Braves quotes after Sunday’s loss to Blue Jays

**FREDI GONZALEZ

On Julio Teheran’s outing

“I thought the first for innings, obviously, he was nails. It was one of the hurdles in the fifth. You’ve got a four-run lead in the fifth, with a young kid sometimes that kind of throws them out of whack. I thought the first four innings was as impressive as I’ve seen him. He had a good mixture of curveballs and fastballs and getting everything over for a strike. That fifth inning just got away from us a bit.”

On whether Livan Hernandez’s troubles might’ve been caused by long layoff

“I don’t know. I don’t think this guy is going to forget how to pitch after 15 or 16 years in this game. Obviously we thought he could get out of that jam with the bases loaded and his experience. That didn’t happen.”

On why went with Hernandez in that situation with bases loaded

“Who else would you like me to go with? If you give me a suggestion we can talk about it. I could have brought in [Craig] Kimbrel there. Some of the SABR people thought that would be a good spot. In these situations, the fifth inning of a game, is a perfect situation for [Hernandez] with all the experience he can wiggle out of there. He’s not going to spook in that situation. They got him. You have to tip your hat to the Toronto Blue Jays.”

What happened to Teheran in fifth?

“We talk about sometimes with young pitchers different hurdles. That’s one of them, when you get a lead in the fifth inning. You’ve heard me talk about them enough that you know them all. That’s one of them…. First innings…. We thought about leaving him in there a little bit and letting him try to get out of there but at the point I took him out he had a 31-pitch inning. You start getting into some situations where he may get hurt.”

“We won the series, two out of three. That’s what we asked for. If this was the first game of the series and we won the last two, we would be smiling right now. It’s not the case. It’s the last one. Nevertheless we won two out of three. We’ve got the Yankees coming to town and we’re playing pretty good baseball and we’ll try to win that series also.

On whether there was a difference in fifth inning on crispness of Teheran’s pitches

“The second time through the lineup. Four-run lead. That kind of stuff. He’ll be fine.”

On end of winning streak

“It’s so hard to win games at major-league level and you spend so much, players or energy, to get to those winning streaks of six or seven. There are going to be some nights where guys are not available to pitch or to play. It might be the ugliest one we’ve played in a long time. Hopefully, we’ll get another winning streak going and [only] play one of these once a month.”

On Dan Uggla coming out of game for first time

“He’s OK. [Came out because of] game situation [i.e., blowout], but he’s OK. He got a ball off the ankle there but he’s fine. I expect him to play tomorrow with no limitations.”

On Chipper Jones’ return, he make it through OK?

“Chipper is fine. Everybody other than the team ERA was good.”

**JULIO TEHERAN

On what happened in fifth inning

“I just tried to do more than I did the first four innings. I was excited to win the game, and I got a little bit out of control with my mechanics. I got excited because I wanted to win the game.”

Learning experience?

“Yeah, I take this like an experience, another one, and try to be better for the next one.”

On his first four innings, had to feel good about that right?

“Yeah, I was pretty excited. First four innings, try to make it a good outing and try to win the game.”

Surprised he took you out when he did?

“I was a little surprised because I was focused on my pitches…. But I don’t have anything to say about it. If he takes me out, he takes me out.”

On his improved curveball

“I’ve been working a lot on my curveball. It was my best pitch today.”

Curveball different than last year?

“Yeah, and different than it was in spring training. I use my curveball more now than I did then.”

On coming up for one start, disappointing so brief a stay?

“I’m not disappointed. I just try to get here and do my job. If they want me to go back, I go back and do the same thing I’ve been doing.”

What did Fredi say?

“He said you’re going back to Triple-A, and I said, I’ll take this as an experience.”

**LIVAN HERNANDEZ

Did long layoff affect you?

“It’s tough, but I’m not going to say it’s because I didn’t pitch for a long time. I missed a lot of pitches and this is what happened. I’ve never made an excuse in my whole career. This is what happened. Got to go back and start throw a little more, throw a little bullpen [session] every two days.

“I haven’t pitched for a long time. I think if I start to throw every two days, like a little bullpen, 20 pitches, I’m not going to be all over the place with my pitches.”

Pitched a lot more frequently before your last appearance, feel better doing that?

“Remember starting pitching is different, you pitch more. I think it will be better [to pitch more in bullpen between outings].”

On getting knocked around

“I like to pitch. In that situation I’m supposed to get people out. A couple of bloopers, just people coming up and swinging the bat. When you throw it all over the place, these people hit mistakes very good. It’s the American League, so…. This is what happened today…

“It’s a crazy game. We’re supposed to win that game, and I let it go easy. But I’ll come back. I understand, the fans they’ve got to boo. I’m supposed to get booed, because I didn’t do a great job today. This is what happens. When I do good, fans are going to [cheer].

