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bill
June 19th, 2012
8:49 am
Do you speak Cub? Wait til next year.
BravesFan
June 19th, 2012
8:50 am
@Disbott3000 – Cant raise payroll until we start filling seats! Simply business 101. Got to make money to spend money.
Sons of Rick Matula
June 19th, 2012
8:51 am
The Beachy injury is one of those terrible things that happen in modern baseball. You just have to tip your cap to Tommy John. I hope he can recover and be a solid pitcher in 2014.
The down side is it will give the excuse makers and defenders of Wren & Fredi what they need. Look how it worked for the Hawks.
Atlanta sports organizations tolerate mediocrity. How long was Don Waddell allowed to cripple the Thrashers? Pete Babcock/Billy Knight with the Hawks. Remember how Schuerholtz was so different? Well, his fanboy, Frank Wren is no Schuerholtz. We can thank Arthur Blank who has lit the fire under Mike Smith’s hot seat.
Local owner v. absentee tightwads like Liberty Media.
Brave Hokie
June 19th, 2012
8:51 am
The Braves are what happens when born(e) LOSERS meet adversity.
I can only wish the worse for every last one of them including that fat pit faced manager.
Welcome to LOSERVILLE, edition 46.
Rafael
June 19th, 2012
8:52 am
Our great GM Frank Wren will make trades to improve the struggling Braves… NOT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Thanks again Liberty CHEAPIA.
Ted Abernathy
June 19th, 2012
8:54 am
Over half the pitching staff has had arm surgery, something’s not right about teaching these guys to throw 95mph sinkers and sliders. Maddux and Spahn never had arm surgery. R.A. Dickey has two one-hitters in a row, he doesn’t try to throw 100mph.
I made a living just throwing submarine after the Senators realized I couldn’t strike out anyone the other way.
Whiskey River
June 19th, 2012
9:03 am
You guys crack me up. Talking pitching. If your pitcher throws shutout you still lose. Fire Walker and get some offense. As long as you got old man on team , you are done. All he wants is Glory. Have you seen any RBI’S from him? Answer NO
Why?
June 19th, 2012
9:05 am
The only thing that can make this worse is Fredi being saved because of this injury.
BulldogBen
June 19th, 2012
9:06 am
And the hits (or lack thereof) just keep on coming.
Stick a fork in this team and the franchise.
BLECH. Guess they’ll start hyping the Rathbun’s Steak sandwich more now?
Heisenberg
June 19th, 2012
9:09 am
Fredi sounds like the Black Night from Monty Python after his arms have been chopped off. “Tis only a scratch I say”
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2eMkth8FWno
bananajacket
June 19th, 2012
9:09 am
ABF Great post! With all these great baseball minds on here posting, I just can’t understand why most of them are in the profession they are in now. It appears that most of them could instantly take the jobs of most professional managers, coaches, front office personnel and even players!
kwajbraves
June 19th, 2012
9:14 am
Sellers!
Braves rooter
June 19th, 2012
9:16 am
Prayers for Beachy but it won’t matter for this team. The hitters are as cold as they were last year and they added nobody to help. Well nobody with an average above 200 anyway.
It takes both hitting and pitching to win and we don’t have either one. Only a matter of time before they slam into last place. I would say maybe next year but not with this ownership and not with these players.
BravesFan99
June 19th, 2012
9:21 am
The Braves are punchless, there is no excitement at the ball park. You go and sit and nothing happens. They want to fill seats but why should the fans go when you know whats going to happen. THESE PLAYERS ARE BORING! THE TEAM IS BORING AND THE GAMES ARE BORING. Tell me why I should go. Oh and the food is OUTRAGEOUS.
BravesFan99
June 19th, 2012
9:21 am
The Braves are punchless, there is no excitement at the ball park. You go and sit and nothing happens. They want to fill seats but why should the fans go when you know whats going to happen. THESE PLAYERS ARE BORING! THE TEAM IS BORING AND THE GAMES ARE BORING. Tell me why I should go. Oh and the food is OUTRAGEOUS.
Why?
June 19th, 2012
9:21 am
@BulldogBen …Those sandwiches are worth it though!
