When I saw the headline, I thought OMG, they’ve called up Mark Redman. (Braves 2007 0-4, 11.63 ERA). Don’t laugh, Wren might have the guy’s name in his rolodex.
Elbows don’t just ‘get better’…Tommy John…and Redmond has been pitching as good or better than the our other ‘arms’. If he doesn’t get er done then well see somebody else. Either way, no way we’re gonna ‘get better’.
Don’t worry MD. Fredi is working under a make the playoffs or adios edict. Injuries won’t save him. He’s becoming the Ray Goff of managers. The front office knows the fan base can’t stand him and they would love to can him but he keeps winning enough to hold on. If Fredi is the fallguy and Wren stays – bad news.
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Sons of Rick: you do realize how the braves acquired Beachy right? Does that mean he shouldn’t be in the bigs since he wasn’t drafted ? Who gives a damn how Redmond was acquired, he’s pitched well in his minor league career and the FO needs to see what they do or don’t have in him, he deserves his shot he’s earned it. So pointless to mention how they got him, really seems like people here btch just for the sake of btching. How you go through life with such a negative outlook is really depressing. Learn some baseball before you write a guy off bc how he was “acquired”.
I think I know baseball fairly well but I’ll defer to your genius. Still, I don’t care how they were drafted, it’s how they are progressing. Undrafted, Beachy started pro-ball in 2009 and made MLB in 2011. Kudos to the Braves scouting. On the other hand, Redmond was drafted in 2004 but the Pirates gave up on him. The Pirates! The Braves were eager to dump Tyler Yates. Maybe Redmond has found something but this callup won’t lead sports center.
Anolther terriable decision by Wren, Redman isn’t worth a s*it at AAA, This is about the last straw for me, I am about to give up on this team. What can you do, the team isn’t performing because Sherholtz wont fire Wren who won’t fire Fredi. Wren conldn’t find anything in the Dumpster so he brings up this garbage.
Chipper, you can’t go every day, make room for Prado at third full time, retire now and focus on your kids (appropo foe Father’s Day) since you are going through a divorce (for which I’m sorry, would not wish that on anyone). The kids come first. Plus this is one time you do NOT want to be making a lot of $$.
Then maybe Wren will find us SOMEONE to play everyday LF. Love you Diaz, but…
Freeman, ice and flex the heck out of that finger, we need you in lineup (and definitely in field) BAD!
Beachy, get well soon. Very soon. Hope MRI is negative and you just need to be introduced to Mr. Cortisone.
Bourn, Prado, Uggla, Mac – continued good health. Simmons, keep it up, kid. J-Hey, keep finding that consistent stroke, you’re good for your numbers.
Can you people be positive?!?!? You care to read this so you obviously are fans! Root for your team! Yes our manager is a clown, but those are the cards we were dealt. It’s June and the team is 4 games back. Pleanty of baseball to play. Hopefully Redmond has a good rep in AAA, if not Dempster is out there and a trade will be made. Wren knows that if any year this is the Braves only chance before the Nats explode!
Let’s worry about Freeman, cause the black cloud following him must disappear
@bruce – Medlen will probably be put in rotation. With O’Flaherty having arm stiffness and Venters inexplicably not being effective, he got called to be set up man after a few starts in Gwinnett, but glad now he got those starts because he has to be in rotation. Starting pitching is just too important. So now I guess it’s Hanson, Huddy, Medlen, Delgado, Minor.
Trade for Dempster.Quinton,and Belfort now..Also look for another middle infielder,and we will be ok..I dont think CHIPPER will make it through the year hes about done..
I fell terrible about beachy..this team needs to get rid off mcDowell before the whole pitching corp get injured…btw don’t waste any good player in a race to get dempster …he’s not as well some people think
panamajack, I agree with you, Redman was a bad decision, they should have recalled Teheran and left Meds in the bullpen, Redman has a 6-4 record with a 3.26era, used primarily as a starter, not even a good AAA pitcher. I thought last nite when they pulled Teheran after 4 innings that was what they were going to do, only other reason I can think they would pull him is a possible trade in the working
When did Beachy become left handed as you story title suggest ???????????????????
Good call on Todd, time to see if his sucess at Gwinnett will pay off, the others surely have not and just maybe the Braves system is rushing these guys along to quickley (Heywardf, Freeman, Pastor, Delgado, Tehrean, Minor and what about the injured coming back to quick, last year it was Heyward and chipper, this year its Freeman, Chipper and now Beachy.
How can he be “recalled” if he was never in the bigs before?
Because he was already on the 40 man roster, has been since last year, only reason was if they took him off they whoul have to put him on waivers and lose him.
You idiots. Redman not a good AAA pitcher? No hitter in 2011. All Star in Int. League for 2 years.
If Medlen is going to be a starter like some of you want, then Teheran is not the right callup. Teheran is not a reliever. Redman apparently can relieve and is more of a veteran. As for you experts, you would never have called Venters or Beachy up in the past, because their MiL records were not very good. Moylan, either.
The way they are pitching, I think everyone at AAA with any potential should get a drive by to show if they can help. You never know, some guys do better in the big leagues than they ever did in the minors. Rare, but it happens. I had rather watch a new guy than trot out the guy, who didn’t getter done the previous three tries.
Redmond probably can’t pitch in the ML, but I would give him a chance. Since this is his first callup, he must have several options so he can be sent down as fast as he was recalled. Teheran hasn’t pitched that well so far in 2012. this way we can find out how Redmond translates to the majors and not make assumptions.
Redmond pitches to contact so he likely will have some trouble at this level.
exhast all internal options first before looking outside the system.
Actually, the reason Teheran was pulled last night appears to be a high pitch count of over 90 and ineffectness again. Appears to have been walking batters again. Hopefully, not pulled because of injury.
Having several options doesn’t have anything to do with it. An option to the minors counts once each year. Does not count every single time a player is optioned during the year. So, doesn’t matter if Costanza is brought up and sent back 3 times. Counts as one option.
