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Tomahawk Mafia
June 12th, 2012
10:14 pm
Bad game managed by a bad manager.
brian
June 12th, 2012
10:15 pm
Awful ending to a disheartening game.
Great job Minor
BFChris27
June 12th, 2012
10:15 pm
Fredi lost that game.
Brava
June 12th, 2012
10:15 pm
Devastating loss. Fredi sucks. That is all.
JasonInFL
June 12th, 2012
10:15 pm
Pathetic loss. This one sucks more than most. Fredi is clueless sometimes.
tristan
June 12th, 2012
10:15 pm
Hey there was a former Braves reliever getting it done against 2,3,4 hitters. Nice.
Disgusted
June 12th, 2012
10:15 pm
Even if Liberty Media would sell out and go away, the next prospective owner is still stuck with that bad TV contract as far as I know.
Its not good, not a good future and not a good thing when you have a roster of players who cannot step up in the big moment. This was a bigger game than any run of the mill reg season game.
Had they won tonight it would be a psycological boost for the team and of course the spirit of us fans.
This game should break out soirit for this team. We are human beings after all.
McSopheee
June 12th, 2012
10:15 pm
Craptastic loss.
Fredi G.
June 12th, 2012
10:15 pm
Yee hah baby!!! That was fun!! When my team is up by 4 runs I love to bring in a relief pitcher who will give up the lead real fast without recording a single out. Now with both Venters and Livan; I can count on those two to do just that. Livan was great giving up that lead against Toronto Sunday and Venters; well, he came through perfectly for me tonight. Two out of two in three days ain’t bad. That’s what I call executing your game plan! Yee hah!!!!
LakeDawg
June 12th, 2012
10:15 pm
Ball game! Last two outs were SO. Football season only 2 and a half months away.
TheOnlyBravesFan
June 12th, 2012
10:15 pm
Great job Fredi and the Bravos…. I try to be reasonable like cab/nolie/mcfann most days, but this one hurt…. first the jays, then tonight…
I cry
Jay Dubu
June 12th, 2012
10:15 pm
Wow!!!
The Yankees can to the Ted, and took the Braves’ lunch money!!
Cap: Where's My Tip
June 12th, 2012
10:16 pm
going to need Huddy to pitch a complete game tomorrow (just to be safe) to avoid the sweep
Slide J-Hey
June 12th, 2012
10:16 pm
Mark Bradley will also giv’em hell …
Tip your cap to Minor…fredi was Amped uped!
Jerry
June 12th, 2012
10:16 pm
If there is an upside to any of this, it’s that the Phils will be 9 games back after tonight. I want the Nationals to win every game to knock the Phillies off their streak. We can’t do it, so I’ll root for them to do it.
Sopheee
June 12th, 2012
10:16 pm
Props to Minor though. Hillbilly, we might be out of business again if he keeps it up.
McFann :Ô: :Ô: :ô:
June 12th, 2012
10:16 pm
Martin is a wiener…can’t stand that little imp…
Doofus(Goober and Gomer's Smart Brother)
June 12th, 2012
10:16 pm
Sure hope they are handing out “happy pills” to all the Braves fans who blew a load of money at the game tonight. The Yankees fans? Nah, don’t worry they don’t need no friggin’ pills. They got a good team and a good manager who knows what he’s doing!
stizz
June 12th, 2012
10:16 pm
I feel terrible for any Braves fan who paid to see that.
nolie
June 12th, 2012
10:16 pm
no matter what the schedule, and I agree that we are getting screwed a bit with it, they are still gonna lose 65-70 games at least and it doesn’t much matter in the long run when or which in games that are not against direct competition
SoWeGa Fanatic
June 12th, 2012
10:16 pm
So who do we get manage when the blog fires Fredi? Jack McKeon?
Busch Leaguer
June 12th, 2012
10:16 pm
Chipper needs to take Fredo “Fishing”.
Darryl Blackberry
June 12th, 2012
10:16 pm
We should brainstorm some ideas as to who our next manager should be. Is there anyone who could swoop in midseason and rescue the Braves?
