves lose then the guys at 790 trash everything about the club and then the DOB blog has 80 zillion pages with more criticism. To the radio peeps find something else to talk about. To the bloggers (in a lot of cases the pseudo-fans, root for another team. Enough is enough. By the way if you buy from QVC then you need to stop. Same owners. I want to watch the game but if they lose the same postgame mess will happen.
Shaun
June 19th, 2012
5:45 pm
Bat Masterson, yes, but just because he didn’t turn out to be the best hitter on the team in 2011 doesn’t mean a 98 OPS+ since Opening Day of 2011 or a 113 OPS+ for his career so far is a disaster. I don’t think we should be shocked by a 98 OPS+ or a 113 OPS+. I don’t think it spells doom and gloom for a player in his early 20’s. Just like if Harper, Trout, whomever, name your prospect, is around that area of offensive production, I don’t think it means they are a major disappointment and destined to be the next busts.
Heisenberg
June 19th, 2012
5:47 pm
What I have noticed with Venters (besides being high in the zone) is hitters are laying off pitches outside the strike zone more this year than last and he is pitching behind in the count more. Guys were flailing at that sinker away last year and now not so much.
oasisbraves
June 19th, 2012
5:48 pm
The worst thing for me was and is…the 4th and 5th innings, 2 on, 0 out…and they dont bunt. Instead they ground out left and right and cant even pony up a run. I dont blame the offense too much, and what’s been happening to our pitching isnt anything new that other clubs dont deal with all the time. It comes down to coaching and management. I think its time for a change. The hitting coaches are fine, but the manager and the pitching coach should go.
Shaun
June 19th, 2012
5:49 pm
Ben over at CAC had a good Venters post. Something he pointed out is that Venters was probably over his head the past couple of seasons. So he’s not likely to get back to that point but he is likely to be better, based on the information we have, and he’s still likely to be a fine late-inning reliever.
phil
June 19th, 2012
5:50 pm
Long time fan
June 19th, 2012
5:43 pm
I have been a Braves fan since the early 1970s and I guess I will root for the club until I die. I am very frustrated because the way things have gone for me personally they are all that I have in my life. It is frustrating to watch Heyward whiff three times in a game or something else that happens. I can almost predict what happens. Braves lose then the guys at 790 trash everything about the club and then the DOB blog has 80 zillion pages with more criticism. To the radio peeps find something else to talk about. To the bloggers (in a lot of cases the pseudo-fans, root for another team. Enough is enough. By the way if you buy from QVC then you need to stop. Same owners. I want to watch the game but if they lose the same postgame mess will happen.
************
Don’t say they’re all you have in life…someone will make fun of you and belittle you.
Sorry it’s that way for you right now. Things will turn back your way.
nolie
June 19th, 2012
5:52 pm
I’ll take OPS+ over RD evey day of the week and thrice on Sunday. It is just as informative and easier for non-staties to understand
nolie
June 19th, 2012
5:53 pm
RC not RD
nolie
June 19th, 2012
5:54 pm
Something he pointed out is that Venters was probably over his head the past couple of seasons. So he’s not likely to get back to that point but he is likely to be better…Shaun
you needed someone to point that out for you?
TheOnlyBravesFan
June 19th, 2012
5:55 pm
WOW!
David O’Brien @ajcbraves
This says plenty about both the season Bourn is having and #Braves offense: He leads the team in slugging percentage (.456)
jim
June 19th, 2012
5:56 pm
The poster calling him/her self Andrelton Simmons made a good point –
Choosing the last 8 games rather than the last 10 or the month of June painted Heyward’s recent stats in the worst light. Hitting 7th behind the likes of Diaz and the recent Uggla and Chipper Jones does not translate into many RBIs, but he has been scoring more than 1/8 of the team’s runs since Simmons arrival. The blog obsesses over Heyward’s problems, but his numbers for the year are as good or better than McCann’s and Freeman’s, and, before the end of the road trip, Chipper’s. He had a rough night against CC last night, but so did McCann (not to mention the right handed hitters), and he got a hit, as he did against Chen and Gio in other recent starts against lefties. Harper had 5 K’s against Pettit on Satureday. If Heyward were hitting higher in the order, his walks and RBIs would go up and he would be more valuable on the bases.
Bat Masterson
June 19th, 2012
5:57 pm
Bat Masterson, yes, but just because he didn’t turn out to be the best hitter on the team in 2011 doesn’t mean a 98 OPS+ since Opening Day of 2011 or a 113 OPS+ for his career so far is a disaster. _ Shaun
Not what you said, Shaun. You now say Heyward’s performance is within reasonable expectations.
Fine
Just say your expectations in spring of 2011 were unreasonable and I’ll leave you alone. BHOTT
NickB
June 19th, 2012
5:57 pm
Well, I expect Heyward to pass him pretty soon, his SLG% in June is .540 and rising
Heisenberg
June 19th, 2012
5:58 pm
GA400 looks as bad as Braves hitting stats. Taking the alternate route. Bye all.
nolie
June 19th, 2012
5:58 pm
hell I expected 200…….
nolie
June 19th, 2012
5:59 pm
well… I wanted 200 anyway
NickB
June 19th, 2012
6:00 pm
anyone who expected Heyward to be putting up 8 or 9 WAR seasons at at ages 20-22 was being unrealsitic and doesn’t understand player development. Like I have said, look at similar players who became great and were of similar build, their age 24 year was when they went from being just good, to magnificent. in fact Heyward is looking to be ahead of the curve because of his amazing defense and baserunning skills.
Bat Masterson
June 19th, 2012
6:03 pm
I’ve argued all along that since he is so selective at the plate he is actually harmed by hitting down there. He waits to see a really good pitch, but the pitcher has no reason to throw him a good pitch hitting there, and he often winds up digging himself a hole
Yeah you might think so. Although it was pointed out here recently that Heyward was swinging at the first pitch above league average.
CB
June 19th, 2012
6:03 pm
Long time fan, sorry about anything in your life that makes you so down. Hang in there.
Lew
June 19th, 2012
6:07 pm
Coach – Just because you’re an overstuffed windbag with little comprehension of much of anything, doesn’t really extend to thoise who comment on your baseless ASSertions.
nolie
June 19th, 2012
6:08 pm
who swings at the first pitch above league average?
nolie
June 19th, 2012
6:08 pm
CB, hi there. how you been?
D.A. Nuggla
June 19th, 2012
6:10 pm
This is probably the Yankees reaction when they saw the lineup with Hinske at DH: Lots of laughter long and hard!!!!! It’s a shame Hudson is pitching or he could DH. Medlen is another possibility.
tired of the Atl
June 19th, 2012
6:11 pm
i honestly hope the braves go in the tank the second half so there is no false sense of hope like with Falcons,Hawks, and UGA, only to get blown out in the playoffs by a superior team. Let Chippah have a victory lap, trade Bourn while you can, shop McCann to an AL team looking for a future DH before he falls off the cliff, and let Prado, Freeman, Heyward, and Simmons have this team. Put Helicopter Dan in the 6 hole and let him whiff 150-200 times a year. And get a manager a pitching coach that knows what the heck they are doing to develop the team while we are at it.
NickB
June 19th, 2012
6:12 pm
Hitter K’s don’t matter if the hitter is productive and Uggla has been productive to the tune of the 2nd best second baseman WAR in all of baseball.
George T
June 19th, 2012
6:13 pm
First, change the management both GM and Field along with coaching staff. This will cost almost nothing to do. If a culture change does not occur clean house. What do you have to lose; this team is going nowhere. I am too old to wait on the prospects to come along in 2017, 2018 or whenever.
Brave New World
June 19th, 2012
6:13 pm
If everything were “perfect” in 2012, we’d have had Hudson, Hanson, Jurrjens, Beachy, and Delgado as our rotation, with one of the best bull pens in baseball. A lineup of Bourn, Prado, Chipper, Uggla, Freeman, McCann, Heyward, and Simmons. Alas, not many things happen the way one wants them to happen. GO BRAVES!
Bat Masterson
June 19th, 2012
6:13 pm
nolie
Heyward, although I may not remember that right.
jim
June 19th, 2012
6:15 pm
The high school hitters in the 2007 draft that were selected before Heyward — Vitters, Dominguez — are still in the minors. Wieters was the highest college hitter in that draft, he is just beginning to live up to to expectations.
Jeff R
June 19th, 2012
6:15 pm
Hmm… Freeman is in his second year at the major league level and finished second in the ROY voting last season. He’s had a problem with his eyes and hand in the early going. Be that as it may, Freeman has shown a pattern of slower starts, a pick up toward mid season, and pretty good finishes (at least at Gwinnett in ‘10 and Atlanta in ‘11).
I think the kid is quite talented and will be a strong contributor for years to come.
David O'Brien
June 19th, 2012
6:17 pm
The rained out Braves-Nationals game will be made up as part of a split doubleheader on July 21 at D.C., 1:05 p.m. and 7:05 p.m. Peachtree TV will carry both games in Atlanta and Fox Sports South outside Atlanta.
nolie
June 19th, 2012
6:17 pm
I don’t think you are remembering that correctly. Prado sure, but Jason? I kinda doubt it.I would say the opposite. Don’t know which site covers that though and I might be wrong
tired of the Atl
June 19th, 2012
6:19 pm
Heyward has two problems: In the near term, he strides like he wants to drive the ball opposite, but he wants to pull the ball, resulting in whiffs or ground balls. Any pitcher that throws him anything over the outer half of the plate is just plain dumb. In the long term, his knees and shoulders will breakdown before he has a chance at a meaningful career, I’m afraid. It hurts to watch him run sometimes, and his swing creates so much pressure and torque on his knees and shoulders that it’s just a matter of time. His swing is anything but easy and compact. He always looks like he’s trying to hit it 500 feet.
nolie
June 19th, 2012
6:20 pm
hurts to watch him run? really? hmmmm.
NickB
June 19th, 2012
6:21 pm
well fangraphs says Heyward has 51.8% first pitch strikes and a 12% swinging strikes %
Freeman has a 61.4% first pitch strikes and a 13.5 % swinging strikes
Bat Masterson, maybe you mixed up Freeman and Heyward?
Jeff R
June 19th, 2012
6:22 pm
Jury’s still out on Heyward, IMO. I think Wren will make some hard evaluations after the season about Justin.
NickB
June 19th, 2012
6:23 pm
Jury isn’t out on Heyward except by those who only use batting average and RBI’s as a judge for production. Kid is going to have a 5+ WAR season and a age 22 that’s remarkable.
IMO, they need to lock him up to an extension and try to buy out a couple of free agent years
Jeff R
June 19th, 2012
6:24 pm
The Braves core is young, we tend to forget. I think some fans expects these kids to perform like seasoned pros from the get-go.
nolie
June 19th, 2012
6:24 pm
are those swinging strikes though, or just strikes. I find it a bit hard to think that Jason swings at 52% of the first pitches he see. not that I have counted or anything
Bat Masterson
June 19th, 2012
6:24 pm
nolie_
Could be. I was complaining about Heyward letting first pitch strikes go by too often and said I would like to see him ambush a few of them.
I think it was Brian from SC that posted the numbers saying that was not happening. I think he said, at the time, he was swinging at the first pitch more than league average. Anyway whatever he came up with did not fit my perception of what was happening.
Murph
June 19th, 2012
6:25 pm
I think Wren will make some hard evaluations after the season about Justin.
Looks like someone’s got Bieber Fever
Jeff R
June 19th, 2012
6:25 pm
IMO, they need to lock him up to an extension and try to buy out a couple of free agent years,
That ain’t going to happen. Not the way the Braves typically manage young talent.
Jeff R
June 19th, 2012
6:26 pm
“Bieber Fever”
It’s gotta be Wren, ’cause it ain’t me!
nolie
June 19th, 2012
6:26 pm
ok Bat. I agree that he allows a lot of first pitch strikes go by, if that is what you meant. I thought you meant that he swung at most of the first pitches he sees. time for me to take a reading comp class again perhaps….
NickB
June 19th, 2012
6:28 pm
Jeff R
really? they extended Mac, they tried to extend Frenchy and he refused (thank goodness)
I could see them offering 3 extensions this offseason, to Kimbrel, Heyward and Mac, then after 2013 , depending how his season goes, offering one to Freeman.
Juan
June 19th, 2012
6:29 pm
Phillis seond basement Fredy Galvis suspend 50 Games for steroid use.
NickB
June 19th, 2012
6:29 pm
nolie
it doesn’t specify, it just says first pitch strikes, I couldn’t find the info on swinging at first pitches except that Josh Hamilton leads the league in it
nolie
June 19th, 2012
6:31 pm
thanx for looking NickB
NickB
June 19th, 2012
6:32 pm
yer welcome!!
It’s one of those stats that is probably meaningless, as for many hitters , the first pitch might be the best that they see, and for others, they may not see anything good until the pitcher makes a mistake. I’m sure history would show that many first pitch swingers still had good plate discipline
CARL AVEN
June 19th, 2012
6:33 pm
THE LEADER IS CHIPPER…IF HE GOES THE REST WILL FOLLOW …WHEN CHIPPER IS HITTING 250 WILL HE HANG IT UP ? ITS COMING FOLKS
phil
June 19th, 2012
6:33 pm
Fredy Galvis, eh?
Brilliant move.
tired of the Atl
June 19th, 2012
6:33 pm
Dude, you have to quit throwing WAR out there, WAR was created by some stat geeks with an unhealthy love for algebra. It means nothing, and all anyone has to know about WAR is that the current version is “WAR 2.1″ and that even the stat geeks can’t on the same page with it. I don’t know if you are trolling or whatever, but no one who actually watches Uggla or Heyward play the game gives two $–t$ about WAR.
Jeff R
June 19th, 2012
6:34 pm
NickB,
I’m not sure management (Frank Wren, in particular) is as sold on Heyward as you are. I also think the Braves are being more guarded with budget than they might have been previously.
Kimbrel might be a guy they lock up, though.
McCann… I see Wren exercising his option for ‘13 and awaiting to see how McCann is holding up health-wise and how he’s producing. Also, I think Wren wants to see more from Bethancourt, see what sort of progress he makes through the rest of the season at Mississippi and, perhaps, what he does at Gwinnett into ‘13.
cowdogit
June 19th, 2012
6:34 pm
C FROM MARIETTA – - – We know you would rather have Chipper play and lose than have Constanza play and win , now that McDowell has broken down nearly every arm in the braves organization , What are your thoughts supporting this idiot . We know you are related to Fredi , no one could come out of no where an be that stupid .
Bat Masterson
June 19th, 2012
6:34 pm
Bat Masterson, maybe you mixed up Freeman and Heyward?
Nick_
Well it was regarding Heyward but I didn’t research it. I think it was Brian from SC.
phil
June 19th, 2012
6:35 pm
What are the numbers swinging at pitches 2-whatever? Surely someone counts that stuff too.
And why am I asking?
nolie
June 19th, 2012
6:35 pm
yup, Chipper has plate discipline but he swings at the first pitch whenever he likes it.
Jeff R
June 19th, 2012
6:36 pm
Why are you asking, phil? Esoteric, huh?
Delbert D.
June 19th, 2012
6:37 pm
I would like to see the numbers for pitchers who had these elbow ligament tears through the years, say 60s, 70s, etc. until now. Before the Tommy John case, they were career-ending, I’m guessing. There was an ex-MLB pitcher on one of the local radios shows a few weeks ago who spoke about the way starting pitchers train and they way they use their body on the mound. He decried the slide-step delivery, saying that the pitcher’s lower body is not used enough. He was one of the windup and full stride guys who pitched in the ’90s to mid 2000s.
Several years ago, I lived in the Philadelphia area and had the pleasure of watching Steve Carlton. He often stated his preference, in opposition to manager Danny Ozark, for a 4-man rotation, and some serious throwing between starts. The contemporaries of his included some other endurance pitchers, Tom Seaver and Nolan Ryan, for example. I go back to Bob Gibson and Jim Bunning with guys who had dominating fastballs. Carlton had a very good fastball and great curve.
There must be some kinesiology studies on pitching.
phil
June 19th, 2012
6:37 pm
Man O War was a great racehorse….
