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richbrave
June 12th, 2012
10:54 pm
The Truth Hurts
June 12th, 2012
10:46 pm
“….Would any of you like to see Fredi’s birth certificate?…..”
Why, was he born in KENYA? heh!
njbraves
June 12th, 2012
10:54 pm
I know that nolie is a Braves apologist, who is all too happy to accept this teams mediocrity. That’s enough for me.
usnavyvolfaninva
June 12th, 2012
10:54 pm
Nolie,
The funny thing is, when a loss like this happens, I want as much as most on here to bitch about how bad the team’s doing; but then, when I see some of the adolescent s**t plastered on this blog, it really gives me pause. It is a 162-game season after all, and some around here don’t get it.
usnavyvolfaninva
June 12th, 2012
10:55 pm
nj,
he’s a FAN. As in, he loves his team, win or lose.
nolie
June 12th, 2012
10:55 pm
not sure who is actually sticking up for Fredi, some just aren’t driven to rant over and over about him. pretty much everybody thinks he screwed up tonight in one way or the other. claiming that is apologizing for him is pretty infantile
David O'Brien
June 12th, 2012
10:56 pm
O’Flaherty has sore elbow, was unavailable past 2 days and probably another day or two, Fredi revealed after game. I asked him why not O’Flaherty instead of Gearrin and he said O’Flaherty woke with sore elbow Monday.
Frankie Wren
June 12th, 2012
10:56 pm
you tell him Stizz! Take your foam tomahawk and pretend its real and smash your bedroom wall poster of Ryan Klesko if it makes you feel better.
Venters is a Headcase
June 12th, 2012
10:56 pm
There is one positive about the Braves performance in recent years….. while I still get steamed when they blow one like they did tonight, it no longer bothers me to the point where I take it to bed. I’ve come to expect disappointment from the Atlanta Braves. It just doesn’t surprise me anymore when they find a way to turn chicken salad into chicken s@@t.
TheOnlyBravesFan
June 12th, 2012
10:56 pm
Funny, if Everyfewdays Johnny had gotten 2 outs, the blog would be much different tonite.
True, but to be fair to the venting bloggers, he didn’t, and he looked poor doing so.
CaptMudd
June 12th, 2012
10:56 pm
Fredi’s tone in post-game comments was remorseful about the loss. Minor’s comments were, of course, team supportive….said he felt strong/good the inning he was replaced. Said it was one of those nights he ‘had his stuff.’
usnavyvolfaninva
June 12th, 2012
10:56 pm
“Truth”
your 10:53…I don’t get it at all.
Ted
June 12th, 2012
10:56 pm
So Liberty Media is trying to make money? Shocking. But, most companies trying to make money attempt to hire good people and hold them accountable.
nolie
June 12th, 2012
10:57 pm
usnavy,yeah I agree , I’m actually ashamed to bitch after reading the hate filled nonsense here, doesn’t mean I ain’t unhappy
njbraves
June 12th, 2012
10:57 pm
Whatever you say nolie.
The Truth Hurts
June 12th, 2012
10:57 pm
richbrave,
No, an even worse place. Cuba.
TheOnlyBravesFan
June 12th, 2012
10:58 pm
Well, hey, we’re still 6 over, 4 games out in June, and I think 5th best record in the NL… still doing okay. And our top hitters aren’t even “hot” yet.
Powder Blue
June 12th, 2012
10:58 pm
Also, of course the Braves aren’t going to acquire a Dempster or another top-of-the-rotation starter (or any other player of significance). They’re the Braves. They’re cheap.
nolie
June 12th, 2012
10:59 pm
always have said that Meds needs to stay in the pen, still think so
The Truth Hurts
June 12th, 2012
10:59 pm
us navy,
The next time you see “other” people, ask them why don’t they go to braves games.
brian
June 12th, 2012
10:59 pm
This loss hurts. Disappointed that the braves seemed to hang their heads and go out with a whimper. Did not show much fight.
