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Ease
June 18th, 2012
3:01 pm
Hillbilly, it was originally a SNL skit…
Efrim
June 18th, 2012
3:02 pm
If Beachy goes out for the season it might give Fredi a pass for the rest of the year
Even if he is healthy, I’d be shocked if Wren pulled the trigger and cut him loose.
CrαZy
June 18th, 2012
3:03 pm
Managers get way too much blame for failure and way too much acknowledgement for success!!!
I don’t like Fred, but the players are the one’s losing!
nolie
June 18th, 2012
3:03 pm
Whitesnake rules!!!
cricket
June 18th, 2012
3:03 pm
Fredi’s not getting any pass on this blog even if braves win WS
Ease
June 18th, 2012
3:03 pm
http://www.veoh.com/watch/v1530311wR2Z4JpK?h1=adam+sandler+lunch+lady+land
ncscoots
June 18th, 2012
3:04 pm
If Beachy goes out for the season it might give Fredi a pass for the rest of the year
Yeah, but…if Beachy’s absence causes the season to worsen so much that Fredo could get a free pass, what does that say about Frank? Pitching, pitching everywhere and nary a drop to drink? That would make the reluctance to trade pitching ever look pretty foolish.
If the team cannot bear the loss of a single pitcher, no matter his level of performance, then the evaluation of all the pitching that has been kept for depth becomes very suspect.
Coach (2012 Fredi's Beisbol Fandango)
June 18th, 2012
3:04 pm
Yankees by two touchdowns tonight….14-0.
TheOnlyBravesFan
June 18th, 2012
3:04 pm
I don’t usually like to criticize, but I do have an honest question. If Freeman is so hurt (only was able to make a fist yesterday), why can’t he be DL’ed? I don’t remember when it’ll be retroactive to, but it would be nice to have a body at first than is hitting (not Hinske) And not Prado either, cuz then Fatcisco plays 3rd. Won’t Freddie also need a rehab stint when he is ready to come back, or is he ready to go like Chipper was…
nolie
June 18th, 2012
3:04 pm
I agree Efrim, I doubt they fire him b4 his contract is up as long as they play average ball or better
phil
June 18th, 2012
3:05 pm
Dredi just doesn’t seem to inspire a lick of confidence in these guys….I could be dead wrong, as who really knows anything but them, and of course they can’t say anything until he’s axed.
What a lifeless bunch so much of the time.
I don’t know….maybe we’re great. Maybe we stink.
Tune in next time and see if we can manage to post at least one run….
nolie
June 18th, 2012
3:06 pm
if Beachy’s absence causes the season to worsen so much that Fredo could get a free pass,..scoots
didn’t mean it quite that way. whether they do ok or drop off I think he is safe with BB out
Hillbilly
June 18th, 2012
3:06 pm
Hillbilly, it was originally a SNL skit…
Yeah, seems like I vaguely remember that, but the album sticks out in my head because a friend of mine played it over and over for what seemed like a solid year.
Fatty McGee and Toll Booth Willie.—-LMAO everytime.
mountain_jim
June 18th, 2012
3:07 pm
Fredi lost that game, not Venters. Took Minor out too early, and too stubborn to pull Venters and have Kimbrell come in while the game was hanging in the balance in the 8th. And the Livan throw-away game?
Not to mention his lack of hit-and-run, lack of steals, causing balks, poor pinch-hit choices and lack of fire with the umps…
I am so off the Fredi bandwagon.
Mister Frisky
June 18th, 2012
3:08 pm
nolie,loved your Maureen O’Hara reference yesterday.Cant believe you left out Rita Hayworth.
Coach (2012 Fredi's Beisbol Fandango)
June 18th, 2012
3:08 pm
Hey, I tried to sound alarm. Told’em the bench wasn’t good enough to hold up, should the regular line up get hurt.
Our bench….the soft underbelly of this baseball team. It’s been slit wide open with the entrails exposed for all to see.
