Braves seem unlikely to trade for Dempster or other front-line pitcher
Could the Braves use another proven, durable, steady veteran in their starting rotation before the trade deadline, a guy like, say, Ryan Demspter? Absolutely they could. One could even argue they need such a pitcher, given that two out of five days they are turning to inexperienced and still-erratic youngsters Mike Minor and Randall Delgado.
Sure the Braves could use Ryan Dempster, who is being shopped by the Cubs. But the cost would likely be prohibitive for the Braves, who also wouldn't get any compensation draft picks if he left as a free agent after the season, as per rules in the new collective barganing agreement.
That can create some difficult matchups (see: Delgado vs. Yankees in Monday’s series opener, and Mike Minor vs. CC Sabathia tonight).
However, there are reasons the Braves might not be willing or able to do such a deal, beginning with the rules of the new collective bargaining agreement. Whereas under the old rules a team could have traded for a Dempster or Zack Greinke before the deadline, used them for the stretch drive and the postseason, then either signed them to an extension or let them go as free agents and reaped a couple of compensatory draft picks, the new rules eliminate the compensation for players who weren’t on a team all season.
That meant if the Braves traded for a pitcher such as Dempster, not only would they have to pay him about $5 million (the remaining portion of his salary for the last two months of the season) and probably give up a prospect or two, they also would get nothing back if he left as a free agent after the season. That’s a mighty steep price to pay, especially for a team such as the Braves that doesn’t have that much money in its budget and would have to get approval to go over budget to make such a deal, or to take some cash from next year’s budget if they’re willing to do that.
The Cubs might pay a portion of Dempster’s salary in order to get higher-quality prospects back in the trade, but that price would probably be even less appealing to the Braves, who’ve shown repeatedly in the past few years that trading top prospects for a quick fix, ala the Mark Teixeira and J.D. Drew trades years ago, is no longer part of their team-building strategy.
And while Teixeira and Drew were acquired with another year left on their contracts, theoretically to help the Braves in two playoff pushes, Dempster or Greinke or any other pending free agent would be here only for two months and the postseason, unless the Braves signed the pitcher to a pricey contract extension.
Another reason such a deal seems unlikely: There are probably going to be fewer sellers and more buyers than ever before, due to the addition of another wild card in the postseason picture. That means fewer teams are going to be far enough out of the race in July to dump key contributors. So besides Dempster, there aren’t even any other proven guys we know are going to be available, though a couple or more could materialize as we get closer to the deadline.
With more teams in wild-card contention, including teams with more money than the Braves, the Cubs might end up being able to pull off a deal – provided Dempster approves; he has 10-and-5 trade-veto rights – without eating much or any of Dempster’s remaining salary, and still get prospects in return.
Times have changed. The new CBA seems likely to make trade-deadline deals more scarce than before, and a commodity such as a proven pitcher who could be the missing piece for a solid playoff contender might be too costly for most teams to even consider pursuing.
One other reason such a deal seems unlikely for the Braves, at least at this time: They’ve got Kris Medlen getting stretched out at Triple-A to come back and start. He’s already made two of the planned three Triple-A starts, and could be in the Braves rotation before the end of the month.
That would eliminate one of the two still-developing kids from the rotation.
And there’s also Jair Jurrjens, making more than $5 million and pitching at Triple-A as he tries to work out his problems and get back to being something resembling the All-Star he was in the first half last season, instead of the pitcher who posted an unsightly 9.37 ERA in four starts this season before he was optioned to Gwinnett.
But he’s only got a 5.26 ERA and 1.430 WHIP in eight Triple-A starts, with just 25 strikeouts in 49-2/3 innings. I know he’s working on things there, but still, those are not numbers that should give anyone confidence that he’s close to being ready to come back and be an impact pitcher at the big-league level.
Still, adding Medlen to the rotation should help solidify things, provided Tim Hudson, Brandon Beachy and Tommy Hanson stay healthy. The Braves are where they are now – seven games above .500 (34-27), three games out of first place and tied with San Francisco for the wild-card lead – despite a rotation that’s been dicey after the first three spots, and despite having Chipper Jones, Brian McCann and Freddie Freeman out of the lineup for significant periods, and with subpar defensive play from the shortstop position before Andrelton Simmons’ recent arrival.
Yankees right fielder Nick Swisher took a potential home run from Brian McCann with this leaping catch Monday. (Curtis Compton photo/AJC)
In other words, there is reason to believe they can be better, and little reason to think what the Braves have done so far is flukish, although Michael Bourn has surpassed expectations. The division is there for the taking, with the Nationals in first and the perennial favorite Phillies in dead last, 8-1/2 games back and losers of eight of their past 10 games, with little reason to believe they are poised to make a run anytime soon.
With an extra wild card added to the postseason tourney in each league, the Braves are in position to get back to the postseason after blowing a big wild-card lead a year ago with their September collapse. If they get in the postseason, they will only need three or, at most, four starters. And with Medlen joining the main three – Hudson, Beachy, Hanson – the Braves should have a solid rotation, again assuming health holds up.
So as the trade deadline approaches, perhaps they will pursue a pitcher. But maybe it’ll be a reliever. Much cheaper all around, and with Medlen out of the bullpen and Peter Moylan’s return still not guaranteed by any means, the Braves could use another arm to go with their main bullpen guys.
During August and September, you’d hate to see games blown because they felt compelled to use Livan Hernandez in the fifth inning of a still-winnable game.
•Tonight’s matchup: Minor vs. the Yankees’ Sabathia might seem like a mismatch at first glance. But it also does at second or third glance.
No, but seriously, Minor showed encouraging signs in his last start Thursday at Miami, holding the Marlins to one run and four hits in five innings of an 8-2 win. That after the lefty went 0-3 with a 9.08 ERA in his previous seven starts.
He’s lasted five innings or fewer in five of his past six starts.
Minor hasn’t faced the Yankees before, and has never faced a lineup quite as potent. He’s been hurt by home runs – 14 allowed in 42-2/3 innings over his past eight starts – and tonight will face a team that’s hit more homers than any other team in the majors. Ninety-three homers in 60 games for the Yanks, including 40 in 28 road games. They’ve hit 32 homers in their past 18 games, including 14 wins.
Sabathia is a relatively modest 2-3 with a 3.97 ERA in his past five starts. He’s 4-1 with a 3.75 ERA in five road starts this season.
Against the Braves, the massive lefty is 1-1 with a 3.24 ERA, but those games were in 2007 and 2008, when few current Braves were on the team. Against Sabathia, Matt Diaz is 5-for-9 and David Ross is 2-for-10 with two home runs.
While the Brave haven’t said who’ll be the odd man out when Medlen returns, I’ve got to think it’ll be Minor. Though Delgado also isn’t going deep in many games, he’s 2-4 with a solid 3.50 ERA in eight starts in May and June. The Braves scored two runs or fewer while he was in all but one of those games, including one or no runs in four of eight. They averaged 2.5 support runs per nine innings he pitched in that span.
If it’s Delgado who stays, that means tonight could possibly be Minor’s last start in the majors for a while, unless the Braves decide Medlen needs more than three starts at Gwinnett to get ready.
• Streaking Bourn: Leadoff man Bourn has hit .320 with a .903 OPS, 15 extra-base hits (six homers), 13 RBI and 22 runs in his past 29 games, including 19-for-46 (.413) with a .460 OBP during an 11-game hitting streak.
By the way, Bourn has hit a stunning .390 with a .475 OBP and .533 slugging percentage in 105 at-bats after getting ahead 1-and-0 in counts. He’s hit .261 with a .283 OBP and .403 slugging in 134 at-bats after first-pitch strikes.
BRAVES LINEUP
- Bourn CF
- Prado LF
- McCann C
- Uggla 2B
- Diaz RF
- Jones 3B
- Freeman 1B
- Simmons SS
- Minor P
• Etc.
Dan Uggla is up to second in the NL and third in the majors with 42 walks. He’s on pace for a career-high 108 and trails only AL Leader Adam Dunn of the White Sox and Cincinnati’s Joey Votto, each with 48. Uggla is fourth in the NL in strikeouts (68) and sixth in RBIs (41)…..
Raul Ibanez has wielded a hot bat against the Braves, including this homer that Jason Heyward tried to catch in Monday's loss to the Yankees. (Curtis Compton photo/AJC)
Simmons went 6-for-18 with two extra-base hits, two RBIs, a .400 OBP and three RBis in his first six games; he’s 1-for-14 with a homer, one RBI and a .133 OBP in four games since….
Yankees (and former Phillies) outfielder Raul Ibanez homered Monday and has five homers and 29 RBIs in his past 35 games against the Braves. He’s hit .359 (14-for-39) with four homers and 14 RBIs in nine games against them since last July….
The Yankees are 14-4 with a 2.82 ERA and 32 home runs in their past 18 games, including 7-1 with a freakin’ 1.63 ERA and 15 homers (40 runs) in their past eight games….
The Braves are 8-11 with a .231 batting average and 72 runs in their past 19 games, and 29 of the runs came in three games (they scored 43 in the other 16 games). That period included and eight-game losing streak and a six-game winning streak….
Sabathia has thrown at least 104 pitches in all 12 starts this season, including 112 or more in six. Delgado threw a career-high 110 pitches in five innings Monday.
OK, let’s close with some fine rock ‘n’ roll from one of the most underrated artists alive, Mark Lanegan. You can hear it by clicking here.
“THE GRAVEDIGGER’S SONG” by Mark Lanegan
With piranha teeth
I’ve been dreaming of you
And the taste of your love, so sweet
Honest, it’s true
Through my heart flows sleep
And the dark, heavy rain
Where the gravedigger’s song is sung
You’ve been torturing me
Tout est noir, mon amour
Tout est blanc
Je t’aime, mon amour
Comme j’aime la nuit
Love, is the medicine good?
Is the crow flying eight miles high
Over wire and wood?
Shovel down six feet
With a head heavy pain
The magnolia blooms so sweet
And it fades just the same
To the stars, my love
To the sea
To the wheels, my love
‘Til they roll all over me
Oh love, I’ve been thinking of you
With razor white teeth, so sharp
Honest, it’s true
In my blood flows sleep
And the dark heavy rain
The magnolia blooms so sweet
Only torturing me
To the stars, my love
To the sea
To the wheels, my love
‘Til they roll all over me
– by David O’Brien, Braves/MIB blog
2,623 comments Add your comment
Jay Dubu
June 12th, 2012
2:38 pm
You know it!!!!
unbelievable
June 12th, 2012
2:39 pm
aka…Michael Bourn
RC
June 12th, 2012
2:41 pm
DOB, thanks for not writing that McCann was “robbed” of a HR, like so many other recaps I’ve read today. From all replays, it appeared that the ball wasn’t going to quite make it over the wall, although it was certainly a well hit ball.
unbelievable
June 12th, 2012
2:42 pm
RC – you must have missed the comment directly under the Swisher photo.
ChopAttack
June 12th, 2012
2:43 pm
Heyward needs to bat higher than McCann and Freeman. Those two aren’t hitting as well, but they’re getting more at bats.
southern hope
June 12th, 2012
2:43 pm
I was at the game last night….and we can blame delgardo & the pitching staff for the 3 on the board but not for the zero next to it.
Brian from SC
June 12th, 2012
2:43 pm
Minor vs. the Yankees’ Sabathia might seem like a mismatch at first glance. But it also does at second or third glance.
LOL!!!
RC
June 12th, 2012
2:44 pm
unbelievable,
I saw it, but it at least said a “potential” HR, acknowledging that it wasn’t heading out for sure. Plus, DOB doesn’t write the photo captions (I don’t think).
southern hope
June 12th, 2012
2:45 pm
DOB: “Minor vs. the Yankees’ Sabathia might seem like a mismatch at first glance. But it also does at second or third glance.” — LOL.
RC
June 12th, 2012
2:46 pm
Heyward needs to bat higher than McCann and Freeman. Those two aren’t hitting as well, but they’re getting more at bats.
For better or worse, I think that Fredi likes to use the #3 hole to “get a hitter going”. That’s the only reason McCann would be there over Freeman. Freeman was doing great batting 3rd, then had eye trouble, scuffled, went to the bench, and was placed in the #5 hole when coming back. Not sure why he wasn’t given a chance to go back to #3.
flange1
June 12th, 2012
2:47 pm
Thanks for the new blog DOB!
McFann :Ô: :Ô:
June 12th, 2012
2:48 pm
Dangit, just gotta keep rubbin’ it in my face about that Swisher play, don’t we?…
(ITS)
Thanks for the new Blog, Chief.
Braves Fan in Maine
June 12th, 2012
2:49 pm
Royals put Frenchy on the trade block!!!!!
ncscoots
June 12th, 2012
2:50 pm
I love backgammon…But live, I’m goin’ no cup. Cup’s too much work.
You are such a heathen, LOL.
reckingball
June 12th, 2012
2:50 pm
go bravos!
McFann :Ô: :Ô:
June 12th, 2012
2:50 pm
RC For better or worse, I think that Fredi likes to use the #3 hole to “get a hitter going”.
Too bad it doesn’t work…BMac was coming around before he got shoved into that spot…
Not sure why he wasn’t given a chance to go back to #3.
Me neither. I don’t lose any sleep over it (if you cann believe that), but it bugs the [crud] outta me…
cricket
June 12th, 2012
2:51 pm
Cubs fire hitting coach Rudy Jaramillo. Remember when so many felt he was THE ANSWER to braves’ offensive woes?
RC
June 12th, 2012
2:51 pm
Royals put Frenchy on the trade block!!!!!
I think Frenchy should go ahead and invest in a home on the trade block. In the long run its than renting one each year.
PDOG
June 12th, 2012
2:52 pm
Medlin needs to go back to the bullpen as evidenced by the game on Sunday his value will be much greater there.
Woody Woodward
June 12th, 2012
2:52 pm
I’m not one to complain about such things, DOB, but the headline “braves trade for demptster” is a bit of a heart stopper. Took me a second to read past the comma; glad it wasn’t a semi-colon.
RC
June 12th, 2012
2:53 pm
Should have said “its cheaper than renting one each year”. Stupid typos
cricket
June 12th, 2012
2:53 pm
Rememer Teixeira’s interview other day where he acknowledged yankees are home run hitting team and depend on homers but that’s ok since they have so many home run hitters. Does not bode well with Minor’s propensity to give up long balls.
Sopheee
June 12th, 2012
2:53 pm
Royals put Frenchy on the trade block!!!!!
Oh joy. How many minutes pass by before someone pines for a return here?
Braves Fan in Maine
June 12th, 2012
2:54 pm
Id rather have frenchy right now with his arm and defense than diaz and or costanze
ncbravesfan90
June 12th, 2012
2:55 pm
If the Braves want to have a fighting chance of actually being able to compete in the playoffs, or even make the playoffs, they will HAVE to acqurie a proven starting pitcher. Minor, Delgado, Teheran, Medlen, JJ, just won’t cut it as the 4 and 5 starters, just look at the numbers.
Woody Woodward
June 12th, 2012
2:55 pm
When is the Roger mcDowell bashing going to begin?
Sopheee
June 12th, 2012
2:56 pm
One whole minute.
Winner.
Braves Fan in Maine
June 12th, 2012
2:56 pm
Woody Woodward……. hopefully soon he is awful at managing this rotation
RC
June 12th, 2012
2:57 pm
Sample AJC headlines
BRAVES TRADE FOR BRAUN….isn’t going to happen
BRAVES RELEASE HEYWARD is happy with the progress he’s been making
HANSON CUT a blister on his finger. Doesn’t expect to miss a start.
Murph
June 12th, 2012
2:57 pm
I read the headline and my jaw dropped, not believing that the team had just traded for Dempster.
I was neither happy nor sad, just surprised. Then I read further and and realized that no trade had taken place… and as quickly as my mind had tried to make sense of the trade, it has just as quickly gone back to thinking about which types of cheese I like and which types I do not.
ncscoots
June 12th, 2012
2:59 pm
thinking about which types of cheese I like and which types I do not.
I’m a Gouda guy.
Bay Area Steve
June 12th, 2012
2:59 pm
Anti-Frenchy-Trade Club? I think Hillbilly’s still lookin’ for an office.
Just make sure he uses a dice cup if y’all play Yahtzee. And, then ask yourself why you’re playing Yahtzee. God, I hated that game. Stupid five-of-a-kinds.
RC
June 12th, 2012
2:59 pm
Murph,
Big fan of grated parmesan. Goes really well on a burger in place of the usual Kraft single.
ncbravesfan90
June 12th, 2012
3:02 pm
I guess trading for Dempster just makes too much sense and would be a pefect fit, I don’t know.
Murph
June 12th, 2012
3:02 pm
Gouda is good, I also dig parmesan… after watching a show the other night all about cheese I’ve realized that I’m very sheltered and know very little about cheese, at least real cheese that isn’t made by Kraft or some other mass-producer.
When I make my famous green chile cheeseburgers I use extra-sharp cheddar.
Juan
June 12th, 2012
3:03 pm
MLBTR report that DOB from AJC Dempster Trade for the Braves
WOW……April fool….oh wait is June 12
cricket
June 12th, 2012
3:04 pm
Woody Woodward – I read it the same way and was getting ready to see how Lew was going to complement Ward
Brandon
June 12th, 2012
3:05 pm
DOB…first thing I read was “Braves trade for Dempster…” Nice way to grab our attention! Haha
ChucktownBrave
June 12th, 2012
3:05 pm
The Braves don’t need pitching help, they just need patience with the young guys. Oh and Simmons was robbed last night of a hit.
ncscoots
June 12th, 2012
3:05 pm
I’ve realized that I’m very sheltered and know very little about cheese, at least real cheese that isn’t made by Kraft or some other mass-producer.
You need new parties to go to, LOL.
Ease
June 12th, 2012
3:06 pm
I’m a Gouda guy.
Smoked or old?
Ease
June 12th, 2012
3:07 pm
Tonight’s lineup: Bourn 8 Prado 7 McCann 2 Uggla 4 Diaz 9 Jones 5 Freeman 3 Simmons 6 Minor 1
Frankie Wren
June 12th, 2012
3:07 pm
oh the pain, the pain. Still holding out for Dempster. Mortgage the bloody future, who cares about next year!!! Get Chipper a ring! FW pull a Cardinal trade that makes no sense ie Rasmus, Jackson, Patterson etc. For the love of Chipper man, make it happen!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Woody Woodward
June 12th, 2012
3:08 pm
Cricket, woulda been worth the price of demptster to see that!
RC
June 12th, 2012
3:09 pm
SIMMONS SENT DOWN in the bottom of the 3rd on a lineout double play to the pitcher.
HUDSON RETIRES the side with no walks or hits in the 6th.
Najeh Davenpoop
June 12th, 2012
3:09 pm
Maybe I am the only dumbass who thinks so, but this headline was a little misleading. I read it to mean that they just made a trade for Dempster and further trades for pitching are unlikely.
ncbravesfan90
June 12th, 2012
3:09 pm
“The Braves don’t need pitching help, they just need patience with the young guys.”
They need pitching help that can contribute to the Major league club in an effective way this year. Let the young guys season in the Minor leagues. There’s a NL East title to be had.
RC
June 12th, 2012
3:09 pm
Crap, messed up my bold formatting. Still practicing my AJC headlines.
Frankie Wren
June 12th, 2012
3:10 pm
Getting a ring in Atlanta is more difficult than Frodo getting to Mordor.
Ease
June 12th, 2012
3:10 pm
DOB is not the headline writer, so I doubt he cares that much…
least of the east
June 12th, 2012
3:10 pm
all they draft early almost every year are pitchers and we still don’t have enough. their scouting is overrated. Minor will prove that again tonight when he gives up at least 2 homers to Yanks.
if van Poppel had agreed to sign back in 1990, we’d have another pitching stiff on our long list. luckily, he refused and we took Chipper 1st overall.
Bay Area Steve
June 12th, 2012
3:11 pm
No platoon, huh?
ncscoots
June 12th, 2012
3:11 pm
Ease, I’m more partial to the smoked. But, truthfully, I’m pretty much a cheese slut. I’ll even eat Brie, if that’s what’s on the table.
I do tend to draw the line at Kraft singles, though. Man’s got to have some pride.
David O'Brien
June 12th, 2012
3:11 pm
Braves lineup: Bourn CF, Prado LF, McCann C, Uggla 2B, Diaz RF, Chipper 3B, Freeman 1B, Simmons SS, Minor P
Brad
June 12th, 2012
3:12 pm
Would a player like Matt Garza interest the Braves? They’d have him for a year and a half before he hits free agency and would definitely solidify the rotation.
The price would be higher than a half-year rental pitcher, but the Braves have a deep farm system and the Cubs will most likely be looking to move Garza this July for prospects. The Braves have plenty of young pitching prospects to deal, Minor and Delgado included.
Frankie Wren
June 12th, 2012
3:13 pm
Yankees good possibility of getting Garza. He will help somebody as well.
McFann :Ô: :Ô:
June 12th, 2012
3:14 pm
Lord in Heaven…
ncscoots
June 12th, 2012
3:14 pm
No platoon, huh?
Heyward faced every lefty in creation when he was hitting .200, he gets a few hits in June and gets splinters against lefties. Fredo has got some magical mind.
cabravesfan
June 12th, 2012
3:14 pm
Matt Diaz is 5-9 against Sabathia
Braves Fan in Maine
June 12th, 2012
3:15 pm
I dont want the braves to trade the farm for a 1-1.5 player….. still feel the pain from the tex deal
Frankie Wren
June 12th, 2012
3:15 pm
Cab with the knockout punch. Can’t fault Fredo there.
Boyd
June 12th, 2012
3:16 pm
Give me a good sharp cheese and I am happy. Throw in a laxative.
cabravesfan
June 12th, 2012
3:16 pm
Frankie Wren-
I confess I lifted that from DOB’s twitter…and he mentioned it in the blog as well
cabravesfan
June 12th, 2012
3:18 pm
And I suspect it will not be the last time that stat will have to be mentioned…
JT Grace
June 12th, 2012
3:18 pm
Looks like Frediot is back to his old tricks again. Jason has sat against LHP twice in the last week. Someone needs to remind Fredi that YOU DO NOT PLATOON A YOUNG PLAYER LIKE HEYWARD!!!!!!
If the Braves aren’t going to play Jason every day he should be traded to another team. This is ridiculous.
flange1
June 12th, 2012
3:19 pm
I would rather have Heyward.
cabravesfan
June 12th, 2012
3:19 pm
Like I was saying…
MATT DIAZ IS 5-9 AGAINST SABATHIA
ncscoots
June 12th, 2012
3:19 pm
Can’t fault Fredo there.
Sure, I can.
Frankie Wren
June 12th, 2012
3:19 pm
This has been beat to death but have to revisit. JS pulled a major rock in 07. Heading for one of the worse trades of alltime. Salty and Harrison are now lighting it up.
Ahhh, who cares. Get Dempster and win for Chipper and watch the Gwinnett Braves the next 4 years.
Efrim
June 12th, 2012
3:20 pm
No platoon, huh?
Heyward faced every lefty in creation when he was hitting .200, he gets a few hits in June and gets splinters against lefties. Fredo has got some magical mind.
2 days off in the last 3 days with another off day on Thursday. Awesome.
Slide J-Hey
June 12th, 2012
3:20 pm
Thats one reason Braves should have got Oswalt….
Frenchy can go to Maine? are to *#@*
McDonell should have been fired last year..it didn’t just start Woody..where u been?
Wren did nothing since last year and now you see the results.Amen!
Bay Area Steve
June 12th, 2012
3:20 pm
“Matt Diaz is 5-9 against Sabathia”
I read the blog, and I didn’t say I disagree. If you want Diaz in, you have to sit Chipper or Heyward. I remarked because many here said a platoon wouldn’t happen. Sitting twice in a row against lefties is gettin’ awful close…
RC
June 12th, 2012
3:20 pm
Looks like Frediot is back to his old tricks again. Jason has sat against LHP twice in the last week. Someone needs to remind Fredi that YOU DO NOT PLATOON A YOUNG PLAYER LIKE HEYWARD!!!!!!
If the Braves aren’t going to play Jason every day he should be traded to another team. This is ridiculous.
Normally I’d agree, but come’on, it’s CC freakin’ Sabathia. If you are going to give Heyward a day off, now is a great time to do it.
I’m more surprised by the move to play 2 3b and no LF. Pretty unconventional Fredi
JT Grace
June 12th, 2012
3:20 pm
Matt Diaz is 5-9 against Sabathia
Small. Sample. Size.
Jason is the better overall player and is one of the top young players in baseball. Frediot is probably the only manager dumb enough to platoon him.
Sopheee
June 12th, 2012
3:21 pm
Still no me gusta. Too many days off, imo.
Frankie Wren
June 12th, 2012
3:21 pm
MATT DIAZ IS 5-9 AGAINST SABATHIA
MATT DIAZ IS 5-9 AGAINST SABATHIA’
MATT DIAZ IS 5-9 AGAINST SABATHIA
MATT DIAZ IS 5-9 AGAINST SABATHIA.
Forgot the point I was trying to make.
B_F 52
June 12th, 2012
3:22 pm
Eh Tu Murph ? I thought we had traded for Dempter too.
I am hoping JJ is the comeback kid and ergo our Dempster
ncscoots
June 12th, 2012
3:22 pm
Salty and Harrison are now lighting it up.
Five years later, Frankie. Five…bleepin’…years.
JT Grace
June 12th, 2012
3:22 pm
If you are going to give Heyward a day off, now is a great time to do it.
If Jason did not also miss the Ricky Romero game I would agree. This is getting awfully close to smacking of a platoon and I don’t like it one bit. It’s not good for Jason and it’s not good for the team going forward.
RC
June 12th, 2012
3:23 pm
I forgot that Heyward sat Sunday. Yeah, Fredi might be doing Fredo things again….
cabravesfan
June 12th, 2012
3:23 pm
Ok, you want a larger sample size?
Career vs. lefties:
Heyward: .221
Diaz: .328
Slide J-Hey
June 12th, 2012
3:23 pm
cabravesfan..5-9 don’t mean shi# as for him getting a hit tonight. My Border Collie can catch and run better than Diaz. Probably hit too.
Hillbilly
June 12th, 2012
3:23 pm
Just make sure he uses a dice cup if y’all play Yahtzee. And, then ask yourself why you’re playing Yahtzee. God, I hated that game. Stupid five-of-a-kinds.
Couldn’t secure the 35 point bonus, huh? Don’t hate.
Braves Fan in Maine
June 12th, 2012
3:24 pm
Fredi is an idiot play the kid and have em work out his problems….. this management could screw up a T BALL TEAM!!! Fredi , wren must go
RC
June 12th, 2012
3:25 pm
Considering that Heyward sat Sunday, it might have made sense to have either Prado or Diaz play 1b tonight and give Freddie a night off. But of course that’s not happening
Frankie Wren
June 12th, 2012
3:25 pm
“Five years later, Frankie. Five…bleepin’…years”
Doesn’t matter if it 5 yrs or 1 year. Still goes down as one of the most brutal trades in history. Hell, I was for it actually. Doesn’t change anything. Like talking about Lou Brock traded from Cubs to Cards. This one will get discussion down the road. Just sayin
keylargo
June 12th, 2012
3:26 pm
Mac at 3rd again? I would really rather see him at 7 than 3. One more 0 fer 4 and he’ll be hitting .228 with an OPS of .692.
Efrim
June 12th, 2012
3:26 pm
MATT DIAZ IS 5-9 AGAINST SABATHIA
He’s going to hit LHP better than Heyward. He just is. So is it a platoon, or not? I guess we’ll see. Chen, Sabathia and Pettitte three outta four days next week. I doubt Heyward will sit all three…..I hope.
cabravesfan
June 12th, 2012
3:26 pm
It would make zero sense to have Diaz or Marteen play 1st base tonight. Neither is any kind of 1st baseman. If Freddie got the day off, Hinske would be in there
Bay Area Steve
June 12th, 2012
3:26 pm
“Couldn’t secure the 35 point bonus, huh? Don’t hate.”
Must hate. No, not many bonuses, for sure. You never saw a guy fill up his wild spots so fast. 20 rolls to go, and my wilds are filled. Hated that game.
Braves Fan in Maine
June 12th, 2012
3:27 pm
I agree with you Frankie Wren (ugh hate that name) that trade will haunt us
Russell Bell
June 12th, 2012
3:27 pm
I’ll even eat Brie, if that’s what’s on the table.
Put down the cheese plate, Scoots!
Frankie Wren
June 12th, 2012
3:27 pm
Keylargo- Mac killed the ball yesterday.
TennesseePaul
June 12th, 2012
3:28 pm
Thanks for the work DOB.
GO BRAVES!!
Last 9 Starts of the Starting 9
_________AVG__OBP__SLG___OPS_wOBA_L9S9+
Bourn__ .436 .463 .615 1.079 .467 __191
Prado__ .268 .268 .366 0.634 .275 ___71
McCann_ .182 .289 .303 0.593 .236 ___62
Uggla__ .241 .421 .621 1.042 .419 __180
Diaz___ .281 .361 .438 0.799 .333 __117
Chipper .250 .294 .281 0.575 .264 ___58
Freeman .270 .270 .405 0.676 .290 ___81
Simmons .219 .286 .406 0.692 .280 ___86
Minor__ .056 .056 .056 0.111 .096 __-70
Penpal
June 12th, 2012
3:28 pm
I love my Braves, win or loose, but, most of all I respect the class of the Braves. No silly childish antics when they get on base, No pie in the face when they do an interview, No Gatorade bath. I think those things are degrading, not complimentary.
RC
June 12th, 2012
3:28 pm
It would make zero sense to have Diaz or Marteen play 1st base tonight. Neither is any kind of 1st baseman. If Freddie got the day off, Hinske would be in there
Both have played 1b in the past couple of years. Neither would be an issue for one game, especially if the goal is to maximize the RH bats vs. Sabathia.
Efrim
June 12th, 2012
3:28 pm
Ok, you want a larger sample size?
Career vs. lefties:
Well, I tell ya…. If we’re calling it quits on the Heyward as an everyday player this far into the season……
Slide J-Hey
June 12th, 2012
3:28 pm
It don’t really make a damn..fredi will screw it up..
flange1
June 12th, 2012
3:29 pm
I could care less what Diaz has hit against CC, I would rather have Heyward.
Bay Area Steve
June 12th, 2012
3:29 pm
What’s nice, whichever side you’re on, is that Fredi has the option.
‘Cause if we’re bickerin’ about starts, that means that Chipper’s in, and the FMJ is good. Don’t matter who plays, we gotta swing it. And, as big a fan as I am of Heyward, he hits, he’ll play. It’s on him.
cabravesfan
June 12th, 2012
3:30 pm
Diaz made 2 starts at first in 2007
Marteen hasn’t played there since 2010, when he played 5 games
Pete*
June 12th, 2012
3:30 pm
Najeh Davenpoop: ” I read it to mean that they just made a trade for Dempster and further trades for pitching are unlikely.”