Why?
June 19th, 2012
9:21 am
@BulldogBen …Those sandwiches are worth it though!
kwajbraves
June 19th, 2012
9:24 am
Time to dismantle this team and restock our minor league system that is pretty shallow now.
Brave Hokie
June 19th, 2012
9:25 am
Maybe when Dr Andrews looks him over, he should check and see if Beachy has a heart…
or if ANY of the Braves do for that matter.
See ‘ya next Fall, Brandon.
Don
June 19th, 2012
9:28 am
This is ABSOLUTELY UNBELIEVABLE – ABSOLUTELY ABSURD
With the LARGE number of different Starting Pitchers the Braves have had in the SIX or seven years SINCE LEO LEFT as Pitching Coach, almost ALL OF THEM have ended up being INJURED.
FOUR of the FIVE Starters from last season were COMMING OFF INJURIES.
And NOW BEACHY – and they say that MINOR may be having arm problems.
This has DESTROYED and is DESTROYING the Braves chances of being a CHAMPIONSHIP team FOR YEARS TO COME.
This is probably the most SIGNIFICANT THING in the HISTORY of the BRAVES or for any major league team.
Sure, every team has some injuries to starting pitchers over a Six or Seven year period – BUT almost ALL OF THEM ——— UNBELIEVABLE.
And they just IGNORE the SITUATION – PRETEND IT DOESN’T EXIST.
And even MORE UNBELIEVABLE – the WRITERS REFUSE TO ADDRESS THE PROBLEM??????????????????
Brownie
June 19th, 2012
9:29 am
Lots of panicing going on here. First of all, EVERY pitcher has soreness and occasional arm fatigue between starts. If you think the team will stop and do an MRI every time a player complains, you’re nuts.
The game has changed dramatically in just the last few years, and no position has been more affected than starters. The teams’ abilities to prepare for a starter is better than ever, the stategies of utilizing bullpens has altered the managers’ tactics of using their starters. Very few starters go past 7 innings anymore.
The primary reason for this is the introduction of QuesTec into the game. The strike zone is smaller than ever, and pitchers know they have to extremely precise unless they pitch to contact (which most do not). The result is they nibble and go deep into counts with nearly every batter.
Case in point: Glavine won over 300 games with little more than a mediocre fast ball and a good change-up. He did it mostly by living about 8″ off the plate, and the umpires gave him the strikes because he was “hitting his spots”. You just don’t see that anymore, and in today’s game, Glavine would resemble Mike Minor to a large extent (although he certainly was stronger mentally).
The Braves are a slightly above average team for two primary reasons: Liberty Media is not engaged at all. Their CEO’s W-2 exceeded the Braves’ payroll. McGuirk also says they have no limitiations placed by LB on their operations – that’s crap! I would like to see the Braves come out and say they intend to spend $120M to be more competitive and then we’ll watch LB clamp down.
The other huge problem is the horribly deficient TV contact negotiated during AOL’s reign (thanks again McGuirk and Schuerholz for not being more forward-looking). The Braves just simply won’t be competitive in their revenue stream for years regardless of who owns them. They need to pay the penalties necessary to break or rework that contract- they will likely break even or come out ahead within 5 years or so.
Stop blaming Fredi and Wren. I would agree that the book is still out on FG, but Wren has done an exceptional job while being severely handcuffed. Bottom line: there were NO great outfield big bats to acquire in the off-season – certainly not worth trading young pitching talent for. Look at them now, and you’ll see how much depth we need in the pitching staff.
wayn-o
June 19th, 2012
9:31 am
99 problems but a Beachy ain’t 1… what about his elbow… dammit, nevermind.
Peter
June 19th, 2012
9:31 am
Really ? (I have always asserted that Wren is a good GM though and nobody can give me any evidence to the contrary,
Tell us the pluses and minuses of his time in Atlanta GA….. The big acquisitions at a great deal, and the busts that were just OK..Please.
Kharma
June 19th, 2012
9:31 am
And so it goes
This is by far the easiest pitching injury to prevent. If every pitcher went to the Braves doctor and complained of the same symptoms then every pitcher would get the same diagnosis. Why? Because every pitcher has a partially torn UCL.