Ted
June 12th, 2012
10:16 pm
The Braves approve the hiring of Chip and Joe and all radio announcers so of course they will be kind. Human nature to want to keep your job. Fortunately the Braves do not approve the hiring of all on this blog. So we can say what needs to be said.
LAG
June 12th, 2012
10:16 pm
I don’t care what month it is. That game hurt.
Outta here, kids. As mentioned, we’ll be in attendance tomorrow night.
N8
June 12th, 2012
10:17 pm
“Uggla strikes out, #Braves lose 6-4 to #Yankees. Shocking night.” tweets DOB….
Uhh…. You know who the Braves manager is right? Why on earth would the results of that 8th inning be shocking to you? Serious question.
After all this time the way he’s handled his rotation and bullpen and with the way Venters has struggled. Are you honestly telling us you’re “shocked” by the results.
I’m not. Not at all.
jt
June 12th, 2012
10:17 pm
Where did all of those lousy yankee fans come from. Here to corrupt and degrade our city???? If they love NY so much why don’t they go there and try to make a living and leave Atl, we would be much better off if they did.
Jay Dubu
June 12th, 2012
10:17 pm
Well, at least we know Kimbrel will br fresh, if he ever pitches again?
What are you saving him for Fredi?
TNScott
June 12th, 2012
10:17 pm
A Bomb- Calling Fredi, “Eddie Haas II,” is an insult to Eddie Haas.
Eric C.
June 12th, 2012
10:18 pm
Ok, most agree FG screwed up, but man…what about Venters??? There was a time when I swore he should have been closing instead of Kimbrel…like when Rivera used to set up for Wetteland, everyone knew then who the better pitcher was…what a mystery Venters is turning out to be.
nolie
June 12th, 2012
10:18 pm
This was a bigger game than any run of the mill reg season game….
actually it is a lesser game than any played against NL East teams. who the hell cares what they do against the Yanks?
SoWeGa Fanatic
June 12th, 2012
10:18 pm
nolie
June 12th, 2012
10:16 pm
no matter what the schedule, and I agree that we are getting screwed a bit with it, they are still gonna lose 65-70 games at least and it doesn’t much matter in the long run when or which in games that are not against direct competition
*************************************************************
Exactly. Horrible night! But, it is one game. One L. Win tomorrow, and life is good again.
njbraves
June 12th, 2012
10:18 pm
Fredi Gonzalez should be fired before he gets to his office.
JC Brave
June 12th, 2012
10:18 pm
Braves winning 4-0. Power went out. Power came back. Braves had already lost.
Yep, Braves’ baseball.
Go Bravos
June 12th, 2012
10:19 pm
Here we go again with Bobby Cox baseball! Either Freddi has a phone in the dugout to Bobby Cox, or he is his twin! No excuse for a 4 freakin run lead just evaporated by a team that you know will kill you. And he brings in Venters? I know exactly what he (Freddi) was thinking…I’ll bring in a slumping Venters and try to build his confidence on the back of Minor….what a sucker move! The players should be pissed! Minor should be pissed! Heck they could have walked in two runs and came out better! This one of the worst games I have ever seen as far as coaching is concerned. Good freakin luck!
Jake W.
June 12th, 2012
10:19 pm
Minor is the silver lining. Offense needs to pick it up. Everybody is in there now so can’t blame injuries. Our pitching isn’t what it use to be, the offense has to do better.
ncbravesfan90
June 12th, 2012
10:19 pm
Safe to say Kimbrel and Eric O are available to pitch tomorrow? haha
McDS1nnnn
June 12th, 2012
10:19 pm
Brava
We can agree on one thing, Fredi is substandard. But so long as he has FW’s blessing, not anything we can do about it.
But pull for our Braves!
Bo Graves!
out for a walk folks………. trying to get healthy
stizz
June 12th, 2012
10:20 pm
As somebody said earlier, I really can’t keep blaming Fredi. He is what he is: An idiot who is in way over his head and was “graced” in because he was Bobby’s guy. I can start to point the finger at Chipper and Uggla however for not walking into his office and not locking the door behind them.
Ted
June 12th, 2012
10:20 pm
I loved Schuerholz, but he has to go, his hand picked boy Wren needs to go, and McGuirk needs to go. The fish rots from the top.
