2:37 pm June 12, 2012, by David O'Brien
June 13th, 201212:09 pm
I’ve met that lady, George.
Look, I know after a loss the Braves are the worst team in organized sports. I get that. But my gosh…the Braves lose 2 in a row and suddenly the earth is about to explode. Get a grip, people. And don’t let a baseball game control your lives.
Amen on that, DOB.
June 13th, 201212:10 pm
What’s up Braves fans? I see you guys are getting the same taste of the Yankees my boys got last weekend. I saw Swisher did a litlle airplane thing or something rounding first after his homer last night. I haven’t read anything on here but was that an issue? I know they hit Andruw right after that. Swisher acted like a fool in the Mets series too. I’m sick of that guy riding the Yankee’s stars coat tails and acting like he’s right there with those HOF’ers. And then he excuses everything with his I’m just a cool dude everyman riding the wave act. Anyway, I guess my general dislike for that poser is showing.
June 13th, 201212:12 pm
What is Venters’ actual issue? Is it lack of movement or just not being able to hit his locations? According to Gameday (which sucks this season) it appears that his velocity is still there…
Hugo Z Hackenbush
Tough to be hard on Swisher when there’s at least a chance that he’ll be patrolling left for the Bravos next year…
June 13th, 201212:14 pm
This Jamie Dimon stuff is hilarious.
June 13th, 201212:16 pm
Dumb Hick? You do realize that I was boirn and raised in Philadelphia and lived In miami, St, Petersburg, Orlando and Atlanta?
But that’s OK – I spent summers in NJ – Wildwood, Ocean City, Atlantic City when I was young and fully realize how handicapped New Jerseyans are. Must have something to do with all those Mafia toxic waste dumps in NJ. It’s eaten away at your brains.
“What is Venters’ actual issue?”
Facing the best homerun hitter of this generation with no where to put him.
June 13th, 201212:17 pm
Frankie Wren….hey A hole….the question is, why was Venters pitching to A Rod?? It was pretty clear after his first two batters that he didn’t have it, so why let him pitch to a guy with over 600 HR’s with the bases loaded??? What about that can your small brain not grasp?
Throwing way too many pitches that never look like a strike when they leave his hand.
June 13th, 201212:18 pm
Oh he had somewhere to put him all right. On first base
June 13th, 201212:19 pm
Went to the Apple store this morning and saw Fredi working at the genius bar. He looked cute with his “in training” name tag.
Lew, I was a little behind your correction…
I do like Boorish Jackarse though…Now a fun game…Who can we apply that too?
June 13th, 201212:20 pm
Lew….great call grandpa. Never mind that those beach towns that you mentioned are no where near me, or that your waste dump and mafia jokes are old and unfunny, other than that you’re dead on. Still having your lunch through a straw pops??
“Facing the best homerun hitter of this generation with no where to put him.”
Hogwash. He walks him it’s 4-1.
June 13th, 201212:21 pm
What a maroon. Sits here with everyone telling him exactly how far up his ass hois head is and he can’t understand why.
Must be because he’s grasping that can too tightly.
The A Bomb
The Los Angeles Kings were 15-14-4 when they fired Terry Murray and replaced him with a tougher, more demanding coach — Darryl Sutter. Whether you like hockey or not you saw the results.
The Kings organization knew they had a much better team than the one that was performing on the ice. Early on they showed flashes of brilliance but they had ZERO consistency. The expected more and they weren’t getting it — thus they jettisoned the coach.
We’re going to find out a ton about the Braves’ expectations in the next week or so. This team has showed flashes of brilliance but they’ve also been the complete opposite. You can’t have a team this MANIC and hope they end on a positive all the way to a title. This team can’t even play .500 ball. It’s 1.000 or .000 and that’s on the coaching staff because they fail too recognize patterns — both in planning and mostly on the fly during games. Yeah, you can blame injuries but sending Medlen down and leaving your hind quarters exposed had nothing to do with injuries.
Gonzalez manages on hope and hypotheticals and it’s clear he OPENLY favors the vets. Good to see Minor make a statement and shove it right up Gonzalez’s rear end last night. Problem is, Gonzalez shoved it right back up Minor’s rear end. That was a HUGE game last night and Kimbrel can’t go out there for a 4-5 out save once in awhile IF the situation calls for it?
