2:37 pm June 12, 2012, by David O'Brien
June 12th, 201210:03 pm
DOWN ON THE FARM
DiMASTHER DELGADO outduels WIL ROBERTS to win a tight 2-1 game. HILLCATS offense consists of only four hits.
SS NICK AHMED [.254 BA] 1-3, 1 R.
2B TOMMY LaSTELLA [.269 BA] 2-3, 1 R, 1 3B .
DH ADAM MILLIGAN [.267 BA] 1-2, 2 RBI .
LHSP DiMASTHER DELGADO [3.78 ERA] 6.1 IP, 7 H, 1 R/ER, 0 BB, 2 SO. Despite pitching an excellent game, the reliefer gets the win.
RHRP JUAN JAIME [W 1-2, 4.13 ERA] 0.2 IP, perfection.
HILLCATS up 2-1 through four.
J.R. GRAHAM throwing a three-hitter at the MUDCATS. HILLCATS being two-hit thru three by MIKE GOODNIGHT. ADAM MILLIGAN blasts a solo  HR in the bottom of the frame.
Don’t know for sure of course, but Jonny was just getting his groove back and throwing him in the fire was a bad choice. Then leaving him in there to get hammered is mind blowing.
I’m curious. How long would you guys have pitched Minor? 120, 140, 200 pitches? Who else would you have brought in other than Venters there? How long would YOU have pitched him? 1 batter? 2? 3?
Walk this way.
Cap: Where’s My Tip @ 10:00 pm
why some people are attacking DOB is beyond me, without him these blogs don’t happen and you don’t get to spew your garbage
Took the words right out of my mouth. But I guess that’s why we have a scroll bar, to scroll right past the comments; although no need for people to get personal like they do. But that’s why they all hide behind their screens.
I will say it again, something is seriously wrong with Venters. And more importantly, Fredi G.
No problem with minor coming out. He did more than anyone was expecting tonight and things can blow up in a hurry on our young pitchers. Good question though about why not EOF in the 8th? Venters had a good night last night but has done nothing in pressure situations except blow leads
“The Yankees probably make more money on the side than the Braves do on attendance.”
Time to put this canard to bed. The Braves are 2nd in the majors as far a viewership, and they are raking in the dough. Liberty Media isn’t keeping this team because they are losing money on it. They are making a killing.
The money is there. The desire to put forth a winner with the best money can buy isn’t.
Bay Area Steve
“Repeating your comment will not get you a response”
Anybody know what does? It’s really hard when you can’t find the courage. I’ve been trying for a week.
Sports South just loves rubbing our faced in it showing that GS again.
June 12th, 201210:04 pm
in the 9th for braves 2.3.4 and no more
The A Bomb
This is too good a roster to constantly have its heart ripped out by a manager who missteps every single game at some point.
And if I’m a betting man, I think Wren and upper management have the same opinion.
Get someone in who’s going to stick his size 12 up people’s behinds. This team needs to start grinding out wins and stop acting like wussies. And it’s not only Venters.
@The Truth Hurts — Much of the hate is carried over from last September and unless the Braves win it all he will live with that collapse from here on end.
That collapse has not been forgiven, and will not be for a long time. Its about results.
If they do not get to the WS, this team is in PR trouble. Real trouble. They have lost their relationship with their fans but that is a long story for one post.
Show some nads Braves and Dust off the Preening Ass A-roid.
Wasted a great start by Minor as well. Minor can’t go back to AAA after this start, true
Jeff Schultz is a columnist, NOT a beat writer. He is paid to write an OPINION. DOB is paid to write a story, based on fact, about the game.
Just an observation as someone who has been around this blog for a while, but unless I’m just that forgetful, I don’t recall anyone being in Fredi’s corner. There’s been alot against him, and still more like myself that don’t go crazy talking about his incompetence because it’s like beating a dead horse. Makes me wonder what the thoughts are outside of this blog. What I’m trying to say is, how can Fredi be allowed to continue when there are not many in his corner?
even though every team including the Braves will lose at least 60 games, every single one of them is a big deal to some of you . It ain’t football, they are gonna lose a lot of games, they ALL do.
a little perspective please folks
June 12th, 201210:05 pm
DOB…where are you???…just to comment about ARod record!!!…Come on man …said something about your friend manager donkey monkey Gonzalez…you are a Sport comentator…said something about this “MORON” COX PORTRAIT…be with the Fans…you know better…make noise…do something…make comments about all this idiots….!@##@@%%$$$!!!!
Tomahawk Mafia, seriously?? The ball that Jeter hit was a ball well out of Ugglas reach.
Kerryb…easy, because unlike you, he can’t manage with 20-20 hindsight.
