Braves quotes after Tuesday’s loss to Yankees

**FREDI GONZALEZ

Toughest loss of year?

“I think so. For a lot of different reasons, obviously. But I think it was a tough one for all of us, including myself. Minor was outstanding. He really was good, and then that eighth inning we couldn’t get an out there when we needed to. They’ve got a good club. They took an opportunity and they beat us. It was a tough one to swallow. Hopefully Huddy will go out tomorrow and give us a good outing and get back on the winning ways.”

Were you giving Minor one baserunner before removing in 8th?

“Yeah. I think we pushed him as far as we could push him. He did a helluva job. He did a terrific job. Shame he didn’t get the W because he really deserved to get the W, and we didn’t do it for him.”

On using Gearrin there, not O’Flaherty

“O’Flaherty wasn’t available. O’Flaherty hasn’t been available for a couple of days and he may not be available for a couple, two more. Arm. He woke up yesterday morning a little sore and we backed off on him. It may be three, four more days, we’ll try to stay away from him.”

Elbow or shoulder?

“Elbow.”

On whether playing with short bullpen without Medlen last few days

“I think the only time that it really has come out and you feel like it bit you in the butt a little bit was the game against Toronto on Sunday. The fifth inning? That was the only time you felt that in what 14-15 days he’s been down there, it’s the first time you said, ‘Maybe if we had Medlen….’ Other than that, even today, it was not Medlen’s situation. It was the right guy in the situation and we just didn’t get it done.”

On having just talking about Venters before the game, about how he was showing good signs

“It’s always the same thing, right? We talk about somebody good, and then, you know. Maybe that first ground ball Granderson hits, it goes through the hole, maybe if it’s hit at somebody it’s a different ballgame. But if, should have and could have, you can’t get those in this game. We’ve still got to get a couple outs there and then hand the ball over to Kimbrel and it just didn’t happen.”

On what he said to Minor coming off the mound

“I thought it was a helluva job. He did a terrific job. He gave us a hell of an opportunity to win and he deserved to go back out there in the eighth inning and try to get through the eighth. I don’t think he had a chance to go a complete game but he had an opportunity to go out there and go hitter to hitter. And we had the right guys set up in the eighth inning, with the left-hander and with Jonny, and it didn’t happen.”

Offense had some more earlier opportunities

“You could go back, but you feel comfortable with a four-run lead and with five outs to go and we have a good chance. Traditionally we’ve closed those ballgames out, and it just didn’t happen to us tonight.”

On Medlen’s outing tonight, what it means, etc.

“We can talk about that tomorrow. I haven’t even really checked. Let’s not take anything away from Mikey today. He did a terrific job.”

Part of discussion will be whether to use Medlen as starter or reliever?

“Let’s discuss that tomorrow. We haven’t even discussed that. Yeah, he could … whatever.”

**MIKE MINOR

“Even though I pitched well it doesn’t make me feel that great. Even though I pitched well, I still want the team to win. But it’s something to work off of and hopefully carry into the next start.”

What was different tonight, looked like a different guy against a dominant lineup?

“I located well tonight with the fastball. The last couple of starts it’s been pretty much everywhere. We mixed in all my pitches for strikes and kept them off balance all night. Early on it was more breaking stuff, sliders and curveballs, and then later on it was more change-ups, just to try to keep them off balance.”

What can a game like that do for you?

“It makes me feel good. I took the last game into this one, because I felt good the last game even though I only went five. But I really didn’t feel intimidated just because it was the Yankees. Still had to execute pitches and it worked out, because I felt good and I was locating well.”

On focusing on pounding the strike zone

“I threw a lot of strikes and tried to work both sides of the plate. We have a big field. A couple of those balls at their park might have gone out. But here it’s a little bit bigger.”

Disappointed or surprised you were taken out in eighth?

“No, I wasn’t surprised. We have a lot of guys in the bullpen that can take on that role and pick me up out there. I was approaching 100 pitches. That’s just what happens. Guys get fatigued out there. I wouldn’t say I was fatigued, but I have all the confidence in the world that those guys in the bullpen will pick me up out there.

So you still felt strong?

“Yeah, I still felt good. But that’s not my call. And I’ll never question that call.”

On whether he felt any pressure to pitch well with Medlen make last of 3 scheduled starts at Triple-A

“No, I didn’t even know he was pitching. I actually don’t even think about that, because the only thing I can control is when I go out there, and I’m not going to put extra pressure on myself. No, I really didn’t think about that. If that’s what they were doing, I can’t stop them anyway…

“They’ve seen me when I’ve pitched well and they know what I have. It’s just a matter of if I’m going to be consistent enough this year to stay up here.”

**JONNY VENTERS

On blowing big lead

“I have no excuses today. I felt great mechanically. Felt great physically. Just got behind some hitters, walked a guy, and threw a pitch right down the middle 3-2 to one of the best players in the game. There’s no excuses. Mike threw the ball really well tonight and it’s a shame to waste that start. He looked really good. I feel bad. I let my team down. I didn’t do my job.”

On falling behind 3-and-0 to A-Rod

“I felt frustrated because I felt good, and I just couldn’t make an adjustment to make a good pitch. I fell behind right there and I didn’t want to walk him. Maybe looking back I should have made a conscious effort to not leave that ball over the plate. I mean, I wasn’t trying to leave it over the plate, but maybe a walk right there is not terrible, with a lefty on deck and one of the best players who ever played the game hitting. But it is what it is. I made a bad pitch and he crushed it.

