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Disgusted
June 12th, 2012
10:30 pm
The Braves have not had a good post game show since they were on WSB.
It has not been the same since. They are on that boot licking station 680, that sucks up to them.
Jake W.
June 12th, 2012
10:30 pm
EOF was like Waldo tonight. If the guy was healthy don’t understand the reasoning behind not using him.
Was really hoping Gearrin would impress this time given the way Livan has been but so far guy is not an upgrade. Livan was firing slow batting practice and he’s now the fast machine. Wasn’t impressed last year with him and so far this year not so good. I’ve liked most of the work our GM has done so I have to think he is seriously looking into upgrading the pen. Considering we haven’t seen to many blowouts i’ve seen to much of Martinez, Livan, and any other lesser thans in important situations.
ncbravesfan90
June 12th, 2012
10:30 pm
cabravesfan-
Trust me, you can’t explain what’s been taking place lately with the Braves.
JNick
June 12th, 2012
10:30 pm
@McFann, it’s pretty disgusting.
http://mlb.mlb.com/mlb/gameday/index.jsp?gid=2012_06_12_nyamlb_atlmlb_1&mode=video
Brava
June 12th, 2012
10:31 pm
Very true, Wayne. Enjoy your walk.
The A Bomb
June 12th, 2012
10:31 pm
Since we’re not willing to use Kimbrel for anything more than 3 outs then finding a solid right-handed 8th-inning guy becomes imperative.
This has been so poorly planned it’s not worthy of a major league team.
stizz
June 12th, 2012
10:31 pm
As much as I’ve agreed with you N8, Fredi is not Wren’s guy. There has always been a disconnect between those two.
nolie
June 12th, 2012
10:31 pm
peeps thought that we were never gonna lose a late inning game because we hadn’t yet? they could lose the next 5 in a row for that matter
The Truth Hurts
June 12th, 2012
10:31 pm
If Fredi’s name was Fred Hammelsmith then the blame would be on the pitchers for not pitching and the hitters for not hitting.
TheOnlyBravesFan
June 12th, 2012
10:31 pm
We can get all the great SP we want, but if our RP can’t lock down games, we’ll be in trouble. I don’t expect them to be as dominant as they were last year, but they’ve been skittish at times.
cowdogit
June 12th, 2012
10:31 pm
If Smoltz , Glavine and Maddox pitched for McDowell no way in hell would they go to the HALL OF FAME .
tennisbrave
June 12th, 2012
10:32 pm
Get the brooms out and keep them out since we play the Yanks again next week.
cabravesfan
June 12th, 2012
10:32 pm
I never said I could or would explain it. Teams lose games. It’s part of baseball.
Couch Tater
June 12th, 2012
10:33 pm
Minor must feel like the Dingo ate his baby.
The Truth Hurts
June 12th, 2012
10:33 pm
Your good ole boy Cox picked Fredi idiots.
Hmmmm
June 12th, 2012
10:33 pm
I find this interesting:
http://www.shrpsports.com/mlb/stand/1994finaldiv.htm
those same teams that ended the Strike Season in 94 in First Place are currently in First right now (is there an upcoming strike I don’t know about???? … you know the Nats would just “love” for that to happen again)
cabravesfan
June 12th, 2012
10:33 pm
Anyways, I’m done. Y’all have a good evening
nolie
June 12th, 2012
10:33 pm
like DOB said Football mentality runs rampant across the blog
TheOnlyBravesFan
June 12th, 2012
10:34 pm
Well, that homer to Swisher shows why Gearrin doesn’t need to face lefties…. he’s a roogy
richbrave
June 12th, 2012
10:34 pm
DOWN ON THE FARM
GWINNETT
MEDLEN ‘pukes it’ in a 1-4 loss.
RHS/RP KRIS MEDLEN [L 0-2, 4.72 ERA] 6.0 Ip, 6 H, 1 HR, 3 R/ER, 4 BB, 4 SO.
RHRP JAYE CHAPMAN [2.76 ERA] 2.0 IP, 1 H, 1 HR, 1 R/ER, 1 BB, 3 SO.
3B JOSH WILSON [.240 BA] 1-3, 1 RBI [16], 1 BB.
RF FELIX PIE [.268 BA] 1-3, 1 R, 1 2B [7], 1 BB, 1 SB [3].
SS TYLER PASTORNICKY [.235 BA] 2-4, 2 2B [5], 1 BB, 1 SO.
1B ERNESTO MEJIA [.317 BA] 1-4, 1 BB, 1 SO.