NickB
June 19th, 2012
6:37 pm
@ tired of atlanta
umm, everybody who is on the other braves forum I am on (Chopnation ) uses WAR, Capitol Avenue Club Blog uses WAR, WAR has been universally accepted as a valuable stat to compare talent with one easy number, is it perfect? no, but it’s a heck of a lot better than RBI’s and batting avg.
Just because you don’t understand something doesn’t mean it’s worthless, get with the 21st century, the game evolves, the stats evolve, come along and evolve with it!
ChattTownBrian
June 19th, 2012
6:38 pm
Pre game show is fixing to have an interview with Wren and what he might get in a trade. Might be interesting. WATCH
jim
June 19th, 2012
6:38 pm
My perception is that Heyward is likely to take a first pitch strike against a left-handed pitcher too often. Last night, for instance against CC, Sabathia threw him a get-over curve ball on the first pitch on each of his 4 ABs, He took the pitch each time. That was usually the best pitch he saw during the AB. After CC got ahead, he fed him some wicked sliders. He needs to see how the pitcher is seting him up and be ready to hit that first pitch curve the next AB.
nolie
June 19th, 2012
6:39 pm
he is combining esoterica from all walks to become eclectic
Jeff R
June 19th, 2012
6:40 pm
Heyward should bunt… often.
nolie
June 19th, 2012
6:41 pm
he takes a whole lot of first pitch strikes against both. I bet he is in the top 10% or so overall
IlliniBrave
June 19th, 2012
6:41 pm
Just looked at the lineups posted and, although this is stating the obvious, it is certainly
a reality check when you compare them position-by-position. We are better at C and LF, and close at CF and 2B. But the Yankees are just so much better top-to-bottom. Amazing what an extra $150M can buy.
1. M. Bourn, CF D. Jeter, SS
2. M. Prado, LF C. Granderson, CF
3. B. McCann, C A. Rodriguez, DH (3B)
4. D. Uggla, 2B R. Cano, 2B
5. F. Freeman, 1B M. Teixeira, 1B
6. C. Jones, 3B R. Ibanez, LF
7. J. Heyward, RF N. Swisher, RF
8. A. Simmons, SS E. Chavez, 3B
9. E. Hinske, DH R. Martin, C
ChattTownBrian
June 19th, 2012
6:42 pm
I guess the full interview will come later. Of course Chipper is still the focal point which is sad. It really is a bummer having to still rely on this guy after all this time.
NickB
June 19th, 2012
6:42 pm
@ Delbert
a lot of it has to do with the slider and the cutter, they put much more strain on the elbow than fastballs and curves do. Another part of it, is young players work out more and throw much harder than they used to. there were like 35+ guys with 95+ mph pitches who went in the first 3 rounds of the draft this year. That was unheard of even 20 years ago.
My opinion is that kids throw too hard at young ages and do most of the damage then, I wouldn’t be surprised that it’s BECAUSE of TJ surgery that they do this. They think “well , if I blow out my elbow I can have TJ and come back stronger”
Not to mention, that i years past, guys were done if they hurt their elbows , so they pitched much more carefully. So it’s kind of a chicken or the egg thing, having no surgical recourse probably kept pitchers from injury a often, and having the surgery available now probably influences pitcher effort now.
Jeff R
June 19th, 2012
6:44 pm
My opinion is that kids throw too hard at young ages and do most of the damage then
Completely agree. Far too many kids are stressing their arms at too young an age. And I think the damage is showing up in their twenties.
ChattTownBrian
June 19th, 2012
6:44 pm
I guess nobody is interested in my Wren comment. Why should you be? You can read the whole thing on the internet if you miss it. Pretty soon tv sets will be out of style.
MFin04
June 19th, 2012
6:45 pm
I’d rather have that Braves lineup to be honest.
NickB
June 19th, 2012
6:45 pm
@ delbert
Oh, and I am a fan of the 4 man rotation too, as it does 2 important things:
gives more starts to the best pitchers
increases the workload and makes the arm stronger
the problem is, to bring the 4 man rotation back would involve a complete revision of the minor league preparation of pitchers, they would have to focus more on arm strength, lots more throwing , lots more pitches per game than they are used to. I worry that many eggs would be broken before it got all sorted out
cabravesfan
June 19th, 2012
6:45 pm
A lot of us don’t get the pre game show…
BFChris27
June 19th, 2012
6:47 pm
ChattTownBrian
Like cabravesfan said, a lot of us don’t get the pregame show.
I would like to know what he says tho
Falling Closer To .500
June 19th, 2012
6:48 pm
“Pre game show is fixing to have an interview with Wren and what he might get in a trade. Might be interesting. WATCH”
LOL what a waste of a view! Wren spent his 30 seconds talking about how important it was to get Chipper on track! Nothing about what they Braves need or what they might do! lmao
Wren would make a good politician. Never answer a real question, just say something stupid and hope no one will push you to give a real answer.
Jeff R
June 19th, 2012
6:48 pm
I am a fan of the 4 man rotation too, as it does 2 important things:
gives more starts to the best pitchers
increases the workload and makes the arm stronger
Amen. The complete game stat is something of a farce these days. And why shouldn’t your best starting pitchers be giving 250 plus innings a season?
IlliniBrave
June 19th, 2012
6:49 pm
@MFin04: I would too if we are talking about over the next 3-5 years. But for now – this year – the Yankees lineup is just so solid. About the only real weaknesses are catcher – though Martin may come around – and leftfield. And if Gardner makes it back then that hole is certainly filled.
ChattTownBrian
June 19th, 2012
6:49 pm
Oh I didn’t even realize that. Well yeah, me or I’m sure somebody will relay what Wren has to say.
B_F 54
June 19th, 2012
6:50 pm
There is only one thing better than going to work working 40 minutes and your sup asks if you want to go home and take a personal day…..get home Bravos and the evil empire are on MLBN it makes my 208 $ cable bill a little easier to take
GO BRAVOS
CB
June 19th, 2012
6:50 pm
Hi,nolie.Sorry, I stepped away for a few minutes. Everything is well, hoping your health is holding up. I see you are still fighting the good fight on the blog.
NickB
June 19th, 2012
6:50 pm
well , you don’t want to spill the beans on your actual trade plans and give leverage to the other GM’s who may try to sipe you, or get you to cough up more than you would like to in deals!!!
It’d be like test driving a car and when you get back to the dealership screaming” best car ever!!!”
ncbravesfan90
June 19th, 2012
6:51 pm
Wren sounding like a trade is more likely than using the young starting pitching arms.
Jeff R
June 19th, 2012
6:51 pm
LOL what a waste of a view! Wren spent his 30 seconds talking about how important it was to get Chipper on track! Nothing about what they Braves need or what they might do! lmao
Really? You expect Wren to broadcast to other GMs what he wants to do to improve the club? Maybe Frank could read off a list of players he’d be willing to trade?
nolie
June 19th, 2012
6:52 pm
much of it has to do with getting rid of the full windup which means pitchers have to stress their arms more to make up for the lack of momentum that the windup produced. plus there has been a school of thought teaching inverted w and extreme scapula compression to some younguns, both of which are now proving over the long run to be detrimental mechanics. if you ain’t gonna wind up much the best approach is drive and drop, get your speed from your legs
Falling Closer To .500
June 19th, 2012
6:52 pm
Wren on again……telling everyone what everyone knew about Beachy….. partial tear….. gonna wait and see what Dr. Andrews said.
Wren doing his song and dance about having to wait and see where they are in a few weeks and looking forward to seeing what JJ can do when he returns.
Big picture from Frank….”w try to communicate as much as possible….wanted JJ to stay there (minors) until he figured it out. We’ve seen him have quality games. When we sent Medlin down JJ hadn’t made progress…. now he has”
B_F 54
June 19th, 2012
6:53 pm
I agree whole heartedlly Hoss needs to cowboy up or cut a trail
IlliniBrave
June 19th, 2012
6:54 pm
When the word “trade” and the Braves appear in the same sentence I get really nervous. Over the past decade, for every Bourn and Uggla success there is a Teixera or JD Drew disaster.
nolie
June 19th, 2012
6:54 pm
4 man rotation ain’t ever coming back. it would be devastating to current mechanics
Jeff R
June 19th, 2012
6:55 pm
“Hoss” has two bad knees and a guaranteed contract for this season in the millions. He ain’t cutting no trail, pard’ner.
nolie
June 19th, 2012
6:55 pm
nothing disastrous about the Drew trade
Ralph
June 19th, 2012
6:55 pm
How many of you fok drank Wren’s kool-aid????
nolie
June 19th, 2012
6:56 pm
especially if he reads all the disrespect here, he’d stay just to screw all the Chipper haters….
B_F 54
June 19th, 2012
6:56 pm
Like I said last week Jair could be our “Dempster” I like his heart hoping for a resurgence from JJ
nolie
June 19th, 2012
6:56 pm
all but the haterade drinkers
NickB
June 19th, 2012
6:57 pm
The JD Drew trade wasn’t bad at all. We got good production out of him (maybe his best season in MLB) and Wainwright, was still just a prospect. You can’t look at trades in hindsight and complain that the player you gave up turned out to be great. You have to look at it in the context of the tim the trade was made.
JS ,however, made a terrible deal for Tex, as he was never going to hit enough to get the Braves in the postseason that year
Jeff R
June 19th, 2012
6:57 pm
Mechanics can be changed, Nolie. Humans aren’t different from, oh, the 60s or 70s, when more than a few starting pitchers were still racking up the innings and completing games.
IlliniBrave
June 19th, 2012
6:58 pm
@nolie: we gave up Adam Wainwright (and a couple others) to get a two-year rental of a prima donna guy (and a couple others).. Wainwright has turned out to be one of the best pitchers in the NL over the past five years. That was a disaster of a trade in my mind.
The A Bomb
June 19th, 2012
6:58 pm
Wren’s too busy trying to find the next unproductive Georgian to draft with too much hometown pressure.
ChattTownBrian
June 19th, 2012
6:59 pm
Wren did sound like we could be getting a starter come trade deadline. Of course that guy could be a Greinke or a innings eater. Never know. No question though he sounded concerned losing one of our top starters, so maybe he goes out and tries to get #1.
Talk of JJ is typical old over optimism. He struggles again and he’ll be gone and quick imo. He’s been given more than one chance.
NickB
June 19th, 2012
6:59 pm
Wainwright also had TJ surgery and has been very shakey in his return.
This idea that you can acquire someone who put up the numbers in ATL like Drew did, for nothing is whats unrealistic here
IlliniBrave
June 19th, 2012
7:00 pm
@NickB: I agree about the hindsight, but back then Wainwright was our #1 or #2 prospect. The Cards were not going to give up Drew without him. They thought back then that Wainwright had the stuff to be a top-of-the-rotation guy.
I guess I just don’t like giving up top prospects for rental players.
nolie
June 19th, 2012
7:01 pm
mechanics can be changed, but they haven’t and are unlikely to either.although I’d like to see it happen, it does slow down the approach to the plate.
and It is a cya deal with 5 starters too.. use 4 and have things go bad and you are branded Dusty 2 the rest of your career
B_F 54
June 19th, 2012
7:01 pm
Galvis busted for Peds my how the philthies are falling :smiley:
cabravesfan
June 19th, 2012
7:01 pm
Huge sigh of relief…we get the Braves feed tonight
NickB
June 19th, 2012
7:02 pm
we got one full season of 1.000+ OPS ball out of Drew, it wasn’t a true rental…
I don’t mind those kinds of deals as for every Wainwright , there’s an Andy Marte.
Tomahawk Mafia
June 19th, 2012
7:02 pm
I feel a Braves win coming in the air tonight.
Efrim
June 19th, 2012
7:02 pm
Wren’s too busy trying to find the next unproductive Georgian to draft with too much hometown pressure.
Sims was a fine pick, imo. Excited to see how he does in the GCL.
IlliniBrave
June 19th, 2012
7:02 pm
@NickB: I agree about the unrealistic notions of getting a high-value player for nothing. That’s why I’d pefer Wren to just stick with what we’ve got for now rather than make a desperation trade.
McFann :Ô: :Ô: :ô:
June 19th, 2012
7:02 pm
cabravesfan Huge sigh of relief…we get the Braves feed tonight
How’s that differ’nt than the Yankees’ feed?…
cowdogit
June 19th, 2012
7:03 pm
Put McDowell at third and let Chipper become our pitching coach . These two clowns are killing the braves , so what have we got to lose .
Jeff R
June 19th, 2012
7:03 pm
I guess I just don’t like giving up top prospects for rental players.
Drew was a rental player, no doubt. The Braves wanted to keep “The Run” going so they were rather short term in their thinking, I believe, in swinging the Drew and then Tex deals. Oh, and I think Wainwright will regain form and contribute nicely to the Cards. Where’s Drew these days?
cabravesfan
June 19th, 2012
7:03 pm
McFann-
sigh… you know what I mean!
The A Bomb
June 19th, 2012
7:04 pm
Braves better trade for someone. because no relevant free agent is going to look at Atlanta as a legitimate destination because of the MANIC culture being developed here. Can’t see Bourn sticking around for this when he can go win in D.C. or some other team that says STOCK UP all over it.
nolie
June 19th, 2012
7:04 pm
there was some hope that JD would hang around since he was a Ga boy. prolly was unrealistic , but sometimes folks see what they want too or think a balance will tip the way they want it too. GMs need to stay away from that, but they aren’t always successful being human
IlliniBrave
June 19th, 2012
7:05 pm
@NickB: so, using that rationale, we could perhaps then justify the Texiera trade, right? I mean, we got one and a half great OPS seasons out of the guy? I’m not being sarcastic, just trying to suggest that there may be alternative arguments for evaluating these trades.
Jeff R
June 19th, 2012
7:05 pm
nolie, well, remember the four-man rotation was typically augmented by a fifth starter during the dog days. Or one of the bullpen guys was a “spot starter/long man.”
Seems quaint, don’t it?
ChattTownBrian
June 19th, 2012
7:06 pm
Nice to see a shot of Swisher acting like a little obnoxious beeyatch in that last shot before commercial. OMG hit that douche in the ribs please
nolie
June 19th, 2012
7:06 pm
IIRC Wainwright took a while to become special, a bit like Schmidt(sp) did. might have still been traded for something else
ncbravesfan90
June 19th, 2012
7:06 pm
Was that Chipper’s endorsement of Fredi G? haha
David O'Brien
June 19th, 2012
7:07 pm
How Jurrjens could help Braves now and possibly in trade scenario
http://blogs.ajc.com/atlanta-braves-blog/2012/06/19/jurrjens-could-help-braves-now-and-possibly-in-trade-scenario/
cabravesfan
June 19th, 2012
7:08 pm
Well, I could watch the game in HD on MLB Network, but that would mean having to listen to the Yankees announcers…think I’ll pass
O.M.G.
June 19th, 2012
7:08 pm
You got it ChattTownBrain.
Jeff R
June 19th, 2012
7:08 pm
there was some hope that JD would hang around since he was a Ga boy.
Some also had the hope that because Tex went to Ga Tech and his wife is an Atlantan that he’s take a “hometown discount” rather than trotting off to NYC for a big contract and major big dollar endorsements.
T’wasn’t going to ever happen.
nolie
June 19th, 2012
7:08 pm
there is Illini, some folks do not see the Tex trade as the unmitigated disaster that others do. Was not his fault that we did not get there that first year, he sure carried the team offensively. pitching just went to hell
IlliniBrave
June 19th, 2012
7:08 pm
@nolie: you always seem to bring such balance and harmony to these debates. Good for you
tired of the Atl
June 19th, 2012
7:09 pm
phil….Man O War….nice
NickB, I don’t care to understand it. WAR is just the traditional stats, especially runs, all broken up and mashed up into a formula. I never said the traditional stats told much anyway, though I think On-Base Percentage is probably the most useful stat of all of them. But using WAR is trendy, the guys on ESPN do it, whatever. Just don’t try to tell me that a guy is better than he looks, or more valuable than he appears, because a math formula says so.
jim
June 19th, 2012
7:09 pm
In the 50’s pitchers like Spahn and Burdett were in a 4-man rotation, and sometimes came in to relieve between starts. In the famous 16-inning game between Spahn and Marichal, the 42-year old Spahn got beat by a HR by Mays on hsi 201st pitch of the night. Marichal had a pitch count of 235. Both came back 4 days later to make their regular starts — Spahn pitched a complete game shutout and Marichal went 7 innings in a 2-0 loss to Gibson. The full wind up and high leg kick of those two, and others of that era may have helped preserve the arms. The work out regimen of today’s pitchers may also have a lot to do with the rate of arm injuries. Kids in the 50’s spent a lot of idle moments throwing a tennis ball at a rectangle chalked on a brick wall. There were fewer high pressure games and more recreational throwing.
bravesgrl4life
June 19th, 2012
7:10 pm
Well, it won’t be a repeat of last night. Not sure if that’s good or not.