Busch Leaguer
June 12th, 2012
10:59 pm
Truth
Only idiots like you bring race into every situation ,this is a stupid baseball blog . People on here are venting about a terrible Braves loss.No one on the blog expects Fredi to be fired,and about the vitriol on the blog, go back and read some of the comments about Bobby Cox when the Braves got washed out of the playoffs year after year in the 90’s and early 2000’s.A lot of the fans on the blog still can’t get over the Braves collapse last year,and want Fredi or Wren to be held accountable.
TheOnlyBravesFan
June 12th, 2012
10:59 pm
Fredi’s tone in post-game comments was remorseful about the loss.
Venters sounded kinda “sick”/ bad for Minor as well.
usnavyvolfaninva
June 12th, 2012
11:00 pm
“Truth”
It’s going to be a while…. I don’t live anywhere near ATL right now. who’s this “other” you speak of? I don’t speak code well on blogs.
Playoffs!!!
June 12th, 2012
11:00 pm
Worst decision of the night by Fredi: having Gearrin pitch to Swisher with the game on the line. Left-handed hitters eat him up. If no EOF available, and if you don’t want to use Kimbrel in the 8th, then C. Martinez should have been in there.
Also Venters allowed to pitch to one or two batters too many. Also if you are going to pull Minor after giving up a single in the 8th, you should have just started the eight with a relief pitcher.
THERE, I JUST SUMMED IT UP BETTER THAN ANYONE OF YOU BASEBALL HACK BLOGGERS.
and the biggest mistake of the night, me wasting my time watching this game
SoWeGa Fanatic
June 12th, 2012
11:00 pm
usnavyvolfaninva
June 12th, 2012
10:55 pm
nj,
he’s a FAN. As in, he loves his team, win or lose.
***************************************
Sign me up for that, too. In some ways, the Braves were more fun before 1991, 100 loss seasons and all, before the bandwagon jumpers came along.
njbraves
June 12th, 2012
11:01 pm
Us navy….you’re the one who doesn’t get it. How many times does this need to happen before they make some changes?? Remember last year? Missed the playoffs by one game…one game just like tonight. Fredi was running the show then too. The guy is incompetent and needs to be fired.
Slurvy
June 12th, 2012
11:01 pm
It has nothing to do with Fredi being latino…this blog crucified Bobby Cox , a manager with proven success, and will be a Hall of Famer. Why should Fredi Gonzalez be any diff when he has yet to accomplish anything?
TheOnlyBravesFan
June 12th, 2012
11:01 pm
Maybe these past few games has FW rethinking Meds move to the ‘pen. Hopefully.
The A Bomb
June 12th, 2012
11:01 pm
Probably right — Gonzalez won’t get the ax because the expectations for this team are low. As long as we have transplants putting butts in seats it’s good enough for all involved.
This game felt eerily like the Leyritz game.
Talent is there. Field command is not.
The A Bomb
June 12th, 2012
11:01 pm
Probably right — Gonzalez won’t get the ax because the expectations for this team are low. As long as we have transplants putting butts in seats it’s good enough for all involved.
This game felt eerily like the Leyritz game.
Talent is there. Field command is not.
McDS1nnnn
June 12th, 2012
11:01 pm
Disgusted
I have said since the spring that the team is a very good team, with the potential to struggle to stay above .500 and the possibility to go into the post season, depending on luck, timing and development of some key young players.
Still the same team, as shown by the recent streaks.
But bullpens seem to fluctuate wildly from year to year. Guys are in the pen for a reason. They do not have the stuff or enough pitches to start. They are going to struggle and occasionally excel (elite closers and set up me exempt).
If you go back over the past 20 years, our bullpens have been very up and down, and end up having the most changes from year to year.
I also thought we were quite spoiled by the perfection of the back 3 for most of last season. Jonny needs to makes some adjustments. The hitters are onto him. If he makes the right adjustments, he’ll be OK. If not, he’ll be short lived, like about 50% of most bullpen guys.
nolie
June 12th, 2012
11:02 pm
whatever I say is so far above your meager intellect that you will never understand it anyway. so shut yer trap B4 you look like an even bigger fool.
and you should stop ripping the ranters all the time since you are just like them when things go bad. also makes you look pretty silly bouncing back and forth and up and down like that………
brian
June 12th, 2012
11:02 pm
Nolie – you are going to have more and more people agreeing with you with games like these.