How’s that pitch count thing working out?
Peter
June 19th, 2012
9:33 am
THESE PLAYERS ARE BORING! THE TEAM IS BORING AND THE GAMES ARE BORING.
Yup if you were there in Saturday evening, you would have had that feeling… left early and wow not interested in going back any time soon.
pat
June 19th, 2012
9:39 am
I knew it the second he came off the mound the other day. I actually said, he’s done, Tommy John’s… I hate being right. With Liberty as our owners and Gonzoles as the coach, we may be done. How many 1-8 streaks can you survive? One, not two or three….
When we’re good we’re really good, when we’re bad we’re really bad. This coach doesn’t have what it takes to over come…Bring in Francona.
bobby
June 19th, 2012
9:44 am
Why did the old time players who pitched 9 innings every other day not have to have elbow surgery?
Hooters!
June 19th, 2012
9:47 am
I wish the Yankees could play the Braves 162 times per year.
Matt the Brave
June 19th, 2012
9:56 am
I said this a while back, but I wish the Braves would take elbow discomfort much more seriously when it begins to show. Beachy’s on the DL because they didn’t let him rest that elbow. Wonder if O’Flaherty’s elbow is busted, too…
Pat
June 19th, 2012
9:57 am
Well, Go DAWGS!
biscuit
June 19th, 2012
10:01 am
I had the feeling this was going to happen. I mean it’s become a pattern. Tommy John is not so much a possibility anymore as it is a probability. Part of the game more and more. Beachy’s too young though. Tough luck.
Tumbledown
June 19th, 2012
10:09 am
Get well Beachy. Anyway, it is time to become sellers. With our ugly TV contract, the Braves need to basically start over and collect young talent. Fire FG and FW. We are in for some lean years, but anything is better than a team that constantly teases us only to fall flat at the end. I am ready for the rebuilding process, and hopefully will still be alive when and if the Braves make another true run at the World Series.
Dirty Dawg
June 19th, 2012
10:14 am
Sign seen at a recent Braves game…I (love/heart) you Chipper…marry me NEXT! Actually I haven’t really seen one, but now I’m looking forward to it.
Heisenberg
June 19th, 2012
10:14 am
Pitchers fall into 1 of 2 categories:
1) those who have had TJ surgery
2) those who will have TJ surgery
Some fall into both.
Brave New World
June 19th, 2012
10:16 am
Bad news. Get well, Brandon!
Tommy
June 19th, 2012
10:19 am
A few things:
–There were arm injuries–lots of them–when Mazzone was the pitching coach. Smoltz missed a year and ended up as a closer, Avery’s career was cut short, Wohlers got hurt, Stanton got hurt, lots of bullpen arms were one and done. Maddux and Glavine’s durability makes us forget a lot of this.
–HUGE mistake not to give Beachy an MRI before his last start. Someone needs to staple “hope for the best, plan for the worst” to Gonzalez’ forehead.
–Losing Beachy is a blow, but I think a lot of us knew deep down that this team was going to have problems this year. Chipper and Lowe’s contract eat up $25 million of a $90 million payroll. We can’t contend with that going on. This team will not go to another World Series until Chipper retires. Too much salary and too little leadership. He’s our A-rod.
Dirty Dawg
June 19th, 2012
10:19 am
If as you say the Braves’ TV contract is a bad one, it makes you wonder if Liberty Media is paying any attention at all. You’d think that if anybody knew about broadcast contracts a ‘media’ company would. Then again, maybe they’ve got a piece of the stations included in the ‘Braves Network’ and the deal suits them just fine, thank you.
OldFan
June 19th, 2012
10:20 am
Come on now. The Braves have done us a favor. No late season collapse to ruin our winter. They’re getting there early this year, so we’ll have plenty of time to get rid of the bad taste by football season. This is a manic/depressive team that’s settled into a dark funk. The games are boring. The players look deflated and distracted. The managers and coaches seem bewildered at their bad luck. We had that manic rush of wins a while ago, and the AJC writers said this team was special and could win the WS. They were right: this team is special. They’re also right that they’ll be battling the Phillies. Unfortunately, it’s for the basement. Best we can hope for is to use this season as a building block for the younger talent and aim for next year. Thank goodness there’s next year.
