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Bat Masterson
May 31st, 2012
11:21 am
Short Facebook, scoots? That was a pretty expensive (borrowing cost wise) position to take a few days ago.
Brian from SC
May 31st, 2012
11:22 am
Simmons/Prado/Constanza on the left side of the diamond is a dramatic defensive improvement over Pastornicky/Francisco/Prado. When Chipper comes back, the defense will take a little hit, but the offense of Jones>Constanza will obviously make up for it.
CrαZy
May 31st, 2012
11:23 am
Move Juan out to LF and Prado to 3rd
Wouldn’t that basically be like playing Hinske in LF??
Jimmy
May 31st, 2012
11:23 am
“I wouldn’t mind seeing a cardboard cut out of Chipper at 3rd.”
Might be more durable than the real one.
Juan
May 31st, 2012
11:23 am
DOB….Thanks for the Info…no idea Stanton number was so BIG….i know he hit a lot of Homer from the highlight on TV…but no idea…
Brian from SC
May 31st, 2012
11:23 am
Juan who, AT? Francisco? What makes you think he can play LF?
Gil in Mechanicsville
May 31st, 2012
11:24 am
Wait until Facebook hits the low $20 then buy, they will be back up to the $40s in about a year. Then again, I am more of a “smokestack” sort of guy. At least when they go belly up, the company will still bring in 10 cents a pound….
Juan
May 31st, 2012
11:25 am
When Chipper come from the DL send Juan Francisco to Gwinnett…this Kid need to play everyday.
Shaun
May 31st, 2012
11:27 am
DOB, Freeman’s OPS+ this season is 109, McCann’s is 101, Heyward’s is 101. I would say he’s done better or either the other guys have done worse this season than most realize. I’m not sure about “doing better.” I don’t know what he’s doing currently. Perhaps resting. Perhaps he’s on a flight; not sure when the Braves flew to Washington or are flying out. All I know is what he has done.
Lew, or you could actually look at actual measures of things that matter to creating and preventing runs and pay attention to those measures instead of any ol’ stat that tradition deems sacred.
Prado and Votto have been pretty close in value to Stanton this month. Stanton will blow those other guys away because I’m sure no one who determines that award (like most awards) pays enough attention to defense and baserunning.
Lew
May 31st, 2012
11:27 am
FRancisco has played 1B and in the outfield in the minors – not much, but he has some experience there.
David O'Brien
May 31st, 2012
11:29 am
Frightening thought: Stanton only turned 22 in Nov. He’s younger than Freeman and Heyward and only a month older than Pastornicky.
Murph
May 31st, 2012
11:29 am
I just read an article predicting Facebook’s ultimate demise… at first I scoffed, but the more I read, the more it made sense. I think, much like MySpace and other social networks, it will take a long, long time for it to happen, but eventually, something else will take its place. And it will be much more mobile-centric.
I personally don’t like Facebook and am on it as little as possible.
ncscoots
May 31st, 2012
11:29 am
Only money, Bat.
I don’t do much of that sort of thing anymore, since I re-balanced everything when I retired. I’m more of a just-check-the-quarterlies guy now, but I was ready for this one. And no, I didn’t really take an Aspen-cottage position, LOL. Somewhat less than that.
Arkansas Transplant
May 31st, 2012
11:29 am
Brian from SC, I believe he’s played outfield before, but I could be mistaken. As far as a comparison of Hinske and Juan… well, Hinske has looked completely lost this year. I’d say in terms of productivity with the bat, Juan has the edge right now in my opinion.
Brian from SC
May 31st, 2012
11:33 am
10 games in LF in the minors. I don’t think it’s a good sign he’s never gotten in a single game in the outfield in the majors. As limited as his range is at a position where you don’t need much, imagine what he’d look like rumbling around in the outfield. No thanks.
Lew
May 31st, 2012
11:33 am
I’ve actually enjoyed FB, though I don’t originate all that many posts. Found lots of artist friends I haven’t seen for years posting all sorts of great artwork, met a few new artist friends from overseas and a few people I’d lost touch with. Makes it worthwhile for me.
Lew
May 31st, 2012
11:34 am
Brian – Like I said – he hasn’t much playing time there.
Shaun
May 31st, 2012
11:36 am
DOB, “The Mission” is simply appropriate valuation of Heyward. It’s not to claim he’s doing better than most other major league right fielders or that he’s a star or anything.
