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phil
May 31st, 2012
12:48 pm
Brian from SC
May 31st, 2012
12:37 pm
I don’t know, phil…I would like to think a bruise, even an extremely bad one, wouldn’t keep him out that long.
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Most bruises don’t require surgery to relieve pressure. That’s why I say it was something much more serious in the end, like Compartment Syndrome, that is basically a tourniquet cutting off blood flow.
Not good.
Where is he if he’s ok or close to it? No sign of him and no word on his condition.
phil
May 31st, 2012
12:49 pm
CrαZy
May 31st, 2012
12:43 pm
But to totally trash the man isn’t being fair.
I didn’t trash him… I only told about something I had read about him and agreed. The guy might be a great person I don’t know I’ve never meet him. I can only judge by what I hear and read!
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I know you didn’t. Others have though.
I should have been more clear. Apologies.
Brian from SC
May 31st, 2012
12:50 pm
By the way, not including ROEs, the NL average for batting average give up on ground balls is .236, almost 40 points lower than the Braves’ average.
phil
May 31st, 2012
12:52 pm
thanks, Brian.
Murph
May 31st, 2012
12:54 pm
Yes. RT @RandallThomason: @ajcbraves I know Simmons now gets pro-rated ML minimum salary. Does Pastor’s pay revert to minor league level?
Ouch! I never thought about it before. That’s gotta suck. So he’s going from making $500k a year to something like $50k a year? What would his pay be in the minors?
phil
May 31st, 2012
12:54 pm
So is it the pitching or the defense? There just can’t be any definitive way to measure that stuff because it requires subjectivity.
Of course hit vs error often does too….the fences in some parks are shorter than in others….
Baseball can’t be measured as precisely as pro basketball can, and even it has the subjectivity element present with things like assists….
Shaun
May 31st, 2012
12:57 pm
Barry Bonds hit .245/.329.460 through age 22.
Jose Canseco: .253/.315/.465
Carl Crawford: .283/.315/.400
Sammy Sosa: .228/.273/.376
Curt Blefary hit .258/.376/.469
ncscoots
May 31st, 2012
12:57 pm
know you didn’t. Others have [trashed Bill shanks] though
yes, and that would be I. All day long. Guy is a complete buffoon.
Brian from SC
May 31st, 2012
12:58 pm
phil, the answer is it’s both. Which is why it will be interesting to see what happens after the SS switch. A lot of research has been done on this kind of stuff, and there’s a strong case to be made the batting average given up on balls in play, particularly ground balls, is affected strongly by the range of the defensive players.
Bat Masterson
May 31st, 2012
1:01 pm
The first rule of holes: When you’re in one stop digging. _ Molly Ivins
Bat Masterson
May 31st, 2012
1:02 pm
That was Mr Nuance
Bat Masterson
May 31st, 2012
1:05 pm
For*
Good grief
ncscoots
May 31st, 2012
1:06 pm
Curt Blefary hit .258/.376/.469
My Lord, if Clank is a reasonable expectation for Heyward, keep the kid away from razor blades, LOL.
richbrave
May 31st, 2012
1:07 pm
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Shaun
May 31st, 2012
1:07 pm
Extremely tough call. RT @maziarNblue: @ajcbraves Right now, for rest of their careers, Stanton, Harper, or Trout? I might rather pick
It’s pretty close but I think Harper is the clear choice. He just possesses better tools and skills.
flange1
May 31st, 2012
1:08 pm
Who is Curt Blefary?
Bat Masterson
May 31st, 2012
1:09 pm
key_
It sucks to be the one left holding the bag through no fault of ones own. SMH
Shaun
May 31st, 2012
1:09 pm
Who is Curt Blefary?
Exactly.
coach joe
May 31st, 2012
1:10 pm
I sure wish Heyward would figure it out..Needs to go to Chipper and work it out.. Too young/good to be a bust…
Go Braves..
coach joe
May 31st, 2012
1:10 pm
I sure wish Heyward would figure it out..Needs to go to Chipper and work it out.. Too young/good to be a bust…
Go Braves..
flange1
May 31st, 2012
1:11 pm
Clank, I got it.
How in any way is he comparable to Ironhead?
ncscoots
May 31st, 2012
1:11 pm
flange, a player from my era, mid-to-late 60s. The man was not a very good hitter, and I don’t even have to look it up.