“I deserved it, I think. But there will be a next time. I’ll be all right.”

123 comments Add your comment

NickGranite

June 10th, 2012
6:20 pm

Hard to complain after the last week but…complain I must. It sure seemed like we waved the white flag early in this one. I would have liked to have seen Teheran try to work through his jam. Talk about a short leash. Give up a run and you’re out of there. He was certainly throwing better than those ridiculous lollipops Livan was lobbing to the plate….and Livan should have been yanked after he let his 4th run score;don’t you think?. We were still very much in it.

Whiskey River

June 10th, 2012
6:23 pm

When is management going to quit tipping hats and admit that they messed up with the chemistry of this team, If it works don’t fix it.

NickB

June 10th, 2012
6:26 pm

Whiskey River m you are a silly silly man, yer mancrush on Constanza cracks me up

ATL Sports Pessimist

June 10th, 2012
6:27 pm

“I don’t think this guy is going to forget how to pitch after 15 or 16 years in this game.” Fredi, you’re a joke. Livan sucks, we all saw it. HE JUST DOESN’T HAVE IT ANYMORE.

Bob Didier

June 10th, 2012
6:29 pm

Hopefully, Livan, they will release you.

Bob Didier

June 10th, 2012
6:30 pm

Darryl Blackberry

June 10th, 2012
6:34 pm

Livan probably will be the one to get released when Pete Moylan comes back. Until then, we’re stuck with him.

Really?

June 10th, 2012
6:36 pm

Really Bob Didier? I had some respect for you not claiming First…. bush league. Hope you’re Mom doesn’t catch you on her computer.

Drockadon

June 10th, 2012
6:38 pm

“who else would you like me to go with?”

How about Teheran? Even if you yank him, That was the highest leverage point of the game. You simply put a high leverage reliever in to finish the inning then next inning martinez or Hernandez.

I feel like I’m taking crazy pills here.

Hollis G.

June 10th, 2012
6:38 pm

Fredi G. needs to grow some kahonies and let Chipper know that he’s the manager and will decide who plays and when. It was painfully evident that Chipper was not prepared to face big league pitching and he single handedly prevented the Braves from rallying by grounding into a dp and dribbling one to the mound to have a runner killed at home. He wasn’t able to get one out of the infield. Way to destroy the chemistry and momentum with bad decisions. Hernandez needs to go.
He was throwing bp to the Jays and FG just sat on his hands. Gotta tip your cap to the Jays. When you have someone throwing bp to you, don’t let it go to waste.

jim

June 10th, 2012
6:39 pm

Now that Chipper is back, he is the center of attention again. Did Chipper make it through OK? Since he was barely involved in the action — seven innings, one grounder, one pop up, and not much activity on the bases, why wouldn’t he make it through OK? The question speaks volumes about his fragility. At 40, having sustained multiple surgeries and other injuries, he is now a role player. Hopefully there will be some good days, and some not so good ones like today, but this team will go as far as Freeman, Heyward, Simmons, Uggla, McCann, and the pitching take it.

Whiskey River

June 10th, 2012
6:40 pm

@NickB I do not have a man crush on Constanza, But I do have a man crush on the chemistry. When you break up the chemistry you might as well dismantle the team. When you lose the chemistry you lose the team. You saw what happened.

D.A. Nuggla

June 10th, 2012
6:44 pm

FG says, (about LH) “he’s not going to spook in that situation”. Well, he did FG and nobody at the news conference called you out on that. Why not? Afraid, I guess. Nobody has a pair anymore. Also, FG was being sarcastic about “who do you want me to bring in, Kimbrel?” It wouldn’t do for me to have been in that room. I would have had to speak up and say “is Kimbrel the only one in the bullpen now?” This guy is the worst manager on a winning team in all of baseball. He is just lucky and they win in spite of him. Just wait, it won’t last all year. Not with idiotic decisions like today!

jim

June 10th, 2012
6:51 pm

The smart move with a lefty going today, Constanza destined for demotion before Monday anyway, and the bullpen an arm short would have been to send Constanza down and bring up Gearrin today, then reactivate Chipper after Teheran’s start. Chipper could have used another day in rehab to get his timing down, and Gearrin would have been the best option to get a ground ball from Lawrie in the fifth. If he gets two quick outs he could pitch the 6th as well and be the bridge to the back of the pen. Chipper forced the issue by thinking he did not need to rehab.

LowCountry XPlant

June 10th, 2012
6:52 pm

This loss goes to Gonzalez for the quick hook.

m white

June 10th, 2012
6:55 pm

FG can’t find his butt with two hands and a compass.