N8
June 12th, 2012
10:20 pm
“Is there anyone who could swoop in midseason and rescue the Braves?”
Yup. Unfortunately he’s managing in Washington. LOL. How about Smoltz? Don Sutton perhaps?
Anybody with an actual knowledge of the game would be appreciated.
Hell. I’ll settle for somebody that has common sense when it comes to his own damn roster. Fredi seemingly doesn’t even know who on his team is good.
I can’t wait for the post-game quotes. I just dropped about 40 bucks on iTunes buying some comedy cds. But I have the feeling what Fredi spews out of his melon is going to be much more comical.
The Truth Hurts
June 12th, 2012
10:20 pm
This blog is just as hateful as the braves’ fanbase. You don’t deserve a division title, let alone a WS championship. Fredi is not the worst manager in the league, you are the worst fans.
TheOnlyBravesFan
June 12th, 2012
10:20 pm
twice in the week, Fredi’s given his pen the ball with a 3-4 run lead, and we lost both games…
Luv 2 Hate Me
June 12th, 2012
10:20 pm
Venters has been exposed and for all you Geran fans who couldn’t wait for him to get called back up well guess what his azz can’t pitch in the BIGS. Good game pitched by Mike Minor gone to waste.
thegreatsowhat
June 12th, 2012
10:20 pm
Yep… it’s time.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AO-VFDYy9Rk
ChattTownBrian (CTB)
June 12th, 2012
10:20 pm
Boy that Gearrin stinks.
Sopheee
June 12th, 2012
10:20 pm
Martin is a wiener…can’t stand that little imp…
Haha, for a second I thought you meant ‘teen ‘teen, McFann.
McFann :Ô: :Ô: :ô:
June 12th, 2012
10:21 pm
Cruddy end to a crappy day. Loved BMac’s two Doubles, but the balloon got bursted by the rest of the game…
CaptMudd
June 12th, 2012
10:21 pm
Hey Fredi: just a little advice guy; when a guy throws the ball in the dirt 4 times in the first 10 minutes on the mound…this most probably means he is ‘off.’ Through your stupid management and tolerance for mediocrity; the opponent has salvaged a win out of a sure loss…congrats Skipper, you blow!
Busch Leaguer
June 12th, 2012
10:21 pm
Love all of you Band waggonning Yankee fans on the blog,it is a damn shame that cheat A-roid just tied the Greatest Yankee (Gehrig} in the most Grand Slams hit.
Ted
June 12th, 2012
10:21 pm
Fredi is just too dumb to know if it’s raining or he’s taking a shower.
phil
June 12th, 2012
10:21 pm
Well, that got ugly in a hurry.
Even I am amazed at the anger expressed on here tonight. A lot of people really need to consider psychological counseling. Let me know and i’ll get you signed up with Venters….
rugburn
June 12th, 2012
10:21 pm
fredi is a loser. how can you lose this game. you bring in a reliever whose arm you blew out last year and then you bring in a guy straight from AAA. i hope kimbrell had a nice rest. the truly great closers would be in a big game in the 8th when needed.
Scrappy
June 12th, 2012
10:21 pm
If McGarity was GM of the Braves, Gonzales would already be gone.
TheOnlyBravesFan
June 12th, 2012
10:22 pm
cab: explain this one to me please… minor was great, didn’t deserve this. What was Fredi doing?
richbrave
June 12th, 2012
10:22 pm
nolie:
And pulling him was so much better?
Agreed, he was getting ready to ‘puke it’ as you so eloquently say. I would have rather have seen what MINOR could do when he was on fumes while at the end of an excellent outing than seeing VULTURE and GEARRIN ‘puke it.’
The suggestion of KIMBRELL in to get the two outs in the eighth and EOF pitching the ninth might have been a good idea also.
At any rate, I had the feeling that JONNY V would allow an earned run to MINOR as soon as he hit the mound. When that first hit was delivered by VENTERS I would have had EOF or KIMBRELL ready, and heading for the mound. But that’s just me.
tommykk
June 12th, 2012
10:22 pm
The Braves are going to set the record this year for slams allowed. Even if you walk Arod it’s 4-1 not 4-4..sheesh
ncbravesfan90
June 12th, 2012
10:22 pm
The safest move would be to bring back #6 to dugout to manage. Brings spark back to the players and players play harder knowing he has their back. I think all can agree that we would have won this game if Bobby was in his spot in the dugout.