David O'Brien
May 31st, 2012
1:13 pm
DOB, it has been suggested that the on-field guys (like Fredi) were in favor of Simmons from the beginning at ST…
Virtually everyone was at the beginning of camp, when he stood out in the workouts before first games, then hit better than Pastornicky in first 10 days or so of games. Then it turned significantly, in terms of Pastornicky hitting and Simmons struggling mightily at the plate for last 3 wks of games. At that point, more people were in favor of Simmons going down and getting some more seasoning, hitting at a higher level than Class A. Which he has done for first eight weeks of the season in impressive fashion.
DAP
May 31st, 2012
1:15 pm
i didnt like the strategy last night either. bottom of the 8th, the cards pitcher is wild. 8 straight balls, two on none out, and prado. is bunting. prado, the guy who has hit like .350 this month. the hottest hitter on the team! braves scored 2 runs in that inning, but i didnt like giving up an out to a wild pitcher.
ChattTownBrian (CTB)
May 31st, 2012
1:15 pm
Does anybody know what number Simmons will wear? I thought I read DOB say #19, but not sure. Thanks.
I’m weird about stuff, like what #’s players wear. I’m just weird
flange1
May 31st, 2012
1:16 pm
Thanks ’scoots, I see he got traded for Joe Pepitone, I remember him!
CrαZy
May 31st, 2012
1:18 pm
Was #19 what Esco wore?
CrαZy
May 31st, 2012
1:19 pm
I know Diory Hernandez wore #19.
Fols
May 31st, 2012
1:19 pm
DOB…if by chance Simmons has the jitters and there’s an error charged to the kid…can you temporarily shut-down the blog for a few minutes?
I’m sticken to my initial thought. Would have been much cooler to see each kid get 80 games and split the year to really see what we have. Make this season into an epic fight for the job. 80 is plenty of playing time to learn and not enough to burn!
hey that kinda rhymed?
phoenix
May 31st, 2012
1:22 pm
For the past couple of years, some of the “baseball experts” and scouts within the Braves organization have been telling anyone who’ll listen that Pastornicky was the next great Braves SS….all while he was booting the ball consistently in the minors.
Are any of these “experts” held accountable for misfires like this?
ncscoots
May 31st, 2012
1:23 pm
I know Diory Hernandez wore #19.
Let’s give the kid something else, then. Avoid the possibility of infection.
And, by the way, Livan still has the cursed locker, right? They won’t let him take Rev’s old locker and force the kid to the locker that shall not be named, will they?
Ease
May 31st, 2012
1:24 pm
Yunel wore #19
Simmons will wear #19
Ease also wore #19
George
May 31st, 2012
1:26 pm
HI y’ll
I had ISP problems the past two days, I did not stay away because we were winning, lol. Bet some of you thought I did. Two wins in a row WOW, FREDI for MGR of the year. Only kidding y’all. Hope real rough going over.
ncscoots
May 31st, 2012
1:27 pm
For the past couple of years, some of the “baseball experts” and scouts within the Braves organization have been telling anyone who’ll listen that Pastornicky was the next great Braves SS
I’m sorry, but this is completely untrue. At least, in the context of “next great” anything. In fact, I’d have to characterize this statement as “road apples, torpedo-sized”.
Fols
May 31st, 2012
1:29 pm
No George, there’s about 50 blog posts a day with the creative mind-set to spew Fire Fredi comments.
Nobody actually gives any “thought” to these at all, most of us are here as a fan of the Braves.
George
May 31st, 2012
1:29 pm
PASTOR down PERSIMMONS up. Good PASTORNICKY could not field well at all, maybe he would do better in outfield. He can hit a little.
Ease
May 31st, 2012
1:32 pm
I had ISP problems the past two days
Right Georgre, how convenient…about as believable as ___________.
George
May 31st, 2012
1:34 pm
Fols
May 31st, 2012
1:29 pm
No George, there’s about 50 blog posts a day with the creative mind-set to spew Fire Fredi comments.
Nobody actually gives any “thought” to these at all, most of us are here as a fan of the Braves.
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It seems being “a fan of the BRAVES ” means to you and some others, love FREDI even if BRAVES lose 77 to 92 games a year
Ease
May 31st, 2012
1:35 pm
My dog ate my homework.