“man it is so embarrassing to agree with N8…., but I just gotta this time…”
I’m sorry nolie. I grasp and appreciate how hard that had to be for you to type. LOL
jonny depends too much on the batter and not enough on throwing good strikes, if a batter chooses to not swing there is a very high probability that jonny will walk him, jonny is not a good natural strike pitcher, i think they need to send him back to minors to wrok it out and call up the next good arm, we cant keep running him out there and keep blowing it, i mean look at his era for crying out loud, something needs to happen!
Venters had a bad night, and something HAS to be physically wrong with him. He was lights out last year and looks lost this year. EOF must be hurting as it made no sense bringing in Gearrin to face a lefty. Wow, things got ugly fast in the 7th. Very disappointing.
Ric Flair to Right
Still cant understand FG reason for yanking Minor…one baserunner end his night? he has to be the worst in game manager in baseball
Venters. No control whatsoever. Loss in Velocity. He is a shadow of his former self. No, he’s a shadow of a shadow of his former self.
Yes, O.J. Big moron, no courage. It sucks for me, really.
How much longer is Wren going to go on without making moves? Till were 6,7,8,9+? games back? I mean at this rate we’ll be 10 games back next week. What’s gonna give?
June 12th, 201210:06 pm
kerryb trying watching the game on the YES Network (Yankees Entertainment and Sports)… I’d take SS any day.
oh yell we can get um out now.
stizz….you’re absolutely right. Way too many fans are happy to be a decent team. This team has a ton of talent, but is being run by a total moron.
Fredi Gonzalez makes me want to puke, and so does Venters
That’s gonna be the looming question if we don’t come back in the bottom half:
Where was Eric O’Flaherty?
If minor and Delgado get it together wonder if the Medlen to the rotation work in AAA will cease
Ok…this is a terrible loss, and I have long thought Fredi Gonzalez is the worst manager in all of MLB and all of Atlanta Braves history for that matter. But with that said…. people need to calm themselves.. this is the FIRST game the Braves have lost this season when leading after 6 innings people! That is a fact…before this game the Braves were 27-0 when leading after 6, 25-0 when leading after 7, and 24-0 when leading after 8. So as bad as Johnny Venters has been this is the FIRST game he (or any other reliever on the team) has lost for us. I dont even really count Livan’s the other day because our starter only went 4 1/3 or whatever, and left the bases loaded up by only 3 runs, and it was only in the 5th, so they still have 1/2 a ballgame left. So, what im saying is as bad as our bullpen has been this year, they have won EVERY opportunity in which the offense has gotten us the lead by the 6th inning, and it is JUNE 12th by my calender. Kimbrel is 18 of 19 in saves, and that one blown save we won in extras anyways. Yes, I think Kimbrel should have worked the 5 out save, or better yet have Minor finish the 8th and Kimbrel pitch the 9th. I dont agree with putting Venters in their as bad as he’s been lately, but hindsight is 20/20 and the way the Yankees were hitting they probably would have pounded O’Flaherty too. It happens, no team goes 100-0 without blowing an 8th inning lead ALL year. This is the first time we have lost a game in the 8th inning all year and it is June 12th…just thought I would say that again…
This game should have been nailed down. Not like it was just a 1 run game. Gotta buckle down with a 4 run lead and put them away. Definitely at home…
What’s wrong with Venters? He keeps bouncing his slider 3 feet in front of the plate. He threw 3 in a row to A Rod. Over and Over and over until he had to throw him fastballs. He will not give up on that slider even though he can’t get it to the plate.
Fricking went from a 6 game winning streak and 1 game behind the Nats, to a 3 game losing streak and 4 games behind in a hurry. This manager is a joke.
Yes, exactly. That ball rolled slowly through in the infield and should have been turned into an out.
June 12th, 201210:07 pm
If the Braves pull this one out, FG should STILL have to answer tough questions about his ‘pen management. The way he handles his relievers is downright Coxian…and ‘pen management was unquestionably the worst aspect of Bobby’s game…
I think this loss is a big deal. Blew a 4-run lead in the 8th. Key cog in the bullpen fails again. Going to lose another game in the standings. Bad loss.
I got a 80 million dollar payroll and I’m supposed to beat a 200 million dollar payroll? Go fys
The Truth Hurts
So its WS or bust after not having seen a WS since before the millenium? That unreasonable standard is precisely my point.
Again nine left on base. Nobody wants to blame the offense. That is a runner an inning plus whatever is left in the ninth if any.
Venters is a Headcase
I would love to have a dollar for every time in the last 5 years I have watched the Braves management let someone who needed to be sent out to get straightened out, continue to remain on the roster to “work it out” with the big league club. Virtually every time, it resulted in losses for the club.
Just how many games can a team afford to throw away during the season while trying to let a player work out his woes on the field?