JK
June 19th, 2012
10:23 am
No matter how frugal Liberty Media is, they should know that this is the time to open up the wallet for a pitcher, maybe two. People will stop buying tickets if we have to play out the rest of the season with this pitching staff.
Aubrey
June 19th, 2012
10:27 am
Healthy or not, the Braves have been inconsistent for a decade.
Vel Crow
June 19th, 2012
10:29 am
Well, now that Beachy is hurt, ole Fredi can look at the glass as half empty instead of half full. Another tip of the cap for FREDI.
Heisenberg
June 19th, 2012
10:31 am
dawg, I think the TV contract was in place before Liberty purchased team. Certainly someone will correct me if that is not the case. Thus I suspect they would use the value of the TV contract to negotiate the purchase price down. Even Ted Turner, Mark Cuban, or Arthur Blank would be stuck with it which partially could explain why they are not walking through the door anytime soon.
BrandonLee49
June 19th, 2012
10:45 am
Is Anybody In Charge ??? Maybe FG didn’t order an MRI when Brandon initially reported soreness was for financial reasons…. aka: MRI can cost around 11,000 bucks… maybe they (MGMT) did’nt want to get hit with such a Bill, for only a Questionable Issue, WhoWouldaknown it was Actually More Serious than FG Thought… It’s Bad for a Guy like Brandon whose Been The ONLY CONSISTENT BRIGHT SPOT on the TEAM, Leading the League in ANYTHING is uncharacteristic for ANy Brave, since the Maddox, Glavine SMoltz era… Yes Beachy was indeed Someone the Braves could Count-On, now we wish him the Best, this type surgery isn’t a simple procedure, nor is the Recovery.. He Deserved Better, as does Most Atl Pitchers… They Deserve Somebody Who Can INTELLIGENTLY MONITOR the Pitchers in their Progress or in their struggles, Physical or otherwise, and Currently have No one Capable of such.
Braves in last palce by the all star brake
June 19th, 2012
10:48 am
I done told U all.
RoyOswalt
June 19th, 2012
10:49 am
Hey i just signed with the Rangers recently for 1 year 4 million if i make the team by july 1st…..
nick p.
June 19th, 2012
10:58 am
although he is a great pitcher and will be missed, we have eight starting pitchers and its not a weak point of the team, matter of fact until last night starting pitching has not really been the problem so much, it has more to do with this hot/cold hitting line up, i like bourne and prado, but freeman has become like a high maintenance girl friend that you cant rely on being in line up day in and day out, he has the weirdest problems as well, McCann is the poster boy of this teams issues of being constantly hot/cold, he only works in small stretches, i have noew begun to understand why many around baseball (outside of atlanta) call mccann a bit over-rated, Uggla who is what he is at best a .260 hitter who swings for the fences, 30 HR comes with a lot of let downs, Chipper who you cant really blame, he is 40 and we all know his health history well which has been over stated, Heyward who reminds of francoeur 2.0, unfortunately big hoopla braves never really work out, and the one bright sport simmons who looks awesome, he single handedly puts a smile on my face, now if he can be a 280 to 300 hitter that would make him our cornerstone for next 10 to 12 years that is if we value him and give him the money which braves really dont anymore! to me the offense has been the jeckyl and hyde problem, not really the starting pitching, we’ll just go with medlin, therean, jurrjens etc… but line up, a constant worry!
PMC
June 19th, 2012
10:59 am
This is the reason they kept all the young pitchers. Time for someone else to step up.
Time for the LINEUP to step up.
PMC
June 19th, 2012
11:03 am
One furtur optimistic caveat. Teams need not be better than solid or good for most of the year too make the playoffs.
The Braves are a pretty good team, just above average. They have a great shot at making the playoffs.
Once you get in all you need to do is get the bats hot and pitch well enough. The Braves can do that they just need to get there.