Braves Fan in Maine
June 18th, 2012
3:09 pm
Agreed phil this team doesnt seem to have a bit of fire underneath them…… show some emotion and grit….. if the braves lost but played a heck of a game and had that grit then it would make losing a little easier
Efrim
June 18th, 2012
3:10 pm
If the team cannot bear the loss of a single pitcher, no matter his level of performance, then the evaluation of all the pitching that has been kept for depth becomes very suspect.
I don’t know, scoots. We got hit pretty hard if Beachy does go down. Viz, Beachy with UCL injuries, Hanson with diminished performance due to the shoulder, Jurrjens not nearly the same pitcher. I don’t think we’ll be under .500 to finish the year, but if we lose Beachy, that’s probably the difference between us and the divison/wild card.
Dreading the trade deadline
June 18th, 2012
3:10 pm
Would the Braves receive compensatory picks for Bourne if he is traded? Based on the 2012 changes, I’m guessing not. And how about if they make him an offer, and he turns it down?
Efrim
June 18th, 2012
3:10 pm
Provided they don’t make a move to get a starter……
bobby
June 18th, 2012
3:10 pm
I wonder if Christy Mathinson ever had a sore elbow. He only won 511 games and probably pitched ever day.
phil
June 18th, 2012
3:10 pm
Coach, I know the team appreciates your attempts to set em straight….
Please keep calling that toll free number.
Coach (2012 Fredi's Beisbol Fandango)
June 18th, 2012
3:11 pm
Baseball teams tend to take on the personality of their manager…..and Fredi is way too laid back.
alex
June 18th, 2012
3:11 pm
Ouch liberty media , but the message is the same as are the implications…Where’s my rum
ncscoots
June 18th, 2012
3:11 pm
didn’t mean it quite that way
Ah. OK.
TheOnlyBravesFan
June 18th, 2012
3:11 pm
I’m not jumping onto to the Fire Fredi bandwagon yet, he hasn’t been all that bad. Has he done stuff that I disagree with, and makes me think that he’s lost? Yes. But not enough to fire him over.
cricket
June 18th, 2012
3:12 pm
Freeman’s injury was / is not supposed to take 15 days for him to be back. Braves expected him to be back very shortly and hence did not DL him, in turn leaving bench short. I remember this discussed during the game by announcers.
MFin04
June 18th, 2012
3:12 pm
“Baseball teams tend to take on the personality of their manager”
That could explain Bobby Cox’s and Brian McCann’s similar body types!
brian
June 18th, 2012
3:13 pm
nolie – no pass for Fredi. Not from the blog and I cannot imagine from Wren either
Coach (2012 Fredi's Beisbol Fandango)
June 18th, 2012
3:13 pm
phil, I’m blowing in the wind and wasting my time.
Efrim
June 18th, 2012
3:15 pm
and I cannot imagine from Wren either
Unless they finish with something like 70 wins….I can’t imagine Fredi getting fired.
Murph
June 18th, 2012
3:15 pm
Has he done stuff that I disagree with, and makes me think that he’s lost? Yes. But not enough to fire him over.
Good thing he’s a baseball manager and not a heart surgeon… or air traffic controller.
MFin04
June 18th, 2012
3:16 pm
Amazing with how well the Braves are doing in the standings and how many injuries they have had, and how cheap the ownership group is, that anyone would say crap about Fredi.
Jimmy
June 18th, 2012
3:18 pm
bobby – That would be Cy Young at 511.
And it’s not Mathinson.
And….well, why bother.
cricket
June 18th, 2012
3:18 pm
show some emotion and grit? if emotion and grit is counted by number of times F-bomb is hurled and the loudness of it, braves should be at the top of emotion and grit index. i’ve also noticed uggla, heyward, prado and Mac show plenty of anger in dugout after futile ABs. not sure how else exactly folks want the grit to manifest on a baseball field.
MFin04
June 18th, 2012
3:19 pm
Heart surgeons and air traffic controllers screw up all the time, there just aren’t many good blogs about them that I’ve been able to find.