Delgado is holding his own. Minor appears to be getting it together. Teheran looked good the other day – he also deserved better from the bullpen
Jake W.
June 12th, 2012
11:02 pm
The funny thing is, when a loss like this happens, I want as much as most on here to bitch about how bad the team’s doing; but then, when I see some of the adolescent s**t plastered on this blog, it really gives me pause. It is a 162-game season after all, and some around here don’t get it.
Yep, the ironic thing is that given the so-so performance we’ve gotten from the pen, the rotation, and the fact that the offense has been a little inconsistent that one could argue we should be lucky to have the record we have. That’s the thing with this team, they have not been playing over their head like I think the Nats have (they’re a good team no doubt but I don’t think they keep this pace up) and they have one of the best records. There is room to improve, this isn’t the best we can give.
stizz
June 12th, 2012
11:02 pm
Good joke Frankie Wren
Now take that thing on top of your shoulders and bash it against the wall.
Matt Chernoff
June 12th, 2012
11:04 pm
Wow, I wasn’t watching on that RBI double by Matt, but Uggla was within 25 feet of Mac coming down 3rd lol
MDBravesFan
June 12th, 2012
11:04 pm
The curse of the Wohler’s curve ball strikes again. At least that’s how I feel when we play the yanks. But as one graphic showed, when you play a team with TWICE your payroll, you get what you pay for. So while I really like Heyward’s potential, when he’s your option to replace a Diaz, then we were lucky to get the one extra run. Not claiming to be an expert, but would agree with most here that Venters shouldn’t be used again, except maybe in the minors. His unbelievably bad.
MDBravesFan
June 12th, 2012
11:04 pm
Oops – meant “He’s”.
TheOnlyBravesFan
June 12th, 2012
11:05 pm
Worst decision of the night by Fredi: having Gearrin pitch to Swisher with the game on the line. Left-handed hitters eat him up. If no EOF available, and if you don’t want to use Kimbrel in the 8th, then C. Martinez should have been in there.
Can’t quite agree with you here. Since EOF wasn’t available, he was using his ground-ball pitcher, Gearrin. While it might have been misguided, it was likely his best option.
Trey
June 12th, 2012
11:05 pm
usvolfaninva, TheTruth is a race baiting piece of sh*t.
TheTruth, instead of bitching about others not going to the game, why don’t you actually go to the game, son?
njbraves, usnavyvolfaninva gets it much more than you.
McDS1nnnn
June 12th, 2012
11:06 pm
A Bomb
Frank Wren is not going to fire Fredi now because he was hand picked by Frank. That would be admitting that you made a poor choice. If Fredi goes, it will be in the off season. But only if we do not make the playoffs.
njbraves
June 12th, 2012
11:06 pm
nolie…stay humble man. Keep accepting the losing, it suits you well.
The Truth Hurts
June 12th, 2012
11:06 pm
Busch-
Get your head out of the sand. If it don’t get yer britches in a knot, try asking around and you’ll learn more about what I’m saying.
us navy-
It doesn’t matter where you are. This is common knowledge among many “others” everywhere. You’ll have to settle for this blog, because we aren’t meeting anywhere else.
njbraves
June 12th, 2012
11:07 pm
Trey…whatever. All of you idiots deserve each other and this team.
C. C. Sabathia
June 12th, 2012
11:07 pm
Those on this blog are the Tea Party (Fired up, silent majority). Post Game Crew along with 680 The Fan Crew are the Establishment Republicans (Stay The Course, Don’t Make Waves, Everythings Fine).
ChattTownBrian (CTB)
June 12th, 2012
11:07 pm
stizz, I want Fredi out too, but I don’t care if we win with him in the dugout. It just doesn’t make sense what you said. So you want us to lose ten in a row and then go on tear with a new manager to show Fredi point blank how dumb of a manager he was?