I don’t think you know baseball at all after reading that comment, especially if you rely on sportscenter for your baseball info considering the only baseball you’ll get there is NYY BOSOX and Bryce Harper. Beachy was 1 example of many in baseball, how about R.A Dickey? He was written off early and now he’s a top tier pitcher. Jose Bautista played for them PIRATES also who gave up on him along with about 7 other teams. Your logic (if you can call it that) is seriously flawed and the fact that you think you know the game while saying such moronic things just makes it worse.
DOB and Ms. Rogers do a great job covering the braves and have some excellent write-ups, than you hit the comment section and its just “wtf is wrong with these people” why even claim to like the braves if you do nothing but hate on everything about the org. Commenters here really ruin any chance of actual baseball discussion on an otherwise great blog…
June 17th, 2012
11:18 am
Actually, the reason Teheran was pulled last night appears to be a high pitch count of over 90 and ineffectness again. Appears to have been walking batters again. Hopefully, not pulled because of injury.
Teheran threw 86 pitches, walked 2 batters, gave up 2 runs, not exactly a high pitch count, not many walks and not too ineffective either.
Redmond may be pitching very well, but last column I read said that Jurjjens was also pitching well in AAA and he has the experience. I have to say this move to leave Jurjjens at AAA does surprise me. There is no question any longer that Jurjjens isn’t in AAA for a sort out, he’s in AAA because the Braves don’t want him back and so far no other team has offered up a trade the Braves are willing to pull the trigger on.
Baseball is a cruel game at times. And every player’s career ends on various degrees of sorrow. But for Jair Jurjjens to go from MLB All-Star, Pitcher of the Month, and on the fast track to stardom to sudden relegation with no trade interest ranks among the most bitter of outcomes.
I agree with those who say he can’t be “recalled” if he has not been in the majors before. Doesn’t matter if he was on the 40 man roster or not. When cars are “recalled” it’s because they have been sold and the owner has to take them back to the dealer. The term “called up” should have been used. You cannot “recall” something that hasn’t been there before.
Lot of Love for Medlen, Medlin, and Medlan on this blog today. How many bad or mediocre starts by any one of the three before those same people demand they be banished to AAA or traded for a short term fix — that won’t really fix anything?
Redmond deserves his chance,been in the minors forever. I say give him 3 starts and see what ya got. Of course, they stretched out Medlen’s arm and now they need a starter…I still think that 5th starter is way more important than a setup man. But Fredi OBVIOUSLY knows what he is doing.
With all the typos, spelling, and grammatical errors on this blog, we are having a discussion about the correct terminology for Redmond’s promotion to the majors?
The Braves have enough talent to win. The problem is a third base coach disguised as a terrible manager and an inept coaching staff. How long did Leo go as pitching coach with no arm problems? He’s probably available, but on the outs with the current management which, BTW, is about the worst in baseball. Couple that with inept and disinterested ownership and the reason for this disaster in-the-making is obvious.
I continue to be amazed at the stream of “I know better than folks who have spent their lives in baseball,” and the seeming hatefulness coming from folks who actually profess to be Braves fans.
I grew up in Atlanta going to the old Ponce de Leon ballpark to watch the Crackers. And, then, to get a major league team when the Braves moved here from Milwaukee. Wow! I was in heaven.
Now, since I live in another place, I get to go to the Braves website and the AJC website to get my scoop on my Braves, go through the day’s boxscore and keep up. It helps me remember my childhood days of following them in person when I was in Atlanta.
But then I read some of the comments and I want to throw up at the so-called fans who spew out the constant ctiticism. Ugghhh!
But, now, I ROOT for them. And enjoy reading about the men who work in the organization who help develop the young ones coming along.
And I’m amazed when I see the love of a guy coaching in the minors lose his eye in spring training and who can hardly wait to get back to his assigned team and his players. It makes me want to meet him and just sit down and listen as he talks about his love of the game.
Wake up you old farts who spew nothing but criticism and hate. It’s just a game. and those who participate are trying their best to improve and do their best.
Enjoy. Smell the roses. Root for your team and its players and coaches and managers.
Grow up. Stop whining… stop acting like you are smarter than them… stop acting like you would do it all better.
Most of you whiners just make the real fans sick… sick of the “know it alls” and critics.
Is the Toronto pitching coach responsible for three starters going down within a week’s time? Is McDowell responsible for injuries to JJ’s knee, Hanson’s shoulder, Hudson’s back and ankle, and Beachy’s elbow? If he is to take the blame for Venters’ inconsistency, does he get credit for Delgado’s maturation, for Kimbrel’s better command, for developing EOF after he was cut from the Mariners or for Moylan after he was picked off the scrap heap after the WBC? We all approve of the firing of Parrish and the hiring of Walker and Fletcher. It will be interesting to see what this change will mean in runs scored, BA, OBP, etc. at the end of the year with the same core group of players. Maybe this will give a more realistic appraisal of how much effect a coach has on team performance over a replacement. Maybe the SABR guys will come up with some measure for hitting and pitching coaches one day.
“How long did Leo go as pitching coach with no arm problems?”
Less than a year.
Mike Stanton was one of the first of Leo’s pitchers with arm injuries (I believe Pete Smith had injury issues, but not sure of him), others included Juan Berrenguer, Pedro Borbon Jr., Steve Avery, Mark Wholers, Nate McGlinchey, John Smoltz, and Mike Hampton.
Moot point, the Braves are done. They can’t play at a high enough level for a consistent amount of time to be considered for a playoff run. Hopefully with the Derek Lowe and Chipper Jones money coming off the books next season the Braves can actually lure a few “real” players to come to Atlanta. Put Prado at 3rd base permanently, and go out and sign or trade for a legit power hitting LF.
I am a realist however, and know the Braves are to f’n cheap to do something like that. Then they wonder why attendance is down? People are sick of seeing a stale product, and that is exactly what the Braves are.
The best thing that could happen for this team would be for Jurrjens to return to form. As I have pointed out in the past, he was a pretty good pitcher for 3 plus years before he hurt his knee. I for one will be rooting for him.
The comment that McDowell is somehow responsible for the recent rash of injuries to the pitchers is idiotic.