Disgusted
June 12th, 2012
10:22 pm
Hudson is gonna give up six runs in the first inning tommorrow night and its an automatic loss.
When the Braves get swept in NY next week, this season will be about over and its time to get on the football player and it will be the season to get miserable about the Falcons and Dawgs again as usual.
Misery never ends in Atloserville.
This season is about over now. This game sets the precedent for the rest of the year.
Hmmmm
June 12th, 2012
10:22 pm
“we get to go to NY next week and get swept again’
and the Yanks thought they were having fun hitting homeruns in Turner Field? Come Monday, their pop flys will be homers
Jake W.
June 12th, 2012
10:22 pm
actually it is a lesser game than any played against NL East teams. who the hell cares what they do against the Yanks?
Just like most things the Yankees do, games against them are greatly overrated. They walk on water, they don’t actually play the game of baseball. They are a traveling show. People would line up to take pictures of them pissing. The Yankee mystique simply just clouds the vision.
ccrider
June 12th, 2012
10:23 pm
I, as a fan, have seen my last Braves game in person this year OR until Freddie Gonzalez is fired. I usually go to 15 to 20 games a year, but the continued mismanagement of this baseball team has left me speechless, disappointed, dumbfounded and disgusted. I have never seen a manager with so little feel for making decisions. He manages like he is trying to rewrite the book on winning baseball games in a language only known to a race long extinct.
A note to Frank Wren: Your manager has already coached his team to one of the worst meltdowns in September in the history of baseball. Fredi was your choice for manager, your fate is entertwined with his. HE goes, YOU Go. REPLACE HIM NOW! and you might survive
Venters is a Headcase
June 12th, 2012
10:23 pm
“Now, Hernandez hasn’t pitch in about two weeks. How can you bring in a pitcher in a bases loaded situation that haven’t pitch in two weeks. In then leave him in the game to long. We lost 12 to 4.”
Better still, even though the guy has been around forever, why do you bring a guy in with the bases loaded who has been a starter his entire career prior to this season? Making his first pitch of the game when the bags are already juiced isn’t a recipe for success for some pitchers.
ab initio
June 12th, 2012
10:23 pm
“Where did all of those lousy yankee fans come from. Here to corrupt and degrade our city???? If they love NY so much why don’t they go there and try to make a living and leave Atl, we would be much better off if they did.”
You must first understand that Yankees crap in their own sandbox. They move out the first chance they get and crap in their new sandbox. That’s why they’re detested as much as they are.
McFann :Ô: :Ô: :ô:
June 12th, 2012
10:23 pm
Sopheee—
NO! SORRY!!
I knew I should have said Russell Martin…
Kat
June 12th, 2012
10:23 pm
N8 @ 10:17 pm
We were 27-0 when leading after the 7th inning, so it is a shocker that in the 8th we lost the lead, and subsequently lost the game.
Farnsworthy
June 12th, 2012
10:23 pm
Maybe we are starting to see the real reason why the Marlins fired Fredi. He is simply in over his head. He needs to be managing in the minors (A or AA).
Brava
June 12th, 2012
10:23 pm
Chipper needs to take Fredi hunting with Dick Cheney.
Disgusted
June 12th, 2012
10:23 pm
It does not matte who the Braves bring in to manage now, this season is too far gone.
No one can ever do anything with this cowardly bunch. Gutless players who cannot step up in big games.
N8
June 12th, 2012
10:24 pm
‘Fredi Gonzalez should be fired before he gets to his office”
Would have been nice to see Wren in the dugout in the middle of that inning telling him to leave the bench and go clean out his office. Similar to when at the trade deadline a player gets traded in the middle of a game. Or when Bobby haulted the inning to pull Andruw from CF.
I really seriously hope he gets canned and soon. He’s that bad.
But hey….. why on earth wouldn’t Fredi make poor decisions from the bench. His president and GM made a horrible decision in hiring him in the first place.