I’m beginning to wonder about McDowell. All of the Braves’ pitchers are turning into head cases.
Vintage Fredi Gonzales. What more can you say? Destroying the confidence of players and the team by putting it all on the guy whom everyone knew was struggling.
I just love how some of the brats on here are blaming DOB for this debacle. As if he’s the manager of this team.
June 12th, 201210:08 pm
Rally caps here. At least save the doomsday until the game is over IF we lose. 2,3, and 4 hitters. Need a base runner then we have a chance
It isn’t that Fredi screwed up tonight. It’s that he screwed up Sunday and in the game at Cincy and countless other times. Even if the Braves win tonight, it wouldn’t make his decision in the 8th correct, which was ironically my point earlier.
They will go down quietly.
June 12th, 201210:09 pm
Venters can’t locate. Can’t throw his slider at all. His sinker isn’t sinking. His velo is down 3-5 MPH.
Don’t know if that’s the best strategy – walk the bases loaded & leave the left-hander in to face the greatest right-handed HR hitter of all time.
No problem with minor coming out. He did more than anyone was expecting tonight and things can blow up in a hurry on our young pitchers. Good question though about why not EOF in the 8th?
That’s my biggest question. Saw Venters killing the dirt and said no problem, its the 8th and we have EOF. Looked and saw who got up in the pen and prayed for Jonny to get his crap together. Just sucks because when the guy was on he made the best hitters of the game look like crap. Just hasn’t been that way this season except on rare occasions. I hope he gets it back but until he does I think we need to give up the Meds as a starter bit or get to working on finding some more help for the bp and its likely not coming from our minors.
Braves will not trade for a front line pitcher. Thank you very much Liberty Media.
Freeman really needs to get his stroke back. He has gotten completely out of sinc since the eye issue
The Braves are 2nd in the majors as far a viewership, and they are raking in the dough…
how do you equate viewership with raking in dough? They have a terrible contract with the station that has that viewership. Unless that viewership is in the seats, it is pretty chump change. There is no canard about the Yanks raking in the dough and being able to spend, and the Braves raking in a whole lot less and not being able to afford good contracts or the ability to make a mistake with a player and go out and refill that spot. Viewership be damned
Agreeing with N8 and nolie. I could do a heckuva lot worse.
If you are worried about McDowell, just remember Gonzales is the guy who offered to re-up Parish’s contract without any post season anaylsis. We have had a lot of inept coaches, but Fredi may be in first place in that contest.
June 12th, 201210:10 pm
I’m with you…watching game on MLB, which is carrying the YES feed. Disgusting
Venters had a bad night?
He’s had a bad year.
Nurse Ratched [aka Randal Patrick McMurphy]
Fredi Gonzales has LOST this team. They’ve got some real talented players, but the *cough* coaching & game management is HORRIFIC!!! If the mgmt upstairs can’t see this, there isn’t ANY hope for this franchise. You can see it now gang, this organization DOES NOT CARE about putting a championship team on the field; they’re more interested in ‘product’, just play well enuff to put some fannies in the seats so the stockholders don’t get antsy. And this is the organizational model many in baseball strive to achieve?!? For what reasoning?!?
Time to jettison the ‘dead weight’ if there’s to be ANY hope of making the play-offs & going deep into the post-season… I hope you didn’t buy any Atlanta real estate Fredi – bad investment… |-)
And really this game isnt even technically over, as inept as this offense is at times, they may get lucky and hit a 3 run homer in the 9th and win, and still be undefeated after 6 at 28-0. Im just saying we all know our Braves “manager” is terrible, and we should grudgingly learn to temper our expectations… If its June 12th and Fredi has just blown his first 6th inning lead, then that is a step in the right direction for such an incredibly stupid human being, one blown game late every 3 months or so I can live with from this knuckle dragger.
We had a 4 run lead at home, regardless of how many runners LOB this game should have been nailed down. We even tacked on another insurance run before there big inning. We had complete control and all of the momentum.
Instead of a frontline starter, the Braves need to trade for a whole new bullpen save Kimbrel.
A major league reliever does not give up 4 runs in the 8th with one out. PERIOD!
All of the position players and Mike Minor should just beat the crap out of Johnny Venters after the game.
This team does not have a ton of talent, it is not that good. Its also too young & some of the expected potential of some of these core players is looking more and more like fools gold.
And Venters is not just having one bad game, he is having a rotten miserable year.
I do not blame Fredi for the move taking Minor out, but he is accountable for the results. Its not working.
Braves do not need to trade for a front line starter. They do need to trade for a front line 8th inning set up man
June 12th, 201210:11 pm
The only guy Fredi needs in his corner is Frank Wren. And he was Frank’s pick to replace Bobby.
Like they always say, it’s better to be the guy that follows the guy that follows the legend.