But unfortunately if you make the claim that folks need to step back and realize the sky isn’t falling with Heyward and that he isn’t destined to be Brad Komminsk and Jeff Francoeur rolled in to one, you are perceived as a fanboy that is claiming he’s Willie Mays or Hank Aaron or Babe Ruth or something.
David O'Brien
May 31st, 2012
11:37 am
Shaun, your “doing better” vs. “has done” semantics point was about as weak as anything you’ve ever written. Seriously, how old are you?
Do you seriously not understand using the present tense to describe how someone is doing in an ongoing pursuit, such as a season or career, or life in general? If you’re sitting around one weekend chatting with a friend who says he’s doing well at work, do you correct him by saying he’s “done well,” not “doing well” since it’s the weekend and he’s actually not at the office working?
Ridiculous.
You probably should just stick to looking down your nose at us laymen, and keep reciting stats that only a small percentage of fans care about (since things like simple OPS have become quaint and passe to you and the, ahem, think tank).
jeffrey d
May 31st, 2012
11:37 am
I’ll be at the game next Saturday. I’ll start a Standing Pout for Yunel.
Brian from SC
May 31st, 2012
11:38 am
DOB, when Chipper comes off the DL, is demoting Francisco an option? Does he have options? I can see a scenario with Constanza continuing to hit well that the Braves would be better off with him on the bench over Juan. Prado can back up 3B, and Francisco would pretty much have the same role as Hinske.
Bat Masterson
May 31st, 2012
11:38 am
A nice play, scoots. Congrats
jeffrey d
May 31st, 2012
11:39 am
And don’t get Shaun started on RBIs
keylargo
May 31st, 2012
11:39 am
BAT
How’s this make you feel about it’s $38 IPO.
“The company is only worth about $7.50 a share. And, no. That’s not a typo. There is no missing zero or a placeholder,” said Fitz-Gerald. “Revenue is already slowing and the company does not and cannot possibly dominate the mobile markets that are becoming the preferred channel for millions of people. Worse, startups are already cannibalizing Facebook’s user base as concerns over privacy and who likes who mount.”
Lew
May 31st, 2012
11:40 am
At least there’s only one way to figure OPS – not the grab bag approach of WAR and it’s ” we’ll take whichever one fits our hypothesis” approach.
Jimmy
May 31st, 2012
11:42 am
Can we trade Shaun for a BTBNL?
Ease
May 31st, 2012
11:42 am
Its RBI…
Not Runs Batted Ins…
flange1
May 31st, 2012
11:43 am
Franciso has no options left, that is why the Reds moved him
David O'Brien
May 31st, 2012
11:43 am
DOB, when Chipper comes off the DL, is demoting Francisco an option? Does he have options?
He doesn’t have any minor league options.
Brian from SC
May 31st, 2012
11:43 am
Thanks, flange. Then I think Francisco stays.
MFin04
May 31st, 2012
11:44 am
Gotta love Frank Wren.
We love our starting rotation…and need Medlen in the bullpen. Oh wait, we love Medlen as a starter, he is our secret weapon.
We love Tyler at SS. His defense is great. Oh wait his defense is lacking and we needed more.
Funny how a lot of fans said he was going well defensively, yet the team sent him down because of poor defense. The kid was bad defensively all year…couldn’t make the plays most MLB SS make.
ncscoots
May 31st, 2012
11:45 am
Bat, I should probably mention that I didn’t make the move while the short price was through the roof. I was anxious for the play, but not suicidal.
Once the liquidity fears cleared up, bada-bing.
Brian from SC
May 31st, 2012
11:45 am
MFin04, no GM goes out on limbs and says everything they think all the time. A lot of what they say is just being protective of the players. But when a change has to be made, they do it.
cricket
May 31st, 2012
11:46 am
No one would dare give him any respect, especially after two wins, but I think Fredi has done a great job of managing the last couple of days.
this should be a bozoeble offense here. remember the blog commandment – you will never give any credit to Fredi, Dan or Durbin, no matter the results
Bat Masterson
May 31st, 2012
11:46 am
key_
Yeah, I saw numbers like that last week, too. Can you imagine how people that bought on the open the first day feel. Crazy stuff
I’m just an observer on that one.
cricket
May 31st, 2012
11:47 am
Can we trade Shaun for a BTBNL?
no need to trade, just DFA him
MFin04
May 31st, 2012
11:47 am
“He doesn’t have any minor league options.”
