Beachy to DL, scheduled for MRI on Monday – updated
The Braves have placed Brandon Beachy on the 15-day disabled list and plan to send him for a full workup and MRI with contrasting dye on his pitching elbow on Monday morning.
Beachy had to leave Saturday’s start against the Orioles after 3 2/3 innings after his elbowed flare up on back-to-back curveballs. He threw four more pitches to Orioles right fielder Chris Davis, before calling out catcher Brian McCann to the mound.
Beachy said his elbow didn’t feel right after the breaking pitches, and then he glanced up and saw 86 mph on the speed of pitch indicator at Turner Field after he’d thrown a fastball.
Beachy said he didn’t feel a pop or a tell-tale burning sensation that often accompanies an elbow ligament tear, but he said: “I felt like there was going to be a pop. I finished throwing to that batter and one didn’t come. But I clearly couldn’t continue to throw pitches.”
Beachy said he has a history of bone spurs and his best hope now is that doctors will say that is what is causing the discomfort that first cropped up after his previous start. But if there’s a ligament tear, and he has to undergo ligament transplant surgery, the standard recovery time is 12-14 months.
Beachy had felt some soreness in his elbow after his previous start against Toronto so the Braves gave him several extra days’ rest before his start against the Orioles. Beachy said he didn’t feel it throwing in the bullpen, but his elbow gradually got tighter over the first few innings. He hadn’t allowed a baserunner until he walked Davis.
“Just didn’t feel good,” Beachy said. “It just got to a point where it wasn’t worth continuing to push through it. It was gradual, started coming back slowly, just tightness, just kind of came up there and got to the point where I knew I couldn’t go.”
Beachy is leading all qualified starters in the major leagues with a 2.00 ERA. He’s been a hard-luck loser of late and is now 5-5, after taking the loss Saturday despite allowing only that one walk. His won-loss record is the least of his concerns now, though.
“I’m just waiting,” Beachy said. “Hope for the best.”
The same goes for his manager.
“I think the thing will settle down a little bit and he’ll be fine,” Braves manager Fredi Gonzalez said. “I expect him to be back 15 or 20 days. I don’t expect his season to be over by any means. That’s me, not seeing the MRI or having any kind of medical background.”
The Braves have recalled Todd Redmond from Triple-A Gwinnett, but that was to provide an extra arm in the bullpen. The Braves plan to recall Jair Jurrjens from Gwinnett to make his return to the major leagues in Beachy’s place Friday night in Boston.
Jurrjens has been in Gwinnett since late April trying to regain his form after starting the season 0-2 with a 9.37 ERA in four starts. He’s 3-4 with a 5.27 ERA in nine starts for Gwinnett. He’ll likely throw a couple of innings on day early this week in Gwinnett to stay sharp, then join the Braves on Thursday’s off day in Boston.
Redmond is in his eighth season in the Braves organization but this will be his first taste of the major leagues.
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ATLien
June 17th, 2012
10:15 am
First? Where the Braves will be in a week…
Sons of Rick Matula
June 17th, 2012
10:16 am
Todd Redmond was acquired by the Braves for the immortal Tyler Yates. This is what the vaunted Braves pitching depth has to offer in an emrgency?
IsFreemanaWussie
June 17th, 2012
10:17 am
Strange season
mrb
June 17th, 2012
10:18 am
not good at all
Screwball
June 17th, 2012
10:18 am
Why isn’t it Todd Reddmondd?
MD Braves fan
June 17th, 2012
10:22 am
Worst part is that Fredi now has an excuse to hide behind. Dammit.
Screwball
June 17th, 2012
10:23 am
When I saw the headline, I thought OMG, they’ve called up Mark Redman. (Braves 2007 0-4, 11.63 ERA). Don’t laugh, Wren might have the guy’s name in his rolodex.
Confusing choice
June 17th, 2012
10:24 am
Streched out Medlen, put him in bullpen. Called up Redmond? Where is Tehrean?
Dirty Dawg
June 17th, 2012
10:27 am
Elbows don’t just ‘get better’…Tommy John…and Redmond has been pitching as good or better than the our other ‘arms’. If he doesn’t get er done then well see somebody else. Either way, no way we’re gonna ‘get better’.
Ebenezer Snerdberg
June 17th, 2012
10:28 am
Instead of bringing brooms to a game now, fans should bring forks! This prove Havana Fats and Roger McDoofus haven’t a clue about the game!
Preston Hannatized
June 17th, 2012
10:28 am
Don’t worry MD. Fredi is working under a make the playoffs or adios edict. Injuries won’t save him. He’s becoming the Ray Goff of managers. The front office knows the fan base can’t stand him and they would love to can him but he keeps winning enough to hold on. If Fredi is the fallguy and Wren stays – bad news.
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Steve From Dalton
June 17th, 2012
10:28 am
Speaks volumes about how the Braves feel about Jair. Maybe Redmond goes to the pen and Medlen starts
Sending Chip out in style 2012
June 17th, 2012
10:31 am
Sons of Rick: you do realize how the braves acquired Beachy right? Does that mean he shouldn’t be in the bigs since he wasn’t drafted ? Who gives a damn how Redmond was acquired, he’s pitched well in his minor league career and the FO needs to see what they do or don’t have in him, he deserves his shot he’s earned it. So pointless to mention how they got him, really seems like people here btch just for the sake of btching. How you go through life with such a negative outlook is really depressing. Learn some baseball before you write a guy off bc how he was “acquired”.
Such a pointless statement..
TheOnlyBravesFan
June 17th, 2012
10:34 am
We’re snakebit
abby normal
June 17th, 2012
10:34 am
Warm up the fat lady……..Braves are done.
Sons of Rick Matula
June 17th, 2012
10:38 am
I think I know baseball fairly well but I’ll defer to your genius. Still, I don’t care how they were drafted, it’s how they are progressing. Undrafted, Beachy started pro-ball in 2009 and made MLB in 2011. Kudos to the Braves scouting. On the other hand, Redmond was drafted in 2004 but the Pirates gave up on him. The Pirates! The Braves were eager to dump Tyler Yates. Maybe Redmond has found something but this callup won’t lead sports center.
panamajack
June 17th, 2012
10:40 am
Anolther terriable decision by Wren, Redman isn’t worth a s*it at AAA, This is about the last straw for me, I am about to give up on this team. What can you do, the team isn’t performing because Sherholtz wont fire Wren who won’t fire Fredi. Wren conldn’t find anything in the Dumpster so he brings up this garbage.
Fan since 1977
June 17th, 2012
10:40 am
Chipper, you can’t go every day, make room for Prado at third full time, retire now and focus on your kids (appropo foe Father’s Day) since you are going through a divorce (for which I’m sorry, would not wish that on anyone). The kids come first. Plus this is one time you do NOT want to be making a lot of $$.
Then maybe Wren will find us SOMEONE to play everyday LF. Love you Diaz, but…
Freeman, ice and flex the heck out of that finger, we need you in lineup (and definitely in field) BAD!
Beachy, get well soon. Very soon. Hope MRI is negative and you just need to be introduced to Mr. Cortisone.
Bourn, Prado, Uggla, Mac – continued good health. Simmons, keep it up, kid. J-Hey, keep finding that consistent stroke, you’re good for your numbers.
Rossy – ever thought of being a player-manager?
GO BRAVES!
bruce
June 17th, 2012
10:41 am
why not Kris Medlen to start?
Fan since 1977
June 17th, 2012
10:42 am
Meant Heyward too good for his numbers.
Ball's-N-All
June 17th, 2012
10:43 am
Fa Le Da Doe….lalalalala…Doe Rey Me…..lalalala…OK WARMED UP…!!
Eric
June 17th, 2012
10:45 am
Can you people be positive?!?!? You care to read this so you obviously are fans! Root for your team! Yes our manager is a clown, but those are the cards we were dealt. It’s June and the team is 4 games back. Pleanty of baseball to play. Hopefully Redmond has a good rep in AAA, if not Dempster is out there and a trade will be made. Wren knows that if any year this is the Braves only chance before the Nats explode!
Let’s worry about Freeman, cause the black cloud following him must disappear
panamajack
June 17th, 2012
10:45 am
I would assume they are going to Start Medlen and put Redman in the bullpen but who knows with these idiots.
Fan since 1977
June 17th, 2012
10:46 am
@bruce – Medlen will probably be put in rotation. With O’Flaherty having arm stiffness and Venters inexplicably not being effective, he got called to be set up man after a few starts in Gwinnett, but glad now he got those starts because he has to be in rotation. Starting pitching is just too important. So now I guess it’s Hanson, Huddy, Medlen, Delgado, Minor.