The Truth Hurts
June 12th, 2012
11:08 pm
Trey-
When they remove the burning crosses I’ll go.
usnavyvolfaninva
June 12th, 2012
11:08 pm
nj,
Who said that I was at all happy about the way things are going. I’m just as pissed about tonight as anyone else, but my God, all the whining in the world isn’t going to fix anything. Do you really think the management of this team reads this blog for all the sage advice that’s displayed on here? Venters didn’t do his job tonight, plain and simple. I don’t know that I’d have pulled Minor when FG did, but he pulled him; My beef with you is that no one on here’s a real fan unless they’re calling on FG to be fired, the entire pitching staff sent down, and/or a boycott for the rest of the season. Really, get a freakin’ grip!
SoWeGa Fanatic
June 12th, 2012
11:09 pm
G’nite, children. Play nice. The sun will rise in the morning. If not, look for me in Heaven!
Powder Blue
June 12th, 2012
11:09 pm
One day I’ll wake up and this whole Liberty Media/Frank Wren/Fredi Gonzalez nightmare will be over. One day.
Trey
June 12th, 2012
11:09 pm
njbraves, ah classical name calling. Very intelligent. Stephen Hawking could take a lesson from you.
nolie
June 12th, 2012
11:10 pm
what is there about accepting? are you actually stupid enough to think that ranting on this blog is gonna change a damn thing? if so you need to grow up and learn about how things work. NOBODY gives a rat’s arse about what you or any of us say here
usnavyvolfaninva
June 12th, 2012
11:10 pm
Hey, Trey; great game tonight
McDS1nnnn
June 12th, 2012
11:10 pm
njbraves
You’re sounding like a dip stick…………. best to shut the hell up.
Busch Leaguer
June 12th, 2012
11:10 pm
MD
How do you explain Tampa Bay ,they lose high dollar players every year an still compete with the Yanks an Red Sox every year,and their payroll is less than the Braves.
ChattTownBrian (CTB)
June 12th, 2012
11:11 pm
njbraves, what the hell does any little nobody blogger have to do with the Braves’ success anyways? HAHA! Everybody has their own thoughts on situations that go on with our team. We have zero say what happens with the team though. You make it sound like if we were all uptight and want to kill that it would improve our team.
I get as nasty as anybody, but have a clue. Not according to DS1, but I really do.
McDS1nnnn
June 12th, 2012
11:11 pm
Powder Blue
I think your in for a long winters nap, my friend!
Trey
June 12th, 2012
11:11 pm
usnavyvolfaninva, I’m pissed about the game, but at least I’m still getting my paycheck on Friday.
Marc Schneider
June 12th, 2012
11:12 pm
If you really think the division is “there for the taking” because the Nationals are in first place, you better think twice. They have a better rotation than the Braves. What starter would you take over Stephen Strasburg, Gio Gonzalez, and Jordan Zimmermann? Braves fans and media act like it’s still the 90s. It’s not. There’s nothing special about the Braves or the organization any more. They have probably the worst manager in baseball, no money to spend, and depend on a 40 year old.
Trey
June 12th, 2012
11:13 pm
TheTruth, right. You probably can’t even afford a cheap seats ticket at Turner Field.
TheOnlyBravesFan
June 12th, 2012
11:13 pm
Disappointing loss tonight, especially for Minor. But, it’s just 1 game, we’ll go get ‘em tomorrow. Our hitters haven’t all even hit their grooves yet, and same with our pitchers. We’ll get on a tear soon.
McDS1nnnn
June 12th, 2012
11:13 pm
CTB
The jury is still out……………
(Brian, you’d be ok, but you change you persona worse than a skits-o-phrenic!)
usnavyvolfaninva
June 12th, 2012
11:13 pm
Trey,
I dunno… a paycheck’s not even a sure thing nowadays. LOL
Mr. Dustpan
June 12th, 2012
11:13 pm
Sweeeeepppppppp!!!!!!!!!11
Powder Blue
June 12th, 2012
11:14 pm
McDS1nnnn,
You’re probably right. Thank goodness for alcohol.
Coach (2012 Fredi's Beisbol Fandango)
June 12th, 2012
11:14 pm
Win some, lose some, blow some and steal some….that’s baseball.
Venters didn’t have it tonight. Tomorrows another day.