Average teams can win the World Series in this league now. San Fran did it and St Louis did last year.
PMC
June 19th, 2012
11:03 am
*Further
Don
June 19th, 2012
11:16 am
Heisenberg, you are right — In the last 6 or 7 years with this Pitching Coach, the Braves have basically had two kinds of Starting Pitchers – (1) Those who have already been seriously injured, and (2) Those who will be seriously injured. Granted, it could possibly be the fault of the manager instead of the pitching coach – his decisions or lack thereof.
Tumbledown
June 19th, 2012
11:18 am
PMC: What you say is a fair assessment of the Braves and an objective view of a normal team’s playoff chances. However, we are talking about the Braves who play in the city of Atlanta. The Braves were in the playoffs for fourteen straight years and only won one World Series. Since the lone World Series title, the Braves have been in eleven post seasons and have flamed out every single time. You would think objectively that a team would have a chance once it reaches the playoffs. Not the Braves. Not the Braves who are owned by Liberty, run by Frank Wren, and coached by a Bobby Cox imitator.
The Braves are in Atlanta, and Atlanta teams are pathetic underperformers, underachieverers, and plain chokers come late season and playoff time. Where is the evidence to suggest otherwise? I want to see it.
Fly on the Wall
June 19th, 2012
11:24 am
Is Simmons OK….he looked like he was hurting after the DP and then again when he layed out on that one through the hole.
If he is hurt…it would put the icing on the cake.
BrandonLee49
June 19th, 2012
11:33 am
Hence no one seems to even mention the difference between “Tommy John” Surgery, of the Shoulder, with it’s mostly Successful results VS.Elbow Surgery, Major difference. Not to be pessimistic, but Realistic, this is a Very Serious development, not in Beachy’s Favor to Recover anywhere Near what his performance has been thus far… Success Rates Vary, depending on the magnitude of the Tear, the Patients resolve and resiliency, but also to the expertise of the Surgeon… Many Variables are interwoven into such an Injury.. and The Question Remains…. Why did Either Pitching Coach, or MGR Not see the improtance of Evaluating Beachy from Bullpen Throws, instead of subjecting him to a Rigorous Assignement of Starting, with Known Elbow Pain, and NOT Taking ANY PRECAUTIONARY STEPS Whatsoever. That is Inexcusable.
Can Of Corn
June 19th, 2012
11:40 am
FOR NOTHING FREDI
Fredi on Beachy’s ligament tear: “I guess my optimism was for nothing.”
No Fredi, this pretty much characterizes all that you say and do.
It’s all “FOR NOTHING” — mindless for nothings!
jek
June 19th, 2012
11:42 am
Here we go again–September collapse, only in June this year. Triple A pitching in the major leagues again. If they can find some quality pitching somewhere they need to spend the bucks–ha ha – ha. FFF!!
JK
June 19th, 2012
11:44 am
…and Tehran does not look llike he is going to be a front line starter as advertised.
brave warren
June 19th, 2012
11:45 am
i look at it this way.jurrjens can come back and pitch like an all star, huddy and hanson have been pitching well, delgado is rounding into form and minor has not been all that bad in his last 5 starts. that being said, someone needs to step up and take the ranes! this can happen on either offense or pitching. the nfield is set with simmons and uggla and freeman. chipper is a big piece. he needs to remain healthy for the remainder of the season to be helpful. our bench is not as good as it was last year. we need to get better bench players. hinske is overused, ross is never used. and the rest kinda suck!!! prado and bourn are awsome, after that there is not much going on offensively. i hope they get it together and find some offense. pitching isnt the issue, its been the inconsistant offense.
Heisenberg
June 19th, 2012
11:46 am
BrandonLee49, I think you are off the mark suggesting a coach watching him in warmup prior to the Saturday start was going to make any difference. The damage was done in the previous start and there was no indication prior to that of anything wrong. He is leading the majors in ERA and being dominent up to that point. Up to the time there was a SUDDEN drop-off in velocity in the middle of an inning, there was every reason to believe he was fine. At that point whether he skipped a turn or went on 60 day DL, his fate was sealed.