Funny, because he doesn’t have any major league options, either.
Brian from SC
May 31st, 2012
11:48 am
Through 52 games, the Braves have given up a .268 batting average on ground balls, nearly 30 points higher than last year. I’m going to keep track of it and see if there’s a difference after the SS change.
cricket
May 31st, 2012
11:49 am
Yes, stupid Frank Wren. Doesn’t realize that he is stick to whatever he said once with complete disregard to addressing changing situations. Doesn’t he realize that his spoken word is like constitution and can not be amended?
MFin04
May 31st, 2012
11:51 am
“Doesn’t realize that he is stick to whatever he said once with complete disregard to addressing changing situations.”
Nope, but he doesn’t need to blow smoke and fib quite so much. I mean soon he is going to come out and say that Chipper could play another few years and that he is in the best shape of his career.
cricket
May 31st, 2012
11:51 am
Diaz PH and purposedly gives self up going to right side to advance runner.
if i remember correctly, Diaz hit a hot shot to 1B that advanced runner. he didn’t bunt. how does that translate to giving self up purposefully?
flange1
May 31st, 2012
11:52 am
I wanted to short Facebook on IPO day and was talked out of it.
Not sure why it is trading over 20 right now!
flange1
May 31st, 2012
11:52 am
I wanted to short Facebook on IPO day and was talked out of it.
Not sure why it is trading over 20 right now!
CrαZy
May 31st, 2012
11:52 am
MFin04…
Funny because if Frank would’ve said “We don’t really like Tyler at SS. His defense is lacking, but we’re wanting to give AS some more time in AA before calling him up” people would’ve been bashing him for saying that. Talk about crushing what little confidence Tyler had.
Frank was doing his job playing GM with the Media exactly what most GM’s and coaches do all the time. Frank and Fredi aren’t the only one’s that play the game with the media.
MFin04
May 31st, 2012
11:53 am
So when does Heyward get sent to the minors to figure out his offense?
ncscoots
May 31st, 2012
11:53 am
I’m just an observer on that one.
folks who lived and invested through the dot-com boom-and-bust tend to be the tiniest bit more leery of smoke-and-mirrors valuations, anymore. The Facebook number, I just couldn’t find the foundation for it. Lots of reasons, yeah, but the fundamentals just kept eluding me.
Brian from SC
May 31st, 2012
11:53 am
Part of any GM’s job is blowing smoke. Their real work goes on behind the scenes, and they don’t need everybody knowing everything.
Brian from SC
May 31st, 2012
11:54 am
DOB, it has been suggested that the on-field guys (like Fredi) were in favor of Simmons from the beginning at SS, but Wren ultimately went with the Rev. Is this true?
MFin04
May 31st, 2012
11:56 am
Tyler’s confidence is going to get crushed by getting sent down, not by what a GM says. I think baseball players are smart enough to know that GM’s are full of crap most of the time anyways. You take what they say with a grain of salt.
The truth of the matter is that his defense wasn’t good and his bat wasn’t that good. I mean .280 on base hitting in front of the pitcher? Not good. Look at what McLouth did hitting in front of the pitcher and he couldn’t even hit the ball.
keylargo
May 31st, 2012
11:56 am
Bat – Lucent Technologies rearranged my life.
CrαZy
May 31st, 2012
11:56 am
Boy I think players would love playing for a coach and GM that did nothing but answered every question with the media as truthfully as possible.
cricket
May 31st, 2012
11:57 am
I mean soon he is going to come out and say that Chipper could play another few years and that he is in the best shape of his career.
how much you wanna bet on that?
look, i can understand that you don’t like him but expecting him to stick completely to anything he has said in media doesn’t seem practical.
MFin04
May 31st, 2012
12:00 pm
It is dumb to blow smoke, when everyone clearly knows you are lying. I mean if I came out and said Shaun hates stats and has never looked at stats, the statement is clearly ridiculous and there is no point in making it.
Or if a football coach comes out and says: “San Francisco coach Jim Harbaugh insists the 49ers planned to have Alex Smith as their quarterback even while they examined the possibility of signing then-free agent Peyton Manning.”