It doesn’t appear that it has occured to anyone on this blog that bringing up Redmond buys the FO some time to see who and what is available in a trade. It’s been less than 24 hrs since Beachy went down, trades and acquisitions don’tjust happen that fast.
Redmond has paid his dues and at least deserves a chance to see what he can do at the ML level but in the meantime they need an arm to take Beachy’s roster spot. If Redmond works out, fine, if not then he buys time to get a more experienced arm.
There you have it, Ralph. Teheran has back soreness. When the Braves say little, probably means surgery. They said Gattis had a little tendenitis in wrist. Turned in to a cast and 6 weeks and he still is not playing.
O’Flaherty has a little soreness in elbow. Chipper has a little problem with knee and leg. Freddie F has a little finger soreness, can’t play for a week. Beachy has a little soreness in elbow but is fine, according to Fredi. Point is that Fredi and the Braves don’t always tell the extent of injuries.
Wow … perhaps the article was updated after many of these comments were made but it seems fairly clear to me that the Braves have called Redmond up to be a long reliever until Beachy’s next start. At that time, the Braves will make another move — calling up JJ for the start on Friday. Who will be sent down? Probably Redmond — or, perhaps Varvaro … though Redmond has less experience as a reliever. Given how short the bullpen has become (EOF hurting & lots of innings last night), they need an extra bullpen arm. Redmond certainly seems like a better candidate for that role than many of the other G-Braves. (Teheren pitched last night; JJ looks to be the starter on Friday). The other choice would be Flande, but Redmond is having a better year.
VINNY D YOU ARE RIGHT ABOUT REDMOND,HE HAS HAD A CONSISTENT FEW YEARS IN AAA AS A STARTER,HE IS JUST AS CAPABLE,IF NOT MORE SO THAN THE “FUTURE STARS” OF OUR PITCHING PROSPECTS.HE CAN’T DO ANY WORSE THAN THE VAUNTED “STARS”,I ACTUALLY THINK HE DOES BETTER. ALL OF THE “PEOPLE” ON THIS BLOG WHO DOESN’T ABOUT MR. REDMOND,REALLY AREN’T BRAVES FANS,AND SHOULD JUST SHAKE THEIR “POM-POMS’,IF THEY HAVE A PAIR…………….
Braves “fans” jump off the ship almost as fast as Dawg “fans.” No wonder the Yankee FANS were so much louder than Braves “fans” in the series……because they were actually watching and understanding the game….while Braves “fans” were text messaging with two on and two out with a 3-2 count on Chipper Jones…..to ask what time is was.
Reminder: The Phillies are in last place. The Braves are currently in second place and are still good enough to end up there.
Did you hear the 10,000 plus Yankee fans at the Braves games? They were a lot louder than the 25 to 30,000 Braves….some of which….were real fans of the Braves.
Man there is so much s*it going on I don’t know what to think, need to sit back awhile and take it all in, whatever happens I hope it is all for the best, GO BRAVES!
I’m not knocking Yankee fans, though Lord knows I am not one. But they kvetch as much as anyone on their blogs as we do here in the ATL. You don’t think they are already whining about why Texeira and Swisher can’t hit in the playoffs, blah blah blah.
What they do have is an organization with $$$ to spend.
Again….proof you are NO Braves fan. The Braves are far from stale…….great new, young shortstop (who will be an all-star starter very soon)……..great young 1B (with current injury issues)…..all-star 2B……retiring story of Chipper Jones…….one of the best CF in the NL……and a developing story with JHey in RF. Also….all star C. Yes…..they still need a power hitting LF….and a healthy pitching staff…….but they are far….far…..from state. But I know this……Wisconsin and the Brewers are as stale and the bad beer that is made there.
First I think it going to be Teheran, but he’s hurt, then I think it’s going to be Medlen but they recall Redman so I think it’s going to be Redman then it turns out to be the worse decision possible, JJ, what the hell are they thinking>
JJ is a proven MLB quantity that is shortly removed from his All Star 1st half last year. Yes, he got injured the end of last year and lost some velocity at the beginning of this year. But his velocity is now back where it needs to be and the Braves obviously like what they see or he wouldn’t be getting the start.
Jair is gamer and the added pressure will pick up his performance. Don’t be surprised if he has a stellar game on Friday.
The difference……Yankee fans show up in droves…..in Yankee Stadium and almost everywhere else……and cheer very loudly and enthusiastically…….and understand the game better than most fans….with exceptions being in St. Louis, Chicago, Philly, and Boston…..all of which have equal fans to the Yankees…..and they all moan and grown……but show up and cheer…..and pay attention at games…..and do NOT do the wave when their team has men on base in crucial situations.
The Nationals designated Brad Lidge for assignment, according to Amanda Comak of the Washington Times (via Twitter). Lidge has appeared in just 9.1 innings this year, allowing ten runs with ten strikeouts and eleven walks.
The reliever known as “Lights Out” gave up a two-run double to Mark Teixeira in the 14th inning of yesterday’s 5-3 loss to the Yankees. Lidge had just recently come off of a stint on the DL which kept him out of action from late April until June 8th. The 35-year-old has a career ERA of 3.54 with 11.9 K/9 and 4.3 BB/9.
My guess is, well we all know they will bring him in!
Maybe……they are thinking…….that JJ has experience and the ability to pitch deep into games…..and they might be thinking……he is back as far as he is going to be……so let’s see if he can still pitch in the majors…..and then…..make a final decision on him. Or even…..maybe another team is interesting in trading for him but they want to see him pitch in the majors before pulling the trigger on a deal. Just my thinking.
Tampa Gator
June 17th, 2012
12:43 pm
Man I don’t know what they are thinking, the last thing he did at Gwinette was walk the bases loded then give up a grand slam, whatever I hope for the teams sake he throws a no hitter then I WILL HAVE A DOUBLE HELPING OF MY FAVORITE MEAL,
You conveniently left out those 5 shutout innings before that. P.S. Teheran only went 4 innings in his last start. He is obviously not ready (and is he hurt?), Also obvious…..the Braves need Medlen in the bullpen until Venters starts to pitch better and O’F gets healthy again. Of both of those guys were pitching and pitching well….Medlen would be pitching Friday night and JJ would still be schedule to pitch for G-Braves Friday night.