“Like I said, it’s a shame. Mike threw the ball really well. I felt great, I just didn’t make any pitches.

On making recent progress

“I’ve been feeling better every time I’ve been out there. Today’s unfortunate. The ball’s down for the most part; I know it was out of the zone, but that’s a good indication for me, that I’m doing a little better.”

Where were you trying to locate that pitch

“Attack him. Throw the ball down and get a ground ball. Unfortunately I threw a sinker that stayed up. It was right down the middle.”

“It’s about making pitches, especially in that situation. It’s tough to let that guy beat you because of who he is. I was trying to make a pitch and just didn’t do it.”

**DAN UGGLA

On Minor

“He had them off balance all night. They only had four or five hits. I thought he looked great. He looked really confident, like he could throw any pitch at any time. That’s the Mikey Minor we know.”

On having some opportunities against Sabathia and not cashing in

“Yeah, but we got to him in the first, and Mikey did a great job. We weren’t able to tack on anymore. We got one more in the sixth or seventh, but weren’t able to blow it open. CC’s a veteran guy who’s going to bear down and keep his team in the game. That’s what he did, and the next thing you know they put themselves in position to tie and go ahead, and they took advantage of it.”

On Venters

“There’s not a guy in this room that doesn’t have all the confidence in the world when he comes in. He’s had a bad run. It’s been hard for him to be consistent. But his stuff is still as good as ever, and just have to get that confidence back in him, get back in the strike zone and just be him. I’m sure he’s doing everything he can do get back on track.”

**CHIPPER JONES

On dealing with loss like this

“You’ve got to flush it. That’s why we play this game, man. Every day is a new opportunity, it’s a new game. When you start dwelling on the last couple of days or yesterday, that’s how you get yourself into bad funks. We let an opportunity slip away tonight, but it’s probably not going to be the last one in the course of the year. That’s part of being a professional, you’ve got to come to work every day and do your job.

“And we did our job for eight-ninths of the game tonight. Unfortunately the one-ninth that we didn’t take care of cost us the game.”

On Minor’s performance

“By far, far and away his best outing in the big leagues. He was dominant and pitched real well. I hope he can use that start tonight to continue on in his growing process.”

186 comments Add your comment

blueridge

June 13th, 2012
12:00 am

What Fredi should have said, “Yeah, I’ll take this one- it’s on me tonight”

Fredi Will Screw It Up Somehow

June 13th, 2012
12:01 am

“Yeah, he could … whatever.”

Now THAT’S a manager who can get ‘em fired up!

Smack

June 13th, 2012
12:02 am

Why didn’t you ask Freddi why not Kimbrel in the 8th?

DV

June 13th, 2012
12:04 am

At least Kimbrel will be fresh tomorrow. In case we have a 3 run lead in the 9th.

bulldozer

June 13th, 2012
12:08 am

bad night. forget about it. WIN tomorrow

Biff Pocoroba

June 13th, 2012
12:17 am

I wonder how dumb the Braves must feel by jacking up the ticket prices for this series and then having to discount them the past week and still having 10000 empty seats There is no leadership in this organization right now and the seson ended tonight as Fredi just tossed the season away just like last year.

Mister Frisky

June 13th, 2012
12:17 am

Another night of turd in the punch bowl comments.Just once Fredi and his group of choking dogs could say something that resembles insight.Fire FG,Trade McCracker Barrel,get a 3b or lf er.Chipper to pinch hit cuz you know the DL is around the corner.Medlen back to the pen,and flush Fatske and Wilsuck.

Beltrans Right ear Mole

June 13th, 2012
12:18 am

“I felt frustrated because I felt good, and I just couldn’t make an adjustment to make a good pitch”

Be nice to have a pitching coach help out with that by now, wouldn’t it?

TOMY FOURNIER

June 13th, 2012
12:20 am

EXCUSES AND EXCUSES AND EXCUSES…SAME LAST YEAR AND WILL BE THE SAME END IN THIS YEAR…YEAPPPPPPP!!!!!
Please fans…..boicot the braves(adm.)…not buy more game tickets if they not fire “MONKEY DONKEY F. GONZALEZ….CUBAN “marielito”…………………………………………………………………sh…………………………

Bob Didier

June 13th, 2012
12:22 am

Need to learn the Glavine approach. Don’t give in and walk one in, but don’t give up the grand slam. Glavine said that is not how others approach it, but that is his theory. Better to give up one at a time, than 4.

NorCal Brave

June 13th, 2012
12:23 am

Anyway you slice it, this is a completely demoralizing loss. Minor’s pitching a career game, in a rhythm and mowing down the Yankees. And out comes not ready Fredi to call on “His Wildness,” Mr. Venters. I guarantee you there will be no late season collapse this season, because it’s happening right now.

iTiSi

June 13th, 2012
12:24 am

Wow, was that a “softball” press conference or what? The obvious question many are asking was not even broached. “Why not go ahead and bring Kimbrel in right there to face A-Rod? Is he only allowed to pitch the 9th inning?” Nobody had the guts to ask it. I do believe they are afraid he will “bite their heads off” and they will go home crying. It’s just a shame there’s no one around to ask the tough questions that need to be asked.

Fats

June 13th, 2012
12:25 am

Venters could not hit the side of a barn the whole time he was out there. That’s all. It happens,but like Jones says……………….Forget about it………………we still have a 100 games

Beltrans Right ear Mole

June 13th, 2012
12:35 am

These are the ones even my grandmother was screaming about as they happened.