No one in their right might is going to believe that a coach wanted Alex Smith or Peyton Manning, that is absurd.
cricket
May 31st, 2012
12:01 pm
Not Runs Batted Ins…
you can point this out only if you use criterion instead of criteria when talking about a singular measure…
jeffrey d
May 31st, 2012
12:02 pm
I’m making a singular RBI plural. And if we’re going to be picky about semantics, if you’re discussing multiple runs batted in, I expect to see you say “RsBI”
Hugo Z Hackenbush
May 31st, 2012
12:03 pm
Fun fact…Heyward’s season OPS+ is the same as Constanza’s career OPS+!
MFin04
May 31st, 2012
12:03 pm
“i can understand that you don’t like him ”
I like him. I like Fredi as well. I just think it is absurd to say utter garbage in the media. I mean people, hopefully, are smart enough to see through it.
Bat Masterson
May 31st, 2012
12:04 pm
key _
Is that rearranged in a good way, or bad?
Tomahawkin
May 31st, 2012
12:05 pm
Seeing Heyward Struggle like this really makes us Spoiled when A. Jones was Clowning in his 3rd year in 1998…
MFin04
May 31st, 2012
12:07 pm
Heyward just makes me depressed. I keep expecting him to break out and be Matt Kemp….not Nate McLouth.
Lew
May 31st, 2012
12:09 pm
MFin04 – And why, exactly, do you think Wren should even care what you think of him, his utterances or what he actually does or doesn’t do? You in the chain of command or something? Or just kind of think you are?
Brian from SC
May 31st, 2012
12:11 pm
The last time every team in a division was over .500 after games of May 30th was in 1996 (A 4-team NL West).
2012 is the first time in baseball history that two division have been completely composed of winning teams on May 30th.
TennesseePaul
May 31st, 2012
12:11 pm
I’m going to keep track of it and see if there’s a difference after the SS change.
Are you able to tell now when looking at who is in there, Pastornicky vs Wilson?
Brian from SC
May 31st, 2012
12:12 pm
No, TP. It would just have to be an overall measure.
cricket
May 31st, 2012
12:14 pm
ok, i’m bored with this topic. this is my last comment.
FW initially said Meds is better suited in BP for braves. i, for one , as a dumass did not think he was blowing any smoke then, as i actually agreed with that assessment at that point. later on, starting pitching kept on going to hell, esp. with Minor’s major struggles and FW sent Meds to AAA to stretch out, most prob. taking Minor’s spot when he comes back up. again, as a dumass, i thought this made sense. i guess i’m the only one who can makes sense of his comments like a sheeple and not able to clearly see that he’s like a lawyer – you know he’s lying when his lips are moving, apparently for no reason at all.
TennesseePaul
May 31st, 2012
12:16 pm
Really? I would have thought going by CG played for either player one could compute what the numbers would be. Obviously it would mean tossing out the games where they both played…simply to avoid going through the numbers inning by inning, but even then that could be done.
Ease
May 31st, 2012
12:16 pm
I expect to see you say “RsBI”
As in Runs’s Batted Ins?
OK, fine by me…
Brian from SC
May 31st, 2012
12:18 pm
TP, I don’t have enough patience to go through every game and count the groundballs. I am just using baseball-reference’s “Groundball” split. I will look at whatever number it says for the team and subtract out the 170/365 they currently have. It will be quite a few games before the number begins to mean anything, because of sample size.
keylargo
May 31st, 2012
12:20 pm
BAT
You know I have a CGC license in FL. I had a 60,000 sq ft project go “ten toes” in the middle of it because for the construction financing, the owner had used Lucent Tech stock as collateral.