B_F 54
June 19th, 2012
7:10 pm
blue is off tonight bad call freaked bourn out
richbrave
June 19th, 2012
7:10 pm
If
richbrave
June 19th, 2012
7:10 pm
only
richbrave
June 19th, 2012
7:10 pm
T-REX
richbrave
June 19th, 2012
7:11 pm
really
nolie
June 19th, 2012
7:11 pm
I thought the odds were better with Drew, but both were pretty long alright
richbrave
June 19th, 2012
7:11 pm
had
richbrave
June 19th, 2012
7:12 pm
been.
Waffle House or Bust
June 19th, 2012
7:12 pm
People stop saying we need this player or need to make this trade. Until Fredi is gone and Frank Wren goes with him, it will continue to be the same. Braves wanted a Bobby Cox type manager and they got it. Problem is Bobby Ball does not work anymore (notice the past ten years in Atlanta?).
Efrim
June 19th, 2012
7:12 pm
Damn, Kuroda looks good.
NickB
June 19th, 2012
7:12 pm
No the Tex deal was an overpay and for a team that didn’t need another bat but needed 2 starters at a minimum, it was JS trying to secure his legacy ith another division , Drew was an actual need filled, I think we got draft picks for Drew too when he left.
btw, where is Drew now? Old and out of baseball
nolie
June 19th, 2012
7:12 pm
Fly ball Tommy is taking his life in his hands in this park, gotta get groundball Tommy to show up
Tomahawk Mafia
June 19th, 2012
7:13 pm
The Braves were retired on 10 pitches. Unfortunately we have become accustomed to that type of futility from the lineup.
nolie
June 19th, 2012
7:13 pm
no draft picks for Drew, I’m fairly sure
B_F 54
June 19th, 2012
7:14 pm
Drew got treated like a dog in Boston but he was a good ballplayer
Efrim
June 19th, 2012
7:14 pm
“What it does, if JJ comes out and pitches well, the snipers all of a sudden they don’t raise their prices if we decide we want [to trade for a pitcher],” Gonzalez said. “They won’t say, you need him really bad, so instead of this [asking price] it’s these two other guys.”
Interesting to see Fredi be that specific.
nolie
June 19th, 2012
7:15 pm
hmmm. why was I thinking Hanson was pitching?
I blame it all on old age….
Jeff R
June 19th, 2012
7:15 pm
jim is spot on in his 7:09 pm post. Kids’ baseball in a lot of places these days has been professionalized, with parents pressing kids to perform well enough to secure scholarships.
An acquaintance of mine’s kid is young (14) and a very talented player. Actually had a Mets’ scout out to evaluate him. After evaluating the kid, the scout said he’d be back in a few years, and in the meantime, don’t push the kid too hard and make sure he was having fun playing.
Baseball shouldn’t be a business for kids.
NickB
June 19th, 2012
7:16 pm
nolie, you are rght they didn’t offer arb, JS became a terrible GM over his last couple of years, that was a dumb move to not offer arby
then again, that was under time warner and they cut payroll drastically
IlliniBrave
June 19th, 2012
7:17 pm
Braves traded Wainwright, Jason Marquis, and Ray “Burger” King, and got JD Drew and Eli Marrero – a very forgettable player for sure. No draft picks at all.
Here is the link to the story.
http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=1685436
ChattTownBrian
June 19th, 2012
7:17 pm
Can’t get him out.
McFann :Ô: :Ô: :ô:
June 19th, 2012
7:18 pm
cabravesfan you know what I mean!
Of course I do—what did you think I thought you meant?…
Our guys just seem to really like the Yankees…
nolie
June 19th, 2012
7:18 pm
Eli had a very good year for the Braves though, instrumental in getting to the post season
NickB
June 19th, 2012
7:18 pm
I would rather we just hit Jeter on one pitch, never have liked him, one of the most overrated players of all time
ChattTownBrian
June 19th, 2012
7:18 pm
Here we go. That damn sonof bitch jeter
jim
June 19th, 2012
7:18 pm
Braves retired on 10 pitches — jeter works an 11 pitch walk.
Tomahawk Mafia
June 19th, 2012
7:19 pm
The Braves collectively saw 10 pitches in the first inning while Jeter sees 10 by himself. That is frustrating.
IlliniBrave
June 19th, 2012
7:19 pm
Getting old and my memory fails me I guess, because I don’t recall Marrero doing much of anything. But I’ll take your word for it.
TBbravesfan
June 19th, 2012
7:20 pm
how many will they score this inning?
nolie
June 19th, 2012
7:20 pm
.320 .374 .520 .894 Marrero
Efrim
June 19th, 2012
7:21 pm
I remember Eli having a good year too.
ChattTownBrian
June 19th, 2012
7:21 pm
NickB, DJ is cocky for sure. I don’t completely buy the “nice guy” thing we see on tv. There’s some underlining stinky shi* there I bet.
IlliniBrave
June 19th, 2012
7:21 pm
Wow! That was a good year! Did he do anything after that?
Jeff R
June 19th, 2012
7:22 pm
Telling you, toward the end, Schuerholz was all about keeping The Run going. Long term planning went out the window.
Frank Wren – to his credit – took over and began looking longer range again. Wren reemphasized developing pitching (which has begun to pay off).
As we all can see, it takes time to restock a system. But the results have positive payoff ongoing.
IlliniBrave
June 19th, 2012
7:22 pm
For all of the Jeter haters, I take your hate for Jeter and multiply it by ten for A-Roid.
ChattTownBrian
June 19th, 2012
7:22 pm
God dang ARoid and Tex have big butts. Worse is when Tex wiggles all the time.
nolie
June 19th, 2012
7:22 pm
nope, only real good year he ever had
tired of the Atl
June 19th, 2012
7:23 pm
I think all Fredo proves is that at the professional level, managing and coaches may not do much to help a team, but the wrong guys sure can bring an otherwise solid team down with boneheaded decisions and lack of leadership qualities. Does anyone really think Joe Torre got that much better as a manager from his time with the Cardinals (where he sucked), to the Yankees? All he had to do was not screw it up. Bobby Cox, same thing, you had four future HoF in the team, try not to screw it up. But Fredi, and seemingly every other pro coach in this town of the last decade or so, screws it up.
nolie
June 19th, 2012
7:24 pm
I would kill Mitchell to get Cano……
ChattTownBrian
June 19th, 2012
7:24 pm
I kinda like Cano though. He seems pretty level headed and he’s real good.
IlliniBrave
June 19th, 2012
7:24 pm
@Jeff R: good points about comparing JS at the end and FW at the beginning. Just hope Wren doesn’t fall prey to the same temptations that swayed Schuerholtz
nolie
June 19th, 2012
7:24 pm
WTG Timmy
Couch Tater
June 19th, 2012
7:24 pm
Hillbilly –
You were “on” today. Funny stuff.
IlliniBrave
June 19th, 2012
7:28 pm
Agree on Cano – he is the real gem of that lineup. Him and Gardner would be my two picks. Most of the other guys, as good as they are, are getting older and slower and don’t have too many years left.
TNScott
June 19th, 2012
7:29 pm
First pitch Freddie
BravesfaninAugusta
June 19th, 2012
7:29 pm
Freddie swings at the first pitch as usual
ncbravesfan90
June 19th, 2012
7:29 pm
JJ pitched one inning in Gwinnett tonight. 1 IP 0 hits 0 runs 2 walks 2 k’s
tired of the Atl
June 19th, 2012
7:30 pm
I sense another CG by the opposing pitcher at this rate.
Tomahawk Mafia
June 19th, 2012
7:30 pm
Freddie Freeman’s approach is awful.
BravesfaninAugusta
June 19th, 2012
7:30 pm
Unbelievably short inning
nolie
June 19th, 2012
7:30 pm
Gardner been hurt?
BravesfaninAugusta
June 19th, 2012
7:31 pm
Chipper is absolutely DONE
nolie
June 19th, 2012
7:31 pm
Did Parrish sneak in the back door again?
valdosta native
June 19th, 2012
7:31 pm
I’ll put in my two cents here, and leave it be for the rest of the year. The Braves don’t need to panic for another bat OR another arm. What they SHOULD do is keep rolling Minor and Delgado out there along with either Jurrgens, Tehran, or Medlen. They could even give Hudson or Hanson a break (since both coming off injuries from last year) every fifth day by rolling a 1-2 combination of those guys out there. If anything, Wren should trade for some bullpen help. As far as the offense goes, it seems like calling up AA guys (ie Simmons) seems to be working out. Give Gatis a chance or someone else with the bat. Our future is our rotation and farm system minus Chipper/Lowe/ possibly Hudson off the books next year to get a quality bomber at 3rd or left field. Sorry Chipper…sorry we couldn’t give you that swan song you wanted, but we can’t unload any talent to plug in gaps for just the remainder of this year. Not worth it!!!!!
Disgusted
June 19th, 2012
7:31 pm
This is a completely different Chipper siince he has been back. He is more like Chumpper.
4 for 26 since he has been back — That deserves to be Booed.
Tomahawk Mafia
June 19th, 2012
7:31 pm
Kuroda threw 8 pitches that inning. This team needs to alter there approach back to the way it was when they were extremely patient and working walks earlier in the season. They look so awful and uninspiring at the plate right now.
nolie
June 19th, 2012
7:31 pm
nah Chipper will bounce back
BravesfaninAugusta
June 19th, 2012
7:33 pm
When did Freddie decide that one pitch is all he gets?????????
nolie
June 19th, 2012
7:34 pm
whats the feeling about the Yanks unis with no names?
kevkat
June 19th, 2012
7:34 pm
Wow…swinging like they got a plane to catch..already
ncbravesfan90
June 19th, 2012
7:35 pm
Dang this ump is all over the place early in the game.
Bravofan
June 19th, 2012
7:35 pm
Phillies rookie infielder Freddy Galvis has been banned for 50 games for testing positive for a banned substance.
http://m.espn.go.com/mlb/story?storyId=8074062
BravesfaninAugusta
June 19th, 2012
7:35 pm
Ump having a bad night behind the plate
nolie
June 19th, 2012
7:36 pm
we might could lose this
BravesfaninAugusta
June 19th, 2012
7:36 pm
They just can’t miss that easy Hudson offering
kevkat
June 19th, 2012
7:36 pm
That hit was a result of the missed call on an earlier pitch..which looked like a strike.
MFin04
June 19th, 2012
7:36 pm
Of course Raul who was 0 for the world gets a double off of Huddy.
David O'Brien
June 19th, 2012
7:37 pm
Teixiera and Ibanez with consecutive hits off Hudson to start Yankees 2nd. Ibanez snaps an 0-for-15 with double.
Swisher doubles over head of Bourn, 2-0 lead
Disgusted
June 19th, 2012
7:37 pm
I don’t care what anyone wants to make of WAR, anyone who has been following and watching the game should come to the conclusion that Giancarlo Stanton has been far better than Heyward this year by far.
Don’t even want to get in a long winded debate on it.
As for traditional stats, OBP should have been more closely paid attention to years ago.
OPS and RC I have no problem with, but VORP and WAR are theoretical & ficticious.
2011 again?
June 19th, 2012
7:37 pm
Plain and simple this team just sucks!!! Next year no Freddie and no Chipper!! WOOOO HOOOO
Efrim
June 19th, 2012
7:38 pm
Patient group, them Damn Yankees.
kevkat
June 19th, 2012
7:38 pm
yea, this ump sucks..call that pitch a strike he called a ball earlier..gonna be a long night
Tomahawk Mafia
June 19th, 2012
7:39 pm
This will likely be the game here when the Yankees score.
Bravofan
June 19th, 2012
7:39 pm
Woow
BravesfaninAugusta
June 19th, 2012
7:39 pm
Yankees are patient at the plate
ncbravesfan90
June 19th, 2012
7:39 pm
To those who say we don’t need to trade for a frontline starting pitcher:
Who do we hand the ball to in a must win game?????
MFin04
June 19th, 2012
7:39 pm
Ballgame. Wow. Bourn just missed a catch.
bp
June 19th, 2012
7:39 pm
bad pitching sorry offense sorry bench plus only one decent bullpen pitcher equals no playoffs.
TNScott
June 19th, 2012
7:39 pm
Any reason to watch anymore?
Efrim
June 19th, 2012
7:39 pm
So close…..great at bat. They are moving on all cylinders – it’s incredible.
Disgusted
June 19th, 2012
7:39 pm
Early shower for Huddy?????????? Whatever.
Another loss vs the NYY, big deal. Ho hum.
tired of the Atl
June 19th, 2012
7:39 pm
valdosta, agree. It’s rebuilding time around Freeman, Simmons, Heyward, Prado, Kimbrel, Beachy, Minor, Medlen, Hanson. Trade Bourn before the deadline, shop Jurrjens. Hang onto McCann for another year while a catcher in the minors gets ready. Dump Fredi for someone who will let give the kids some leadership, play the kids, get another veteran pitcher and hitter in here with the $ and let them make a serious run in a year or two.
BravesfaninAugusta
June 19th, 2012
7:40 pm
Braves are so overmatched
nolie
June 19th, 2012
7:41 pm
Timmy ain’t fooling anybody so far this inning
MFin04
June 19th, 2012
7:41 pm
Must win this game.
ncbravesfan90
June 19th, 2012
7:41 pm
Why does it feel like we are down 10-0 now?
Disgusted
June 19th, 2012
7:41 pm
The Braves do not have the goods or the budget to trade for and retain a proven frontline SP who is in his prime.
And truth is that we do not need one, we need two if not 3.
Building project season. This is not getting turned around if anything its getting worse.
IlliniBrave
June 19th, 2012
7:41 pm
@nolie: Gardner’s been on the DL with shoulder/elbow issues, but is looking to return after the break. Was all set to return this week but had a setback.
tired of the Atl
June 19th, 2012
7:41 pm
Yankees whoopin your behind and Uggla chatting it up with Nick Swisher about the new cup he bought at Wal Mart.
bp
June 19th, 2012
7:41 pm
Start tipping your caps.
B_F 54
June 19th, 2012
7:42 pm
Hoss
Murph
June 19th, 2012
7:42 pm
Well… crap.
MFin04
June 19th, 2012
7:42 pm
Possibly because we can’t score, and the Yankees can?
2011 again?
June 19th, 2012
7:42 pm
I’m done watching these losers!!! They freaking Stink!!! The TED will be so empty ater the All-Star Break… These bums don’t deserve our hard earned money…
B_F 54
June 19th, 2012
7:42 pm
Freddie
cowdogit
June 19th, 2012
7:43 pm
It’s disgusting to watch Chipper kissing up to the yankee players , It has a very negative effect on the young braves . No class for this glory hog . No pressure on Chipper , he knows Fredi hasn’t got the balls to take him out of the lineup .
keylargo
June 19th, 2012
7:43 pm
Melky Cabrerra – All Star Starter overtakes Ryan Braun in voting.
http://milwaukee.brewers.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20120619&content_id=33556622&vkey=news_mlb&c_id=mlb
Tomahawk Mafia
June 19th, 2012
7:43 pm
This Yankees team is so patient and they are good.
BravesfaninAugusta
June 19th, 2012
7:43 pm
Agree that we have no Ace on this staff now
IlliniBrave
June 19th, 2012
7:43 pm
Sometimes Chipper shows flashes of his HOF brilliance.