Of course this latest pile of poor managerial decisions took off with Livan when the game was still on Sunday. I say that and I am huge Livan fan but you got to know when to use him. After ten days rest and in the KEY spot in ta game you still do not have control of was not it.

Tonight…

Diaz removed too soon. Miracle Heyward got wood on the ball.

Pulling Minor – he was not tired; he was not throwing it down the middle, he was pitching good – full command. Let him have a couple a batters to see if he can get through the inning then you slam them with Kimbrel. Especially since Eric was not available. It was a NO BRANER. Jeter hits a good pitch on the ground to right for a hit – I think Jeter has only done that like 9,000 times in his career, Fredi, it was NOT a sign your pitcher was losing it. But Fredi was only going to let him go one batter. Fredi had already decided to make a knee jerk wrong move. Nothing would change that, not even a dribbler hit.

Jonny may have been better the last two outings but he was also getting line drive outs, not what I would call being “back.” Which Venters pitch in the dirt did Fredi not see?

Gearin? At that time? Is that the same Gearin just called up who pitched two innings the night before?

The Braves have a good team, they can win this but it is clear, even if they do, their “leader” is the worst tactical manager to have finagled a managers’ job. Even if we made the playoffs, does anyone think Fredi won’t make a key managerial blunder at the wrong time? The only ingredient you need is a close game, he will take it from there. Seriously, anyone want to take that bet?

Never underestimate the power of poor managerial decisions to demoralize a team.

Ron Roberts

June 13th, 2012
12:45 am

This one’s on Fredi, period. How you opt to warm up the ‘pen with only one guy ready to go, in the 8th, needing just five outs .. is beyond me.

When the cameras panned to the bullpen and nobody was warming up – I wast just flabbergasted. I don’t care HOW short-handed the bullpen was! You bring in your “stopper” this late in the game. Get out of there with zero or one run scored and bring someone else in for the 9th. I just don’t get how Fredi can be such a terrible bullpen manager.

Beltrans Right ear Mole

June 13th, 2012
12:47 am

Were you giving Minor one baserunner before removing in 8th?

“Yeah. I think we pushed him as far as we could push him. …

That is an astonishing statement. So, if Jeter topped a dribbler to third and Chipper muffed it, Minor had to go?

Just look at Minor’s quote –

“So you still felt strong?

“Yeah, I still felt good.”

Fredi hasn’t a clue what he is doing.

This is a team loaded with talent, imo. Granny could manage them to 88 wins. But you have to have a manager to get the most out of them. As the poor Fredi decisions pile up and the team makes other mistakes that you wouldn’t expect…keep it in mind..

Never underestimate the power of poor managerial decisions to demoralize a team.

TuffShhhtuff

June 13th, 2012
12:54 am

Very surprised that CJ didn’t throw FG “the robot” under the bus after that debacle tonight. He could have and should have. What does he have to lose? Somebody has to speak up sooner or later or it will just continue. I’m wondering now, does FG maybe have ‘pics’ on a lot of people? Is that why so many are afraid to open their mouths, or cross him with a tough question that needs to be asked?

Bobby's Cox

June 13th, 2012
12:56 am

Beltran’s right ear mole,

I agree, a seeing eye single was/is not a sign your pitcher is losing it. Total knee jerk reaction with a four run lead. Fredi was thinking too much about protecting his pitcher than winning a game after losing the previous two in the midst of a hard interleague schedule.

Last week Fredi said he wanted to mix things up and not be so predictable, but replacing a starter after giving up 1 hit late in the game has been a pattern. Minor was at 100 pitches and could have gone another hitter or two, or three if he retired those hitters, possibly bridging the gap to Kimbrel.

Slips

June 13th, 2012
12:59 am

lol@people who think this is fredi’s loss. he’s lost a few and he’s won a few this year, but this one isn’t his loss. Next time we’re up 4-0 PLEASE bring in Venters. The man has earned the benefit of the doubt…especially in a game that ISN’T CLOSE!! Anybody saying to bring in Kimbrel in the 8th over JV in that situation IN PARTICULAR is just wrong. Who’s the better pitcher? Kimbrel, no doubt. Who needs to pitch the 9th inning? The better pitcher and closer Craig Kimbrel. Who needs to pitch the 8th? JV. I will say, though, that was a really terrible loss. But we’re 34-28…chill with the collapse talk.

nashvillewill

June 13th, 2012
1:00 am

Fredi has lost my confidence, and, I fear, the confidence of the pitching staff and the team. What does Minor really think about FG blowing his best start? What does Kimbrel think about not being used (or even warmed up) in the crucial situation of the game? What does Venters think, since he obviously needs help from some source and is not getting it? This has to be the worst team in handling its pitchers in MLB. McDowell is not helping, but this situation is entirely on FG, just like last year’s debacle.

Andrelton Simmons

June 13th, 2012
1:01 am

+1000000 to this post below

iTiSi
June 13th, 2012
12:24 am

Wow, was that a “softball” press conference or what? The obvious question many are asking was not even broached. “Why not go ahead and bring Kimbrel in right there to face A-Rod? Is he only allowed to pitch the 9th inning?” Nobody had the guts to ask it. I do believe they are afraid he will “bite their heads off” and they will go home crying. It’s just a shame there’s no one around to ask the tough questions that need to be asked.

esasc4

June 13th, 2012
1:03 am

That was no slider, that was a fastball, right down the middle, arod had just fouled off 2 other fastballs, so his timing was right on the next pitch, wow, who calls for a straight fastball, excuse me straight slider when pitching to arod? changeup? curve, deep inside slider, high pitch, off the plate away, anything but straight down the middle fastball, sorry, slider.