If that was the case, instead of “Braves trade for Dempster, other front-line pitcher looks unlikely” there would be a semi-colon in place of the comma. So it would read “Braves trade for Dempster; other front-line pitcher {trade} looks unlikely” would change the whole meaning.
RC
June 12th, 2012
3:31 pm
I love my Braves, win or loose, but, most of all I respect the class of the Braves. No silly childish antics when they get on base, No pie in the face when they do an interview, No Gatorade bath. I think those things are degrading, not complimentary.
Have you watched the team the past few years?? Every time they win the game in the 9th inning, the guy who scored the run or got the hit is given a “dirt bath” on the field. And they’ve used the pie in the face MANY times during interviews. They do that kind of thing all the time.
JT Grace
June 12th, 2012
3:31 pm
It’s funny that Frediot was so obsessed with defense at shortstop but isn’t in the least bit concerned with defense at RF. Jason has had a solid start to the season yet Fredi sees fit to bench him at every opportunity.
Efrim
June 12th, 2012
3:31 pm
Freeman vs. LHP this year: .234/.286/.364
Heyward vs. LHP this year: .194/.256/.319
Fredo is playing it by the numbers. He’s a saber guy.
TennesseePaul
June 12th, 2012
3:32 pm
I have my doubts the new CBA curbed any trade acquisitions for the Braves. Wren hasn’t been much on keeping players for draft picks anyway… as the Teixeira for Kotchman trade displays. Wren has so far demonstrated that given the choice, the already drafted is preferred to the has yet to be drafted.
I think Meds stretching out and the presence of Polished, Delgado, Teheran, JJ and any number of AAAA pitchers this team used to trot out with great fan fair could fill in on short notice and get the job done.
But, I also believe with the presence of all those players the Braves could make a deal for someone who fills a future need. What that is, I don’t know. But I wouldn’t rule out the Braves making a deal.
Slide J-Hey
June 12th, 2012
3:32 pm
penpal— no they put MUD and dirt all over each other…so childish and stupid. One day they’re going to get it a players eyes and then all hell will break out…
TennesseePaul
June 12th, 2012
3:33 pm
Fredo is playing it by the numbers. He’s a saber guy.
If he was a saber guy his reasonable expectation would be that these two would stink until they get to about 26/27 years old, but he’d play them anyway because he has reasonable expectations.
sleepy steve
June 12th, 2012
3:33 pm
FG has lost his mind….i dont give a rats @$$ id Diaz is 30-30 vs sabathia, he doesnt need to play unless there is an injury. JHEY needs to play everyday. IF we get to the playoffs, is he going to sit JHEY vs lefties then? SMFH!!!!!!!!!
RC
June 12th, 2012
3:34 pm
Fredo is playing it by the numbers. He’s a saber guy.
Nice dig.
ncscoots
June 12th, 2012
3:35 pm
If we’re calling it quits on the Heyward as an everyday player this far into the season
I doubt that’s Fredo’s intent. If he were of that mind (and still had a firing synapse), he would have done it the second week of May. He wouldn’t wait until the guy scalds it for a week and a half.
I don’t particularly care for sitting one of the hottest bats on the team twice in three days, but some of our posters are sounding a little whiny about it.
RC
June 12th, 2012
3:35 pm
IF we get to the playoffs, is he going to sit JHEY vs lefties then? SMFH!!!!!!!!!
If we are facing Sabathia? Probably so.
Efrim
June 12th, 2012
3:35 pm
I swear….I’ll never look at the term “reasonable expectations”(or even the words by themselves) the same ever again. Poor, Shaun. He walked into that one. A friggin 95, and he still doesn’t get it. Sigh….
keylargo
June 12th, 2012
3:35 pm
FW – you must have missed this. I just think there are better choices to hit 3rd now. Plus 3rd is a place in the order that traditionally has some speed
Atlanta AB R H RBI BB SO LOB AVG
Bourn, CF 4 0 1 0 0 2 1 .319
Prado, LF 4 0 1 0 0 1 1 .320
McCann, C 4 0 0 0 0 0 1 .234
richbrave
June 12th, 2012
3:36 pm
MEDLEN is NOT the answer to our prayers.
StrunkAndWagnel
June 12th, 2012
3:36 pm
Sheesh, fix your headline. I guarantee you your journalism teacher would have failed you for that. (Whether “you” is DOB or an editor doesn’t matter.) How about “Braves unlikely to trade for Dempster, other front-line pitcher.”
JT Grace
June 12th, 2012
3:37 pm
“IF we get to the playoffs,….”
Sadly, I don’t think the Braves can make the playoffs as long as Fredi is managing. He practically gift wrapped the last game in the Blue Jays series. If the Braves had a better manager they probably would have at least a couple more wins this season.
unbelievable
June 12th, 2012
3:37 pm
Isnt Diaz 5-9 against Sabathia
I heard that somewhere
Who did we give up for Dempster?
RC
June 12th, 2012
3:37 pm
It’s funny that Frediot was so obsessed with defense at shortstop but isn’t in the least bit concerned with defense at RF. Jason has had a solid start to the season yet Fredi sees fit to bench him at every opportunity.
That because defense at SS is MUCH more important. And the gap between a great SS and a below average SS has much more effect than the deference between a great RF and a mediocre one.
McFann :Ô: :Ô:
June 12th, 2012
3:38 pm
Diaz is 5-9 against Sabathia
And BMac is 0-3…Diaz should be batting 3rd!!…
unbelievable
June 12th, 2012
3:38 pm
MEDLEN is NOT the answer to our prayers.
Depends on the prayer.
Kimbreling
June 12th, 2012
3:38 pm
Was I the only one mislead by the title? “Braves trade for Dempster, other front-line pitcher looks unlikely.”
Got excited there for a minute.
brad
June 12th, 2012
3:39 pm
Once again the AJCrap pulls this. No wonder they are going down the tubes.
Efrim
June 12th, 2012
3:39 pm
Andre Ethier just made 85 million dollars despite hitting .246/.307/.366 vs, LHP for his entire career(971 plate appearances).
Of course, he’s hit .308/.384/.526 against RHP in over 2600 PA’s. But nevertheless, 673 vs. LH and 85 million dollars from ages 31-35.
Frankie Wren
June 12th, 2012
3:39 pm
” think Meds stretching out and the presence of Polished, Delgado, Teheran, JJ and any number of AAAA pitchers this team used to trot out with great fan fair could fill in on short notice and get the job done.
But, I also believe with the presence of all those players the Braves could make a deal for someone who fills a future need. What that is, I don’t know. But I wouldn’t rule out the Braves making”
Yep, could get the job done and maybe sneak into a WC position. Is that the goal though? Bigger deal needs to be made if want to do more than make the playoffs. To advance, these arms will no way get it done.
Cardinals last season relying on Carpenter and company. Giants year before banking on Lincecum, Cain, Bumgarner(much more polished than Delgado right now).
It is a tough call no doubt and wouldn’t want to be in FW shoes. Huddy is a gamer and can deliver big games. A #1 though, out to the bump in postseason needing to deliver more than once, don’t know. Don’t see a Carpenter performance in him. Dempster would be a outstanding #2 and compensate. Like to see Chipper go out on top, possible but not probable as is. We will see.
RC
June 12th, 2012
3:39 pm
MEDLEN is NOT the answer to our prayers.
Is he having a bad day on the mound, or just wanted to get the comment out there?
bravesgrl4life
June 12th, 2012
3:40 pm
If Diaz goes 3 for 4 against CC tonight, I want each and every one of you b!tch!n about him being in the lineup to promise to get on here tomorrow and say what an idiot you were on Tuesday for doubting Fredi’s move.
I’m not a Fredi apologist either – I think Sunday was an abomination of a managing job, as well as a pizz-poor pitching performance from Livan. Somebody on the FB Tomahawk Nation page last night said something about sending Livan down and I responded send him down, he!!, send him packin’!
cricket
June 12th, 2012
3:40 pm
Vlad is available
cabravesfan
June 12th, 2012
3:40 pm
Efrim-
I think the Dodgers way overpaid Ethier and will regret it in the not too distant future
JT Grace
June 12th, 2012
3:40 pm
“Isnt Diaz 5-9 against Sabathia”
Small………sample……..size!!
Yes, the headline needs fixed….it is very misleading.
ncscoots
June 12th, 2012
3:40 pm
And BMac is 0-3 [against Sabathia]…Diaz should be batting 3rd!!…
…and catching.
Tastes Like Chicken
June 12th, 2012
3:41 pm
This blog needs a dose of Sonny Clusters. Where are you big man? also, I saw Chip Carey down at spring training and he walks like a chick.
Kimbreling
June 12th, 2012
3:41 pm
Apparantly not, even though technically DOB is grammatically correct.
Ed
June 12th, 2012
3:41 pm
Why trade for a pitcher when Fredi can just bring in Livan “Shutdown” Hernandez in the 5th and totally piss away any chance of us staying in the game?
B_F 52
June 12th, 2012
3:42 pm
Strunk and wagnalls no fish tacos for you
Frankie Wren
June 12th, 2012
3:42 pm
Keylargo- I agree that he is not ideal #3 hitter. I prefer to see FF still there although not ideal either. Mac hit the ball hard last night so might as well give him a couple of more games there to see what he does. FF isn’t bashing the ball right now.
Fish Bisch
June 12th, 2012
3:42 pm
Sadbathia owns us
flange1
June 12th, 2012
3:42 pm
Not a problem Braves girl, but if Diaz goes 0 for anything, YOU need to do the same!
George Stein
June 12th, 2012
3:43 pm
Not playing Heyward, huh? I sometimes feel like Fredi is trolling me.
McFann :Ô: :Ô:
June 12th, 2012
3:43 pm
ncscoots—
Well, I wouldn’t go that far…
cricket
June 12th, 2012
3:44 pm
He’s big, green and usually just a little goofy, but an Abington woman claims the Phillie Phanatic turned into the Incredible Hulk at the Jersey Shore when he tossed her in a hotel pool.
Suzanne Peirce claims she was attending her sister’s wedding at The Golden Inn in Avalon on July 17, 2010 and was poolside with the Phanatic, who was “engaging in various antics” during a comic routine, according to a lawsuit filed last week in Common Pleas Court and first reported by Courthouse News,
The Phanatic suddenly picked up both Peirce and her lounge chair and tossed both into the pool, according to the suit.
Peirce claims she hurt just about everything in the incident, including suffering “severe and permanent injuries to her head, neck, back, body, arms and legs, bones, muscles, tendons, ligaments, nerves and tissues …” and more. The pool did have water in it, attorney Aaron Denker said, though Peirce was tossed in the shallow end.
Tumbledown
June 12th, 2012
3:44 pm
I was mislead as I thought for a moment the Braves had acquired Dempster. There must have been a better way to word the title. Oh well, tis a minor quibble. I am more concerned about how the Braves always lay down to the Yankees. I despise the Yankees so much, and it sickens me how the Braves lost eight straight World Series games to that team im 96 and 99.
ncscoots
June 12th, 2012
3:44 pm
and say what an idiot you were on Tuesday for doubting Fredi’s move.
Evaluating the wisdom of any action taken in a single baseball game, purely on results, is not a smart thing. Bad decisions produce good results all too often, and vice versa.
Efrim
June 12th, 2012
3:45 pm
cab, so do I. I think that contract was a bit much.
Frankie Wren
June 12th, 2012
3:45 pm
“Give me a World Series parade on Peachtree, or give me death.”
Farewell Braves fans
JT Grace
June 12th, 2012
3:45 pm
“If Diaz goes 3 for 4 against CC tonight……….say what an idiot you were on Tuesday for doubting Fredi’s move.”
No, because we would have no idea of knowing if Jason would have gone 4 – 4 or hit a titantic home run off of him that scored 3 runs and won the game. Jason is the more talented player by giant leaps and bounds. He should start EVERY game except to get a day off here and there.
I didn’t have a thing negative to say when Jason sat against Romero because I thought it was just a routine day off. It’s being benched AGAIN by the grand poobah of stupidity that annoys me.
keylargo
June 12th, 2012
3:46 pm
Vlad is available
I remember one time in the 80’s we gave a dozen bats and some baseballs for a catcher to some Independent League team. That would be too much to pay for Vlad.
bravesgrl4life
June 12th, 2012
3:46 pm
flange1 – oh, if MattE does go 0-fer, I will say that Fredi should have pulled him and put Jason in half-way through the game to see what would happen. But not a one of the gripers can say that Jason wouldn’t go 0-fer either.
TennesseePaul
June 12th, 2012
3:46 pm
Still goes down as one of the most brutal trades in history.
Teixeira was a premium talent. And it took talent to get him… Unless Frank Wren was at the helm and then all it took was Casey Kotchman. That Teixeira trade is the worst one.
I’m not sure how acquiring a guy who hit .295/.395/.548/.943 with 37 home runs in 157 games for a package of third tier prospects is considered a bad deal.
Elvis Andrus, Behind Brent Lillibridge who was behind Yunel Escobar who was behind Edgar Renteria.
Salty, who was behind Brian McCann.
Matt Harrison who was behind Tommy Hanson, Julio Teheran
Neftali Feliz who was behind Tommy Hanson, Julio Teheran
Beau Jones who has never pitched int he big leagues and looks to never pitch in the big leagues.
phil
June 12th, 2012
3:46 pm
Mac is “hitting” third again I see…..great….sigh.
And no Wayward in the lineup….I bet it’s because in 2006, Diaz was 3-4 off of CC in a meaningless ST game. Not that I expect Jason to do much of anything, but if he’s supposed to be our regular RF, he needs to play, not sit, lefty or no lefty. And don’t give me any Diaz is 5-9 off of CC crap either.
McFann :Ô: :Ô:
June 12th, 2012
3:46 pm
Buster Posey and his 6 errors have taken the voting lead from Y. Molina…
Efrim
June 12th, 2012
3:47 pm
Evaluating the wisdom of any action taken in a single baseball game, purely on results, is not a smart thing.
Well said. Not many believe this, though. Seen way too many here just point to results.
Dudley Dooright
June 12th, 2012
3:48 pm
This breaking news just came in from the AJC: Braves Complete Trade for Verlander
Efrim
June 12th, 2012
3:49 pm
Worst decision this org. has made within the last 5 years is Tex for Kotchman and Marek. Angels use the picks they get back for Tex to draft Mike Trout.
Jay Dubu
June 12th, 2012
3:49 pm
It’s official…Heyward is back in a platoon.
phil
June 12th, 2012
3:49 pm
ncscoots
June 12th, 2012
3:44 pm
and say what an idiot you were on Tuesday for doubting Fredi’s move.
Evaluating the wisdom of any action taken in a single baseball game, purely on results, is not a smart thing. Bad decisions produce good results all too often, and vice versa.
****************
What? In baseball? Never…
cricket
June 12th, 2012
3:49 pm
Bad decisions produce good results all too often, and vice versa.
yes, but then how does one really decide if decisions are bad or just the brilliance of a beautiful mind beyond the understanding of simpletons?
and don’t tell me stats can indicate whether decisions were bad or good, that’s shaun’s job
Frankie Wren
June 12th, 2012
3:49 pm
“I’m not a Fredi apologist either – I think Sunday was an abomination of a managing job, as well as a pizz-poor pitching performance from Livan. ”
Anybody say for than 1 line about his decisions to hit and run when Delgado was up or taking the kid out the right time in Miami? Too funny how any good is taken for granted or completely forgotten the day after. The guy has done a decent job overall and handled the bullpen very well. Again, he’s not Torre but not Lee Elia either.
Fish Bisch
June 12th, 2012
3:49 pm
When did we get Dempster?
RC
June 12th, 2012
3:50 pm
I remember one time in the 80’s we gave a dozen bats and some baseballs for a catcher to some Independent League team. That would be too much to pay for Vlad.
It was the 90’s, and a pitcher we received. The pitcher was Kerry Lightenberg. You are probably thinking of a catcher because of the manager of the independent league team that tipped us off to the pitcher….former Braves catcher Greg Olsen.
Efrim
June 12th, 2012
3:50 pm
Mark Bowman @mlbbowman
Beachy seemed to be in a good mood after just completing a bullpen session. Heading down to get an update.
Efrim
June 12th, 2012
3:51 pm
It’s official…Heyward is back in a platoon.
Has Fredi announced this?
phil
June 12th, 2012
3:51 pm
Mac hasn’t done anything this year to warrant a trip to the allstar game. He could surely use the rest, and the extra opportunity to graze a few buffets, anyway….
thegreatsowhat
June 12th, 2012
3:51 pm
I wonder what in the world FG has against Heyward… that kid should be in the lineup EVERY day.
TennesseePaul
June 12th, 2012
3:52 pm
Beachy seemed to be in a good mood after just completing a bullpen session. Heading down to get an update.
Beachy: “Yeah man, I just taped that ligament back together and stuffed it back in there and it all worked out.”
VaBravesFan
June 12th, 2012
3:52 pm
Only way Heyward will ever be good against LHP is by actually facing them. While starting Diaz makes since in terms of this single game, if we continue to do it I think it hurts Heyward in the long run.
McFann :Ô: :Ô:
June 12th, 2012
3:53 pm
phil He could surely use the rest
True that…I guess…
TennesseePaul
June 12th, 2012
3:53 pm
It’s official…Heyward is back in a platoon.
Has Fredi announced this?
Could be why his overall June numbers look so purty.
RC
June 12th, 2012
3:53 pm
Worst decision this org. has made within the last 5 years is Tex for Kotchman and Marek. Angels use the picks they get back for Tex to draft Mike Trout.
While I agree with it being the worst decision, almost ANYONE could have gotten Mike Trout had they simply drafted him. He was the 25th pick in the draft. Had the Braves not drafted Mike Minor, they could have gotten Trout too.
Juan
June 12th, 2012
3:54 pm
We’re 7-2 on Tueaday….just say it
O.J.
June 12th, 2012
3:54 pm
DOB, you say teams would have to give up a prospect or two to get a guy like Dempster, but I disagree. You dont think the Cubs know the CBA as well and if they truly want to get rid of Dempster, they would have to almost give him away because other teams know they wont get draft picks.
Efrim
June 12th, 2012
3:55 pm
Only way Heyward will ever be good against LHP is by actually facing them. While starting Diaz makes since in terms of this single game, if we continue to do it I think it hurts Heyward in the long run.
Send em to the Pirates for that, VaBravesfan. We’re trying to win baseball games here.
Heyward had his chance against LHP. He’ll never see one in a Braves uni aga…..
Okay, I’m just being an ass.
thegreatsowhat
June 12th, 2012
3:55 pm
He absolutely gift wrapped the last game of the series in Toronto. Forget SABRE… how about critical situations where you are in danger of giving up a four run lead (suited for a groundball/ strikeout pitcher used to pressure situations) vs. a clean slate middle inning (that IS suitable as a long relief guy).
Ward
June 12th, 2012
3:56 pm
Hello everyone! Thought I would come on, but typical Wren BS! Once again Braves will come up short in the Play – Offs, because he’s unwilling to do any thing. Funny stuff. Great job Wren!!!!!!!!!! Look at the teams the Braves lost to with good pitching, and the teams we one. Nice one Wren…….Another season where the Braves fall short. Talk later, and Peace my friends…….”Go!!!!!Braves!!!!!” Talk tonight after the loss…..
Fish Bisch
June 12th, 2012
3:56 pm
Diaz owns Sabatia though
VaBravesFan
June 12th, 2012
3:56 pm
Efrim
Kotchman put up damn good numbers in 2007 the season before being traded to us. If he could have maintained his production It would have turned out a little different.
296/372/467/840 37 Doubles 11 HR in 137 games as a 24 year old.
Frankie Wren
June 12th, 2012
3:57 pm
“package of third tier prospects ”
That’s choice. Anybody who knows anything about judging talent knows Andrus and Feliz were not going to be third tier prospects very long. I don’t disagree with the trade at the time, not my point. It backfired. It backfired horribly.
bvillebaron
June 12th, 2012
3:57 pm
ncscoots:
Well, at least this time Fredi “Genius” Gonzalez is only choosing to sit Heyward for a couple of games just when it looked like he was starting to get in a good groove. This isn’t nearly as bad as last year when he yanked him from a game against the Mets after he hit a homer and scalded two other balls in favor of Jose “AAAA” Constanza.
bravesgrl4life
June 12th, 2012
3:57 pm
Okay, JT Grace, what would you have said if he had put Jason in and he went 0-fer and made 3 errors in the field (not that I think he would make 3 errors).
I do have to say about Jason – I think he must have read the blog after the game against the Nationals where his effort, or lack thereof, to get that ball that Harper hit. As many of you know, I was on the side of “that was pathetic” (and looking at Swisher’s catch of McCann’s shot (and I know it was a bit lower than Harper’s), I think a little bit of an effort would have been nice. But, since then, Heyward’s D has been nothing short of SPECTUACULAR!
O.J.
June 12th, 2012
3:57 pm
I mean, I know the Braves or any other team would have to give up at least 2 prospects for a guy like Dempster, but they would be low level prospects. Because every team knows that he could leave at the end of they year and they not get anything in return. So why wouldnt they just sit on their prospects and not risk losing them AND Dempster, the Cubs know this as well.
DS1
June 12th, 2012
3:58 pm
Some would say that if Diaz has been 5-9 against Sabathia, that CC is due to hand him an oh-fer.
I fully understand that Matty has hit lefties much better than righties, and that Heyward has not. I have been one of the proponents of getting Matty in there every time Chipper sits when a lefty is going.
But Heyward is your starting RF’er. And your hot hitter right now. Kinda like when Fredi took Bourn out when he was scorching the ball; and promptly went on his only slump of the year afterwards.
You don’t sit Heyward this many times in the place of Matt Diaz. Fredi is trying to over think things.
And that probably makes his brain hurt, I’d guess.
keylargo
June 12th, 2012
3:58 pm
Good brain cells RC. You must be taking better care of yours.
Olson was who I was thinking of and if IRC he was doing a good job until he broke his leg.
timthebrave
June 12th, 2012
3:59 pm
David O Brien, You should have wrote something about Doc Ellis who threw a famous no hitter 42 years ago today……
On LSD!!
Bay Area Steve
June 12th, 2012
4:00 pm
“Only way Heyward will ever be good against LHP is by actually facing them. While starting Diaz makes sense in terms of this single game, if we continue to do it I think it hurts Heyward in the long run.”
Agreed fully, VA. Very difficult situation to manage, I think. I think if we step back, at the end of the year we’ll see Fredi’s done well. Straight platoon, no. Sitting Heyward 10-15 games against the toughest lefties. Nothing wrong with that. Might even help the situation by giving him more ABs against the lesser skilled.
Mostly, this option is only going to be available to Fredi when the FMJ is wholly available. With this team, that won’t always be the case.
Danga
June 12th, 2012
4:00 pm
and still had a firing synapse
I seriously wonder often.
Efrim
June 12th, 2012
4:01 pm
You don’t sit Heyward this many times in the place of Matt Diaz. Fredi is trying to over think things.
We’ll see next week as we are facing a LH on Sunday, Monday and Wednesday. My guess is he sits 2 of those 3 games, as he’ll have started three games in a row before facing Chen on Sunday.
timthebrave
June 12th, 2012
4:01 pm
Let’s get back on winning streak… No way to win this series unless we win tonight…Go Braves!
phil
June 12th, 2012
4:01 pm
It’s not possible for FG to over think things….
The man has the sense of a houseplant….and apparently the same energy level.
Sitting Heyward, who is supposed to be a star at some unknown point, just irks me.
bravesgrl4life
June 12th, 2012
4:02 pm
I don’t think Fredi is a bad manager, per say. For crying out loud, I WANTED HIM for Atlanta from the minute I heard Bobby was retiring and that Fredi had been fired by the Marlins. I just think Sunday was a bad day for him. It just didn’t make sense to pull Julio with a fairly reasonable pitch count just because he ran into a little bit of trouble, and then leave Livan in there when he got in a WHOLE LOT MORE TROUBLE.
phil
June 12th, 2012
4:03 pm
timthebrave
June 12th, 2012
3:59 pm
David O Brien, You should have wrote something about Doc Ellis who threw a famous no hitter 42 years ago today……
On LSD!!
**********
Sure…why not glamorize it a bit more.
ncscoots
June 12th, 2012
4:04 pm
yes, but then how does one really decide if decisions are bad or just the brilliance of a beautiful mind beyond the understanding of simpletons?
If the brilliance can make same decision come out the same way more than 50% of the time and the outcome is beneficial.
From a tactical standpoint, that answer usually comes pretty easily, because the same or similar game scenarios occur with such frequency, and there are usually a finite number of tactical decisions that can be made at any particular moment in a specific game scenario (it’s the combination of these and the effect of each decision that leads to the infinite variability of each game itself).
“The Book” gets to be “The Book” because certain sets of tactical decisions have shown themselves to have a higher probability of success in certain game scenarios. That does not make those decisions “right”, necessarily, merely “right-er”. On the other side of the coin, a manager who often makes tactical choices that are known to have a lower rate of success can be expected to eventually have, well, less success.
Unfortunately for our discussion, tonight’s insertion of Diaz is a strategic decision, not a tactical one. Fredo is going for the flanking maneuver, instead of besieging the gate.
JT Grace
June 12th, 2012
4:04 pm
Only way Heyward will ever be good against LHP is by actually facing them. While starting Diaz makes since in terms of this single game, if we continue to do it I think it hurts Heyward in the long run
100% agree. If Fredi sits Jason against the likes of Bruce Chen I might need to check myself into the hospital for a few days and get some nerve medicine.
VaBravesFan
June 12th, 2012
4:05 pm
I say run Heyward out there for 150 games or more and see what happens. Andre Either comes to mind as a RF who plays everyday and struggles against LHP (Under a 700 OPS vs LHP in career) but still has produced good overall numbers.
PDOG
June 12th, 2012
4:05 pm
While I don’t have a problem with JHey sitting against a tough lefty can someone ask Freddie why is keeping Mcann in the three hole against a tough lefty. Also Heyward needs to be out there 95% of the time just as Freeman and Mac are his defense is so much better then Diaz it is not funny.
When does Uggla get a day off is he some sort of superman or does he have dirty pictures of the manager
Efrim
June 12th, 2012
4:06 pm
If Fredi sits Jason against the likes of Bruce Chen
Different Chen. This guy seems better.
Mister Frisky
June 12th, 2012
4:06 pm
Nice to see McCracker Barrel in the 3 hole again.Another 0 fer on the way.This offense is lacking in so many areas that upgrading the starting pitching is pointless.
Bay Area Steve
June 12th, 2012
4:07 pm
“check myself into the hospital for a few days”
You may want to look into Efrim’s therapist. I’ve heard she’s done well with Prospect Hugger Syndrome.
unbelievable
June 12th, 2012
4:07 pm
Jason’s defense is just as important with Mike Minor pitching and giving up fly balls everywhere. There’s no reason to have Diaz in RF.
Frankie Wren
June 12th, 2012
4:08 pm
J Hey can make Fredo’s job a little easier by string together a couple more multi hit games against righties while he’s in the lineup. He’s hitting better this month, but not on fire. If he put together back to back games of hitting against righthanders, he plays against the southpaw. This won’t be a platoon very long IMO.
unbelievable
June 12th, 2012
4:08 pm
Marlon Byrd is now a FA
PDOG
June 12th, 2012
4:09 pm
Oh and by the way Diaz looked real good last night when he came in to pitch hit against the lefty. NOT
TaylorVol
June 12th, 2012
4:10 pm
“During August and September, you’d hate to see games blown because they felt compelled to use Livan Hernandez in the fifth inning of a still-winnable game.” DOB, it was a shame that this was done in June. Livan is a great personality, a stand-up guy, and a true professional. He’s also one of the most likable players in MLB. His teammates love him and he is very popular in the clubhouse. With that said, he has NO VALUE other than a “mop up” guy. C’mon Fredi, Sunday was inexcusable.
jeffrey d
June 12th, 2012
4:10 pm
Anybody else fooled by the headline?
tony austin
June 12th, 2012
4:10 pm
The headline to this article is somewhat misleading. I understand it after I read the first line, but when I first saw it I thought Dempster was now a Brave.
Efrim
June 12th, 2012
4:11 pm
You may want to look into Efrim’s therapist. I’ve heard she’s done well with Prospect Hugger Syndrome.
Tapping exercises. It does wonders.
McFann :Ô: :Ô:
June 12th, 2012
4:12 pm
jeffrey d—
A little bit…
jeffrey d
June 12th, 2012
4:12 pm
high five, tony austin
Tomahawkin
June 12th, 2012
4:12 pm
Braves Will Win 6-4 Tonight, Bank on It, I have a Feeling in My Gut That Money Mike Comes Correct on the Hill against that All Star Lineup…
phil
June 12th, 2012
4:12 pm
I would fully expect an 0-3 showing from Jason tonight (I say 0-3 because CC is somewhat likely to face the minimum), but I’d rather see it from him than from Diaz….
I don’t mind Matt in LF and Prado at third when Chipper is out for days at a time, but not in RF in place of the guy who is allegedly a big part of our future.
DS1
June 12th, 2012
4:12 pm
After Fredi sat Bourn to “rest” him on May 16th, he promptly responded by going 9-51 in the 2 weeks afterwards.
That’s a robust .176.
Heyward is the star of your future. He’s been hitting the ball well as of late. To be honest, Matt Diaz, who over his career has hit lefties well, has managed to hit .192 (6 for 26) in his last 7 starts; and he got 5 of those 6 hits in 2 games.
So tell me he has done well against lefties lately……………. Nah!
TheOnlyBravesFan
June 12th, 2012
4:12 pm
Ain’t it something to only hit .273 haha…. bad splits in his line, however
Marlon Byrd
but the outfielder hit just .273/.288/.333 in 105 plate appearances in Boston
TaylorVol
June 12th, 2012
4:12 pm
Diaz should be used as a pinch hitter vs. CC Sabathia in the 6th when Minor is on life support. Heyward “rested” on Sunday and doesn’t need another day off. There’s a reason why he got virtually no PT with the Pirates. He’s a great bench guy to pinch hit late in games vs a lefty. What am I missing? Maybe Heyward has a few dings or a nagging injury???
unbelievable
June 12th, 2012
4:13 pm
Heyward has 3 multi hit games out of the past 8. .323/.344/.581 this month. Id say he’s on fire, but now he’s benched 2 of the past 3 games and we have an off day on thursday. Its going to be tough for him to keep it going while sitting.
Efrim
June 12th, 2012
4:13 pm
I actually don’t think Heyward has been all that hot. His plate appearances have been lacking in that he just hasn’t been walking very often. Two grounders to the right side and pop up to SS last night. Maybe Fredi saw the same thing?
kenhotlanta
June 12th, 2012
4:13 pm
“Salty and Harrison are now lighting it up.”