You folks don’t understand ownership. To us who do, the Atlanta Braves is not a baseball team. It is, more importantly, a tax write-off. Liberty is very pleased with our investment in the team. The worse it operates the bigger our write-off. Simple business.
If JJ goes out there and gives the Braves 5 or 6 good innings Friday night……3 to 4 runs…..then he has done his job. He is obviously not….and will not be again this year…..the JJ of last year (first half of last year at least).
That may be the most ignorant post of all on here today. Geez. Liberty has hardly any involvement in the team.,…except to establish budgets and expect Wren to operate within it. That is simple business. Even the Yankees are trying to do that now. Most teams are.
You know because I think out loud that I am a hater, well the only thing I hate is losing, some guys just wave their pom poms and never act like anything is wrong, I tell it like I see it and most of the time I am wrong, so what?
You know because I think out loud that I am a hater, well the only thing I hate is losing, some guys just wave their pom poms and never act like anything is wrong, I tell it like I see it and most of the time I am wrong, so what?
231 comments Add your comment
ATLien
June 17th, 2012
10:15 am
First? Where the Braves will be in a week…
Sons of Rick Matula
June 17th, 2012
10:16 am
Todd Redmond was acquired by the Braves for the immortal Tyler Yates. This is what the vaunted Braves pitching depth has to offer in an emrgency?
IsFreemanaWussie
June 17th, 2012
10:17 am
Strange season
mrb
June 17th, 2012
10:18 am
not good at all
Screwball
June 17th, 2012
10:18 am
Why isn’t it Todd Reddmondd?
MD Braves fan
June 17th, 2012
10:22 am
Worst part is that Fredi now has an excuse to hide behind. Dammit.
Screwball
June 17th, 2012
10:23 am
When I saw the headline, I thought OMG, they’ve called up Mark Redman. (Braves 2007 0-4, 11.63 ERA). Don’t laugh, Wren might have the guy’s name in his rolodex.
Confusing choice
June 17th, 2012
10:24 am
Streched out Medlen, put him in bullpen. Called up Redmond? Where is Tehrean?
Dirty Dawg
June 17th, 2012
10:27 am
Elbows don’t just ‘get better’…Tommy John…and Redmond has been pitching as good or better than the our other ‘arms’. If he doesn’t get er done then well see somebody else. Either way, no way we’re gonna ‘get better’.
Ebenezer Snerdberg
June 17th, 2012
10:28 am
Instead of bringing brooms to a game now, fans should bring forks! This prove Havana Fats and Roger McDoofus haven’t a clue about the game!
Preston Hannatized
June 17th, 2012
10:28 am
Don’t worry MD. Fredi is working under a make the playoffs or adios edict. Injuries won’t save him. He’s becoming the Ray Goff of managers. The front office knows the fan base can’t stand him and they would love to can him but he keeps winning enough to hold on. If Fredi is the fallguy and Wren stays – bad news.
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Steve From Dalton
June 17th, 2012
10:28 am
Speaks volumes about how the Braves feel about Jair. Maybe Redmond goes to the pen and Medlen starts
Sending Chip out in style 2012
June 17th, 2012
10:31 am
Sons of Rick: you do realize how the braves acquired Beachy right? Does that mean he shouldn’t be in the bigs since he wasn’t drafted ? Who gives a damn how Redmond was acquired, he’s pitched well in his minor league career and the FO needs to see what they do or don’t have in him, he deserves his shot he’s earned it. So pointless to mention how they got him, really seems like people here btch just for the sake of btching. How you go through life with such a negative outlook is really depressing. Learn some baseball before you write a guy off bc how he was “acquired”.
Such a pointless statement..
TheOnlyBravesFan
June 17th, 2012
10:34 am
We’re snakebit
abby normal
June 17th, 2012
10:34 am
Warm up the fat lady……..Braves are done.
Sons of Rick Matula
June 17th, 2012
10:38 am
I think I know baseball fairly well but I’ll defer to your genius. Still, I don’t care how they were drafted, it’s how they are progressing. Undrafted, Beachy started pro-ball in 2009 and made MLB in 2011. Kudos to the Braves scouting. On the other hand, Redmond was drafted in 2004 but the Pirates gave up on him. The Pirates! The Braves were eager to dump Tyler Yates. Maybe Redmond has found something but this callup won’t lead sports center.
panamajack
June 17th, 2012
10:40 am
Anolther terriable decision by Wren, Redman isn’t worth a s*it at AAA, This is about the last straw for me, I am about to give up on this team. What can you do, the team isn’t performing because Sherholtz wont fire Wren who won’t fire Fredi. Wren conldn’t find anything in the Dumpster so he brings up this garbage.
Fan since 1977
June 17th, 2012
10:40 am
Chipper, you can’t go every day, make room for Prado at third full time, retire now and focus on your kids (appropo foe Father’s Day) since you are going through a divorce (for which I’m sorry, would not wish that on anyone). The kids come first. Plus this is one time you do NOT want to be making a lot of $$.
Then maybe Wren will find us SOMEONE to play everyday LF. Love you Diaz, but…
Freeman, ice and flex the heck out of that finger, we need you in lineup (and definitely in field) BAD!
Beachy, get well soon. Very soon. Hope MRI is negative and you just need to be introduced to Mr. Cortisone.
Bourn, Prado, Uggla, Mac – continued good health. Simmons, keep it up, kid. J-Hey, keep finding that consistent stroke, you’re good for your numbers.
Rossy – ever thought of being a player-manager?
GO BRAVES!
bruce
June 17th, 2012
10:41 am
why not Kris Medlen to start?
Fan since 1977
June 17th, 2012
10:42 am
Meant Heyward too good for his numbers.
Ball's-N-All
June 17th, 2012
10:43 am
Fa Le Da Doe….lalalalala…Doe Rey Me…..lalalala…OK WARMED UP…!!