Doofus(Goober and Gomer's Smart Brother)

June 10th, 2012
6:56 pm

LH says, (about booing) “this is what happens. When I do good fans are going to cheer”. Don’t expect much cheering this year Mr. H, not the way you are throwing. BTW it wasn’t just a couple of “bloopers” mixed in there that was the problem. I recall some hardhit balls and at least one or two HRs.

Strikeoutlookin

June 10th, 2012
6:56 pm

How are Your teams doing? Curious the ones you all manage? Riiiiight………

64 year Braves fan

June 10th, 2012
6:56 pm

The Braves should release Livan Hernandez and then sign him up as the batting practice pitcher.
The guy is washed up. I guess Fredi doesn’t appreciate a 4 run lead in the 5th inning. Why bring in
Livan and stay with him until the game is out of reach? These games are precious.

Larry

June 10th, 2012
6:57 pm

Another game where the manager’s decisions results in a loss.

I keep telling you. Without shutout pitching and/or a hitting barrage this man is cognitively incapable of leading his team to victory with pregame strategic batting orders and in-game, strategic maneuvers. A nice guy indeed but dumb as a box of rocks.

On a positive note: if ignorance is bliss, Fredi must be the happiest person on earth.

74bravesjersey

June 10th, 2012
6:59 pm

Livan throws batting practice pitches; Yeah, I understand nobody else, & tired of he’s a veteran presence out in the bullpen garbage. Let him go, bring up Vavarroo( who was good in the pen last year, you also have Gearin who might’ve kept them close, also LH flande who looked really good in ST, grant it we might’ve still lost this game, not for sure, but dang, why make it so obvious. Was it because we were winning too many? sorry for the moanin’, gripin’, complainin’. I’m still pleased where we are, but we were leading 4-0, sure bases loaded jam. I just don’t like conceading it away. I hope we didn’t concede any of the momentum built up the previous nights. Leaving an old softball thrower in there. I believe a good mgr. would try to hold the league or keep it close. I hate throw away games, shouldn’t be when we had a lead to put on the shoulder’s of a mop up who suppose to come in when were way behind.

bostonbravo

June 10th, 2012
7:00 pm

I tip my hat to the guy who has the stones to slap Fredi in his ignorant mouth.

B_F 52

June 10th, 2012
7:00 pm

Was he getting testy with you O’B?He should have had a righty and a lefty going not just one possible BP pitcher

Cap: Where's My Tip

June 10th, 2012
7:01 pm

“I just tried to do more than I did the first four innings. I was excited to win the game”

hmmm I didn’t think this was something you had to “teach” pitchers. Just seems obvious to me that if something is going good for you, don’t.change.anything.

Though I guess Teheran will have to be taught this when he goes back down

74bravesjersey

June 10th, 2012
7:02 pm

In Fredi’s world,a box of crackerjacks would be bliss.

Whiskey River

June 10th, 2012
7:02 pm

@jim I understand what you are saying. IMO you don’t send constanza down because when you are facing a lefty,you play Diaz. No Heyward. IMO you have to keep Heyward, Freeman and Simmons in the game. They are the spark. So you keep Constanza and release Francisco. He does no good for the chemistry of this team. Constanza does. IMO Management really screwed up and now I see a long long losing streak coming.

jim

June 10th, 2012
7:03 pm

Did Livan get any work in at the slow-pitch softball game Saturday?

TonyC

June 10th, 2012
7:07 pm

Freddie G. does not know how to use pitchers, no pitchers should be allowed to give up 5 runs in less than 2 innings before being pulled in the majors.

Hmmmm

June 10th, 2012
7:10 pm

“On why went with Hernandez in that situation with bases loaded”

lol if Fredi gets emotional over a question like that, he’d never make it as a NY manager …. he’d be grilled alive by that media on a nightly basis. They’d probably have him yelling and screaming on Opening Day

Dawgdad (The Original)

June 10th, 2012
7:11 pm

Did you read where our manager kept saying, well we won the series, two our to three, that is all we asked for. That is why you are a loser Fredi. There will be series where you will not win a game. You have to win every dang game you can. When you are ahead in a game, you don’t suddenly become magnanimous and decide to just throw in the towel, or insert Hernandez with the bases loaded.

All the polyanna’s out there can say, well we one seven in a row, what does it take to make you happy. That is horse hokey, you win every game you can, because you will not have that opportunity some games.

I would not be surprised that this foolishness on Fredi’s part doesn’t send us into another tailspin.

Mako

June 10th, 2012
7:11 pm

Why not mention Chipper the dipper….oh I’m sorry I forgot…no comments on the old one. Kinda odd to start a guy who’s only seen CL A pitching in only 3 AB and is declared ready…..yeah, right a DB and a 35 ft ground out to pitcher…..real ready the old is!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

jim

June 10th, 2012
7:12 pm

Whiskey,

Constanza might be a better fit than Francisco, but mgt. is not ready to dump Francisco yet — he has no options. Given that it was already decided that Constanza was going down, the point becomes one of timing — reinstate Chipper today or tomorrow. The Braves had a much greater need for Gearrin in the bullpen today than having Chipper back too soon. The longer term question now becomes will Chipper contribute enough offensively to compensate for the weakened defense at two positions?