Pretty much just compounding their bad decision is what he’s doing. “Trying to fit in” if you will….
Jerry
June 12th, 2012
10:24 pm
Time to go lick my wounds. Later all.
cabravesfan
June 12th, 2012
10:24 pm
TheOnlyBravesFan-
What would you like me to explain?
The A Bomb
June 12th, 2012
10:24 pm
The season can still be saved. Who cares if this team likes its manager?
Fact is, we’re developing starting pitching at the major league level. We sent down a top reliever to become a starter, thus losing bullpen depth. Kimbrel could go 4-5 outs on rest if need be.
This team needs the L.A. Kings plan — get a new commander in there and start kicking butt.
ccrider
June 12th, 2012
10:24 pm
phil, If you are not outraged by the managing of Fredi Gonzalez, you need to go follow another sport!
D.A. Nuggla
June 12th, 2012
10:25 pm
Chipper is the one player who wouldn’t get hurt much at all, if any, by throwing FG under the bus. If there’s ever been a time to do it, now’s the time. After last weekend he’s not too happy with him either anyway. If I was in CJ’s shoes right now, I would do it or bust!
Busch Leaguer
June 12th, 2012
10:25 pm
@Truth Hurts
You are right the Braves do have the worst fans,most of them turned into Yankee fans after the top of the 8th.It sounded like the Yankees were playing in New York in the 9th inning.
McFann :Ô: :Ô: :ô:
June 12th, 2012
10:25 pm
Seriously, though—was a good comeback, I’ll give him that. But really? You gotta fist pump and RUN out to the mound after K’ing a guy with the bases empty? Dude, get over yourself…
Frankie Wren
June 12th, 2012
10:25 pm
njbraves
June 12th, 2012
10:18 pm
Fredi Gonzalez should be fired before he gets to his office
Another pearl yet out of your mouth. Unless EOF was healthy then he shoulders blame. If he wasn’t available, then the moves he made probably are what most of current managers do. Not bringing in Kimbrel for two innings. Venters facing a lefty after the homerun and not taking him out with all righthanders in the bullpen. EOF had to be unavailable and he had no choice. Minor going against the heart of the order and pulling him a tough call.
Rough game, New Yorkers have a good team and better than we are.
uga-brave
June 12th, 2012
10:25 pm
I think fredo wanted to leave in venters long enough so that he would be credited with the L.
had to make sure he was credited with the blown save and the loss without the benefit of recording an out.
Matt Chernoff
June 12th, 2012
10:25 pm
DOB: Could you ask Fredi why he left Venters in? He was sure struggling tonight…
njbraves
June 12th, 2012
10:26 pm
Post game quotes will be the same ol’ crap. Nothing will change because of tonight’s game. The Braves are happy to be in the game…actually taking the steps to reach the upper level of teams isn’t important to them.
sirluciouscp
June 12th, 2012
10:26 pm
BC,
The damn hole is the guy u said they wont fire in the first third of the season. My high school coach could coach circles around this clown…How hard is it to watch the game, and then make a safe caculated decision..Send this clown back across the river.
McFann :Ô: :Ô: :ô:
June 12th, 2012
10:26 pm
Why am I still up, anyway? Must this day drag on forever?…Dear lord in heaven…
D.A. Nuggla
June 12th, 2012
10:26 pm
“ccrider”, me thinks “Phil” is that impostor who showed up at the Braves ceremonies last weekend.
JNick
June 12th, 2012
10:27 pm
I really wish Swisher would have choked on that wad of dip he had in as he was rounding the bases. Just watched the replays and wow…what a piss-poor show of sportsmanship.