McDS1nnnn
June 12th, 2012
11:14 pm
Marc S
The Nats are the real deal. But it’s a long season……………
ChattTownBrian (CTB)
June 12th, 2012
11:14 pm
Just win tomorrow with Hudson out there and move on to BAL. WSH won’t keep up this unbelievable winning. I just don’t see it. We have staying power, regardless how moronic #33 is.
Trey
June 12th, 2012
11:14 pm
Yeah, it is for the next two years, at least.
The Truth Hurts
June 12th, 2012
11:15 pm
So what are you saying Trey? That I’m on welfare? That I’m here illegally? I’m lazy?
usnavyvolfaninva
June 12th, 2012
11:15 pm
Ah, I see about “Truth”; no response, as he is clearly not worthy of one.
Jake W.
June 12th, 2012
11:15 pm
Derek Fisher gets dumped from the Lakers to Houston, doesn’t go there and now has a chance to win one with OKC. Signed for less to play with a better team. Kinda Lebronish
Go Bravos
June 12th, 2012
11:16 pm
Who cares about whether O’Flaherty could have come in the game? Joe Girardi would have gone with his money man closer, like tonight it happened to be Soriano. Kimbrell should have closed the game out period!
nolie
June 12th, 2012
11:17 pm
Tampa Bay spent a LOT of bad years building up their system getting to where they are, and they have a talented FO. Building from scratch they had no previous big contracts to eat up payroll, unlike the Braves and some other teams that won for a decade or more. gotta tip your cap to them
Trey
June 12th, 2012
11:17 pm
TheTruth, I said none of those, but sounds like you have a guilty conscience.
ChattTownBrian (CTB)
June 12th, 2012
11:17 pm
Yes I do DS1. I’m obviously under stress in life, otherwise my moods wouldn’t fluctuate like they do. That’s actually normal though when stress is all around you all the time. It’ll be alright.
Sopheee
June 12th, 2012
11:17 pm
Kevin Durant is something else.
Playoffs!!!
June 12th, 2012
11:18 pm
TheOnlyBravesFan—-REALLY?!?! you think Gearrin was your best option there??? Wow, you can not be serious!!
nolie
June 12th, 2012
11:19 pm
Win some, lose some, blow some and steal some….that’s baseball…coach
what coach said
Bat Masterson
June 12th, 2012
11:19 pm
Well that was pretty much a drag.
The Truth Hurts
June 12th, 2012
11:20 pm
Would you like me to fax you a copy of my birth certificate Trey?
TOMY FOURNIER
June 12th, 2012
11:21 pm
DOB…and that’s was the only question????Please, something wrong with you…where are you during the game???Hello…the Atlantas fan need more from you to put all this trash out of the game (the manager and all his couch staff)…..I hope…..
nolie
June 12th, 2012
11:21 pm
AISB, roogys usually cause a lot of heartbreak
Trey
June 12th, 2012
11:21 pm
I know I’ve been harsh with Minor this year, but I feel horrible for him. He was pitching great against the Yankees and when he came out, the Yankees dominated our relievers, like some Dominatrix.
TheOnlyBravesFan
June 12th, 2012
11:22 pm
WSH won’t keep up this unbelievable winning
Agree. Especially since they likely will have to shutdown Strasburg and Zimmerman IIRC towards the end of the year. I still think they are a playoff team.
TheOnlyBravesFan—-REALLY?!?! you think Gearrin was your best option there??? Wow, you can not be serious!!
Okay, well there’s a runner on first, you want a ground ball DP. Lemme see who I would choose.
Gearrin, a ground ball pitcher (sinker) or
Livan (Slop pitcher),
Durbin (fly ball pitcher)
Martinez (fly ball pitcher)
Trey
June 12th, 2012
11:23 pm
Nah, I know you are nothing but a race baiting sack of sh*t, Truth.
stizz
June 12th, 2012
11:23 pm
CTB
If you don’t get it now, you never will. We can win so many games on talent. When the playoffs come around, you need your manager to make sound decisions since the competition is level. We ain’t going anywhere in the playoffs with Fredi. Its simple.
nolie
June 12th, 2012
11:23 pm
so far he has let the team down way more than they have let him down IMO, so I caint get all that worked up for him
TheOnlyBravesFan
June 12th, 2012
11:23 pm
AISB, roogys usually cause a lot of heartbreak
yep… but tonight, most of the heartbreak came from venters…
Busch Leaguer
June 12th, 2012
11:23 pm
Truth
There is nothing more to be said , you may not have your head in the sand but you are still blinded by your hatred toward any one who does not agree with your point of view. You use of the term “other people” is a derogatory term that only a liberal like yourself would use to try and prove your point. The way liberals use the so called “other people” to get elected and then forget they even exist until the next time they need their votes.