And the numbers for Tex have gone down 4 straight years.
jeffrey d
June 12th, 2012
4:13 pm
and McFann
Efrim
June 12th, 2012
4:14 pm
.323/.344/.581
Base-ref has been failing on me today. Not sure what the heck is going on. Didn;t know that was the line.
McFann :Ô: :Ô:
June 12th, 2012
4:14 pm
jeffrey d—
Back atcha…
phil
June 12th, 2012
4:15 pm
What’s the ongoing concern over the headline? So it was a bit deceptive at first glance….
unbelievable
June 12th, 2012
4:15 pm
Efrim, thats his June slash line.
tony austin
June 12th, 2012
4:15 pm
That sounds like the Bobby Cox school of philosophy; sit the player who is hot and play the player who is not.
McFann :Ô: :Ô:
June 12th, 2012
4:16 pm
Efrim—
BR’s been giving me problems today, too. But it’s probably for the best that what I’m trying to look up isn’t working…
Tomahawkin
June 12th, 2012
4:16 pm
Gonna Up The Anty on that prediction, the Gut Speaks again, we will win 6-3, I can taste us Rallying on the Yankees Bullpen….
cricket
June 12th, 2012
4:16 pm
Anybody else fooled by the headline?
everybody but Ward
unbelievable
June 12th, 2012
4:16 pm
Good thing Fredi doesnt have a RH’d platoon partner for 1B or Freeman would be sitting.
JT Grace
June 12th, 2012
4:16 pm
Different Chen. This guy seems better.
Oooops!! Hopefully Jason is benched for him though.
TheOnlyBravesFan
June 12th, 2012
4:16 pm
Bourn__ .436 .463 .615 1.079 .467 __191
Prado__ .268 .268 .366 0.634 .275 ___71
McCann_ .182 .289 .303 0.593 .236 ___62
Uggla__ .241 .421 .621 1.042 .419 __180
Diaz___ .281 .361 .438 0.799 .333 __117
Chipper .250 .294 .281 0.575 .264 ___58
Freeman .270 .270 .405 0.676 .290 ___81
Simmons .219 .286 .406 0.692 .280 ___86
Minor__ .056 .056 .056 0.111 .096 __-70
Except for Minor,
One of these things is not like the other,
one of these things just doesn’t belong
phil
June 12th, 2012
4:17 pm
And why the talk about Vlade? He was released for a reason that wasn’t a good one.
Why not go grab McLouth….
Fred
June 12th, 2012
4:17 pm
Dave, what is the Braves’ record against pitchers they are seeing for the first time? I just read that the Yankees lead the league at 24-8 (or thereabouts). My impression is the Braves are more like 4-24. Is my impression accurate?
JT Grace
June 12th, 2012
4:17 pm
…….ooops again. meant to say I hope Jason isn’t benched for him.
jeffrey d
June 12th, 2012
4:18 pm
I wondered who we traded for Dempster, so I skimmed the first paragraph and saw Ryan Dempster, Mike Minor, and Randall Delgado bolded. I almost flipped.
McFann :Ô: :Ô:
June 12th, 2012
4:18 pm
TOBF One of these things is not like the other,…one of these things just doesn’t belong
Quiet, you…
RC
June 12th, 2012
4:18 pm
Marlon Byrd = Matt Diaz – power – patience + defense
ncscoots
June 12th, 2012
4:18 pm
Efrim, thats his June slash line.
And, as it happens, that isn’t just an arbitrary slash-line period, His low point was .233 on the last day of May.
cricket
June 12th, 2012
4:19 pm
does MLB allow this kind of frank commenting?
Bobby Valentine wasn’t happy with the umpiring in the Red Sox series over the weekend at Fenway, and when the topic was re-introduced Monday at Marlins Park, Valentine picked up where he left off.
“I don’t like barking at the umpires,” said Valentine, who objected to ball and strike calls Sunday. “I’d like to see a ball called a ball and a strike called a strike. Just play the game. I don’t like that idea (of yelling at umpires).”
Valentine went on to hint that it might be time for Major League Baseball to find other ways — beyond umpires — to call balls and strikes.
“From the time that people pay hundreds if not thousands of dollars to teach their kids to play this great game of ours,” said Valentine, “the No. 1 thing they do is they teach their pitcher to throw it over the plate; they teach their hitter to swing at strikes and take balls.
“When I did the Little League World Series (for ESPN), I thought it was the most criminal thing I ever saw, I wanted to cry, when a kid, in the sixth inning with the bases loaded and his team down by one run, was called out on a strike three that was six inches outside. He couldn’t reach it with his bat. I cried for him. And that kid is scarred for life, playing our game, by an injustice.
“And then someone says the most ridiculous words that I ever hear: ‘But we like the human factor.’ It was criminal that we allow our game to scar a young person like that. And then it continues on. I think, in 2012, it should not be part of the process. I don’t think it should be.”
When asked if he was advocating the use of cameras to call pitches, Valentine demurred: “I want a ball called a ball and a strike called a strike. Let the humans do it, somehow . . . Our game is not someone else’s strike zone; our game is what the book says. And that’s how it should be played, from Little League to Cooperstown. To make it fair, to make it right.”
Reminded that humans are bound to make mistakes in whatever job, Valentine responded: “Don’t make it their job, then. The rule book doesn’t say that the game will be played and arbitrarily ruled.”
Valentine said umpires are “well-trained and very good at what they do. But I think it’s almost impossible to do what they do. So why do we ask them to do the impossible?
“If in fact you can’t see the ball the last five feet and now pitchers are throwing pitches that are moving in that zone . . . if you can’t see it, why are we asking them to call it? They can’t see it. They’re humans. We’re asking humans to do a feat that a human can’t do.”
TheOnlyBravesFan
June 12th, 2012
4:19 pm
We got Dempster? I don’t see that on MLBTR
Oh wait… Nice title DOB, got me all excited
BrandonLee49
June 12th, 2012
4:19 pm
Delgado is Not the Goat for the 3-0 Loss to the Yankees, try looking at the Empty Braves Offensive stats…
McFann :Ô: :Ô:
June 12th, 2012
4:20 pm
RC His low point was .233
Must be nice…
RC
June 12th, 2012
4:20 pm
And why the talk about Vlade? He was released for a reason that wasn’t a good one.
The reason was that he asked to be released so he could try to find a team that would offer him a chance at the majors. That’s not a good one?
Don’t think the Braves fit for him at all though. But nothing wrong with why he asked to be released.
phil
June 12th, 2012
4:20 pm
Minorleague gives up a minimum of 3 moonshot homers tonight, at least one to ARod….maybe we still win, probably we don’t because we fold like the Hawks and Falcons and Bulldogs against anything remotely approaching a good, sound team.
RC
June 12th, 2012
4:21 pm
McFann, that was scoots, not me.
McFann :Ô: :Ô:
June 12th, 2012
4:21 pm
BrandonLee09 try looking at the Empty Braves Offensive stats…
Do I have to? Makes me kinda sad…
Tomahawkin
June 12th, 2012
4:21 pm
phil
“And why the talk about Vlade? He was released for a reason that wasn’t a good one.
Why not go grab McLouth…. ”
I want Loaf Back! Joking
cricket
June 12th, 2012
4:21 pm
And why the talk about Vlade? He was released for a reason that wasn’t a good one.
Why not go grab McLouth….
Vlad is available…commence eye roll
McFann :Ô: :Ô:
June 12th, 2012
4:22 pm
RC—
Oops—sorry…
Wasn’t even that great of a post…
Wow
June 12th, 2012
4:22 pm
Everytime Heyward starts to hit the ball a bit, Gonzalez decides to bench him.
Heyward’s never going to amount to anything until he gets away from that chump.
Jimmy
June 12th, 2012
4:23 pm
Man, came on here to see what is going on.
Computer was slow loading the page (beeboo crap) and all I could see was:
The Daily DOB >>
Braves trade for
It was cut off there. Had to wait for what seemed like minutes for the page to load so I could scroll down. Then I could see the entire headline.
Actually had to read it twice to get it straight in my head.
We didn’t trade for Dempster.
TheOnlyBravesFan
June 12th, 2012
4:23 pm
TOBF One of these things is not like the other,…one of these things just doesn’t belong
Quiet, you…
Haha! It worked!
Marlon Byrd = Matt Diaz – power – patience + defense
This.
I wondered who we traded for Dempster, so I skimmed the first paragraph and saw Ryan Dempster, Mike Minor, and Randall Delgado bolded. I almost flipped.
Me too, especially since Mac wasn’t included…
phil
June 12th, 2012
4:24 pm
I’ll rephrase, RC, as your point is a good one, obviously….
He wasn’t even playing at the major league level for a reason or reasons that are apparently not good ones, namely that he’s done.
TheOnlyBravesFan
June 12th, 2012
4:24 pm
I was just wondering why we would need 2 front-line pitchers….
Efrim
June 12th, 2012
4:24 pm
Mark Bowman @mlbbowman
Beachy’s elbow was fine during today’s short bullpen session. He will be ready to go on Saturday.
I didn’t even know the elbow was a problem. Glad to hear it’s fine and he’ll be pumping 91-92mph fastballs through 6 or 7 innings on Saturday………
ncscoots
June 12th, 2012
4:25 pm
I wanted to cry, when a kid,…was called out on a strike three that was six inches outside. He couldn’t reach it with his bat. I cried for him. And that kid is scarred for life, playing our game, by an injustice.
Valentine imprinting his own horrors and “scars”, whatever they may be. Because my guess is that the kid didn’t cry, nor is he cowering somewhere wearing a strait-jacket while waiting for his meds, prior to another therapy session.
Valentine is showing that ten years away from the dugout is a long, very long, time.
Sopheee
June 12th, 2012
4:25 pm
McFann, I think it’s time to change it up and bring the baby turtle back. Gotta try something new.
Bat Masterson
June 12th, 2012
4:26 pm
I do have to say about Jason – I think he must have read the blog after the game against the Nationals where his effort, or lack thereof, to get that ball that Harper hit. As many of you know, I was on the side of “that was pathetic” (and looking at Swisher’s catch of McCann’s shot (and I know it was a bit lower than Harper’s), I think a little bit of an effort would have been nice. But, since then, Heyward’s D has been nothing short of SPECTUACULAR!
Funny how that works. No doubt Heyward looked bad taking Harper for granted on that play, and he looked bad on a couple of other ground balls that weekend. The same weekend they spent a bunch of time talking about the ball snaking on the outfielders, even showed a replay of a ball to Bourn a few times as an example.
I remember early on when Heyward was hitting pretty good we had some discussion here about how good he looked in the field this year. The way I see it Heyward has played damn good defense all year.
phil
June 12th, 2012
4:26 pm
Dale Murphy is available too….we don’t need more broken down, close to the end types like Hinske and Diaz….enough is enough.
How old is Vlad? 48?
Efrim
June 12th, 2012
4:26 pm
Everytime Heyward starts to hit the ball a bit, Gonzalez decides to bench him.
If Heyward goes on to struggle against Kuroda, Hunter and Hammel – I will not be blaming Fredo for that.
Jason needs to put something together for more than 30 plate appearances.
DS1
June 12th, 2012
4:26 pm
I am not a big Valentine fan, but he makes a heckuva lot of sense.
DS1
June 12th, 2012
4:27 pm
……but as long as you have a guy like Fredi as the manager, who worry how accurate the balls and strikes that are called.
cricket
June 12th, 2012
4:27 pm
Valentine is showing that ten years away from the dugout is a long, very long, time.
IMO, for valentine, it is too short of a time
phil
June 12th, 2012
4:27 pm
Beachy’s elbow is likely not fine….
I hope I’m wrong.
flange1
June 12th, 2012
4:28 pm
cricket,
That was an interesting interview with Bobby Valentine on umpiring.
The more I think about his points, the more I agree with him.
It would be nice for a strike to be a strike every time it is thrown at a particular spot on any day of the week with any pitcher pitching and any catcher catching wouldn’t it?
McFann :Ô: :Ô:
June 12th, 2012
4:28 pm
Sopheee—
I think you’re right…Gotta find the little bugger—he doesn’t come up anymore if I retype my name…
TOBF—
You’re a cruel person…
thegreatsowhat
June 12th, 2012
4:29 pm
Greg Walker and others talk about Heyward’s problems resting in his “timing”. How does one get a chance to fix his timing when he is yanked all over the batting order and in and out of the lineup itself?
phil
June 12th, 2012
4:29 pm
I detest Valentine, but he does make some good points.
Enforce the damn rules as written, especially the strike zone. Can’t manage to do it? Fired, then and there.
It gets really old.
ncscoots
June 12th, 2012
4:29 pm
Jason needs to put something together for more than 30 plate appearances
With Fredo, might take him three weeks just to get those 30.
McFann :Ô: :Ô: :ô:
June 12th, 2012
4:29 pm
Ah, THERE he is…
cricket
June 12th, 2012
4:30 pm
vlad is available…
Sopheee
June 12th, 2012
4:30 pm
I think I’ll bust out my own attempt to help Mac along later if I’m around during the game.
TheOnlyBravesFan
June 12th, 2012
4:31 pm
I predict a 4-5 night for Mac… he’ll get his 2 homers he just missed last night.
DS1
June 12th, 2012
4:31 pm
I’m calling it: Mac goes 3-4 with a walk and 3 RBI’s tonight, due to the little turtle.
VaBravesFan
June 12th, 2012
4:31 pm
I seriously came home from work and hit the AJC bookmark seen the headline “Braves trade for Dempster” so without reading any further I went to MLBTR and ESPN and seen nothing. lol
Wow
June 12th, 2012
4:31 pm
“Jason needs to put something together for more than 30 plate appearances”
It seemed like he was on his way to doing that now-
Oh wait, he’s benched again
Lew
June 12th, 2012
4:31 pm
cricket – You assume that I’ve ever actually paid attention to Ward. Never been sure exactly why I should.
cricket
June 12th, 2012
4:33 pm
flange1 – Yes and many people obviously have thought about it but this may be 1st time a current MLB manager has come out and said it. I expect some sort of circular retraction shortly from Valentine, no doubt with a little “nudge” from MLB.
cricket
June 12th, 2012
4:35 pm
Lew – I just remember your classic comment about him polishing the lamp wishing for Dempster and making the lamp shiny. That made me laugh.
bravesgrl4life
June 12th, 2012
4:35 pm
Well, you know, McFann, McCann has his own little turtle on the way, doesn’t he?
ncscoots
June 12th, 2012
4:36 pm
You guys get the Heyward sit out of your system yet? Geez louise, you’re starting to sound like ex-wives on alimony day, LOL. I think everything brilliant about it has been said, so you can probably give it a rest for a while.
flange1 - tonight is Mac's night
June 12th, 2012
4:36 pm
I think that will do it!
TheOnlyBravesFan
June 12th, 2012
4:37 pm
vlad is available…
Don’t want him
phil
June 12th, 2012
4:37 pm
Don’t expect a little turtle…
Jimmy
June 12th, 2012
4:37 pm
There you are Bat!
Maybe I’ve just been missing your post, but glad your posting.
DS1
June 12th, 2012
4:38 pm
cricket
Actually, the retractions are mostly for politicians. They just fine the managers who get out of line in baseball. I expect a fine and not a retraction.
Efrim
June 12th, 2012
4:38 pm
I will say that if for any reason Sabathia is out of the game, Diaz needs to be removed. It didn’ty really matter on Sunday, but Diaz shouldnt see another PA against a RHP for the season if it were up to me….
JEFF SPARROW
June 12th, 2012
4:39 pm
FREEMAN should have sit out this past week end with his real sore hand ,he can’t grip the bat right and it really hurts every time he swings , we do need a GOOD right handed set -up man in the bull pen and shoot we need about 3 right more players before we can say we are a contending team , another good starter , a right handed bat who can play all 3 spots in the out field and a right handed set- up man
Lew
June 12th, 2012
4:39 pm
cricket – One of the few times I’ve actually edited myself. It could have been worse.
phil
June 12th, 2012
4:39 pm
I remember early on when Heyward was hitting pretty good we had some discussion here about how good he looked in the field this year. The way I see it Heyward has played damn good defense all year. Bat Masterson
*************
But the Harper game erased all goodwill up to that point….it proved that Jason stinks….definitively.
McSopheee
June 12th, 2012
4:39 pm
Whatever it takes.
Efrim
June 12th, 2012
4:39 pm
so you can probably give it a rest for a while.
You mean, Heyward hasn’t been thrust into the lineup because of our comments?
This really is ridiculous….
DS1
June 12th, 2012
4:40 pm
Where will Marlon Byrd wind up?
Mikey
June 12th, 2012
4:40 pm
Question that needs to be answered:
Diaz: .250/9rbi/2hr/.325obp ($2,125,000 salary
Ibanez:.256/31rbi/10hr/.311obp ($1,100,000) salary defense will not be quantified
Which team made the better choice?
phil
June 12th, 2012
4:40 pm
We need about 25 more players before we can say we are a contending team….
Appoint me GM.
Jimmy
June 12th, 2012
4:40 pm
phil –
So, many are calling for a BMac night.
OK, I’ll just take THAT to the bank!
Along with what Tomahawkin said.
cricket
June 12th, 2012
4:41 pm
amazing –
The 35-year-old’s physical conditioning is deteriorating under the stress of being jailed at the Clark County Detention Center, and he is being held in “inhumane conditions,” lawyer Richard Wright said in the motion filed Monday. Mayweather is segregated from the rest of the prison population for 23 hours a day, and his one hour in the exercise area does not include access to workout equipment, say his attorneys.
Wright stated that others who have committed similar misdemeanor offenses are treated differently and Mayweather’s celebrity status “cannot be accommodated at the CCDC.”
Jimmy
June 12th, 2012
4:42 pm
Got to run.
See you good folks later.
TheOnlyBravesFan
June 12th, 2012
4:42 pm
Don’t expect a little turtle…
Oh yeah, he/she would be born holding a cheeseburger in their hand, right? lol
Diaz shouldnt see another PA against a RHP for the season if it were up to me….
Semi-agree. There are some RHP pitchers that he hits well against. Against those, I would let him hit. No others.
Mcflange1
June 12th, 2012
4:42 pm
I like your better Soph…
cricket
June 12th, 2012
4:43 pm
so you can probably give it a rest for a while.
ok, back to Mac hitting 3rd, discuss among yourselves
DS1
June 12th, 2012
4:44 pm
Mikey
The Braves aren’t paying all of Diaz 2012 salary. Pirates are in for roughly half. And if we’d picked up Ibanez, we’d STILL be paying Diaz salary (that we owed him).
So in affect, we get Diaz for about 1 million, or Ibanez for over 2 million. And we already had a lefty hitting, bad defensive corner outfielder in Eric Hinske.
But as you know, hindsight is 20-20.
cricket
June 12th, 2012
4:44 pm
did you guys (and gal) get approval from McFann?
Columbus
June 12th, 2012
4:45 pm
Braves have an 83 million dollar payroll and the Yankees have 186 million or something. The Braves do need some starting pitching to step up and need to stop overworking Livan. They can make a trade due to money feed up next year from Chipper and being done with paying Lowe. However there are players to resign so we cant spend too much. Like Hanson, hopefully Bourn, McCann. Braves need a pitcher to replace Lowe and I say they can make a move to get someone good.
And THIS year, in my opinion, they absolutely should.
McSopheee
June 12th, 2012
4:45 pm
There ya go, flange. If this doesn’t work, I don’t know what will.
Nattering Nabob
June 12th, 2012
4:46 pm
Boy is that headline misleading.
nolie
June 12th, 2012
4:46 pm
Gouda, scoots? kinda sissy stuff, aint it? Good strong aged cheddar or pepperjack or limburger is much more manly
Lew
June 12th, 2012
4:47 pm
Mikey – First of all, Ibanez was still with the Phillies when we got Diaz from the Pirates. Second, Ibanez hits LH and Diaz hits RH – and we’re a LH heavy team – Ibanez was not what we needed.
DS1
June 12th, 2012
4:48 pm
Overworked Livan? Tells me all I need to know………..
Mcflange1
June 12th, 2012
4:49 pm
I don’t think McFann will be upset that we are pulling for her mann…
DS1
June 12th, 2012
4:49 pm
Lew
There you go with them “facts” again!
Liking Freddie but not Fredi
June 12th, 2012
4:49 pm
What an extremely misleading title.
That title is downright fraudulent and in no way conveys the meaning intended. I award you no points and may God have mercy on your soul.
In all seriousness though, change the title. It is ridiculous and conveys poor journalism… and you know it.
ncscoots
June 12th, 2012
4:49 pm
Gouda, scoots? kinda sissy stuff, aint it? Good strong aged cheddar or pepperjack or limburger is much more manly
I am secure in my manhood, nolie. I am not defined by my cheese.
Bat Masterson
June 12th, 2012
4:50 pm
Jimmy_
I saw your comment and said hello on the last blog. I’ve been way behind the blog the last few days, just catching up today.
McDS1nnnn
June 12th, 2012
4:50 pm
Hey, if a manly guy like flange1 can do it, what they heck.
TheOnlyBravesFan
June 12th, 2012
4:50 pm
The Braves do need some starting pitching to step up and need to stop overworking Livan.
Overworking Livan??? The dude hadn’t worked in almost 2 weeks until this Sunday… doesn’t seem like overuse to me, but rather, underuse….
Bay Area Steve
June 12th, 2012
4:52 pm
“I am not defined by my cheese.”
Perhaps not, but when you label yourself a ‘cheese slut,’ I think you muddy the water a bit.
Venice Jim
June 12th, 2012
4:52 pm
Peter Moylan @PeterMoylan
You are all probably sick of hearing this but today was again the best bullpen so far. #consistency #hittersonsaturday
ncscoots
June 12th, 2012
4:52 pm
I’ll admit that I’m a sucker for pepperjack, though. And many others, for that matter.
Lew
June 12th, 2012
4:52 pm
DS1 – Yeah, they have a habit of getting in the way.
scoots – Some may believe that cheddar or limburger are more manly, but yellow cheeses like Gouda and Edam have enzymes that are anti cancer agents. I’d rather stay alive longer and laugh at all the macho dudes who ate the wrong cheese and no quiche and died.
Ric Flair to Right
June 12th, 2012
4:53 pm
How bad has B-Mac been?
Since July 8th of 2011 (100 games) Mac has only had 17 multi-hit games, he is 77 for his last 354 (.217avg) while scoring a dreadful .693 OPS!!!!! Say what you want but if this goes on much longer you have to start thinking he might be on the downside of his career…can he turn it around, SURE, but how long do you wait for him to turn into russel martin?
Bay Area Steve
June 12th, 2012
4:53 pm
“limburger”
Please. No. I can smell it from here.
McDS1nnnn
June 12th, 2012
4:53 pm
scoots
Just don’t be caught dead eating that stuff on “Redneck Island”
Ric Flair to Right
June 12th, 2012
4:54 pm
B-MAC since July 8th of 2011 (100 games) Mac has only had 17 multi-hit games, he is 77 for his last 354 (.217avg) while scoring a dreadful .693 OPS!!!!! Say what you want but if this goes on much longer you have to start thinking he might be on the downside of his career…can he turn it around, SURE, but how long do you wait for him to turn into russel martin?
Ric Flair to Right
June 12th, 2012
4:54 pm
B-MAC since July 8th of 2011 (100 games) Mac has only had 17 multi-hit games, he is 77 for his last 354 (.217avg) while scoring a dreadful .693 OPS!!!!! Say what you want but if this goes on much longer you have to start thinking he might be on the downside of his career…can he turn it around, SURE, but how long do you wait for him to turn into russel martin?
nolie
June 12th, 2012
4:54 pm
Harrison is hardly lighting anything up,a 102 ERA+ and a 1.4 WHIP are nothing special at all. both he ans Salty would not have stayed with the team since then anyway most likely. whole lotta over reaction here to that trade. It sure wasn’t Tex’s fault that we didn’t get there that first year. he was great
Lew
June 12th, 2012
4:54 pm
Yeah, but have they let Moylan face LH hitting ?
Bat Masterson
June 12th, 2012
4:55 pm
But the Harper game erased all goodwill up to that point….it proved that Jason stinks….definitively. _ phil
Yeah, I suspect that will follow Heyward around until he hits .300/.400/.500 for a few months.
Ric Flair to Right
June 12th, 2012
4:55 pm
Sorry for the triple post…computer error
Mcflange1
June 12th, 2012
4:55 pm
Way to go Wayne!
Now we need to get BAS to commit!
Come on BAS, show some courage!
McFann :Ô: :Ô: :ô:
June 12th, 2012
4:56 pm
Awesome sauce, y’all!…
Chris from the Rock
June 12th, 2012
4:56 pm
Looks like Schafer was the best of the lot the ‘Stros got in the Bourn deal. Olberholtzer has ERA just south of 5.00, Clemens’ is over 6.00, and Abreu’s is over 7.00. I understand two of those guys pitch in the PCL, but it certainly doesn’t look like the Braves will regret that trade long term, even if they can’t lockup Bourn after the season.
McFish Bisch
June 12th, 2012
4:56 pm
I belive in you macann.
Mcflange1
June 12th, 2012
4:56 pm
oops, I shouldn’t have said that!
nolie
June 12th, 2012
4:57 pm
its amazing the difference between how limburger smells and how it tastes
ncscoots
June 12th, 2012
4:57 pm
You guys are making me hungry. I see an evening plate of cheese, crackers, and fixin’s in my future after dinner.
McFann :Ô: :Ô: :ô:
June 12th, 2012
4:57 pm
How bad has B-Mac been?
Nobody asked you…
Bay Area Steve
June 12th, 2012
4:58 pm
Can’t do it. Wouldn’t be prudent. Gotta keep my record of never using another name. Plus, you know, I don’t have any courage. I’ll just sit here and root my boy on from afar.
Brian
June 12th, 2012
4:58 pm
Hey DOB, read the headline and you tell me if it reads that the Braves traded for Dempster. Come on, dude.
jeffrey d
June 12th, 2012
4:58 pm
I think I’ll bust out my own attempt to help Mac along later if I’m around during the game.
You’re going to post a buffet next to your name?
Bay Area Steve
June 12th, 2012
4:59 pm
“cheese, crackers, and fixin’s”
Salami/ no salami?
bravesgrl4life
June 12th, 2012
4:59 pm
Alright, y’all. I outta here for home. See ya later for game chat. Although I split my time between here and the FB Tomahawk Nation group.
McSopheee
June 12th, 2012
5:01 pm
If this works, Heyward’s my next target.
nolie
June 12th, 2012
5:01 pm
salami or summer sausage or Lebanon Bologna and pretzels please
with my mountain of cheese
Mcflange1
June 12th, 2012
5:02 pm
Yes on the salami, add some mustard and BAMM!
nolie
June 12th, 2012
5:03 pm
spicy mustard not yellow
Russell Bell
June 12th, 2012
5:03 pm
Good strong aged cheddar or pepperjack or limburger is much more manly
Vermont white cheddar, extra sharp.
Bay Area Steve
June 12th, 2012
5:04 pm
“If this works”
Shoot, if this works we’ll have to include everybody. And here ‘OB though O’Ventbrel was something. He ain’t seen nothin’ yet.
Russell Bell
June 12th, 2012
5:04 pm
With apple wedges.
oneanddone
June 12th, 2012
5:04 pm
Diaz is a bumb his avg is high cause he rarely plays remember he cant make it on a sorry pirates team!
Bay Area Steve
June 12th, 2012
5:04 pm
What type of cracker? The simple saltine just will not do.
nolie
June 12th, 2012
5:05 pm
that’ll work Russell
Bay Area Steve
June 12th, 2012
5:05 pm
“With apple wedges.”
Alert. Alert. Somebody’s off the rails.
nolie
June 12th, 2012
5:06 pm
no crackers, just pretzels, sorry
Bay Area Steve
June 12th, 2012
5:06 pm
“that’ll work”
Maybe I should try it before mocking, excuse me, discussing, another’s choices.
Bay Area Steve
June 12th, 2012
5:06 pm
“that’ll work”
Maybe I should try it before mocking, excuse me, discussing, another’s choices.
nolie
June 12th, 2012
5:06 pm
takes courage to eat limburger BAS…..
Frankie Wren
June 12th, 2012
5:06 pm
“and we’re a LH heavy team – Ibanez was not what we needed.”
Which is why Heyward isn’t playing tonight. Might be different if Rossy was playing for Mac, but 4 lefties probably not the way to go tonight, yes?
Of course J Hey did followup his strong game Friday night with 3 K’s on Saturday. Not sure on the hot bat thing yet.
String a couple of good games and the boy wonder will be in everyday.
Ship Heyward to AAA (Rob from SC)
June 12th, 2012
5:07 pm
Heyward starts to turn things arpund…his reward…riding the bench
Efrim
June 12th, 2012
5:08 pm
David O’Brien @ajcbraves
#Braves manager Fredi G told Heyward, “This is not a platoon situation, but it’s hard to ignore those numbers.” (Diaz 5-for-9 vs. Sabathia)
Just one last Heyward tweet….
On cheese, Pepperjack and Swiss. Give me that with any sort of crackers, along with olives, spicy peppers and onions. That’s the Albanian in me. Of course, my wife wouldn’t come near me after eating all that.
phil
June 12th, 2012
5:08 pm
Liking Freddie but not Fredi
June 12th, 2012
4:49 pm
What an extremely misleading title.
That title is downright fraudulent and in no way conveys the meaning intended. I award you no points and may God have mercy on your soul.
In all seriousness though, change the title. It is ridiculous and conveys poor journalism… and you know it.
*****************
READ THE DAMN TITLE, PEOPLE!! All of it!
I would say the reaction to it was unbelievable, but sadly, it isn’t.
READ IT! ALL OF IT!
Efrim
June 12th, 2012
5:09 pm
Raw onion too. I could eat that stuff like a red delicious apple.
McSopheee
June 12th, 2012
5:09 pm
McSophfreeewardters to the rescue.
Efrim
June 12th, 2012
5:10 pm
Black olives from a greek deli.
Okay, I’m outta here. Gotta eat something now.
Mikey
June 12th, 2012
5:10 pm
Hate to beat a dead bench, but Diaz, Wilson, Francisco & Hinski are not scaring too many pitchers & managers in those late innings pinch hitting roles.
Bay Area Steve
June 12th, 2012
5:10 pm
“takes courage to eat limburger BAS…..”
I believe you, ’cause I don’t wanna be near the stuff, and, well, you know about my courage. I once refused to allow someone to put it in my refrigerator. No courage.
Doofus(Goober and Gomer's Smart Brother)
June 12th, 2012
5:10 pm
It amazes me that more posters are more concerned about the headline(which is technically correct) than the fact that DOB made a mistake in his lineup in two different places. In the article he has CJ and Prado both at 3B, and in his post later he did the same thing. Now, knowing FG it wouldn’t surprise me if that’s true. With the way CJ played last night putting them both there would have it covered, and who needs a leftfielder when the Yanks are batting. Makes sense to me! As for the headline it comes down to one thing. It depends on whether you read “trade” as a verb or a noun. Try it, you’ll see the difference. The first time I read it(just like most) I read it as a verb, when it is actually a noun in this case. (Thanks to my paraplegic 10th grade English teacher, Helen Powell, God rest her sweet soul, she gave me all A’s).