Furthermore, I thought it’s the job of a pitching coach to sell his manager on who needs to be in….
Kimbrel can’t get a 5-out save?
You kidding me?
Nationals win again.
The Truth Hurts
June 12th, 2012
I wonder who will be man or woman enough to give the real reason you don’t like Fredi.
the racist genius is back! Welcome.
cab @10:04 I feel like we can say that until we’re blue in the face (and I say that w/ a smile), but people who complain about who at AJC should hold Fredi accountable (Schultz, DOB, Rogers, etc) don’t ever take the time to read and analyze the differences in the articles, blogs, opinion pieces or even comments on a blog. That would involve critical thinking skills, of which if they had they wouldn’t be complaining about it in the first place, because they’d know the facts.
June 12th, 201210:12 pm
Well atleast McCann finally has more doubles than Pastornicky
“I dont agree with putting Venters in their as bad as he’s been lately, but hindsight is 20/20 and the way the Yankees were hitting they probably would have pounded O’Flaherty too.”
Wow, Minor shuts them down all night, gives up a single then suddenly the Yanks are such a hitting machine that EOF probably couldn’t have retired them?
Gimme a break! lol
It is also a big deal because of the schedule that we have. Schedule is tough. Can’t be losing games up 4-0 with 1 out in the 8th.
Friends…I take no pleasure in saying to you all: Gonzalez has little to no potential to be a Champion, he simply doesn’t have the necessary ‘make-up.’ I think many of you are seething as I am tonight, EOF has not worked since friday; he is having a better year than Ventblow….no excuse…it is simple Fredi–field your best nine all the time. How hard is this to understand? It is, again, highly unlikely that Fredi Gonzalez will ever be a Champ on the MLB level, the formula he is currently employing has failed in critical games repeatedly
June 12th, 201210:13 pm
we always lose the most important series, the statement makers, got swept by phillies, another possible sweep in the making here, always looking bad against washington, kind of like the Hawks but slightly better!
I want everybody to think on what I’m about to say. Freddie Gonzales is one of the worst managers in the game today. He doesn’t know how to read his players and he always putting the wrong pitcher in the game at the wrong time. Remember when the Braves played Toronto Blue Jay’s in they were leading 4 to 0 in the bottom of the 5th. They had a rookie pitcher pitching his heart out, he gave up one run in the bottom of that inning and Braves manager took him out and replace him with Hernandez. Now, Hernandez hasn’t pitch in about two weeks. How can you bring in a pitcher in a bases loaded situation that haven’t pitch in two weeks. In then leave him in the game to long. We lost 12 to 4. I’m watching tonight game another young pitcher is pitching his heart out. Top of the 8 we are leading 4 to 0. Our pitcher gives up a hit after he gets one out. Our manager comes and take him out and replace him with Venters. Now, Venters have been struggling all this season, especially against lefties. He gaves up a hit to Cano and then walks the next guy. Bases loaded just like that and the rest is history. Why bring in pitcthers that have struggle in, “when the games are still on the line”. I want everybody to pay attention to some of these changes our manager is making, because they are causing us games. These games are just important as for the games played in September. Every Game Counts!!!!
I hate Fredi because he’s black, Phil!
Well, I was headed across country to the West coast, but looks like maybe I should shut’er down right here in Kansas, and wait to head back to Atlanta. Came up just one short last time and headed to Houston.
Position players have nothing to complain about. A 3run double and a ground out RBI is all we have to show on offense
I don’t think there would have been anything wrong with bringing in Captain K either.
June 12th, 201210:14 pm
Instead of trading for a frontline pitcher, could we trade for a frontline manager?
Offense could have done more tonight, Uggla cost us a run earlier. This team has been inconsistent in every facet of the game yet they have one of the best records in the game. Just imagine what would happen if we got our crap together.
Jason Heyward stands too close to the plate
MFIKY is tough.
We just roll over and die offensively after the bull pen lays a turd!
And the entire Yankees team, tips their caps to Fredi G as they walk off the field.
Eddie Haas II.
Braves were on a 6 game winning streak until this series, it’s not like they’re not capable of winning.. the team has the goods but is just so streaky.
This is a tough one to swallow four shore. Dammit!
The awesome thing is … we get to go to NY next week and get swept again
SoWeGa Fanatic you asked how long I would have left Minor? Certainly for one more batter. We don’t know that it wouldn’t have been a ground ball. So now he is through 8 with 105 pitches or so. Then we are on to Kimbrel. or we let him go out again in the 9th. If I’m taking him out I would put in EOF. We’ve been doing that in the 8th for 3 weeks, why not now?
Damn proud of the Yankees. Good job.
Man, Soriano looked like Cy Young.
Lets see how Chip and Joe sugar coat this one.
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