TennesseePaul
May 31st, 2012
1:35 pm
some TV graphics guy claims are meaningful?
You really have no clue how the TV game programming works…
Ease
May 31st, 2012
1:36 pm
It seems being “a fan of the BRAVES ” means to you and some others, love FREDI even if BRAVES lose 77 to 92 games a year
Whoa, when has this ever happened?
cabravesfan
May 31st, 2012
1:37 pm
It seems being “a fan of the BRAVES ” means to you and some others, love FREDI even if BRAVES lose 77 to 92 games a year
Well, since this has not happened yet under Fredi…
TennesseePaul
May 31st, 2012
1:39 pm
Barry Bonds, Jose Canseco, Sammy Sosa hit… through age 22.
You left out a few more ‘roids/bat-corking post children in that statement.
James Toolin
May 31st, 2012
1:39 pm
Pile up them W’s!
Fols
May 31st, 2012
1:41 pm
Sorry George, not getting into that with you….i’m far too happy to see the team bounce back and win that series. Firing a coach while missing the playoffs by a single game, or being 2 games out of first in a tough division is not on my mind.
What is on my mind? Freeman’s eye sight for one. Couldn’t be happier to see Mac have a big game for us is number 2. Prado hitting like the Prado a couple years ago is 3. I’m concerned about our pitching staff right now (wouldn’t fire Fredi for that) is 4. To round out my top 5, i’m also thinking about what I should have for lunch.
Shaun
May 31st, 2012
1:41 pm
TennesseePaul, I’m sure Bonds, Canseco and Sosa would have remained on their pre-23 paths throughout their careers without PEDs. It’s so cut-and-dry how much PEDs helped them, of course.
George
May 31st, 2012
1:47 pm
Ease
May 31st, 2012
1:36 pm
It seems being “a fan of the BRAVES ” means to you and some others, love FREDI even if BRAVES lose 77 to 92 games a year
Whoa, when has this ever happened?
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They are on a pace to lose 75 this year, my pre-season prediction was 77 lose’s, without CHIPPER they will be about 70-92 next year unless a lot of different players. This team has a mind set that they cannot win consitently without CHIPPER. 19-5 with him 9-19 when he does not start.
Fols
May 31st, 2012
1:48 pm
Is it considered selfish to hate off-days?
phil
May 31st, 2012
1:49 pm
ncscoots
May 31st, 2012
12:57 pm
know you didn’t. Others have [trashed Bill shanks] though
yes, and that would be I. All day long. Guy is a complete buffoon.
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Way too harsh…
MFin04
May 31st, 2012
1:50 pm
“Barry Bonds, Jose Canseco, Sammy Sosa hit… through age 22.”
Are you suggesting Jason and the rest of them steroid-up?
Fols
May 31st, 2012
1:51 pm
70-92…there are multiple blog rules broken by giving your prediction a 22 game span.
cricket
May 31st, 2012
1:51 pm
Diaz swings at a ball that almost hit him and only purpose was to move the runner over.
Predicting at what ball Diaz will swing at is completely impossible. Anyway, I saw the replay multiple times and still don’t think that Diaz was purposefully giving up, leading to the assumption that it was a strategy decision. You think he was. No big deal. We just have to wait for Diaz’s next confessional to get to the truth…
Ease
May 31st, 2012
1:52 pm
So we (Braves Fans) love Fredi based on your predictions Georgre? Is that what you are saying?
How godly of you…
cabravesfan
May 31st, 2012
1:53 pm
George-
What you think might happen and what has actually happened are not the same thing. This is what you said: It seems being “a fan of the BRAVES ” means to you and some others, love FREDI even if BRAVES lose 77 to 92 games a year…which has NOT happened under Fredi
faninva
May 31st, 2012
1:54 pm
Just saw the news on Simmons. forgive me, i don’t know – is he a stolen base threat? Still miss the Richmond Braves, though this wouldn’t have helped me in this case…anyway, moving along….
cricket
May 31st, 2012
1:54 pm
speaking of PEDs, sorry if already posted -
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2012/magazine/05/29/baseball.steroids/index.html?sct=mlb_t12_a0
ncscoots
May 31st, 2012
1:55 pm
which has NOT happened under Fredi
Don’t jinx it, kiddo.