Enough of this political crap ,I might as well be on Sally Kohn’s blog.
ChattTownBrian (CTB)
June 12th, 2012
11:23 pm
To another topic, what’s up with FF. Lost at the plate. Probably cant see again and the swinging at everything is annoying when he’s actually getting hits, and embarrassing when he’s not. Even Murphy seemed blown away by his constant over aggressive at bats and he says he was pretty aggressive in his days.
JC Brave
June 12th, 2012
11:23 pm
Mark Bowman @mlbbowman
O’Flaherty woke up with a sore arm yesterday He will not be available for a few more days.
Jake W.
June 12th, 2012
11:25 pm
Kevin Durant is something else.
Portland has to be kicking themselves. I know the Hawks have drafted many a bust, but to have passed over first Michael Jordan and now Durant for complete bust has to suck.
TheOnlyBravesFan
June 12th, 2012
11:25 pm
so far he has let the team down way more than they have let him down IMO, so I caint get all that worked up for him
Let that be your opinion, but he pitched a good game, and the pen is supposed to lock it down. They didn’t. Can’t blame Minor for that, and I won’t hold his past games against him. He’s getting better now.
David O'Brien
June 12th, 2012
11:26 pm
Venters: “I have no excuses. I felt great mechanically. Felt great physically. Just behind some hitters, walked a guy, and threw a pitch right down threw a pitch right down the middle 3-2 to one of the best players in the game. There’s no excuses. Mike threw the ball really well tonight and it’s a shame to waste that start. He looked really good. I feel bad. I let my team down. I didn’t do my job.”
nolie
June 12th, 2012
11:26 pm
yeah but Gearrin doused it with some gas too. he should not have been in there against Swisher, which is exactly the problem with guys like him. its a bunch of trouble to remove him every time a lefty comes up so you are tempted to leave him in against one or two and much of the time it hurts
nolie
June 12th, 2012
11:27 pm
fairly sure that TRUTH is Paul Lentz
Bat Masterson
June 12th, 2012
11:28 pm
Really good game for Minor. I hope he can use it to step up some.
McDS1nnnn
June 12th, 2012
11:28 pm
Jake W
The Fisher story is a funny one for sure. But I DO NOT like the guy. He was with us for a year (2006-2007 season). During the playoffs, it was discovered that his young daughter had some rare cancer in one of her eyes. He was well known for traveling across country to be with his daughter in the morning and making the playoff game in the evening. Everybody was impressed.
After the season was over, he pleaded his case with the Jazz owner that he was going to have to play somewhere close to NYC, if he even played at all the next season. The Jazz released him with the league’s blessing from the last year of his contract. The press conference was played here locally. He was crying. Larry Miller was crying. All his teammates were all in tears.
His daughter was being treated at some specialized hospital in NYC. Less than 3 weeks after his release, he signed a contract with the LA Lakers. ALL the fans in Utah felt they were lied to and totally misled. The national media never mentioned it at all. It was all a ruse to get out of his contract so he could go back and sniff Kobe’s jock strap in LA.
I felt terrible for him and his family over his daughter’s illness, but when he lied to the Jazz and the fans of Utah, he lost all sympathy and credibility with me and most Utah Jazz fans.
He gets boo’d unmercifully when his teams visit Utah now. Well deserved.
I don’t wish harm on any person, but I would shed no tears if he had a career ending injury some day.
So that’s my story on why I think Derek Fisher is a total ass.
nolie
June 12th, 2012
11:28 pm
I did not say that he did not pitch a good game, but he needs to pitch a lot more of them just to break even with the team