Eric
June 17th, 2012
10:45 am
Can you people be positive?!?!? You care to read this so you obviously are fans! Root for your team! Yes our manager is a clown, but those are the cards we were dealt. It’s June and the team is 4 games back. Pleanty of baseball to play. Hopefully Redmond has a good rep in AAA, if not Dempster is out there and a trade will be made. Wren knows that if any year this is the Braves only chance before the Nats explode!
Let’s worry about Freeman, cause the black cloud following him must disappear
panamajack
June 17th, 2012
10:45 am
I would assume they are going to Start Medlen and put Redman in the bullpen but who knows with these idiots.
Fan since 1977
June 17th, 2012
10:46 am
@bruce – Medlen will probably be put in rotation. With O’Flaherty having arm stiffness and Venters inexplicably not being effective, he got called to be set up man after a few starts in Gwinnett, but glad now he got those starts because he has to be in rotation. Starting pitching is just too important. So now I guess it’s Hanson, Huddy, Medlen, Delgado, Minor.
Ball's-N-All
June 17th, 2012
10:54 am
Trade for Dempster.Quinton,and Belfort now..Also look for another middle infielder,and we will be ok..I dont think CHIPPER will make it through the year hes about done..
Dr. James Andrews
June 17th, 2012
10:54 am
Hi Brandon – we’ve got the operating room ready. See you Wednesday. -James
Whiskey River
June 17th, 2012
10:56 am
@Eric You have got to be kidding?
mpimentel
June 17th, 2012
11:05 am
I fell terrible about beachy..this team needs to get rid off mcDowell before the whole pitching corp get injured…btw don’t waste any good player in a race to get dempster …he’s not as well some people think
Ralph
June 17th, 2012
11:06 am
panamajack, I agree with you, Redman was a bad decision, they should have recalled Teheran and left Meds in the bullpen, Redman has a 6-4 record with a 3.26era, used primarily as a starter, not even a good AAA pitcher. I thought last nite when they pulled Teheran after 4 innings that was what they were going to do, only other reason I can think they would pull him is a possible trade in the working
navy mmcm
June 17th, 2012
11:09 am
How can he be “recalled” if he was never in the bigs before?
alanfalcon
June 17th, 2012
11:10 am
When did Beachy become left handed as you story title suggest ???????????????????
Good call on Todd, time to see if his sucess at Gwinnett will pay off, the others surely have not and just maybe the Braves system is rushing these guys along to quickley (Heywardf, Freeman, Pastor, Delgado, Tehrean, Minor and what about the injured coming back to quick, last year it was Heyward and chipper, this year its Freeman, Chipper and now Beachy.
Homer the Brave
June 17th, 2012
11:12 am
If Beachy’s injury isn’t serious then Redmond would probably take his spot for a few starts while he’s on the DL and Medlan stays in the pen.
But if Beachy is lost for the year, then Medlan would take his spot and we will be looking for bullpen help.
Ralph
June 17th, 2012
11:15 am
How can he be “recalled” if he was never in the bigs before?
Because he was already on the 40 man roster, has been since last year, only reason was if they took him off they whoul have to put him on waivers and lose him.
bob didier
June 17th, 2012
11:15 am
You idiots. Redman not a good AAA pitcher? No hitter in 2011. All Star in Int. League for 2 years.
If Medlen is going to be a starter like some of you want, then Teheran is not the right callup. Teheran is not a reliever. Redman apparently can relieve and is more of a veteran. As for you experts, you would never have called Venters or Beachy up in the past, because their MiL records were not very good. Moylan, either.
Dirty Dawg
June 17th, 2012
11:16 am
One thing’s for sure…we’ll never be labeled as ‘knowledgeable baseball fans’.
Dawgdad (The Original)
June 17th, 2012
11:16 am
The way they are pitching, I think everyone at AAA with any potential should get a drive by to show if they can help. You never know, some guys do better in the big leagues than they ever did in the minors. Rare, but it happens. I had rather watch a new guy than trot out the guy, who didn’t getter done the previous three tries.
Ralph
June 17th, 2012
11:16 am
Homer the Brave
Don’t try to second guess those idiots running this team.
least of the east
June 17th, 2012
11:17 am
Redmond probably can’t pitch in the ML, but I would give him a chance. Since this is his first callup, he must have several options so he can be sent down as fast as he was recalled. Teheran hasn’t pitched that well so far in 2012. this way we can find out how Redmond translates to the majors and not make assumptions.
Redmond pitches to contact so he likely will have some trouble at this level.
exhast all internal options first before looking outside the system.
bob didier
June 17th, 2012
11:18 am
Actually, the reason Teheran was pulled last night appears to be a high pitch count of over 90 and ineffectness again. Appears to have been walking batters again. Hopefully, not pulled because of injury.
Willy
June 17th, 2012
11:18 am
Jurrjens problems seem mental. In Gwinnett w/bases empty – 1:09 ERA/36 IP; runners on – 11.19 ERA/23 1/3 IP; runners in scoring position – 21.60 ERA/11 2/3 IP.
ChillyMutt
June 17th, 2012
11:19 am
Medlin …. Medlin ….
bob didier
June 17th, 2012
11:20 am
Having several options doesn’t have anything to do with it. An option to the minors counts once each year. Does not count every single time a player is optioned during the year. So, doesn’t matter if Costanza is brought up and sent back 3 times. Counts as one option.
Sending Chip out in style 2012
June 17th, 2012
11:23 am
I don’t think you know baseball at all after reading that comment, especially if you rely on sportscenter for your baseball info considering the only baseball you’ll get there is NYY BOSOX and Bryce Harper. Beachy was 1 example of many in baseball, how about R.A Dickey? He was written off early and now he’s a top tier pitcher. Jose Bautista played for them PIRATES also who gave up on him along with about 7 other teams. Your logic (if you can call it that) is seriously flawed and the fact that you think you know the game while saying such moronic things just makes it worse.
DOB and Ms. Rogers do a great job covering the braves and have some excellent write-ups, than you hit the comment section and its just “wtf is wrong with these people” why even claim to like the braves if you do nothing but hate on everything about the org. Commenters here really ruin any chance of actual baseball discussion on an otherwise great blog…
Dr. Kenneth Noisewater
June 17th, 2012
11:23 am
headed to the game, hopefully this pathetic team lately can get more than 1 hit today!!