How can anyone associated with the Braves enjoy this roller coaster? I feel like I’m watching instructional ball sometimes — why the hell does EVERYONE need to play? Hypothetical coaching is just like gambling — and that’s a losing proposition.
BOTTOM LINE: We need an ass-kicker and see where it goes.
June 13th, 201212:22 pm
Can you actually drink Taco Bell food through a straw? Do you speak from personal experience?
I still don’t see what Fredi did wrong leaving Venters in for this 3rd batter to face AROD.
MANY times it take Venters a couple of hitters to get his command before he pitches better.
And with EOF not available, who do you want to bring in to face AROD with the bases loaded?
June 13th, 201212:23 pm
Well, some here DO need an ass kicking.
June 13th, 201212:26 pm
“We need a (mean guy) and see where it goes.”
njbraves, old jokes about Jersey? Really?
I know Jersey. I have family that fled the place. I’ve on on business there enough to know myself.
Why don’t you go paint a picture of that dump, Newark, the gem of your stellar state. Or maybe its Trenton – that high crime trash heap.
You have a lot trash heaps in Jersey. Which one do you live in? Or are you your very own trash heap?
June 13th, 201212:27 pm
On the flip side of the complaining I did last night about Fredi’s bullpen management, I must say his decision in starting Diaz worked out and was a good one.
June 13th, 201212:28 pm
Jersey the Garden State – ain’t that an oxymoron.
June 13th, 201212:29 pm
What’s the majority opinion on yanking minor? Too early? I was on a plane all night and didn’t see the game.
Jeff R….wow, those were good ones. You must have been working on those for months. Just another idiot to add to the list.
June 13th, 201212:30 pm
For those of you asking why Venters pitched to A-Rod. I’ll give you the short answer. Cano. He’s the most dangerous hitter on that team. He was lurking in the on deck circle. Fredi made the right move based on what he had at his disposal. A-Rod is not as dangerous as Cano these days. The damage was done before A-Rod stepped in the box.
JeffR – Actually the toxic waste grows some pretty big tomatoes.
To be fair, I find the Avalon/Stone Harbor area of New Jersey to be quite lovely…
June 13th, 201212:31 pm
“N8 has sworn that he will not watch another game until Fredi is gone. No way we’ll be able to verify the truth of this, of course…”
Seriously. Not gonna waste my time. I have 3 kids playing on 4 baseball and softball teams. Games and practices most nights. Came home last night in time to watch the 7th and 8th innings. Didn’t watch the 9th inning.
Most nights I either choose to watch the games on the archive of the mlb.tv package or on the DVR if they are on ESPN or MLB network.
Not gonna go out of my way to watch them live and unless something worth fast-forwarding to happens. Not gonna waste my time. Too frustrating and not enjoyable.
I’ll still watch highlights and check the standings. Can’t help it. Plus with two boys ages 12 and 14 that have the mlb network on 24 hours a day, I won’t be able to avoid knowing what’s going on.
But until Fredi is gone. My interest in investing my time into watching this team has faded and won’t likely come back anytime soon.
Here are the things I looked forward to when watching the Braves.
Bourn stealing bases and getting on base (that’s still a viable option).
Chipper’s fairwell tour (lost it’s luster now that he can’t walk or contribute)
Beachy pitching (I might actually watch his starts on dvr if it is noted he pitched a good game)
Kimbrel is still fun to watch.
Venters isn’t the same and is dangerously close to slipping into Mark Wohlers territory (brutal).
Heyward seems to be worth watching (when he’s in the damn lineup).
Freeman’s eyes are robbing us of a good young player to watch
Mac is on the downside. Should trade him while the gettin is good.
But as long as Fredi is in charge, most nights are going to be painful to watch.
So, will I stop “following” the team? Unlikely.
Will I go out of my way to at least fastfoward through the games on dvr?
Unlikely. Not until Fredo is gone.
Damn – and being from Jersey, that list must be freaking huge.