74bravesjersey

June 10th, 2012
7:14 pm

Well, what can you do? 2-outof 3 is good, but could have very strongly been a sweep, not mopping up after a lead. I bet the jay’s eyes we’re huge, licking there chops while grandaddy livan was warming up. Sittin’ back waitin’ while they were being served to. They said “uhm more BP in the middle of the game, that’ll jump start us against the nats. OH! That might’ve been fred’s plan all along. Go figure.

IlliniBrave

June 10th, 2012
7:16 pm

DOB: how ’bout the next time Fredi blurts that ridiculously trite response “you have to tip your hat”, you literally tip your hat (which means you have to be wearing on). And then keep doing this every single stupid f***ing time he says it. Maybe after a 5 minute interview and seeing you tip your cap eighteen times he’ll realize how stupid he sounds.

romedawg

June 10th, 2012
7:18 pm

FG should have let Teheran work through his mess. How else is he gonna learn. Its easy to mon. morning quarterback the situation but I was livid when I saw him bring LH in.

Its a long season but I hate to lose games that are “winnable” and lost by bad coaching decisions.

74bravesjersey

June 10th, 2012
7:19 pm

Whiskey; I might have to agree w/you bud, selah, Get those pinstripes tomorrow, just get rid of the extra baggage Frank.

romedawg

June 10th, 2012
7:21 pm

Don’t blame Livan Hernandez. He gave it his best shot, he just doesn’t have it anymore. Hell, I would have gone out there if I had my shot.

I saw Livan Hernandez talking to a bunch of kids while he was throwing in the pregame. I thought that was pretty cool. He had a big crowd around him.

Whiskey River

June 10th, 2012
7:23 pm

@jim Are you saying that management would rather keep a guy than do smart managing. That tells me how much they are idiots. thet do not want to WIN. That is stupid and poor managing. Will Chipper make it up? Answer-No. The chemistry is now gone. Their season is over because of their idiotic management.

jim

June 10th, 2012
7:25 pm

Who else to use?
Durbin has stranded 19 of 21 inherited runners. Venters, when on is a strikeout, ground ball pitcher. Either of those two would have been a better choice in that situation. Maybe you have to use Livan in the 6th or 7th inning, but you may still have a lead and a situation where you are starting an inning fresh — a better chance where a couple of hits might not kill you.

Rilo

June 10th, 2012
7:26 pm

Just read FG quotes on the game today. What an arrogant A@@. Like I said earlier, we win in spite of our manager. I don’t blame him for bringing in Livan Hernandez (I thought we needed someone with more strikeout ability) but I do blame him for keeping Livan in after he was pitching all over the place and the Blue Jay hitters were sitting back and waiting for that slow, up in the zone curveball. I’ve counted at least 7 games this year that Fredi’s inability to make wise decisions has cost the Braves a chance at victory. And to snap at a reporter for asking a logical question like that is just inexcusable. To add insult to injury his all too familiar comment” “you just have to tip your cap to the Blue Jay’s hitters” is beyond tolerable. The only positive I have seen coming out of the FG era is the aggressive baserunning. However, is this just because we have more speed than in recent years? I will give Fredi the benefit of the doubt because he did say he wanted more speed on this team.
I’m just tired of this guy. He’s costing this team so many chances that I’m afraid these 5-7 games will be the difference.
Thoughts?

Whiskey River

June 10th, 2012
7:26 pm

@74bravesjersey Sorry to say, but there is no way we win as long as we have this stupid idiotic management. Team on a roll and so they decide to break them up. Great job-not.

Ralph

June 10th, 2012
7:27 pm

Fredi Gonzalez
On why went with Hernandez in that situation with bases loaded

“Who else would you like me to go with? If you give me a suggestion we can talk about it
————————————————————————————————————————–

I would like to suggest Durbin or O’flarety, anybody but Hernandez

TaylorVol

June 10th, 2012
7:30 pm

Romedawg, I agree as this was one that we ended up giving away. It felt like Fredi waived the white flag and was just happy to win 2 of 3. Livian was getting lit up and it got ugly very fast. Would have liked to have seen Teheran have a chance to face at least another batter or two. To answer Fredi, Durbin or Martinez would have been better choices to bring in. If Livian wasn’t so popular in the clubhouse, he would be released, but the players love the guy.