PMC
June 18th, 2012
3:19 pm
I’m not off the bandwagon, the overall record isn’t terrible. I knew they weren’t going to be the 27 yankees or anything. What I don’t understand is why this team has such a hard time getting any consistency at all at the plate. It’s just kind of bizarre why they have so many guys slump at one time over several seasons.
We knew 90 games was going to be difficult for this linup to win prior to the season but they are still right around that pace. They are still in the playoff hunt, they just need to play better. The positive to me is if we know if they do get on a hot streak they can win games in bunches, would be nice if that would happen should they get to the playoffs.
Efrim
June 18th, 2012
3:19 pm
Amazing with how well the Braves are doing in the standings and how many injuries they have had
Aside from the Marlins(Bonifacio comes to mind), who hasn’t had injuries in the NL East?
JeanE
June 18th, 2012
3:20 pm
Hate the Damn Yankees but baseball team, but Damn Yankees the band was pretty good! Tommy Shaw, Jack Blades, Ted the Nut Nugent, they were awesome!!! I hate Mondays and the Braves do, too. Got to get over this thing, I like Matty against CC but the rest of the guys need to get it going, too. I’m talkin’ about you, Uggla! I hate interleague. Hope Chipper can get it turned about, he’s looking pretty bad since he came back. Love him but we were actually in a groove before he returned. And my peeve it people who constantly talk about next season when this one aint even over! Hope Beachy is OK…let’s go Bravos.
Murph
June 18th, 2012
3:20 pm
Unless they finish with something like 70 wins….I can’t imagine Fredi getting fired.
I dunno, I don’t get the impression that Fredi and Wren have the best relationship.
Efrim
June 18th, 2012
3:20 pm
Missed it.
Atlanta Braves @Braves
Tonight’s lineup at NYY (7:05, SPSO/680AM/BRN): Bourn 8 Prado 3 McCann DH Uggla 4 Diaz 7 Jones 5 Heyward 9 Simmons 6 Ross 2
JeanE
June 18th, 2012
3:21 pm
Sorry my typing was pretty psycho, there! Too fast for my own good.
Hillbilly
June 18th, 2012
3:21 pm
I remember seeing the Cardinal faithful wave the white flag when Wainwright went down last year.
Losing Backgammon would be a huge punch in the gut no doubt, but this is where you tend to see someone else unexpectedly up their game and make a name for themself in the absence of his predecessors. Delgado may be doing that right now.
Backgammon may very well be an example of this, too…stepping up in the absence of Jurrjens and Hanson last season.
Ease
June 18th, 2012
3:21 pm
Tonight’s lineup: Bourn 8 Prado 3 McCann DH Uggla 4 Diaz 7 Jones 5 Heyward 9 Simmons 6 Ross 2 Minor 1
Jimmy
June 18th, 2012
3:21 pm
“or is he ready to go like Chipper was”
Yeah, Chipper is really ripping the ball since coming off the DL.
Sorry, just stating the facts.
cricket
June 18th, 2012
3:22 pm
Baseball teams tend to take on the personality of their manager…..and Fredi is way too laid back.
only if braves had hired Ozzie, they would be as great as marlins
Ease
June 18th, 2012
3:23 pm
That may be the best looking lineup that I have seen in awhile…
cricket
June 18th, 2012
3:24 pm
Heart surgeons and air traffic controllers screw up all the time, there just aren’t many good blogs about them that I’ve been able to find.
well, i don’t think Heart surgeons and air traffic controllers leave any witnesses behind when they screw up
nolie
June 18th, 2012
3:24 pm
certainly not from the blog brian, but I will bet money that Fredi stays , not that I would mind seeing him gone
Bat Masterson
June 18th, 2012
3:24 pm
Bourn 8 Prado 3 McCann DH Uggla 4 Diaz 7 Jones 5 Heyward 9 Simmons 6 Ross 2
Heap DHing instead of Ross, either way no Hinske. Nailed it
brian
June 18th, 2012
3:25 pm
Chipper needs to visualize himself at Shea stadium 10 years ago
ncscoots
June 18th, 2012
3:26 pm
Baseball teams tend to take on the personality of their manager…..and Fredi is way too laid back.