Russell Bell
June 12th, 2012
5:11 pm
The apple wedges bring a nice texture/taste balance to sharp cheddar. Sharp and soft cheese meets crisp and mild apples. It works.
phil
June 12th, 2012
5:12 pm
I like Kraft singles on my ham sandwich….
rest of you can choke on your silly, woosy other kinds of cheeses…..i spit on them all.
Bay Area Steve
June 12th, 2012
5:12 pm
“Raw onion too”
That’s a good call. I don’t know if I need olives with my C&C, but I gotta have some onion, and maybe a little salt.
BrandonLee49
June 12th, 2012
5:13 pm
Umpires??? … don’t even get us started on Inept Umpiring, like that Moron who who missed the Should have been Ruled Fair-Ball, intead the Dumpters called it Foul, in order to save Santana’s No-hitter??? Gimme a Break, It was So OBVIOUSLY FAIR on Any Angle shown on MLB network, the Left Field Ump If He Was AWAKE Could Not have “Missed” the Call, it was That OBVIOUS… Umps have outlived their use in MLB, put it all to be Reviewed Upstairs in a Booth with Three Guys Looking at the Play, Let Them Call it… Not some Moron on the field, who looks like Santana’s Uncle Fidel…
Mcflange1
June 12th, 2012
5:13 pm
Pull us thru tonight folks!
Go Barves!
Go MAC!
BAS is the man!
phil
June 12th, 2012
5:14 pm
And by the way, as everyone of course knows, cheese is just about the worst thing out there for you.
Not that it matters.
Kentavo
June 12th, 2012
5:15 pm
I hate when head into a game with virtually no chance, but that is the case tonight. Hope we can avert the sweep tomorrow.
phil
June 12th, 2012
5:15 pm
Great idea there, Brandon lee….
nolie
June 12th, 2012
5:15 pm
course lotsa folks place a slice of cheddar on their apple pie
McFann :Ô: :Ô: :ô:
June 12th, 2012
5:15 pm
McSopheee McSophfreeewardters
Gesundheit…
phil
June 12th, 2012
5:16 pm
Kentavo, your optimism might become contagious…..easy does it.
nolie
June 12th, 2012
5:16 pm
Kraft singles ain’t cheese its soft yellow plastic
AZBravoFan
June 12th, 2012
5:16 pm
So Heyward is sitting against 2 tough AL lefties that he hasn’t seen much of. I’m pretty sure he’ll be in there regularly when we get back to the NL schedule. Unless of course, Diaz gets hot…..
phil
June 12th, 2012
5:17 pm
Can’t beat the ole low cal, Mac special, the Bacon Cheddar at Burger King!!
Andrelton Simmons
June 12th, 2012
5:17 pm
Over the last 8 games Jason Heyward is hitting .323, has 6 RBI’s, 2 HR’s, 2 doubles, and 3 multi-hit games, yet Fredi has benched him now in 2 of the last 3 games.
In the month of May and all the way up until almost the first week of June when he was terrible Fredi only sat him twice even though he was really struggling. June 5th comes around and Heyward gets hot, starts tearing the cover off the ball and looking like the old J-Hey at the plate and Fredi starts to sit him more????
Feel bad for Heyward he’s been one of our best hitters and players overall in June and when he finally starts to get it going and strings together 3 multi hit games over the past week Fredi decides to bench him twice in 3 days. That’s definitely not going to help J-Hey continue his hot streak and it’s not going to help his confidence. Just like pulling when he saw the first sign of trouble was good for Teheran’s confidence. I don’t think Fredi knows how to really manage/develop young players.
I’m afraid that Fredi G isn’t good for Heyward’s future and isn’t helping him to develop properly. You don’t sit a hot bat. I mean hell you played him for an entire month when he was doing terrible and now he starts getting hot and getting it going and you bench him again????
Bay Area Steve
June 12th, 2012
5:18 pm
“course lotsa folks place a slice of cheddar on their apple pie”
Seriously? Intentionally? You’ve tried? Verdict?
phil
June 12th, 2012
5:18 pm
phoeey, nolie….
you ain’t lived until you eat a few Kraft singles each day!
D.A. Nuggla
June 12th, 2012
5:19 pm
One would think based on some of the posts here that the RF only plays on offense. You lose a lot with Diaz in RF over JH, mostly speed. I can think of 2 or 3 catches recently that Jayson made that I doubt MD would have made. Against the Yanks I don’t think I would be cutting myself short on defense. I would certainly take my chances with JH(ESPECIALLY SINCE HE’s BEEN HOT LATELY) and stick with him. Besides that look at the speed on the basepath difference. Anybody here think Matt Diaz would have done what JH did the other night to win that game? NO, I didn’t think so. FG just showing his ignorance and over-analyzing again. If he had a brain he would take it out and play with it. Absolutely no common sense and logic in that head of his.
phil
June 12th, 2012
5:19 pm
It does no good to question what FG does or doesn’t do. His mind is like swiss cheese….
TennesseePaul
June 12th, 2012
5:20 pm
Base-ref has been failing on me today. Not sure what the heck is going on. Didn;t know that was the line.
Jason has hit .321/.345/.607/.952 in June but one should know, Jason has hit .400/.429/.750/1.179 against right handers in June and only .182/.182/.273/.455 against left handers.
McDS1nnnn
June 12th, 2012
5:20 pm
One last thought about the quality of umpires in baseball today. There should be a system whereby a team can log a complaint about the umpiring in a specific game. There should be an automatic review of those games, and then dock these guys when they screw up too much. And if they can’t get it right, then fire their azz.
And any showing up of players and managers should result in a suspension.
These guys make good money, they should be held to a high standard of quality.
Drives me crazy the different strike zones that umps have.
Juan
June 12th, 2012
5:20 pm
Big Sombrero for Matt Diaz tonight…we need Heyward every day…
nolie
June 12th, 2012
5:20 pm
not bad, but I don’t do it regular BAS. I think i saw the apple/cheddar combos more in the Baltimore to Boston area than other psrts of the country
VaBravesFan
June 12th, 2012
5:20 pm
I didnt realize Heyward had been playing that well, no way I’d sit him after seeing the numbers.
VaBravesFan
June 12th, 2012
5:21 pm
Does have awful splits tho, but the only way he’ll improve is going against them tho.
iTiSi
June 12th, 2012
5:21 pm
I’m confused. Is this a Braves baseball blog or a food blog? Reminds me of that saying, ” I went to a hockey game and a boxing match broke out”!
saltyweeks
June 12th, 2012
5:22 pm
that headline got me too. i almost choked on my sundrop.
Andrelton Simmons
June 12th, 2012
5:23 pm
I’ll be shocked if the Braves win tonight. I’m expecting the Braves to officially lose this series tonight. Wouldn’t be surprised if CC goes deep into tonights game and holds us to a couple of meaningless hits and 2 ER’s or less. Also, I expect Minor will give up 3 HR’s in tonights game and 5 ER total over 5.2 innings. Braves lose 7-3.
McFann :Ô: :Ô: :ô:
June 12th, 2012
5:23 pm
If all we talked about was baseball, a boxing match would break out here, too!…
nolie
June 12th, 2012
5:23 pm
if Jason wasn’t so dang toolsy that you want to play him most of the time to try to get him going, he and Diaz would actually make a very good platoon, kinda like Klesko and Ice were for a few years
Frankie Wren
June 12th, 2012
5:24 pm
Big effort by Braves tonight winning similar to beating Price in Tampa a couple weeks back. Chipper doesn’t get hurt playing defense but pulls a muscle running after hitting a 2 run shot. Braves win 5-3 but bittersweet win as Chipper placed on DL Wednesday morning.
McDS1nnnn
June 12th, 2012
5:24 pm
Statement lineup card………..
Kentavo
June 12th, 2012
5:24 pm
Sorry, not optimistic at all – Minor’s going to have that deer-in-the-headlights look by the first inning.
BrandonLee49
June 12th, 2012
5:24 pm
What do you do, David ; go to the same scholl as Jeff Shultz…”On Monday the Judge” . . . Really was that a Noun or a Verb Jeff???, or was it one of those after, After-thoughts. just prior to the brain Shutting Down for the Day. the Judge…
nolie
June 12th, 2012
5:25 pm
you might try reading the blog description on the upper right side…..
Kentavo
June 12th, 2012
5:25 pm
Yeah, I thought we had made a deal for Demptser, too, when I read that headline
TheOnlyBravesFan
June 12th, 2012
5:26 pm
Statement Headline…..
Kraft singles ain’t cheese its soft yellow plastic
You picking up the wrong Kraft singles my friend
… This stuff is beast. BMac-approved for Cheeseburgers…
Doofus(Goober and Gomer's Smart Brother)
June 12th, 2012
5:27 pm
Once again McFann is right. (I have to say that because I think(?) she is a lady, and a nice one at that)
Kentavo
June 12th, 2012
5:27 pm
I don’t see why we didn’t shuffle the deck a little to give us a chance against the Stankees and not have Delgado and Minor go back to back.
McDS1nnnn
June 12th, 2012
5:28 pm
I can’t believe how many posts have been made about a blog headline. Did you folks pass English in high school? Read the headline.
nolie
June 12th, 2012
5:28 pm
it is not real cheese, real the label….its a cheese product
Kentavo
June 12th, 2012
5:28 pm
And I concur that the drive that Swisher robbed off of B-Mac’s bat was necessarily homer-bound – it may have hit the yellow line and bounced over, but he definitely didn’t go above the fence and bring it back. One less cheesburger for Heap and it might have gone out – or maybe one more cheeseburger and it would have gone out.
phil
June 12th, 2012
5:30 pm
Release someone…
D.A. Nuggla
June 12th, 2012
5:31 pm
As “Doofus” said earlier it’s simple just read the headline using “trade” as a noun and not a verb. Makes perfect sense!
nolie
June 12th, 2012
5:35 pm
release Chipper, he is a total bust
Nerdville
June 12th, 2012
5:37 pm
The Yankees will dominate the Braves this series. Watching the Braves last night was about as much fun as my ingrown toenail. The Yanks will show just how weak the Braves are compared to an elite team.
nolie
June 12th, 2012
5:38 pm
instead of watching that toenail, you should get it taken care of
TuffShhhtuff
June 12th, 2012
5:41 pm
Please do not use the words “Chipper” and “bust” in the same line. They are about as far apart as anything can be. At least the “bust” I am thinking about.
nolie
June 12th, 2012
5:42 pm
Chipper’s —hooters. not really all that far apart once upon a time
Skip & Pete Fan
June 12th, 2012
5:43 pm
Let’s get Game 2! #hopeful
Mixxo
June 12th, 2012
5:43 pm
We were pretty much outclassed in every dept. last night. Will be this entire series.
nolie
June 12th, 2012
5:46 pm
hell they got an infield alone that all four might approach the HOF, what do you expect. Its a sin that they are playing no better than they have so far
JeanE
June 12th, 2012
5:47 pm
OMG (yes, I’m going there) would people shut up about Matty D playing against CC? I’m sure he’ll be pulled as soon as he lefty is out of the game, so relax Diaz haters. I also watched Swisher’s catch last night and thought, that doesn’t look like a homer to me, more a double. Still, it did hurt. Stupid Swisher married to that chick from TV with those goofy sideburns. Hate the Skankees! Detest hearing all those cheers for them, too. We need to shut them all up big time but I’m not feeling too confident with MM. Jonny V looked great last night, like the old Every-day Jonny. I liked seeing him wear the high socks, he’s one of the few players that look better like that. Go Bravos!!!!!
Bat Masterson
June 12th, 2012
5:49 pm
Considering all the comments the headline probably drove quite a few extra page hits. Job security
The Northwest Florida Daily News used to have a great headline writer. He left over a year ago and I can’t remember the last time I thought to check their site.
Andrelton Simmons
June 12th, 2012
5:50 pm
Found an interesting stat –
- With runners on J-Hey hits .280 avg, .367 OBP, .387 SLG%, and .749 OPS, 12 BB, 23 SO.
- With nobody on J-Hey hits .218 avg, .301 OBP, .482 SLG%, and .783 OPS, 11 BB, 32 SO.
7 of J-Hey’s 8 HR have come with nobody on base. All of his 3B have come with nobody on base
Seems like we get the rookie year Jason Heyward at the plate when runners are on base. He’s more patient, hits for a better average, and gets on base at a much higher rate.
However, when nobody is on base it seems like he’s trying to hit for more power and he is, but it’s costing him a lot in the average and OBP department. He clearly has a different mentality at the plate when runners are on compared to when nobody is on. He has a lower average, lower OBP, lower walk rate, and higher strike out rate when nobody is on base. Seems like he’s much more focused on advancing the runners and getting on when runners are on base and it seems like he’s more worried about making something happen and putting up a crooked number on the scoreboard when nobody is on base. The stats somewhat prove that he has a different mentality at the plate with runners on compared to when nobody is on base. Maybe he should change his approach/attitude at the plate when nobody is on. Give up some of that HR power for average and OBP…. He’s still going to hit a decent amount of HR’s but I think he could put up a much better avg and OBP if he changed his mentality in this situation.
JeanE
June 12th, 2012
5:51 pm
Gotta agree, I went, The Braves got Dempster, wow!!!! Then I read further…it’s very misleading but gets you reading!!
nolie
June 12th, 2012
5:52 pm
it’s very misleading,but gets you reading!!
another poet…
Ralph
June 12th, 2012
5:53 pm
If the braves would score some runs they wouldn’t need any pitching. Having said that, as DOB suggested we might want to add a pitcher in the Bullpen and he hinted that Hernandez would be the one to leave. If by some miracle Minor should have an outstanding outing tonight and Meds does the same at Gwinette I suppose they will bring Medlen back to the Pen and say adios to Livan. Please God, make it happen.
I dislike Freddi more daily...
June 12th, 2012
5:54 pm
Why is Freeman batting 7th? Why is Heyward off again after just having a day off? Come on man. gd
TheOnlyBravesFan
June 12th, 2012
5:55 pm
7 of J-Hey’s 8 HR have come with nobody on base. All of his 3B have come with nobody on base
And Dan Uggla gets accused of hitting useless solo homeruns. Heyward is a bum. Trade him…
Stat Bully
June 12th, 2012
5:55 pm
AJC firing of David O’Brien, other beat writers unlikely
Seriously, thanks for the headline change–the original totally threw me for a loop.
richbrave
June 12th, 2012
5:56 pm
DOWN ON THE FARM
GWINNETT
7:05 p.m. start
MISSISSIPPI
Scheduled day off.
LYNCHBURG
Twi-night double-header. First game 6: p.m.
ROME
Double-header. Game 1 in progress SANDGNATS up 2-1 bottom of the third.
DSL
10:30 a.m. start. No report posted.
cowdogit
June 12th, 2012
5:56 pm
Not doing Chipper any good by trying to play him at third . Arthritis has set in ,let him pinchhit and end his career with a little dignity .
richbrave
June 12th, 2012
5:57 pm
Nerdville
June 12th, 2012
5:37 pm
The Yankees will dominate the Braves this series. Watching the Braves last night was about as much fun as my ingrown toenail. The Yanks will show just how weak the Braves are compared to an elite team.
MIXXO?
nolie
June 12th, 2012
5:58 pm
arthritis? Really?
richbrave
June 12th, 2012
5:59 pm
phil
June 12th, 2012
5:30 pm
“….Release someone.…”
Anyone. Don’t just fiddle while ROME burns!
TheOnlyBravesFan
June 12th, 2012
6:00 pm
Braves 7-2 on tuesdays…. Looking good. Minor goes 6, 2 or 3 ER…. Braves win!
nolie
June 12th, 2012
6:02 pm
don’t be drinkin the kool aid phil, this game has been a loss since they made up the schedule. everybody knows that….
jim
June 12th, 2012
6:12 pm
So far this year Mac, Freeman, Chipper, Prado, and Heyward have all played at least one game hitting 3rd. Can we settle on some consistency?
Someone posted earlier that Heyward had higher BA, OBP with runners on vs bases empty, but more HRs and 3Bs with bases empty. This is probably a feature of hitting 7th in the lineup where a walk or single is not likely to result in a run — trying to do too much?
TheOnlyBravesFan
June 12th, 2012
6:14 pm
wait is Diaz 5-9 against CC? Don Sutton just said he’s 3-4 (still good,but smaller sample size)
Jay Dubu
June 12th, 2012
6:17 pm
When CC get knocked out of the game in the bottom of the 9th, Fredi will have Heyward available to pinch hit.
I know the season is long, and you can’t win every game, but Fredi can not afford to give games away like he did against the Blue Jays…especially when the Braves are in 2nd place.
He acts as if the Braves have the lead. Remeber last season Fredi, and just 1 win would have put you in the playoffs.
It doesn’t matter when the win came, you only needed 1.
jim
June 12th, 2012
6:20 pm
The way Girardi managed his pen last night, Jason won’t see a RH pitcher at any stage of the game if it is at all close.
JeanE
June 12th, 2012
6:20 pm
Chipper, I love ya, but that’s not nice to say that about Matty D even if you’re kidding! Why don’t you try getting a hit tonight instead of cracking your career is over when you’re hitting behind Matty, then we’ll talk.
At least Matt got fired up the other night, it was so funny to see him get ejected even if he couldn’t come back in the game. I’d like to see all the guys fired up tonight, come on.
Big Yank
June 12th, 2012
6:22 pm
I hear the Yankees have their eye on Bourne, waiting to see if he is good enough to be a Yankee. Money is no problem.
F. W. Ren
June 12th, 2012
6:23 pm
TheOnlyBravesFan
I would rather keep Heyward, and trade you!!
jim
June 12th, 2012
6:25 pm
Actually two more wins were needed to make the playoffs — one win only got us into a tiebreaker game. (It was only one more win against the Cardinals during the first 162 games)
Jay Dubu
June 12th, 2012
6:26 pm
Braves had last night to get the stars out of their eyes while in awe of the Yankees…so, tobight, let’s play ball
Gil in Mechanicsville
June 12th, 2012
6:26 pm
On misleading headlines…
Folks, you have to ditch your speed reading skills when reading newspaper headlines. It is the headline writer’s job to pique your interest. The Dempster headline was misleading but if you went back and scanned it a second time, you could see the hook.
On Diaz… I don’t get the hate. The guy plays a decent outfield and hits lefties. I don’t know what else you want from him. He is not the one costing the Braves a ton of money. A couple of things you have to remember. First, you have to have enough money to lure top tier talent to your organization. Secondly, that talent does indeed want to play for your organization.
If Matt Diaz was the player everyone wanted him to be, the Braves could not afford him. Accept him for what he is and move on.
While tonight’s matchup does not appear to favor the Braves on paper, they still have to play the game. Who knows, Mike Minor could pitch the game of his life. It happens every so often, especially when such pitchers realize they are on the short list to make room for a kid being “stretched out” in triple A.
If winning is truly all that important to you, perhaps you should become a Yankee fan, after all, there is always room on the bandwagon… Sure, I want my team to win but win or lose, they are my team. GO BRAVES.
McFann :Ô: :Ô: :ô:
June 12th, 2012
6:27 pm
Doofus Once again McFann is right.
Naturally…
What was I right about this time…?
And yes, I am a lady—thank you.
nolie
June 12th, 2012
6:27 pm
TOBF—Heyward.?
Heyward—TOBF ?
close, but I gotta go with Jason too…..
Ralph
June 12th, 2012
6:28 pm
Big Yank
Bourn doesn’t hit enough home runs for the Yankees, they don’t care about stealing bases, just knock them in with one swing, Kemp would be more their style CF.
Jay Dubu
June 12th, 2012
6:28 pm
If they played the tie break game…that would have been “the playoffs”.
Just like I said, 1 more win.
nolie
June 12th, 2012
6:29 pm
except that Kemp aint available, and whats wrong with who they have?
Big Yank
June 12th, 2012
6:31 pm
@Ralph
Yeah, I guess you’re right. Bourne would not be the epitome of a Bronx Bomber.
Ralph
June 12th, 2012
6:32 pm
Yankees will upgrade whenever they can
Big Yank
June 12th, 2012
6:33 pm
Maybe more like whenever they want to.
NEW CARS
June 12th, 2012
6:35 pm
My preference would be to see how Medlin does. Juurjens has pitched well two of his last three outings and the poor one he was sick and I can’t figure why they pitched him. I would rather see a trade for Carlos Quentin. That would allow Prado to be available to play rf,2b,1b and 3b and protect us against one of those four guys going down. I can’t bear to see Hinske, Diaz or Costanza have to start for any duration.
Ralph
June 12th, 2012
6:35 pm
Actualy the Yankees are waiting for Heyward to reach his hype and start hitting 40HR’s, 300BA in time for free agency.
TheOnlyBravesFan
June 12th, 2012
6:35 pm
Fire nolie and F. W. Ren!!!!!
nolie
June 12th, 2012
6:37 pm
I hafta pay more attention. I never noticed that BBRef will sum and average any part of a players career
Murph
June 12th, 2012
6:41 pm
I miss the Gattis hype… on days like today, when things about the Braves are feeling glum, a little Gattis talk was all it would take to cheer me right up. Instead I have to read about Matt Diaz vs Heyward… blub, bluuuuub, bluuuuuuuuuuuuub.
Ralph
June 12th, 2012
6:44 pm
Good one Murph
David O'Brien
June 12th, 2012
6:44 pm
Hey DOB, read the headline and you tell me if it reads that the Braves traded for Dempster. Come on, dude. — Brian
Ha. I didn’t realize it till later after seeing a bunch of facebook comments.
But you know what? I think we should do that intentionally in future. That way the short-attention-span theatre folks would have to read more than headlines and 140-character Tweets, right?
David O'Brien
June 12th, 2012
6:46 pm
Sheesh, fix your headline. I guarantee you your journalism teacher would have failed you for that. — StrunkAndWagnel
You really know where to hit me where it hurts. My journalism teacher would have failed me. I mean, really, at this point in my life that’s hugely important.
David O'Brien
June 12th, 2012
6:49 pm
It amazes me that more posters are more concerned about the headline(which is technically correct) than the fact that DOB made a mistake in his lineup in two different places. – Doofus
So, Doofus, let me get this straight. You read the obvious typo in the lineup as listed below, and instead of your brain processing that and realizing it was an obvious typo, you instead thought what? That Chipper was playing LF? That Freeman was playing LF? I’m just curious, what part of it were you left wondering about?
Braves lineup: Bourn CF, Prado 3B, McCann C, Uggla 2B, Diaz RF, Chipper 3B, Freeman 1B, Simmons SS, Minor P
McFann :Ô: :Ô: :ô:
June 12th, 2012
6:51 pm
Doofus DOB made a mistake in his lineup in two different places.
DOB didn’t do that—that was Fredi…
nolie
June 12th, 2012
6:52 pm
Fredi woulda made more mistakes than just two places…..
phil
June 12th, 2012
6:54 pm
I’m just amazed that the headline had to be changed.
No, wait. Actually, i’m not.
Disgusted
June 12th, 2012
6:55 pm
I heard that the Dodger and Andre Eithier came to a 5 yr 85 million dollar agreement today.
If Eithier can command that you tell me that another team will not offer 5 and 70 plus million for Bourn this off season?
That is one key piece off the FA marked this off season.
There is still a window of opportunity right now, but as time passes and the price of good talent rises, the window of opportunity is going to be short for Brave fans.
Mark my word, by the later part of the decade we will be a bottom 5 payroll team assuming things stay the same.
Braves fans cannot afford patience, because this window of chance is going to be short.
Man that TV deal until 2031 sucks. I hope to outlive that. Even in my oldest yrs will not stop rooting for another golden era even if I have to wait into my late 70’s for it. Just get decent ownership in here.
phil
June 12th, 2012
6:55 pm
FG made a mistake ever becoming a manager….
Bat Masterson
June 12th, 2012
6:55 pm
I just figured Prado and Chipper would both start the game at third incase Jeter tried a bunt.
nolie
June 12th, 2012
6:57 pm
Chipper always could use any help he could get at third….
Disgusted
June 12th, 2012
6:58 pm
“On Diaz… I don’t get the hate. The guy plays a decent outfield and hits lefties. I don’t know what else you want from him. He is not the one costing the Braves a ton of money. A couple of things you have to remember. First, you have to have enough money to lure top tier talent to your organization. Secondly, that talent does indeed want to play for your organization.”
@Gil in Mechanichsvile — Spot on could NOT BE SAID ANY BETTER.
The parent corporation has the $$$$$$$ but is not going to invest it in the Braves. And they are not going away any time soon.
The more I see what other teams are paying guys, the less optomistic I am five, eight, ten yrs down the line. The 2020’s are going to be bleak if status quo remains what it is now.
phil
June 12th, 2012
6:58 pm
The Cubs run of futility, the Indians’ failures, the Mariners, the Astros, Padres, etc….
Plenty of support for the possibility that most of us never see us win a championship again.
Now I’m depressed. Sigh.
njbraves
June 12th, 2012
7:00 pm
Disgusted….how is the Braves window to win short?? They have a bunch of pitchers in their early 20’s and several young position players, who are all under team control for years to come. Wrong again buddy.
Big Yank
June 12th, 2012
7:00 pm
Really, about all the Braves have is Prado and Bourne. I don’t know if Casey could do much with that.
phil
June 12th, 2012
7:00 pm
And this is why I take no season for granted…
Fire Chip Carey!! Please!
nolie
June 12th, 2012
7:04 pm
Minor pitching? 27-5
Tomahawk Mafia
June 12th, 2012
7:06 pm
It is difficult to have an optimistic feeling about this game. I predict 6 walks and 3 homers from Minor tonight.
Disgusted
June 12th, 2012
7:06 pm
Harrison is hardly lighting anything up,a 102 ERA+ and a 1.4 WHIP are nothing special at all. both he ans Salty would not have stayed with the team since then anyway most likely. whole lotta over reaction here to that trade. It sure wasn’t Tex’s fault that we didn’t get there that first year. he was great
@nolie — The organization goofed with hallowing Jo Jo over Harrison, while Harrison is not great, at least he is MLB caliber. I hate that they overhyped and kept on giving Reyes chance after chance to show what he was — The WORST pitcher in ATL Braves history.
Had we kept Harrison over Jo Jo Reybumb, it would have been easier to take.
On the other hand, the Texiera deal was made for some of the right reasons and I do not hate it cause we did get one yr of outstanding play from TEX.
But the second Texiera deal for Kotchman and Marek, that is the one I despise with a capitall D.
Jo Jo and Kotchman are my two least favorite Braves of all time. Even more unlikable than Rocker, Andres Thomas and Claudell Washington. Len Barker too, I hated that guy.
Waffle House or Bust
June 12th, 2012
7:06 pm
Jones in there and Diaz. HA HA HA HA!!!!! Fredi is a joke and I predicted he would F things up when Braves were starting to gel without Chipper. Appreciate the guy but can’t wait for him to walk away and end the 90’s finally in Atlanta.
phil
June 12th, 2012
7:07 pm
Chip seems to think starched flags pointing towards the Braves pen is a good thing….
I guess FG is smarter than one member of the entire bunch.
nolie
June 12th, 2012
7:08 pm
we may end up begging for the Mercy Rule to be enforced
Brava
June 12th, 2012
7:08 pm
Go Braves!!!
phil
June 12th, 2012
7:10 pm
Poor Minor…
I said earlier, 3 homers at least, one for ARod at a minimum.
Here we go!
nolie
June 12th, 2012
7:11 pm
and so it begins….
phil
June 12th, 2012
7:11 pm
54 percent and Chip calls it a humid night….
Lord, please deliver us…
TheOnlyBravesFan
June 12th, 2012
7:11 pm
Ominous start for Minor…
But the second Texiera deal for Kotchman and Marek, that is the one I despise with a capitall D.
I am Disgusted by that 2nd Tex trade…
Slide J-Hey
June 12th, 2012
7:11 pm
Old A Jones is back in Braves outfield but with Yankees
Brava
June 12th, 2012
7:12 pm
Minor is pitching a preview of the Home Run Derby tonight. Get your popcorn.
Disgusted
June 12th, 2012
7:12 pm
@njbraves — Give it 4, 5 yrs down the line and my predictions will come true assuming Liberty Media stays around.
And you are not my buddy.
Once its time for these young pitchers to walk and get paid, they are going. The Braves will not pay 21st century wages. We will see what happens with Bourn, Prado and Mc Cann over the next couple yrs. You do see what other teams are paying to keep their core players and they are not all superstars or even All-Stars.
Just keeping good players will go for 9 or 10 mil before long. Just wait and see what this will be in late decade.
And some of these so called young pitchers like Minor and Teheran are slow in developing.
phil
June 12th, 2012
7:12 pm
Yippeee! An out!
bravesgrl4life
June 12th, 2012
7:12 pm
Okay, gte two more and the Jeeter hit doesn’t hurt so bad.
taylor
June 12th, 2012
7:12 pm
I don’t understand some of the Tex trade hate. He did exactly what we wanted him to do:
.317/.404/.615, 17 HR, 56 RBI, in 54 games
The man absolutely raked for us.
phil
June 12th, 2012
7:13 pm
Will Tex bunt?
cabravesfan
June 12th, 2012
7:13 pm
And some of these so called young pitchers like Minor and Teheran are slow in developing.
Julio Teheran turned 21 in January. He is young.
Disgusted
June 12th, 2012
7:14 pm
For some reason, I have a gut hunch that Minor is going to give us a nice surprise and pitch a special game tonite.
Might be the only game we take in the series, but hey “U PLAY @ WIN THE GAME”
THEY ARE WHO THEY THOUGHT THEY ARE
U WANT TO CROWN THEM THEN CROWN THEM. LOL
nolie
June 12th, 2012
7:14 pm
Tex is hitting 219, lets walk him
Bat Masterson
June 12th, 2012
7:15 pm
Minor bringing it @ 100 mph
Tomahawk Mafia
June 12th, 2012
7:15 pm
I hate when Braves pitchers jump ahead of hitters 0-2 or 1-2 and then end up walking them.. Quite nibling.
phil
June 12th, 2012
7:15 pm
Really…
njbraves
June 12th, 2012
7:15 pm
Disgusted….how is Teheran slow in developing?? He’s 21 years old genius. So you think the Braves will let everyone go?? Great call buddy, on point as usual.