Merlin

June 10th, 2012
7:30 pm

Fredi “Who else would you like me to go with? If you give me a suggestion we can talk about it.”
Okay Fredi how about Chad Durbin to put out the fire? At least he’s got some pop in his arm and they can’t sit on slow breaking balls. Only Bautista caught up with our pitchers fastballs this weekend and you put in the slowest arm in the league who’s not a knuckleballer.
This loss is yours Fredi. Yours alone

Don

June 10th, 2012
7:34 pm

We built the winning streak on defense and pitching with some timely hitting thrown in. Batting a Rusty Chipper 3rd has to be almost as dumb as starting Matt “Can’t field worth a Darn” Diaz in Right. Freddie really out did himself, but the issue with Livan is easy to see. A pitcher that depends on absolute control, like Livan, has to have work and again cannot be ignored for weeks and then expected to be sharp. He has opportunities to use Livan during the streak, but Freddie being Freddie, he chose to save him for some reason known only to God.
Sometimes Freddie comes across a real dumb manager and other times he comes across as not having a clue. The fact he was so short about the Livan quesiton would likely be that he knew he messed up.

jim

June 10th, 2012
7:35 pm

Whatever management would want to do, that is what they just did. One would have to be in the clubhouse to comment on the chemistry, but that is more a factor of the addition of Jones than the subtraction of Constanza. Whatever the chemistry, the defense has been weakened, and that D was a big factor in at least two or three of the latest wins. Chipper did not come close to that weak grounder that was barely foul today, and would not have made the plays we saw Prado making the previous two nights, and Constanza covers more ground in LF (although Prado has shown a decent arm on a couple of opportunities).

Del

June 10th, 2012
7:35 pm

I wonder how many fans left Turner today feeling cheated, and swearing they wouldn’t spend another red cent on Braves tickets until our esteemed mgr was GONE!!!!

Whiskey River

June 10th, 2012
7:41 pm

@jim You just made my point. They broke up a winning team How stupid. Bunch of idiots.

go-BRAVOS

June 10th, 2012
7:45 pm

Fredi Gonzales is a waste of space and I could go the rest of my life and never have to hear him answers questions after a game, win or lose. I understand that your not going to throw your players under the bus but man he kills me with his answers.

Go Braves!

Del

June 10th, 2012
7:45 pm

Chipper, do yourself a favor and report to G-Braqves Monday morning. Don’t wait for mgmt, do it on your own for the good of the team. It is painfully obvious you are not ready to produce at the MLB level. Your actions have always been in the best interest of the team, going to G-Braves for a spell is in the BEST interests of the team.

1995 was 17 years ago

June 10th, 2012
7:46 pm

Great Q&A with Livan. I don’t think he should be on the roster, but he handled these questions like a true professional..

I blame Fredi for putting him in that position. He clearly doesn’t have the stuff to get out big league hitters anymore, and the manager should know that.

Ralph

June 10th, 2012
7:47 pm

You know folks a visit to the mound when it was obvious he was getting himself in a jam wouldn’t have hurt just to calm him down, if they had probably none of this would have happened. Julio was under a lot of pressure because he had a 4 run lead and knew that he had to get through that inning to get the win. He is just a kid and he has great talent and has to learn how to get through these situations and he will only learn it through experience. I really feel sorry for the guy but he will be a great pitcher in the future.

smallmouth6

June 10th, 2012
7:53 pm

Fredi, You bring some of the worst stuff upon yourself. Quit tipping your hat. You look silly.

Ralph

June 10th, 2012
7:55 pm

Hernandez is nothing more than a mop up pitcher and should have never been used in that kind of situation and I don’t understand why Fredi doesn’t know that. Maybe if we are lucky Wren will take a closer look at this idiot and admit he made a mistake in hiring him, he only hired him out of respect for Bobby Cox’s wishes. Cox wanted somebody that was just as stupid as he was.

PaulG

June 10th, 2012
7:56 pm

Bill James has produced a thoughtful, empirically based analysis of the effects of managers on a teams W- L record.You would be surprised at the results, the effect is quite small. Mind you, it’s difficult , if not impossible , to sort out results solely due to the manager but the conclusion is that it’s the quality of the players one has. Hmmm….is Frank Wrenn in the house?

Whiskey River

June 10th, 2012
7:59 pm

@Ralph I completely agree with you. With Teheran, Delgado, Beachy and Redmond. Players like Heyward,Freeman, Simmons and Gattis, our future would have been bright. The idiotic and stupid management will screw it up. Guaranteed.

Brave Decisions

June 10th, 2012
8:02 pm

bulldozer

June 10th, 2012
8:03 pm

we have a long line of solid young relievers at AAA waiting for their opportunity. Any ideas Frank Wren?

bulldozer

June 10th, 2012
8:05 pm

and who are SABR people?