SoWeGa Fanatic
June 12th, 2012
10:34 pm
Wow, you would think the Braves didn’t have the fifth best record in the league after tonight. This is a very good TEAM, but it does need some tweaking. I have no idea what is wrong with Venters. I think EOF must have a health issue tonight. I always support my manager, but I am losing faith in Fredi – never said that about a Braves manager, even Billy Hitchcock.
Kat
June 12th, 2012
10:34 pm
For those who asked about EOF:
“David O’Brien @ajcbraves
O’Flaherty was not available tonight, Fredi said, bc of some elbow soreness. Expect him to need a couple more days”
Bay Area Steve
June 12th, 2012
10:34 pm
Despicable!
DAM
June 12th, 2012
10:34 pm
The DOB criticism needs to stop. DOB, you do an outstanding job.
N8
June 12th, 2012
10:34 pm
“As much as I’ve agreed with you N8, Fredi is not Wren’s guy. There has always been a disconnect between those two.”
Then fire him. His ass is on the line based on what the new donkey in the dugout is doing. If the GM doesn’t have the power to fire a manager. Then why have a GM?
If JS is still pulling the strings, then he should just be the GM too.
nolie
June 12th, 2012
10:35 pm
Cox did not “pick” Fredi, he had input as did others but it was not his decision. he and Frank are not all that close at all
Busch Leaguer
June 12th, 2012
10:35 pm
Truth
Fredo’s ethnicity has not a damn thing to do with his ability to manage the Braves. Now that the game is over turn your TV back to MSNBC ,you can stiil catch the end of the Rachel Maddow show.
ncbravesfan90
June 12th, 2012
10:35 pm
“I never said I could or would explain it. Teams lose games. It’s part of baseball.”
Oh i definitely agree, but you can’t lose games like this and then make excuses on why it wasn’t Fredi’s fault. I can understand if everyone in the pen had been used or Kimbrel or Eric O had pitched alot rececently, but you just can’t blow a 4 run lead and still have Kimbrel and Eric O, your two best relievers, sitting in the bullpen at nights end. Poor managing and thats not debateable.
Frankie Wren
June 12th, 2012
10:36 pm
Gee EOF not available, what a shock never would have guessed that. sigh
TheOnlyBravesFan
June 12th, 2012
10:36 pm
TheOnlyBravesFan-
What would you like me to explain?
What was the reasoning for taking out Minor and leaving in Venters while he struggled? He threw a 4 pitch walk to someone! He didn’t look good at all.
ChattTownBrian (CTB)
June 12th, 2012
10:36 pm
Swisher?
What a puss. Yeah, they can plunk the squirt and make him like it for all I care.
JNick
June 12th, 2012
10:36 pm
@richbrave, “pukes it”? That was a quality start (6ip, 3er or less) by the stats. Or did he literally “puke”?
stizz
June 12th, 2012
10:36 pm
The best we can wish for is an extended losing streak to force management’s hands on Fredi.
TheOnlyBravesFan
June 12th, 2012
10:37 pm
Venters didn’t even record an out!!!!!!!!
Brava
June 12th, 2012
10:37 pm
I was one of those advocating for Gearrin to come up because he was doing very well at Gwinnett and had a bit of MLB experience from last season. I was wrong. He is overmatched by major league batters.
McDS1nnnn
June 12th, 2012
10:37 pm
@ Brava: Chipper needs to take Fredi hunting with Dick Cheney.
Now THAT is funny!
(son hasn’t come back from the gym yet, so the walk is postponed. It’s still daylight out here anyway)
cabravesfan
June 12th, 2012
10:37 pm
What excuses did I make?
TheOnlyBravesFan-
Why do I have to explain it? I’m not the manager or the pitcher or in any way associated with the Braves…
N8
June 12th, 2012
10:37 pm
“like DOB said Football mentality runs rampant across the blog….” nolie
Agreed. Pretty knee-jerk most of the time (mysefl included). But in fairness, I’ve NEVER been on board with the Fredi hire. So this is certainly nothing new for me. Didn’t want him to begin with. Wanted him fired after the meltdown last year. Would have fired him after the 8 game losing streak. And simply can’t wait for him to get fired now. He’s horrible. Wrong guy for the job.
So, perhaps there is football mentality on the blog. But that’s better than the baffoon mentality in the dugout.
Jake W.
June 12th, 2012
10:37 pm
Minor must feel like the Dingo ate his baby.
Or he feels like the rest of the team felt when he threw away wins. The guy has no reason to feel bad, he did his job. He was pitching for his job and he delivered. So he doesn’t get the win, he earned himself another start. We lost but if he keeps that up there will be far less of those.
Frankie Wren
June 12th, 2012
10:38 pm
Yeah makes sense, fire him now. Team is in second place and a playoff team if season ended today. Get some perspective folks.