VaBravesFan
June 12th, 2012
7:16 pm
Disgusted
I’ve mentioned this many times. Kotchman had a great year in 2007 before being traded in 2008 to ATL. He just didn’t maintain his production. In 2007 Kotchman played 137 games and produced a 296/372/467/840 37 Doubles 11 HR with more walks than strikeouts at 24 years old.
brian
June 12th, 2012
7:16 pm
The young pitchers are pitching scared of the Yankees. Just make your pitches and what ever happens happens
TheOnlyBravesFan
June 12th, 2012
7:17 pm
Where was that pitch blue??? Cheating minor of a strikeout
brian
June 12th, 2012
7:17 pm
Give it to me blue!!!!!!!!! That was strike 3
Disgusted
June 12th, 2012
7:17 pm
@ca braves — I know he is young but from what we have seen in MLB he does not need to be here on a contending post season team.
We cannot let this get away again like they did last September.
Jo Jo and Charlie Morton had all this and that and you know how that turned out. Those Baby Braves did not turn out to be what they were supposed to be.
Just being young does not give a kid the entitlement to come in and mess it up. Either he is part of the solution or part of the problem.
Jury on Teheran is that he is a struggling young pitcher who has not helped to date.
JNick
June 12th, 2012
7:18 pm
“During August and September, you’d hate to see games blown because they felt compelled to use Livan Hernandez in the fifth inning of a still-winnable game.”
Sick burn, DOB, I love it
David O'Brien
June 12th, 2012
7:18 pm
A-Rod pops out with 2 on for 2nd out
brian
June 12th, 2012
7:18 pm
Taylor – most people hate the tex trade to the angels more than getting him to the braves
McSopheee
June 12th, 2012
7:19 pm
Why was the Yankees 1B coach pointing at the ball? It’s like he was helping Freddie.
TheOnlyBravesFan
June 12th, 2012
7:19 pm
Good job Minor!
nolie
June 12th, 2012
7:20 pm
way to hang in there Mike
McSopheee
June 12th, 2012
7:20 pm
Way to get out of it Minor.
Tomahawk Mafia
June 12th, 2012
7:21 pm
He wiggled out of that jam pretty well.
MFin04
June 12th, 2012
7:21 pm
Gotta win this game.
Oh and by the way…who was it that said a platoon with Heyward was not possible?
Disgusted
June 12th, 2012
7:21 pm
@Va Braves fan — Kotchman never did live up to what he was supposed to be even with the Angels, he is an average player when he has been good, but to have Kotchman replace a star like Tex, that was in insult to Braves fans.
Would have been better off taking back the draft choices instead of Kotchman/Marek.
Kotchman does not hit with enough power or drive in enough runs. He was good but not great in 07.
VaBravesFan
June 12th, 2012
7:21 pm
Tex for Kotchman and Merek ended up as a terrible trade. But like I said the Braves thought they were still getting a 290/370/450 hitter in Kotchman.
njbraves
June 12th, 2012
7:22 pm
Disgusted…you’re so lost I actually feel bad for you.
Bravefaninok
June 12th, 2012
7:22 pm
Dale Murphy makes a great point on the broadcast….If Minor can keep the yankees in check and have a good game his confidence should go way up.
Bat Masterson
June 12th, 2012
7:22 pm
100 according to the stadium scoreboard. Might be off a tad bit, eh.
Gil In Mechanicsville
June 12th, 2012
7:22 pm
It is tough when a young pitcher, not named Strasburg, can’t get a call on the black. The Washington rookie gets calls even Tom Glavin didn’t get.
2K91
June 12th, 2012
7:22 pm
This may have already been mentioned but whyis McCann hitting 3rd against a lefty?
bravesgrl4life
June 12th, 2012
7:23 pm
Good job by Mike to get out of the two on situation.
TheOnlyBravesFan
June 12th, 2012
7:23 pm
Bourn continues that hitting streak… he’s on fire!!!
BFChris27
June 12th, 2012
7:23 pm
Bourn!!!!!!!!!!!!
Brava
June 12th, 2012
7:23 pm
Mikey!!!
bravesgrl4life
June 12th, 2012
7:23 pm
Here we go!!
phil
June 12th, 2012
7:23 pm
On that pop out to first, clearly in foul ground, the ump pointed skyward for the infield fly rule anyway. If it’s dropped in foul ground, obviously the rationale for the rule doesn’t come into play.
So why call ARoid out automatically that way when it’s a foul ball? Is it just the rule, period, is it discretionary depending on how close to the line it is or just what?
Rule experts?
VaBravesFan
June 12th, 2012
7:24 pm
Of course Kotchman was a huge step down from Tex, but still at only 25 years old and the season he had in 2007 we thought he’d be pretty good. 372 OBP 840 OPS 37 Doubles is not bad.
TNScott
June 12th, 2012
7:24 pm
Nice hit, Michael!
Slide J-Hey
June 12th, 2012
7:24 pm
Blue just gave CC a strike thats was more outside than Beach’s…
MIBravesFan
June 12th, 2012
7:24 pm
Good start, Michael!
kevkat
June 12th, 2012
7:24 pm
he should bunt with the way things have been going lately
JasonInFL
June 12th, 2012
7:25 pm
Why is Mac batting 3rd?
kevkat
June 12th, 2012
7:25 pm
figures….
Efrim
June 12th, 2012
7:26 pm
That was me MFin. I didn’t think Fredi would really do it, and he hasn’t committed to it yet. We’ll see….
McFann :Ô: :Ô: :ô:
June 12th, 2012
7:27 pm
Watch it, will ya?…
David O'Brien
June 12th, 2012
7:27 pm
Bourn has hit leadoff 1st-inning single in four of past five games, and had a leadoff walk in the game before that.
TheOnlyBravesFan
June 12th, 2012
7:27 pm
McCann!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
bravesgrl4life
June 12th, 2012
7:27 pm
Maybe Mac can put it out of reach of Toilet Boy (get it, Swisher?.
cabravesfan
June 12th, 2012
7:27 pm
ARRGGGHHHHH
TuffShhhtuff
June 12th, 2012
7:27 pm
2k91, McCann is batting third using the same convoluted thought process that has Diaz in LF, rather than the redhot Heyward. Common sense and logic just goes out the window!
Disgusted
June 12th, 2012
7:27 pm
I will always appreciate Mikey’s work here even if he wars another uni next yr which I expect him to.
An rooting for Frenchy too, regardless how it ended. Will do the same for Mc Cann.
It will not feel good being a farm system for the rest of MLB, but will always like the players who serves so well here.
I even rooted for Tommy G. when he was a Met so long as it was not vs us.
nolie
June 12th, 2012
7:27 pm
Mac caint do anything right…..
cricket
June 12th, 2012
7:27 pm
lucky stankees
TheOnlyBravesFan
June 12th, 2012
7:27 pm
that little turtle has helped already…
McSopheee
June 12th, 2012
7:28 pm
You’re welcome people.
MFin04
June 12th, 2012
7:28 pm
“372 OBP 840 OPS 37 doubles” and ZERO runs scored. He was the slowest human being I’ve ever seen play a sport. McCann looks like Bourn compared to Kotchman.
bravesgrl4life
June 12th, 2012
7:28 pm
Not quite what I was wanting, but very close.
McFann :Ô: :Ô: :ô:
June 12th, 2012
7:28 pm
Yay, a Double!!
Stupid rule! Even when he gates a hit, he gets robbed!!…
Efrim
June 12th, 2012
7:28 pm
Sabathia looks very hittable so far. Good double by Mac, tough break.
phil
June 12th, 2012
7:28 pm
Terrible break with our luck….
MIBravesFan
June 12th, 2012
7:28 pm
Great double, BMac! And somehow it figures it bounced over the dang fence!
bravesgrl4life
June 12th, 2012
7:28 pm
I’d like to order an Uggla tater now, please.
VaBravesFan
June 12th, 2012
7:28 pm
Damn… Bourn would have scored.
Brava
June 12th, 2012
7:28 pm
BMac!!!
Slide J-Hey
June 12th, 2012
7:28 pm
That rule need changing
stizz
June 12th, 2012
7:28 pm
Soon we can see all star Matt Diaz prove Fredi right
Bat Masterson
June 12th, 2012
7:28 pm
Damn bad luck on the bounce
Atta boy, Heap
Tomahawk Mafia
June 12th, 2012
7:28 pm
That seems to happen to the Braves much too frequently.
Doofus(Goober and Gomer's Smart Brother)
June 12th, 2012
7:29 pm
McFann, don’t remember now what you were “right about”, but you were. I learned a long time ago a lady is right, even when she’s wrong!
cricket
June 12th, 2012
7:29 pm
the most patient man on braves will walk
TheOnlyBravesFan
June 12th, 2012
7:29 pm
Maybe Mac can only hit pitchers who are bigger than him….
JasonInFL
June 12th, 2012
7:30 pm
Works every time.
Why is Diaz batting 5th?
TheOnlyBravesFan
June 12th, 2012
7:30 pm
Matty D, you better make this worth it…..
stizz
June 12th, 2012
7:30 pm
Not at all comfortable with Uggla walking and Matty D at the plate.
phil
June 12th, 2012
7:30 pm
Ok, lefty killer….
VaBravesFan
June 12th, 2012
7:30 pm
Another walk for Uggla.
Efrim
June 12th, 2012
7:30 pm
I want bases loaded for Diaz so he can hit a home run and we can have a bunch of people saying that Fredi’s decision was the right call…………..
TNScott
June 12th, 2012
7:30 pm
Nice AB, Dan!
Murph
June 12th, 2012
7:30 pm
Bases loaded for…. Diaz?
Yippee.
bravesgrl4life
June 12th, 2012
7:30 pm
Okay, MattE, here’s your chance!
Tomahawk Mafia
June 12th, 2012
7:31 pm
I love the walks by Uggla.
Disgusted
June 12th, 2012
7:31 pm
Kotchman will never see 20 HRs and 80 RBI’s in his lifetime Va Brave.
Guess we can agree to disagree. As it turned out, Kothcman and Brandon Wood who were supposed to be so highly ranked by BB America in 05 were disappointments, Kotchman is a journeyman major league guy and Wood was a BUST with a capital B.
Baseball America is not right alot of the time. That is why I do not get excited about prospects. I believe it when I see it.
Look how the Baby Braves let us down (save for Mc Cann).
Slide J-Hey
June 12th, 2012
7:31 pm
please no dp…
cricket
June 12th, 2012
7:31 pm
make phat boy work
VaBravesFan
June 12th, 2012
7:31 pm
Come on Diaz… He blows this the blog will explode and I’ll be part of it.
LAG
June 12th, 2012
7:31 pm
Didn’t realize that Uggla’s OBP was so high (.385 before that walk), but I can believe it.
Murph
June 12th, 2012
7:31 pm
Holy crap, look at Diaz!!!!!!!!
TheOnlyBravesFan
June 12th, 2012
7:31 pm
Ladies aren’t always right, but McFann is right more than she is wrong…
Nice to see Matty D….. look at that speed by Uggs… Mac couldn’t have done that…
cabravesfan
June 12th, 2012
7:31 pm
Any further questions?
BFChris27
June 12th, 2012
7:31 pm
Matty D!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
cricket
June 12th, 2012
7:31 pm
Fredi is a friggin GENIUS
bravesgrl4life
June 12th, 2012
7:32 pm
MattEEEEE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
TNScott
June 12th, 2012
7:32 pm
Great hit, Matty D!!!!
kevkat
June 12th, 2012
7:32 pm
GREAT!!!!
McFann :Ô: :Ô: :ô:
June 12th, 2012
7:32 pm
MATTEE!!!! YOU ROCK!!
Efrim
June 12th, 2012
7:32 pm
HAHAH! Fredi was right!!! Heyward would of never done that!!!
Brava
June 12th, 2012
7:32 pm
Woohoo!!! Matty D!!!!!!!!
Disgusted
June 12th, 2012
7:32 pm
Hello Matty D. Haters………..Not bad heh…………
phil
June 12th, 2012
7:32 pm
Yes sir!!
But it won’t matter with Minor pitching….sigh?
McSopheee
June 12th, 2012
7:32 pm
Good job, MattE. Guess Fredi’s a genius now.
njbraves
June 12th, 2012
7:32 pm
That’s why Matt Diaz is in the line up tonight…
kevkat
June 12th, 2012
7:32 pm
Diaz eats CC alive
BFChris27
June 12th, 2012
7:32 pm
Matt Diaz owns CC Sabathia!!!!!!!!!!!!!
nolie
June 12th, 2012
7:32 pm
worthless POC Diaz with three meaningless ribbies. guy should not be in the bigs at all.
Slide J-Hey
June 12th, 2012
7:32 pm
Greg Walker all smiles in Dugout..
MIBravesFan
June 12th, 2012
7:32 pm
MATTY!!!!!!
Bat Masterson
June 12th, 2012
7:32 pm
Murph
June 12th, 2012
7:32 pm
Now let’s just hope Livan doesn’t get in the game and we might actually have a chance.
VaBravesFan
June 12th, 2012
7:32 pm
Disgusted
I’m not talking about now, Kotchman sucks…. LOL I’m just pointing out that the Braves thought they were getting someone capable of being a Mark Grace or Sean Casey type 1st baseman. I agree he isn’t good. I’m just pointing out why they like Kotchman.
cabravesfan
June 12th, 2012
7:33 pm
Sooo…like I was saying earlier…
LAG
June 12th, 2012
7:33 pm
Fredi plays the numbers and it works.
Good rip, Matty.
prattvillenolzfan
June 12th, 2012
7:33 pm
I guess Fredi was wrong for starting Diaz huh!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Tomahawk Mafia
June 12th, 2012
7:33 pm
That was fun and I love Uggla’s hustle. Minor needs to make this lead stand.
AZBravoFan
June 12th, 2012
7:33 pm
.600 now
TheOnlyBravesFan
June 12th, 2012
7:33 pm
Only 1 AB, but that was nice to see… CC is mad! lol
Very tight/awkward strike zone tonight… ump isn’t calling any corners…
MFin04
June 12th, 2012
7:33 pm
CC looks skinny must be all those Subway Meat Ball Subs.
And I haven’t heard Murph kill Diaz lately? You know that Matt Diaz that can’t hit lefties anymore?
Mcflange1
June 12th, 2012
7:33 pm
Bravegirl4life,
I am very happy to admit that I am an idiot.
That is all.
Go Barves!
cricket
June 12th, 2012
7:33 pm
if a move works, it is the right move
kevkat
June 12th, 2012
7:34 pm
Well scoring 3 to this point is the good news…can Minor get scoreless top inning is the question
Efrim
June 12th, 2012
7:34 pm
I love it. It was the right call, because the results were positive. Love it…………..
prattvillenolzfan
June 12th, 2012
7:34 pm
Hey Cabraves fan…I thought you’d be the 1st to post after that hit!!!!!!!!!!!
.
Doofus(Goober and Gomer's Smart Brother)
June 12th, 2012
7:34 pm
DOB, actually the first time I saw the typo in the article, I accepted it as just that, but then when I saw it the second time in your post, I started analyzing things like FG does and just assumed he maybe was putting both of them there. One for soft hits, the other for hard grounders, etc. As I said in an earlier post, who needs a leftfielder when you are playing the Yankees!
Disgusted
June 12th, 2012
7:34 pm
Freeman need a hit bad he has stunk as of late.
One more out and he deserves to be Booed.
VaBravesFan
June 12th, 2012
7:34 pm
Matty comes threw. Crazy how he mashes LHP so much. lol
phil
June 12th, 2012
7:34 pm
Dead wrong about Matt tonight….
Release Heyward and sign Matty for 7 more years!
MFin04
June 12th, 2012
7:34 pm
Interesting shift on Chipper there…
Efrim
June 12th, 2012
7:34 pm
if a move works, it is the right move
Hah!
Disgusted
June 12th, 2012
7:34 pm
Freddie Freeman cannot do the job anymore.
CaptMudd
June 12th, 2012
7:35 pm
Hello everyone….The Jones boys on the same field again—interesting game–love that we came out with fight …..Like that Mac got one big hit too–here we go!!!
LAG
June 12th, 2012
7:35 pm
Efrim – HAHAH! Fredi was right!!! Heyward would of never done that!!!
I wouldn’t say “never.” But it’s good to see Diaz earn his keep around the house.
Mcflange1
June 12th, 2012
7:35 pm
Efrim,
TheOnlyBravesFan
June 12th, 2012
7:35 pm
Ballgame!!!!!!!! 3-0 lead, and Minor will hold it up.
MFin04
June 12th, 2012
7:35 pm
3 runs ain’t going to cut it tonight…
cabravesfan
June 12th, 2012
7:35 pm
prattvillenolzfan-
Took too long to turn from the TV to the computer
Tomahawk Mafia
June 12th, 2012
7:35 pm
Freeman’s .300 OBP is just ugly. That boy needs to work counts and take walks.
McFann :Ô: :Ô: :ô:
June 12th, 2012
7:36 pm
TOBF McFann is right more than she is wrong…
Believe what you wannoo…
D.A. Nuggla
June 12th, 2012
7:36 pm
Concerning Diaz for JH: That cute little saying is very appropriate here. The one that goes “even a blind squirrel finds a nut ever now and then”.
nolie
June 12th, 2012
7:37 pm
platoon RF….
David O'Brien
June 12th, 2012
7:37 pm
Diaz now 6-for-10 vs. Sabathia; rest of Braves were 8-for-45 against him before tonight
phil
June 12th, 2012
7:37 pm
Mac beginning to make contact?
40 pitches this inning for Minorleague?
Murph
June 12th, 2012
7:37 pm
And I haven’t heard Murph kill Diaz lately? You know that Matt Diaz that can’t hit lefties anymore?
i haven’t really ragged on Diaz in a couple of months… I only allow myself to speak negatively of 1 Brave at a time. At first it was Diaz, but then Durbin took the lead. Once Durbin settled down I moved to Heyward, and am now on to Livan.
I want to see Livan pitching in North Korea next season. Hell, i want him pitching there by the end of June. He should never take the mound for the Braves again. 62mph curveball right over the heart of the plate? What a doodie head.
Half Empty
June 12th, 2012
7:37 pm
haven’t seen you find one yet Nuggla
Efrim
June 12th, 2012
7:38 pm
I wouldn’t say “never.” But it’s good to see Diaz earn his keep around the house
That’s the way I look at it. If he’s here, he better his LHP. Can’t really do much else.
phil
June 12th, 2012
7:38 pm
Mac should’ve caught that screaming foul off the mask…sigh.
George Stein
June 12th, 2012
7:39 pm
if a move works, it is the right move
Fail.
bravesgrl4life
June 12th, 2012
7:39 pm
Thanks, flange1
Where are the rest of the Diaz haters from this afternoon?
TheOnlyBravesFan
June 12th, 2012
7:39 pm
62mph curveball right over the heart of the plate?
That was my curveball speed when I was 14!!! lol
Trey
June 12th, 2012
7:39 pm
Good ol’ Andruw!
Half Empty
June 12th, 2012
7:40 pm
you mean like Hinske? but much better
bravesgrl4life
June 12th, 2012
7:40 pm
Good job with that K, Mike!
CaptMudd
June 12th, 2012
7:40 pm
Guy must hail from Flushing Meadows, NY
Frankie Wren
June 12th, 2012
7:40 pm
Oh my, great call on those ragging on Fredo with lineup. J Hey probably goes yard there with bags loaded but only a bases clearing knock for Diaz. Keep bit-ching before a game has even started, that’s knowledgeable baseball fans at it’s best.
TheOnlyBravesFan
June 12th, 2012
7:40 pm
Some nice pitches from Minor this inning…
phil
June 12th, 2012
7:40 pm
Poor Chip….totally clueless.
McSopheee
June 12th, 2012
7:41 pm
Yay Andruw! One of my faves.
TheOnlyBravesFan
June 12th, 2012
7:41 pm
good job Andy
McSopheee
June 12th, 2012
7:41 pm
Geez, wish the fans were a little more responsive when he came up to bat.
Slide J-Hey
June 12th, 2012
7:41 pm
AJ still got that little smile
Efrim
June 12th, 2012
7:41 pm
platoon RF….
I think he’s already secured 3 starts next week vs. Chen, Sabathia and Pettitte……..
David O'Brien
June 12th, 2012
7:41 pm
Curacao to Curacao — Andruw lined out to Andrelton
Half Empty
June 12th, 2012
7:41 pm
Fail? yeah in real life those three RBI were so meaningless. better that they had made the “right move” than score three runs. typical stathead bull
phil
June 12th, 2012
7:41 pm
Nice tattos, andruw…..sigh.
Half Empty
June 12th, 2012
7:42 pm
too bad JJ wasn’t the pitcher there
Efrim
June 12th, 2012
7:42 pm
if a move works, it is the right move
Fail.
Epic.
Bo
June 12th, 2012
7:43 pm
One don’t make Matty a all-star.But who knows ?.
phil
June 12th, 2012
7:43 pm
Screw Andruw….he just went through the motions with us, it seemed. Good riddance.
Brava
June 12th, 2012
7:44 pm
Alright! Go Minor!
kevkat
June 12th, 2012
7:44 pm
Well, first question mark accomplished..now can he go five innings.
VaBravesFan
June 12th, 2012
7:44 pm
ESPNNYYankees wallace matthews
Diaz’ bases-clearing not exactly a shock; Braves RF had 5 hits in 9ABs off CC coming in
TNScott
June 12th, 2012
7:44 pm
Nice shutdown inning, Mike!!!
MIBravesFan
June 12th, 2012
7:44 pm
Good inning, Mike!
kevkat
June 12th, 2012
7:44 pm
or more…
Frumpy
June 12th, 2012
7:44 pm
The real issue with our pitchers at present is their early pitch count. Delgado last night, minor already 37 pitches in 2 innings. Wont get past 5th/6th inning
Bo
June 12th, 2012
7:44 pm
Enter your comments here
Tomahawk Mafia
June 12th, 2012
7:44 pm
Solid inning by Minor. That is exactly what he needed to do in that frame.
nolie
June 12th, 2012
7:45 pm
yeah. JJ to Andruw to Simmons woulda been epic
Bravefaninok
June 12th, 2012
7:45 pm
Disgusted
June 12th, 2012
7:34 pm
Freeman need a hit bad he has stunk as of late.
One more out and he deserves to be Booed.
You do know he is playing hurt…..Can’t even bend his finger,but feel free to booo one of the excellent young players for being a team player and doing everything he can to help us win.
Jimmy
June 12th, 2012
7:45 pm
Short in-game comment:
Brillant move by FG starting Mattie over Heyward. Fire anyone who doesn’t agree.
Uggla looking great taking walks when pitches aren’t there.
BMac crushes a double. Give him two Little Debbie Zebra Cakes when he gets in the dugout.
Minor gets out of a jam in the first.
DOB changed the title of the blog.
Things looking good so far.
OK, you bunch of losers…have at it.
And, see you in the morning good folks.
George Stein
June 12th, 2012
7:45 pm
So, if you have unprotected sex with a person with HIV but you don’t, by some miracle, contract the virus, you made a solid decision, Efrim?
Bat Masterson
June 12th, 2012
7:45 pm
Good job, Mike
kevkat
June 12th, 2012
7:45 pm
David O’Brien
June 12th, 2012
7:41 pm
Curacao to Curacao — Andruw lined out to Andrelton
Great observation DOB!
phil
June 12th, 2012
7:46 pm
So far, so good for Minorleague….
Second time through the order?
McFann :Ô: :Ô: :ô:
June 12th, 2012
7:46 pm
phil Mac beginning to make contact?
Oh, he’s been making contact……
Efrim
June 12th, 2012
7:46 pm
better that they had made the “right move” than score three runs
Well, Heyward’s next at bat vs. LHP may be in Spring Training of 2013……so it worked for the best…..
Tomahawk Mafia
June 12th, 2012
7:46 pm
Frumpy
Good point. Braves pitchers throw way too many pitches. They seem to have a difficult time putting hitters away after jumping ahead of them. I believe opposing pitchers are aware that when they are behind in the count against the Braves they can be patient and know that they are going to nibble.
Half Empty
June 12th, 2012
7:46 pm
what a totally moronic, totally unrelated in any way comment Stein. Freakin’ idiot.
bravesgrl4life
June 12th, 2012
7:46 pm
Lets go Simba Andy!
TuffShhhtuff
June 12th, 2012
7:47 pm
Someone in baseball years ago, and I can’t remember who, said, ” I would rather be lucky than good!” That applies to managers just as well as players. I would think that’s what FG is saying to himself right now over and over.
BFChris27
June 12th, 2012
7:47 pm
Simmons!!!!!!!!!
ChattTownBrian (CTB)
June 12th, 2012
7:47 pm
Mike looking good, bats look alive and well. Could be a great night.
TNScott
June 12th, 2012
7:47 pm
Nice hit, Andy!
phil
June 12th, 2012
7:48 pm
A good question, George Stein….
But i don’t think he was being quite so dead serious as you thought.
George Stein
June 12th, 2012
7:48 pm
I’m making the point that results don’t prove process, Half Empty.
MIBravesFan
June 12th, 2012
7:48 pm
Good job, Simmons!
Jimmy
June 12th, 2012
7:48 pm
…one more thing. It is obvious that FG looks at stats. Thats why Diaz is in there.
Minor calls No Hanna Rule.
Later good folks.
George Stein
June 12th, 2012
7:48 pm
Then it’s on me, Phil. Apologies.
phil
June 12th, 2012
7:48 pm
Minor is pathetic trying to bunt…..good grief
Efrim
June 12th, 2012
7:48 pm
So, if you have unprotected sex with a person with HIV but you don’t, by some miracle, contract the virus, you made a solid decision, Efrim?
Hah! You don’t read my posts enough, George. I’m on your side. Sarcasm with all of these posts.
Trey
June 12th, 2012
7:49 pm
George, you made a horse sh*t to cow piss comment. One has nothing to do with the other.
Slide J-Hey
June 12th, 2012
7:49 pm
Looks like damn pitchers would learn to bunt.
nolie
June 12th, 2012
7:49 pm
wow. where in the world did that irrelevant strawman appear from George?
bravesgrl4life
June 12th, 2012
7:50 pm
Keep your hitting going, Bourn!
Tomahawk Mafia
June 12th, 2012
7:50 pm
I think those were the worst bunt attempts I have ever seen.
George Stein
June 12th, 2012
7:50 pm
Didn’t catch it, Efrim. Apologies.
Not one for parallel reasoning, huh, Trey?
JNick
June 12th, 2012
7:50 pm
“Oh, he’s been making contact……” – McFann
His .234 average and equal number of K to BB says otherwise…if you look at his stats, his Ks have been going up and OPS going down….just sayin’.
stizz
June 12th, 2012
7:50 pm
If anything is right in this world, the Thunder will come out victorious. This NBA finals matchup is the best possible matchup of how to build a team and how not to build one. If the Heat win, all it does will set a precedent for the major market clubs to gather three of the top 20 players in the league, giving smaller markets no chance.
phil
June 12th, 2012
7:51 pm
Half Empty
June 12th, 2012
7:46 pm
what a totally moronic, totally unrelated in any way comment Stein. Freakin’ idiot.
********
he’s far from being an idiot….
CaptMudd
June 12th, 2012
7:52 pm
Simmons very clean, nice job Andrelton!
Trey
June 12th, 2012
7:52 pm
George, have some parallel reasoning ready and get back to me.
Tomahawk Mafia
June 12th, 2012
7:52 pm
Minor cost Bourn a hit with his inability to successfully bunt.
TheOnlyBravesFan
June 12th, 2012
7:52 pm
Why was Mac catching for the Yanks???
Half Empty
June 12th, 2012
7:53 pm
in a ball game results are what count. I know what you think you are trying to prove, though not really proving anything by turning your nose up at three runs. another armchair theorist who ignores the realities
CaptMudd
June 12th, 2012
7:54 pm
Can anyone tell me the extent of Nick Markakis’ injury?
Half Empty
June 12th, 2012
7:55 pm
it was an idiotic statement phil HIV-ballgame. come on that was a ludicrous stretch. just because he is bright in stats does not make him bright about the real game. certainly does not make Shaun knowledgeable.
George Stein
June 12th, 2012
7:56 pm
You judge decisions partially by their results, but they should be judged primarily by the data we had at the time of the decision. That’s all I was trying to say.
nolie
June 12th, 2012
7:56 pm
gotta agree. that was extremely silly and totally unrelated
kevkat
June 12th, 2012
7:56 pm
Tomahawk Mafia
June 12th, 2012
7:52 pm
Minor cost Bourn a hit with his inability to successfully bunt
That’s true..but if that’s the only thing he fails at tonight I’ll take it
McFann :Ô: :Ô: :ô:
June 12th, 2012
7:56 pm
JNick His .234 average and equal number of K to BB says otherwise…if you look at his stats, his Ks have been going up and OPS going down
I mean recently. And for the whole season, most of the time, he is making contact, but there’s always a fielder in the way…
And I didn’t think he’d really K’d much this year—20 K’s isn’t that bad.
D.A. Nuggla
June 12th, 2012
7:57 pm
I can promise you, and if I had a $100 bill in my hand right now would bet it, that 3 runs is NOT going to win this game!
Trey
June 12th, 2012
7:57 pm
Minor’s been pretty decent tonight. I’m impressed. Maybe he got his sh*t together.
TNScott
June 12th, 2012
7:57 pm
Nice off speed K, Mike!
Efrim
June 12th, 2012
7:57 pm
Minor looks good. Ahhhh, decisions, decisions.
brian
June 12th, 2012
7:58 pm
2nd time through the order for minor. Hope he keeps up his good work and goes after these hitters
George Stein
June 12th, 2012
7:58 pm
It was deliberately extreme, nolie.
McDS1nnnn
June 12th, 2012
7:58 pm
Though I still think that Heyward should be in there today, doesn’t mean I am not happy for Matt Diaz and the team. BTW, if you wanted him in there badly enough, sit Chipper for one of his weekly rest games.
Looks like Mac has a good start. (fell asleep and missed the whole first inning)
And Andruw almost looks svelte, huh! Too bad he didn’t take his conditioning serious before he left ATL.
phil
June 12th, 2012
7:58 pm
Heyward never catches that ball….
nolie
June 12th, 2012
7:58 pm
the decision was made on data available at the time . Heyward has sukked against lefties and Diaz hits them, and Sabbathia, well
Trey
June 12th, 2012
7:59 pm
Maybe the Braves need to start threatening to demote more of their players to get them get their crap together.
JNick
June 12th, 2012
7:59 pm
@McFann, when you only have a .234 average, and you’re only using 1/3 of the field when you do make contact, and you’ve been out of the lineup off and on – 20 Ks is a lot. As much as I like Mac, his stats are steadily declining, and he has looked lost since his oblique injury last year.
brian
June 12th, 2012
7:59 pm
No walks with a 3-0 lead. Don’t have to throw it down the middle but don’t have to pitch around people either
nolie
June 12th, 2012
7:59 pm
oh well I gotta go. y’all take care and get us a win
brian
June 12th, 2012
8:00 pm
Left that ball hanging
phil
June 12th, 2012
8:01 pm
George – not sure why some are overreacting to your harmless question….
oh well.
brian
June 12th, 2012
8:01 pm
Still an efficient inning for minor
bravesgrl4life
June 12th, 2012
8:01 pm
JNick, get the hell off McCann. McFann is right, he’s been making contact but it’s unfortunate that a lot of his contact at bats have been right at fielders. Sometimes, that is the way the cookie crumbles and Mac hasn’t enjoyed a lot of cookies whole this year.