MFin04
June 19th, 2012
7:43 pm
Well that wasn’t too terrible. Of course, we can’t score enough to win, but at least I don’t have to shut the game off yet.
ChattTownBrian
June 19th, 2012
7:43 pm
Why do woman go crazy for Jeter? He so damn ugly.
Efrim
June 19th, 2012
7:43 pm
Nice play by Freeman.
nolie
June 19th, 2012
7:43 pm
gee Fredi ain’t the onliest manager who has a hot guy bunt with one out and a runner already in scoring oposition. gross stupidity no matter who calls it
MIBravesFan
June 19th, 2012
7:44 pm
Well they finally got Jeter out. That’s something positive.
Disaffected
June 19th, 2012
7:44 pm
This the first game all year that I’ve willingly chosen not to watch. I just can’t stand to see the Yankees own us anymore.
Trey
June 19th, 2012
7:44 pm
nolie, I wouldn’t mind them if I was a Yankees fan, since I would know each player by heart.
BravesfaninAugusta
June 19th, 2012
7:45 pm
Our DH is batting .207….that sums it up
Lil' Barry Bailout
June 19th, 2012
7:45 pm
Maybe the series against the Red Sox will be more competitive, cuz the last week has really sukked.
ncbravesfan90
June 19th, 2012
7:45 pm
On Friday the Braves will have 4 starting pitchers on the roster with ERA’s of 4+ and 2 of those starters with a 6+ ERA.
kevkat
June 19th, 2012
7:46 pm
tired of the Atl
June 19th, 2012
7:39 pm
valdosta, agree. It’s rebuilding time around Freeman, Simmons, Heyward, Prado, Kimbrel, Beachy, Minor, Medlen, Hanson. Trade Bourn before the deadline, shop Jurrjens. Hang onto McCann for another year while a catcher in the minors gets ready. Dump Fredi for someone who will let give the kids some leadership, play the kids, get another veteran pitcher and hitter in here with the $ and let them make a serious run in a year or two.
Don’t do anything until mini camp for football begins…
B_F 54
June 19th, 2012
7:46 pm
J Heeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeey!!!
Efrim
June 19th, 2012
7:46 pm
Great job, J-Hey!!!
nolie
June 19th, 2012
7:46 pm
man that exploded off his bat
David O'Brien
June 19th, 2012
7:46 pm
Nice work by Heyward, good hustle.
ChattTownBrian
June 19th, 2012
7:46 pm
Awesome JHEY! That looked like that 2010 Heyward with that swing.
TNScott
June 19th, 2012
7:46 pm
Nice hustle, J-Hey!!!
Bat Masterson
June 19th, 2012
7:46 pm
Atta boy, Jason
Smoked that one
TBbravesfan
June 19th, 2012
7:46 pm
will he score?
IlliniBrave
June 19th, 2012
7:46 pm
@Disaffected yeah, I agree, it sucks when another team can say “you’re my b****” and you know it’s true. Like the Phillies two and three years ago.
MIBravesFan
June 19th, 2012
7:46 pm
Yeah, JHey!!
BravesfaninAugusta
June 19th, 2012
7:46 pm
Nice hustle but he almost made the first out at third
Ron Burgundy
June 19th, 2012
7:46 pm
Heyward is the only Brave that plays with any passion. I like this kid.
B_F 54
June 19th, 2012
7:46 pm
bingo
cabravesfan
June 19th, 2012
7:46 pm
Our DH is batting .207….that sums it up
Their catcher is hitting .205
Efrim
June 19th, 2012
7:47 pm
That ball was smoked. He continues to crush RHP.
bp
June 19th, 2012
7:47 pm
Stupid baserunning by Wayward.
nolie
June 19th, 2012
7:47 pm
good coupla at bats
BravesfaninAugusta
June 19th, 2012
7:47 pm
Simmons needs to hit higher in the lineup
Disgusted
June 19th, 2012
7:47 pm
“Drew got treated like a dog in Boston but he was a good ballplayer”
In his whole time there he never hit as many as 25 HRs or drove in as many as 70 RBI. That for 5 yrs at 70 mil a top tiered contract at the time in the winter of 2006.
Had he had two of those yrs like he had in 2004 with the Braves or even the Dodgers in 06, the Boston fans would have accepted him more.
He was not a dirt dog type of guy, just not a fit for that city. He was not good enough.
MIBravesFan
June 19th, 2012
7:47 pm
Good job, Simba!
nolie
June 19th, 2012
7:47 pm
stupid??? sigh
Frumpy
June 19th, 2012
7:48 pm
Jhey continuing his good hitting of late, liked the way he starting to go about it
Murph
June 19th, 2012
7:48 pm
Simmons needs to hit higher in the lineup
I’ll wait until he’s a bit further into the season, but I’m starting to agree with you. The kid seems to be better than advertised with the bat.
Lil' Barry Bailout
June 19th, 2012
7:48 pm
A 0.207 DH? That’s either pathetic, stupid, or both.
ncbravesfan90
June 19th, 2012
7:48 pm
Come on, don’t need a defensive swing on a 3-1 count, geeez!
Ron Burgundy
June 19th, 2012
7:48 pm
Braves need to play Mike Lum more.
bp
June 19th, 2012
7:48 pm
Hinske sux
kevkat
June 19th, 2012
7:49 pm
Wow..you know you’re going to get a fastball and that’s the best you can do…Geez
nolie
June 19th, 2012
7:49 pm
he was cited a coupla yeas as the team MVP by their management. he fit well, he was just not a star
BravesfaninAugusta
June 19th, 2012
7:49 pm
Hinske flirting with the Mendoza line now
Disgusted
June 19th, 2012
7:49 pm
I might be having second thoughts on wanting them to pick up the $9M option on Hudson if this keeps up.
Tomahawk Mafia
June 19th, 2012
7:49 pm
Nobody should hit a 3-1 pitch that weakly.
Efrim
June 19th, 2012
7:49 pm
I don’t usually pick on bench players, but that was a 3-1 fastball right down the middle and Hinske with a weak grounder to 3rd base. I mean, come on, Eric……
cabravesfan
June 19th, 2012
7:49 pm
Not really sure where else you would hit Simba except 7,8, or 2 and he is not going to hit in the 2 spot as long as Marteen is hitting well there…
ChattTownBrian
June 19th, 2012
7:50 pm
Wow Hinske. Yikes he is rolling pitches down the middle softly on the ground.
TBbravesfan
June 19th, 2012
7:50 pm
go blimpski go.
IlliniBrave
June 19th, 2012
7:50 pm
Yankees announcers (it’s all I can get up here) ripping on Hinske not getting better contact on that fastball he was waiting for. Eric does seem to be a different batter this year.
Ron Burgundy
June 19th, 2012
7:50 pm
Braves need more scotch sponsors.
B_F 54
June 19th, 2012
7:50 pm
But JD helped em win the WS
BravesfaninAugusta
June 19th, 2012
7:50 pm
Hudson needs an easy inning here
kevkat
June 19th, 2012
7:51 pm
There’s your run Huddy…hold the lea..oops..ah hold em there…
Ron Burgundy
June 19th, 2012
7:51 pm
Hinske sucked last season but they brought him back because he part of the good ol boy system.
Efrim
June 19th, 2012
7:51 pm
I might be having second thoughts on wanting them to pick up the $9M option on Hudson if this keeps up.
He could finish with an ERA in the 4’s and that’s still fine value for Hudson. Especially if Beachy isn’t available until mid-August.
IlliniBrave
June 19th, 2012
7:52 pm
Could Hinske be this year’s Greg Norton?
nolie
June 19th, 2012
7:52 pm
yeah I was not really in favor of re-signing ske last winter
Ron Burgundy
June 19th, 2012
7:52 pm
Remember the good ol days when this blog did not have all the spam?
BravesfaninAugusta
June 19th, 2012
7:53 pm
Can’t decide who is more annoying: Chip or Don?
Tomahawk Mafia
June 19th, 2012
7:53 pm
A shutdown inning would be nice.
BravesfaninAugusta
June 19th, 2012
7:54 pm
I like listening on the radio but Sutton never shuts up so I’m voting for him
ChattTownBrian
June 19th, 2012
7:54 pm
What do you do when you lose your #1 to injury? Teams that want to go for it and have the means go out do everything to get a #1 if he’s out there. Wren I hope will think this way pretty soon. Doubtful, I know, but I hope.
IlliniBrave
June 19th, 2012
7:54 pm
@BravesinAugusta: I actually am listening to the Yankees announcers and I have to say they are better than Chip and Don for sure.
nolie
June 19th, 2012
7:54 pm
I like them both just fine
BravesfaninAugusta
June 19th, 2012
7:55 pm
That’s more like it
Efrim
June 19th, 2012
7:55 pm
Cano really has a special swing, eh nolie?
IlliniBrave
June 19th, 2012
7:56 pm
nolie: seriously?
TNScott
June 19th, 2012
7:56 pm
Ask and ye shall receive, Tomahawk.
nolie
June 19th, 2012
7:56 pm
Been a big Cano fan for years Efrim. one of my faves
Tomahawk Mafia
June 19th, 2012
7:56 pm
Good inning, lets get some runs.
BravesfaninAugusta
June 19th, 2012
7:57 pm
Switching to radio now thanks for the tip IlliniBrave….but I’ll miss Jim Powell
cabravesfan
June 19th, 2012
7:58 pm
I like Cano much better than I like Jeter. But that’s like saying I like pizza much better than flesh eating bacteria…
nolie
June 19th, 2012
7:58 pm
I think Don knows baseball than all the rest of their ex-jocks combined. Skip has never really bothered me all that much like he seems to so many here. just individual taste
usnavyvolfaninva
June 19th, 2012
7:58 pm
Man, are there that many Gata fans in ATL, that every time I log on to ajc I see an ad for UF season tix?
MIBravesFan
June 19th, 2012
7:59 pm
Good start to the inning, Martin!
Efrim
June 19th, 2012
7:59 pm
Hah! Michael Kay said Greg Walker isn’t preaching “working the count” to the Braves hitters. Oh boy…..not sure about that. Every offense looks like they aren’t patient enough when they are struggling. I like Walker, so far.
B_F 54
June 19th, 2012
7:59 pm
Good knock Marteeeeeeeeeeeeeeen!!
TNScott
June 19th, 2012
7:59 pm
Nice hit, Martin!!!
BFChris27
June 19th, 2012
7:59 pm
Heyward!!!!!!!!
Marteeeeeeeen!!!!!!!!
nolie
June 19th, 2012
7:59 pm
prado can hit a ball anywhere
ChattTownBrian
June 19th, 2012
8:00 pm
Come on fat lard
TheOnlyBravesFan
June 19th, 2012
8:00 pm
Could Hinske be this year’s Greg Norton?
Possibly. He looks lost and slow at the plate…
IlliniBrave
June 19th, 2012
8:00 pm
Great sarcastic comment by one of the announcers here: “guess Walker the hitting coach is not preaching working the count”
nolie
June 19th, 2012
8:00 pm
its a stretch but all 4 of their IFers could end up in the Hall.
Efrim
June 19th, 2012
8:00 pm
nolie, I never thought Cano would be THIS good. He’s unbelievable.
IlliniBrave
June 19th, 2012
8:01 pm
Efrim: you beat me to it!
nolie
June 19th, 2012
8:02 pm
how did that miss Mac’s big butt?
ChattTownBrian
June 19th, 2012
8:02 pm
How’d it miss that blubber butt
Ron Burgundy
June 19th, 2012
8:02 pm
How did that ball miss Macs fat booty?
TheOnlyBravesFan
June 19th, 2012
8:02 pm
At least Mac moved Prado over… let’s go Dan!
MIBravesFan
June 19th, 2012
8:02 pm
Well done by BMac to get Martin over
TNScott
June 19th, 2012
8:03 pm
Productive AB, Cann!
Disgusted
June 19th, 2012
8:03 pm
I don’t know why anyone would not like Don Sutton and he is honest in the game anaylasis.
The two who bug me the most are Ben Ingram and Jay Howell. Too pollyana and sun is always in the sky, everything is going to be all right. Never say any nasties.
Not really a big Jim Powell fan or detractor. Take him or leave him.
Tomahawk Mafia
June 19th, 2012
8:03 pm
The chances are slim that Uggla will knock this runner on third in.
tired of the Atl
June 19th, 2012
8:03 pm
down the middle… whiff! Uggla looking at his buddy Nick Swisher’s cup size.
IlliniBrave
June 19th, 2012
8:04 pm
Crap! Uggs is swinging for the fences. How about a grounder to the right side of the IF?
Ron Burgundy
June 19th, 2012
8:04 pm
Uggla is no Marty Perez.
CaptMudd
June 19th, 2012
8:04 pm
Yaba Daba do…..Uggla who!
Disgusted
June 19th, 2012
8:04 pm
Hinske did not suck last yr or the yr before, but he is not getting the J-O-B done this yr.
I have defended him but its getting to the point where I can’t anymore.
What has happened to this bench?
bravesgrl4life
June 19th, 2012
8:04 pm
Dang it, Uggs.
IlliniBrave
June 19th, 2012
8:05 pm
So damn predictable. Swinging for the fences almost every time. Why can’t these Braves play small ball?
Ron Burgundy
June 19th, 2012
8:05 pm
Uggla was like going to Vegas and losing. Seems to be how all of Wrens visit to sin city turn out.
ncbravesfan90
June 19th, 2012
8:05 pm
3 hole hitter: .237 BA
4 hole hitter: .249 BA
Not a recipe for offensive success.
Tomahawk Mafia
June 19th, 2012
8:05 pm
Is it a team rule that Freeman has to swing at the first pitch no matter what?
nolie
June 19th, 2012
8:05 pm
Freddie is having a Jason sophomore year
ChattTownBrian
June 19th, 2012
8:05 pm
FF has to swing at everything. Starting to question this boys intelligence
TNScott
June 19th, 2012
8:05 pm
Swinging Freddie.
phoenix
June 19th, 2012
8:05 pm
Dan Uggla: Impact Player. Worth every cent.
tired of the Atl
June 19th, 2012
8:06 pm
uhhh, what is Uggla’s WAR again? If it’s Walking back After whiffing with a Runner on…he leads the majors!!!
IlliniBrave
June 19th, 2012
8:06 pm
Freddie’s trying to go yard also. This team has got Andruwjonesitis!
Remember
June 19th, 2012
8:06 pm
Doesn’t losing stick in anyone on this team’s craw?
Ron Burgundy
June 19th, 2012
8:06 pm
I’ve never seen a manager that looks so helpless as Fredi does. Reminds me of Brick.
phoenix
June 19th, 2012
8:06 pm
AJC headline: “Jurrjens could help Braves now” Really? Has he learned to hit?
unclesaltys.lighthouse
June 19th, 2012
8:06 pm
come join the discussion at http://www.talkingchop.com
Ron Burgundy
June 19th, 2012
8:07 pm
Good thing I have my scotch.
IlliniBrave
June 19th, 2012
8:08 pm
Now announcers talking about Braves as a small-market low-payroll team. Such a damning indictment that I can’t help but laugh.
Efrim
June 19th, 2012
8:08 pm
Nice walk Freddie. Very good at bat.
kelevra
June 19th, 2012
8:08 pm
Even when they r playing good the braves are clearly a step below the best teams obvious by our games against the yankees and nationals….so the best thing for the franchise is to rebuild it. if your not good enough to when it all then what r you doing? so here is what we do….
wait for uggla to have one of those 2 week monster stretches and then trade at max value….it is a weak market for impact bats so the haul should be pretty good
mccann is starting to find it again so you wait for him to get his numbers up and trade him to an american league team for a decent package
trade bourn to the highest bidder not in nl east…again legit leadoff hitters are rare so the package should be pretty good
ask chipper if he wants a 3 month head start on retirement or if he wants another shot at a ring..if its the ladder then send him off to a contender for a something decent but nothing great for average hitting 40 year old
trade ross to a team desperate for catching help…there are actually a lot of teams who need catching help
put prado back at second, make sure the prospects you get back include potential center fielder, left fielder, 3rd baseman, catcher and one frontline pitching prospect.
put innings limit on anyone coming back from injury(hanson, moylan, venters(fatigue) medlen)
AND FOR THE LOVE OF GOD FIND A REAL MANAGER!!