Ralph
June 17th, 2012
11:26 am
bob didier
June 17th, 2012
11:18 am
Actually, the reason Teheran was pulled last night appears to be a high pitch count of over 90 and ineffectness again. Appears to have been walking batters again. Hopefully, not pulled because of injury.
Teheran threw 86 pitches, walked 2 batters, gave up 2 runs, not exactly a high pitch count, not many walks and not too ineffective either.
Ken Stallings
June 17th, 2012
11:27 am
Redmond may be pitching very well, but last column I read said that Jurjjens was also pitching well in AAA and he has the experience. I have to say this move to leave Jurjjens at AAA does surprise me. There is no question any longer that Jurjjens isn’t in AAA for a sort out, he’s in AAA because the Braves don’t want him back and so far no other team has offered up a trade the Braves are willing to pull the trigger on.
Baseball is a cruel game at times. And every player’s career ends on various degrees of sorrow. But for Jair Jurjjens to go from MLB All-Star, Pitcher of the Month, and on the fast track to stardom to sudden relegation with no trade interest ranks among the most bitter of outcomes.
SM
June 17th, 2012
11:28 am
How long is it until football season?
Stephen
June 17th, 2012
11:29 am
Why does the title say ” the left- hander ” ???
Kev
June 17th, 2012
11:29 am
Redmond Who ???????
Ralph
June 17th, 2012
11:31 am
Sending Chip out in style
Gotta hate, there isn’t much to love lately
cliff
June 17th, 2012
11:31 am
Better watch out, Beachy. The Braves sat back and let bad mechanics ruin Steve Avery’s arm.
Disgusted
June 17th, 2012
11:32 am
Can you people be positive?
Dempster is out there and a trade will be made”
@Eric – That Kool-Aid must be very strong and good this morning. Happy Sunday and happy week.
Ralph
June 17th, 2012
11:34 am
Ken Stallings
June 17th, 2012
11:27 am
jj has pitched like crap at AAA, gave up another Gran Slam his last start, he is toast, stick a fork in him, he is done.
war daddy lightfoot
June 17th, 2012
11:34 am
Ho hum
Nattering Nabob
June 17th, 2012
11:38 am
Agreed, Send Chip.
Amazing how many experts there are on this blog.
war daddy lightfoot
June 17th, 2012
11:39 am
Jurrjens??? Hell nooooooo
D.A. Nuggla
June 17th, 2012
11:42 am
I agree with those who say he can’t be “recalled” if he has not been in the majors before. Doesn’t matter if he was on the 40 man roster or not. When cars are “recalled” it’s because they have been sold and the owner has to take them back to the dealer. The term “called up” should have been used. You cannot “recall” something that hasn’t been there before.
panamajack
June 17th, 2012
11:46 am
Maybe Wren use to be a used car salesman and still has dreams of the Cash for Clunkers program.
jim
June 17th, 2012
11:46 am
Lot of Love for Medlen, Medlin, and Medlan on this blog today. How many bad or mediocre starts by any one of the three before those same people demand they be banished to AAA or traded for a short term fix — that won’t really fix anything?
VinnyD
June 17th, 2012
11:49 am
Redmond deserves his chance,been in the minors forever. I say give him 3 starts and see what ya got. Of course, they stretched out Medlen’s arm and now they need a starter…I still think that 5th starter is way more important than a setup man. But Fredi OBVIOUSLY knows what he is doing.
panamajack
June 17th, 2012
11:50 am
Maybe instead of sending everyone down to Gwinette for a quick fix we should just bring up Gwinettes manager and pitching coact to Atlanta.
jim
June 17th, 2012
11:51 am
With all the typos, spelling, and grammatical errors on this blog, we are having a discussion about the correct terminology for Redmond’s promotion to the majors?
Whiskey River
June 17th, 2012
11:52 am
@Vinny Have you been drinking FG Koolaid? I dont’t want any.
ATLcracker
June 17th, 2012
12:03 pm
If you could only get rid of one guy would it be Gonzales or Wren ? I say Wren.
The Bravenator
June 17th, 2012
12:03 pm
The Braves have enough talent to win. The problem is a third base coach disguised as a terrible manager and an inept coaching staff. How long did Leo go as pitching coach with no arm problems? He’s probably available, but on the outs with the current management which, BTW, is about the worst in baseball. Couple that with inept and disinterested ownership and the reason for this disaster in-the-making is obvious.
Herb Bell
June 17th, 2012
12:05 pm
I continue to be amazed at the stream of “I know better than folks who have spent their lives in baseball,” and the seeming hatefulness coming from folks who actually profess to be Braves fans.
I grew up in Atlanta going to the old Ponce de Leon ballpark to watch the Crackers. And, then, to get a major league team when the Braves moved here from Milwaukee. Wow! I was in heaven.
Now, since I live in another place, I get to go to the Braves website and the AJC website to get my scoop on my Braves, go through the day’s boxscore and keep up. It helps me remember my childhood days of following them in person when I was in Atlanta.
But then I read some of the comments and I want to throw up at the so-called fans who spew out the constant ctiticism. Ugghhh!
But, now, I ROOT for them. And enjoy reading about the men who work in the organization who help develop the young ones coming along.
And I’m amazed when I see the love of a guy coaching in the minors lose his eye in spring training and who can hardly wait to get back to his assigned team and his players. It makes me want to meet him and just sit down and listen as he talks about his love of the game.
Wake up you old farts who spew nothing but criticism and hate. It’s just a game. and those who participate are trying their best to improve and do their best.
Enjoy. Smell the roses. Root for your team and its players and coaches and managers.
Grow up. Stop whining… stop acting like you are smarter than them… stop acting like you would do it all better.