MIBravesFan
June 12th, 2012
8:01 pm
A good 3rd inning for Mike
George Stein
June 12th, 2012
8:01 pm
I suppose that’s where we disagree, nolie. I don’t care about nine ABs and if Diaz hits that well against lefties, then he should always play against them. But you’re certainly free to disagree.
TNScott
June 12th, 2012
8:01 pm
Nice inning, Mike.
Half Empty
June 12th, 2012
8:01 pm
Minor looking about as good as he ever has so far tonight
George Stein
June 12th, 2012
8:02 pm
I kind of get it, Phil, because it was extreme and it uncomfortable. Whatever. I’m not too worried about it.
Frankie Wren
June 12th, 2012
8:03 pm
Minor’s expression reminds me of Jay Cutler. Hope his personality is better.
TheOnlyBravesFan
June 12th, 2012
8:03 pm
Mac hasn’t enjoyed a lot of cookies whole this year.
Good! He doesn’t need any. Haven’t you seen him?
Let’s go Mac, get you a hit right here!
brian
June 12th, 2012
8:04 pm
Cc is a big dude
brian
June 12th, 2012
8:04 pm
The 2 pitches were enough there murph
McFann :Ô: :Ô: :ô:
June 12th, 2012
8:05 pm
Fine—thanks a lot, BMac…
Half Empty
June 12th, 2012
8:05 pm
too bad that isn’t the regimented way the game is played then dude, like I said just another stathead who is more concerned with how the numbers are than actually winning games. demanding that every little thing be regimented with little room for the humanity of the game. whatever floats your boat, but don’t be surprised that most fans care more about scoring runs and actually winning the game
JNick
June 12th, 2012
8:06 pm
I love the tough girl talk on here…lol. Especially when they’re arguing against facts and stats. Yeah, sucks when teams know you are only capable of hitting the ball to 1/3 of the field and put the shift on against you.
TheOnlyBravesFan
June 12th, 2012
8:06 pm
Mac, we were just talking about you not K’ing too much, and you had to whiff, didn’t you…
Still a 1-2 night…
UGGLA!!!!!!!!!!!
MIBravesFan
June 12th, 2012
8:06 pm
Nice double Danny!!
brian
June 12th, 2012
8:06 pm
Nice rip uggla
BFChris27
June 12th, 2012
8:06 pm
Uggla!!!!!!!!!!!!
TheOnlyBravesFan
June 12th, 2012
8:06 pm
arrgh, he just missed it… maybe you could spread some of your dust on Mac?
TNScott
June 12th, 2012
8:06 pm
Dan the Man!!
Trey
June 12th, 2012
8:06 pm
Dan the Man Uggla!
McDS1nnnn
June 12th, 2012
8:07 pm
Missed by THAT much!
Jake W.
June 12th, 2012
8:07 pm
If anything is right in this world, the Thunder will come out victorious. This NBA finals matchup is the best possible matchup of how to build a team and how not to build one. If the Heat win, all it does will set a precedent for the major market clubs to gather three of the top 20 players in the league, giving smaller markets no chance.
The precedent has already been set. Outside of San Antonio when is the last time a small market team won. Multi superstar teams reside in the big markets like LA, Mia, Bos, and so on. Miami wasn’t the first team to do it, it was just the first time free agents assembled one, the others have been assembled by GM’s. Boston assembled theirs with former star players Allen and Garnett, Kobe didn’t make it back to the promised land until the Lakers basically stole Gasol from Memphis. Smaller market teams are few and far between at the podium.
Seattle/OKC got lucky. Portland picked the big man again at number 1 and they got Durant at number 2 and continued to build through the draft. Imagine being a Portland fan though. The fans have stayed loyal but that team missed out on drafting Jordan and now Durant. Both players they picked right before them turned out to be bust.
cabravesfan
June 12th, 2012
8:07 pm
Mac has gone to left field several times in the last week
McFann :Ô: :Ô: :ô:
June 12th, 2012
8:07 pm
Nice one, Uggla!!
He is on FIYA!!
Half Empty
June 12th, 2012
8:07 pm
yeah phil because HIV is so apt with baseball. give me a break.
George Stein
June 12th, 2012
8:07 pm
I have no idea what you’re talking about, Half Empty. Whatever.
bravesgrl4life
June 12th, 2012
8:07 pm
Go get him again, MattE
David O'Brien
June 12th, 2012
8:07 pm
Let’s see, before tonight one outfielder was hitting .194 (14-for-72) against lefties with 2 HR, a .575 OPS and 23 strikeouts.
The backup outfielder was hitting .311 (14-for-45) against lefties with, 2 HR, an .881 OPS and four strikeouts. Oh, and was a team-best 5-for-9 against tonight’s pitcher.
Nevermind that Matt Diaz had a three-run double in the first inning tonight. He was the guy hitting .311 with an .881 OPS vs. lefties before tonight, while Heyward was hitting .194 with a .575 OPS and 23 strikeouts in 72 at-bats against lefties.
Anyone who seriously doesn’t understand that move, well, I don’t know what to tell ya. You don’t make midseason lineup decisions based on how you hope one guy will develop someday, not when the statistics are as glaringly lopsided as the above numbers are. This isn’t the developmental league.
longtimefan
June 12th, 2012
8:08 pm
I guess the majority of you guys owe FG an apology. Diaz looking good. I know, I know- maybe Heyward would have had hit a GS. But if Diaz had hit into a DP, you would have been all over Fredi. Maybe he’s not so stupid after all.
TheOnlyBravesFan
June 12th, 2012
8:08 pm
smart play by the yanks…. dumb play by uggs
Trey
June 12th, 2012
8:08 pm
Well, that double turned meaningless.
bravesgrl4life
June 12th, 2012
8:08 pm
Ah, shoot.
njbraves
June 12th, 2012
8:08 pm
Dumb baseball once again.
brian
June 12th, 2012
8:08 pm
Horrible base running by Dan. This is what we are teaching my 10 year olds
Half Empty
June 12th, 2012
8:08 pm
Uggla is such a hustler, but not a good move there
MIBravesFan
June 12th, 2012
8:09 pm
Nice one, Chipper!
TheOnlyBravesFan
June 12th, 2012
8:10 pm
Dan just cost us a run…. Hope Minor can keep the Yanks under 3
brian
June 12th, 2012
8:10 pm
Good post DOB. Looked like a no brainer to me
Half Empty
June 12th, 2012
8:10 pm
of course, now that the lead runner is gone we get another hit. Murphy rules.
Slide J-Hey
June 12th, 2012
8:10 pm
CC just don’t have it tonight but damn glad Braves are hitting.
Half Empty
June 12th, 2012
8:10 pm
Bummer
TheOnlyBravesFan
June 12th, 2012
8:10 pm
Freeman struggling…
Efrim
June 12th, 2012
8:11 pm
the decision was made on data available at the time . Heyward has sukked against lefties and Diaz hits them, and Sabbathia, well
nolie, you in favor of a platoon in RF?
Jake W.
June 12th, 2012
8:12 pm
Heat may be getting to big CC. People don’t say it enough but Atlanta isn’t the easiest city to pitch in.
brian
June 12th, 2012
8:12 pm
Diaz is clobbering lefties again which is great for him and great for the braves. Diaz was useless last year when he couldn’t hit lefties. I have to admit I thought Diaz was done with the way he finished last year but I am thrilled that I was wrong
Bo
June 12th, 2012
8:13 pm
I’d like to see your 10 year old play..maybe in Atlanta 2022?
Jake W.
June 12th, 2012
8:13 pm
Fredi has an emmy, and folks say he’s not a winner
McDS1nnnn
June 12th, 2012
8:14 pm
DOB
If this is all true, then Heyward should be platooned every time against a lefthander. How is he ever going to learn to hit lefties if he doesn’t get the chances?
If you want Diaz bat in the lineup, then you rest Chipper. How many times has Heyward sat against lefthanders this year so far? About 5-6 times at least. Not quite a platoon, but how’s the kid ever going to get better?
You’ve got starters and then you’ve got Heyward.
And please don’t get me wrong, I like Diaz and think he should be in the game.
Booger Burnette's Left Earlobe
June 12th, 2012
8:14 pm
Chipper looks 40 years old. Freeman still looks blind.
brian
June 12th, 2012
8:14 pm
I don’t think it will quite be a straight platoon but heyward will get his rest against lefties. Hopefully heyward will put his days off to good use working with the hitting coaches
George
June 12th, 2012
8:15 pm
Just poped on to say” no lead safe with MINOR pitching”.
Efrim
June 12th, 2012
8:15 pm
Anyone who seriously doesn’t understand that move, well, I don’t know what to tell ya. You don’t make midseason lineup decisions based on how you hope one guy will develop someday, not when the statistics are as glaringly lopsided as the above numbers are. This isn’t the developmental league.
Just asking, but do you think he should be in a platoon – Heyward that is? And if so, do you think Freeman will be placed in a platoon based on his terrible stats vs. LHP?
Braveone
June 12th, 2012
8:16 pm
From the previous blog which had 1,944 comments, nolie led the way with 165 posts. There were 195 different poster names. Here are the Top 25:
Rank Poster Frequency
1 nolie 165
2 TheOnlyBravesFan 86
3 Efrim 79
4 Brian from SC 48
5 Lew 47
6 phil 46
7 DS1 44
8 The A Bomb 43
9 ncscoots 40
10 LAG 39
11 Jay Dubu 38
12 cabravesfan 38
13 Trey 36
14 Jake W. 35
15 Nick 35
16 Tomahawk Mafia 35
17 ChattTownBrian (CTB) 33
18 Disgusted 33
19 Frankie Wren 30
20 brian 30
21 David O’Brien 29
22 McFann :Ô: :Ô: 28
23 Dr.Braves 27
24 Andrelton Simmons 26
25 NickB 26
keylargo
June 12th, 2012
8:16 pm
So, do you think they will give this John Sullivan guy an Emmy like Freddi?
Dr.Braves
June 12th, 2012
8:16 pm
It’s good to see the braves doing well tonight. I guess they’ve gotten their autographed shirts already.
bravesgrl4life
June 12th, 2012
8:17 pm
Settle down, Mike.
Couch Tater
June 12th, 2012
8:18 pm
He was a pleasure to watch in CF.
12 years in Atlanta, Andruw hit 263/342/497 368 HR’s 364 XBH’s. 10 gold gloves.
Frankie Wren
June 12th, 2012
8:18 pm
Braves going to sign Derek Lee to platoon at firstbase with Freeman? Not making much sense there.
MIBravesFan
June 12th, 2012
8:18 pm
Nice 4th inning for Mike.
TheOnlyBravesFan
June 12th, 2012
8:18 pm
Minor looking good…
1 nolie 165
2 TheOnlyBravesFan 86
WTH! nolie musta been bored… took my 1st
TNScott
June 12th, 2012
8:18 pm
Nice inning, Mike!!
Booger Burnette's Left Earlobe
June 12th, 2012
8:19 pm
I don’t always agree with DOB, but you guys that question even the logical moves, like Diaz being in the lineup, make people who have legitimate observations about the lineup look like they are in bed with you idiots!
I don’t like you idiots.
JNick
June 12th, 2012
8:19 pm
If only Fredi played the numbers with his pitchers…see: bringing in Livan, in the 5th inning, with the bases loaded and 1 out…needing a strikeout or a ground ball…when he has other pitchers, with better K rates and gb rates in his bullpen….::sigh::
George Stein
June 12th, 2012
8:19 pm
Fair points, David.
It doesn’t explain why Fredi also says it’s not a platoon situation. Why doesn’t he platoon Ross (assuming he’s healthy) for McCann, as Ross has a 1.257 OPS against lefties while McCann has a .664 OPS against them.
Perhaps it’s the inconsistencies in his decisions? Either way, the decision makes little sense (to me) in the bigger picture. As I said, others are free to disagree.
Efrim
June 12th, 2012
8:19 pm
Gonna take a long time for Heyward to equal Diaz’s stats vs. LHP, if he ever does. He;s been really bad vs. LHP – so as I said early on in the spring, he was on a short leash for a team that wants to win. Which is fine…..
keylargo
June 12th, 2012
8:20 pm
He was a pleasure to watch in CF.
Until there got to be to much of him to watch.
I was thinking he was real close to Andrellton Simmons size when he came up.
D.A. Nuggla
June 12th, 2012
8:20 pm
DOB, when a player is redhot, screw the stats, you don’t sit him down! No matter what! Look what happened to Bourn when he was on fire. FG sat him down and it took him a couple of games to get going again. BTW, we all already knew you were in Fredi’s “dugout” so we know where you’re coming from.
Booger Burnette's Left Earlobe
June 12th, 2012
8:21 pm
“Let’s get Chipper in one last All-Star game!’
Screw that! When Chipper plays like an A-S, he will get my vote! Mac doesn’t get my vote either.
CaptMudd
June 12th, 2012
8:21 pm
What is a “few nothing score?” Chirp Caray!!! Cool cat, oh my!
kevkat
June 12th, 2012
8:22 pm
He’s pitching like he knew it might be sent down after this outing.. good job
Slide J-Hey
June 12th, 2012
8:22 pm
AJ was not a pleasure to watch his last two years in ATL…he looked like a fat ole man.
Brava
June 12th, 2012
8:22 pm
Simmons!!!!
cricket
June 12th, 2012
8:22 pm
You judge decisions partially by their results, but they should be judged primarily by the data we had at the time of the decision.
really? and what data is that? small sample size for diaz’s numbers against CC? what piece of data proves that this decision was wrong? if someone makes an argument that JH should be getting ABs against all LH pitchers, I can accept that as a strategic point. but i’ve still to see any data that proves playing diaz in this game was wrong.
CaptMudd
June 12th, 2012
8:22 pm
Kid is dynamite–all good for sure.
TNScott
June 12th, 2012
8:22 pm
Nice double, Andy!!!
Dr.Braves
June 12th, 2012
8:22 pm
Go Andrelton!!
VaBravesFan
June 12th, 2012
8:23 pm
Simmons has surprised me with the bat up to this point.
MIBravesFan
June 12th, 2012
8:23 pm
Way to go, kid!
TNScott
June 12th, 2012
8:23 pm
Nice AB, Mike!
kevkat
June 12th, 2012
8:23 pm
damn..he can bunt..
Slide J-Hey
June 12th, 2012
8:23 pm
That was his 2nd sac in 31 tries..
TheOnlyBravesFan
June 12th, 2012
8:23 pm
Yanks bring the infield in, Braves didn’t on Sunday…. why the difference?
MIBravesFan
June 12th, 2012
8:23 pm
Good bunt for Mike!
cricket
June 12th, 2012
8:24 pm
time to enjoy dinner and game. you smart folks enjoy pointing out how anything good happens is in spite of all the dumb moves Fredi makes that actually result in the said +ve outcome.
Frankie Wren
June 12th, 2012
8:25 pm
Heyward has not been red hot by anymeans. He’s hit better(not much room but up) but people here make it sound like he’s on fire. Had a couple of good game and then on Saturday he looked horrible at the plate(3 k’s and bad at bats). Trying to win games here. Why do you want 4 lefties in the lineup tonight as well against a great pitcher. Heyward will have the opportunity to play fulltime and the club wants this to happen. Go a couple of weeks with consistency first.
brian
June 12th, 2012
8:25 pm
No way that fredi should platoon McCann and Ross, but instead of always sitting McCann on Sunday he should sit him on the weekend day when the lefty is pitching when the other team has a lefty and a righty pitching on the weekend
David O'Brien
June 12th, 2012
8:25 pm
Four of rookie Simmons’ nine hits (in 10 games) have been extra-base hits
VaBravesFan
June 12th, 2012
8:26 pm
Bourn fails to put ball in play.
McDS1nnnn
June 12th, 2012
8:26 pm
Does that Ethier deal look a little dollar heavy for a guy who is a platoon player?
Booger Burnette's Left Earlobe
June 12th, 2012
8:27 pm
Simmons has not surprised me. I felt he was the future since I saw him in spring training.
Minor tonight…, now HE has surprised me! I have repeatedly called him the left-handed Kyle Davies.
I take it back. At least for tonight.
TheOnlyBravesFan
June 12th, 2012
8:28 pm
Leadoff double, sac bunt, and can’t bring the run home….
Rilo
June 12th, 2012
8:28 pm
ugggghhhh…fail….oh well
kevkat
June 12th, 2012
8:28 pm
…don’t like leaving all these runners aboard….not good
George Stein
June 12th, 2012
8:28 pm
Heyward has a .924 OPS in June, Frankie.
Gil In Mechanicsville
June 12th, 2012
8:29 pm
Got to do a little better getting that guy in from third.
McCant
June 12th, 2012
8:29 pm
Braves keep pi*sing away chances to score more runs. We WILL need more runs.
LAG
June 12th, 2012
8:30 pm
Tonight the Braves are getting their cuts against Sabathia, although all three runs have come in one inning.
Meanwhile, the Yankees have, to this point, failed to get to Mike Minor. Scattered hits, no runs.
Someone last night mentioned how the Yankees’ lineup was frothing at the mouth at the prospect of facing Minor. I guess those rabies shots came in just before the game, huh?
Tomahawk Mafia
June 12th, 2012
8:30 pm
Sabathia really buckled down there and made some tough pitches.
Jake W.
June 12th, 2012
8:31 pm
First real mistake by Simmons
Rick
June 12th, 2012
8:31 pm
Simmons finally looks human in the field.
Tomahawk Mafia
June 12th, 2012
8:31 pm
The fifth inning will be a big test for MInor.
brian
June 12th, 2012
8:31 pm
Heyward is turning it around and still looks much better than last year. Even without hindsight Diaz should have started tonight
McDS1nnnn
June 12th, 2012
8:32 pm
CC reminds me of Mickey Lolich.
That’s the closest Simmons will ever come to an E.
Gil In Mechanicsville
June 12th, 2012
8:32 pm
Uh oh, dreaded 5th inning
TheOnlyBravesFan
June 12th, 2012
8:32 pm
Simmons sucks… couldn’t even turn a double play
sarcasm
brian
June 12th, 2012
8:33 pm
3rd time through the lineup will be key for minor
Frankie Wren
June 12th, 2012
8:33 pm
Lets see J Hey do it for the month of June and not a week in a half. Who cares anyway? If it’s Diaz or Heyward in rightfield. If your a Braves fan support whoever the hell is put there.
kevkat
June 12th, 2012
8:33 pm
may not have gotten Jeter anyway, but it sure look like it took Minor forever to throw to second
David O'Brien
June 12th, 2012
8:33 pm
DOB
If this is all true, then Heyward should be platooned every time against a lefthander. How is he ever going to learn to hit lefties if he doesn’t get the chances? — McDS1nnnn
No, I’m sure the manager will bat Diaz against some particularly tough lefties and/or ones he has good numbers against. He hit him against Ricky Romero the other day and he went 2-for-2 with a double. He hit him against Sabathia today and he hit a three-run double.
Fortunately most baseball officials don’t see things as one or the other, black and white with no shades of gray. Rather they adjust according to stats, observations, etc, or just gut feelings. They don’t much care for fans’ fantasy league or favorite-player leanings, however. Sorry.
Jake W.
June 12th, 2012
8:34 pm
Heyward is turning it around and still looks much better than last year. Even without hindsight Diaz should have started tonight
He’s just missing a lot of pitches, isn’t rolling over as many to the first base side. He’s made progress just not at the rate a lot of fans want to see him at.
kevkat
June 12th, 2012
8:34 pm
TheOnlyBravesFan
June 12th, 2012
8:32 pm
Simmons sucks… couldn’t even turn a double play
Yea..let’s get rid of him…
Brian from SC
June 12th, 2012
8:35 pm
9 pitches, 8 strikes in the 5th for Minor.
Disgusted
June 12th, 2012
8:35 pm
I thought they could have given Andruw a little more of an ovation, but in his time here he was not universally loved.
The early comparisons to Ken Griffey Jr did not help Braves fans perception of him, but for a 9 yr stretch from 1998 to 06 he is still one of the very best players we ever had.
Cannot forget the power yrs he had in 2005 and 06. I don’t get that some people thought he was loafing it, say for one of two times as a young guy, he gave it his all from what I saw.
I did not think we as a fan base appreciated him as much as we should have. But as it turned out it was the right decision to let Andruw go at the time.
Sad he is a journeyman player now, he was on his way to Cooperstown numbers had he had another five more good yrs. He’d have over 500 HRS now.
Like Murph, he will fall short because he tailed off so much in his early 30’s. Murph tailed off at 32, Andrew at 31.
TNScott
June 12th, 2012
8:35 pm
Nice 5th, Mike!
David O'Brien
June 12th, 2012
8:36 pm
DOB, when a player is redhot, screw the stats, you don’t sit him down! No matter what! — D.A. Nuggla
Red hot against lefties? You seen his stats against lefties?
Honestly, I really do believe there is a segment of Braves “fans” who’d rather see Heyward play and the team lose than he not play and the team win. No doubt in my mind.
MIBravesFan
June 12th, 2012
8:36 pm
Good job, Mike!
McDS1nnnn
June 12th, 2012
8:36 pm
Minor’s setting himself up to be able to go deep tonight, if he can keep his composure. This is why you don’t give up on your young talented pitching.
Some of you folks were willing to give him away for a utility infielder not long ago.
Disgusted
June 12th, 2012
8:37 pm
Heyward got platooned for one night, he will be back in the lineup soon, Fredi needed a W tonight and as it turned, looks like the right move.
Earl Weaver used to make moves like that all the time.
ChattTownBrian (CTB)
June 12th, 2012
8:37 pm
I appreciate Murphy’s constructive criticism on Minor’s pitching, but it’s working. He’s not walking the park, getting ahead. Murphy knows his stuff, but he was also a hitter, not a pitcher, on some of the worst Braves teams ever.
Brava
June 12th, 2012
8:37 pm
You’ve got that right, DOB.
Rick
June 12th, 2012
8:37 pm
Man I’m wondering what they are gonna do with Medlen now. Delgado was pitching better until last night (which wasn’t terrible) and Minor has looked good his last two outings.
David O'Brien
June 12th, 2012
8:37 pm
Braves Minor has thrown 71 pitches (48 strikes) through five scoreless innings (four hits)
Brian from SC
June 12th, 2012
8:37 pm
Andruw should be compared more to guys like Brooks Robinson, Bill Mazeroski, Ozzie Smith and Luis Aparicio, as all-time defensive greats who are in the HOF. Just so happens that he was better offensively than all of them as well. I think he deserves enshrinement, based on who’s in there now, anyway. A guy like Dale Murphy is not a proper comparison.
Tomahawk Mafia
June 12th, 2012
8:37 pm
Minor passed that 5th inning test pretty well. He has another one due in the 6th.
phil
June 12th, 2012
8:37 pm
George Stein
June 12th, 2012
8:07 pm
I have no idea what you’re talking about, Half Empty. Whatever.
***********
and neither does he normally….
Ship Heyward to AAA (Rob from SC)
June 12th, 2012
8:38 pm
The Medlen move seems to have inspired Minor….
LAG
June 12th, 2012
8:38 pm
Why does Peachtree lose the signal so often?
Jake W.
June 12th, 2012
8:39 pm
The game isn’t over yet but I remember thinking in my head that this is the kind of game the braves can win. It looks so lopsided that there is no chance but the beauty of baseball is that nothing is a given. Monday was a loss before we played because it was Monday. Forget who was pitching or the stats, Monday’s mean homers just miss and scorchers right at people. Tuesday’s give way to miracles. The beauty of 162 game season.
Brian from SC
June 12th, 2012
8:39 pm
As well it should have, Rob. Good to see a guy serious about pitching to save his job.
cabravesfan
June 12th, 2012
8:39 pm
The Medlen move seems to have inspired Minor….
Was just commenting pretty much the same thing to VJ- Mike Minor seems to pitch better when he has something to prove.
McDS1nnnn
June 12th, 2012
8:39 pm
Did DOB just call me a “fantasy fan”??? Now I am really insulted!
Mister Frisky
June 12th, 2012
8:39 pm
I guess Die Azz really does rake lefties.
Brian from SC
June 12th, 2012
8:40 pm
Eh…throw away inning there.
George Stein
June 12th, 2012
8:40 pm
Fortunately most baseball officials don’t see things as one or the other, black and white with no shades of gray.
Except that Fredi is either unable or unwilling to see shades of gray. We know this because of the rigidity with which he deploys his bullpen.
JNick
June 12th, 2012
8:41 pm
@DOB, Diaz played two days ago and we didn’t win. While playing him may have been the right decision (and him going 2-2 was nice), it was negated by a boneheaded decision with pitching. I think you’re giving too much credit to Fredi. Diaz could have easily whiffed in the first, and you’d sing a different tune right now. I just don’t understand why Fredi makes some moves based on stats, and others on what seems to be pure cluelessness.
bravesgrl4life
June 12th, 2012
8:41 pm
I’ve been wondering that, too, LAG.
McFann, did you love that commercial?
Slide J-Hey
June 12th, 2012
8:41 pm
It don’t matter who the player is..you will always have fans that feel that way..DOB
Its not good…
McDS1nnnn
June 12th, 2012
8:41 pm
Rick
What they should have done all along with Medlen, left him in the pen where he was most useful.
Jake W.
June 12th, 2012
8:43 pm
Why does Peachtree lose the signal so often?
Been doing it a lot lately. Getting tired of it myself.
Disgusted
June 12th, 2012
8:43 pm
“CC reminds me of Mickey Lolich.”
Now that is a name of durability from the past. Wonder how long Lolich would have lasted with today;s training methods and medical technology, etc.
Too bad he finshed the back end of his career with a couple of bad Tiger teams and a so so Met team. Might have won in the high 200’s, his 219 W’s (I think that is what he won) was still good for his day.
Lolich was a big game pitcher I remember his 3 W’s in the 68 WS. And he won a game in the 72 ALCS. Never got many post season chances.
I do think CC is better.
Brian from SC
June 12th, 2012
8:44 pm
Better than 2 to 1 strike to ball ratio for Minor. Still work to do, but so far, we’re watching probably Minor’s best performance.
brian
June 12th, 2012
8:44 pm
Put him away minor
DiamondbackMac
June 12th, 2012
8:45 pm
Whoever that guy is, he’s doing a terrible job of impersonating Minor.
Frankie Wren
June 12th, 2012
8:46 pm
Phillies down 3-0 early. It so satisfying watching this team struggle right now.
phil
June 12th, 2012
8:46 pm
David O’Brien
June 12th, 2012
8:36 pm
DOB, when a player is redhot, screw the stats, you don’t sit him down! No matter what! — D.A. Nuggla
Red hot against lefties? You seen his stats against lefties?
Honestly, I really do believe there is a segment of Braves “fans” who’d rather see Heyward play and the team lose than he not play and the team win. No doubt in my mind.
************
NO QUESTION ABOUT IT, DAVE!! Amen.
McDS1nnnn
June 12th, 2012
8:46 pm
Disgusted
Lolich took over that ‘68 series from McLain fo sho.
brian
June 12th, 2012
8:47 pm
Nice battle with Arod for minor.
Efrim
June 12th, 2012
8:47 pm
Honestly, I really do believe there is a segment of Braves “fans” who’d rather see Heyward play and the team lose than he not play and the team win. No doubt in my mind.
Could be, DOB, but I’ll tell you this – if Heyward fails and doesn’t become what he was suppose to become, I think that’s going to really, really hurt the team’s future. Freeman can be lumped in with that statement as well. It’s not nearly like a franchise QB being a bust, but when a big time prospect like Heyward becomes a bust or fails to reach expectations, that hurts as a “fan” – and that is probably why Braves followers want to see the kid in the lineup and succeeding.
McDS1nnnn
June 12th, 2012
8:48 pm
Minor is sure making it hard on whiners tonight. Funny when the whining comes from some of the positive folks (about Fredi’s lineup selections).
brian
June 12th, 2012
8:48 pm
Another good inning for minor. Some insurance would sure be nice
njbraves
June 12th, 2012
8:49 pm
I really can’t believe it…but Minor has been brilliant tonight.
TNScott
June 12th, 2012
8:49 pm
Nice 6th inning, Mike!
LAG
June 12th, 2012
8:49 pm
The Yankees are starting to look like we did last night. Starting to go through the motions after a while.
Tomahawk Mafia
June 12th, 2012
8:49 pm
I would like to see Minor go 7 with the way he has settled down and kept the Yankees off balance.
MIBravesFan
June 12th, 2012
8:49 pm
Nicely done in the 6th by Mike
JNick
June 12th, 2012
8:51 pm
I think Minor solved his own problems. He realized he was throwing too many changeups and batters were sitting back and waiting on that pitch…I’m surprised it took as long as it did, and makes me wonder what McDowell does – I’m sure the Braves chart pitches…you’d think after 2 starts, they’d realize that he was getting killed on changeups. Isn’t that WHY you chart pitches???
Venice Jim
June 12th, 2012
8:51 pm
Sorry, McDSUtahnnayneWnnn1 – trying to do some work, so off on my whining activity…
Well done, CHIPPER!!!
Kat
June 12th, 2012
8:51 pm
Just booked a flight to San Diego for the August series
Brava
June 12th, 2012
8:51 pm
If Heyward doesn’t work out, someone else will take his place. It’s not like what he’s been contributing will be hard to replace. Let’s be real.
Jake W.
June 12th, 2012
8:51 pm
I really can’t believe it…but Minor has been brilliant tonight.
The guy has talent, he just hasn’t been using it. May never be an Ace, that would be a real reach for him but a solid number 3 is within his reach. Its all between the ears for the guy imo.
phil
June 12th, 2012
8:51 pm
I go out and pull a few hundred weeds, come back and Minor still has em shut out.
And Chipper with another hit.
And FF swinging wildly at everything.
MIBravesFan
June 12th, 2012
8:52 pm
Yeah, Chipper!
cabravesfan
June 12th, 2012
8:52 pm
Kat-
Are you going to all 3 games?
McDS1nnnn
June 12th, 2012
8:53 pm
LAG
But, but, but…….. they’re the mighty Yankees. The invincible. They scare the crap out of other teams. The Braves are intimidated by the Yankees.
(maybe they are just lulling us into a sense of security tonight!)
Jake W.
June 12th, 2012
8:53 pm
Really wish Freeman would show some more patience. Its a whole lot easier to be a productive hitter when you give yourself better pitches to hit.
phil
June 12th, 2012
8:53 pm
Chipper looks nimble….lol
Tomahawk Mafia
June 12th, 2012
8:53 pm
I am sick of Freeman swinging at every thing in the ball park.
donte080
June 12th, 2012
8:55 pm
Cool watching young pitcher Minor starting to figure out pitching in the major leagues….