Andrelton Simmons

June 13th, 2012
1:06 am

I’m not as mad about him bringing in Venters because Venters has proven time and again that he can get it done in that situation as I am with him bringing Gearrin in to pitch the next inning.

It was 4-4 in the 8th and you bring in Cory Gearrin a kid you just called up from Triple A to pitch against the Yankees in a tied game in the 8th?????????

WTF do you think is going to happen Fredi G? Obviously he’s going to give up runs and he did. That was the biggest mistake of the night imo. This is one of the many reasons Fredi G just isn’t a good MLB manager. The Braves will never win anything of meaning with Fredi G as the Manager. I would be shocked if Frank Wren actually believed that the Braves could win a World Series with Fredi G as the manager.

Andrelton Simmons

June 13th, 2012
1:10 am

Fredi G was a .500 at best manager in Florida I don’t know why anybody would think he would be able to win anything of any importance in Atlanta. His track record shows he hasn’t EVER been able to get it done or even get in the playoffs much less win it all. The Atlanta Braves WILL NEVER WIN A WORLD SERIES WITH FREDI G AS THEIR MANAGER.

Frank Wren needs to step up and make a managerial change not during the season, but definitely after the season. The fan base has already lost pretty much all hope in him and it’s only a matter of time before the Atlanta media steps up and starts asking the “tough questions” and grilling him. By then pressure will build for Frank Wren to do something and I believe he will..At least I hope he will…

Anthony

June 13th, 2012
1:14 am

Why not ask Fredi why he refused to use his best pitcher. 5 outs from Kimbrel and we go from the worst loss of the year to one of the best.

Oregon Brave

June 13th, 2012
1:18 am

Diaz made Fredi look like genius early on against CC with the lefty/righty thing. What I don’t get is why the genius pulled the lefty/righty thing off the table with the bases full in the 7th. Diaz have his quota of RBIs? His palm frond act up? Puzzles the tar outa me.

Brad

June 13th, 2012
1:25 am

Of Kimbrel’s 123 appearances, only two have lasted longer than one inning (a 10-4 loss in 2010, and once in 2011 in which he picked up a blown save). At this point in his career, it’s hard to believe that Kimbrel is a two-inning closer.

That said, I think it was pretty obvious Venters should not have faced A-Rod after demonstrating an inability to throw quality strikes. A-Rod’s OPS is nearly 100 points higher against lefties this season, and Venters has been unusually homer-prone this season.

This loss drops the Braves to **only** 34-1 when leading after 7 innings, and that’s a winning percentage I can get behind. Chalk this one up to just being beaten by a very good Yankee team. Minor pitched brilliantly and deserved better than a ND, but just come out tomorrow and put this behind you.

jj

June 13th, 2012
1:28 am

I heard this same BS for years..Same crap over and over. fredi sounds like Obozo never tells the truth and always got a damn excuse and everything is good.. I’ll be glad when both are gone. Take that sorry McDowell with him.

jj

June 13th, 2012
1:30 am

Venter has a era of 7.15 very good 8th inning pitcher…lol

Nevada Roy

June 13th, 2012
1:38 am

Get Medlin back quick but for the pen. Stick with Delgado and Minor for now as starters. Release Hernandez.

Sid

June 13th, 2012
1:39 am

Never fear, we have the chance to blow another one to the Yanks…………

Hmmmm

June 13th, 2012
1:52 am

“I felt great mechanically”

but absolutely sucked with location. You pitched like you were completely lost that inning

Fredi Gonzalez

June 13th, 2012
1:58 am

“Why not ask Fredi why he refused to use his best pitcher”

You don’t use your closer in the 8th inning, that’s not what the book of managing says. It says to bring your closer in when A) You have a lead in the last inning in the 9th or B) You have a lead in extra innings. If I brought Kimbrel in for the 8th inning that would be going against the book!

bulldozer

June 13th, 2012
2:03 am

FW will ride through this season with gonzalez, but if we fail to make the playoffs, he’s gone

HIVPositive

June 13th, 2012
2:09 am

Bad News Braves out there!

Wow

June 13th, 2012
2:40 am

Anybody that thinks the manager should bring in the closer (instead of Venters) in the 8th inning of a 4-0 game should wear a helmet at all times.

Fredi Will Screw It Up Somehow

June 13th, 2012
4:04 am

“If I brought Kimbrel in for the 8th inning that would be going against the book!”

But then we would have to believe you’ve even read one book in your lifetime.

clay

June 13th, 2012
4:20 am

I don’t know if sending medlen down was a good thing, because minor is back to pitching like we knew he could. It’s going to be intresting what they try to do now. Maybe carry six starting pitchers. To give hudson, beachy, and hanson extra rest.

clay

June 13th, 2012
4:20 am

becuase we clearly cannot count on the bullpen unless it’s the ninth and we have the lead.

Will

June 13th, 2012
4:48 am

Freddi is officially retarded. He obviously ran venters into the ground now Eric o is hurt. Wow this bullpen is beyond awful other then Kimbrel.

tristan

June 13th, 2012
5:34 am

A few of us remember Diaz being pulled for Heyward. Lefty on lefty with the bases loaded. Diaz had only drove two balls to the fence and has an outstanding average against left handed pitching. The camera panned over to Girardi when Diaz was pulled and you could read his lips “What the f==k is he doing? Oh my god this guy is a moron.” You could see the Yankees players high fiving each other as it happened.
The best part was when Fredi goes out to the mound in the eighth. Girardi could be seen on his cell phone ordering the champagne and steak dinners for the team. After the game, Girardi gave the game ball to Fredi and patted him on the rear.