Ball's-N-All
June 17th, 2012
10:54 am
Trade for Dempster.Quinton,and Belfort now..Also look for another middle infielder,and we will be ok..I dont think CHIPPER will make it through the year hes about done..
Dr. James Andrews
June 17th, 2012
10:54 am
Hi Brandon – we’ve got the operating room ready. See you Wednesday. -James
Whiskey River
June 17th, 2012
10:56 am
@Eric You have got to be kidding?
mpimentel
June 17th, 2012
11:05 am
I fell terrible about beachy..this team needs to get rid off mcDowell before the whole pitching corp get injured…btw don’t waste any good player in a race to get dempster …he’s not as well some people think
Ralph
June 17th, 2012
11:06 am
panamajack, I agree with you, Redman was a bad decision, they should have recalled Teheran and left Meds in the bullpen, Redman has a 6-4 record with a 3.26era, used primarily as a starter, not even a good AAA pitcher. I thought last nite when they pulled Teheran after 4 innings that was what they were going to do, only other reason I can think they would pull him is a possible trade in the working
navy mmcm
June 17th, 2012
11:09 am
How can he be “recalled” if he was never in the bigs before?
alanfalcon
June 17th, 2012
11:10 am
When did Beachy become left handed as you story title suggest ???????????????????
Good call on Todd, time to see if his sucess at Gwinnett will pay off, the others surely have not and just maybe the Braves system is rushing these guys along to quickley (Heywardf, Freeman, Pastor, Delgado, Tehrean, Minor and what about the injured coming back to quick, last year it was Heyward and chipper, this year its Freeman, Chipper and now Beachy.
Homer the Brave
June 17th, 2012
11:12 am
If Beachy’s injury isn’t serious then Redmond would probably take his spot for a few starts while he’s on the DL and Medlan stays in the pen.
But if Beachy is lost for the year, then Medlan would take his spot and we will be looking for bullpen help.
Ralph
June 17th, 2012
11:15 am
How can he be “recalled” if he was never in the bigs before?
Because he was already on the 40 man roster, has been since last year, only reason was if they took him off they whoul have to put him on waivers and lose him.
bob didier
June 17th, 2012
11:15 am
You idiots. Redman not a good AAA pitcher? No hitter in 2011. All Star in Int. League for 2 years.
If Medlen is going to be a starter like some of you want, then Teheran is not the right callup. Teheran is not a reliever. Redman apparently can relieve and is more of a veteran. As for you experts, you would never have called Venters or Beachy up in the past, because their MiL records were not very good. Moylan, either.
Dirty Dawg
June 17th, 2012
11:16 am
One thing’s for sure…we’ll never be labeled as ‘knowledgeable baseball fans’.
Dawgdad (The Original)
June 17th, 2012
11:16 am
The way they are pitching, I think everyone at AAA with any potential should get a drive by to show if they can help. You never know, some guys do better in the big leagues than they ever did in the minors. Rare, but it happens. I had rather watch a new guy than trot out the guy, who didn’t getter done the previous three tries.
Ralph
June 17th, 2012
11:16 am
Homer the Brave
Don’t try to second guess those idiots running this team.
least of the east
June 17th, 2012
11:17 am
Redmond probably can’t pitch in the ML, but I would give him a chance. Since this is his first callup, he must have several options so he can be sent down as fast as he was recalled. Teheran hasn’t pitched that well so far in 2012. this way we can find out how Redmond translates to the majors and not make assumptions.
Redmond pitches to contact so he likely will have some trouble at this level.
exhast all internal options first before looking outside the system.
bob didier
June 17th, 2012
11:18 am
Actually, the reason Teheran was pulled last night appears to be a high pitch count of over 90 and ineffectness again. Appears to have been walking batters again. Hopefully, not pulled because of injury.
Willy
June 17th, 2012
11:18 am
Jurrjens problems seem mental. In Gwinnett w/bases empty – 1:09 ERA/36 IP; runners on – 11.19 ERA/23 1/3 IP; runners in scoring position – 21.60 ERA/11 2/3 IP.
ChillyMutt
June 17th, 2012
11:19 am
Medlin …. Medlin ….
bob didier
June 17th, 2012
11:20 am
Having several options doesn’t have anything to do with it. An option to the minors counts once each year. Does not count every single time a player is optioned during the year. So, doesn’t matter if Costanza is brought up and sent back 3 times. Counts as one option.
Sending Chip out in style 2012
June 17th, 2012
11:23 am
I don’t think you know baseball at all after reading that comment, especially if you rely on sportscenter for your baseball info considering the only baseball you’ll get there is NYY BOSOX and Bryce Harper. Beachy was 1 example of many in baseball, how about R.A Dickey? He was written off early and now he’s a top tier pitcher. Jose Bautista played for them PIRATES also who gave up on him along with about 7 other teams. Your logic (if you can call it that) is seriously flawed and the fact that you think you know the game while saying such moronic things just makes it worse.
DOB and Ms. Rogers do a great job covering the braves and have some excellent write-ups, than you hit the comment section and its just “wtf is wrong with these people” why even claim to like the braves if you do nothing but hate on everything about the org. Commenters here really ruin any chance of actual baseball discussion on an otherwise great blog…
Dr. Kenneth Noisewater
June 17th, 2012
11:23 am
headed to the game, hopefully this pathetic team lately can get more than 1 hit today!!
Ralph
June 17th, 2012
11:26 am
bob didier
June 17th, 2012
11:18 am
Actually, the reason Teheran was pulled last night appears to be a high pitch count of over 90 and ineffectness again. Appears to have been walking batters again. Hopefully, not pulled because of injury.
Teheran threw 86 pitches, walked 2 batters, gave up 2 runs, not exactly a high pitch count, not many walks and not too ineffective either.
Ken Stallings
June 17th, 2012
11:27 am
Redmond may be pitching very well, but last column I read said that Jurjjens was also pitching well in AAA and he has the experience. I have to say this move to leave Jurjjens at AAA does surprise me. There is no question any longer that Jurjjens isn’t in AAA for a sort out, he’s in AAA because the Braves don’t want him back and so far no other team has offered up a trade the Braves are willing to pull the trigger on.
Baseball is a cruel game at times. And every player’s career ends on various degrees of sorrow. But for Jair Jurjjens to go from MLB All-Star, Pitcher of the Month, and on the fast track to stardom to sudden relegation with no trade interest ranks among the most bitter of outcomes.
SM
June 17th, 2012
11:28 am
How long is it until football season?
Stephen
June 17th, 2012
11:29 am
Why does the title say ” the left- hander ” ???
Kev
June 17th, 2012
11:29 am
Redmond Who ???????
Ralph
June 17th, 2012
11:31 am
Sending Chip out in style
Gotta hate, there isn’t much to love lately
cliff
June 17th, 2012
11:31 am
Better watch out, Beachy. The Braves sat back and let bad mechanics ruin Steve Avery’s arm.
Disgusted
June 17th, 2012
11:32 am
Can you people be positive?
Dempster is out there and a trade will be made”
@Eric – That Kool-Aid must be very strong and good this morning. Happy Sunday and happy week.
Ralph
June 17th, 2012
11:34 am
Ken Stallings
June 17th, 2012
11:27 am
jj has pitched like crap at AAA, gave up another Gran Slam his last start, he is toast, stick a fork in him, he is done.
war daddy lightfoot
June 17th, 2012
11:34 am
Ho hum
Nattering Nabob
June 17th, 2012
11:38 am
Agreed, Send Chip.
Amazing how many experts there are on this blog.
war daddy lightfoot
June 17th, 2012
11:39 am
Jurrjens??? Hell nooooooo
D.A. Nuggla
June 17th, 2012
11:42 am
I agree with those who say he can’t be “recalled” if he has not been in the majors before. Doesn’t matter if he was on the 40 man roster or not. When cars are “recalled” it’s because they have been sold and the owner has to take them back to the dealer. The term “called up” should have been used. You cannot “recall” something that hasn’t been there before.
panamajack
June 17th, 2012
11:46 am
Maybe Wren use to be a used car salesman and still has dreams of the Cash for Clunkers program.
jim
June 17th, 2012
11:46 am
Lot of Love for Medlen, Medlin, and Medlan on this blog today. How many bad or mediocre starts by any one of the three before those same people demand they be banished to AAA or traded for a short term fix — that won’t really fix anything?
VinnyD
June 17th, 2012
11:49 am
Redmond deserves his chance,been in the minors forever. I say give him 3 starts and see what ya got. Of course, they stretched out Medlen’s arm and now they need a starter…I still think that 5th starter is way more important than a setup man. But Fredi OBVIOUSLY knows what he is doing.
panamajack
June 17th, 2012
11:50 am
Maybe instead of sending everyone down to Gwinette for a quick fix we should just bring up Gwinettes manager and pitching coact to Atlanta.
jim
June 17th, 2012
11:51 am
With all the typos, spelling, and grammatical errors on this blog, we are having a discussion about the correct terminology for Redmond’s promotion to the majors?