Mister Frisky
June 12th, 2012
10:38 pm
Fredi needs to put on his ass less chaps,hop on his moped,and leave town.I’m sure the babaloo needs a busboy.
nolie
June 12th, 2012
10:38 pm
nobody is gonna fire a manager with the 5th best record in the league
njbraves
June 12th, 2012
10:38 pm
EOF not being available doesn’t excuse any of the crap that went on. Venters clearly had nothing and shouldn’t have been left in to pitch to A Rod. If you can’t see that, you’re a moron.
stizz
June 12th, 2012
10:39 pm
N8,
I’ve expected the firing for a while now, especially after that Rosenthal report, but this might just help get him out of office.
The Truth Hurts
June 12th, 2012
10:39 pm
Should I watch Rachel Maddow or read any American History book. Will reach the same results Jackleg!
cabravesfan
June 12th, 2012
10:39 pm
But I am done now. It’s dinner time
tommykk
June 12th, 2012
10:39 pm
Playing .500 ball at home is not going to cut it.
McDS1nnnn
June 12th, 2012
10:39 pm
The idea was that Gearrin went to AAA to work on pitching to lefties.
Was Eric O not available?
These are games when Medlen comes in and does a nice job 9 times out of 10.
TheOnlyBravesFan
June 12th, 2012
10:39 pm
Braves blow lead, A-Rod slam lifts Yanks to 6-4 win
You mean, Venters and Fredi blow lead….
The Truth Hurts
June 12th, 2012
10:40 pm
nolie,
His fans will, if they don’t like him for reasons other than records.
Jake W.
June 12th, 2012
10:41 pm
O’Flaherty was not available tonight, Fredi said, bc of some elbow soreness. Expect him to need a couple more days”
Figured that had to be the reason. Somebody tell Meds he wasted his time stretching out. Call the guy up. Also does anybody know how far Moylan is from being ready?
richbrave
June 12th, 2012
10:41 pm
TheOnlyBravesFan
June 12th, 2012
10:28 pm
“……Ah, Minor was at that magic number (100), so he had to come out, even though he was having a great game… I feel so bad for him, he looked “mad” on the TV……..”
He should have been. I would have.
But i do agree with nolie, he was about to lose it I think. FREDO’s reaction was instantaneous. He saw something in that hit he didn’t like from MINOR besides the fact that the leaf-off batter in the inning was on, or I think he would have left him in.
Frankie Wren
June 12th, 2012
10:41 pm
“The best we can wish for is an extended losing streak to force management’s hands on Fredi.”
That would make everything better. Much rather be 12 games out of first place and take a chance on a unknown commodity than be in second place in June. Sound strategy. Steinbrenner if alive would love these comments.
njbraves
June 12th, 2012
10:41 pm
nolie….just shut up dude. You’re almost as dumb as Fredi. You’re a typical Braves fan…everything is fine, right? So they blew another game that was theirs..so what. When this team is on the outside looking in in October you can thank your boy Fredi.
N8
June 12th, 2012
10:41 pm
“nobody is gonna fire a manager with the 5th best record in the league”
I actually agree with you. But after the next Yankees series, I bet we’re not the 5th best team in the leave. Frendly “bragging rights” wager.
ChattTownBrian (CTB)
June 12th, 2012
10:42 pm
I’d get a et starter like Burnett or a proven guy and put Medlen back in the pen where I think he’s more usefull.
ncbravesfan90
June 12th, 2012
10:42 pm
I wasn’t saying you. I was using you as a general term. I mean i dont think anyone here is not blaming Fredi.(at least i hope not)
McDS1nnnn
June 12th, 2012
10:42 pm
I think Fredi is substandard, but I do not believe he will be fired. Team is doing too well to can the manager.
TheOnlyBravesFan
June 12th, 2012
10:42 pm
David O’Brien @ajcbraves
O’Flaherty was not available tonight, Fredi said, bc of some elbow soreness. Expect him to need a couple more days”
Elbow soreness? He and Brandon been spending too much time together…
Playing .500 ball at home is not going to cut it
This.
Anyways, hope we can get them tomorrow. I guess we need Huddy (and all our pitchers) to go 8 until Meds and EOF get back…. only Kimbrel is trustworthy
nolie
June 12th, 2012
10:42 pm
Fredi should be
castratcastigatedcabravesfan
June 12th, 2012
10:43 pm
ncbravesfan90-
ok- just wanted to be clear…
Powder Blue
June 12th, 2012
10:43 pm
I usually don’t criticize the manager, but Fredi blew tonight’s game.