Efrim
June 12th, 2012
8:55 pm
If Heyward doesn’t work out, someone else will take his place. It’s not like what he’s been contributing will be hard to replace. Let’s be real.
Like Constanza, Brava? Still lobbying for him to get regular at bats?
Slide J-Hey
June 12th, 2012
8:56 pm
I’d hate to see Minor come out because the pen is “iffy”.
Do you think Joe and Chip love Jeter?
Bay Area Steve
June 12th, 2012
8:57 pm
“Honestly, I really do believe there is a segment of Braves “fans” who’d rather see Heyward play and the team lose than he not play and the team win. No doubt in my mind.”
That’s just nonsense. Too much blog/twitter hate our crusader’s had to put up with, I’m sure. But, nonsense. And, I liked Diaz’ start. Nonsense.
McDS1nnnn
June 12th, 2012
8:58 pm
Brava
If Heyward doesn’t work out, someone else will take his place. It’s not like what he’s been contributing will be hard to replace. Let’s be real.
Kinda like it’s been easy to get a decent hitting left fielder? Really? As “badly’ as Heyward has played from time to time this year, he’s still OPS+ at 105.
And let’s not talk about last year, when he was hurt for most of the year.
Nah, I really don’t think Heyward with his hitting (and potential) and his defense will be easy to replace.
Efrim
June 12th, 2012
8:59 pm
That’s just nonsense. Too much blog/twitter hate our crusader’s had to put up with, I’m sure. But, nonsense.
Agreed.
VaBravesFan
June 12th, 2012
9:00 pm
Heyward is only 22 years old. Has great Pitch recognition and plate discipline, but so far has only been able to hit RHP. Still way to early to panic, but he needs to face LHP more to have a chance to improve against them some. Even if he doesn’t do so well against them ever he still could be a damn good player.
Chipper is retiring and McCann could be gone after 2013…. The most important players in this organization going forward are Heyward and Freeman IMO.
Frankie Wren
June 12th, 2012
9:00 pm
Should have read there is a segment of Braves “fans” who really don’t understand baseball. Would have been more accurate.
ChattTownBrian (CTB)
June 12th, 2012
9:00 pm
They sure do love picking on Minor
cabravesfan
June 12th, 2012
9:01 pm
Druw has never been able to hot or lay off that high fast ball…
MIBravesFan
June 12th, 2012
9:01 pm
Brian knowing that Andruw couldn’t lay off that high pitch
Brava
June 12th, 2012
9:02 pm
Not at all, Efrim. But, I’d expect that kind of comment from you. You’re so bitter over Heyward’s mediocre performance that you can’t help but lash out at those who aren’t as enamored of him. No, I was talking about a real slugger for the outfield. Get some help.
Slide J-Hey
June 12th, 2012
9:02 pm
I’d like to see the kid get a complete game..but we know in 9th fredi will pull him.
ncbravesfan90
June 12th, 2012
9:02 pm
Who would have thunk it?
TNScott
June 12th, 2012
9:02 pm
Nice 7th inning, Mike!
McDS1nnnn
June 12th, 2012
9:03 pm
CTB
And you’ve been behind Minor all along during his bad stretch?
Tomahawk Mafia
June 12th, 2012
9:03 pm
Great inning and/or outing from Minor.
MIBravesFan
June 12th, 2012
9:03 pm
Great job by Mike tonight!!
ChattTownBrian (CTB)
June 12th, 2012
9:03 pm
I am so impressed with Minor tonight. Probably the most I’ve been with any our starters outings this year, even the complete game by Beachy against MIA.
George Stein
June 12th, 2012
9:03 pm
Nothing wrong with Minor making this a tough decision for the Braves.
bravesgrl4life
June 12th, 2012
9:04 pm
Minor proving himself tonight. Interesting stat there – the man who has given up the most HRs in baseball shutting down the team that has hit the most HRs in basaeball. Iron-Man Mike tonight.
Slide J-Hey
June 12th, 2012
9:04 pm
And Simmons
LAG
June 12th, 2012
9:04 pm
McDS1nnnn – LAG
But, but, but…….. they’re the mighty Yankees. The invincible. They scare the crap out of other teams. The Braves are intimidated by the Yankees.
(maybe they are just lulling us into a sense of security tonight!)
LOL, I hope they keep up this lulling business through tomorrow. The wife, daughter, and I are gonna be in attendance.
David O'Brien
June 12th, 2012
9:04 pm
Perfect sixth and seventh innings for Minor, who has faced only 20 batters (two over minimum) in past 6 innings
Minor has allowed only four hits and one walk in seven scoreless innings, 64 strikes in 95 pitches
kevkat
June 12th, 2012
9:05 pm
donte080
June 12th, 2012
8:55 pm
Cool watching young pitcher Minor starting to figure out pitching in the major leagues….
Is it that or the fact he knew this game could’ve been his last in the majors for a sec with Medlen over his shoulder.
Booger Burnette's Left Earlobe
June 12th, 2012
9:05 pm
If I were in the dugout, I would have to let Minor draw a crowd just to see me kiss his butt because I have bad mouthed him so often. He has pitched a gem so far tonight. I didn’t think he had that in him.
McDS1nnnn
June 12th, 2012
9:06 pm
LAG
So, if they don’t win tomorrow night, it’s on you three!!
Enjoy the game!
phil
June 12th, 2012
9:06 pm
Minor has been his usual pathetic self…..
Guess I was dead wrong tonight. Thank goodness!
Great job of pitching. Maybe he’ll keep it up.
Efrim
June 12th, 2012
9:06 pm
Brava, right. Get a real slugger for the outfield like they’ve done so well with for the last decade. I mean, we’ve had how many productive seasons from the corner outfield spot in the last 15 years? Go ahead – name the seasons. Not that many at all. But you keep on going thinking that Jose Constanza should be playing everyday vs. Jason Heyward. You know more than every scout, analyst, stathead and front office personnel.
MIBravesFan
June 12th, 2012
9:07 pm
Yea, Martin!
MIBravesFan
June 12th, 2012
9:07 pm
Yea, Martin!
TNScott
June 12th, 2012
9:07 pm
Nice hit, Martin!!
bravesgrl4life
June 12th, 2012
9:07 pm
Yea! Marteen isn’t going to go 0fer
MIBravesFan
June 12th, 2012
9:07 pm
Oops!
BFChris27
June 12th, 2012
9:08 pm
McCann!!!!!!!!!!!
MIBravesFan
June 12th, 2012
9:08 pm
BMac!!!
ChattTownBrian (CTB)
June 12th, 2012
9:08 pm
DS1, I haven’t bashed Minor nearly as much as some on here. I’m also not speaking on TV where tons of people hear me.
There ya go Brian!
TNScott
June 12th, 2012
9:08 pm
Nice double, BMac!!!
bravesgrl4life
June 12th, 2012
9:08 pm
Mac!!
cabravesfan
June 12th, 2012
9:08 pm
Mac definitely swinging the bat much better the last few days
Jake W.
June 12th, 2012
9:08 pm
McCann making them pay for last night. Good to see his bat coming around.
phil
June 12th, 2012
9:08 pm
Smoked….nice, Mac!
VaBravesFan
June 12th, 2012
9:09 pm
Looking at our system none of our prospects right now project to be impact hitters like Freeman or Heyward were. They are crucial to this team’s success going forward. Both guys are gonna be counted on to be our top producers very soon. If one of them don’t work out completely or both fail to meet expectations this team will be in trouble offensively.
McDS1nnnn
June 12th, 2012
9:09 pm
Brava
C’mon. So Efrim is “bitter” that Heyward is not playing up to potential? Well what do you call your attitude towards him? You don’t have any idea how to give the kid a break. He’s a heckuva lot better player than you give him credit for.
We see more positive comments from you concerning Constanza than we do for Heyward, who is world’s better as a player.
Mixxo
June 12th, 2012
9:09 pm
R U kiddin’ meeee??
DZ
June 12th, 2012
9:09 pm
Can someone explain to me why you would take Matt Diaz who is a career .500 hitter versus CC Sabathia out of the game?
Jake W.
June 12th, 2012
9:09 pm
Can Matty-D do it again, hell get the chance.
cabravesfan
June 12th, 2012
9:10 pm
Here’s Jason’s chance to pull a MattE
phil
June 12th, 2012
9:10 pm
So now he pinch hits Jason for Matt?
Huh?
Jake W.
June 12th, 2012
9:10 pm
Or not
CaptMudd
June 12th, 2012
9:10 pm
I am going tomorrow…and, a win tonight with a great effort again to close out this series….I don’t think ‘intimidation’ enters in the discussion.
bravesgrl4life
June 12th, 2012
9:10 pm
Boo on this IBB on Uggla
Okay, Heyward, time to show you can hit a leftie!
TaylorVol
June 12th, 2012
9:10 pm
Let’s see what JHey can do with CC here! Great game so far! Love some insurance here.
LAG
June 12th, 2012
9:11 pm
McDS1nnnnn –
The Braves won the first game my wife and I attended but have lost the last four since. If they win, it means my daughter broke the streak!
Rick
June 12th, 2012
9:11 pm
Heyward came in as a defensive replacement in the top of the inning.
McDS1nnnn
June 12th, 2012
9:11 pm
I thought Granderson was going to reach up and rob Mac, considering the bad luck he’s had so far this week.
Brava
June 12th, 2012
9:11 pm
Efrim, you are really making yourself look like an immature ass. I clearly said nothing about Constanza. If you don’t mind, I”d like to enjoy the game.
cabravesfan
June 12th, 2012
9:11 pm
Jason came in in the top of the inning
Rick
June 12th, 2012
9:11 pm
Err actually it might have even been the sixth inning. Too lazy to check…
ncbravesfan90
June 12th, 2012
9:12 pm
Umpire giving CC the corner and not Minor….let’s hear some barking from that dugout Fredi.
VaBravesFan
June 12th, 2012
9:12 pm
Fredi makes no sense LOL
MIBravesFan
June 12th, 2012
9:12 pm
Good job, JHey!
BFChris27
June 12th, 2012
9:12 pm
Productive Out!!!!!!!!!!
Booger Burnette's Left Earlobe
June 12th, 2012
9:12 pm
That’s all you can ask from JHey. Good job there.
Jake W.
June 12th, 2012
9:12 pm
A little insurance, better than nothing.
TNScott
June 12th, 2012
9:12 pm
Nice RBI, Jason!!!
CaptMudd
June 12th, 2012
9:12 pm
4-0 and more to come vs. big, bad Yanks!!!
phil
June 12th, 2012
9:12 pm
At least he got a run in….
FG is a bonehead. Surprise.
bravesgrl4life
June 12th, 2012
9:12 pm
Got the run in at least!
Venice Jim
June 12th, 2012
9:12 pm
Perfect placement – Jason knew exactly where to hit it…
Jerry
June 12th, 2012
9:12 pm
Damn good at bat for Heyward. He showed a lot of maturity there.
VaBravesFan
June 12th, 2012
9:13 pm
Forgot he came in for defense. Forgot my last comment.
LAG
June 12th, 2012
9:13 pm
An RBI is an RBI. Even if the ball travels 95 feet.
Efrim
June 12th, 2012
9:13 pm
Brava, if I’m bitter about Heyward, I’m not sure what to call your feelings/attitude toward him. Were you even rooting for him vs. Sabathia there? I’d bet you were hoping for K.
JC Brave
June 12th, 2012
9:14 pm
Braves beating CC after getting shut out by Nova…
Seems legit..
Joe 12-Pack
June 12th, 2012
9:14 pm
Nice move taking Diaz out, Fredi.
That would have been him hitting with the bases loaded and 1 out in the 7th inning – just like in the first inning.
J-Hey got an RBI but it was a weak ground out. Lucky it wasn’t a DP.
Brava
June 12th, 2012
9:15 pm
Wayne, I give Heyward as much credit as I do any other player. You Heyward man-love club members, frankly, baffle me. He isn’t that great. Maybe he will be, but he isn’t.
kevkat
June 12th, 2012
9:15 pm
It appears we will get no help from the Blue Jays either.
PiersonBrave
June 12th, 2012
9:15 pm
Boy it’s a good thing we had that .194 defensive replacement with the bases loaded.
Sigh. At least it wasn’t a 4-6-3.
Booger Burnette's Left Earlobe
June 12th, 2012
9:15 pm
Watching the replay….. everything about JHey except his arms were bailing out on that pitch! lol
phil
June 12th, 2012
9:15 pm
Bench Chipper…
Slide J-Hey
June 12th, 2012
9:16 pm
Joe pack-12..lol
George Stein
June 12th, 2012
9:16 pm
Am I supposed to believe Shaq drives a Buick?
Brava
June 12th, 2012
9:16 pm
Then you’d lose that bet, Efrim. Unlike you, I nevet root against a Btaves player.
cabravesfan
June 12th, 2012
9:17 pm
I love how the blog has gone from “OMG Fredi is an idiot for starting Matt Diaz” to “OMG Fredi is an idiot for taking Matt Diaz out!”
Sigh…
Slide J-Hey
June 12th, 2012
9:19 pm
fredi making right moves tonight so far
VaBravesFan
June 12th, 2012
9:19 pm
I like the defensive replacement, I just thought Heyward was pinch hitting for Diaz for a second is all.
McDS1nnnn
June 12th, 2012
9:19 pm
Brava
Maybe you think you aren’t hard on Jason, but you should hear yourself some nights. You really are hard on the kid. He had a bad year last year due to that shoulder issue. Some folks think he was milking it, but I’ve had shoulder tendonitus, and it affects everything you do.
And he won’t be 23 until August this year.
Really, not trying to give you a hard time, but from my perspective you are way harder on him than you are on guys like Mac and Freddie.
Just sayin.
cabravesfan
June 12th, 2012
9:20 pm
Mike Minor was brilliant tonight.
Slide J-Hey
June 12th, 2012
9:20 pm
Crap…
MIBravesFan
June 12th, 2012
9:20 pm
Well done, Mike!!! Pitched a heck of a game!
kevkat
June 12th, 2012
9:20 pm
GREAT JOB MIKE
CaptMudd
June 12th, 2012
9:20 pm
Now that is a good move by Fredio
Brava
June 12th, 2012
9:20 pm
Great job tonight, Mike Minor! Kudos.
njbraves
June 12th, 2012
9:20 pm
Good for Minor….hell of a job tonight.
LAG
June 12th, 2012
9:20 pm
Good work, Minor. Good work.
‘Pen, hold it.
ncbravesfan90
June 12th, 2012
9:20 pm
Finally we can tip our cap to one of our guys….Great job tonight Mike!
kevkat
June 12th, 2012
9:20 pm
Bring on Livan!!!
Slide J-Hey
June 12th, 2012
9:21 pm
he didn’t tip his cap
McDS1nnnn
June 12th, 2012
9:21 pm
Looked like Diaz might have strained something in that last AB.
George Stein
June 12th, 2012
9:21 pm
I love how the blog has gone from “OMG Fredi is an idiot
for starting Matt Diaz”to “OMG Fredi is an idiotfor taking Matt Diaz out!”FTFY
TNScott
June 12th, 2012
9:21 pm
Great game, Mike!!!
One Big Dummy
June 12th, 2012
9:21 pm
Maybe I’ll start calling him Major Mikey Minor again… Maybe. Helluva job by Minor tonight!
kevkat
June 12th, 2012
9:21 pm
Lol…………
bravesgrl4life
June 12th, 2012
9:21 pm
Okay, don’t give it up, ‘pen.
nolie
June 12th, 2012
9:21 pm
no not a strict platoon Efrim, but I understand why Fredi made the decision and I’m glad that he did
CaptMudd
June 12th, 2012
9:22 pm
The best game of Mike’s career….congrats!
Jake W.
June 12th, 2012
9:22 pm
J-Hey isn’t that great but then again most young players aren’t great. They have growing pains and some work out and some don’t. Jason was pretty young when he broke in and i’m willing to bet those injuries altered his rise more than just not being good.
On another note, in the Yankees defense about not homering off the homer king, had they been playing in their park they would have tagged him for a couple of cheapies. Thank goodness for regular dimensions.
cabravesfan
June 12th, 2012
9:22 pm
No, my post was right the first time. No need to edit.
Brava
June 12th, 2012
9:22 pm
Back up your accusations, Wayne. I have purposely avoided commenting on Jason this season other than to cheer him for good plays. Show me the comments.
kevkat
June 12th, 2012
9:23 pm
The key to his success tonight…he only walked one.
phil
June 12th, 2012
9:23 pm
Obviously the defensive replacement part makes sense.
But you yank the guy with the great numbers against CC for the guy with bad numbers against lefties instead of letting the guy with the great numbers against CC, who’s already hit a three run double off of him earlier, take another crack at him with the bases once again loaded.
Bizarre to me…
JNick
June 12th, 2012
9:23 pm
Anyone else think CC is overrated? I mean, he makes $24mil a year, and his career ERA is higher than Tim Hudson’s….
Slide J-Hey
June 12th, 2012
9:23 pm
Damn Venter is ? so far this year.
TaylorVol
June 12th, 2012
9:23 pm
Heyward and Freeman are the future of the Braves. Both are only 22, and already have high expectations. Diaz will likely be gone in another year, but he’s a great PH off the bench. I am amazed at his stats. vs. lefties. I’d rather be wrong and win. The Diaz double was HUGE!
Jerry
June 12th, 2012
9:23 pm
Prior to Minor’s last game, he said that they figured his troubles began with his reliance on throwing the changeup too much. In the last two games, he has thrown very few changes. Looks to be working. Great game.
cabravesfan
June 12th, 2012
9:24 pm
phil-
Jason came in at the TOP OF THE 7th as a defensive replacement.
Rilo
June 12th, 2012
9:24 pm
ohhhh Johnny.
Slide J-Hey
June 12th, 2012
9:24 pm
told you so..Fredi better not let’em blow it.
Efrim
June 12th, 2012
9:25 pm
Unlike you, I nevet root against a Btaves player.
Braca, you clearly have something against Jason Heyward. You wanted Jose Constanza to continue to get plate appearances in front of Jason and have never cared for him at all. This has been pretty clear by everyone who reads your comments. What I ask from you, is what Braves player do I target with hatred and vitriol as you do for Heyward? Matt Diaz? Don’t think I had a conversation with anyone about Matt Diaz. But you continue with your garbage.
brian
June 12th, 2012
9:25 pm
Jonny needs to trust his stuff here
Bay Area Steve
June 12th, 2012
9:25 pm
“I love how the blog has gone from “OMG Fredi is an idiot for starting Matt Diaz” to “OMG Fredi is an idiot for taking Matt Diaz out!”
Yes, I’m certain that’s the same posters you’re speaking of. Is this despicable? I wouldn’t want VJ to accuse me of being despicable.
Tomahawk Mafia
June 12th, 2012
9:25 pm
Trouble brewing on two balls that really should have been turned into outs.
phil
June 12th, 2012
9:25 pm
I was one of em, george stein….
Looks like bad johnny?
nolie
June 12th, 2012
9:25 pm
crap I got back just in time to see them lose I guess
Disgusted
June 12th, 2012
9:25 pm
I hope Venterbumb does not mess this one up for Minor.
All he has to do is get two lousy outs, he cannot do that he needs to go.
Great work for Mike tonight, so far not so great for Venters.
Efrim
June 12th, 2012
9:25 pm
Brava*
njbraves
June 12th, 2012
9:26 pm
I hate Venters…the guy just doesn’t throw strikes.
McDS1nnnn
June 12th, 2012
9:26 pm
Brava
I am not Random. I do not have a listing of all posts. But all I have gotten from you concerning Jason is that he is not all that.
Deny it.
The A Bomb
June 12th, 2012
9:26 pm
Once you let Gonzalez start making moves is when the cloud of negativity starts hovering around.
Yeesh.
Venice Jim
June 12th, 2012
9:26 pm
who’s already hit a three run double off of him earlier, take another crack at him with the bases once again loaded
But he didn’t know the bases would be loaded 10 minutes earlier when put him in to play right field in the top of the inning…
Booger Burnette's Left Earlobe
June 12th, 2012
9:27 pm
PLEASE Jonny! Get this over with! Moylan lite is warming in the bullpen!
kevkat
June 12th, 2012
9:27 pm
Here we go…outside of Kimbrel..no one’s dependable from pen..everyone’s an adventure
Disgusted
June 12th, 2012
9:27 pm
Need to get Venters out of here now and I mean for good.
Send Venterbumb down and bring back Medelen. Venters cannot do the job anymore.
The A Bomb
June 12th, 2012
9:27 pm
But to be POSITIVE Minor shoved it right up Gonzalez’s rear end tonight. Nice job.
Tomahawk Mafia
June 12th, 2012
9:27 pm
Damn the bullpen and their tendency to make things way to interesting and put the game in doubt.
Ship Heyward to AAA (Rob from SC)
June 12th, 2012
9:27 pm
WE NEED A RIGHT HANDED SETUP MAN
brian
June 12th, 2012
9:27 pm
Good comment by murph on the granderson single. Good pitch and a cue shot grounder. Just found a hole.
No excuse for the walk though to bring the tying run to the plate in Arod
kevkat
June 12th, 2012
9:27 pm
Enter your comments here
Slide J-Hey
June 12th, 2012
9:27 pm
Here we go again..one swing and its tied
phil
June 12th, 2012
9:27 pm
cabravesfan
June 12th, 2012
9:24 pm
phil-
Jason came in at the TOP OF THE 7th as a defensive replacement.
***********
LOL! Had no idea! Thanks for helping me out there. Shouldn’t have been pulling weeds.
njbraves
June 12th, 2012
9:27 pm
Why can’t this idiot throw the ball over the plate??
Jerry
June 12th, 2012
9:27 pm
Jesus Venters, please don’t blow this!
Andrelton Simmons
June 12th, 2012
9:27 pm
Looking like another AMAZING call to the bullpen by Fredi G.
Venice Jim
June 12th, 2012
9:27 pm
Steve – you are really getting wearisome – you might as well have another word if you are going to spend the rest of your life making fun of me, for reasons I do not understand…
CaptMudd
June 12th, 2012
9:28 pm
Keep the darned ball out of the dirt Jonny walker….red
Booger Burnette's Left Earlobe
June 12th, 2012
9:28 pm
Jonny isn’t even close….geez!
brian
June 12th, 2012
9:28 pm
Rob – we do. His name is medlen
George Stein
June 12th, 2012
9:28 pm
Clearly I was, Phil…
I kinda still am.
PiersonBrave
June 12th, 2012
9:28 pm
Puke. Come on Venters!!!
Jake W.
June 12th, 2012
9:28 pm
Jonny’s killing the dirt
Ship Heyward to AAA (Rob from SC)
June 12th, 2012
9:28 pm
Pull Venters
Jay Dubu
June 12th, 2012
9:28 pm
Gotta take Venters out.
Disgusted
June 12th, 2012
9:28 pm
Another Venters meltdown, cannot blame Fredi for this. Johnny has made Fredi look bad too many times and this is Venters’ fault.
He needs to be DFA’ed/
Cap: Where's My Tip
June 12th, 2012
9:28 pm
low averages are pointless when you just flat out walk the guy
Ship Heyward to AAA (Rob from SC)
June 12th, 2012
9:28 pm
What is Gonzalez waiting for?
Jay Dubu
June 12th, 2012
9:28 pm
He’s going to spoil Minor’s great start.
JNick
June 12th, 2012
9:28 pm
…Durbin hasn’t been scored on in over a month….just sayin’.
brian
June 12th, 2012
9:28 pm
Got to go Kimbrel here. CMart?.??
ncbravesfan90
June 12th, 2012
9:28 pm
This is the save situation now Fredi! Kimbrel in now!
Jake W.
June 12th, 2012
9:28 pm
No EOF available?
Doofus(Goober and Gomer's Smart Brother)
June 12th, 2012
9:28 pm
Might I suggest Livan right here?
Slide J-Hey
June 12th, 2012
9:29 pm
I hate McDowell…
Andrelton Simmons
June 12th, 2012
9:29 pm
Get VENTERS OUT HE’S A PIECE OF SHHHHTI THIS YEAR
Tomahawk Mafia
June 12th, 2012
9:29 pm
No help in the bullpen with Martinez and Gearrin warming up. This is Kimbrel time.
Disgusted
June 12th, 2012
9:29 pm
If Venters lets this get away I never want him pitching in a Braves uniform again.
brian
June 12th, 2012
9:29 pm
Same pitch right here
Ship Heyward to AAA (Rob from SC)
June 12th, 2012
9:29 pm
Can’t blame Venters… This is what happens after the previous two years of abuse.
Venters Is A Headcase
June 12th, 2012
9:29 pm
Lump in his throat bigger than a grapefruit.
Slide J-Hey
June 12th, 2012
9:29 pm
Bet he walks him in..where the hell is Kimbrel.
Disgusted
June 12th, 2012
9:30 pm
Why blame Mc Dowell, when your supposed star set up man cannot do the job anymore.
Ship Heyward to AAA (Rob from SC)
June 12th, 2012
9:30 pm
This is the perfect time for a 5 out save
bravesgrl4life
June 12th, 2012
9:30 pm
6 months off is plenty of time to recover, Ship.
Joe 12-Pack
June 12th, 2012
9:30 pm
Another brain-fart from Fredi.
Ship Heyward to AAA (Rob from SC)
June 12th, 2012
9:30 pm
WOW
FIRE GONZALEZ
Trey
June 12th, 2012
9:30 pm
Of course. I hate Venters.
Mixxo
June 12th, 2012
9:30 pm
Oh Boy!!!!!!!
ncbravesfan90
June 12th, 2012
9:30 pm
Tip our cap to ARod?
Venters Is A Headcase
June 12th, 2012
9:30 pm
Way to go Fredi. You’re a rocket scientist!
MIBravesFan
June 12th, 2012
9:30 pm
Jonny . . . . .
kevkat
June 12th, 2012
9:31 pm
I feel so sorry for Minor
brian
June 12th, 2012
9:31 pm
Are you freakin’ kidding me???
McFann :Ô: :Ô: :ô:
June 12th, 2012
9:31 pm
POOR MIKE MINOR!!!
bravesgrl4life
June 12th, 2012
9:31 pm
WTF???? YOU JUST F’D MIKE MINOR, YOU F’IN POS!
Jake W.
June 12th, 2012
9:31 pm
Kinda wish he’d taken the Glavine approach but oh well.
phil
June 12th, 2012
9:31 pm
I was just typing walk the guy…..
Oops! Oh well….
Cap: Where's My Tip
June 12th, 2012
9:31 pm
brand new ballgame now and the Yanks have their 2nd wind
Doofus(Goober and Gomer's Smart Brother)
June 12th, 2012
9:31 pm
Who amongst us did not see that coming a mile away? FG is golden when it comes to pitching changes!
gcs
June 12th, 2012
9:31 pm
Fredi Gonzalez, you are an idiot.
BFChris27
June 12th, 2012
9:31 pm
I would have left Minor in.
The A Bomb
June 12th, 2012
9:31 pm
Fredi.
LAG
June 12th, 2012
9:31 pm
That sends Minor’s great effort right down the toilet. Ugh.
Andrelton Simmons
June 12th, 2012
9:31 pm
Johnny Venters sucks this year
ChattTownBrian (CTB)
June 12th, 2012
9:31 pm
Fredi strikes again. No excuse for this
CaptMudd
June 12th, 2012
9:31 pm
Fredi get off ur @ss….get this clown out of there–grand fan lovin salami—on you Fredi!!!
TNScott
June 12th, 2012
9:31 pm
You can beat Venters on most nights by making throw a first pitch called strike. He has not been able to throw more than a one called strike an inning on most nights. I think the league has figured this out. Here’s another one on Fredi. You don’t bring in Kimbrel. Brilliant!!!
Mixxo
June 12th, 2012
9:31 pm
New York Yankee baseball folks.
Kat
June 12th, 2012
9:31 pm
cab – 2 games
Brava
June 12th, 2012
9:31 pm
Fredi, hope you learned another lesson tonight.
smallmouth6
June 12th, 2012
9:31 pm
Next time you are up 4-0 with a 7 game winning streak on the line, bring your best. Losing breeds losing.
PiersonBrave
June 12th, 2012
9:31 pm
Nice swing right there.
njbraves
June 12th, 2012
9:31 pm
What a frigging joke. How do you leave this piece of crap in to face A Rod??
VaBravesFan
June 12th, 2012
9:31 pm
Talk about complete garbage. Way to ruin Minor’s good game. ESPN is gonna have a field day with this. LOL Such a joke.
thegreatsowhat
June 12th, 2012
9:31 pm
and he LEAVES him in of course
McSopheee
June 12th, 2012
9:31 pm
Holy bananas.
Slide J-Hey
June 12th, 2012
9:31 pm
If I was Minor I’d beat His a@@. Fire McDowell and Fredi.
Jay Dubu
June 12th, 2012
9:31 pm
“An A-Bomb from A-Rod, and the Yankees have come all the way back to tie the ballgame.” John Strealing on the radio.
One Big Dummy
June 12th, 2012
9:32 pm
Yeah, leave him in there like Livan, Fredi!
Leigh
June 12th, 2012
9:32 pm
If Venters truly isn’t injured than I think he needs to practice in AAA until he can regain his form.
kevkat
June 12th, 2012
9:32 pm
Damn..is Livan pitching
Scuba Steve
June 12th, 2012
9:32 pm
Venters effin sucks!
nolie
June 12th, 2012
9:32 pm
sunnavabtch
Disgusted
June 12th, 2012
9:32 pm
I want Venterbumb out of here he is the sorst relief pitcher in the game.
Shame for Mike Minor who was brilliant and this POS relief pitcher mucks it up for him.
I despise Venters, he sucks he is the worst. Do not blame Mc Dowell or Fredi, blame Johnny Venters. I HATE the BUMB.l HATE HIM HATE HIM.
Braves fans better BOO him when he is pulled.
Kat
June 12th, 2012
9:32 pm
And it’s much worse since I had to watch and hear that grand slam on the Yes Network. Heart is broke.
The A Bomb
June 12th, 2012
9:32 pm
And Gonzalez just shoved it right up Minor’s rear end.
Jake W.
June 12th, 2012
9:32 pm
Seriously, did I miss something on EOF?
Rilo
June 12th, 2012
9:32 pm
Wow……What a horrible Horrible Disaster this has become.
David O'Brien
June 12th, 2012
9:32 pm
A-Rod’s 23rd grand slam ties Lou Gehrig for most all-time
DZ
June 12th, 2012
9:32 pm
FREDI, TAKE HIM OUT!
George Stein
June 12th, 2012
9:32 pm
We can’t use Kimbrell before the 9th, right?
brian
June 12th, 2012
9:32 pm
It was the walk to tex that hurt. Seeing eye single no problem
ncbravesfan90
June 12th, 2012
9:32 pm
Fredi has to realize the save situation is not always in the 9th inning. No use taking him out now.