June 13th, 201212:32 pm
For those of you asking why Venters pitched to A-Rod. I’ll give you the short answer. Cano.
Kimbrel would have struck them both out… on just 5 pitches.
He’s that good.
So we just need Huddy to go 8 tonight for Kimbrel? Or go all 9?
“For those of you asking why Venters pitched to A-Rod. I’ll give you the short answer. Cano. He’s the most dangerous hitter on that team. He was lurking in the on deck circle. Fredi made the right move based on what he had at his disposal. A-Rod is not as dangerous as Cano these days. The damage was done before A-Rod stepped in the box.”
Exactly Venters goes out and no lefty to face him as well.
What about Union City? Oh, that’s right. They’re upscaling Union City because people can’t afford to live in Manhattan anymore. So, New Yorkers have taken its garbage dump across the river and are sprucing it up. Bet you were there for the ribbon cutting, huh,njbraves?
June 13th, 201212:33 pm
Morning After” Facts:
1. Cory Gearrin is a high AAA pitcher. He proves time and again he’s not a major leaguer. [Frustrating, but he never stays up long enough to know. Failing is part of learning in MLB]
2. Brian McCann is on the downside of a good career. It’s time to look ahead. YOU KIDDING?
3. Braves roster is clogged with players who could not make any other ML roster. Jack Wilson, Livan Hernandez and Juan Francisco should be replaced immediately with players who might actually improve someday. [Wilson and Hernandez are at the end, no doubt. Francisco, it's too early to throw our money and trade away just yet.]
4. Anyone who’s expecting this team to finish above .500 needs to look closely at the roster, and the rest of the schedule. [I think the team will have a winning record. I think they're capable of making the wild card. It's not automatic, but predicting a losing season is just catastrophizing a couple of bad losses]
5. It’s great that Chipper can contribute a bloop single now and then on his farewell tour, but until Prado is the everyday 3rd baseman, and a decent hitting/fielding left fielder is found, we’re stuck. [I don't mind having Chipper Jones play for us. Geez]
6. Braves pitching is no longer elite. Oft-injured starters can’t go deep in games, and bullpen is Jekyll & Hyde. You never know what you’re getting. [this one is actually on target. Our pitching is "pretty good" and that's about it. It's really a shame to get such a great starting performance and bomb out at the end last night, but fact is our young guy gave us seven innings. If we;'re going to lose, I'd like to see Delgado and Minor pitch their way through a pressure situation a couple times. I'm fine with them carrying that weight. Let's don't give up so quickly. They'll never learn.]
7. Fredi is without question, one of the worst in-game managers in MLB. He’s outfoxed nightly. [extreme. Don''t like some of Fredi's calls, but holy moley, "worst in MLB"? Nightly? Over the top.]
8. The scoreboard operator should go ahead and put 0-2 up everytime Freeman comes to bat. [This is just ranting]
9. Heyward is not a platoon player. Start him every night, or shop him to someone who will. [I agree with this one. Don't take a top weapon out of the lineup]]
10. Any runs that Uggla drives in, are usually erased by the balls that scoot by him into RF. [this is off base. Uggla's doing well and I have no complaints]
And Fredi, Wren & the rest of the “brain trust” should be thankful that the AJC tosses softballs each post-game. The NY/Philly media would be relentless if their management was this inept.
June 13th, 201212:35 pm
A Rod looked pretty dangerous as that rocket he hit was clearing the wall in LF. Venters clearly had nothing last night, leaving him in was the wrong decision.
June 13th, 201212:36 pm
Those toxic tomatoes must be maroon in color
But until Fredi is gone. My interest in investing my time into watching this team has faded and won’t likely come back anytime soon.
We’ll miss you, man. Maybe you can spend that extra time getting Secaucus’ city fathers to bring back the pig farms. It would be quite an upgrade.
NJ, Bada Bing showing games in HD these days?
Maybe you need to go to that Waffle HOuse Restau – rant with the other disaffected idiots?
June 13th, 201212:37 pm
And again, my point — what has happened to the occasional concept of a 4-5 out save?
“Brian McCann is on the downside of a good career. It’s time to look ahead. YOU KIDDING?”