Mister Frisky
June 12th, 2012
10:43 pm
Moylan is an Aussie wanka,who cares about that gas can.
Go Bravos
June 12th, 2012
10:43 pm
Hooray to all of you Braves fans! For once the entire blog is filled with Fredi fodder! Good to all be on the same page. If we could all show up at a game together, with enough yelling perhaps we could have enough influence to coach this team on from the stands, boo Fredi subs, and win a series for more than once. This team has great potential, but if Fredi continues to make calls like tonight Cincy, Dodgers, and Nats will make chopped liver out of us before Sept. I know how Minor feels to have been struggling this season, finally pitch a freakin gem, and have it ruined by the freakin coach! Good game Minor!
TheOnlyBravesFan
June 12th, 2012
10:44 pm
I really miss Medlen in the ‘pen…
McFann :Ô: :Ô: :ô:
June 12th, 2012
10:44 pm
JNick—
Oh, what a shame…the uh…the replays don’t wanna work today.
I HATE Google Chronium. Never had ANY trouble with replays and hardly had any with Gameday until I was forced to switch to this sorry excuse for a browser…
rugburn
June 12th, 2012
10:44 pm
at least by letting the yankees come back to win, we’ll get to see it again on sportcenter.
nolie
June 12th, 2012
10:44 pm
poop on you nj. you spend half your time ranting against the Braves and the other half ranting against the ranters. I have drandruff that is smarter than you are…..
JNick
June 12th, 2012
10:45 pm
@McFann, I’ve been disappointed with it lately too – seems like Flash is always crashing, even IF you disable the internal player and go with the add-in….or vice versa.
LAG
June 12th, 2012
10:46 pm
Just popped back in to share this, via Twitter.
@mlbbowman
O’Flaherty woke up with a sore arm yesterday He will not be available for a few more days.
Venters is a Headcase
June 12th, 2012
10:46 pm
“O’Flaherty was not available tonight, Fredi said, bc of some elbow soreness. Expect him to need a couple more days”
What? So the pen is Venters, Kimbrel, the ineffective rookie, Durbin, Livan and Durbin? Geez does this team have a freaking fitness program??? Hudson ailing, Beachy sore and pushed back, EOF not available, Chipper hurting, Freeman and Mac coming back, Ross hurting….and the list goes on! Good grief what do these guys do to get in shape for the season, 12 oz curls and cheese puffs!
The Truth Hurts
June 12th, 2012
10:46 pm
Would any of you like to see Fredi’s birth certificate?
Powder Blue
June 12th, 2012
10:46 pm
I wish Venters would be unavailable for a few days.
Busch Leaguer
June 12th, 2012
10:47 pm
Truth, Speaking on American History,
A famous Georgian once said Delta is ready when you are. So pack your purse and go back to Yankee land. I guess I will surprise you now ,the best choice to replace Fredi would be the Braves first base coach. I wish TP would have been Cox’s successor instead of Fredi. TP is not afraid to put his foot up the behind of a under performing millionaire ball player.
McDS1nnnn
June 12th, 2012
10:47 pm
I think that moving Medlen out of the pen is a mistake. I understand that the young guns are going to struggle from time to time. But which teams have truly effective 5th starters anyway?
We’ve got too many other options for the 5th starter if Delgado or Minor continues to struggle.
ChattTownBrian (CTB)
June 12th, 2012
10:47 pm
stizz, you aren’t a fan for your 10:36 post. No way. You’re frustrated, I know. Me too. But you don’t wish a losing streak on your team.
McFann :Ô: :Ô: :ô:
June 12th, 2012
10:47 pm
JNick—
Yeah, it’s been a real piece of junk ever since I started using it…I don’t know what that disabling stuff means, but still…
Hmmmm
June 12th, 2012
10:47 pm
“And simply can’t wait for him to get fired now. He’s horrible. Wrong guy for the job”
considering the organization he works for (I think the last time someone from the Braves was fired was …. Bobby in 81? Everyone else has left in the off season) I expect he’ll be around for a while longer.
And even if FW didn’t like him (his one chance was probably after the Historical Collapse but he passed on it), even he would have a hard time justifying firing someone with their team still in contention especially when the season isn’t even at halftime.
njbraves
June 12th, 2012
10:48 pm
nolie…. whatever dummy. The Braves are the perfect team for you. You’re both happy to be mediocre.
richbrave
June 12th, 2012
10:48 pm
I’m not sure WREN is too close to most front-office and management staff. FW seems to be a pretty hard-boiled customer in a business sense. I get the feeling he isn’t well liked by other GM’s either. I’m sure he’s a fine guy outside of baseball, but inside it, he doesn’t strike me as all ‘warm and fuzzy.’ Who cares? He’s brought the BRAVES back to respectibility on what I consider to be a pretty lean budget. I think he does good work.