If the former were true, everybody on the Braves would have been leaning on the top rail every game, throwing 24 different nicknames and exhortations at every Braves’ hitter in the box.
That this did not happen totally negates your premise.
Efrim
June 18th, 2012
3:27 pm
No issues with Fredi’s lineup tonight. Very nice.
Jimmy
June 18th, 2012
3:27 pm
I would imagine it’s not very pretty in Phillie blogland either.
Bat – Yes sir, you nearly called it.
MFin04
June 18th, 2012
3:30 pm
WHAT THE HECK IS WRONG WITH MCCANN?
Ryan
June 18th, 2012
3:30 pm
YANKS MORE RUNS THAN WE GET HITS.
MFin04
June 18th, 2012
3:31 pm
Nice to see Diaz in front of Chipper. We are facing a lefty, the Yankees, on a Monday? That has got to be some kind of game.
Jimmy
June 18th, 2012
3:31 pm
Rumor – Wren was spotted talking with Francona, in a Dinky Doughnuts, in New York this morning. And Terry dunks his doughnut.
I wonder what this can mean?
cricket
June 18th, 2012
3:32 pm
I would imagine it’s not very pretty in Phillie blogland either.
not really, most have them have made peace with lost season
least of the east
June 18th, 2012
3:32 pm
can they save money by forfeiting the 3 games and skipping the air fare and hotels ?
now that Yanks have seen Minor, it could be a problem tonight
if he throws a shutout, he may get a no decision
for $2-3 million, we can get 2 more Livian Hernandez’. that is an exciting prospect.
cricket
June 18th, 2012
3:33 pm
Terry dunks his doughnut
hawks getting new coach?
ncscoots
June 18th, 2012
3:34 pm
can they save money by forfeiting the 3 games and skipping the air fare and hotels ?
P****.
Coach (2012 Fredi's Beisbol Fandango)
June 18th, 2012
3:34 pm
brian
June 18th, 2012
3:13 pm
nolie – no pass for Fredi. Not from the blog and I cannot imagine from Wren either.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Frank Wren?
p.s. this is one fan who has lost all confidence in our GM. The man has absolutely done more harm than good so far this year.
Pastornicky over Simmons, oops. Livan Hernandez, bombed. Keeping JJ on the team out of spring training…..dumb. Then their is the bench, or lack thereof.
Simply put, Wren’s job performance thus far? It stinks.
nolie
June 18th, 2012
3:35 pm
all the comparisons to old pitchers are pretty meaningless. They used windups that garnered a lot of momentum and took straion off the arm. the abbreviated windup of today,you can barely call them that actually, do not do that so for the pitchers who do not get real good leg drive, they try to speed up the arm alone,inverted ws,cocked wrists,extreme scapula loads, etc. usually leads to timiing problems which isolate the arm even more. not a good thing
Bay Area Steve
June 18th, 2012
3:35 pm
“What is the point in picking blog fights if I can’t even make the Top 25?”
Yes, you show tremendous courage calling out a Disgusted, a stizz, a George, a Waffle House. How good you must feel to belittle such a distinguished group of denizens, all the while ignoring my repeated inquiries. Tremendous courage. Although, with my limited mind, I do wonder why your hours-later response shows courage, while my hours-later response shows none. That’s OK, I’m sure it’s my ignorance.
Hope this isn’t despicable. Your coward, Steve.
Bat Masterson
June 18th, 2012
3:36 pm
George …… Waffle House …….. Paul L, maybe Lou Vales?
http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/golf-devil-ball-golf/video-lunatic-interrupts-webb-simpson-u-open-interview-025611654–golf.html
MFin04
June 18th, 2012
3:36 pm
We could just rest everybody today by playing backups since tonight is clearly a lost cause.
Jimmy
June 18th, 2012
3:37 pm
ncscoots – “P****.”