Most of you whiners just make the real fans sick… sick of the “know it alls” and critics.
jim
June 17th, 2012
12:06 pm
Is the Toronto pitching coach responsible for three starters going down within a week’s time? Is McDowell responsible for injuries to JJ’s knee, Hanson’s shoulder, Hudson’s back and ankle, and Beachy’s elbow? If he is to take the blame for Venters’ inconsistency, does he get credit for Delgado’s maturation, for Kimbrel’s better command, for developing EOF after he was cut from the Mariners or for Moylan after he was picked off the scrap heap after the WBC? We all approve of the firing of Parrish and the hiring of Walker and Fletcher. It will be interesting to see what this change will mean in runs scored, BA, OBP, etc. at the end of the year with the same core group of players. Maybe this will give a more realistic appraisal of how much effect a coach has on team performance over a replacement. Maybe the SABR guys will come up with some measure for hitting and pitching coaches one day.
jim
June 17th, 2012
12:14 pm
“How long did Leo go as pitching coach with no arm problems?”
Less than a year.
Mike Stanton was one of the first of Leo’s pitchers with arm injuries (I believe Pete Smith had injury issues, but not sure of him), others included Juan Berrenguer, Pedro Borbon Jr., Steve Avery, Mark Wholers, Nate McGlinchey, John Smoltz, and Mike Hampton.
BravesfaninWis
June 17th, 2012
12:19 pm
Moot point, the Braves are done. They can’t play at a high enough level for a consistent amount of time to be considered for a playoff run. Hopefully with the Derek Lowe and Chipper Jones money coming off the books next season the Braves can actually lure a few “real” players to come to Atlanta. Put Prado at 3rd base permanently, and go out and sign or trade for a legit power hitting LF.
I am a realist however, and know the Braves are to f’n cheap to do something like that. Then they wonder why attendance is down? People are sick of seeing a stale product, and that is exactly what the Braves are.
Bvillebaron
June 17th, 2012
12:20 pm
The best thing that could happen for this team would be for Jurrjens to return to form. As I have pointed out in the past, he was a pretty good pitcher for 3 plus years before he hurt his knee. I for one will be rooting for him.
The comment that McDowell is somehow responsible for the recent rash of injuries to the pitchers is idiotic.
DaveinNEPA
June 17th, 2012
12:21 pm
It doesn’t appear that it has occured to anyone on this blog that bringing up Redmond buys the FO some time to see who and what is available in a trade. It’s been less than 24 hrs since Beachy went down, trades and acquisitions don’tjust happen that fast.
Redmond has paid his dues and at least deserves a chance to see what he can do at the ML level but in the meantime they need an arm to take Beachy’s roster spot. If Redmond works out, fine, if not then he buys time to get a more experienced arm.
bob didier
June 17th, 2012
12:24 pm
There you have it, Ralph. Teheran has back soreness. When the Braves say little, probably means surgery. They said Gattis had a little tendenitis in wrist. Turned in to a cast and 6 weeks and he still is not playing.
O’Flaherty has a little soreness in elbow. Chipper has a little problem with knee and leg. Freddie F has a little finger soreness, can’t play for a week. Beachy has a little soreness in elbow but is fine, according to Fredi. Point is that Fredi and the Braves don’t always tell the extent of injuries.
And, for you JJ lovers, he will pitch Friday.
Sons of Rick Matula
June 17th, 2012
12:25 pm
If you want cheerleaders, read Chop Talk (is it still being published?)
All fans grouse. Have you read the Yankee’s blog and they’ve won 27 times.
Only one team’s fan base is happy after the WS. It’s sports. It’s not life.
If you don’t like the comments – pro or con the Braves – have a nice day.
bgvt
June 17th, 2012
12:26 pm
Wow … perhaps the article was updated after many of these comments were made but it seems fairly clear to me that the Braves have called Redmond up to be a long reliever until Beachy’s next start. At that time, the Braves will make another move — calling up JJ for the start on Friday. Who will be sent down? Probably Redmond — or, perhaps Varvaro … though Redmond has less experience as a reliever. Given how short the bullpen has become (EOF hurting & lots of innings last night), they need an extra bullpen arm. Redmond certainly seems like a better candidate for that role than many of the other G-Braves. (Teheren pitched last night; JJ looks to be the starter on Friday). The other choice would be Flande, but Redmond is having a better year.
Buster brave
June 17th, 2012
12:26 pm
VINNY D YOU ARE RIGHT ABOUT REDMOND,HE HAS HAD A CONSISTENT FEW YEARS IN AAA AS A STARTER,HE IS JUST AS CAPABLE,IF NOT MORE SO THAN THE “FUTURE STARS” OF OUR PITCHING PROSPECTS.HE CAN’T DO ANY WORSE THAN THE VAUNTED “STARS”,I ACTUALLY THINK HE DOES BETTER. ALL OF THE “PEOPLE” ON THIS BLOG WHO DOESN’T ABOUT MR. REDMOND,REALLY AREN’T BRAVES FANS,AND SHOULD JUST SHAKE THEIR “POM-POMS’,IF THEY HAVE A PAIR…………….
Tampa Gator
June 17th, 2012
12:26 pm
Braves “fans” jump off the ship almost as fast as Dawg “fans.” No wonder the Yankee FANS were so much louder than Braves “fans” in the series……because they were actually watching and understanding the game….while Braves “fans” were text messaging with two on and two out with a 3-2 count on Chipper Jones…..to ask what time is was.
Reminder: The Phillies are in last place. The Braves are currently in second place and are still good enough to end up there.
panamajack
June 17th, 2012
12:27 pm
bob didier
Pitch where?
Tampa Gator
June 17th, 2012
12:28 pm
Well said…..Buster Brave. You probably don’t text message at Braves games.
Tampa Gator
June 17th, 2012
12:29 pm
bgvt….
You obviously understand the game of baseball…..congrats on being a REAL Braves fan..
Tampa Gator
June 17th, 2012
12:31 pm
Sons of Rick Matula…..
Did you hear the 10,000 plus Yankee fans at the Braves games? They were a lot louder than the 25 to 30,000 Braves….some of which….were real fans of the Braves.
panamajack
June 17th, 2012
12:33 pm
Man there is so much s*it going on I don’t know what to think, need to sit back awhile and take it all in, whatever happens I hope it is all for the best, GO BRAVES!