Venice Jim
May 31st, 2012
1:55 pm
This team has a mind set that they cannot win consitently without CHIPPER
By my calculations, going all the way back to May 29, 2012, we have won every game we have played without Chipper…now, try calling that a small sample size…
Brian from SC
May 31st, 2012
1:55 pm
faninva, I don’t think he has Pastornicky’s speed on the basepaths. No one is a stolen base threat hitting 8th, really.
jeffrey d
May 31st, 2012
1:56 pm
Ease – it’s my first time, and we’re going down the Broad River in Athens
ncscoots
May 31st, 2012
1:57 pm
now, try calling that a small sample size…
More data points will simply confirm the obvious trend.
faninva
May 31st, 2012
1:57 pm
thanks Brian. Venice – nice…real nice.
cricket
May 31st, 2012
1:57 pm
is he a stolen base threat?
more importantly, he is a stolen basehit threat
cabravesfan
May 31st, 2012
1:58 pm
ncscoots-
Didn’t say it WON’T or CAN’T happen, just that it HAS NOT
George
May 31st, 2012
1:58 pm
Fols
May 31st, 2012
1:51 pm
70-92…there are multiple blog rules broken by giving your prediction a 22 game span.
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forgot I had to keep thinks very very simple for some of you so you can understand. So I will state it as simple as I can, next year there will be about 70 wins and 92 lose’s.
phil
May 31st, 2012
1:59 pm
Fols
May 31st, 2012
1:48 pm
Is it considered selfish to hate off-days?
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No.
They’re baseball players. They sit and stand around for about 3-4 hours a day. Sometimes, they whine and complain about how tired they are after fielding a few ground balls, maybe signing a few autographs….
They love to play golf and drink like fish on these off days and thus make themselves more tired by the time the next game rolls around.
How’s that for a thoughtful and well-researched response!
Ease
May 31st, 2012
1:59 pm
jeffrey, was going to have a bit fun with you, but my wife and in our limited experience in Kauai, have only manage to paddle together in a straight line.
Its fun though! Enjoy it!
Fols
May 31st, 2012
2:01 pm
It has less to do with Chipper than you think. Now their contact lense distribution…..that’s an issue! My only guess is that contact lenses are manufactured in the northern region and not properly tested in the south. Couple days in Atlanta the lenses have soaked up the solution.
Boom….dry eyes!
phil
May 31st, 2012
2:01 pm
What are lose’s??
Ease
May 31st, 2012
2:01 pm
forgot I had to keep thinks very very simple for some of you so you can understand.
Guess you just overlooked that is how we have to treat you…and that you yourself must keep it simple for even you to understand yourself. Got it Georgre?
George
May 31st, 2012
2:02 pm
Venice Jim
May 31st, 2012
1:55 pm
This team has a mind set that they cannot win consitently without CHIPPER
By my calculations, going all the way back to May 29, 2012, we have won every game we have played without Chipper…now, try calling that a small sample size…
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It is Jim, I do like your sense of humor, wish more people had it. You are good people.
Bat Masterson
May 31st, 2012
2:04 pm
Okay, I’m not paying much attention, and did not sleep much last night, but whats Shaun’s point on Bonds.
Heyward was a much better hitter at 20 than Bonds at 21.
But Bonds improved at 22, and 23, fell off some at 24, took off at 25.
cricket
May 31st, 2012
2:05 pm
What are lose’s??
they are very very simple thinks
Fols
May 31st, 2012
2:07 pm
George I get what you are saying, okay so we are dipping down to a 70 win season next year, no Chipper and god forbid our coach sucks.
I don’t agree that the wheels will far off. This is a pretty good baseball team (yes the losing streak was hard to take in).
Bat Masterson
May 31st, 2012
2:10 pm
Bonds OPS+ 103, 114, 148, 126, 170
Heyward ……. 131, 94, 101
TennesseePaul
May 31st, 2012
2:10 pm
If Heyward keeps working at it, puts all his effort into it, he just might be the next Harold Baines.
George
May 31st, 2012
2:10 pm
Fols
May 31st, 2012
2:07 pm
Thank you Fols.
David O'Brien
May 31st, 2012
2:10 pm
Simmons will wear No. 19.