MFin04
May 31st, 2012
12:23 pm
The part that didn’t make sense with Simmons vs Pastornicky was that Simmons was always the better defender.
brian
May 31st, 2012
12:25 pm
DOB- any chance the Braves send Heyward to AAA for 2-3 weeks to figure things out when Chipper returns from the DL? I wouldn’t have thought it possible but the Braves did send Jurrjens down. They could have Constanza move to RF and Prado play LF with Chipper at 3B. They can keep the lineup the same just inserting Chipper into Heyward’s 6th spot in the order
Frankie Wren
May 31st, 2012
12:27 pm
If you watched it was obvious Diaz intentionally tried to hit the ball to the right side. It was so awkward even for Diaz.
brian
May 31st, 2012
12:28 pm
remember just 2 years ago Kemp was struggling big time – low batting average, lots of K’s, errors, attitude concerns, etc. For years people wondered if he would reach his potential. Then last year he hit it with a resounding yes
phil
May 31st, 2012
12:28 pm
CrαZy
May 31st, 2012
10:29 am
I read an article once that compared Bill Shanks to Sean Hannity… Other than one is sports and based out of Macon and the other is politics and has 2 national shows I think that’s about right both like to complain, both constantly yell about things, both think they’re always right, and also think everyone is in love with.
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I know shanks a bit. He’s not a bad guy at all. He does not yell. He does not think he’s always right. He does not think everyone is in love with him. Hardly.
He does love to gripe and complain. So what. He has good reason to do so from time to time and sometimes often. What kind of radio show would the man have if he talked like some on here do and said all was well, great and rosy when it sometimes isn’t?
He is quick to throw people under the bus and maybe he should scale that back some. But to totally trash the man isn’t being fair.
How many of you are willing to risk failure by sticking your necks on the public chopping block every day?
Exactly. Practically none.
Brian from SC
May 31st, 2012
12:30 pm
I wouldn’t do it, brian. Even at his worst, Heyward stands to give you as much or more than Constanza.
Heyward has had three different official hitting coaches in the majors, and probably a bunch more unofficial and armchair ones. To this point, he appears to be the type to let slumps and the accompanying pressure erode at his confidence. I’m not sure how you fix that. But I do think he has things to contribute to the major league club. I think the Braves need him out there. A day off may do him some good (maybe against the next lefty), but I wouldn’t do a demotion.
phil
May 31st, 2012
12:31 pm
David O’Brien
May 31st, 2012
11:29 am
Frightening thought: Stanton only turned 22 in Nov. He’s younger than Freeman and Heyward and only a month older than Pastornicky.
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Yeah, and unlike our two, for whom the excuses rarely ever stop, Stanton can play and does play and play well.
Brian from SC
May 31st, 2012
12:33 pm
Diaz tries to hit the ball to the right side every time he’s at the plate. Last year, 75% of his hits were to the opposite field or up the middle (and more were oppo than middle).
keylargo
May 31st, 2012
12:33 pm
The Braves basically tried to give the SS job to Simmons in Spring Training but he injured his side.
phil
May 31st, 2012
12:35 pm
Brian from SC
May 31st, 2012
11:38 am
DOB, when Chipper comes off the DL, is demoting Francisco an option? Does he have options? I can see a scenario with Constanza continuing to hit well that the Braves would be better off with him on the bench over Juan. Prado can back up 3B, and Francisco would pretty much have the same role as Hinske.
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Chipper hasn’t even been in the dugout since the surgery on his lower leg.
He isn’t coming back anytime real soon.
Notice how the almost daily updates on his condition all season have stopped?
I get the feeling we’ll be fortunate to have him back by July 1st.
jeffrey d
May 31st, 2012
12:35 pm
Why are we making a deal out of RBIs? I’ve said it before and I’m going to keep saying it. Most people refer to it as an RBI, making the unit RBI. The plural of that would be RBI.
It’s not like I’m calling them something crazy like “cajoodles”
Bat Masterson
May 31st, 2012
12:37 pm
key_
Yeah, I knew you had a lisence. Hate to hear it, something like that would truly suck.
Brian from SC
May 31st, 2012
12:37 pm
I don’t know, phil…I would like to think a bruise, even an extremely bad one, wouldn’t keep him out that long.
Hugo Z Hackenbush
May 31st, 2012
12:37 pm
No big fan of Fredi, but there was absolutely nothing wrong with moving the runner to third with no outs.
Shaun
May 31st, 2012
12:37 pm
DOB, with concern to baseball, I feel the need to distinguish between “doing” and “has done,” otherwise we get stats in a small, i.e. insignificant, samples.
And how about I site performance and measures of baseball performance instead of random stats that some baseball card company or some TV graphics guy claims are meaningful?
phil
May 31st, 2012
12:37 pm
Brian from SC
May 31st, 2012
11:48 am
Through 52 games, the Braves have given up a .268 batting average on ground balls, nearly 30 points higher than last year. I’m going to keep track of it and see if there’s a difference after the SS change.