Well the stats slightly reflect it…
Jeff… Keep googling the worst cities in the state and using them….well done.
So now, in the cold light of day, it’s “unlikely”? When do we get to “no better than 50/50″?
June 13th, 201212:38 pm
BF – MIght well be.
Fredi said he was giving Minor a baserunner in the 8th (before taking him out). Why? That was due to be the fourth time through the Yankees’ order (not just any other team’s order). And Minor is a young pitcher and was approaching 100 pitches. He’s not a veteran like Sabathia that the Braves should be trying to stretch to get a complete game. If there is even a chance that you might take him out, why let him pitch until he gets a baserunner? This is the Yankees, not the Pirates.
Top of the order due up for the fourth time in the game with the starter nearing 100 pitches. That was the game there. Why not use Kimbrel there and use Durbin or someone to get three outs with hopefully a 3-run lead in the 9th? Oh, that’s right: THE SAVE RULE! God forbid anyone other than Kimbrel get a save.
Anyone who blames DOB for the way managers use their bullpens is misdirecting their anger. If DOB asks about using someone other than Venters or Fredi using Kimbrel, Fredi is probably going to say something like, “we have to save Kimbrel for a save.” If DOB asks why, Fredi is probably going to say something like, “because he’s our closer.” So why bother?
The issue with bullpen usage is much bigger than one member of the media. It’s going to take lots of convincing before all of baseball wises up. How long did it take for the save rule to become entrenched into the strategy of bullpen decisions? Probably at least 10-15 years. Right now we are just at the tip of the iceberg to reversing that. Only one or two managers, maybe, understand how the save rule can very well hinder a team’s chance to win. It’s going to take several years to undo the save rule’s influence on bullpen decisions.
On a side note, my dislike of Fredi as manager doesn’t mean I support the idiots who rag on DOB for “not asking the tough questions”.
Dude has a job to do and if he makes his job uncomfortable, then we lose this great blog. Which last time I checked allows guys like me to vent when I want and discuss it/argue with others.
Back off of DOB.
If you want “tough” questions asked of Fredi and the media to fuel his departure from the dugout, Schulz and Bradley are the guys to request this of. The columnists are the guys (along with radio hosts) who can fuel the “Fire Fredi” banter.
DOB is the blogmaster and beat writer who isn’t stupid enough to ruin his gig (which he has regardless of who manages or plays). The second he pisses somebody off, his access and information he is able to relay will be cut off.
But keep yelling at him if it makes you feel better.
Me? I’d rather focus my negativity on Fredi. Probably just as much of a waste of time. But for somebody to rag on DOB for this nonsense is well…..nonsense.
A Bomb – The fact that they’re having trouble getting two outs, much less four or five?
June 13th, 201212:39 pm
I don’t think trading for a starter would be the best course of action at the moment. At least not at the cost of trading away our young pitching for a rental.
njbraves, ain’t googling, buddy; been to the “Garden State.” I bear witness to the truth.
Anders, yeah Swisher is a poser. Little turd squirt. Thats ok, hopefully tonight or in one of those games in NY he’ll get a heater in the ribs or something.
June 13th, 201212:42 pm
Ease, damn dude what’s your deal? Smart ass. No reason for that shi* this morning to me. Uncalled for. Jeff R you little pus**. Blog Warriors. Betting both of you are scared shi*less in public. Wouldn’t dare run that mouth to somebody’s face like you do here.
Atlanta attendance up 17.5% this season. Another good call stating Atlanta doesn’t support teams. Pearls continue to drop out from your responses.
June 13th, 201212:43 pm
There would have been nothing wrong with Minor throwing 115 or so pitches, even as many as 120. I don’t believe in the “thou shall not pitch past 100 pitches” philosophy, now if he was tiring… then that’s a whole nother subject.
Oh this blog needs a WIN badly.
DOB: But when he does, gets ripped for it RT @ALeebs18: @ajcbraves In Fredi’s run as manager, what bonafide risks/hunches have you seen him play?
I see this, from Twitter. Why would you want a decision maker in any industry to play risks/hunches? I want any decision maker to go on information, not to play risks/hunches.