MIBravesFan
June 19th, 2012
8:08 pm
Nice AB after that 1st pitch swing
bravesgrl4life
June 19th, 2012
8:08 pm
Okay, time for Chipper to return to Chipper-like hitting here!
keylargo
June 19th, 2012
8:09 pm
Y’all talking about Beachy coming back and pitching next year keep in mind Medlen was hurt in July and pitched two and a third of an inning the next year. If Beachy has TJ, count on him for 2014 and not before.
Ron Burgundy
June 19th, 2012
8:09 pm
Have a good night everyone. Ron is going to finish off this bottle of scotch and watch Baretta.
Stay classy.
tired of the Atl
June 19th, 2012
8:10 pm
off the ankle…15 day DL starting tomorrow
IlliniBrave
June 19th, 2012
8:10 pm
Swinging at just about everything. Is Andruw Jones the hitting coach?
unclesaltys.lighthouse
June 19th, 2012
8:10 pm
join our discussion at http://www.talkingchop.com
TheOnlyBravesFan
June 19th, 2012
8:10 pm
Unfortunately, I don’t feel too confident with Chipper here…. I’m so wrong…
ChattTownBrian
June 19th, 2012
8:10 pm
See CJ opening his hips early. He’s cheating because his bat is slow
cabravesfan
June 19th, 2012
8:11 pm
Medlen was hurt in August
Bill
June 19th, 2012
8:11 pm
It will take to much to get Ryan Dempster. He has a 14 million contract this year with another 3 million he could earn from bonue. He also has 3 million owned him in defered payment. He has a no trade which he would need to approve which would be more $$. Plus he is a free agent at end of year.
Cubs woulds also ask for 2 or 3 very good minor league players.
DOB I believe this is right based on Cots contracts and Insider…if wrong let me know.
Braves must get something they can build on, not another Tex deal.
TheOnlyBravesFan
June 19th, 2012
8:11 pm
And he proved me wrong… thanks Chip
MIBravesFan
June 19th, 2012
8:11 pm
WTG, Chipper!!!
BFChris27
June 19th, 2012
8:11 pm
Chipper!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
ChattTownBrian
June 19th, 2012
8:11 pm
Cool. Got around on that sucker.
cabravesfan
June 19th, 2012
8:11 pm
Old Man!
B_F 54
June 19th, 2012
8:11 pm
Hoooooooooooooooooooooooooss!!!
Tomahawk Mafia
June 19th, 2012
8:12 pm
That RBI double is such a pleasant sight.
ncbravesfan90
June 19th, 2012
8:12 pm
Chipper!!
IlliniBrave
June 19th, 2012
8:12 pm
Chipper silences the critics once again. First with the barehand play and now with the RBI double.
bravesgrl4life
June 19th, 2012
8:12 pm
HE DID IT HE DID IT!!!!
TNScott
June 19th, 2012
8:12 pm
Chipper!!!
Bat Masterson
June 19th, 2012
8:12 pm
Atta boy, Chipper
usnavyvolfaninva
June 19th, 2012
8:12 pm
Chipper!!! Doesn’t looked to washed up to me!
David O'Brien
June 19th, 2012
8:12 pm
First extra-base hit and RBI for Chipper since his May 18 leg injury
Efrim
June 19th, 2012
8:12 pm
Nice job, Chipper. Well done.
TheOnlyBravesFan
June 19th, 2012
8:12 pm
that’s 1 play, he needs to keep it up, small sample size, ya know
ChattTownBrian
June 19th, 2012
8:12 pm
And Freddie is one slow dude
bravesgrl4life
June 19th, 2012
8:13 pm
Come on Jason, a big ole tater would be nice here.
cabravesfan
June 19th, 2012
8:13 pm
There are not a large number of guys that would have scored from first on that play
tired of the Atl
June 19th, 2012
8:14 pm
Freeman wins the Fred McGriff speed demon award this year. Dude probably could not win the Tool Race at the Ted is he was running full tilt.
bp
June 19th, 2012
8:14 pm
Could Weyward get two hits in one game?
IlliniBrave
June 19th, 2012
8:14 pm
If Freddie were J-Hey or Andrelton or Bourn, we’d have another run. But alas, Freddie and B-Mac are in the same category – s…l…o…w
TheOnlyBravesFan
June 19th, 2012
8:14 pm
nice walk Jason… Let’s go SIMBA. Get you a slam right here.
unclesaltys.lighthouse
June 19th, 2012
8:14 pm
come join http://www.talkingchop.com
Efrim
June 19th, 2012
8:15 pm
Great plate appearances there from Jason. Waited for his pitch and never got it.
MIBravesFan
June 19th, 2012
8:15 pm
Good patience by JHey
Tomahawk Mafia
June 19th, 2012
8:15 pm
I like the patience from Freeman and Heyward in this inning. I just hope they can score another run, but it is doubtful.
usnavyvolfaninva
June 19th, 2012
8:15 pm
Nice! Heyward coaxes a walk. Loads them up for Simmons!
TheOnlyBravesFan
June 19th, 2012
8:16 pm
There are not a large number of guys that would have scored from first on that play
Uggla woulda scored.
Watch out Chip, you barely got back. Lucky cuz of a “bad” throw
BFChris27
June 19th, 2012
8:16 pm
Simmons!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
TheOnlyBravesFan
June 19th, 2012
8:17 pm
Thanks Simba…
WTG Jason, cost us a run there. You can’t go to 3rd before Chipper scores. Make sure you’ll get there. GEEZ
IlliniBrave
June 19th, 2012
8:17 pm
Heyward with a baserunning blunder. Still a kid.
Efrim
June 19th, 2012
8:17 pm
Yeesh, Jason. Too aggressive.
Nice job by Simmons.
nolie
June 19th, 2012
8:17 pm
bummer
Tomahawk Mafia
June 19th, 2012
8:17 pm
Even when the Braves do something correctly, they still suck. That will bite them in the rear end soon enough.
B_F 54
June 19th, 2012
8:17 pm
good lick Andreeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee!!!
ChattTownBrian
June 19th, 2012
8:18 pm
What, you thought things were going to just up and turn around that easy. Nope, when you’re slumping things like that happen
tired of the Atl
June 19th, 2012
8:18 pm
That Richard Simmons is the real deal….
MIBravesFan
June 19th, 2012
8:18 pm
Great job by Simba with the 2-out RBI! JHey overeager on the bases that time.
ncbravesfan90
June 19th, 2012
8:18 pm
KNOW
YOUR
BASERUNNERS!!
Gotta know who’s running ahead of you, if thats Bourn running in front of you then you can try and stretch it out to third but not Chipper, Mac, or Freeman.
bp
June 19th, 2012
8:18 pm
Wayward strikes again.What a bozo..We will lose by one.
B_F 54
June 19th, 2012
8:18 pm
Snitgrrrrrrr
David O'Brien
June 19th, 2012
8:18 pm
All Heyward has to do there is hold up, get in a rundown to let the second run cross the plate. Braves would be up 4-2
IlliniBrave
June 19th, 2012
8:19 pm
J-Hey thinking “I created a run with my aggressive baserunning before, I can do it again.” NO you can’t!
CaptMudd
June 19th, 2012
8:19 pm
Fredi is Dumbo 1…..and Heyward 2…just awful….take a little success and put it in the toilet with stupid inning stopping, run robbing, foolishness.
TheOnlyBravesFan
June 19th, 2012
8:19 pm
Baserunning blunder by JHey, but it’s okay. Not like Hinske woulda driven in a run anyway… lol
Tomahawk Mafia
June 19th, 2012
8:19 pm
A shutdown inning would be nice for Hudson, but it will be tough. These Yankees seemingly score at will when they are down against the Braves.
BravesfaninAugusta
June 19th, 2012
8:19 pm
Heyward is a bonehead
kevkat
June 19th, 2012
8:19 pm
IlliniBrave
Efrim
I agree about Jason…but damn we’re slow
Done
June 19th, 2012
8:20 pm
Jason Heyward you stupid MORON!!!!!
TheOnlyBravesFan
June 19th, 2012
8:20 pm
All Heyward has to do there is hold up, get in a rundown to let the second run cross the plate.
This. And especially with Chipper running.
MFin04
June 19th, 2012
8:20 pm
Sucks when your whole team is slow!
Lil' Barry Bailout
June 19th, 2012
8:20 pm
Moron.
ChattTownBrian
June 19th, 2012
8:20 pm
You see Jeter running and pointing like a little leaguer? Yeah we know the run didn’t score you phony boloney
kevkat
June 19th, 2012
8:20 pm
But you guys are right..you have to make sure that throw is headed to the plate..
TheOnlyBravesFan
June 19th, 2012
8:20 pm
Heyward is a bonehead
No he’s not..
Hmmmm
June 19th, 2012
8:21 pm
“Meebo.com will be shutting down on July 11, 2012″
good hopefully when they shutdown they take that stupid popup bar with them, that this is starting to get annoying.
IlliniBrave
June 19th, 2012
8:21 pm
Yankees don’t make mistakes like this.
TheOnlyBravesFan
June 19th, 2012
8:21 pm
Dang Freddie…. hope your Abs aren’t hurt….
Lil' Barry Bailout
June 19th, 2012
8:22 pm
Also made the last out at third. Moron.
kevkat
June 19th, 2012
8:22 pm
slow and can’t field ..damn
tmc
June 19th, 2012
8:22 pm
you know you are in a slump when things are going your way (in the game) and bad breaks still go against you.
UGH!
CaptMudd
June 19th, 2012
8:22 pm
Heyward and the rest of this brain trust need to understand these Yankees play smart and are fundamentally sound defensively….you’re not going to take advantage and get greedy on them.
Tomahawk Mafia
June 19th, 2012
8:22 pm
The error by Freeman will be costly.
MFin04
June 19th, 2012
8:23 pm
I definitely see the Braves lead holding up!
help
June 19th, 2012
8:23 pm
anybody got a link to the game
bp
June 19th, 2012
8:23 pm
If Freeman doesn’t want to play go sit on the bench you wuss.
IlliniBrave
June 19th, 2012
8:23 pm
TOBF: Freddie has abs? Who’d a thunk?
BravesfaninAugusta
June 19th, 2012
8:23 pm
What the heck is Freddie doing out there?
MFin04
June 19th, 2012
8:23 pm
This ump is soo inconsistent it is absurd. The low strike is only a strike for one pitcher apparently.
nolie
June 19th, 2012
8:23 pm
we know who the boneheads are…
unclesaltys.lighthouse
June 19th, 2012
8:24 pm
come join our discussion at http://www.talkingchop.com
Bill
June 19th, 2012
8:24 pm
Ok J-hey screwed up…no need of all the name calling. At least he was busting his a@@.
BravesfaninAugusta
June 19th, 2012
8:24 pm
Probably didn’t see it with those screwed up eyes
MFin04
June 19th, 2012
8:25 pm
Huddy not looking good tonight.
ncbravesfan90
June 19th, 2012
8:25 pm
Been the difference in both series, walks. Got to trust your stuff and throw strikes, pitch ahead.
IlliniBrave
June 19th, 2012
8:25 pm
Crap! Seems like Ibanez running threw off Huddy’s focus.
Tomahawk Mafia
June 19th, 2012
8:25 pm
Nick Swisher laid off some close pitches.
bravesgrl4life
June 19th, 2012
8:25 pm
Yeah, more worried about Timmy having 2 on with only a one-run lead.
ChattTownBrian
June 19th, 2012
8:25 pm
Is it me or does Freddie seem to be pouty a lot?
nolie
June 19th, 2012
8:25 pm
First error of the year, guess he might be human afterall
Jay
June 19th, 2012
8:26 pm
Dylan 80’s era song, 60’s era photo. He wishes he looked like that in the 80’s.
George Stein
June 19th, 2012
8:27 pm
Shouldn’t Snitker have been giving Heyward a stop sign? With Chipper running, it was smart of him to head to third because he figured the play would be at the plate.
IlliniBrave
June 19th, 2012
8:27 pm
Announcers now dissing Braves bullpen leading up to Kimbrel. Calling the middle-relief and set-up guys “a little shaky”. Gotta agree.
nolie
June 19th, 2012
8:28 pm
there is the difference in payroll. they have Chavez we have Francisco….
BravesfaninAugusta
June 19th, 2012
8:28 pm
Yea Snickers should have been waving him back towards 2B
ChattTownBrian
June 19th, 2012
8:28 pm
Hudson gets in love with that breaking ball and cutter. Neither are all that great of pitches imo.
MFin04
June 19th, 2012
8:29 pm
Huddy can’t get any calls so his pitch count is sky high.
Efrim
June 19th, 2012
8:30 pm
Come on, Huddy….
ncbravesfan90
June 19th, 2012
8:30 pm
Chipper looks scared to death at third base…
MFin04
June 19th, 2012
8:30 pm
Chipper and Bourn giving away runs with their defense tonight. Wow. If it isn’t one thing….it is another.
BravesfaninAugusta
June 19th, 2012
8:30 pm
PRADO makes that play!!!!
tired of the Atl
June 19th, 2012
8:31 pm
line….drive….must…get…glove….down…..oh……no…….
Efrim
June 19th, 2012
8:31 pm
Hudson hasn’t been helped by his defense.
kevkat
June 19th, 2012
8:31 pm
Wow…are u kidding me…the hot corners have let Huddy down this inning
B_F 54
June 19th, 2012
8:31 pm
Damn Hoss what you thinking about?
Tomahawk Mafia
June 19th, 2012
8:31 pm
Yep. The Braves can never strand runners and shutdown innings are so hard to come by. Take a lead and they never can hold it. Chipper sucked on that play too.
Hmmmm
June 19th, 2012
8:31 pm
“The error by Freeman will be costly”
snowball effect
BravesfaninAugusta
June 19th, 2012
8:31 pm
That is just sad to watch
MFin04
June 19th, 2012
8:31 pm
Jeter gonna kill the Braves again? Might wanna walk him.
IlliniBrave
June 19th, 2012
8:31 pm
He giveth and he taketh away.
Duke
June 19th, 2012
8:32 pm
Wow! Did Chipper just olay that?
MFin04
June 19th, 2012
8:32 pm
Swisher might have been out right there….
kevkat
June 19th, 2012
8:32 pm
MFin04
June 19th, 2012
8:30 pm
Chipper and Bourn giving away runs with their defense tonight. Wow. If it isn’t one thing….it is another.
When did Bourn give one away…I must have missed it
TheOnlyBravesFan
June 19th, 2012
8:32 pm
Damn Hoss what you thinking about?
Trying to keep the ball off of his leg…
IlliniBrave
June 19th, 2012
8:32 pm
MFin04: yup, thinking a 2-run single here.
The A Bomb
June 19th, 2012
8:32 pm
GAWD DORN IT!
IlliniBrave
June 19th, 2012
8:33 pm
Huddy up to almost 90 pitches. Yikes!
Tomahawk Mafia
June 19th, 2012
8:33 pm
Everything bad that goes against the Braves ends up killing them. What is the deal with an inability to hold leads?
IlliniBrave
June 19th, 2012
8:34 pm
That was strike three right there.
BravesfaninAugusta
June 19th, 2012
8:34 pm
Not a coincidence that Braves losing with the old man in the lineup
2K91
June 19th, 2012
8:34 pm
Chipper looked old on that one.
phoenix
June 19th, 2012
8:34 pm
Tim Hudson: your go-to, momentum-riding stopper.
tired of the Atl
June 19th, 2012
8:34 pm
Enter your comments here
2011 again?
June 19th, 2012
8:35 pm
Chipper please just GO AWAY!!!
cabravesfan
June 19th, 2012
8:35 pm
Ummm….
MIBravesFan
June 19th, 2012
8:35 pm
Where was that pitch?!!
TheOnlyBravesFan
June 19th, 2012
8:35 pm
Whoa Huddy and Mac, gotta wait for the ump to call it first.