Whiskey River
June 17th, 2012
11:52 am
@Vinny Have you been drinking FG Koolaid? I dont’t want any.
ATLcracker
June 17th, 2012
12:03 pm
If you could only get rid of one guy would it be Gonzales or Wren ? I say Wren.
The Bravenator
June 17th, 2012
12:03 pm
The Braves have enough talent to win. The problem is a third base coach disguised as a terrible manager and an inept coaching staff. How long did Leo go as pitching coach with no arm problems? He’s probably available, but on the outs with the current management which, BTW, is about the worst in baseball. Couple that with inept and disinterested ownership and the reason for this disaster in-the-making is obvious.
Herb Bell
June 17th, 2012
12:05 pm
I continue to be amazed at the stream of “I know better than folks who have spent their lives in baseball,” and the seeming hatefulness coming from folks who actually profess to be Braves fans.
I grew up in Atlanta going to the old Ponce de Leon ballpark to watch the Crackers. And, then, to get a major league team when the Braves moved here from Milwaukee. Wow! I was in heaven.
Now, since I live in another place, I get to go to the Braves website and the AJC website to get my scoop on my Braves, go through the day’s boxscore and keep up. It helps me remember my childhood days of following them in person when I was in Atlanta.
But then I read some of the comments and I want to throw up at the so-called fans who spew out the constant ctiticism. Ugghhh!
But, now, I ROOT for them. And enjoy reading about the men who work in the organization who help develop the young ones coming along.
And I’m amazed when I see the love of a guy coaching in the minors lose his eye in spring training and who can hardly wait to get back to his assigned team and his players. It makes me want to meet him and just sit down and listen as he talks about his love of the game.
Wake up you old farts who spew nothing but criticism and hate. It’s just a game. and those who participate are trying their best to improve and do their best.
Enjoy. Smell the roses. Root for your team and its players and coaches and managers.
Grow up. Stop whining… stop acting like you are smarter than them… stop acting like you would do it all better.
Most of you whiners just make the real fans sick… sick of the “know it alls” and critics.
jim
June 17th, 2012
12:06 pm
Is the Toronto pitching coach responsible for three starters going down within a week’s time? Is McDowell responsible for injuries to JJ’s knee, Hanson’s shoulder, Hudson’s back and ankle, and Beachy’s elbow? If he is to take the blame for Venters’ inconsistency, does he get credit for Delgado’s maturation, for Kimbrel’s better command, for developing EOF after he was cut from the Mariners or for Moylan after he was picked off the scrap heap after the WBC? We all approve of the firing of Parrish and the hiring of Walker and Fletcher. It will be interesting to see what this change will mean in runs scored, BA, OBP, etc. at the end of the year with the same core group of players. Maybe this will give a more realistic appraisal of how much effect a coach has on team performance over a replacement. Maybe the SABR guys will come up with some measure for hitting and pitching coaches one day.
jim
June 17th, 2012
12:14 pm
“How long did Leo go as pitching coach with no arm problems?”
Less than a year.
Mike Stanton was one of the first of Leo’s pitchers with arm injuries (I believe Pete Smith had injury issues, but not sure of him), others included Juan Berrenguer, Pedro Borbon Jr., Steve Avery, Mark Wholers, Nate McGlinchey, John Smoltz, and Mike Hampton.
BravesfaninWis
June 17th, 2012
12:19 pm
Moot point, the Braves are done. They can’t play at a high enough level for a consistent amount of time to be considered for a playoff run. Hopefully with the Derek Lowe and Chipper Jones money coming off the books next season the Braves can actually lure a few “real” players to come to Atlanta. Put Prado at 3rd base permanently, and go out and sign or trade for a legit power hitting LF.
I am a realist however, and know the Braves are to f’n cheap to do something like that. Then they wonder why attendance is down? People are sick of seeing a stale product, and that is exactly what the Braves are.
Bvillebaron
June 17th, 2012
12:20 pm
The best thing that could happen for this team would be for Jurrjens to return to form. As I have pointed out in the past, he was a pretty good pitcher for 3 plus years before he hurt his knee. I for one will be rooting for him.
The comment that McDowell is somehow responsible for the recent rash of injuries to the pitchers is idiotic.
DaveinNEPA
June 17th, 2012
12:21 pm
It doesn’t appear that it has occured to anyone on this blog that bringing up Redmond buys the FO some time to see who and what is available in a trade. It’s been less than 24 hrs since Beachy went down, trades and acquisitions don’tjust happen that fast.
Redmond has paid his dues and at least deserves a chance to see what he can do at the ML level but in the meantime they need an arm to take Beachy’s roster spot. If Redmond works out, fine, if not then he buys time to get a more experienced arm.
bob didier
June 17th, 2012
12:24 pm
There you have it, Ralph. Teheran has back soreness. When the Braves say little, probably means surgery. They said Gattis had a little tendenitis in wrist. Turned in to a cast and 6 weeks and he still is not playing.
O’Flaherty has a little soreness in elbow. Chipper has a little problem with knee and leg. Freddie F has a little finger soreness, can’t play for a week. Beachy has a little soreness in elbow but is fine, according to Fredi. Point is that Fredi and the Braves don’t always tell the extent of injuries.
And, for you JJ lovers, he will pitch Friday.
Sons of Rick Matula
June 17th, 2012
12:25 pm
If you want cheerleaders, read Chop Talk (is it still being published?)
All fans grouse. Have you read the Yankee’s blog and they’ve won 27 times.
Only one team’s fan base is happy after the WS. It’s sports. It’s not life.
If you don’t like the comments – pro or con the Braves – have a nice day.
bgvt
June 17th, 2012
12:26 pm
Wow … perhaps the article was updated after many of these comments were made but it seems fairly clear to me that the Braves have called Redmond up to be a long reliever until Beachy’s next start. At that time, the Braves will make another move — calling up JJ for the start on Friday. Who will be sent down? Probably Redmond — or, perhaps Varvaro … though Redmond has less experience as a reliever. Given how short the bullpen has become (EOF hurting & lots of innings last night), they need an extra bullpen arm. Redmond certainly seems like a better candidate for that role than many of the other G-Braves. (Teheren pitched last night; JJ looks to be the starter on Friday). The other choice would be Flande, but Redmond is having a better year.
Buster brave
June 17th, 2012
12:26 pm
VINNY D YOU ARE RIGHT ABOUT REDMOND,HE HAS HAD A CONSISTENT FEW YEARS IN AAA AS A STARTER,HE IS JUST AS CAPABLE,IF NOT MORE SO THAN THE “FUTURE STARS” OF OUR PITCHING PROSPECTS.HE CAN’T DO ANY WORSE THAN THE VAUNTED “STARS”,I ACTUALLY THINK HE DOES BETTER. ALL OF THE “PEOPLE” ON THIS BLOG WHO DOESN’T ABOUT MR. REDMOND,REALLY AREN’T BRAVES FANS,AND SHOULD JUST SHAKE THEIR “POM-POMS’,IF THEY HAVE A PAIR…………….
Tampa Gator
June 17th, 2012
12:26 pm
Braves “fans” jump off the ship almost as fast as Dawg “fans.” No wonder the Yankee FANS were so much louder than Braves “fans” in the series……because they were actually watching and understanding the game….while Braves “fans” were text messaging with two on and two out with a 3-2 count on Chipper Jones…..to ask what time is was.
Reminder: The Phillies are in last place. The Braves are currently in second place and are still good enough to end up there.
panamajack
June 17th, 2012
12:27 pm
bob didier
Pitch where?
Tampa Gator
June 17th, 2012
12:28 pm
Well said…..Buster Brave. You probably don’t text message at Braves games.
Tampa Gator
June 17th, 2012
12:29 pm
bgvt….
You obviously understand the game of baseball…..congrats on being a REAL Braves fan..
Tampa Gator
June 17th, 2012
12:31 pm
Sons of Rick Matula…..
Did you hear the 10,000 plus Yankee fans at the Braves games? They were a lot louder than the 25 to 30,000 Braves….some of which….were real fans of the Braves.
panamajack
June 17th, 2012
12:33 pm
Man there is so much s*it going on I don’t know what to think, need to sit back awhile and take it all in, whatever happens I hope it is all for the best, GO BRAVES!
Sons of Rick Matula
June 17th, 2012
12:36 pm
I’m not knocking Yankee fans, though Lord knows I am not one. But they kvetch as much as anyone on their blogs as we do here in the ATL. You don’t think they are already whining about why Texeira and Swisher can’t hit in the playoffs, blah blah blah.