Wutehvah
June 19th, 2012
11:46 am
How did Simmons get beat out by Pastornicky @ SS in the spring??!! Simmons can flat out play!!
If I was in Charge of the Braves for One Day
June 19th, 2012
11:46 am
Fire Wren, fire Fredi, Prado to third permanently, Constanza to left, Chipper becomes pinch hitter and back up to Prado and bring up Teheran.
Brian
June 19th, 2012
11:47 am
The ATL sport gods are at it again! The good news in this town never ends……..
TechRon
June 19th, 2012
11:49 am
It will not get better until Fredi and company go elsewhere. The Beachy thing is not his fault, certainly, but he still sucks. This team needs a real manager and coaches. McDowell will not do either. Walker doesn’t look quite so good right now, does he? I remember everyone raving about the great at bats the Braves were getting about a month ago. Not so hot now. They are stinking with the bats. They’ve been shut out SEVEN times. Utterly amazing. That doesn’t count the games were they got a run or two but really never threatened. These guys decide all at once that they are going to lose a particular game and then they just go out and mail it in. There is no accountability at all Fredi demands nothing of the players. Wren demands nothing of Fredi. What is consistent with the Braves is one thing: They can always count on the radio and TV announcers to “keep it positive” and talk about whatever good thing they can dredge up. From Chip Carey all the way down to Buck Belue, they make me sick. Tell the truth!
Felix
June 19th, 2012
11:50 am
Now Beachy’s out. Our ace has Tommy John elbow.
Great! Just great!
TechRon
June 19th, 2012
11:51 am
Oh, and BTW, Simmons looks like the Braves MVP this year. Whatta ballplayer.
Brave Hokie
June 19th, 2012
11:52 am
LOSER + VILLE = Atlanta
Heisenberg
June 19th, 2012
11:53 am
brave warren, I would agree there is enough pitching depth to make up for this. With the exception of Minor. I could see it in his face in the 5th inning last night. He has Jo Jo Reyes syndrome. As soon as there is even a tiny bit of adversity he crumbles like dried out cornbread. It is not the “stuff” or physical abilities Minor is lacking, it is the mental toughness. I do not see it. He may get it someday but he does not have it now. If Meds is so valuable in the bullpen, put Redmen out there in place of Minor.
Felix
June 19th, 2012
11:57 am
Yeah! And it is time the TV announcers quit being such rah rah apple polishers for Wren & company. Call it like it is from the booth. What do they think we are a bunch of saps? When the team sucks, call them out. Skip was always a straight shooter. When a player or the team was lousy, he called it like it was and usually did it using his mischievous, wry, and dry sense of humor.
Rick
June 19th, 2012
12:03 pm
Wutehvah, Simmons’ production declined as ST went on and then he got sidelined due to an oblique injury. I think it was a good decision that they let him develop a little longer in AA anyway.
Kentavo
June 19th, 2012
12:04 pm
I think you can see the disconnect between Frankie and Fredi again on this one – sure hoping so, then Frankie can make Fredi the scapegoat and fire him.
Heisenberg
June 19th, 2012
12:06 pm
Rick, in addition to the extra development in AA, Braves also delayed the Arb/FA clock from starting on Simmons by a year.
Jay Dubu
June 19th, 2012
12:54 pm
Wake Up Call
The Braves started out way ahead of the game when Ted was the owner. They were on TBS, and attracted a fan base country wide. Whoever thought that moving them off of TBS had no vision for where the sports industry was moving. Too much focus was placed on trying to get TBS access to other baseball markets.
The Yankees saw what Ted had with the Braves and TBS, and took it to another level. They will always sork to be competitive because they have a network for which they are a large part of the programming.
The Braves are turning into the Oakland A’s. There is nothing wrong with developing talent, but if you’re depending on all of your success to come from young talent, you’d better have a very good and very impressive scouting department, and a structure in place to develop your young talent.