DOB: Yep. RT @mtucker927: @ajcbraves but if he kept Minor in & he blew it argument is “Great bullpen & Minor sux! Why didn’t he go to bullpen??
The best argument is to go with Kimbrel with the top of the order due up for the fourth time. If Kimbrel had blown it, you just tip your cap. We need more than just results-based analysis.
Lew — Do you think if he brought in Kimbrel and we still lost he’d be taking the shellacking he’s taking now? Not even close.
“We needed this game and I went with my best guy.”
This is on Gonzalez/Wren/Manno for exposing the Braves for not having ANYONE decent for tough righty-righty matchups late in games.
That decision last night officially made this ANOTHER losing streak. Another one. Could it end tonight? Maybe. But this guy hasn’t learned the concept of what ONE GAME means from last season.
June 13th, 201212:44 pm
The damage was done before A-Rod stepped in the box. -Anders
More truth in that statement than anything else said here today. It’s an unenviable situation. As you said, Cano is more dangerous these days, but with Rodriguez, you’re talking about the most Grand Slams by a player in the history of the game. That has to hold some significance here.
Glavine would have walked him or retired him on a pitch 6 inches off the plate.
June 13th, 201212:45 pm
FW….Atlanta is an awful, joke of a sports town. You know it, I know it, and the rest of the country knows it.
“Atlanta attendance up 17.5% this season.”
It was the reduced prices on snacks that did it!
June 13th, 201212:46 pm
Jeff, you’re a sorry excuse. Running those digits cause it’s the only way you can be a smart ass without losing your two front teeth. Poor little pu*** boy.
ChattTownBrian (CTB), you lovely little troll… you magnificent bad news parasite! You crawl out from under your rock to blast everyone and everything when the Braves stumble and then crawl back under that dark, dank rock when the Braves have an upturn.
You come across as an angry, bitter little bit of anonymity.
Try counseling and meds, man. Might work wonders.
Your idiotic comments make all of us NJ natives look like jerks. Bloggers, please understand that not all of the NJ folks are like him!
Nasty Royal Rumble on here Last Night, I’m still speechless after that 8th inning! I wanted to Kick The TV!
I don’t Get it why Vennie Macc was Booed It wasn’t his fault that Fredi left him out there…
Can someone tell me how fast he was throwing last nightbefore the A-Fraud AB? (I was cooking) because the last 2 pitches to Pay-Rod was at 91-92
He is INJURED!
June 13th, 201212:47 pm
A Rod looked pretty dangerous as that rocket he hit was clearing the wall in LF. Venters clearly had nothing last night, leaving him in was the wrong decision (njbraves)
Did you watch Cano over the weekend against the Mets? He hit some bombs into the upper deck. He’s just hitting his stride now. Venters versus A-Rod and Cano or that rookie versus A-Rod and Cano? That’s a layup for a manager in my book.
I wouldn’t say Venters had nothing. He had a control issue but his stuff was still pretty good. He boxed himself in where he had to throw a strike and he threw too fat of one.
The Yankees roll that lineup around 3 to 4 times a game. They’re gonna get you at least once every night. That’s what $180 mil gives you.
June 13th, 201212:48 pm
June 13th, 2012
“Jeff, you’re a sorry excuse. Running those digits cause it’s the only way you can be a smart ass without losing your two front teeth. Poor little pu*** boy. ”
Damn I see you are still livid from last night as well?
Arkansas Transplant, just as big a deal as pitch count is letting a lineup see a pitcher the fourth time through, especially a lineup like the Yankees. But pitch counts matter as well, particularly for young pitchers. Minor isn’t a veteran. Teams didn’t start paying attention to pitch counts on a whim. There is a reason that pretty much every team in baseball monitors pitch count. Clearly there is evidence that throwing somewhere around 100 pitches, throwing when tired, can be harmful to a young pitcher’s arm. Even if your opinion is that it’s okay for anyone to throw 120 pitches in a game, that’s not at all supported by information that you can easily find online and it’s certainly not supported by the information that teams have.
Your idiotic comments make all of us NJ natives look like jerks. Bloggers, please understand that not all of the NJ folks are like him
SB- probably speak for everyone here who honestly doesn’t stereotype everyone from the Garden State. There are many obtuse fans from the Southeast here, no offense intended.