What they do have is an organization with $$$ to spend.
Tampa Gator
June 17th, 2012
12:36 pm
Bravesfan (NOT)inWis……
Again….proof you are NO Braves fan. The Braves are far from stale…….great new, young shortstop (who will be an all-star starter very soon)……..great young 1B (with current injury issues)…..all-star 2B……retiring story of Chipper Jones…….one of the best CF in the NL……and a developing story with JHey in RF. Also….all star C. Yes…..they still need a power hitting LF….and a healthy pitching staff…….but they are far….far…..from state. But I know this……Wisconsin and the Brewers are as stale and the bad beer that is made there.
Ralph
June 17th, 2012
12:39 pm
First I think it going to be Teheran, but he’s hurt, then I think it’s going to be Medlen but they recall Redman so I think it’s going to be Redman then it turns out to be the worse decision possible, JJ, what the hell are they thinking>
JoeyBagOBravos
June 17th, 2012
12:40 pm
JJ is a proven MLB quantity that is shortly removed from his All Star 1st half last year. Yes, he got injured the end of last year and lost some velocity at the beginning of this year. But his velocity is now back where it needs to be and the Braves obviously like what they see or he wouldn’t be getting the start.
Jair is gamer and the added pressure will pick up his performance. Don’t be surprised if he has a stellar game on Friday.
Tampa Gator
June 17th, 2012
12:40 pm
Matula…..
The difference……Yankee fans show up in droves…..in Yankee Stadium and almost everywhere else……and cheer very loudly and enthusiastically…….and understand the game better than most fans….with exceptions being in St. Louis, Chicago, Philly, and Boston…..all of which have equal fans to the Yankees…..and they all moan and grown……but show up and cheer…..and pay attention at games…..and do NOT do the wave when their team has men on base in crucial situations.
NORRIS CHUCK
June 17th, 2012
12:41 pm
Nationals Designate Brad Lidge For Assignment
By Zach Links [June 17 at 10:50am CST]
The Nationals designated Brad Lidge for assignment, according to Amanda Comak of the Washington Times (via Twitter). Lidge has appeared in just 9.1 innings this year, allowing ten runs with ten strikeouts and eleven walks.
The reliever known as “Lights Out” gave up a two-run double to Mark Teixeira in the 14th inning of yesterday’s 5-3 loss to the Yankees. Lidge had just recently come off of a stint on the DL which kept him out of action from late April until June 8th. The 35-year-old has a career ERA of 3.54 with 11.9 K/9 and 4.3 BB/9.
My guess is, well we all know they will bring him in!
Ralph
June 17th, 2012
12:43 pm
If he does I will be surprised but I hope he does!
Tampa Gator
June 17th, 2012
12:43 pm
Ralph…..
Maybe……they are thinking…….that JJ has experience and the ability to pitch deep into games…..and they might be thinking……he is back as far as he is going to be……so let’s see if he can still pitch in the majors…..and then…..make a final decision on him. Or even…..maybe another team is interesting in trading for him but they want to see him pitch in the majors before pulling the trigger on a deal. Just my thinking.
Rob
June 17th, 2012
12:49 pm
I just hope Beachy comes back sooner than later…hate it for him and the Bravos.
Ralph
June 17th, 2012
12:51 pm
Tampa Gator
June 17th, 2012
12:43 pm
Man I don’t know what they are thinking, the last thing he did at Gwinette was walk the bases loded then give up a grand slam, whatever I hope for the teams sake he throws a no hitter then I WILL HAVE A DOUBLE HELPING OF MY FAVORITE MEAL,
Ralph
June 17th, 2012
12:51 pm
CROW THAT IS
Tampa Gator
June 17th, 2012
12:52 pm
Against the Yankees AAA farm club this week……
Redmond…..7 shutout innings and win.
JJ…….threw 5 straight shutout innings and then gave up 4 runs, including a HR, in the 6th.
I guess the Braves management liked what they saw in both Redmond and JJ.
Tampa Gator
June 17th, 2012
12:55 pm
Ralph…..
You conveniently left out those 5 shutout innings before that. P.S. Teheran only went 4 innings in his last start. He is obviously not ready (and is he hurt?), Also obvious…..the Braves need Medlen in the bullpen until Venters starts to pitch better and O’F gets healthy again. Of both of those guys were pitching and pitching well….Medlen would be pitching Friday night and JJ would still be schedule to pitch for G-Braves Friday night.
Liberty Mutual Whizkid
June 17th, 2012
12:57 pm
You folks don’t understand ownership. To us who do, the Atlanta Braves is not a baseball team. It is, more importantly, a tax write-off. Liberty is very pleased with our investment in the team. The worse it operates the bigger our write-off. Simple business.
Tampa Gator
June 17th, 2012
12:57 pm
Ralph….
If JJ goes out there and gives the Braves 5 or 6 good innings Friday night……3 to 4 runs…..then he has done his job. He is obviously not….and will not be again this year…..the JJ of last year (first half of last year at least).
Ralph
June 17th, 2012
12:58 pm
Tampa Gator-Guess your right!
Tampa Gator
June 17th, 2012
1:00 pm
Whizkid…..
That may be the most ignorant post of all on here today. Geez. Liberty has hardly any involvement in the team.,…except to establish budgets and expect Wren to operate within it. That is simple business. Even the Yankees are trying to do that now. Most teams are.
Ralph
June 17th, 2012
1:06 pm
Tampa Gator
You know because I think out loud that I am a hater, well the only thing I hate is losing, some guys just wave their pom poms and never act like anything is wrong, I tell it like I see it and most of the time I am wrong, so what?
Ralph
June 17th, 2012
1:06 pm
Tampa Gator
You know because I think out loud that I am a hater, well the only thing I hate is losing, some guys just wave their pom poms and never act like anything is wrong, I tell it like I see it and most of the time I am wrong, so what?
Shawn
June 17th, 2012
1:06 pm
As much as I hate to say this but its time to trade Bourne and see if we can get some help with pitching. As well as he is hitting we will never sign him so lets try and get something for him while we can. A #3 pitcher and a starting outfielder and a middle reliever. Any contenders have that to give up?
Tampa Gator
June 17th, 2012
1:08 pm
GO BRAVES…..from TAMPA BAY. Wish TBS still carried them. Where is Ted when you need him? Speaking of Ted….I got into a elevator with him when he visted the company I worked for and I had a short, but interesting conversation with him….many years ago when TBS was big and the Braves we not. He was strange even then….but brilliant. He told me…..”We are going places with this new venture (CNN)…..he was right. Then…..years later….he married Jane Fonda and got into Buffalo. He remains strange.
Tampa Gator
June 17th, 2012
1:12 pm
Ralph……
If you are truly thinking…..then you can’t go wrong in the end…..my grandpa taught me that when I was very young. Made sense then….and still does. Think….then act…..but never act and then think. Very wise instruction from him.
Steve
June 17th, 2012
1:15 pm
To answers some of the obvious questions/comments posted above for those who don’t see the big picture.
Why Redmond and not Teheran? Because it’s a short stint middle relief slot callup for one. The Braves won’t need a starter until Beachy’s next scheduled start. For another, Teheran was optioned back to Gwinnett on the 11th and he cannot be called up for 10 days by rule.
Why Jurrgens and not Teheran? The 10 days will be up and it will be for a start, but the Braves MUST find out what Jurrgens can do. Put simply, they own his rights thru next year and despite his struggles he will get a decent arbitration figure. They need to find out if they want to tender him or not .. and even if they have no plans to tender him they have to hope he can make a comeback so they can get something in trade. This is a ‘big picture’ callup.
Let’s also not forget Jurrgens should have been the All-Star game starter last year. He was that DOMINANT. Why is everyone so quick to give up on him?
Lastly, is Tood Redmond the best an organization with so much depth can muster? Maybe not, but he is available and fits the middle/long relief role nicely. Plus he is in his fifth year with the Braves system. I am not sure of the qualifications for the Rule 5 draft, but he might be another guy they try to move or risk losign him for nothing .. and there ARE some organizations where he would likely make the starting rotation. If he pitches well we might keep him up and send Varvaro back down .. as he obviously still has control issues.
Mike
June 17th, 2012
1:16 pm
“Jurrjens problems seem mental. In Gwinnett w/bases empty – 1:09 ERA/36 IP; runners on – 11.19 ERA/23 1/3 IP; runners in scoring position – 21.60 ERA/11 2/3 IP.”
You are kidding right? ofcourse he has a higher era with runners on. the only way he can give up a run with bases empty is a solo homerun
Sweet Old Buck
June 17th, 2012
1:16 pm
AUDITION TIME! Pitch well JJ, the Sox have some prospects that the Braves could use.