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how does this number treat errors? Count them as hits or what?
flange1
May 31st, 2012
12:38 pm
How many cajoodles will Heyward have this year?
MFin04
May 31st, 2012
12:38 pm
Chipper is a day or two away!
Brian from SC
May 31st, 2012
12:38 pm
Every hitter should be trying to hit the ball to the right side with a runner on 2nd and no outs. Doesn’t mean you’re not also trying to get a hit. In Diaz’s case, he hits that way all the time anyway.
cricket
May 31st, 2012
12:38 pm
i vote for RBIs
Brian from SC
May 31st, 2012
12:39 pm
phil, the errors would actually count against the batting average on ground balls, since it’s an 0 for 1 for the hitter. But the number of errors is so small relative to the total ground balls, it doesn’t make a big difference.
Ease
May 31st, 2012
12:40 pm
jeffrey, your sarcasm meter is running low today…maybe vacay doesn’t suit you…
Or maybe two of the most sarcastic characters on the blog should not banter back and forth.
Eh, I’ll just tip my cap and move along, stir the pot somewhere else…
jeffrey d
May 31st, 2012
12:40 pm
crap, RBIs**
phil
May 31st, 2012
12:40 pm
MFin04
May 31st, 2012
12:03 pm
“i can understand that you don’t like him ”
I like him. I like Fredi as well. I just think it is absurd to say utter garbage in the media. I mean people, hopefully, are smart enough to see through it.
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If you read these AJC blogs enough, you’ll see that most are not smart enough.
jeffrey d
May 31st, 2012
12:41 pm
Sorry, Ease. I think you’re right.
I’m going kayaking tomorrow, and starting Monday I’ll be out with the carnival cross country team for conditioning, then the next week the carnival summer session starts, so my vacay won’t be too long
CrαZy
May 31st, 2012
12:43 pm
But to totally trash the man isn’t being fair.
I didn’t trash him… I only told about something I had read about him and agreed. The guy might be a great person I don’t know I’ve never meet him. I can only judge by what I hear and read!
keylargo
May 31st, 2012
12:43 pm
Bat – things were in turmoil for two years. Lost considerably more than I ever hoped to make on the job and spent triple the amount of time it would have taken to build it.
Frankie Wren
May 31st, 2012
12:44 pm
I don’t agree with that 100%. Prado does a great job doing that in the first inning with Bourn on second and taking a early lead. Good strategdy. If 7th or 8th, same thing. Wilson just gave you a lead and Diaz pinch hitting with no outs. Sixth inning only, and playing for one run. Why not go for jugular and play for big inning? Like I said, Diaz usually hits to the right side so chances are he will advance Wilson if he doesn’t get a knock. Why purposedly give yourself up? Watch the replay. Diaz swings at a ball that almost hit him and only purpose was to move the runner over. With Diaz, and top of the order with Bourn and Prado following, play for the big inning. If Diaz doesn’t advance, top of the order has a good shot of bringing in Wilson. Diaz gets a hit, the game might not be a nailbiter. I think it is good strategy to go to right side, just not every situation.
Brian from SC
May 31st, 2012
12:44 pm
phil, on a second look, baseball reference does have the number of ROE available for the ground ball split, so its an easy calculation.
Opposing hitters are 170/635 on ground balls this year (.268). Without the 14 ROEs, they are 170/621, a .274 average.
phil
May 31st, 2012
12:44 pm
cricket
May 31st, 2012
12:14 pm
ok, i’m bored with this topic. this is my last comment.
FW initially said Meds is better suited in BP for braves. i, for one , as a dumass did not think he was blowing any smoke then, as i actually agreed with that assessment at that point. later on, starting pitching kept on going to hell, esp. with Minor’s major struggles and FW sent Meds to AAA to stretch out, most prob. taking Minor’s spot when he comes back up. again, as a dumass, i thought this made sense. i guess i’m the only one who can makes sense of his comments like a sheeple and not able to clearly see that he’s like a lawyer – you know he’s lying when his lips are moving, apparently for no reason at all.
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Or like a cricket….
Ease
May 31st, 2012
12:47 pm
Where do you kayak? My wife and I are kayakers too…