Though that call was shi*
MFin04
June 19th, 2012
8:35 pm
Bull crap. That was a strike.
ncbravesfan90
June 19th, 2012
8:35 pm
Is that Ump Jeter’s cousin?
Lil' Barry Bailout
June 19th, 2012
8:35 pm
Chipper is semi-retired…you can’t expect him to make every play.
Efrim
June 19th, 2012
8:35 pm
Wow. That was a strike.
IlliniBrave
June 19th, 2012
8:35 pm
Huddy not getting any of the close calls. Even the Yankees announcers are siding with Hudson.
B_F 54
June 19th, 2012
8:35 pm
Blue is not good
ChattTownBrian
June 19th, 2012
8:35 pm
Errors, errors, erros … bad umps
Tomahawk Mafia
June 19th, 2012
8:36 pm
The wheels will fall off and be nowhere to be found in a matter of a few pitches to Granderson.
tmc
June 19th, 2012
8:36 pm
that was
U
G
L
Y
c’mon Chip. you’re supposed to be a leader…
we need you to make a play not butcher one.
MFin04
June 19th, 2012
8:36 pm
Shoulda walked Jeter to begin with, but whatever.
Bobby's Cox
June 19th, 2012
8:36 pm
That was inside. Nice call by the ump. Mac set up inside.
bravesgrl4life
June 19th, 2012
8:36 pm
As much as I hate to say it, if Chipper is going to play like that, he needs to go ahead and retire. That was just bad.
And Huddy’s getting robbed on balls and strikes.
tired of the Atl
June 19th, 2012
8:36 pm
sorry for the blank post….nice to see the Braves hold onto that lead!
phoenix
June 19th, 2012
8:36 pm
Dear Chipper: Please retire. It’s time for you, and the Braves to move on.
Mr. Wednesday
June 19th, 2012
8:36 pm
New York is Jeter’s town, if he doesn’t swing it’s a ball darnit
BravesfaninAugusta
June 19th, 2012
8:36 pm
McCann sets up too far off the plate
Disgusted
June 19th, 2012
8:36 pm
They need to lift Hudson pretty soon, not good enough tonight.
He has not had much help from the defense and another loss for tonight.
Falling Closer To .500
June 19th, 2012
8:36 pm
Someone look it up! Quick! How many times have the Braves gone 3-2 on Jeter in the last two series? At 3-2, he either gets a hit or walks.
Crazy stuff.
David O'Brien
June 19th, 2012
8:36 pm
Braves notes: Uggla lengthens All-Star lead; rainout rescheduled
http://blogs.ajc.com/atlanta-braves-blog/2012/06/19/uggla-lengthens-all-star-lead-braves-nats-rainout-rescheduled/
2K91
June 19th, 2012
8:36 pm
Jeter should have kissed the ump after that call – and the ump should have kissed Huddy!
Disgusted
June 19th, 2012
8:37 pm
MLB needs better umpires.
Brava
June 19th, 2012
8:37 pm
Whew!
Efrim
June 19th, 2012
8:37 pm
Just give us 5 innings, Tim. Hopefully the pen is up to it.
ncbravesfan90
June 19th, 2012
8:37 pm
I see why the Yankees payroll is so high now, a portion of that goes to the blue’s.
B_F 54
June 19th, 2012
8:37 pm
Way to hang tough Huddy
MIBravesFan
June 19th, 2012
8:37 pm
Good job under the circumstances by Tim.
MFin04
June 19th, 2012
8:37 pm
Still winnable. Gonna need a miracle from the bullpen tonight…can Kimbrel go 5 innings?
TBbravesfan
June 19th, 2012
8:37 pm
can we ever just get ahead and stay ahead?
TheOnlyBravesFan
June 19th, 2012
8:37 pm
Once again, the umps show us why their union sucks, and why we need replay.
Fire umpires!!!!!
Disgusted
June 19th, 2012
8:38 pm
After tommorrow nite — NO MORE YANKEES . Thank God. I would hate to be in the AL East, you almost never have a chance to win.
Bobby's Cox
June 19th, 2012
8:38 pm
That inning:
1 Run
0 Hits
4 Base runners
Ouch.
CaptMudd
June 19th, 2012
8:38 pm
Jason is a smart kid…..just overly aggressive on the paths. Huddy is not giving up–he will fight, that’s why I love the guy. That inning should give us at least a faint good feeling, c’mon guys let’s go now.
ChattTownBrian
June 19th, 2012
8:38 pm
I’d pull Freddie to the side if I’m Hudson. Thats two fold though since FF has saved his pitchers and IF with his glove. Still though, I have a feeling young Freddie needs to toughen up a bit.
tmc
June 19th, 2012
8:39 pm
5 outs that inning…
Chipper w/ an extra.
and the ump w/ an extra.
can’t believe the NYY didn’t score more there.
tommykk
June 19th, 2012
8:39 pm
Why do people have to automatically blame Chipper’s error on being 40..sheesh..he did get a double and rbi and if it weren’t for snitker/Heyward the Braves would still be up.
Don’t blame Chipper for not scoring on Heyward’s boneheaded play
Tomahawk Mafia
June 19th, 2012
8:39 pm
That downfall started with a seemingly harmless error and snowballed into a stressful inning for Hudson. He luckily escaped it, but the Braves already have their 3 runs so they will pack up their offense for the night.
IlliniBrave
June 19th, 2012
8:39 pm
Medlen/Martinez/Durbin/Varvaro better be ready to go.
Disgusted
June 19th, 2012
8:39 pm
TBbraves fan — The answer to that question is a cold unemotional NO.
ijonathan
June 19th, 2012
8:39 pm
At what point does Chipper become too embarrassed to continue the retirement tour?
ncbravesfan90
June 19th, 2012
8:39 pm
Take a look down at Gwinnett tonight: Buddy Carlyle took over in the second inning after JJ pitched is 1 inning tune up. Buddy has thrown 4 innings 2 hits 0 runs 1 walk and 7 k’s…his era is down to 2.11 now….
Falling Closer To .500
June 19th, 2012
8:40 pm
Chipper has the reflexes of a 45 year old. But we have to accept the inevitable. If the Braves managment has a chance to win with another option at 3rd or play Chipper knowing he doesn’t have it, they will continue running Chipper out at 3rd base……. whenever Chipper feels like he wants to play.
It’s more important to give Chipper his gold watch than it is to actually try to win, huh?
IlliniBrave
June 19th, 2012
8:40 pm
Heyward’s baserunning blunder not such a harnless youthful mistake now.
cabravesfan
June 19th, 2012
8:40 pm
Chipper is not going to retire in the middle of the season. Please stop “demanding” he do so…
tommykk
June 19th, 2012
8:40 pm
I’m embarrassed to be a Brave’s fan tonight..with you people..your disrespect for Chipper is an absolute embarassment
Disgusted
June 19th, 2012
8:40 pm
Poor Kimbrell is not going to get any more save opportunites the rest of the yr the way things are going.
phoenix
June 19th, 2012
8:41 pm
If Uggla is an all-star 2nd baseman, that’s a sad commentary about NL 2nd basemen.
bp
June 19th, 2012
8:41 pm
Nice AB by Shrek.
SOS Braves
June 19th, 2012
8:41 pm
Braves keep finding ways to tear up a steel ball just when you think there could not be any other.
Tomahawk Mafia
June 19th, 2012
8:41 pm
Hinske swung at two pitches out of the zone. A Yankees’ batter would have walked on four pitches n that plate appearance.
tired of the Atl
June 19th, 2012
8:42 pm
Isn’t hitting the DH 9th defeating the purpose of a DH?
Hmmmm
June 19th, 2012
8:42 pm
ski’s next out will have him batting below .200
ijonathan
June 19th, 2012
8:42 pm
cabravesfan…it wouldn’t be as obvious as that, c’mon. It would be an injury-related thing. You know, like every time I protect my leg on a hard grounder I tweak my oblique. So I gotta hang ‘em up.
Disgusted
June 19th, 2012
8:42 pm
tmmykk — Chumpper is not playing well and that is a fact. Its not a matter of disrespect its all the bottom line where he is not helping them win as of late. Both at bat and in the field.
He is not the only one.
No personal disrespect, just disrespect for losing and losing should not be treated with respect.
Falling Closer To .500
June 19th, 2012
8:43 pm
“Why do people have to automatically blame Chipper’s error on being 40..sheesh..he did get a double and rbi and if it weren’t for snitker/Heyward the Braves would still be up.”
Yeah I mean when he was 30 years old, he got hit in the leg by a one hopper and lost time over it because it damn near killed him! Him being in the lineup about as often as Haley’s comet shows up has nothing to do with his age does it?
ChattTownBrian
June 19th, 2012
8:43 pm
Much as I love Chipper, I can see where people are so annoyed by him. Look at how he maunched that gum and talks out of he side of his mouth. Especially after errors like he just made. Same robotic emotion.
phoenix
June 19th, 2012
8:43 pm
You can call it disrespect if you like. But let’s be honest; it’s the hot corner. That statue of Chipper is in danger of getting seriously hurt over there. You’ve gotta have reflexes, and his are long gone. I wouldn’t want Mike Schmidt out there either. When it’s time, it’s time. And he shows it each time he makes an infrequent appearance at 3rd base.
ijonathan
June 19th, 2012
8:43 pm
tommykk…I’m sure you were on board the Jim Rice bandwagon as he was embarrassing himself his last days in Boston too, right?
Tomahawk Mafia
June 19th, 2012
8:44 pm
Braves are finished scoring, they reverted back to their impatience approaches in the 5th inning.
Disgusted
June 19th, 2012
8:44 pm
Another 1-2-3 inning — so charachteistic of the Braves offense,
This offense is offensive.
nolie
June 19th, 2012
8:44 pm
At what point does Chipper become too embarrassed to continue the retirement tour?
at about the same time you are too embarrassed to post such crap any more??
phoenix
June 19th, 2012
8:45 pm
Fredi should yank Hudson as soon as he allows a baserunner. He’s done. Having said that, it will not happen.
Falling Closer To .500
June 19th, 2012
8:45 pm
“if it weren’t for snitker/Heyward the Braves would still be up.”
I understand the Heyward rap because of his baserunning blunder, but what did Snitker do? Throw an anchor around Chipper’s waist while yelling at him, ” you’ll never make it! You’re 40 years old going on 50!”?
nolie
June 19th, 2012
8:46 pm
Chipper dad soent 15 years teaching him to stay calm, WTF do you expect?
Can Of Corn
June 19th, 2012
8:46 pm
FrHEIDI
Bobby would have battled those questionable calls. Bobby WOULD HAVE BATTLED!
But the Braves now have never make waves, everything is going to be OK FrHEIDI managing them.
ijonathan
June 19th, 2012
8:46 pm
I’m sure Chipper will hang around long enough to get those 11 rbi’s needed to become the all time rbi leader among….3rd basemen (cough…ignoring the games in LF…cough)
IlliniBrave
June 19th, 2012
8:46 pm
Thank you nolie for that rebuke. I couldn’t agree more.
Disgusted
June 19th, 2012
8:47 pm
Right now, everybody is a target for blame the way it has gone as of late.
Its not just Chipper or Heyward or anyone, everybody is a target now.
Plenty of blame and frustration especially when its the same bunch who pissed it away last September. The ATL has run out of patience fair or not.
Efrim
June 19th, 2012
8:47 pm
Danville opener tonight. 18 year old RHP Mauricio Cabrera went 4 IP, 2 hits, 1 ER, 2 BB’s and 4 K’s. Plus curveball, plus changeup, solid-average fastball. 6′2” 185 lbs with room to add more velocity, currently at 90-91mph.
ijonathan
June 19th, 2012
8:49 pm
Remeber at the start of the season when all our hitters were battling, drawing walks, extending pitch counts, etc. Now the Braves pitchers seem to be facing that in the other teams they play.
Spin It Boys!
June 19th, 2012
8:50 pm
“18 year old RHP Mauricio Cabrera went 4 IP, 2 hits, 1 ER, 2 BB’s and 4 K’s. Plus curveball, plus changeup, solid-average fastball. 6′2” 185 lbs with room to add more velocity, currently at 90-91mph”
So is this guy the next Braves “sure thing” that will turn out to be a bust?
ijonathan
June 19th, 2012
8:51 pm
Huddy is getting under his pitches…the are either riding high or fading away. Not a lot of downward action on the sinker.
ncbravesfan90
June 19th, 2012
8:51 pm
Walks, walks, walks…..geeeeez! Trust your stuff!!!
Tomahawk Mafia
June 19th, 2012
8:51 pm
Another situation where the Braves had 2 outs and nobody on base and are making it a rally for the opposing team.
B_F 54
June 19th, 2012
8:51 pm
Good job Fredi
ChattTownBrian
June 19th, 2012
8:52 pm
nolie, you talking to me?
Not sure about leaving Hudson in though. I’m worried
phoenix
June 19th, 2012
8:52 pm
This should go well. Manager Tim Hudson has decided not to change pitchers.
cabravesfan
June 19th, 2012
8:53 pm
SO who would you like to see in there from the pen?
cabravesfan
June 19th, 2012
8:54 pm
Got him! Nice Jason & Mac!
B_F 54
June 19th, 2012
8:54 pm
J Heeeeeeeeeey!!
MIBravesFan
June 19th, 2012
8:54 pm
Nice throw JHey, nice tag BMac!!
George Stein
June 19th, 2012
8:54 pm
Yeah, that Heyward sucks.
BFChris27
June 19th, 2012
8:54 pm
Heyward!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Bravefaninok
June 19th, 2012
8:54 pm
Nice throw J-Heyyyyyyyyyyyyyy
Brava
June 19th, 2012
8:54 pm
Great job Heyward and Mac!
TNScott
June 19th, 2012
8:54 pm
Great play, J-Hey!!!
ncbravesfan90
June 19th, 2012
8:54 pm
Thank you Heyward!
ijonathan
June 19th, 2012
8:54 pm
McCann with his patented “ole”! Hey, it worked.
McFann :Ô: :Ô: :ô:
June 19th, 2012
8:54 pm
OUT!!! GREAT THROW!! And very nice tag by BMac…
tired of the Atl
June 19th, 2012
8:54 pm
Heyward back to even.
phoenix
June 19th, 2012
8:54 pm
Jason Heyward just threw a baserunner out at the plate…. Satan is shivering!
CaptMudd
June 19th, 2012
8:54 pm
That was a winning play for the Bravos.
tmc
June 19th, 2012
8:54 pm
Nice defense there…
man, we needed that.
Tomahawk Mafia
June 19th, 2012
8:55 pm
Nice throw from Heyward. That would have been yet another inning that began with two quick outs and then unraveled. It is strange how often innings have unraveled for the Braves this season have achieving two outs rather quickly.
David O'Brien
June 19th, 2012
8:55 pm
Swisher singles to RF, great throw by Braves Heyward to cut down Tex at the plate. Inning over.
Heyward took great path to ball, got it while running in and threw in one smooth motion, perfect throw.
bp
June 19th, 2012
8:55 pm
I cannot believe Mac held on to that Is our luck changing?
Spin It Boys!
June 19th, 2012
8:55 pm
I love the Braves pre-game “thumb it in” question. Who is the greatest player to spend his entire career with one team? Ted Williams? Micky Mantle? Joe DiMaggio? Derrick Jeter? or Chipper Jones?
Obviously some people who post here must do the stupid pre-game poll because Chipper got 75% of the vote! lmao!
Ted Williams ain’t squat! lmao what a bunch of dumb homers!
tmc
June 19th, 2012
8:56 pm
i’ve ripped McCann a lot for bad technique…
He hung in there @ the plate that time.
Way to go B-Mac!
LAG
June 19th, 2012
8:56 pm
Meh, meaningless OF assist.
Harpie
June 19th, 2012
8:57 pm
This team is absolutely pitiful!
usnavyvolfaninva
June 19th, 2012
8:57 pm
Maybe that play was a spark that wakes up the batting order.
IlliniBrave
June 19th, 2012
8:57 pm
This team has the talent to hustle and take the extra base resulting in a run, or have a great AB that results in an RBI double, or a wicked throw from the outfield to nail the runner at the plate. But then those same players bobble the ball or make a baserunning blunder. Inconsistency that is frustrating.