Liberty Mutual Whizkid
June 17th, 2012
1:19 pm
Tampa Gator…..Like I said, it’s simple business. As to our involvement in the team, we own it and we control it.
Largo
June 17th, 2012
1:23 pm
It’s pretty difficult to be positive with the way things are going.
Tweet
June 17th, 2012
1:31 pm
Wren will trade our top prospects now for a washed up pitcher
slugger
June 17th, 2012
1:40 pm
DOB – Check out this bomb from Tim Smith (fmr teammate of mine).
http://www.milb.com/multimedia/vpp.jsp?content_id=22217813
He’s off to a good start in Mississippi, and he’s one of the best teammates/guys I’ve ever played with.
He literally hit it out of the stadium.
I can see him getting the call this year, especially since he had a solid AA campaign with KC over the past two years.
Exciting times!
Ralph
June 17th, 2012
1:43 pm
Steve
June 17th, 2012
1:15 pm
Teheran was not recalled because he is hurt, they can recall him to replace an injured player, 10 day rule does not allpy.
Ralph
June 17th, 2012
1:54 pm
Enter your comments here
Ralph
June 17th, 2012
1:54 pm
BALL GAME
Mister Frisky
June 17th, 2012
1:58 pm
Game Ova!Pool time.
Dirty Dawg
June 17th, 2012
2:06 pm
By the time this is posted surely someone will have corrected the headline from the main page on this…Beachy’s not a left-hander.
Dirty Dawg
June 17th, 2012
2:07 pm
OK, it’s not the headline, it’s the lead-in…
RWill
June 17th, 2012
2:12 pm
To anyone thinking McDowell’s at fault: What exactly has he done to cause these injuries? The National’s pitching coach is highly regarded right now. Is he responsible for Strasburg’s and Jordan Zimmerman’s injuries? Will he be responsible when one of those two go down again and when Gio Gonzalez goes down? How about the Giants’ pitching coach? Is he responsible when Lincecum and Cain go down? Was Mazzone responsible for Smotlz’s injuries? Wholers? Avery? It all comes back to mechanics that were developed long before they got to this level. Beachy, Smoltz, Strasburg, Gio Gonzalez, Arodys Vizcaino, Medlen, etc all have bad mechanics developed years ago. Yes, they could work to change them before they get injured (and should), but then you’re practically committing to a long struggling process anyway. Better to blame scouts who don’t recognize the bad mechanics before drafting these guys.
Ralph
June 17th, 2012
2:14 pm
Double play time!
Ralph
June 17th, 2012
2:17 pm
What did I say!
Ralph
June 17th, 2012
2:20 pm
This team is really bad.
TBbravesfan
June 17th, 2012
2:22 pm
they play ABC ball we play DP ball
ncbravesfan
June 17th, 2012
2:24 pm
Braves can’t get out of their own way these days. Sinking ship.
TBbravesfan
June 17th, 2012
2:29 pm
If we had some offense along with this defense we might win
ncbravesfan
June 17th, 2012
2:31 pm
Braves rarely have good pitching, good hitting and good defense in the same game. Inconsistency is their middle name.
TBbravesfan
June 17th, 2012
2:31 pm
If we don’t get homeruns we don’t get no runs
bigdawg
June 17th, 2012
2:44 pm
RWill, you don’t know what the he!! you talking about..give it a break. I’ve read that same blog before.
mpimentel
June 17th, 2012
2:46 pm
What about keep bourn and re-sign mccann with the same or less amount of monney dlowe and chipper are receiving this season??….any update about beachy I’m very concern about him!!..does freddy freman still want to play in major league??? I starting to belive that excusses have to be his new nickname…SO SILLY boy!!!!
BrandonLee49
June 17th, 2012
2:50 pm
let’s give Redmond the benefit of the doubt, at this juncture a Question mark is Better than what we already know… No Matter Who is on the Mound, If The Braves can’t HIT , they’ll never win… The sticks are the Key, here…
RWill
June 17th, 2012
2:51 pm
@bigdawg: What part don’t you understand? What part doesn’t make sense? Glad to see you brought a well thought out rebuttal to my post though. I truly have met my match now I guess…
SOS Braves
June 17th, 2012
2:59 pm
My God this team just plain SUX!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Fire that fool manager
SOS Braves
June 17th, 2012
3:00 pm
Come on US Open so I can stop watching this pitiful team.
TBbravesfan
June 17th, 2012
3:02 pm
will we ever score again in 2012?
TBbravesfan
June 17th, 2012
3:11 pm
doe’ s anybody know what time it is
TBbravesfan
June 17th, 2012
3:13 pm
well it was not a dp.
jim
June 17th, 2012
3:22 pm
Yet another instance of Bourn on first and Prado at bat and no movement. MAKE SOMETHING HAPPEN!! Play hit and run!!! Prado can handle the bat, don’t wait for something to happen.
chuck
June 17th, 2012
3:23 pm
That was NOT a double. Diaz is a butcher out there.
tmc
June 17th, 2012
3:27 pm
i agree jim. When the bats are hot, i get not forcing the issue. But when we haven’t scored in 16-17 innings it’s beyond time to push the issue and RUN!
How many times have you been watching the game with Bourn on 1st, Prado at the plate…. and nothing. Not even an attempt to steal 2nd.
C’mon Fredi! quit sitting on your hands and force the run game.
Tweet
June 17th, 2012
3:31 pm
This is the most boring team in all of baseball
Dan uggla is a complete waste
Matt diaz plays leftfield for this team,,,REALLY.???
BORING BORING BORING!!!
tmc
June 17th, 2012
3:31 pm
Heyward should be running here.
Tweet
June 17th, 2012
3:32 pm
TIME TO GET RID OF LAUREL N HARDY
AKA
MCDOWELL AND GONZALEZ
DawgNole
June 17th, 2012
3:35 pm
Eric
June 17th, 2012
10:45 am
Can you people be positive?!?!?
____________________
One championship in nearly half a century and we’re supposed to be “positive”?
Can you be realistic?
DawgNole
June 17th, 2012
3:38 pm
The Bravenator
June 17th, 2012
12:03 pm
The Braves have enough talent to win. The problem is a third base coach disguised as a terrible manager and an inept coaching staff. How long did Leo go as pitching coach with no arm problems? He’s probably available, but on the outs with the current management which, BTW, is about the worst in baseball. Couple that with inept and disinterested ownership and the reason for this disaster in-the-making is obvious.
__________________________
True, except for the “in the making” part. This disaster was made long ago–and simply continues from season to season in one form or another.
DawgNole
June 17th, 2012
3:41 pm
Herb Bell
June 17th, 2012
12:05 pm
Wake up you old farts who spew nothing but criticism and hate. It’s just a game. and those who participate are trying their best to improve and do their best.
______________________
“It’s”just a game”? Then why keep score?
“It’s just a game”? That’s what losers say.
jim
June 17th, 2012
3:42 pm
Well we’ll have Jack Wilson to hit for Delgado in the bottom of the inning.
DawgNole
June 17th, 2012
3:43 pm
BravesfaninWis
June 17th, 2012
12:19 pm
Moot point, the Braves are done. They can’t play at a high enough level for a consistent amount of time to be considered for a playoff run. Hopefully with the Derek Lowe and Chipper Jones money coming off the books next season the Braves can actually lure a few “real” players to come to Atlanta. Put Prado at 3rd base permanently, and go out and sign or trade for a legit power hitting LF.
I am a realist however, and know the Braves are to f’n cheap to do something like that. Then they wonder why attendance is down? People are sick of seeing a stale product, and that is exactly what the Braves are.
________________________
Sounds eerily like the Hawks, Falcons, Thrashers, Flames, etc.
Who Me?
June 17th, 2012
3:43 pm
6 hits, no runs through 8 innings. Can you say “we suck”?
tmc
June 17th, 2012
3:44 pm
not trying to be negative, but i don’t understand having a premier lead-off hitter who is a premier base stealer. Who is hitting .314 w/ an OBP .364 and several long hitting streaks (i believe career long, but not sure)…
And…. he’s got 17 stolen bases in 66 games.
If we’re not going to use him then maybe we don’t deserve him? (signing as a free agent) i hope we do sign him, but if we as fans are frustrated with him not running. You can bet the house he’s frustrated too.
jim
June 17th, 2012
3:44 pm
Leo HAD pitchers with arm problems. For a partial list see my post on page 1.
DawgNole
June 17th, 2012
3:46 pm
Sons of Rick Matula
June 17th, 2012
12:25 pm
If you want cheerleaders, read Chop Talk (is it still being published?)
All fans grouse. Have you read the Yankee’s blog and they’ve won 27 times.