JAFO

June 10th, 2012
8:09 pm

Tip your hat to yourself fg. You own this loss. Somebody, anybody, pay the kid a visit on the mound. Slow the game for him.

Largo

June 10th, 2012
8:16 pm

Fredi, your choice of three hole hitters isn’t working out too well lately. Also, my sarcastic friend, if you aren’t ready for questions about the decisions you make, you’re in the wrong business.

PaulG

June 10th, 2012
8:30 pm

Bulldozer…SABR is an acronym for a group of baseball researchers that have revolutionized the way we understand baseball.Bill James stands out amongst them.he has had tremendous influence. Google him. Fascinating story. Moneyball is based on Sabermetric research.

Steven Nelson

June 10th, 2012
8:33 pm

I have watched the Braves for 36 years. I can’t stay quiet any longer Fredi G cost the Braves this game. Is he watching the same game I am. Somebody glued his ass to the bench. His ability to take out one pitcher to go with another is awful. When someone doesn’t have it that day go with some other pitcher. You are not limited to one guy. Fredi acts like his head isn’t in the game at hand. I could do a better job from my couch!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

JAFO

June 10th, 2012
8:44 pm

Right on Largo. That kind of garbage sarcasm for a reasonable ? is hs. “Well fg let’s go down the list of options in th bp shall we.” He needed a very direct response. He blew it and he knows it.

Price

June 10th, 2012
8:53 pm

I think Fredi was told by management to get Teheran out of the game at the first sign of trouble because management is showcasing Teheran ahead of the trading deadline. I don’t think Fredi wanted to make the pitching change but his hands were tied.
It would not surprise me to see management deal Teheran at the deadline.

rc35

June 10th, 2012
9:00 pm

Monday headline should be: Hernandez Given Unconditional Release.
Second headline: Gonzalez on DL with Wrist Strain from Cap-Tipping

Whiskey River

June 10th, 2012
9:01 pm

@Price After all the stupid idiotic decisions they have made the last two days. Nothing would suprise me what management does now.

Ed

June 10th, 2012
9:07 pm

I have never really had a problem with Fredi before, but he managed us into a loss today. If Teheran stays in the game, he has a chance to get out with minimal damage, or even if the clear the bases we are still in the game. He could have at least brought in Martinez for long relief. Bringing in Livan and then leaving him in after that disaster and then trotting him out there AGAIN for the next inning was just insane.

Whats worse is I think he knew it was a huge mistake and he did it anyway. Seems like he was snapping at DOB in the postgame…..

Gil In Mechanicsville

June 10th, 2012
9:10 pm

Who to bring in?? Chad Durbin, dofus…. Let Livian start an inning fresh, of course that did not work out so well either, did it? It’s called bullpen management. Just because a guy knows how to pitch, does not mean he is able to pitch. Those folks are called coaches.

I do not normally rip Freddi but he clearly may some poor decisions today. Chalk this one up to one of the half dozen games a year a manager loses.

Lobosolo

June 10th, 2012
9:24 pm

They’re baaaaaaacccccckkkkkkk…. armchairs haven’t had much to CRY about lately, have you…. Larry, you and your brethren need to go manage your own teams and win your own World Series, genii that you all think you are…. what a bunch of putzes… the Braves certainly don’t need any of you whimperers that have never gotten the fact that there’s NO CRYING IN BASEBALL… Y’all don’t understand it a lick (which one could argue is unusal for such a baseball wunderkind who is Larry the Legend)… alexis!!! BINKY TIME!!!! GIVE LARRY AN EXTRA ONE!!!! HIS BUTT IS PUCKERED UP AGAIN!!!!

George Stein

June 10th, 2012
9:26 pm

In these situations, the fifth inning of a game, is a perfect situation for [Hernandez] with all the experience he can wiggle out of there. He’s not going to spook in that situation.

I’d say we have objective evidence to the contrary, Fredi.

BravesfaninWis

June 10th, 2012
9:31 pm

Fredi Gonzalez is a moron. Here is a suggestion Fredi, when you have the lead in the 5th inning and the opposing team has men on base, you don’t bring in a batting practice pitcher you idiot. This loss was squarely on your pathetic shoulders today.

Can’t win them all, but this one should have been a win plain and simple. I won’t complain over this one as they have been playing very good lately. I bash then when they lose because I know what they are capable of, and I give them props when they win because I know they should be doing it. There were several options you could have went with there numb nuts. Durbin, O’Flaherty, or Venters while they all have their faults, they would have been much better options in that particular instance than Livan “Fat Ass” Hernandez.

If the manager would have done his job correctly, the Braves probably would have won this game. Chalk it up as a idiotic move by the man in charge, but we should all be used to that with this guy at the helm.