I agree! And if you look closely, your response looks like a 1979 Pirates cap.
Venice Jim
June 18th, 2012
3:38 pm
Wow
David O'Brien
June 18th, 2012
3:40 pm
Braves lineup: Bourn 8 Prado 3 McCann DH Uggla 4 Diaz 7 Jones 5 Heyward 9 Simmons 6 Ross 2 Minor 1
McFann :Ô: :Ô: :ô:
June 18th, 2012
3:41 pm
Whyyyyy is BMac DH’ing after he just had a day off from catching??……
Bay Area Steve
June 18th, 2012
3:41 pm
“Wow”
Find the time, Jim. Find the time. Pretend I’m Waffle House, if necessary.
cricket
June 18th, 2012
3:42 pm
maybe Lou Vales?
no, Lou is more likely this douchebag based on his extreme hatred for uggla. resembles someone here? -
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hbURGcbQDw8
Proton
June 18th, 2012
3:42 pm
I’m feeling very positive that we break the Monday oh-fer with this RH’ed lineup.
nolie
June 18th, 2012
3:43 pm
whats wrong with calling those guys out, BAS?
TennesseePaul
June 18th, 2012
3:43 pm
Last 9 Starts of the Starting 9
_________AVG__OBP__SLG___OPS_wOBA_L9S9+
Bourn__ .368 .400 .474 0.874 .385 __146
Prado__ .256 .275 .282 0.557 .252 ___58
McCann_ .250 .308 .528 0.835 .333 __132
Uggla__ .120 .421 .280 0.701 .336 __102
Diaz___ .273 .314 .364 0.678 .281 ___91
Chipper .250 .314 .250 0.564 .267 ___61
Heyward .294 .314 .588 0.903 .377 __150
Simmons .333 .394 .567 0.961 .412 __169
Ross___ .214 .333 .357 0.690 .315 ___95
Really? Both catchers in the lineup?
Proton
June 18th, 2012
3:44 pm
Mac will benefit from the rest down the stretch.
cricket
June 18th, 2012
3:44 pm
Whyyyyy is BMac DH’ing after he just had a day off from catching??……
what’s the big deal? he’ll be in all games in AL parks, that’s all i personally care about.
Jimmy
June 18th, 2012
3:44 pm
Nolie – “whats wrong with calling those guys out, BAS?”
VJ did it. That’s all that is wrong with it.
Bat Masterson
June 18th, 2012
3:44 pm
Why not McFann………… One more day he does not have to get beat up behind the plate.
They might be doing it as a favor to the Yankees, too. Get some kind of idea how he handles DHing before they offer him a bank vault full of money.
phil
June 18th, 2012
3:44 pm
That lineup looks ok….
I see Mac is DHing…..I guess he needs even more rest.
Bay Area Steve
June 18th, 2012
3:46 pm
“whats wrong with calling those guys out, BAS?”
My point, noles, is that I’m kinda certain those four are not the toughest opponents. That I find it a little off that a guy who said I had no courage, and then ignored me, is “picking fights” with the easiest targets in the crowd.
MFin04
June 18th, 2012
3:46 pm
“Whyyyyy is BMac DH’ing after he just had a day off from catching??”
Search within yourself, you know the answer, even if you don’t want to admit it….
McFann :Ô: :Ô: :ô:
June 18th, 2012
3:46 pm
I was thinking he’d DH the DGANG on Wednesday…Hope he doesn’t DH 2 games—ICK!!…
Bat M. Get some kind of idea how he handles DHing before they offer him a bank vault full of money.
Be quiet!…
Proton
June 18th, 2012
3:47 pm
Plus it gets 1 more RH bat in the lineup. Plus Ross is a very good catcher. No disrespect to Mac.
onebravosfan
June 18th, 2012
3:47 pm
Mac is probably DHing because Ross is a better defensive catcher and the pitcher is a lefty. That is, it is helpful to have another RH bat in the lineup.
Bay Area Steve
June 18th, 2012
3:47 pm
Or, what Jimmy said.