Only one team’s fan base is happy after the WS. It’s sports. It’s not life.
If you don’t like the comments – pro or con the Braves – have a nice day.
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Solid perspective.
jim
June 17th, 2012
3:48 pm
With McCann, Freeman, and even Hinske on the bench, Fredi uses Francisco to pinch hit in the 8th (or use as a decoy to get Wilson up there.)
tmc
June 17th, 2012
3:48 pm
Bourn should be running here.
2 outs.. try to get into scoring position to steal a run.
we’ll see.
Ralph
June 17th, 2012
3:49 pm
Delgado is a much better hitter than Wilson!
tmc
June 17th, 2012
3:50 pm
this team has a MAJOR hole in it’s lineup…
Right handed hitting off the bench.
Throw Ross in the starting lineup and it’s even worse.
Wilson and Diaz suck. simple as that.
tmc
June 17th, 2012
3:51 pm
not even an attempt to run by Bourn…
frustrating.
Ralph
June 17th, 2012
3:52 pm
When will they wake up and realize that Prado can’t hit with Boun on 1st base??????????????
DawgNole
June 17th, 2012
3:53 pm
Tampa Gator
June 17th, 2012
12:26 pm
Braves “fans” jump off the ship almost as fast as Dawg “fans.” . . .
Reminder: The Phillies are in last place. The Braves are currently in second place and are still good enough to end up there.
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Good enough to end up in second place?
Are we supposed to be excited about that?
jim
June 17th, 2012
3:54 pm
Here we go again. Will Fredi try to force the action?
jim
June 17th, 2012
3:54 pm
NO
Bronke
June 17th, 2012
3:55 pm
Just hoping. Only hoping that Fredi G will be fired. Please make it happen Mr. wren. This team needs a lightning rod where the sun doesn’t shine. Looks like the Nats and Mets might get swept.
GaryinBham
June 17th, 2012
4:00 pm
Our team is great sometimes, awful sometimes, too young in some parts and too old in others. We are still trying to develop a lot of guys. The young pitchers are coming along. I think Delgado and Minor grew up the last few weeks. Good thing, with Beachy gone. A lot of unknowns, and an offense that is great sometimes, but terrible at scoring when we are under the gun, and especially against pitchers nobody has heard of. Hammels one hitting us? Chen? Wow.
My assessment is a lot to look forward to but not likely much this year. We should have a winning season. Thought we’d make the playoffs but I’m not so confident at the moment. Our bench is pretty weak, nobody really coming through. Bullpen vulnerable. Still one missing a hitter with pop.
So, who can say? It’ll be an interesting second half. If Jason, Freddie and Mac can hit big the second half we might have a chance. I don’t see us taking division. Talent is there but the willpower isn’t.
Dr.Braves
June 17th, 2012
4:11 pm
Consider me on the Fire Fredi bandwagon.
Bronke
June 17th, 2012
4:13 pm
Time to start wearing the paper bags over the head in Atlanta. Gutless and heartless effort. This kind of baseball would not be tolerated by the Yankeesor other winning franchises. And at home none the less
jim
June 17th, 2012
4:13 pm
No left-handed pinch hitter for Diaz?
tmc
June 17th, 2012
4:18 pm
There are 2 things worse than a team not hitting or producing runs.
One, is a manager who sits back and doesn’t create situations to help his team out of a slump.
Two, is a GM who doesn’t make moves to help his team out in trouble times.
We definitely have the first one… the second is still up in the air.
Sons of Rick Matula
June 17th, 2012
4:19 pm
In the words of Chipper, “Flush it.” The game? No, the year
bob didier
June 17th, 2012
4:24 pm
Fredi: Good decisions. Does not use the supposedly hot hitting McCann. Uses Jack Wilson in a 2 run deficit game and Jack, on the fist pitch decides to try to bunt. Jack, we are down by 2, can’t afford to give up an out. You don’t have enough speed to beat one out.
O’F arm probably will be sore again. Why not DL him until he is checked by a real doctor? Why not DL Beachy before this happened? Why not DL FF? He doesn’t want to play, just as Heyward didn’t want to, lst year when injured.
We need a complete roster. Heck, bring up Mejia at 1B. Bring up Constanza. They at least want to play.
Wasted Francisco for Jack Wilson. Does that tell you how bad Francisco is?
Fire Fredi and Wren. Baltimore took years to recover after Wren. Will he do the same thing to the Braves?
Ranger
June 17th, 2012
4:26 pm
If Liberty Media would eliminate the budget for bats then we would not have to worry about hitting into double plays.
Ranger
June 17th, 2012
4:27 pm
No clue offensively on this team. Not sure what to do, but if you don’t try to score you just ain’t gonna win.
Brave Hokie
June 17th, 2012
4:31 pm
Heartless, Gutless, Clueless Impotent LOSERS….
Why didn’t you just take the whole w/e off?
I hope the skankees and Red Sox kick you in your fat faces and sweep the season away for you.
Welcome to LOSERVILLE
Ranger
June 17th, 2012
4:38 pm
Hokie. Do you think the Yankees will use there first team, or just let the starters get one at bat to get a run and then let the ushers and tne vendors play? Regarding the Bosox there are about as mucked up in the headbone as the Braves. Should be a pretty goofy series.
wolf
June 17th, 2012
4:43 pm
This is a FIRST for me as a baseball fan for over 60 years. I have NEVER advocated for a manager to be fired during a season, and only a few times have I wanted a manager fired after a season, HOWEVER, Fredi needs to go. He had a VERY mediocre playing career in the low minors. With some very intelligent guys with excellent “baseball minds” and leadership abilities, a mediocre playing career is not a handicap. Sadly, Fredi is just not that intelligent and seemingly lacks leadership abilities. No doubt, he was and could again be a hard-wroking and successful COACH, but not a manager. True, the Braves would still have the same players with a new manager, but a change can be beneficial. In the military, I saw cases where a CO was transferred and a new CO came in–and with the same troops, there was a different atmosphere, different expectations, and higher morale, leading to improved performance. I wish Fredi the best, know he would get another baseball job, but he needs to be given a handshake and sent on his way VERY soon.
pulling for M.Oudin
June 17th, 2012
4:45 pm
… and a hearty congratulations to MELANIE OUDIN at Wimbledon!
it appears she’s solidly growing into a tennis champion by beating
top ranked players all in a row all of whom undoubtedly came ready
to take on the best…..
pulling for ya MELLO!!!!
Whiskey River
June 17th, 2012
4:51 pm
Thats 6 out of 7. What are Yankees going to do to us? Massacre time
Derek
June 17th, 2012
4:55 pm
This a joke, right? Teheran can’t come up because of back troubles and now we have to rely on Jurrjens? Really? None of the vets are coming through – Jones is forever day-to-day, McCann can’t string 1 good series together, Uggla goes through bouts. The most disappointing is that it doesn’t seem like ATL really gets the most of their top prospects. Yes, there are baby prospects that make it big (Beachy, Medlen, Kimbrel, Delgado), but some of the vaunted prospects (Heyward, Teheran) keep not fulfilling their great expectations. All the while, Melky Cabrera looks like the kind of guy we desperately need in SF.
Mr Wren
June 17th, 2012
4:57 pm
I can not go down for this. I can not go down for this. I am not going down for a bunch of wuss mfkers.
Felix
June 17th, 2012
5:27 pm
Glad I didn’t pay to see that today. The team is a mess right now. Now they head to Yankee stadium for what will probably be another beat down by the Yanks. They are playing at about the same level as a single A team.
D.A. Nuggla
June 17th, 2012
5:30 pm
The other day when I was making an issue of the Braves leaving so many on base, there was those on here saying it was no big deal. One poster even said it wasn’t important, that what counted was the runs that scored. Well, DUH! One said the highest scoring teams usually had the most LOBs. I was trying to find the total LOBs for the Braves this year on either MLB, Baseball Research, or the Braves site but could find no column for it. I was thinking the Braves maybe were on course to set a record. After today, with 13 LEFT ON BASE, and none scored, I wouldn’t be at all surprised but what they lead the league. I wonder if those that said it was not important the other day still think so after today. 13, that’s THIRTEEN left on base today! That is pathetic! The O’s only had 5 LOBs and scored 2 runs. If you are leaving a dozen men on base and not scoring don’t tell me that is not an important stat! Well, DUH, DUH, and DUH again! Some of you I worry about! (Probably the same ones who think FG is doing a great job!)
Braves Hitters
June 17th, 2012
5:32 pm
The trouble with getting hits is then you have to run to first base; or even worse, if you have an extra base hit then you have to run past first.