Sons of Rick Matula
June 17th, 2012
12:36 pm
I’m not knocking Yankee fans, though Lord knows I am not one. But they kvetch as much as anyone on their blogs as we do here in the ATL. You don’t think they are already whining about why Texeira and Swisher can’t hit in the playoffs, blah blah blah.
What they do have is an organization with $$$ to spend.
Tampa Gator
June 17th, 2012
12:36 pm
Bravesfan (NOT)inWis……
Again….proof you are NO Braves fan. The Braves are far from stale…….great new, young shortstop (who will be an all-star starter very soon)……..great young 1B (with current injury issues)…..all-star 2B……retiring story of Chipper Jones…….one of the best CF in the NL……and a developing story with JHey in RF. Also….all star C. Yes…..they still need a power hitting LF….and a healthy pitching staff…….but they are far….far…..from state. But I know this……Wisconsin and the Brewers are as stale and the bad beer that is made there.
Ralph
June 17th, 2012
12:39 pm
First I think it going to be Teheran, but he’s hurt, then I think it’s going to be Medlen but they recall Redman so I think it’s going to be Redman then it turns out to be the worse decision possible, JJ, what the hell are they thinking>
JoeyBagOBravos
June 17th, 2012
12:40 pm
JJ is a proven MLB quantity that is shortly removed from his All Star 1st half last year. Yes, he got injured the end of last year and lost some velocity at the beginning of this year. But his velocity is now back where it needs to be and the Braves obviously like what they see or he wouldn’t be getting the start.
Jair is gamer and the added pressure will pick up his performance. Don’t be surprised if he has a stellar game on Friday.
Tampa Gator
June 17th, 2012
12:40 pm
Matula…..
The difference……Yankee fans show up in droves…..in Yankee Stadium and almost everywhere else……and cheer very loudly and enthusiastically…….and understand the game better than most fans….with exceptions being in St. Louis, Chicago, Philly, and Boston…..all of which have equal fans to the Yankees…..and they all moan and grown……but show up and cheer…..and pay attention at games…..and do NOT do the wave when their team has men on base in crucial situations.
NORRIS CHUCK
June 17th, 2012
12:41 pm
Nationals Designate Brad Lidge For Assignment
By Zach Links [June 17 at 10:50am CST]
The Nationals designated Brad Lidge for assignment, according to Amanda Comak of the Washington Times (via Twitter). Lidge has appeared in just 9.1 innings this year, allowing ten runs with ten strikeouts and eleven walks.
The reliever known as “Lights Out” gave up a two-run double to Mark Teixeira in the 14th inning of yesterday’s 5-3 loss to the Yankees. Lidge had just recently come off of a stint on the DL which kept him out of action from late April until June 8th. The 35-year-old has a career ERA of 3.54 with 11.9 K/9 and 4.3 BB/9.
My guess is, well we all know they will bring him in!
Ralph
June 17th, 2012
12:43 pm
If he does I will be surprised but I hope he does!
Tampa Gator
June 17th, 2012
12:43 pm
Ralph…..
Maybe……they are thinking…….that JJ has experience and the ability to pitch deep into games…..and they might be thinking……he is back as far as he is going to be……so let’s see if he can still pitch in the majors…..and then…..make a final decision on him. Or even…..maybe another team is interesting in trading for him but they want to see him pitch in the majors before pulling the trigger on a deal. Just my thinking.
Rob
June 17th, 2012
12:49 pm
I just hope Beachy comes back sooner than later…hate it for him and the Bravos.
Ralph
June 17th, 2012
12:51 pm
Tampa Gator
June 17th, 2012
12:43 pm
Man I don’t know what they are thinking, the last thing he did at Gwinette was walk the bases loded then give up a grand slam, whatever I hope for the teams sake he throws a no hitter then I WILL HAVE A DOUBLE HELPING OF MY FAVORITE MEAL,
Ralph
June 17th, 2012
12:51 pm
CROW THAT IS
Tampa Gator
June 17th, 2012
12:52 pm
Against the Yankees AAA farm club this week……
Redmond…..7 shutout innings and win.
JJ…….threw 5 straight shutout innings and then gave up 4 runs, including a HR, in the 6th.
I guess the Braves management liked what they saw in both Redmond and JJ.
Tampa Gator
June 17th, 2012
12:55 pm
Ralph…..
You conveniently left out those 5 shutout innings before that. P.S. Teheran only went 4 innings in his last start. He is obviously not ready (and is he hurt?), Also obvious…..the Braves need Medlen in the bullpen until Venters starts to pitch better and O’F gets healthy again. Of both of those guys were pitching and pitching well….Medlen would be pitching Friday night and JJ would still be schedule to pitch for G-Braves Friday night.
Liberty Mutual Whizkid
June 17th, 2012
12:57 pm
You folks don’t understand ownership. To us who do, the Atlanta Braves is not a baseball team. It is, more importantly, a tax write-off. Liberty is very pleased with our investment in the team. The worse it operates the bigger our write-off. Simple business.
Tampa Gator
June 17th, 2012
12:57 pm
Ralph….
If JJ goes out there and gives the Braves 5 or 6 good innings Friday night……3 to 4 runs…..then he has done his job. He is obviously not….and will not be again this year…..the JJ of last year (first half of last year at least).
Ralph
June 17th, 2012
12:58 pm
Tampa Gator-Guess your right!
Tampa Gator
June 17th, 2012
1:00 pm
Whizkid…..
That may be the most ignorant post of all on here today. Geez. Liberty has hardly any involvement in the team.,…except to establish budgets and expect Wren to operate within it. That is simple business. Even the Yankees are trying to do that now. Most teams are.
Ralph
June 17th, 2012
1:06 pm
Tampa Gator
You know because I think out loud that I am a hater, well the only thing I hate is losing, some guys just wave their pom poms and never act like anything is wrong, I tell it like I see it and most of the time I am wrong, so what?
Ralph
June 17th, 2012
1:06 pm
Tampa Gator
You know because I think out loud that I am a hater, well the only thing I hate is losing, some guys just wave their pom poms and never act like anything is wrong, I tell it like I see it and most of the time I am wrong, so what?