Ward
June 18th, 2012
3:47 pm
Hello everyone! Thought I would come on for a few. Good article DOB, so blame the Braves for not being healthy. Good one! All the health crap is BS. Make a trade, before the Braves sink into a black hole. Love the Braves, but Wren, needs to do some thing now.
McFann :Ô: :Ô: :ô:
June 18th, 2012
3:47 pm
The pitcher being a lefty shouldn’t matter—BMac’s still gonna bat, even if he doesn’t play…
nolie
June 18th, 2012
3:48 pm
Stizz is kinda tough, maybe not the others so much I guess. I never call out George, he’s ok
Jimmy
June 18th, 2012
3:48 pm
New Rule – If McCann is only DHing, and not playing the field, No Little Debbie cartons allowed in the dugout.
McFann – Agree. I thought he’d be catching tonight. But Bat called it earlier today. Good call on his part.
Braveone
June 18th, 2012
3:48 pm
From the previous blog which had 2,772 comments, nolie led the way with 167 posts. There were 178 different poster names. Here are the Top 25:
Rank Poster Frequency
1 nolie 167
2 Trey 157
3 TheOnlyBravesFan 138
4 VaBravesFan 131
5 stizz 108
6 JNick 95
7 ChattTownBrian 93
8 Bat Masterson 80
9 phil 80
10 Efrim 77
11 Disgusted 76
12 Brava 62
13 CaptMudd 54
14 Lew 53
15 Ward 52
16 TNScott 50
17 jeffrey d 45
18 Jerry 40
19 Venice Jim 37
20 Ease 35
21 cabravesfan 34
22 ncbravesfan90 33
23 George 32
24 McFann :Ô: :Ô: :ô: 31
25 Jeff R 29
Ward
June 18th, 2012
3:49 pm
Braves need to re – do thier whole bench too.
nolie
June 18th, 2012
3:49 pm
why would they not use Mac and Chipper as DHers?
DS1
June 18th, 2012
3:50 pm
Risking the possibility that you will not take this as it is intended, I will say it anyway.
BAS. This feud has gone on too long. Time to call no joy and pull back. You’re starting to turn some folks off with this.
Not sure what started all this, but it’s time for it to be over………….
Just one man’s opinion though.
A Spade is A Spade is A Spade
June 18th, 2012
3:52 pm
Freeman had that 3 week hot streak and then disappeared. Perhaps he disappeared because of his eyes or other problems, but he disappeared. So it seems we’re still singing the blues that part of our problem is that his “star power” isn’t in the lineup. His star power is non-existent except for those 3 weeks he was hot.
I don’t dislike Freeman. In fact, I think he is a star in the making. I think he will be everything most people thought he would be. I hope he is.
I just hate to hear people looking for excuses for this team. Hearing that the Braves struggles are in part due to Freeman not being in the lineup when he wasn’t hitting anyway is pretty much BS. Had Freeman been sidelined when he was scorching the ball and the offense waned, I would agree but he hasn’t hit well in weeks even before he started sitting and watching his team mates struggle.
Just accept it. The Braves stink right now. People aren’t doing their jobs and that includes players and management/coaches. People continue to whine about the Braves bad luck but didn’t someone say that “its funny that the harder I work, the luckier I am!” ?
Blog Monitor
June 18th, 2012
3:52 pm
DS1 nailed it, time for BAS to let it go like VJ obviously has..
after time, maybe cooler heads will prevail..
Jimmy
June 18th, 2012
3:53 pm
BAS – Just don’t like to see you two going at it.
Like and respect both you guys. Good, long time posters.
But I get the feeling that anything VJ does, you’ll be all over it.
And vice-versa.
Bat Masterson
June 18th, 2012
3:53 pm
no, Lou is more likely this douchebag based on his extreme hatred for uggla. resembles someone here? –
So that’s the infamous Lou Vales. Not a very clever argument, was it?
ncscoots
June 18th, 2012
3:54 pm
BAS is a man full-growed, Wayne. He can do whatever he wants for as long as he wants.