I find it hard to believe that the Braves have people in their front office that were this short-sited, and lack of vision. At the very least, they should have hired consultants to evaluate the TV market for baseball before jumping into a 25 year deal without an escape clause. They must have very poor legal representatives as well.
jo killa
June 19th, 2012
1:02 pm
it sucks not having beachy but the season isnt over if the braves can hit a little bit better we will be fine it all comes down to the offense in my opinion i thought minor pitched ok we cant give up on him hes a talented guy if the braves can hit and score some runs we will be fine
John in Wichita
June 19th, 2012
1:18 pm
I feel bad for Brandon. Seems like a good guy. I heard the interview with him on the radio after Sunday’s game, and it seemed to me he pretty much knew what he was in for. Hopefully the hard work he puts in during recovery will be worth the effort in a couple years.
Game 67: Yankees 6, Braves 2 | MLB.Fans-Talk.com
June 19th, 2012
1:45 pm
[...] was reported following the game that Brandon Beachy has a partially torn ulnar collateral ligament in his right [...]
Kane337
June 19th, 2012
1:45 pm
Doom and Gloom time
kwajbraves
June 19th, 2012
1:50 pm
How did Simmons get beat out by Pastornicky @ SS in the spring??!!
That was FW decision. FG and most the coaches wanted Simmons to start.
Wes
June 19th, 2012
2:05 pm
I think it’s pretty obvious the hitting coach(es) are not what’s affecting the offense. Been the same for years no matter who’s been on the bench.
You can shine a piece of crap up. But in the end, if you have mediocre talent, it’s still a piece of crap.
Oy vey.
June 19th, 2012
2:06 pm
Move Medlen to starter.
kerryb
June 19th, 2012
2:08 pm
Could this year get any worse? Now our best starter so far is gone. Oh well, it will be football season soon.
kerryb
June 19th, 2012
2:12 pm
If the Braves try to make a trade for a proven starter we are no longer in a position of strength so teams will want at least 2 of our top young starters now. Maybe should have made that deal for Oswalt, who has always wanted to be a Brave, when they could.
MikeBrave
June 19th, 2012
2:22 pm
If Beachy is done for the year, this might actually motivate the guys to pick it up a notch….Medlen should get a chance to start now. Please!
BraveinNE
June 19th, 2012
2:23 pm
Folks, Oswalt has been floundering in Triple A trying to get in shape. the KC farm team in Omaha lit him up and at last check he has a 5+ era in 3 minor league starts. Is he really the answer?
Jim Tavegia
June 19th, 2012
2:44 pm
Tough break for BB who seems like a great guy and has worked hard to get to the show. He’ll be back. Medlin should be a big help to him emotionally. I know JJ was disappointed about being sent down, but now is his chance to prove the FO that he deserves to be here.
bostonbravo
June 19th, 2012
2:46 pm
my wife always liked it when I watched Braves games. she works long hours & Braves put her straight to sleep these days. unfortunately, they now have the same effect on me,
OK…don’t fire Fredi..watching him squirm & screw up IS BEST PART OF THE GAME.
alanfalcon
June 19th, 2012
3:24 pm
June 19, 2012 and we are already at WAIT TILL NEXT YEAR !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
MikeBrave
June 19th, 2012
3:39 pm
The Braves don’t have money to spend because of its owner: Liberty Media. Please Liberty Media, sell the Braves to someone who wants to win…
NickB
June 19th, 2012
5:00 pm
I really wish this board would follow statistics a bit more….. anyway:
medlen belongs in the pen where he has the most value, if you look at his stats as a starter he gets overexposed over time and becomes very hittable,but he’s a great multi inning reliever
The recent offensive slump can be traced down to one important thing, pitches per AB, when the Braves were scoring a ton of runs they were taking more pitches and garnering more walks (8.7% BB rate in April, 9.1 walk rate in May but a 7.2% walk rate in June) our slugging has fallen off as well (.409 in April, .402 in May, .377 in June)
so they are taking less pitches and are thus getting on base and hitting less extra base hits.