Whiskey River
June 17th, 2012
5:36 pm
@D.A.Nuggla You are absolutely correct. One thing that I noticed lately is as soon as the get someone on base they start swinging for the fences. The opposing pitcher starts throwing them junk like the change or curve, The swing from the heels and that is why KO’s and men left on base.What do you think? BTW Happy Fathers day if you are one. I used to be but lost her. I sure miss her bad.
Done
June 17th, 2012
5:41 pm
How Bout dem Braves! LMFAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
D.A. Nuggla
June 17th, 2012
6:01 pm
“WR”, Thanks, and you are correct also. We agree, and seem to be the only ones on here with any logic and common sense. I am very sorry for your loss, that must be terrible. Yes, I am a Father, and don’t know how I would deal with what you are going through. Hopefully you had some good times together and can focus on that. Keep ya chin up!
iTiSi
June 17th, 2012
6:13 pm
Wonder if the Braves pitching in the series will be blamed for the fact they only scored a TOTAL of 4 runs against the O’s? That’s 4, FOUR, runs in 27 innings, with 33, that’s THIRTY-THREE left on base. One would think you just accidentally score 4 runs without even trying! This manager does not have a clue as to how to manufacture runs, like with bunts, stolen bases, hit and run, etc. Makes you wonder how he ever got this far? Must have friends in “high places”!
jim
June 17th, 2012
6:17 pm
DA Nuggla,
I think the O’s only had 2 men LOB today. One in the ninth and maybe one other They had nobody left on base in first 6 innings. Braves had the followings ABs: 1 – 4, 1- 4, 0-3, 0 -4, 1-4, 1-3, 1-3, 2-3, 0- 3 — all 7 singles + 1 walk, with 3 DPs that equates to 5 LOB. Not hitting with men on base has been a problem of late, but over the last two games the problems has been not hitting to even get on base.
Whiskey River
June 17th, 2012
6:22 pm
@ D.A. Nuggla Thanks for the condolences. It hurts but will be OK. In 2005 My Wife and daughter were killed in auto accident. It was Fathers Day.
jim
June 17th, 2012
6:24 pm
33 left on base in this series? There were 5 today + 4 yesterday that leaves 24 men LOB in the first game. They squandered some opportunities in that game, but did not have 24 men LOB — not even close. The Braves are not hitting period — in the clutch or even to set up an inning. We can complain about the lack of hitting but get the facts straight and don’t make wild claims about how many men have been LOB.
Nerdville
June 17th, 2012
6:25 pm
Just like I thought, another long losing stretch. This team is now headed down to 4th or 5th place to stay. Beachy is probably done and headed for surgery. So now the Braves, who already had pitching concerns, are down to one (at best two) reliable starter(s). It is over folks. They are done already.
jim
June 17th, 2012
6:27 pm
My condolences Whiskey River. You have a lot more to trouble your thoughts on Father’s Day than the play of the Braves.
jim
June 17th, 2012
6:32 pm
Nerdville,
Hanson has been solid if he stays healthy, and Delgado has been pretty reliable, but doesn’t get any runs to work with — today was at least the third time the team has been shut out when he pitches. By this time next year, if not sooner (and if he stays healthy), Delgado will be our ace.
Whiskey River
June 17th, 2012
6:33 pm
Thanks jim. I am going to bid you adieu and see you tommorow. Good nite all and have a Happy Fathers Day.
Nerdbucket Moylan
June 17th, 2012
6:41 pm
Why doesn’t Fredi move Andrelton up in the order? he’s been one of our hottest hitters lately. Why is Jack Wilson even on the team? Easy call on Francisco too. A useless OBP producer and waste of a roster spot. Wren wasted $1m guaranteed on Livan buffet Hernandez too. desperately need new management
TennesseePaul
June 17th, 2012
7:04 pm
Hoping for the best Beachy!
Pretty stoked for Redmond. That’s cool for him. Hope he gets the chance and does well.
GO BRAVES!!
D.A. Nuggla
June 17th, 2012
7:46 pm
“Jim” careful about admonishing someone without checking the facts. I always do before I post something and open my mouth and look like a fool. Do you think I just pulled the number “33″ out of the air without checking first. If you will kindly go to MLB and check the boxscores, AS I DID, you will see it says the Braves left 15 on base on the 15th(1st game), 5 on base on the 16th(2nd game) and 13 on base today. I can even add that in my head, IT’s 33, even if you add it backwards or forward. Look over the cliff before you leap next time! An apology is forthcoming I am sure. Oh, the column you look under in the boxscore is LOB!
gotigers72
June 17th, 2012
8:45 pm
Unless Fredi is canned before or at the All Star break, the Braves are destined for 4th place in their division. Wren needs to go also. Moves like picking up ragarms from the dustbin [Livan this year, Proctor last year, etc., etc., etc.] have not worked AND WILL NEVER WORK! Yet Wren continues to make said moves, year after year, after year.
Nelson
June 17th, 2012
8:59 pm
As far as I know an MRI cost between $500-$800, and a MLB good arm like Beachy’s cost millions, they should perform that test last week when he felt the disconfort, don’t you think so?
Profiler
June 17th, 2012
10:56 pm
Fredi….what an idiot! Without a medical background, just hope that he’ll be back in 15-20 days.
Profiler
June 17th, 2012
10:58 pm
Exactly, Nelson.
luigi
June 17th, 2012
10:59 pm
Braves should become sellers ASAP. This team is toxic. Build the team around Heyward, Freeman, Kimbel Simmons, Minor, Beachy,Delgado, Teheran. Would like to keep Bourne but it ain’t going to happen It’s too late Can you imagine Wren negotiating with Boris). Too bad 90’s Braves showed us strong defense up the middle wins consistently. Give me an A. Jones, a Furcal, 2 decent (not great) starters a better than average closer and we will win 90 games. Braves have got a lot of the parts but Wren does not even know it. Move bourne and dare I say McCann asap. Don’t wait till the deadline(value diminishes too much) YES, I did say McCann. The guy is slow and getting slower is decining defensively(not as if he was a bit better than average. Watch his footwork. It is as bad as it gets. Watch how long it takes him to get out of the croutch(forever). 6 time all-star signed through 2013 at a modest salary would bring a huge huge huge huge return now. Other teams will want him for 1 or 2 years and will pay a high price. 2012 is gone. 2013 is probably gone. Lowes $10M comes off payroll along with C.Jones $15M. The scouting staff and the baseball guys have gone to the Nationals(ande now on to LA), Tampa Bay etc.etc. Wren probably is not up to the task. Cox is still the best judge of talent in the organization. We should only hope he would give us 2 more years of guiding player personell.
SidSlid
June 18th, 2012
12:54 am
Yes “Chop Talk” is great for those who want cheerleading, as well as the Braves post game show, which looks like something a high school journalism class would produce. Today, the one tweet they read over the air was “Great job by Delgado!”
Kharma
June 18th, 2012
8:12 am
I know all the unnecessary pitching injuries are nice fodder for reporters and fans but I wonder at what point owners say….enough.
Don
June 18th, 2012
9:16 am
Surprise – Surprise – Surprise
It goes ON and ON and ON and ON
FOUR of our FIVE Starting Pitchers from last year were COMMING OF INJURIES.
AND now BEACHY.
And this is just the TIP OF THE ICEBERG.
Of all the LARGE NUMBER of different STARTING PITCHERS that the Braves have had in the SIX or SEVEN YEARS since LEO LEFT as Pitching Coach, almost EVERY ONE has ended up being injured.
The Braves chances of being a CHAMPIONSHIP TEAM has been and is being DESTROYED for YEARS TO COME.
Most of these recently were YOUNG, GREAT, ESTABLISHED PITCHERS – AND NOW ——–
Mr. O’BRIEN — FOR CRYING OUT LOUD, how can you and the other writers not ADDRESS THIS.
This is probably the MOST SIGNIFICANT THING in the HISTORY of the Braves Team or for and OTHER MAJOR LEAGUE TEAM.
Ebenezer Snerdberg
June 18th, 2012
9:27 am
Slept in today. Did they fire Havana Fats yet?
Whiskey River
June 18th, 2012
9:45 am
Good morning Ebenezer No firin yet. This is Monday so you know what that means. We lose again,again,again and again.
kip gary
June 18th, 2012
1:32 pm
Somewhere in the hopefully not to distant future. Braves score Braves Score Braves Score!
Goliath
June 18th, 2012
1:54 pm
Here’s the best quote about JJ,”He’s 3-4 with a 5.27 ERA in nine starts for Gwinnett. He’ll likely throw a couple of innings one day early this week in Gwinnett to stay sharp”. Oh yes, have to stay sharp, keep that 5.27 ERA and losing record sharpness. Hate to see what his ERA will be if he’s not sharp.