Does anyone want to bring up the nine runners left on base? Blame Venters over and over. He stunk it up, but the offense laid down after the three runs and got an extra run on an 80 ft ground ball out.

NickGranite

June 13th, 2012
5:58 am

Who says Kimbrel had to be a two inning closer tonight? Put out the raging inferno in the eighth with the best you got then worry about the ninth with someone else if you have to. If you want to play the percentages, I like our chances better snuffing out the 8th inning rally with their big guys and going with someone else with no one on base in the 9th. The game was on the line when AROD came to bat…so we go lefty vs righty with Venters who hadn’t thrown quality balls much less strikes. Jeez, he was pounding the dirt one after the other.

Dwayne

June 13th, 2012
6:12 am

Fire Fredi and Don Sutton…Idiots both!!!

Bill M.

June 13th, 2012
6:24 am

This was a bad loss. When are the Braves going to let these young pitchers learn how to pitch out of trouble. I’m beginning to question Fredi G. & McDowell handling of a staff. Don’t know if Venters is hurt or just in a slump. I still say that Medlen is more valuable in pen.

Fats

June 13th, 2012
6:39 am

FG had no idea Venters was that off in his piiching. 100 games exactly left. The Braves better get their “swagger” in their own stadium. Still time to get some pride back

terry bellamy

June 13th, 2012
6:46 am

i feel sorry for the players who have had two of the last 3 games taken away from them by management.it will not change because freddi has the company’s blessing.however our bullpen and inability to get a hit with the bases loaded90% of the time will haunt us all year.very unfortunate that eric and johnny both lost their shut down ability at the same time.

dawg tired

June 13th, 2012
6:48 am

After seeing 4 or 5 pitches hit the dirt around the plate, every Yankee fan sitting around me knew what was coming when A Rod saw the first good one across the plate. Too bad Fredi didn’t know.

Larry

June 13th, 2012
7:00 am

Entering the 8th inning the only thing I was thinking is thank the world this stupid manager’s utter idiocy hasn’t been a factor. That’s how this team overcomes this pinhead; either shutout pitching and/or a barrage of runs…just keep his dumb azz mining his eardrums.

The smart manager in the other dugout can see his pitcher is doing well so let’s him pitch in the 8th inning. The stupid manager, his pitcher being totally in command all night, takes his shot of a possible best pitching memory–a shutout against the Yankees–after a one out weak seeing-eye single with one out. I swear, as soon as that dolt came popping out of the dugout I just couldn’t believe he was pulling his left handed starter, one out, up 4-0, and brings in another lefty to face what–a lefty?

If anyone on here thinks for a moment this idiot of a leader–the one whom I was against from the beginning, the one who blew last September, and the one who will blow this season–is a manager league baseball manager, please do us all a favor and just log out.

I was thinking what a defining moment this could be for Minor’s career and the Braves season. But leave to a manager with the in-game instincts of cardboard to snatch it from him.

Wow…just wow

longtimefan

June 13th, 2012
7:09 am

Replay this game a hundred times and 98 of them Venters gets out of the inning. It happens. It’s baseball. It’s even happened to the Yankees before. The fans looking thru that retrospectroscope are always right. It’s easy to manage sitting at home knowing the outcome. How many times has Venters been brought in in a similar situation and been lights out. If managing in the Majors was that easy some of you guys would be doing it.

longtimefan

June 13th, 2012
7:17 am

If you give in to the itch to bring in your closer in the 8th in a high pressure situation just one time then why not do it again and again and again. Look around MLB and tell me how many ML managers would bring in their closer in the 8th with a 4 run lead no matter who is at the plate. They just don’t do it. That’s why they manage and you watch the TV and blog about what they should have done already knowing the outcome.

Ed

June 13th, 2012
7:18 am

Its not that Venters blew it, its that Venters was even in a situation to blow it. He never should have been in there pitching to A-Rod. That was the ballgame right there, and Kimbrel could have come in and shut it down. Hell, Martinez or Gearrin would have been a better matchup right there. Really starting to question Fredis ability to manage a baseball team.

Jack

June 13th, 2012
7:20 am

Fredi has to go. Put Chipper in charge.

Double Zero Eight

June 13th, 2012
7:27 am

I honestly said after Venters loaded the bases that
he was going to give up a grand slam. I am sure this
came as no surprise to many other Braves fans.

Venters appears to be another head case, similar
to Mark Wohlers. He has lost his edge. I hope he
can get it back.