They need to get back to being patient at the plate like they were the first 6 weeks of the year
Brooks Conrad
June 19th, 2012
5:18 pm
Hi Guys,I just got released by the Brewers and I am ready to come back to the Braves.Please sign me.Frank,I am waiting you have my phone number.
keylargo
June 19th, 2012
5:33 pm
The world may very well end as predicted on Dec 21.
http://milwaukee.brewers.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20120619&content_id=33556622&vkey=news_mlb&c_id=mlb
Flyin South
June 19th, 2012
5:36 pm
WHY in the HELL would they not give Beachy the MRI at the first sign of soreness? The Medical – Coaching staff for the Braves are RIDICULOUS. Bone Spurs my ASS – this comment ONLY makes Frank Wren a bigger D than already assumed. Bet me Beachy’s elbow was doped with cortizone – thus the reason the did not feel the infamous ‘POP”.
Flyin South
June 19th, 2012
5:44 pm
AND…the remaining pitching staff will be expected to pitch no hitter’s for 8 1/2 innings while the BATS sit MUTE. I am so disgusted.
tomahawk in tn
June 19th, 2012
6:12 pm
Wren more likely to get something out of the dumpster than Dempster. But he does work within the budget provided.
fg stinx
June 19th, 2012
7:30 pm
Bet trying to sell Braves tickets is a very lonely job right now.
MR FRREN WANK
June 19th, 2012
7:39 pm
@nickb:
number one: Minor is so inconsistent and DIVA actitude he needs to grow up
number two: YOU DONT NEED DFA ANY BASTARD IF YOU WANT YOU CAN SEND DOWN YOUR PLAYERS AHHAHAHA OR WHAT WILSON AND HINSKE ARE MORE IMPORTANT THAN JURRJENS
number three: A’s are done so sure Beane dont care veteran Balfour and maybe yes a 24-years old Francisco.
number four: Heyward it’s a JOKE …. he only had a good april’s after that he sucks ,,,maybe Quentin dont have a good speed or good glove but at least he have more contact and power and sure he can knock some sac flies when the team needs runs.. Heyward a groundout specialist and Strikeout king
number five: the braves dont go to any place with fredi gonzalez here , without new manager the braves dont gonna win nothing
and NUMBER SIX : YOU ARE SO STUPID… lol
atlanta clowns
June 19th, 2012
7:50 pm
hehehehee there it is
…. the loser actitude is contagious now Hudson it’s pitching like Jo-Jo Reyes hahaahah wow the braves ace it’s pitching garbage.. what’s the next?? Kimbrel blowing saves? wowwww
new name: atlanta clowns
stadium: circus field
no more tomahawk chop only the circus song: tan tan tan tan ta ra ta ra ra ra
no more MVP AWARD now MRC: MOST RIDICULOUS CLOWN
the winner is FREDI GONZALEZ
wadafuc
June 19th, 2012
7:53 pm
I am a patient Braves Fan. I know how these things can turn around, but is there anyone else Fredi can put in the lineup other than Hinski? This guy is 5 for his last 55 with 1 rbi! I would rather see a young fellow up from the minors than watch this guy!
Brad Lidge
June 19th, 2012
8:05 pm
Hi Frank,Sign me,I will help the bullpen and I will sign cheap,I want to show the other teams that I still have it and want to be a closer again,give me a chance to help the bullpen.
mpimentel
June 19th, 2012
8:20 pm
Well is because of this I assumed that wren didn’t make any trade involving ours pitchers…our so called surplus of pitching have to rise up NOW
Amber
June 19th, 2012
8:54 pm
Shoot me now.
Tom
June 20th, 2012
9:03 pm
Nothing here on this, yet.
NEW YORK — Atlanta Braves pitcher Brandon Beachy is going to have reconstructive surgery on his right elbow Thursday, and will miss the rest of the season.
Manager Fredi Gonzalez made the announcement after the Braves beat the New York Yankees on Wednesday, hours after Beachy received a second opinion from Dr. James Andrews.
The 25-year-old Beachy was put on the 15-day disabled list Sunday, a day after leaving a start early. He is tied for the major league lead with a 2.00 ERA and is 5-5 in 13 starts.
Andrews has performed many of the ligament replacement operations known as Tommy John surgery. Recovery time for the injury normally takes 12-18 months.
Jair Jurrjens will be recalled from Triple-A Gwinnett to start Friday in Boston.