Bo
June 18th, 2012
1:56 pm
All this talk about Pitching. We now 20+ innings w/o scoring a single run. Were should priorities be?
Alaska Braves Fan
June 18th, 2012
2:05 pm
It seems we’re seeing on these AJC blogs the same kind of polarization our whole country is experiencing. Some become highly angry and condemning when the Braves – or any one Brave – struggle, and others of attempt to maintain the balance by expressing only the positive side of the matter. It would be more constructive, and much more fun, if we could express our concerns and our encouragement in terms that don’t imply we should ship the entire team off to Somalia.
Clearly the Braves have some serious issues right now. Beachy’s arm has to rank as a huge concern, and when combined with JJ’s problems this year, our starting rotation has floundered. Nonetheless, the newest guys, Minor and Delgado, have been coming on. If those two, Hudson, Hanson, and perhaps Medlen can perform at the levels we usually expect of them, the team will be quite competitive. Of course, that assumes the offense produces some runs.
The inconsistency of our run production is baffling. Are we as good as it seems we should be? (I know; that’s not a well-constructed question, but I think you understand.) McCann, Freeman, and Chipper all have been question marks, in different ways. What the answer is to improve, I don’t know, but I do have high hopes because I see talented guys on the field. Uggla has tailed off a bit lately, but Heyward and Simmons are stepping up. Even Diaz seems to be on a roll.
Only time will tell for sure, but we could be only a few days away from another long winning streak. As for the business/money side of things: It is what it is, and as long as we live in a free market economy, fans have no say-so with regard to the behaviors of team owners.
ABF
Roja
June 18th, 2012
2:08 pm
Where the Braves will be in a week…???? Well, three weeks ago we lost 8 straight and we are STILL IN SECOND PLACE in the NL East and we are still in the Post-Season as the second Wild Card.
We could be 9 games out like the phabulous fillies… or we could be 3 games out in the Wild Card Race like the World Champion Cardinals…. or we could be 16.5 games out like the Cubs
Roja
June 18th, 2012
2:10 pm
Hey “Whiskey River” You say “We lose again,again,again and again”
Sounds like YOU are not a part of “WE”!!!
Whiskey River
June 18th, 2012
2:11 pm
You could also be 9 games ahead, Quit drinking the koolaid. We don’t want any.
Whiskey River
June 18th, 2012
2:12 pm
At least I am not living in Fantasy land
a fan
June 18th, 2012
3:25 pm
Dis any of you experts consider if JJ is effective next week and the few other starts he could make before July’s deadline only good can come of it, either they trade him or another started for the bat they need.
If he bombs he’s DFA anyway. Not much to lose except the Boston game.
a fan
June 18th, 2012
3:28 pm
No whiskey,perhaps you are drinking something else, NEGATIVE.
Whiskey River
June 18th, 2012
3:36 pm
I wish I could. Call my AA counselor and ask him.
Flyin South
June 18th, 2012
3:53 pm
I KNEW this was going to happen to Beachy before he threw his FP Saturday. The jackass mentality dominates the Braves clubhouse. DOPE THE INJURY and PLAY HURT or be called a cry baby. The young guys have EVERYTHING to loose by playing hurt. Beachy should have waited. I bet you the farm that he has messed his elbow up and will be out the remainder of the season. GUYS – when you have an injury and have it repaired…it TAKES a WHILE to heal. LET IT. DON’t fall victum to the work horse demand. Moylan played the ‘hero’ and his career is DONE for. So, you allow yourself time to heal and get back in the groove and the Braves get pissed…what is the worst that can happen? I think we ALL know the answer to THIS question. I hope the best for Brandon Beachy and I hope Jurrjens KICKS ASS on Friday.
Alaska Braves Fan
June 18th, 2012
4:03 pm
Flyin South: What you wrote makes sense; still, the nature of those ligaments is that if one is going, you could nurse it forever, and it still will tear the next time it’s stressed. If it’s going to go, the sooner the better because then a young guy like Beachy can have the surgery and get back. Then he may pitch for years with no further problems. That’s sort of the approach I’m taking with my knees. I could sit around, and they would get no better. So, I use them, and when they wear out, I’ll have the surgery. Meanwhile, I’m staying fit and may actually live a bit longer.
ABF
Ralph
June 18th, 2012
4:09 pm
Doesn’t matter what kind of arm you have starting or in the bullpen, if you don’t score any runs your not going to win, quit worring about the pitching and get us a couple of hitters.
Ralph
June 18th, 2012
4:14 pm
This blog is a War between the kool-aiders and the Haters, kind of like the Hatfields and McCoys. I have been called a hater but i’m really just a Doubter. GO BRAVES
Ralph
June 18th, 2012
4:16 pm
Whiskey River
June 18th, 2012
2:12 pm
At least I am not living in Fantasy land
Welcome back.
Whiskey River
June 18th, 2012
4:29 pm
Lol RALPH
BravesfaninWis
June 18th, 2012
5:02 pm
I hope Beachy doesn’t need Tommy John surgery, but Fredi Gonzalez can’t use his injury as an excuse. Fredi sucks as a manager and that has shown in his collapse in both Florida and Atlanta. He needs to be fired at seasons end, and this team needs a new direction. Screw Gonzalez, screw Liberty Media, and screw the direction this team is headed. The fans and this team deserve better.
Whiskey River
June 18th, 2012
5:08 pm
WOW Very well said. I agree.
Flyin South
June 18th, 2012
5:57 pm
There is a reason FG is despised by Marlin fans, players and m’ment. He has a history of disrespecting some players while allowing others a get out of jail free card. He allowed Mike Minor a RIDICULOUS amount of ‘chances’ while giving last years All Star 4 starts and then banishes him to AAA pergatory and publically humilates him to hell and back. CJones is allowed to play per game patty cake while Marteen Prado is bounced from pillar to post…Alas, I digress. Not only are the fans mortified and confused, I believe the teams morale is FRIED. DAMN I MISS BOBBY COX.
Ralph
June 18th, 2012
5:59 pm
Any word on Teheran’s back injury?
BravesfaninWis
June 18th, 2012
8:04 pm
Exactly why the Braves won’t amount to jack crap this year. They have completely forgot to hit with men in scoring position with less than 2 outs. Think Minor will continue to keep these Yankees at bay? Those wasted opportunities will come back to bite them in the ass in this game just like it has all year so far. This team is clearly the Kings at choking.
BravesfaninWis
June 18th, 2012
8:30 pm
Told you, the flood gates are about to open. This team couldn’t hold a lead to save their lives. They could mess up a wet dream.
BravesfaninWis
June 18th, 2012
8:41 pm
Lol. What a useless f’n team. That’s what happens when a scared little boy faces a real team. Maybe if the Braves could do with 2 outs what every team they play against does to them, they would win some games. Oh how I wish the team that I have followed for 30 years would be like other teams, and not the cheap ass useless team they are. Why be a fan of a team with no heart?
Joe
June 18th, 2012
8:51 pm
I damn don’t miss Bobby..fredi’ is just like him. Thats one of the main problems.
John S should make Frank Wren manage the team because he thought it was so good. It would be interesting to see Wren trying to manage. lol
The Fat lady is singing!!!!
Joe
June 18th, 2012
8:58 pm
The Braves are in deep sh*#..they have no pitchers to call up. The farm system don’t have any ready and the ML team has all injuries…Guess they’ll call up McCurry who they just bought from Padras minor A team. They don’t have anything to trade…
BravesfaninWis
June 18th, 2012
8:59 pm
Pathetic. Pretty sad when you have more faith in your team choking than winning. Had a no hitter to start the 5th inning and with 1 out in the 6th inning they are down by 2. About what to expect from this team. As soon as they give up the lead they just roll over and play dead and give up. They should call themselves the Atlanta Possums. That would be more fitting for these guys. Can’t wait until Chipper is gone, Gonzalez gets fired, McDowell gets fired, and Liberty Media sells the team. Maybe then this team will be relevant again. Until then they will be a bunch of losers.
luigi
June 19th, 2012
9:42 am
Braves used to have an air of confidence almost arrogance. Florida Fatboy and Wren have screwed up this whole deal. The air about them is we would like to win, not we will win. Field leadership does not exist. C Jones. HE IS OUT OF HERE and goes through the motions every 3 out of 5 days. McCann is not Charismatic and appears to be challallenged intellectually. no leadership= no wins. FF is not a leader and proves the Marlins knew something the Braves(wren) did not.
Flyin South
June 19th, 2012
11:21 am
TOLD YA SO. Riddle me this? WHY didn’t they allow Beachy the MRI BEFORE he pitched on Sat and tore his elbow apart? BECUASE THEY DON’T GIVE A SHI* about their PLAYERS.