Lobosolo

June 10th, 2012
9:32 pm

JAFO, maybe he’s just tired of answering questions from armchair 20-20 types, you know, like you and Jeff Schultz… after you’ve landed a job as a big league manager and taken your team to soaring heights, then you can realistically criticize, but you at least have to know what the hell you’re talking about… Do you know-it-alls EVER make a comment based on thoughts? We certainly don’t hear from you after wins… I’m of the conclusion that you grown people just really love the feeling you get from stomping your feet and crying like a child…

Lobosolo

June 10th, 2012
9:35 pm

Braves(non)faninWisconsin… what a post… you sure told him… be listening for your call-up to manage that won’t be forthcoming, any day now….

Lobosolo

June 10th, 2012
9:36 pm

… still not used to Fredi having the team in the top ten in all of baseball yet, either…. more fun for you to cry, cry, cry instead, I suppose….

bostonbravo

June 10th, 2012
9:48 pm

Lobosolo…aka Mrs. Wrenn…shut up!

George Stein

June 10th, 2012
9:50 pm

I guess the players get no credit, huh, Lobosolo?

Bart

June 10th, 2012
9:54 pm

I’m not the biggest Fredi critic here (that’s a high bar), but, I think he planned on losing this game. It was going better than he expected, but he fixed that. McCan, Heyward out, Chipper back before he was ready, minor leaguer on the mound.

All you Saber guys: sometimes it’s a bit hard for me to see what you are getting at, but today was the finest example I have seen of a high-leverage situation. Bases loaded, no one out, 3 run lead. I understand that there were many innings to be eaten, and that Livan is a good choice for some of those, but why not get someone to put out the fire first??

stew

June 10th, 2012
10:19 pm

The 3 hitter on the team is Freeman. The 4 hitter is Uggla. The 5 hitter McCann. The 6 hitter is Chip. The 7 Heyward. When Chip doesn’t play, Constanza bats 9th and Prado plays third. So this lineup had Chip third, Diaz fifth, Freeman seventh or sixth. Quit f–king Freeman. He is a legit 3 hole. The team has a good offense. Stop f–king it up.

George Stein

June 10th, 2012
10:33 pm

Freeman has a .305 OBP. He should be hitting no higher than 7th.

Leonard Parent

June 10th, 2012
10:45 pm

Don’t blame the manager. Our bullpen was tired, so Livan is the obvious choice. The GM needs to release Livan and keep Julio in the bullpen or call up some bullpenner from the minors. This game was simply given away because the GM hasn’t given the manager enough bullets. And yes, the manager pulled Julio too quick. His bad stuff is better than Livan’s good stuff. Livan has to go!!! Period!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Gordo

June 10th, 2012
11:26 pm

No doubt about it, Livan is washed up and needs to be released! Pronto!!

JNick

June 10th, 2012
11:27 pm

Bullpen was tired??? Kimbrel was the only one used last night. Everyone else had a night off. Maybe if we weren’t running a man short in the bullpen for over a week, we’d have had yet another arm to choose from instead of Livan.

OldNugget

June 10th, 2012
11:54 pm

Let’s see:

1. Second in the NL East
2. Only two games out of first
3. Eight games over .500
4. Third best winning % in NL

Yep, it’s time to fire Fredi! Not!

Fredi Will Screw It Up Somehow

June 11th, 2012
12:06 am

BAHAHAHAHAHA!!!

Barve New World

June 11th, 2012
12:09 am

I agree with the fact we’re 8 over .500 and third best winning % in NL – but it feels like we constantly win in spite of FG, not because. That shouldn’t be the case. Teams as good as ours should be able to have more confidence in their front office and manager knowing we have the talent to win this division. As good as we are, we’re not good enough to cover for such questionable managing or front office decisions (on a regular basis). Frustrating.

Lobosolo

June 11th, 2012
12:23 am

bostonbravo…. NO!!! Steinbrenner… stupid comment… of course the players get credit…. they get blame, also…. armchairs on here like to think they know everything about managing, especially after the games are over, and are always quick to call Fredi out for everything that goes wrong… you won’t ever see them post about what has turned out right…. these peaheads have absolutely no privy to how players are feeling physically nor do they understand why you can’t use the same players in every game or use just half of your picthers all of the time… They also don’t understand that you can’t have an all-star at every position (even if you have the deep pockets of the Yankees, Bosox, Philthies, etc., etc) nor can you have a bench comprised totally of almost-allstars… they don’t come on here to root for “their” team, only to deride them when they lose…. AND, it’s the way they criticize, too, as if they would get every call right if (when pigs fly) they actually were managers of ANY kind of baseball team… did I say the Bravos were in the top ten in the majors? Sorry, I meant to say top five… Instead of realizing just how well the team is doing (5th best record in ALL OF BASEBALL), the whinebabies would rather project their baseball ignorance through baby blubbering whenever “we” lose….