Andrelton Simmons
June 12th, 2012
9:32 pm
I’m amazed HE’S STILL IN THE GOD DAMN GAME
Efrim
June 12th, 2012
9:32 pm
Yikes. That was rough, A-Rod can still swing it.
Trey
June 12th, 2012
9:32 pm
Venters is a piece of sh*t, for sure.
Venters Is A Headcase
June 12th, 2012
9:32 pm
Dale Murphy hit the nail on the head. Venters was forced to try and throw four fastballs in a row by ARod.
Jerry
June 12th, 2012
9:32 pm
I can honestly say that this is the first game of this season that has me completely upset. Not because Venters caused this, but because Fredi allowed all this to happen. Feel bad for Minor.
TuffShhhtuff
June 12th, 2012
9:32 pm
BFChris27, you do not realize the managerial material you are dealing with.
VaBravesFan
June 12th, 2012
9:32 pm
Still a tie ballgame, so he leaves Venters in to make sure we are losing before we get out of the inning.
BFChris27
June 12th, 2012
9:32 pm
Now he takes him out?
Najeh Davenpoop
June 12th, 2012
9:33 pm
Well who didn’t see that coming.
Tomahawk Mafia
June 12th, 2012
9:33 pm
This team is terrible. Worst case scenario realized
nolie
June 12th, 2012
9:33 pm
he deserves to be booed…..
Disgusted
June 12th, 2012
9:33 pm
Venters deserves all the Boos he is getting.
ChattTownBrian (CTB)
June 12th, 2012
9:33 pm
Worst manager in baseball. Not surprised. Fredi will sink this team come hell or high water.he’s determined.
Poor Minor.
njbraves
June 12th, 2012
9:33 pm
Worst manager in the game.
FSUBrave
June 12th, 2012
9:33 pm
freddie g strikes again…he’s not a pimple on bobby’s arse
ncbravesfan90
June 12th, 2012
9:34 pm
“he deserves to be booed…..”
Fredi or Venters? I’m thinking both
Andrelton Simmons
June 12th, 2012
9:34 pm
After my reliever faces 3 guys in a tight game and in a tight situation like that and doesn’t get a SINGLE OUT IT’S TIME TO PULL HIM FREDI YOU FAT PICE OF SIHT!!!!
TuffShhhtuff
June 12th, 2012
9:34 pm
“Jerry”, where the crap have you been? “First game that has you upset?” Where were you this past weekend with the Livan debacle? Were you in outerspace or what?
Jay Dubu
June 12th, 2012
9:34 pm
Single, walk, grand slam, single!!!
Fredi, you can’t let Venters blow the game, after Minor pitched as well as he did!!!
I feel bad for Minor. Venters has to go into the dugout and face Minor after blowing a sure win for him!
brian
June 12th, 2012
9:34 pm
Awful performance by venters. We cannot have these meltdowns. Rob’s question above underscores the need to have Medlen in the bullpen or acquire a significant right handed relief pitcher if Medlen does join the rotation
Rilo
June 12th, 2012
9:34 pm
prety soon our whole pitching staff will be in the minors because of mental issues. Sure wish we could send Fredi G down there. What a disaster!!!!!!!!!!!111
Matt
June 12th, 2012
9:34 pm
Venters needs to be sent down NOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
McDS1nnnn
June 12th, 2012
9:34 pm
How soon we forget. Last night, a perfect inning from Jonny. 12 pitches, 8 for stikes. 2 K’s in the perfect 9th inning.
Just sayin.
LakeDawg
June 12th, 2012
9:34 pm
My God, the Braves suck! LMAO
Bay Area Steve
June 12th, 2012
9:34 pm
“for reasons I do not understand…”
Then you’re not nearly as smart as I thought you were.
Hint: Reading comprehension. Hint: 51 years. Hint: smug. Hint: Mockery.
Any help?
the truth...
June 12th, 2012
9:34 pm
FREDI IS AN IDIOT!
Disgusted
June 12th, 2012
9:34 pm
Sadly the Braves cannot get anythiing for Venters if they tried to trade him, he is worthless now. Just like Jurjjens.
Brava
June 12th, 2012
9:34 pm
I have nothing against Heyward, but, as Wayne says, I don’t think he’s all that. To me he’s very overhyped and mediocre. He’s serviceable, so unless the Braves can improve in RF, I have no problem with him.
kevkat
June 12th, 2012
9:34 pm
George Stein
June 12th, 2012
9:32 pm
We can’t use Kimbrell before the 9th, right?
Believe it or not the Braves announcers actually suggested FG do that before that disaster.
addy
June 12th, 2012
9:34 pm
FIRE FRUTI NOW !!!!
jeezlouise
June 12th, 2012
9:34 pm
FIRE FREDI.
matt c
June 12th, 2012
9:35 pm
We need to boo fredi gonzalez, hes a terrible manager!
Joe 12-Pack
June 12th, 2012
9:35 pm
Why did he not bring in Kimbrell?
He has not pitched since Saturday!
I am sure he could handle 1.2 innings of relief.
Fols
June 12th, 2012
9:35 pm
Rule change for one night….give all 4 of those runs to Venters.
Jesus I feel sorry for Minor, the kid did so well tonight and we just had to go to Venters.
erubi
June 12th, 2012
9:35 pm
venters should have been gone after he couldn’t get the first guy out…blame the manager, and the pitching coach…send venters down, bring up medlin NOW!
Tomahawk Mafia
June 12th, 2012
9:35 pm
That was a Kimbrel situation and Fredi Gonzalez’s stupidity struck again. It is going to again when Gearrin allows the Yankees to untie the game. Damn Fredi and his stupidity. Damn Venters and his inability to get outs.
brian
June 12th, 2012
9:35 pm
Props to minor for a huge start tonight. Dominating a hot Yankees team is impressive
addy
June 12th, 2012
9:35 pm
frediIdiot.com
Kat
June 12th, 2012
9:35 pm
That took about 5 secs for a bunch of texts from my co-workers. Ugh….
One Big Dummy
June 12th, 2012
9:35 pm
They just asked where O’Flaherty is on Braves radio.
The A Bomb
June 12th, 2012
9:35 pm
Fredi just plants negativity with all his mechanical moves.
Scrappy
June 12th, 2012
9:35 pm
Jonny Venters: What a pathetic waste of talent. There’s a special place in Minor League Hell awaitin’ you, boy.
LAG
June 12th, 2012
9:35 pm
Jake W. – Seriously, did I miss something on EOF?
When you find out, let me know too.
cb795
June 12th, 2012
9:35 pm
Fredi strikes again!!!!!!!
Tom
June 12th, 2012
9:35 pm
Where the hell is EOF?
TNScott
June 12th, 2012
9:35 pm
It’s funny that the New York Yankees have used Rivera in the 8th, but we can’t use Kimbrel.
Trey
June 12th, 2012
9:35 pm
Well, how do you like that. Poor Minor.
Mixxo
June 12th, 2012
9:35 pm
The Yankees
VaBravesFan
June 12th, 2012
9:36 pm
That is how relievers are. Up and down every year.
tristan
June 12th, 2012
9:36 pm
Blah blah blah. Keep complaining about Venters. How many runners has the offense stranded?
McSopheee
June 12th, 2012
9:36 pm
Me angry.
BFChris27
June 12th, 2012
9:36 pm
That is why I am not impressed with Gearrin.
Ric Flair to Right
June 12th, 2012
9:36 pm
Pathetic baseball team!!!
ncbravesfan90
June 12th, 2012
9:36 pm
And he brings in a guy who hasn’t been able to get a lefty out in the majors yet??? Whats going on?
Jake W.
June 12th, 2012
9:36 pm
Minor’s effort isn’t wasted. If he succeeds in the rotation we get a better arm back in the pen. Like I said when everyone was calling for Meds in the rotation, we need him more in the pen.
Andrelton Simmons
June 12th, 2012
9:36 pm
Fredi would watch us lose 130 times in the row with a lead in the 8th before he used Kimbrel in the 8th in a tight situation like that. He is by far the worst manager in the game. He gets the least out of his talent of any manager in baseball outside of Bobby V in Boston.
Brava
June 12th, 2012
9:36 pm
Oh well.
DZ
June 12th, 2012
9:36 pm
Meanwhile, Kimbrell sits in the bullpen.
addy
June 12th, 2012
9:36 pm
FireFredi.com
ray k.
June 12th, 2012
9:36 pm
Schooled.
F-ING embarrassing.
McFann :Ô: :Ô: :ô:
June 12th, 2012
9:36 pm
Minor, you are REALLY making me sad, buddy…
I hate the Yankees. I really do…
Oh crap, there was somebody one base, wasn’t there?
Andrelton Simmons
June 12th, 2012
9:36 pm
Ball GAME!!!!!!!!
phil
June 12th, 2012
9:36 pm
The Braves lay down and die against the great ones…..long history of it now.
Joining the Hawks and Falcons….
Booger Burnette's Left Earlobe
June 12th, 2012
9:36 pm
So there is the guy who had the bases full and LUCKED UP yesterday twice with DP’s.
Guerrin is a AAA pitcher, that’s all.
Najeh Davenpoop
June 12th, 2012
9:36 pm
Well who didn’t see that coming… again.
Yankees = real championship talent
Braves = a bunch of nice guys like every other Atlanta sports team
Sucks, but it is true.
The A Bomb
June 12th, 2012
9:37 pm
What the hell happened to the concept of a 5-out, or 2-inning save?
Frumpy
June 12th, 2012
9:37 pm
Hindsight i know, but why take minor out after jeter’s single? if another guy gets on base then take him out but back your man in who has dominated. Then he leaves venters in there to face 4 batters and he got none out? Crazy. Now he brings in Gearrin who last night was lucky to get out of 2 innings with DP’s. Just stupid management. Really feel for minor doesnt deserve this
D.A. Nuggla
June 12th, 2012
9:37 pm
I don’t usually repeat myself, BUT I DID SAY EARLIER THAT 3 RUNS WOULD NOT WIN THIS GAME! Especially if you have a robot for a manager who has been misprogrammed!
Rilo
June 12th, 2012
9:37 pm
wow…Just wow. This team is just bad. I fully expect a full collapse now.
kevkat
June 12th, 2012
9:37 pm
McDS1nnnn
June 12th, 2012
9:34 pm
How soon we forget. Last night, a perfect inning from Jonny. 12 pitches, 8 for stikes. 2 K’s in the perfect 9th inning.
Just sayin.
Hmmmm..were we winning?
Scuba Steve
June 12th, 2012
9:37 pm
Our bullpen suck ish! Blew this game real quick like.
gcs
June 12th, 2012
9:37 pm
Hmm. I wonder what’s on HBO…
Jake W.
June 12th, 2012
9:37 pm
I guess Gearrin isn’t the answer.
ChattTownBrian (CTB)
June 12th, 2012
9:37 pm
Great job pen. Even better job by that retard manager. Fire the son of a bitch asap.
George Stein
June 12th, 2012
9:37 pm
Did they, kevkat? I have it on mute. I’d be shocked if Chip and Joe thought that far outside the box.
Ric Flair to Right
June 12th, 2012
9:37 pm
Jake W are you kidding me..what has medlen done to prove he is ready to be a 7th or 8th inning guy?
ncbravesfan90
June 12th, 2012
9:37 pm
We saved Kimbrel, now he won’t even be needed! This has gotten so bad that cabravesfan can’t even justify it.
Tomahawk Mafia
June 12th, 2012
9:37 pm
Yep. I told you bringing in Gearrin would be a terrible mistake.
Jerry
June 12th, 2012
9:37 pm
Everybody who wanted Gearen up here? That is what you asked for. Choke on it.
phil
June 12th, 2012
9:37 pm
I could’ve hit that StuckinGearrin pitch….
Good grief.
McFann :Ô: :Ô: :ô:
June 12th, 2012
9:37 pm
THAT WAS NICK SWISHER??? OH MY GOSH! I CAN’T STAND HIM!!! GO AWAY!!!…
Furman Bitcher
June 12th, 2012
9:37 pm
bad managing
Mister Frisky
June 12th, 2012
9:37 pm
Yankees bending us over again.BOHICA TIME !
bp
June 12th, 2012
9:37 pm
here comes another losing streak
Cap: Where's My Tip
June 12th, 2012
9:37 pm
it’s (still) official, the Yanks got some really good hitters and they will make you pay for every single mistake
LAG
June 12th, 2012
9:37 pm
Venters and Gearrin are gonna need police escorts out of the clubhouse tonight.
Not to protect them from the fans… but from Mike Minor.
Disgusted
June 12th, 2012
9:37 pm
Every time this team is in a tight big moment, they find a way to choke up.
Please Braves, move this pathetic franchise elsewhere to Vegas, Oklahoma City or wherever. Go to Winnipeg, just get outta town we do not need your embarrassment of a pathetic excuse of a MLB team.
We do not need you guys anymore, you guys have put us through too much aggravation.
Tommorrow is sweep time. This season is over.
Efrim
June 12th, 2012
9:37 pm
I don’t really blame Fredi for this. Venters imploded.
Nerdville
June 12th, 2012
9:37 pm
Man the Braves bullpen is really lousy; even worse than I thought.
erubi
June 12th, 2012
9:37 pm
Sad to watch Mike Minor….so sorry for the kid. Is Perez in charge of the bullpen? Maybe time for him to go too!
kevkat
June 12th, 2012
9:38 pm
It’s almost laughable….Geez
hahahahahahah
June 12th, 2012
9:38 pm
phil – please don’t insult the falcons and hawks like that. the braves have been the most pathetic team in town for sometime now.
GO YANKEES!!
Tom
June 12th, 2012
9:38 pm
For the love of god call up.v buddy Carlyle
N8
June 12th, 2012
9:38 pm
Send Venters down or DL him. Fire Fredi Gonzalez.
Until those two things BOTH happen. Not watching another inning.
Mike Minor just got royally screwed.
Embarrassing.
brian
June 12th, 2012
9:38 pm
Braves were looking great getting a great start from their young pitcher against cc sabathia. Then this………. Speaking of taking the wind out of the sails
stizz
June 12th, 2012
9:38 pm
Yes Fredi, bring in the guy who gave up a ton of baserunners last night.
Its OK guys. This loss doesn’t mean anything. We’re not in September yet.
Turtsnap
June 12th, 2012
9:38 pm
The Braves are too streaky to be taken seriously
JNick
June 12th, 2012
9:38 pm
Fredi the statistician didn’t read up on A-Rod and the fact that over the last 3+ years, the guy has hit over .370 w/ the bases loaded….
nolie
June 12th, 2012
9:38 pm
all my fault. as soon as I popped back in they started falling apart.
Tomahawk Mafia
June 12th, 2012
9:38 pm
all this while Kimbrel sits in the bullpen unused.
vabravesfan (Fire Fredo)
June 12th, 2012
9:38 pm
Fredo Corleone sleeps with the fishes tonight. Fire his fat sorry ass.
VaBravesFan
June 12th, 2012
9:38 pm
We just can’t hang with the big boys. Come into our house and come back for a win down by 4 runs. I can’t watch anymore of this. Now we already know ESPN is gonna go nuts over this. LOL We actually thought we had the best bullpen… Far far from it.
Jake W.
June 12th, 2012
9:38 pm
Meds and Moylan needed …..yesterday. We need some help in the pen. Need to pick up somebody before the deadline.
ray k.
June 12th, 2012
9:38 pm
Venters has turned into utter garbage.
One Big Dummy
June 12th, 2012
9:38 pm
And the funny part is that somebody once told Fredi Gonzalez he knows enough about baseball to be a MLB manager! LOL
Fols
June 12th, 2012
9:38 pm
Wow…just speechless…how this team can look so good for 4-5 innings every game then open a bloody gate is beyond me.
I don’t care about last years stats…this bullpen outside of Kimbrel is nearly useless.
Big Yank
June 12th, 2012
9:38 pm
Yankees have a way of exposing a phony. On their way to 13-2 at Turner Field. Amazing team, just amazing.
Roja
June 12th, 2012
9:38 pm
Looks like Livan has been coaching Venters and Gearrin again!!
Jay Dubu
June 12th, 2012
9:38 pm
Fredi has to let Kimbrel get 5 out in this type of game. No one else in the bullpen that Fredi can go to.
Where’s O’Flat? Is he hurt? Hernandez, and Martin are not trusted by Fredi anymore.
njbraves
June 12th, 2012
9:38 pm
Fire the fat idiot manager.
BFChris27
June 12th, 2012
9:38 pm
Take Gearrin out now.
prattvillenolzfan
June 12th, 2012
9:38 pm
As Gearin is throwing the pitch to Swisher, radio announcers questions why EOH is not in the game…Sutton says he has NO IDEA>…….
Not a #4 hitter
June 12th, 2012
9:38 pm
DOB,
WHEN IS SOMEONE IN THE ATLANTA MEDIA GOING TO CALL OUT FREDI GONZALEZ FOR MAKING IDIOTIC MOVES? Venters has struggled all year, yet Fredi continues to use him in high pressure situations. Fredi should be slammed by the media after this game is over.
JP
June 12th, 2012
9:38 pm
Wow. Fredi Gonzalez makes all the wrong calls. Spineless team.
Andrelton Simmons
June 12th, 2012
9:39 pm
Took Minor out on a bullsh 100 pitch count even though he was completely cruising. Fredi G is THE WORST MANAGER IN THE MLB!!!! FIRE HIM HE IS WORTHLESS!!!!!! Is EOF hurt????? You put in a kid you just called up from Gwinnett to face the Yankees in a 4-4 game in the 8th??? You are the fattest idiot and the biggest joke of a MLB manager. You don’t deserve this job whatsoever you had the biggest choke job EVER last year with the best team the Braves have had since the Madduz, Glavine, Smoltz days yet you still get to play the manager because Bobby liked….
PinoyBravo
June 12th, 2012
9:39 pm
That’s just F-ed up.
McDS1nnnn
June 12th, 2012
9:39 pm
Fredi made the right move taking Minor out and bringing in Venters. He shoulda pulled Jonny after the 2nd batter was walked. And why the heck do you put in Gearrin to pitch to a lefty when you have O’Flaherty available?
One good move, followed by a late/non move and a bad move.
Fredi is not the sharpest pencil in the drawer.
Tom
June 12th, 2012
9:39 pm
Buddy Carlyle !!!!!!!!
JasonInFL
June 12th, 2012
9:39 pm
Venters stuff and location just isn’t the same. The guy has also lost velocity. It isn’t sinking anymore and it isn’t moving as fast. Really too bad. This is a game that we should have won. Man, I hate A-Roid.
Bay Area Steve
June 12th, 2012
9:39 pm
I thought Brava was way hard on Heyward, last year. She and I got into it.
This year, she’s said nothing, and has celebrated his victories.
Efrim, Wayne, she don’t care about potential. She wants to see it. At some point, we all want to see it.
D.A. Nuggla
June 12th, 2012
9:39 pm
DZ, you should know by now that Kimbrel is only allowed 12 pitches maximum. That old arm can’t handle it. Things are different now than they were in the 60s and 70s.
No Flag Since Lemke
June 12th, 2012
9:39 pm
Very reminiscent of Bobby Cox’ post season late inning management. Fredi is channeling his mentor.
bravesgrl4life
June 12th, 2012
9:39 pm
I. NEVER. WANT. TO. SEE. VENTERS. PITCH. AGAIN.
STARTING TO FEEL THAT WAY ABOUT CG, TOO.
Tom
June 12th, 2012
9:39 pm
Buddy Carlyle!!!!!
Disgusted
June 12th, 2012
9:39 pm
Gearren is no good either, he is another POS pitcher on a complete POS baseball organization.
Maybe the Braves should be a 100 loss team for ten yrs in a row its the only way we can stop going to the games and run this team out of town like the Thrashers.
I do not want this team in ATL anymore.
cabravesfan
June 12th, 2012
9:39 pm
I don’t feel the need to justify anything. It’s baseball. You don’t win every game. Nobody is perfect all the time.
Kat
June 12th, 2012
9:39 pm
Najeh the Yankees got as far as the Braves did last year and the Braves spent a lot less doing it.
Fols
June 12th, 2012
9:39 pm
So we plunk a batter to send a message? What’s the message exactly…
ncbravesfan90
June 12th, 2012
9:39 pm
Who in the world was even wanting this guy up to pitch anyway? Just goes to show you that AAA numbers don’t mean squat.
Jay Dubu
June 12th, 2012
9:39 pm
This game reminds me of 1996.
Frumpy
June 12th, 2012
9:39 pm
And it really pisses me off the yankees can score so easily. Their starting pitchers are always average yet have great win/loss records because they score so many runs.
And i repeat, he brings in Gearrin who has been lit up like a torch and was lucky last night to get out through 2 dp’s
Loss on Venters and Fredi
DonSuttonhasAids
June 12th, 2012
9:39 pm
Grandma Giffin just gave Don Sutton aids.
Mister Frisky
June 12th, 2012
9:39 pm
No heart,what else do you expect from a team led by a AARP member and the fat guy from the hangover.
Tomahawk Mafia
June 12th, 2012
9:40 pm
For the second time in three days the Braves blow a 4-run lead by allowing 6 runs in one inning.
The A Bomb
June 12th, 2012
9:40 pm
It’s time for a managerial change. No emotion involved. Time for a change. Now.
Jason Heyward stands too close to the plate
June 12th, 2012
9:40 pm
The first bad decision was pulling Minor with one out and only one baserunner on a weak single.
Slide J-Hey
June 12th, 2012
9:40 pm
The marlins fired two managers and we hire the dead one and NYY hire the live one…Its smelling in the dugout.Wren needs to clean the crap out before it affects all the players.
Jake W.
June 12th, 2012
9:40 pm
are you kidding me..what has medlen done to prove he is ready to be a 7th or 8th inning guy?
He’s done better work in the pen than he has in the rotation.
addy
June 12th, 2012
9:40 pm
WONDER WHEN DOB WILL ASK SOME TOUGH QUESTIONS OF FRUTI
the truth...
June 12th, 2012
9:40 pm
Joe and Dale both said this inning IS your ninth innning……….so why wasn’t Kimbrel up alongside Venter’s getting warmed up……….
Sunday Fredi jerks Teheran and puts in the oaf Livan who threw batting practice for Toronto and told Teheran that the game wasn’t important……….
Fredi ….. you are pathetic….
N8
June 12th, 2012
9:40 pm
Seriously. Not watching another inning of another Braves game until Fredi Gonzalez is fired. Period.
Have fun watching that POS of a manager ruin what could have been a good season.
I’m out. ABSOLUTELY a disgrace to the tomahawk is what he is.
Mixxo
June 12th, 2012
9:40 pm
Najeh Davenpoop@9:36
Thanks. Been saying that same thing for years now.
Sick of it.
Disgusted
June 12th, 2012
9:40 pm
Face it, we do not have major league baseball in this city anymore.
ChattTownBrian (CTB)
June 12th, 2012
9:40 pm
But we’re not supposed to type a negative word according to some here. Not that this team we spend so much energy on continues to drive a knife through our hearts.
Efrim
June 12th, 2012
9:40 pm
Maybe Venters goes down to Triple-A and Medlen comes up. Not sure who would start, but Jonny is a strugglin.
ncbravesfan90
June 12th, 2012
9:40 pm
“I don’t feel the need to justify anything. It’s baseball. You don’t win every game. Nobody is perfect all the time.”
I’d be satisfied with Fredi being right, just half the time, heck even a 1/4th of it. I reckon i just got spoiled under Bobby.
wetzoodirt
June 12th, 2012
9:40 pm
Lol what ajc writer always saying the braves are the best team in georgia and will when a championship first
njbraves
June 12th, 2012
9:40 pm
This team gets exactly what they deserve…loser organization from top to bottom.
danthebravesfan
June 12th, 2012
9:40 pm
Why pull Mike Minor just because he gives up one hit with one out in the 8th?? He got 22 outs on only 4 hits. Guess giving up a hit in the 8th with a 4 run lead is enough to cause a panic attack and the need for a pitching change.
I guarantee if Fredi had left Minor in, we would be hitting right now and still winning 4-0.
Pathetic Fredi……pathetic.
Roja
June 12th, 2012
9:40 pm
Hey Big Yank, yank this!!!
You do know that you can’t BUY a world championship, don’t you??
Jay Dubu
June 12th, 2012
9:40 pm
Should plunk Swisher. With his showboating!
Tom
June 12th, 2012
9:40 pm
Buddy Carlyle for livan,.. For venters…for cg? Somebody please
Pops
June 12th, 2012
9:40 pm
Fredi is horrible. WHy not use Kimbrel against A Rod. Of course the idiot only has martinez and Gearrin warming up, thereby losing the opportunity to let Kimbrel try and get a 2 inning save.
He is so by the book that it is laughable. I hate rooting against my teams to see a coach/manager fired, but he is inexcusably bad at managing a game.
Jason Heyward stands too close to the plate
June 12th, 2012
9:40 pm
And a 4 run lead
JasonInFL
June 12th, 2012
9:40 pm
Son of a !!!!
nolie
June 12th, 2012
9:40 pm
man even I am pizzed off tonight
kevkat
June 12th, 2012
9:40 pm
Is he really considered a ground ball pitcher?
jt
June 12th, 2012
9:41 pm
Freddie Gonz. is the dumbest Son of A B@TCH I have ever seen as a manager. Please get rid of this asss Hole.
Trey
June 12th, 2012
9:41 pm
Our pitching has been up and down all year.
TuffShhhtuff
June 12th, 2012
9:41 pm
JasonInFL, why do you hate “A’Rod”? He’s just doing what he is paid to do. Your “hate” or disgust is misdirected. It’s sitting in the Atlanta dugout.
Roja
June 12th, 2012
9:41 pm
I think that’s “nj smartass”
kwajbraves
June 12th, 2012
9:41 pm
second game that we waste a 4th run lead
Nerdville
June 12th, 2012
9:41 pm
What was the Braves manager doing? Just sitting there watching Venters keep walking guys and load the bases with Yankees.
tommykk
June 12th, 2012
9:41 pm
This is nothing new. We have always been the Yankee’s b$tch.Just have to accept it..can’t get upset about it
Disgusted
June 12th, 2012
9:41 pm
I am rooting for the Yankees to sweep, why be bothered with the aggravation of being a Braves fan.
I am a baseball fan, that is all, do not care who wins.
Venters is a Headcase
June 12th, 2012
9:41 pm
“I don’t really blame Fredi for this. Venters imploded”
Venters has been imploding all season. Maybe Fredi and Wren need to figure out that Venters needs to figure it out somewhere else besides on a big league ball field where your team can lose due to your ineffectiveness.
wadafuc
June 12th, 2012
9:41 pm
Are you kidding me! What the is wrong with Venters? Why put in this AAA pitcher in when the game is on the line? Put in Kembrel! You need a win you idiot FG, put your best late inning pitcher in! What a JOKE! I love the Braves but I hate their manager!
Tom
June 12th, 2012
9:41 pm
Terry P should be managing!
VaBravesFan
June 12th, 2012
9:42 pm
Yankees come to town and just punch us in the mouth. Can’t even hold a 4 run lead.
Darryl Blackberry's
June 12th, 2012
9:42 pm
Way too much self-congratulation in that Yankee dugout. Wouldn’t mind seeing Swisher get plunked in the backside later.
Jay Dubu
June 12th, 2012
9:42 pm
We see that the bullpen has wethered up…let’s se how the hitters respond.
McFann :Ô: :Ô: :ô:
June 12th, 2012
9:42 pm
Defensive indifference…
FSUBrave
June 12th, 2012
9:42 pm
keep the south beatiful, put a yankee on a bus…dang nasty people
David
June 12th, 2012
9:42 pm
Wow, this is so bad in so many ways. We’ll look back to this game when we try and remember when the season tanked. Venters has not been his self all year. Fredi? I just don’t know about Fredi anymore.
Andrelton Simmons
June 12th, 2012
9:42 pm
How anybody can say Fredi G made the right move by taking Minor out is beyond me. It really shows your lack of knowledge when it comes to the game of baseball. Minor was cruising and hadn’t lost any velocity in the 8th. The only reason Fredi G took him out is because he hit a B/S 100 pitch count.
Minor got an out and then gave up ONE SINGLE, ONE SINGLE, and then was pulled. No excuse that was a terrible decision. Fredi G and Fredi G alone just cost the Braves the game. He also cost us the game vs Toronto with that brain dead idiotic decision to pull Livan Hernandez in with runners on even though his ERA is terrible with runners on base almost at 5.00.
Go Go
June 12th, 2012
9:42 pm
Got to go Kimbrel in that situation or just Go Gonazalez…
TBbravesfan.
June 12th, 2012
9:42 pm
do yall see the nats doing stuff like this?
sirluciouscp
June 12th, 2012
9:42 pm
Thank You Don Sutton. finally someone amongst the good ole boys speaks up..I cant believe so called “baseball men” like Scherholz or whatever, watches this shyt every game. And chipper is making how much to play 50 games…LMFAO.
Doofus(Goober and Gomer's Smart Brother)
June 12th, 2012
9:42 pm
Man, if Nolie is “pizzed” somebody is gonna pay dearly!
ChattTownBrian (CTB)
June 12th, 2012
9:42 pm
Does Uggla and Mac feel the need to play buddy buddy with every opposing player? The Nice Team.
addy
June 12th, 2012
9:42 pm
“Atlanta Braves Braves seem unlikely to trade for Dempster or other front-line pitcher”
“DOB to ask Fruti some loliilop questions after the game”
Isn’t that stating the obvious ??
Tomtom
June 12th, 2012
9:42 pm
Where is Erio Oflaherty? Is he hurt?
McFann :Ô: :Ô: :ô:
June 12th, 2012
9:42 pm
Nice going…
Mister Frisky
June 12th, 2012
9:42 pm
He funny cause he fat.
Frumpy
June 12th, 2012
9:43 pm
im in australia and dont know too much about nick swisher, but is he an absolute Wanker or what? Surely he gets plonked next time he is up for the way he carried on??? thoughts?
njbraves
June 12th, 2012
9:43 pm
Gearrin is absolutely terrible.
Jay Dubu
June 12th, 2012
9:43 pm
Where is O’Flaherty?!!!!!
LOL
June 12th, 2012
9:43 pm
Is Grandma Giffin a transvestite?
Kat
June 12th, 2012
9:43 pm
Mixxo so where did the Yankees end up last year in the standings?
sirluciouscp
June 12th, 2012
9:43 pm
The Nats have a competent manager..
phil
June 12th, 2012
9:43 pm
At least Venters was keeping the ball down…well, mostly!
And at least Venters was great last year….
Right? Don’t these things make this no big deal?
No? Ok.
One Big Dummy
June 12th, 2012
9:43 pm
And now Jim Powell is LYING by saying the fans weren’t booing Venters! LOL
nolie
June 12th, 2012
9:43 pm
anybody counting on Gearrin coming