McFann :Ô: :Ô: :ô:
June 12th, 2012
10:48 pm
“No more for me, thanks. I’m full!”
Out. Night, all.
Ted
June 12th, 2012
10:48 pm
How sparse the gray matter must be to be an apologist for Fredi?
richbrave
June 12th, 2012
10:49 pm
HILLCATS up 4-1 in the second game. NYTOL.
The Truth Hurts
June 12th, 2012
10:49 pm
Busch,
You’ll say that until he gets the job. Then after the first HR by an opposing team, you will unleash your leash.
Frankie Wren
June 12th, 2012
10:49 pm
“Perspective is understanding when your coach is overmatched”
sirluciouscp- some useful information for you. In baseball they call the guy making decisions Managers not coaches. Sure you were probably alluding to Perez the bullpen coach or McDowell pitching coach and my apologies if so.
Football the top dog is the coach. Does this help any?
Jake W.
June 12th, 2012
10:50 pm
If they fired Fredi today I wouldn’t weep but to think this is all on him is a little unfair. I’m not the guys biggest fan but his bullpen and his starters have been inconsistent all season. That is usually the biggest indicator that the team will be inconsistent. No one has been reliable outside of Kimbrel so this idea that if he presses this or that button that we would definitely be better isn’t a given.
usnavyvolfaninva
June 12th, 2012
10:50 pm
njbrave,
Pretty bold post, considering you don’t really know anything about nolie other than what he posts on a blog.
Cap: Where's My Tip?
June 12th, 2012
10:51 pm
“The best we can wish for is an extended losing streak to force management’s hands on Fredi”
even if some people wished that they WOULD STILL complain about losing
SoWeGa Fanatic
June 12th, 2012
10:51 pm
Funny, if Everyfewdays Johnny had gotten 2 outs, the blog would be much different tonite.
CaptMudd
June 12th, 2012
10:51 pm
Arm soreness=reason EOF was not in–he is not available and may not be for a few days
McDS1nnnn
June 12th, 2012
10:51 pm
night richbrave
Thanks for all your updates. Really appreciate it!
nolie
June 12th, 2012
10:52 pm
your reading comprehension(actually lack thereof) marks you as idiot material. I have never made any indication that I am happy with losing, that is your knuckleheadedness coming into play. I just don’t have to act like a 14 year old after a loss, and I have enough experience to know pretty much what it is actually like. go soak your head, and get that big pimple out
stizz
June 12th, 2012
10:52 pm
CTB, no I want whatever will get Fredi out of office, and if it takes losing ten in a row so be it.
Don’t tell me what I am. I have invested alot in this team over the years and can feel however I please.
usnavyvolfaninva
June 12th, 2012
10:52 pm
nolie,
had to look up “castigate”
JNick
June 12th, 2012
10:53 pm
Durbinator still hasn’t given up a run since May 7th. Wonder why he wasn’t brought in for Minor…hmmm…
The Truth Hurts
June 12th, 2012
10:53 pm
The only good thing about this series is that the “other” Atlanta fanbase was able to come out and enjoy a ballgame and feel welcome for the first time in years.
Jake W.
June 12th, 2012
10:53 pm
I think that moving Medlen out of the pen is a mistake.
Felt this way when it first happened. Don’t know if they lost faith in Minor or just wanted to give him a real kick in the but, but not having him with Venters struggling has been hurting us.
Powder Blue
June 12th, 2012
10:53 pm
Those of you hoping for any significant changes shouldn’t hold your breath. McGuirk pretty much said the bottom line for LM is money and not winning.
Disgusted
June 12th, 2012
10:53 pm
I am not absolving Fredi of everything but this game is squarely on Venterbumb not getting the J-O-B done.
This roster is not as talented as some think, truth is it is not all that good.
For those who think this team is so full of talent, well, we can agree to disagree, but this team is deficient especially in the pen this yr. Save for Kimbrell this bullpen sucks.
EOF and Venters had career yrs last yr. EOF not as good this time around and Venters well, unacceptable.
And too much of the rotation is in its learning curve. It is sort of a rebuilding team in a sense, look how young most of these guys are save for CJ and Uggla.
TheOnlyBravesFan
June 12th, 2012
10:54 pm
I HATE Google Chronium. Never had ANY trouble with replays and hardly had any with Gameday until I was forced to switch to this sorry excuse for a browser…
You’re forced to use Chrome? Not even Firefox? Dang… I’ll try to see if I can remotely diagnose it tomorrow… my mlb videos work in chrome
Night, McFann