TheOnlyBravesFan
June 12th, 2012
10:27 pm
We may not need a front-line starter, but we sure need a front-line right-handed reliever. I want Meds back, he didn’t need to be stretched out. That decision might have cost us 2 games…
prattvillenolzfan
June 12th, 2012
10:27 pm
radio crew who does post-game ( Jay Howell, and ????) are already making excuses……..It’s just part of the game!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
LakeDawg
June 12th, 2012
10:27 pm
Hell, Schuerholz is the MAIN reason the Braves are the chokers they are. Mr. Robot ran off any player who objected to that loser mentality. I’ve always said that the Braves wouldn’t turn it around until the last vestiges of that mentality were gone from the clubhouse. Only ones left are Chipper and Schuerholz. Unfortunately, they are breeding that mentality into the newer players as we speak.
sirluciouscp
June 12th, 2012
10:28 pm
Frankie Wren,
You are the epitomy of this sad town..always settling for second.
monty
June 12th, 2012
10:28 pm
I don’t know who that man impersonating Johnny Venters is, but he’s doing a crappy job of it.
nolie
June 12th, 2012
10:28 pm
actually rich I was mostly being contrary against the ranters with that puke it comment, he mighta gotten out of it and couldn’t have done worse, but we only know that in hindsight. I think the odds on play was to pull him, but who knows?
McFann :Ô: :Ô: :ô:
June 12th, 2012
10:28 pm
Nick Swisher is a wiener and an imp as well…Plunk him tomorrow…
Didn’t see the home-run trot, but I’ll take y’all’s word for it…
TheOnlyBravesFan
June 12th, 2012
10:28 pm
Ah, Minor was at that magic number (100), so he had to come out, even though he was having a great game… I feel so bad for him, he looked “mad” on the TV
smallmouth6
June 12th, 2012
10:28 pm
The Truth Hurts: I would agree with you most of the time. But—not tonight.
thegreatsowhat
June 12th, 2012
10:29 pm
Chipper for player/manager Pete Rose style for his last year!!
Dawg '88
June 12th, 2012
10:29 pm
That’s it for Fredi with me….he and Venters blew this game.
You don’t take a guy out who has shut out someone and only thrown 100 pitches. There was no sign that he was hurting, tired or losing it. Fredi blew it…just plain stupid!
There is no justification for this tonight. He made a moronic decision. He has to go. It was overmanaging and cost a young pitcher a game that he owned. Disgraceful idea to even consider removing Minor in that spot.
To compound it….he LETS Venters pitch to a righty and not have a righty ready in that spot. Venters has proven unreliable all year. Ball after ball after ball and then a a strike that costs the team the game. Sometimes the time to bring in a closer is NOT the 9th inning….its in the 8th when the heart of the order comes up FREDI….for crying out loud grow a brain.
Save the game when it needs saving….Hold Fredi accountable Dave. He was the reason for the disaster tonight. Call him on it!
N8
June 12th, 2012
10:29 pm
“We were 27-0 when leading after the 7th inning, so it is a shocker that in the 8th we lost the lead, and subsequently lost the game.”
OK. That’s a bit shocking based on the previous 27 times. Fair enough.
Not shocking though that after the first couple of batters it was evident that Venters wasn’t “on” and should have had a short leash.
The only thing shocking about the Arod slam was that it took him that many pitches to hit it.
Venters isn’t the same pitcher he was last year. So it’s time (it was time about 6-7 outings ago) to stop using him like he’s the same pitcher.
Besides, it’s Yankees/Braves. The Braves are the Yankees ragdolls. Have been for 16 years.
Frankie Wren
June 12th, 2012
10:29 pm
Venters looks great last night and if he gets the ball to Kimbrel to start the 9th, then everything in Braveland is fine and your set up guy and closer are clicking. Blame Venters for the loss, he was the guy who threw the baseball, not the manager. If EOF was available then way different story. Meds is stretching his arm to come back to the role he was in before he left no doubt.
Ted
June 12th, 2012
10:30 pm
Braves approve the contracts of Jay Howell and Ben Ingram. Any complaints they have will be polite.
ChattTownBrian (CTB)
June 12th, 2012
10:30 pm
Some sane perspective on tonight’s game:
Ok, take Minor out, keep his confidence up as he is prone to a quick downfall. Bring in Venters who’s been pitching well lately, fine. Leaving him in there when you know 100% clear as day he’s off again and is fighting it with every pitch? Plain crazy stuff there. Bringing in Gearrin in that sort of environment? No thanks.
Wait, I thought Fredi said he brough in Livan in high pressure spots was because he was an unrattled vet? Why then did he bring in the very unproven Gearrin in just as high a pressure spot?
I know I said sane post at the top, but Fredi makes a sane person insane.