Brian (CTB) really? You gonna call someone a rat, complain about name calling, then get upset when they talk back top you…How many pairs of underwear do you go through in a day?
June 13th, 201212:49 pm
Uh ohh, CTB is Hulking-out all over the blog now…
You guys just had to go and make him angry, didn’t you?
June 13th, 201212:50 pm
Tough break with the Rangers, was pulling for them.
Sylvester Bill….shut up dude, who’s talking to you??
June 13th, 201212:51 pm
If Vennie Macc is still looking like he did last nite 2 weeks from now it Might be Time to send Vennie Macc to Gwinnett to get him straightened out when Either Moylan or MEDS returns, Vennie Macc is costing us games.
And that “Oh Its only one game Bullcrap” that was rampant on here makes a big difference as we saw last year
Atlanta attendance up 17.5% this season (Frank Wren)
Is this true? Where did you get this data? Is that based on the same time frame from last year or against last years total average?
June 13th, 201212:52 pm
Anders…nobody cares what you think. Your loser team will be in the basement soon enough.
Who the hell is Vennie Macc?
“FW….Atlanta is an awful, joke of a sports town. You know it, I know it, and the rest of the country knows it.”
Bunch of BS. Keep being influenced by Michael Wilbon and others though. Obviously never been down here.
June 13th, 201212:53 pm
Frankie Wren, there are, in fact, very nice parts of Jersey. I just don’t think njbraves lives in any of them.
Not true at all (the nobody cares part, at least).
Anders is a good dude.
Down to the Nats 4 games Now, and SF is making a Bid forone of the Wildcard slots…Its Imperative that we stop losing games we had In The BAG (Sunday and last night) or we will finish 1-2 games short of October
June 13th, 201212:54 pm
attendance up 126,276 over last year after 28 home dates compared to last season.
June 13th, 2012
“Bunch of BS. Keep being influenced by Michael Wilbon and others though. Obviously never been down here.”
As Awful as this town is both Miami and DC are worse
June 13th, 201212:55 pm
Shaun, that’s a lot like say you should park your car 5 miles from your house and jog to and from it each day cause 90 percent of wrecks happen within 5 miles of your home. I did however say, if he was tiring that was a whole other subject but I guess you missed that statement. That aspect I can understand, but when someone has been dealing and shows no visible signs of struggling, then I doubt there’s much risk involve.. no more than starting someone on short rest. Although, Minor was not working on that.
There’s risk in everything you do.
Jeff R- you are correct. Want to go to get the cheapest lap dances though, nj your man, uggh boy.
June 13th, 201212:56 pm
FW…I was down there. Stadium wasnt full, ton of Met fans.
Ease, that offended you? MAYBE I should’ve said a mouse then.
“attendance up 126,276 over last year after 28 home dates compared to last season.”
Thats Hard to believe because so many people buy those stupid 5 and 20 game season ticket plans and try to sell half of them or just do go period
Those attendance numbers are misleading since so many online companies but them and then try to resell them
Statement Game tonight!
June 13th, 201212:57 pm
“As Awful as this town is both Miami and DC are worse”
Put in Tampa, Cincinnati, Phoenix, etc
Yeah, ’cause they live down here.
June 13th, 201212:58 pm
Mouse would have been more appropriate…
May I call you a skunk?
June 13th, 201212:59 pm
and by that, I was referring to short rest.
I’ve really missed out on something I suppose. I do not have any impulse to complain about the game last night. I was absent the last few innings any way, so I didn’t see Venters crumble. But whatever. I did enjoy watching a few episodes of Magnum PI.
What is our record in statement games?
Wow, There are some Hungry SEC Fans on here, as Matt Chernoff Said it best.
Never thought I’d see the Braves Blog Filled with more Fights and Vitirol over a Phillies Forum…People are still Angry about last September, The Fans are still showing it on the blogs and in last nights game…
June 13th, 20121:00 pm
Anders is a cool Mets fan. We go at each other, but the guy ain’t no dummy. He’s smarter then me.
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