The Braves did like most ATL teams do on the
big stage. (choked).

braves blog

June 13th, 2012
7:38 am

FIRE FATSO AND MCDOWELL ASAP
We are now what 4 games out of first and four games out of last?
This team has no backbone..they are spineless wimps who beat up the .500 teams and look like crap against the the good teams…and just think…they have all those games left to play with Washington, Miami , the Giants, the Dodgers, See y’all next year,man
HEY BRAVES: NO GUTS NO GLORY!!

braves blog

June 13th, 2012
7:39 am

How embarrassing on national TV to see the Ted filled with Yankee fans….the Braves fans were just sitting there surrounded by all those Yankee fans and chants all night long….How pathetic was that,? How pathetic is this team? How pathetic is the city of Atlanta?????

billh

June 13th, 2012
7:47 am

Would it be possible to add a regular feature offering quotes from the other team? You’d keep this one – I enjoy it – but add another with quotes from the team we played. No big deal, just seems as if it would be interesting – I know I often go to the site of the newspaper in the opposing team’s city to see the comments from the other team. (If it’s too much extra work to add a separate column with quotes from the other team, perhaps just some links to coverage that contains the quotes).

pcola braves fan

June 13th, 2012
7:49 am

Minor pitched and awesome game. I really wish we could have a do over and see how he would have gotten out of the inning. I can even see Venters coming in with how he has been pitching lately. What I can’t see is why we leave him in to pitch to one of the best hitters in the major league when he has shown he doesn’t have his stuff. What I’m seeing is that when Fredi makes a decision, it’s that or nothing else. Why not admit that Johnny didn’t have it and put in someone else. If you watch the Yankees they seem to always have someone warming up in those situations. If you replay Mondays game watch the ninth inning. They go for the righty righty and lefty lefty matchups. I’m thinking twice about any more tickets, till I see some consistency. I was at the Livan fiasco Sun and watched this one and not sure if I can take anymore.

Let's Go

June 13th, 2012
7:58 am

This is the kind of lost that can destroy a team for a long time. I hope the Braves shake it off and come back with a win tonight but I fear this one will leave a mark for a long time.

I’m not one to bash Fredi but you weren’t going to let Minor pitch the 9th so why send him back out in the 8th? In a situation like that why not let Venters start the inning instead of having to come in with a runner already on base. Venters has struggled this year so why not let him start off with a clean slate. Stupid move by Fredi and McDowell. Also, why wasn’t Kimbrel getting ready just in case and brought in to face Rodriguez? Once again a manager and coach not being prepared because no one was throwing in the bullpen until the bases were loaded.

The Braves bullpen is in shambles and overall pitching staff is shaky and something better be done about it fast or this team will be sellers next month instead of buyers.

Joey

June 13th, 2012
8:05 am

DOB, could you ask Fredi a question that I have of many managers, and last night is a perfect example of this.

When your team has a good lead in the 8th inning, and the pitcher you have in cannot throw strikes and gets runners on, why no put in your best pitcher, the one who strikes out more hitters than any other pitcher in the ‘pen?

Why save this pitcher (Kimbrel) when he may have come in and gotten two Ks and you still have a 3 or 4 run lead? You have pitchers to pitch the 9th inning or even let Kimbrell go back out. Can he not pitch more than 1 inning?

It’s just a shame to save one of the best pitchers in MLB for an event (save) night after night, than may not occur. I say use him as a STOPPE also, to end a rally before it gets going.

Dumbo

June 13th, 2012
8:05 am

GONZO….you and Wren need to hit the road….bad GMing and bad managing are not a winning formula

Joey

June 13th, 2012
8:06 am

VABravesFan

June 13th, 2012
8:07 am

Fredi made the right call taking Minor out there – he’d pitched a great game and no reason to leave him in to face the heart of the Yankees order once more when you’ve got a guy like Venters down in the bullpen. That said, Venters was the guy to bring in based on the situation and with O’Flaherty unavailable. Venters has had his ups and downs this season, has put guys on base, but nobody expected him to give up a GS in that situation. Maybe if the situation was a little different – say they’d scored 3 runs off Venters – then maybe you think about bringing in Kimbrel there. But once the game was tied, there’s no reason to use him unless you get the lead back.

All in all, well pitched game by Minor – hopefully they keep him in the rotation a little longer now. The decision to stretch out Medlen was a bit premature anyway. If Minor can pitch anywhere close to that the rest of the season, he could easily get to 10-12 wins.

Ryan

June 13th, 2012
8:17 am

WE need bullpen help Venters needs a kick in the ass. Damm always throwing balls in the dirt. Darn Sunday 4-1lead and that old ass Livan are innings eater sucked.Then Venters cant pitch. Freddi cant manage the bullpen you throw Venters and then Gerrin two innings and then come back with again. WE have the best bullpen in baseball when we bring these guys in when were losing but look out when were ahead.Do not see us making playoffs. Be at game Wed booing FREDDI the loser.

cattoe

June 13th, 2012
8:20 am

Sure the relief pitchers were bad, but look at runners in scoring position and the Braves couldn”t get the clutch hit to get a run in. Runners on 2nd and 3rd one out and nothing but strike outs. It was painful to watch.

jt

June 13th, 2012
8:21 am

DOB, were you at the interview with Gonz, and if so why didn’t you ask the questions which were obvious to everyone else, except the people who were there?????? Your readers, sure seem to have it right, or can they replace you too????

braveshoo

June 13th, 2012
8:23 am

Lets analyze what went wrong last night. First, I think FG should always have 2 instead of 1 relievers warming up in the 7,8 & 9 innings. This gives him choices, and doesnt let the other team know whats coming.Now lets say he brings in Venters in the 8th like he did. I dont fault that decision, but you have to have a feel for the game and adjust. Venters gives up 2 singles to load the bases, falling behind each hitter, and then goes to 3-0 on A-Rod. I think you go out and talk to him right there and tell him “lets be like Glavine here-dont let A-Rod beat you-walk him if you have to-we will still be up 4-1 and we will get a double play with the next guy. Then McCann needs to speak up and tell the manager that Venters doesnt have it tonight and you need to bring in someone else. Then you bring in Martinez or better, Kimbrel, because the game is on the line right there. And finally, the pitching coach is not doing the job, because evryone is getting sore arms and not getting the pitchers like Venters to perform better. He had Derrick Lowe the last two years and he was terrible. Now, with the Indians and a new pitching coach, he is great. That tells you a lot about the poor performance of our pitching coach. Finally, FG should not have brought in Gerrin, a rookie who has been in the majors 2 games and pitched last night, to pitch to Swisher and give up a second homerun. The game was still tied and we still had a chance. Use Martinez there instead of in the 9th. BOTTOM LINE: Bad mistakes were made by FG, the pitching coach, and even McCann that cost us the game, and this is not the first time things like this have occurred. I believe the Braves have a team that should make the playoffs, but they may not if their manager continues blowing games.