Lobosolo

June 11th, 2012
12:27 am

Brave New World…. if you could conjur up the courage to walk into “your” clubhouse, and ask “your” teammates what they thought of y’all’s manager, you’d find their feelings quite contrary to yours, I would imagine…

EOF'ed Up

June 11th, 2012
12:59 am

Hate to tell ya this Whiskey, but Heyward is the future of our entire organization so he’d better dang well get some games vs. LHP’s because we can’t platoon him his whole life and anyway he does pretty decent against them already just needs to build on from there. and your chemistry talk was just ridiculous bud, NO team keeps the same exact roster from beginning of season to the end people are constantly getting hurt, called up, and sent down.

The world won’t stop turning because Constanza got sent down!

Mister Frisky

June 11th, 2012
1:13 am

Up 4 to 0 bases loaded.Chipper and Uggla up.Could have blown this mother wide open then and streak would still be alive.Make a deal for an OFer or 3b.Let Chipper pinch hit the rest of the way.They have been and can continue to win without him.

wayn-o

June 11th, 2012
1:13 am

Fredi what is more important:
Letting Tehran learn how to get through an inning or getting Livan 2 innings? According to you, we already won the series, so why take him out?

Dear God please let this team fall apart again in September, maybe just maybe, they will fire Fredi.

JAFO

June 11th, 2012
1:13 am

Atta boy lobo…bring it

Gibson

June 11th, 2012
2:39 am

I like this Lobosolo. The rest of you are a bunch of negative nancies.

Ralph

June 11th, 2012
6:52 am

I know that my opinion doesn’t amount to a hill of beans but hears wha t I think management should do next. they just brought Gearrin and that is good, now they should release Livan and recall Teheran for long relief. This would make their bull pen complete with a little fire power in place of a worthless batting pratice pitcher. Teheran has great stuff and pitched great for 4 innings yesterday then got a bad case of rookie jitters. If Minor doesn’t pitch well his next start they can bring Medlen or JJ back up and still have a couple of pitchers they could package with Francisco for a good back up 3rd baseman.

SpideyMatt

June 11th, 2012
8:48 am

I understand everyone’s concerns about toying with the chemistry of the team in sending Constanza down, but I also think it’s a little silly to call for Chipper’s head on a platter after only one game back. I could be wrong, of course, but I think we are a better team with him out there. Especially when we’re at the plate…

My concern lies with Fredi’s decision to stick with Livan until the game was completely out of hand. I don’t fault him for going with Hernandez. I realize he hasn’t been out there for a while and FG was looking for a reliever that could hopefully give him more than just one inning there. But why run it into the ground? Teheran gives up 1 run and he gets yanked. Livan gives up 8 and he’s still out there. What’s up with that? I’ll admit that hindsight is 20/20, but did anyone notice that Livan was in the on deck circle just before Simmons flew out to end the bottom of the 5th when we were only trailing by 2? I was thinking, “So not only is Fredi going to leave Hernandez in after allowing 5 runs to score, but now he’s going to sacrifice an at bat just to keep him out there? That was the moment yesterday when I became uncomfortable with Fredi’s decision making process. Down 6-4 in the 6th, I felt like we had a great chance to still make a game of it. Look how close Andrelton came to tying it up in the bottom of the 5th. When Livan gave up two more homers in the top of the 6th, deflation commenced.

I like Fredi. I think he’s doing a good job and has made some great game-time decisions this year. Yesterday… not so much. It’s great to win a series, but you can’t throw away a game just because we’ve already won the series against a team. Not when you have a 4-0 lead in the fifth… and especially not in the NL East.

GO BRAVES!

Moeman

June 11th, 2012
9:40 am

Not abig FG fan but agree with Lobosolo. Support this team or just go away.

JAFO

June 11th, 2012
9:49 am

lobo is fg’s mommy.

Whiskey River

June 11th, 2012
9:53 am

No chemistry, Washed up 3rd baseman, No Gm, No manager, What does that add up to? Lose, Lose Lose. Bye Braves. You used to be a good team. The management decided that you were doing too well, so they decided to kill the chemistry of the team. Long,long losing sreak on the way starting tonite. Sorry but that is fact.

Winchester

June 11th, 2012
9:54 am

Up 4-0. An over rated minor league pitcher falling apart fast.

Replacing the minor league pitcher with an over weight washed up BP pitcher.

Disregarding our close position to the Nationals.

PRICELESS!

reckingball

June 11th, 2012
10:21 am

Some crying towels would be nice for this bunch of bloggers. They are funny. haha
Do these folks think, that any MLB team, is going to win every game?
The Braves will lick their wounds, and regroup for the Yankees.
go braves

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