MIBravesFan
June 19th, 2012
8:57 pm
Nice leadoff double, BMac!!
cabravesfan
June 19th, 2012
8:57 pm
And Mac comes back with a lead off double
Tomahawk Mafia
June 19th, 2012
8:57 pm
McCann better score in this inning.
McFann :Ô: :Ô: :ô:
June 19th, 2012
8:57 pm
Double!!
Brava
June 19th, 2012
8:58 pm
BMac!!!!!!!!
B_F 54
June 19th, 2012
8:58 pm
B Mc two bagger
tiger297
June 19th, 2012
8:58 pm
que macfan
Spin It Boys!
June 19th, 2012
8:58 pm
Take a poll! Will the Braves score or leave him stranded?
2K91
June 19th, 2012
8:58 pm
A little ABC baseball should give us the lead.
B_F 54
June 19th, 2012
8:58 pm
uggla needs a longer bigger bat
tiger297
June 19th, 2012
8:59 pm
oh danny missed his pitch there…
Jerry
June 19th, 2012
8:59 pm
Goodie goodie. Got in just in time to watch our allstar second sacker. If I’m to believe you apologists, he is so damn good that he’ll probably hit a two-run dinger right here.
IlliniBrave
June 19th, 2012
8:59 pm
B-Mac showing why many still consider him the best hitting catcher in the NL.
But now the announcers are saying, “the good news is you have Uggla at the plate” OUCH!
tired of the Atl
June 19th, 2012
8:59 pm
WAR!…Uhh, good gawd y’all, what is is good for? Absolutely nuthin’! Say it again, now.
cabravesfan
June 19th, 2012
8:59 pm
So sometimes that pitch is a strike and sometimes it’s not…huh…
Spin It Boys!
June 19th, 2012
8:59 pm
One down. Mac still standing at second
IlliniBrave
June 19th, 2012
8:59 pm
Uggs is just totally clueless tonight. Totally clueless. Couldn’t even get a bat on the ball to move the runner over. WOW.
Tomahawk Mafia
June 19th, 2012
9:00 pm
Does Dan Uggla ever do anything fundamentally correct for the Braves at the plate? My goodness his futility in situations were he can move a runner over is awful.
Spin It Boys!
June 19th, 2012
9:00 pm
2 outs, Mac at third. So I asked, will he be stranded?
phoenix
June 19th, 2012
9:00 pm
If Uggla is elected to the All-Star game, he should respectfully bow out. He should issue a statement saying “Seriously, America? Have you seen me play?”
Jay Dubu
June 19th, 2012
9:00 pm
Uggs having a rough night at the plate. Has 3 K’s already. : – }
IlliniBrave
June 19th, 2012
9:00 pm
A grounder to second by Uggs might have led to a run scored there.
Waffle House or Bust
June 19th, 2012
9:00 pm
UGGLA IS A MAJOR BUST.
Another horrible signing by Wren. How much longer is this guy going to screw up Braves baseball?
B_F 54
June 19th, 2012
9:00 pm
Come on Hoss
Bravefaninok
June 19th, 2012
9:01 pm
IlliniBrave
June 19th, 2012
8:57 pm
This team has the talent to hustle and take the extra base resulting in a run, or have a great AB that results in an RBI double, or a wicked throw from the outfield to nail the runner at the plate. But then those same players bobble the ball or make a baserunning blunder. Inconsistency that is frustrating.
22 yr olds playing in the big leagues make mistakes,the talent shines through but the kids are learning on the job.
IlliniBrave
June 19th, 2012
9:01 pm
pheonix: now that’s funny right there!
Larry Flint
June 19th, 2012
9:01 pm
:-}
ijonathan
June 19th, 2012
9:01 pm
McCann rarely hits deep fly balls to left center, except in a park with a death valley apparently.
Hmmmm
June 19th, 2012
9:01 pm
Uggla 3 Ks tonight bring his total to 78 and ties Rickie Weeks for the NL lead
Jerry
June 19th, 2012
9:01 pm
What? So it ain’t so Braves fans. Dan Uggla has struck out 3 times tonight already? How the hell is that possible with his talent? I mean, he’s hitting .248. Ain’t that supposed to be great for an all star? Oh woe is me!
CaptMudd
June 19th, 2012
9:02 pm
Uggla….get with it….his OBP is up but we need a solid base knock there–just get run home; but I just think he is looking to drive one—like Mantle used to—when he didn’t wiff likewise.
Spin It Boys!
June 19th, 2012
9:03 pm
C’mon show your faith! Will Mac be stranded or not? Be Brave! Answer the question!
Bat Masterson
June 19th, 2012
9:03 pm
Jason Heyward just threw a baserunner out at the plate…. Satan is shivering!
That’s two I’m sure of and he would have had another if Ross had not whiffed the throw.
George Stein
June 19th, 2012
9:03 pm
Yep. Heyward is terrible.
MIBravesFan
June 19th, 2012
9:04 pm
Way to go, JHey!!!!!!
BFChris27
June 19th, 2012
9:04 pm
That will work!!!!!!!!
Hope Tex is OK.
phoenix
June 19th, 2012
9:04 pm
Who the heck is voting for Uggla in the All-Star balloting? American League fans wanting home field advantage?
The A Bomb
June 19th, 2012
9:04 pm
If that wasn’t McCovey-esque, nothing else will be.
Bravefaninok
June 19th, 2012
9:04 pm
J-Hey scalded that ball.
B_F 54
June 19th, 2012
9:04 pm
Thats J Hey power there’s a bruise for tex
cabravesfan
June 19th, 2012
9:04 pm
Dan Uggla leads all NL 2nd basemen in:
Runs
Home Runs
Walks
OBP
OPS
Most pitches seen (total)
And he’s 2nd in RBI
ncbravesfan90
June 19th, 2012
9:04 pm
As soon as Teixeira stood up reading his lips he said “Oh my God”
McFann :Ô: :Ô: :ô:
June 19th, 2012
9:04 pm
Waytago, Jason!…
Waffle House or Bust
June 19th, 2012
9:05 pm
Notice Tex staying in? Chipper would be on his way to getting cut. Tell ya dude likes the knife.
Spin It Boys!
June 19th, 2012
9:05 pm
Shame on you! You had the opportunity to support your team yet you wouldn’t commit to them scoring! lol
tired of the Atl
June 19th, 2012
9:05 pm
Credit to Heyward, The Yankees pitcher is serving it right where he likes it and he’s not missing. The pitcher must not read scouting reports.
ijonathan
June 19th, 2012
9:05 pm
Are first and third basement going to start wearing shin guards in the field?
LAG
June 19th, 2012
9:05 pm
phoenix – Voters who like HR, RBI, and OPS, I guess.
tiger297
June 19th, 2012
9:05 pm
go opo kid
TNScott
June 19th, 2012
9:06 pm
Somebody put that ball on the grill because it was smoked.
ijonathan
June 19th, 2012
9:06 pm
Is Simmons really Yunel 2.0?
Waffle House or Bust
June 19th, 2012
9:06 pm
cabravesfan – NL 2nd basemen must really suck if worse than Uggla. Personal stats mean squat to me. He has hurt the team more than help them. Remember this is about a TEAM not personal stats.
phoenix
June 19th, 2012
9:07 pm
LAG: and strikeouts. Since he leads the league.
tired of the Atl
June 19th, 2012
9:07 pm
OK, when Simmons came up he had a smooth stroke. Now he looks like he’s trying to hit the ball a mile. WTF Greg Walker, this isn’t weekend beer league softball. Teach bat control and situational hitting for Fsake.
Brava
June 19th, 2012
9:07 pm
I’m voting for Uggla in the ASG, pheonix. Me and a couple million plus other people.
ncbravesfan90
June 19th, 2012
9:07 pm
All offspeed pitches to Simmons in that at bat.
Spin It Boys!
June 19th, 2012
9:08 pm
“Is Simmons really Yunel 2.0?”
Nope. Simmons acts like has some common sense.
David O'Brien
June 19th, 2012
9:08 pm
Uggla now 1-for-19 with 9 K’s in past 6 games…
Big night for Heyward. Braves up 4-3 after his 2-out RBI hit. Durbin in to pitch for ATL.
Tomahawk Mafia
June 19th, 2012
9:08 pm
I wonder how the Yankees will battle back and take the lead in the 6th inning like they always do against the Braves.
ChattTownBrian
June 19th, 2012
9:09 pm
Teixeira The Robot will need to re-program his circuits after that baseball off the foot. Requires a circuit chip only Yankees personal have.
Efrim
June 19th, 2012
9:09 pm
jimshonerdBA Dylan Bundy comes in 95-98 and blows away George Springer and Miles Head. #Orioles
Special.
phoenix
June 19th, 2012
9:10 pm
My bad. Uggla may also be getting All-Star votes for his defense. Dan “Just out of the reach of” Uggla. Or Dan “wide throw to first by” Uggla. Without Freeman at first base, Uggla would have 25 errors by now.
LAG
June 19th, 2012
9:10 pm
Melky Cabrera leading ASG voting?
THAT is a sign of the Apocalypse.
Spin It Boys!
June 19th, 2012
9:10 pm
Chipper second in the ASG voting at 3rd? That’s what you call a sympathy vote.
2K91
June 19th, 2012
9:12 pm
That run belongs to Huddy who gutted it out.
I keep waiting for someone to say Tex looked “old” on that one!
Jerry
June 19th, 2012
9:13 pm
And those other NL second basemen would look a lot better with Bourn and Prado to drive in. And I’ll tell you another stat you obviously was lax in posting and that is that he is leading the whole NL world in strike outs.
ncbravesfan90
June 19th, 2012
9:14 pm
Wow great inning, Durbin!!
MIBravesFan
June 19th, 2012
9:14 pm
Well done, Chad!
Tomahawk Mafia
June 19th, 2012
9:14 pm
Chad Durbin looked really good that inning.
tiger297
June 19th, 2012
9:14 pm
hell yeah durbin…
LAG
June 19th, 2012
9:14 pm
Spin It Boys! – Chipper second in the ASG voting at 3rd? That’s what you call a sympathy vote.
That’s a “respect the great player who’s retiring” vote. Cal Ripken’s numbers were way worse than Chipper’s in ‘01, yet he started the ASG.
kevkat
June 19th, 2012
9:14 pm
The Durbinator!!
ChattTownBrian
June 19th, 2012
9:14 pm
Wooooooooo Weeeeeee that Durbin sawed Jeter off likea mother fu**er!
Bravefaninok
June 19th, 2012
9:14 pm
Durbinator!!
Brava
June 19th, 2012
9:15 pm
WTG Durbinator.
Spin It Boys!
June 19th, 2012
9:15 pm
“I keep waiting for someone to say Tex looked “old” on that one”
When Tex misses a month because he took that one off the foot, we will say “he looked old on that one”…. like someone else we know.
B_F 54
June 19th, 2012
9:15 pm
I voted for all the Braves 25 times but I’m a blind homer
TNScott
June 19th, 2012
9:16 pm
Good to see no hanging chads that inning.
cabravesfan
June 19th, 2012
9:16 pm
I’ll tell you another stat you obviously was lax in posting and that is that he is leading the whole NL world in strike outs.
Actually, he’s not. If you count tonight, he’s one behind Rickie Weeks…
LAG
June 19th, 2012
9:16 pm
Jerry – Actually, the NL leader in SO is Rickie Weeks (coming into tonight). Second is Danny Espinosa. Both are 2B.
Tomahawk Mafia
June 19th, 2012
9:17 pm
Hinske really sucks.
kevkat
June 19th, 2012
9:17 pm
What a waste..
CaptMudd
June 19th, 2012
9:17 pm
Your DH…..oh my God…..that was fast
TNScott
June 19th, 2012
9:17 pm
Ski, why don’t you try punting it next time.
2K91
June 19th, 2012
9:18 pm
I may have to stop calling Durbin “Gas Can”!
Spin It Boys!
June 19th, 2012
9:18 pm
Forget Chipper making miscues that could cost his team runs. If you actually LOVE Chipper, you should hope he doesn’t get killed at the hot corner! He’s old. His reflexes aren’t what they used to be. If he takes one off the head because he can’t react quickly enough, he could die!
tiger297
June 19th, 2012
9:18 pm
7 pitches we want chad back in the 7th?
Hmmmm
June 19th, 2012
9:18 pm
and there it is, Hinske hitting .198 now
cabravesfan
June 19th, 2012
9:19 pm
tiger-
I don’t see why not
Tomahawk Mafia
June 19th, 2012
9:20 pm
More weak at bats for the Braves in the 7th. I really wish they would grind out at bats and work the count like they once were capable of doing. It just feels like a matter of time before the Yankees regain the lead and waltz to a victory.
tiger297
June 19th, 2012
9:21 pm
cab – especially since with that 4 minute top of the 7th for the braves…hell he might not even need any warm up pitches
ncbravesfan90
June 19th, 2012
9:22 pm
“7 pitches we want chad back in the 7th?”
Two lefties coming up in the 7th.
cricket
June 19th, 2012
9:22 pm
Durbin – 7 pitches, doesn’t come back. don’t like this move.
Brava
June 19th, 2012
9:23 pm
Gas Can Jonny.
cricket
June 19th, 2012
9:23 pm
true about 2 lefties but the way Durbin and Venters are going, woulda still prefer Durbin to come back
cabravesfan
June 19th, 2012
9:23 pm
Two lefties coming up in the 7th.
Good point…hadn’t realized that
Tomahawk Mafia
June 19th, 2012
9:23 pm
Here we go with Venters and his struggles.
bp
June 19th, 2012
9:23 pm
Here comes gas can.
Jerry
June 19th, 2012
9:23 pm
Lag,
I believe that with those 3 strike outs tonight, Uggla is tied with Weeks.
Brava
June 19th, 2012
9:25 pm
Me too, cricket.
tiger297
June 19th, 2012
9:25 pm
i was kinda leaning towards nc’s point about the lefties…
cabravesfan
June 19th, 2012
9:25 pm
Jerry-
Weeks has a strike out already, as does Hart, so Uggla (at last check) would be tied for 2nd
tiger297
June 19th, 2012
9:25 pm
cant watch…wait I’m not watching
Brava
June 19th, 2012
9:26 pm
I’ve seen this movie.
Hmmmm
June 19th, 2012
9:26 pm
maybe Venters doesn’t want the Yankees to lose against the Braves …. first last week and now big trouble again this week
ChattTownBrian
June 19th, 2012
9:26 pm
Venters just sucks. Plain and simple. Even last year as great as he was I never felt comfortable with him pitching.
ncbravesfan90
June 19th, 2012
9:26 pm
Fredi still hasn’t realized Venters is struggling this season? Can’t really bring him in with just a one run lead this year so far, just hasn’t been reliable and have pinpoint control.
TNScott
June 19th, 2012
9:27 pm
They’ve figured Venters out. Wait till he throws a called strike before you swing.
kevkat
June 19th, 2012
9:27 pm
ncbravesfan90
June 19th, 2012
9:26 pm
Fredi still hasn’t realized Venters is struggling this season? Can’t really bring him in with just a one run lead this year so far, just hasn’t been reliable and have pinpoint control.
Agreed
Jerry
June 19th, 2012
9:27 pm
Major fail coming for Venters.
Brava
June 19th, 2012
9:28 pm
My God, take him out. He’s awful.
cricket
June 19th, 2012
9:28 pm
no one is swinging at Venter’s sinker
tmc
June 19th, 2012
9:28 pm
THROW F’ING STRIKES!
you play right into the NYY hands by not
tiger297
June 19th, 2012
9:28 pm
im betting folks figured out his release point…nobody is offering at the ones in the dirt but hammering the ones up
ChattTownBrian
June 19th, 2012
9:29 pm
We need a dominant pen arm, Venters was just a fluke
LAG
June 19th, 2012
9:29 pm
AND… Weeks is currently batting a good robust .182.
In other words, he’s having a year like Uggla’s 2011 campaign.
Jerry
June 19th, 2012
9:29 pm
I’m sorry cab. Then by all means, Uggla deserves to play in the all star game with his great numbers. I stand corrected.