Cecil34

June 13th, 2012
8:24 am

This is the result when a fully-funded team gets ahold of an “economy team.”

Earl

June 13th, 2012
8:26 am

I can hardly contain myself when I hear Chipper say “you have to come to work everyday and do your job”.

Buckbaloweme

June 13th, 2012
8:30 am

uh oh, we sucked again. Bring back Bobby and Leo.

Cecil34

June 13th, 2012
8:32 am

Bisher, Outlar, Grizzard and Hyland would have asked the questions all y’all want asked…..

This isn’t your dad’s “sports page”…..unfortunately.

Rafael

June 13th, 2012
8:33 am

When Fredi said “They’ve got a good club” he was absolutely stating the obvious. The Yankees have ownership that WANTS to win and puts dollars into the team; unlike Liberty CHEAPIA whose goal is to PINCH PENNIES and try to get fans in the seats by reducing the cost of a Turner Dog by 33%.

Now Venters has caught the DREADED “Livan 18-team Hernandez DISEASE” where the body CANNOT pitch anymore. The Doctors have been unable to cure Scott Linebrink and Scott Proctor previously.

It’s “wonderful” to watch every Braves game KNOWING the COUNTDOWN has begun where Michael Bourn BOLTS via free agency because Liberty CHEAPIA is TOO CHEAP to give him an extension. The Dodgers EXTEND Andre Ethier, OTHER teams give extensions to their players…. but NO, Liberty CHEAPIA extends NOBODY!!!!! Get used to Mike Cameron as our CF next year.

Liberty CHEAPIA is probably TOO CHEAP to even sign a washed-up BUM like MIke Cameron. Knowing Fredi (Ricky Ricardo JR.), he’ll put his nephew Matt Diaz in CF next year.

Here’s hoping the CANCER LIberty CHEAPIA is sells the team to ownership whose main goal is not a “tax-writeoff” and WANTS to win.

Here’s hoping the Braves RUN Fredi Gonzalez out of town like the Miami Marlins did previously. Fredi LOST the ballclub there and already has lost the ballclub here. Hanley Ramirez was CORRECT when he said Fredi “NEVER PLAYED THE GAME.”

Virginia Brave

June 13th, 2012
8:33 am

I still love Venters. Also, I think Fredi should have considered Kimbrel once it was obvious Venters didn’t have it.

Early Bird

June 13th, 2012
8:45 am

Gonzales says “he will take the blame for this one.” Well, he should. If Minor was throwing well enough to start the 8th, then no need to pull him then, with 1 out, he gives up a ground ball single through 3-4 hole and you pull him?. He had been making quality pitches, let him get out of it. If he was nearing a pitch count then why start the eighth with him?

Secondly, bone head Gonzales, it was evident early that Venters couldn’t get anything over but the fast ball. Guess what, major league hitters can ALL hit fast balls. There should have been a quick hook and if Kimbrall can’t throw to 5 hitters to close a game, he has no business closing at this level! Someone’s head should have rolled this morning; either the pitching or Head Coach. That was just poor managing by people who evidently didn’t have any real feel for what was happening out there or were totally blind. Throwing four straight fast balls to a future hall of famer, after being behind 3-0, why not just give him a tee to hit off of?

Ridiculous! I will chip in for a ticket home for Freddie!

shorty

June 13th, 2012
8:49 am

2words…Fire Fredi!

SpideyMatt

June 13th, 2012
8:50 am

Losing hurts… especially when you have a late lead like that. The cure is a hard fought victory tonight. Go get ‘em, Huddy!

GO BRAVES!

TnJacket

June 13th, 2012
8:51 am

And yet Fox continues to run the “Vote 25 times and send these non-producing Braves to the All-Star game” ads.
Bourn – for sure, Prado – maybe, everybody else – stay home! And Uggla leading in 2nd Base votes is a joke! Do the voters think the NL needs an extra 4 strikeouts in the All-Star game?

Jay Dubu

June 13th, 2012
8:51 am

Last night and Sunday, Medlen would have been in the game. Fredi would have brought Meds in to face A-Rod, because Venters just didn’t have control.

There was no onw in the bullpen that Fredi trusted in that position.

James

June 13th, 2012
8:52 am

What if Fredi pulled Minor out at that point in order to give him confidence moving forward? He had pitched a phenomenal game up to that point. What if that single turned into HIM giving up the grand slam? Now Minor can move to his next start feeling really good abou how he’s pitched.

Orange Brave f/k/a Billy Jack's BBQt

June 13th, 2012
8:53 am

frustrating. good thing it is a long season. kudos/tip of the cap to Minor. Pitched great.

Jay Dubu

June 13th, 2012
8:53 am

I listened to the post game last night, and I did not here DOB ask any of the questions to Fredi.

Orange Brave f/k/a Billy Jack's BBQ

June 13th, 2012
8:53 am

just checking to see if I have been blocked….