TennesseePaul
May 31st, 2012
2:12 pm
Bat, you seem to be implying that Heyward is moving in the wrong direction. Why would you do such a thing?
phil
May 31st, 2012
2:13 pm
If Heyward would hit the damn ball, something he seems incapable of doing on a consistent basis, then I like our chances next year….
phil
May 31st, 2012
2:15 pm
Send Simmons to AAA now before his inevitable failure to stick in the majors!!
Murph
May 31st, 2012
2:15 pm
I wonder if Carlos Quentin could be had relatively inexpensively from the Padres? Just coming off of surgery in a contract year… you know he’s going to be busting his ass to try and earn his next deal.
The Padres are completely out of the race and will be lucky to not lose over 100 games. I’d think that a handful of decent but not top-tier prospects could get the job done. Maybe Pastornicky and a couple of ok pitchers? I dunno… seems like he might be a guy worth kicking the tires on, especially if Chipper is going to be out more than we expected this season and Francrisco can’t handle the 3B duties.
Bat Masterson
May 31st, 2012
2:15 pm
10Paul, according to Shaun I’m incapable of seeing nuance, so I’m going with that.
Sopheee
May 31st, 2012
2:15 pm
George – Ease invited you to lunch earlier. You should take him up on it and discuss Fredi’s downfalls with him.
ChattTownBrian (CTB)
May 31st, 2012
2:19 pm
Thanks DOB, bloggers. You’ve satisfied my appetite of what number this kid wears.
ncscoots
May 31st, 2012
2:19 pm
If Heyward keeps working at it, puts all his effort into it, he just might be the next Harold Baines.
Geez, that begins to make even “Curt Blefary” look good.
phil
May 31st, 2012
2:20 pm
Is Chipper contemplating just hanging it up right now?
I doubt it very seriously, but it’s gotten very quiet where he’s concerned.
ChattTownBrian (CTB)
May 31st, 2012
2:21 pm
I’m excited damnit! I love a flashy SS. I was seriously holding my breath whenever something was hit to Pastornicky. He put up good at bats, but come on, could you see hmi starting SS in a playoff game or even a late season do or die game?
George
May 31st, 2012
2:21 pm
Sopheee
May 31st,
Sopheee, I don’t think the luch would be very pleasant. I have NEVER, EVER even during last years Sept fall off read EASE questioning FREDI’s moves.
phil
May 31st, 2012
2:21 pm
Who cares what number he wears…
Is he going to stop the blood bath of errors at short and hit the ball where they ain’t now and then?
DAP
May 31st, 2012
2:23 pm
murph, i was just having the exact same thoughts about quentin. he would be a good option for us especially the way the team is currently constructed.
Ease
May 31st, 2012
2:23 pm
Fredi moves kinda slow…gotta work on that.
ncscoots
May 31st, 2012
2:23 pm
Is he going to stop the blood bath of errors at short and hit the ball where they ain’t now and then?
Way too harsh, phil.
Fols
May 31st, 2012
2:26 pm
I hope Simmons runs with this…but i’m not going to expect more than one really good play per game with the glove and similar if not worse offensive numbers.
Yikes? Was that hating on the kid? Border line troll talking?
Okay! Kids going to be great and i’ll buy his player T…….jeeesh!
ncscoots
May 31st, 2012
2:26 pm
especially if Chipper is going to be out more than we expected this season
Well, considering that nobody in this joint would give the man credit for more than 100 games, to start with, I guess he’d have to be darn near retired completely to miss “more than expected”.
Ease
May 31st, 2012
2:27 pm
Oh and that was because you never put me on your good blogger list Georgre. If you had, then maybe more truthful posts might have been written, but all you got for your resistance was me bucking the system.
phil
May 31st, 2012
2:29 pm
lol, scoots.
But I don’t personally know the subject of my rant in fairness….
DAP
May 31st, 2012
2:29 pm
id love to see simmons win rookie of the year. who is in the running for it in the NL so far?
George
May 31st, 2012
2:31 pm
Ease
May 31st, 2012
2:23 pm
Fredi moves kinda slow…gotta work on that.
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Yup he does, he needs about 10 case’s of 5 HOUR ENERGY. Then he might MOVE enough so we know he is alive.
DAP
May 31st, 2012
2:31 pm
murph, i think quentin would also be a good choice for us because of his familiarity with our hitting coach. the guy can change a game, and weve have some ABs available for a corner outfielder, in my opinion.