One Big Dummy
June 19th, 2012
9:29 pm
We need to be playing this like the 7th game of the World Series because we’re having such a hard time scoring runs, but Fredi moves the infield back?!
tiger297
June 19th, 2012
9:30 pm
hasnt venters had 3-4 shut down outings in a row?
cabravesfan
June 19th, 2012
9:30 pm
Jerry-
Apparently the only number you care about is strike outs. You seem to be ignoring the rest of his stats…
LAG
June 19th, 2012
9:31 pm
Good play, Hoss. Smart play.
cabravesfan
June 19th, 2012
9:31 pm
Nice play
B_F 54
June 19th, 2012
9:31 pm
hoss good un
Brava
June 19th, 2012
9:31 pm
Nice! WTG Chipper.
McFann :Ô: :Ô: :ô:
June 19th, 2012
9:31 pm
Heehee! Another out at home!
ChattTownBrian
June 19th, 2012
9:31 pm
Both and Heyward and CJ make up for their blunders. Great play and throw old man!
MIBravesFan
June 19th, 2012
9:31 pm
Nice play, Chipper!
ncbravesfan90
June 19th, 2012
9:31 pm
Throw beat you that bad, you are out.
tmc
June 19th, 2012
9:31 pm
Yes, that’s what we need Chipper!
Nice play.
CaptMudd
June 19th, 2012
9:32 pm
Nice Chipper…..He still is capable of making the majority of plays defensively at 3rd….not a push over at 40.
Efrim
June 19th, 2012
9:32 pm
Nice job by Chipper. Tough hop.
2K91
June 19th, 2012
9:32 pm
Chipper looked like a “Wiley Veteran” on that play!
usnavyvolfaninva
June 19th, 2012
9:32 pm
Granderson cut down at the plate! Nice play!
MIBravesFan
June 19th, 2012
9:33 pm
Whew Jonny!!
One Big Dummy
June 19th, 2012
9:33 pm
I take back what I said… LOL
cabravesfan
June 19th, 2012
9:33 pm
It ain’t always pretty but I’ll take it
Efrim
June 19th, 2012
9:33 pm
Whew. Let’s get some insurance runs.
Tomahawk Mafia
June 19th, 2012
9:33 pm
That was sweet to escape that inning with the lead.
LAG
June 19th, 2012
9:33 pm
Anyway, we had this discussion about Uggla a few nights ago. It’s pointless to pursue it again. I’ll sum it up like this:
“Jerry is to Dan Uggla as ChrisfromSacramento,CA is to Jason Heyward.”
tiger297
June 19th, 2012
9:33 pm
DFA venters he sucks
Jerry
June 19th, 2012
9:33 pm
Venters found that elusive rabbits foot he lost from last year.
CaptMudd
June 19th, 2012
9:33 pm
Smoke [finally] coming out the Venters.
usnavyvolfaninva
June 19th, 2012
9:33 pm
Hey, Jerry, how bout that major fail by Ventors?
kevkat
June 19th, 2012
9:34 pm
The Venternator! Damn, even that sounds shakey
Brava
June 19th, 2012
9:34 pm
WTG Jonny. You shoudn’t have been out there, but it worked out.
B_F 54
June 19th, 2012
9:34 pm
Johnny ventanator never a doubt : smiley :
usnavyvolfaninva
June 19th, 2012
9:34 pm
I’m so glad Chipper doesn’t read the crap posted on this blog.
Thanks Victorino!
June 19th, 2012
9:35 pm
Mac still won’t make contact and block a guy off the plate. Thanks Victorino! lol
Thanks Victorino!
June 19th, 2012
9:35 pm
Mac still won’t make contact and block a guy off the plate. Thanks Victorino! lol
cricket
June 19th, 2012
9:36 pm
“Jerry is to Dan Uggla as ChrisfromSacramento,CA is to Jason Heyward.”
keeping Lou’s memory alive
Brava
June 19th, 2012
9:36 pm
Chip thought that was terrific? Maybe if you’re a masochist.
Jerry
June 19th, 2012
9:36 pm
I’m not ignoring that .248 batting average that keeps getting lower by the day.
Ralph
June 19th, 2012
9:37 pm
The luckiest guy in the world right now has to be Fredi Gonzalez, if Vnters gave up a couple of runs there he would have been on a bus back to Miami.
CaptMudd
June 19th, 2012
9:38 pm
Scotland Yard will investigate any “fat” commentary regarding McCann
Spin It Boys!
June 19th, 2012
9:38 pm
Yeah I agree! I hope Chipper felt so good after making a decent play that he plays until he’s 80! That would suit lots of people here! lmao
Dr. John Zoydberg
June 19th, 2012
9:39 pm
And uggla swings at the first pitch. What happened to our plate discipline?
George Stein
June 19th, 2012
9:40 pm
He has a .380 OBP, Jerry. Uggla is just fine.
Jerry
June 19th, 2012
9:40 pm
In the NL, there are 64 or so players that are hitting better than Uggla. Yep, that screams all star to me.
Hmmmm
June 19th, 2012
9:41 pm
dang, 4 in a row for Baltimore either shutting out (the Braves x2) or being shutout (Met x2)
CaptMudd
June 19th, 2012
9:41 pm
Any pitcher. anytime….apparently Dan just doesn’t have it tonight
Jerry
June 19th, 2012
9:42 pm
Well shyt, Uggla just keeps getting better and better with every whiff of his bat. Is he leading the league now?
George Stein
June 19th, 2012
9:42 pm
Hate for Freddie to take the first pitch.
LAG
June 19th, 2012
9:42 pm
Yes, Dan Uggla is mired in a slump right now. No one with eyes denies that.
Maybe he could use a day off? Everyone else has had one.
cabravesfan
June 19th, 2012
9:42 pm
Jerry-
Let it go. His stats at 2nd base speak for themselves.
Waffle House or Bust
June 19th, 2012
9:42 pm
Our whole team is soft.
Spin It Boys!
June 19th, 2012
9:43 pm
Doesn’t matter how they are playing or how they are hitting, if you’re a real fan you have to vote for a Brave for every position! Reward them for sub-par play! That is how you show you are a REAL fan!
cricket
June 19th, 2012
9:43 pm
either Lou and / or this guy -
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hbURGcbQDw8
Trey
June 19th, 2012
9:43 pm
Damn, it sucks being in VA, as I can’t watch the Braves play.
Tomahawk Mafia
June 19th, 2012
9:43 pm
Freeman has no idea what he is doing at the plate: Swing at a breaking ball out of the zone on the first pitch and then watch a fastball down the middle on the second one.
tiger297
June 19th, 2012
9:43 pm
man pounding the zone on freeman…act like he can’t hit
N8
June 19th, 2012
9:44 pm
“Jurrjens could help Braves….” Reads the headline.
LOL. Sure he could….. if the goal is be in position for the #1 overall pick next year.
Other than that, I’m not so sure what Jurrjens is going to “help” with. Funny stuff at the AJC.
Love it.
Efrim
June 19th, 2012
9:44 pm
Wow, Jerry has us all fooled. Something must be wrong with, well, the entire universe.
Waffle House or Bust
June 19th, 2012
9:44 pm
cabravesfan – since you know so much about the NL 2B position, what player is right below Uggla in stats and what does he get paid?
usnavyvolfaninva
June 19th, 2012
9:44 pm
And if you’re a real fan, you don’t keep changing screen names like a coward, even though you’re already invisible behind a keyboard. Just sayin’
usnavyvolfaninva
June 19th, 2012
9:45 pm
know what you mean, Trey…especially since they’re winning tonight.
ChattTownBrian
June 19th, 2012
9:45 pm
Part of being fan is being a little crazy. It reminds me of your first love, you were a little crazy in the head.
Jerry
June 19th, 2012
9:45 pm
Tell me about it George. That’s what I want from my cleanup hitter. To be walking all the time because he just can’t hit. He doesn’t swing, he walks. He swings, he strikeouts. I have to believe his job is to drive in runs, and he is only hitting .254 with RISP. Sound like a horse to you?
Trey
June 19th, 2012
9:45 pm
cricket, I saw that video before and it makes you kinda feel for Uggla.
cabravesfan
June 19th, 2012
9:46 pm
Waffle House or Bust-
I don’t know (or care) but I’m sure you can pick a stat and look it up if you want. It’s not that hard…
usnavyvolfaninva
June 19th, 2012
9:46 pm
Trey, they are on MLB tomorrow afternoon…I think first pitch is 1pm. I won’t be able to watch, as I am giving my daughter swimming lessons.
Trey
June 19th, 2012
9:47 pm
Especially since they are winning.
I want to see the Braves beat the Yankees, as we can end their winning streak!
George Stein
June 19th, 2012
9:47 pm
I’m just fine with Uggla walking all the time, Jerry. You’re not much of a Joey Votto fan, are you?
Trey
June 19th, 2012
9:48 pm
Yeah, I won’t be able to watch it either, as I will either be finishing this garbage class or driving back to NC.
Venice Jim
June 19th, 2012
9:48 pm
Waffles are incredibly soft…
Brava
June 19th, 2012
9:48 pm
Whew! Scary.
Trey
June 19th, 2012
9:48 pm
At least you will get to spend some time with your family.
cabravesfan
June 19th, 2012
9:49 pm
I do know that Brandon Phillips is making $12 million this year and Chase Utley, who has yet to play a game, is making $15 million.
tiger297
June 19th, 2012
9:49 pm
so whats going on at the nationals game?
LAG
June 19th, 2012
9:49 pm
Jose Altuve, Brandon Phillips, and Dan Uggla will be the NL 2B in the ASG.
Changing Names Because I Can!
June 19th, 2012
9:49 pm
Oh no! Not another, ” what is your REAL name?” contributor!
Well what is YOUR real name and what is your phone number? Where do you live? What is your SS number? Are you married? Do you have kids? Got any identifying marks or scars?
Sorry. I actually know your name don’t I? It’s usnavyvolfaninva isn’t it?
Get a life and stop living YOUR reality online! lmao
Jerry
June 19th, 2012
9:49 pm
Please George, are you really gonna compare Uggla with Votto?
usnavyvolfaninva
June 19th, 2012
9:50 pm
Yep…. I try to make the most of the time… going to the beach Thursday.
George Stein
June 19th, 2012
9:50 pm
Drive safely, Trey.
usnavyvolfaninva
June 19th, 2012
9:50 pm
Love it when people make my point for me.
Tomahawk Mafia
June 19th, 2012
9:51 pm
O’Flaherty looks pretty bad tonight.
Brava
June 19th, 2012
9:51 pm
Be safe, Trey.
TheOnlyBravesFan
June 19th, 2012
9:51 pm
6-4-3!!!!!
MIBravesFan
June 19th, 2012
9:51 pm
Nicely done on the DP!
Brava
June 19th, 2012
9:51 pm
Perfecto DP!!
Trey
June 19th, 2012
9:51 pm
Chill out, “Changing Names Because I Can”, no one cares what your moniker is, but changing it just to try and “prove a point”, is pretty ludicrous.
Ralph
June 19th, 2012
9:51 pm
JJ pitched 1 ining toight no runs no hits but issued 2 BB
Nick
June 19th, 2012
9:51 pm
Yeah, not too sure what your screen name has to do with whether your a true Braves fan. What’s the correlation?
ChattTownBrian
June 19th, 2012
9:52 pm
I will say about Uggla that he stays in there like nobody else on a DP. Not necessarily there, but just sayin.
B_F 54
June 19th, 2012
9:52 pm
An all-starean double play fo sho
cricket
June 19th, 2012
9:52 pm
grandfather of all -ve nannies shows up and since braves are leading so far, goes and finds another perfectly logical headline to crib about..
hope Craig is not rusty
Hmmmm
June 19th, 2012
9:52 pm
need an add on run offense, even with Kimbrel pitching you’d hate to trust your luck to 1 run considering how things have been going recently
Tomahawk Mafia
June 19th, 2012
9:52 pm
…except for when he induces double plays from Russell Martin.
George Stein
June 19th, 2012
9:52 pm
You don’t seem to value getting on base, Jerry. However, if you want to judge a player on how many runs he has driven in, it’s worth pointing out Votto has driven in 46, while Uggla has driven in 41.
CaptMudd
June 19th, 2012
9:52 pm
Leave the lady alone Waffle….no need to get her upset over such trivial subject matter—this is not a middle school P.E. class.
TheOnlyBravesFan
June 19th, 2012
9:52 pm
Uggla is great on those turns. Infante can’t do that
N8
June 19th, 2012
9:53 pm
What the hell does Joey Votto (and his .366/.488/.664/1.152 slash line) have to do with Dan Uggla and his .247/.375/.444/.818 slash line)?
With the way Bourn and Prado have been on base, if Uggla was as good as Votto at getting hits (Votto has 85, Uggla has 59), Uggla would have 70 RBI already.
Mentioning Votto and Uggla in the same sentence is an insult to Joey Votto’s ability as a hitter.
BFChris27
June 19th, 2012
9:53 pm
tiger
Rays leading bot 8th, 5-4.
usnavyvolfaninva
June 19th, 2012
9:53 pm
Nice to see someone else ground into DPs for a change.
Trey
June 19th, 2012
9:54 pm
Thank you George and Brava, it’ll be a fun drive, since I get a little more time with the rent a car, before going back to mine.
cricket
June 19th, 2012
9:55 pm
working from home tom. hope to get my cable fixed before the game and off course hope for a win
TheOnlyBravesFan
June 19th, 2012
9:55 pm
J pitched 1 ining toight no runs no hits but issued 2 BB
Not good. Cab’s “friend” JJ isn’t inspiring any confidence in me….
hope Craig is not rusty
haha
Brava
June 19th, 2012
9:55 pm
Chipper with the patient AB.
Tomahawk Mafia
June 19th, 2012
9:56 pm
I hate all these uncompetitive outs made early in the count.
George Stein
June 19th, 2012
9:56 pm
That was not the point N8.
Jerry
June 19th, 2012
9:56 pm
For all you Uggla apologists, think about his making the all star team like this. Every team has to be represented. If Uggla makes it, then it is entirely possible that Prado and/or Bourn doesn’t get selected. Doesn’t mean they won’t get to go, but every year there are notable worthy players that don’t go and players that do go that don’t deserve it. I think Uggla would cause either outfielder to not be selected as a lone representative.
cabravesfan
June 19th, 2012
9:57 pm
Cab’s “friend” JJ isn’t inspiring any confidence in me….
Ummm…what?
usnavyvolfaninva
June 19th, 2012
9:57 pm
OKC leading Miami 43-40 with just under 4 min in 1st Half, in case anyone’s interested.
cricket
June 19th, 2012
9:57 pm
Votto and Uggla. sentence complete.
tiger297
June 19th, 2012
9:57 pm
i think davey johnson asked the ump to check peralta’s glove and after checking the ump tossed peralta
B_F 54
June 19th, 2012
9:57 pm
andreeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee
MIBravesFan
June 19th, 2012
9:57 pm
Nice hit, kid!
BFChris27
June 19th, 2012
9:58 pm
Simmons!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
tmc
June 19th, 2012
9:58 pm
when was the last hit by the Braves?
seems like a loooong time ago…
(as simmons singles to right) lol
Hugo Z Hackenbush
June 19th, 2012
9:58 pm
N8 crawls out from under his rock just in time to completely miss the point about the Votto mention…
tiger297
June 19th, 2012
9:59 pm
come on ski
cricket
June 19th, 2012
9:59 pm
if OKC loses, it is clearly Uggla’s fault. if MIA loses, it’s on Fredi.
cabravesfan
June 19th, 2012
9:59 pm
Jerry-
So again, the fact that Uggla leads all NL 2nd basemen in most of the relevant categories is meaningless?
Brava
June 19th, 2012
9:59 pm
Kimmeh Time!
Efrim
June 19th, 2012
9:59 pm
David Robertson is good. Yankees have a very good bullpen. Most complete team in baseball, with the addition of Pettitte.
kevkat
June 19th, 2012
9:59 pm
u can count on ole Her ske
CaptMudd
June 19th, 2012
10:00 pm
Better days are coming Eric…….and maybe Kimbrel nails it here and we get one.