Mikey

June 13th, 2012
8:55 am

Venters has not had control of his slider all year, and after loading the bases by falling behind each batter he faced including 3-0 to A-Rod, 4 straight Fastballs to the all-time Grand-slam HR hitter the outcome was inevitable

Disaffected Braves Fan

June 13th, 2012
8:56 am

I suggested about a week ago that it might be time to look at giving Kimbrel some multi-inning save chances and was shouted by a down by a few people. But yesterday would have been the perfect spot to bring him in the 8th inning. Let’s face it, our setup men are putrid. Venters has completely lost it, and O’Flaherty has become very unreliable himself.

I’m not saying bring Kimbrel in for multiple innings very often, but it’s beginning to become clear that it might need to at least happen occasionally.

Jack Lill

June 13th, 2012
9:04 am

Why did Fredi take Diaz out of the game and replace him with a lefthanded hitter that is a .194 hitter against left handed pitcher Diaz hit three balls on the nose. Why did the nut take Minor out in the 8th after one hit? We need a new GM and a new manager.

North Ga Braves Fan

June 13th, 2012
9:12 am

Fredi needs to be managing a McDonalds but he’d probably screw that up too!

Whiskey River

June 13th, 2012
9:14 am

Thats 2, At least 8 more to go.

19DawgFan59

June 13th, 2012
9:14 am

FREDI, You’re a DOUBLE TALKING IDIOT … You leave Hudson in the game against the Marlins to get his complete game shutout … when IT’S OBVIOUS he hurt himself running to 1st base in the bottom of the 8th (which has led to him missing his regular start date). But you PULL Minor because you’ve pushed him as FAR AS HE CAN GO ?!?!? BULLS**T … and to MAKE MATTERS WORSE, you bring in VENTERS !

Buddy Landel

June 13th, 2012
9:20 am

longtimefan

June 13th, 2012
7:09 am

Replay this game a hundred times and 98 of them Venters gets out of the inning. It happens. It’s baseball. It’s even happened to the Yankees before. The fans looking thru that retrospectroscope are always right. It’s easy to manage sitting at home knowing the outcome. How many times has Venters been brought in in a similar situation and been lights out. If managing in the Majors was that easy some of you guys would be doing it.
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longtimefan

June 13th, 2012
7:17 am

If you give in to the itch to bring in your closer in the 8th in a high pressure situation just one time then why not do it again and again and again. Look around MLB and tell me how many ML managers would bring in their closer in the 8th with a 4 run lead no matter who is at the plate. They just don’t do it. That’s why they manage and you watch the TV and blog about what they should have done already knowing the outcome
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My 2nd day in a row “dittoing” this guy. I can’t say it any better. Nicely said, sir.

Grandpa

June 13th, 2012
9:22 am

FG looked like a Genuis putting Diaz in in place of JH and get the runs in the first……, FG looked like a Genius putting JH in in place of Diaz and getting the SAC Fly……, but of all the bonehead moves……, Venters! Hell, Clarke Middle School can hit Venters this year! Venters has only had, what 1 or 2 good outings this year and he puts him in up against A-Rod, one of the greatest hitters of all time, tied with Lou Gehrig for Grand Slams…….., you have got to be kidding me. Dumbest move of the year…., not just in Brases baseball…..,but in ALL of baseball!

bruce

June 13th, 2012
9:22 am

Thanks Dave. Great quotes from Venters on ownership Chipper on perspective.

Dawg Fud

June 13th, 2012
9:34 am

Great article, DOB.

Was at the game last night….made me wanna puke.

o-my

June 13th, 2012
9:35 am

Venter and JJ are history thanks to McDowell and Fredi. They will join KK and Lowe plus many more braves pitchers if they continue on this path.
Hire a real pitching coach..please.

Whiskey River

June 13th, 2012
9:36 am

I TOLD YOU SO. AT LEAST 8 TO GO

NickGranite

June 13th, 2012
9:36 am

@longtime fan. Maybe you didn’t hear the telecast but Joe Simpson who has been around the game for awhile raised the alarm bells to get Kimbrel warming up before Rodriguez even came to the plate. You tell me who was right? Sorry if dolt managers like Chollie in Philly and Fredi can’t think outside the box or on their feet but sometimes the game is decided before the ninth inning.

HIVPositive

June 13th, 2012
9:38 am

Trade Brian McCan’t!

o-my

June 13th, 2012
9:41 am

Nick..Sutton also said same..

Dawg Fud

June 13th, 2012
9:41 am

I am starting to understand better why Gonzalez was dumped by the Marlins mid-season….

Adrian's Devine

June 13th, 2012
9:46 am

Florida/Miami let this dunderhead go when the team was in third place with a winning record for a reason in 2010. It just could not stomach any more bad , stupid decisons. Venter’s ERA in back to back games is above 18. He should have not been used last night. Of course , a manager should have known that. Minor should have stayed in at least one more batter, LH Guinderson. And then turn it over to Martinez or Gearin or someone else. And you make Arod hit from the left , which is his weaker side. Calling Terry Francona or Ryne Sandberg anyone?

Ralph

June 13th, 2012
9:50 am

If Venters pitches that bad when he is feeling great, god don’t ever let him go out there when he doesn’t.

Ebenezer Snerdberg

June 13th, 2012
9:51 am

To paraphrase the late Skip Carray,

FREDI STINKS, FREDI STINKS, FREDI STINKS!

Fire Havana Fats NOW!

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