12:57 pm May 28, 2012, by David O'Brien
May 28th, 20125:06 pm
Wren does what Liberty Media allows him to do. Wrens is the one who is in charge, and calling the shots.
May 28th, 20125:09 pm
nolie if you are around, you asked last night if anyone had seen Continuum, I did and I thought it was pretty promising. Give it a shot.
May 28th, 20125:10 pm
but he is not the one who makes the budget up, how hard is that to understand?
May 28th, 20125:11 pm
It kills me when a white guy mentions racism. When has it ever affected u moron? Don’t worry….ill wait.
May 28th, 20125:14 pm
All, I’ll talk later tonight……Going to enjoy the rest of the day. Right now this team has a “Broken Arrow”, and it’s do to Wren…….Peace my friends, and “Go!!!!!Braves!!!!!”
May 28th, 20125:15 pm
Racism is racism, sirluciouscp. If you don’t like racism against you, then don’t bring racism against anyone else, child.
May 28th, 20125:16 pm
May 28th, 2012
I don’t think you understood his post….Try again.
some white guys lose jobs to affirmative action despite being more qualified. I’m sure that they as individuals feel they have been affected by racism, at least in a round about way.
May 28th, 20125:17 pm
Having 3 million set aside makes no sense to me. Just because “everybody does it” doesn’t make it smart. Why spot the opposition an advantage from day one of the season that you will have to make up instead of trying to have your best team on the field on day one?
The last time I remember the Braves getting a real difference maker at the deadline was McGriff. I haven’t seen a deadline deal since then that has made a real difference for the Braves.
I would rather Wren and company send a message to the team that “this is what you have from day one, better use it!” instead of going back to McQuirk and saying, “we were sellers at the deadline Terrry and I saved you 3 million to boot!”
May 28th, 20125:20 pm
Yep, I’m really here!
May 28th, 20125:22 pm
Braves are now 19-5 with Chipper in lineup, 7-19 without him in lineup
McCann: “We’ve got to turn this thing around soon. We’ve got to swing the bats a little bit better, and play all phases of the games a little bit better.”
May 28th, 20125:23 pm
exactly when was the last time that the Braves were sellers at the deadline, DTA ?
May 28th, 20125:24 pm
Hanson: “I don’t think anybody’s panicking right now. Obviously when we come to the field we want to win that game. But nobody’s panicking around here. We’re still above .500 right now, and as soon as we start playing good …. we know we were just in first place. We were just beating teams and sweeping teams and taking two out of three. So we know once we’re healthy and back playing well, we’re going to win games and we’re going to be there in the end….
“We need our guys to get healthy and to be out there, but there’s nothing we can do about it right now. We’ve got to work with what we’ve got. And we’ve got to compete. A lot of our loss today was my inability to go out there and compete and give us a chance to win. Giving up six runs in three innings when we’re not playing well isn’t going to get the job done. I took a lot of the blame today. We’ve got to do a better job of competing and trying to win these games.”
Actually Mac, you need to swing the bats and play all phases of the game a LOT better!
May 28th, 20125:26 pm
I remember when Yunel Escobar (SS) was heavily criticized for having “a bad attitude”..Je, je, je…Now the bad attitude is in many players of this team…Yunel, we miss you..
May 28th, 20125:27 pm
Chipper has played very well when healthy but not huge enough to explain the stark difference in records. Chipper is still on the bench a lot. What are your thoughts DOB in the lack of results without Chipper?
May 28th, 20125:28 pm
Joe – we do not miss Yunel at all – not on the field either. Check out his numbers
May 28th, 20125:30 pm
I already have no confidence in Wren but if he re-signs McCann to a long term deal it will prove beyond the shadow of a doubt that he is a moron. He is falling apart at the worst position to fall apart at. It will only go down from here. How can you sit there and watch your team struggling like this and not even try to get out there??? Not to mention laughing and joking in the dugout. Signing him to another contract and not trading him will set this team back YEARS. When we absolutely need Mac the most he is not there…..last September and NOW! You are supposed to be the leader of this team!!!!!!! GET OUT THERE. It’s a shame, just a shame
Gotta Be .....
May 28th, 20125:31 pm
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May 28th, 20125:33 pm
Well I laid my head on the railroad tracks
waiting for the Double “E”
But that train don’t run by here no more
Poor, poor pitiful me
Poor, poor pitiful me
Poor, poor pitiful me
Those loosin’ Braves won’t let me be
Lord have mercy on me
Woe is me
May 28th, 20125:34 pm
Some of the biggest, stupidest DUMB ASSES posting here when the Braves lose.
Yall stupid son-of-a bitches grow up.
Act your f-in age.
Is anyone having as much a problem with Roger McDowell as our pitching coach as I am? Going back to that 9 game losing streak mentioned in the article, who was our pitching coach? McDowell.
I’m ready for the Braves to give him the heave ho. He’s just not cutting it. Most teams have a “go to guy” but we don’t. Hudson is suppose to be ours but since he’s gotten back, he’s either been really good or really bad. I do blame Fredi Gonzalez for his last loss though. He should have been taken out of that game and was left in there too long.
May 28th, 20125:36 pm
May 28th, 20125:37 pm
girls don’ say “give the heave ho”, quit pretending
Thank you DOB
May 28th, 20125:38 pm
Read my 5:34
Read it again
don’t you agree,nolie?
May 28th, 20125:39 pm
Hey Danny, why don’t you get sick with the flu and see if you are able “to get out there” to your job and perform it? I guess you did not see the game he went into when Ross got hurt and sick as a dog, catching something like 7 innings. You probably don’t even keep up with this team regularly and someone told you he was sick and you just assumed it was a one day thing but he’s been so sick, he can barely function so think before you speak since you apparently don’t know the whole situation.
May 28th, 20125:40 pm
pretty much, Gotta Be
I say “heave ho” See, I said it there again.
May 28th, 20125:41 pm
Thank you for the post game quotes, DOB.
definitely a masculine phrase, HUH
May 28th, 20125:43 pm
It is better to go on a streak like this early when there is time to recover. We need a front line pitcher to anchor this rotation, but we have no money to get one. You don’t go 22-9 without any talent. I can’t explain the 0-8, but we can go on a hot streak. Need to get healthy. If we get healthy and Wren can pull off a miracle for a front line starter, we have a good shot.
May 28th, 20125:45 pm
How ya doin nolie?
Thanks for the quotes, DOB.
May 28th, 20125:46 pm
ok Ivan. How is your mom? I hope you both are holding up.
May 28th, 20125:50 pm
Why do I get the feeling that nolie and ivan are the same person? Most likely a few others….
May 28th, 20125:52 pm
22 – 9 + 0 – 8 = 22 – 17 = .565 = 91 wins
May 28th, 20125:53 pm
probably because you are an utter idiot jimbob.
May 28th, 20125:55 pm
Ivan, I hope everything is going well with y’all.
May 28th, 20125:56 pm
May 28th, 2012
Spoken like the true dolt that you are….
May 28th, 20125:57 pm
I’m not the jimbob, jimbob, you are. why do I think you were Maria?
May 28th, 20125:58 pm
The Houston Astros are better than the Braves are now.
Great accomplishment guys. Gotta go for number 9 tommorrow. Keep it going boys, your on the right track to ………………………………..
JS wrote a letter after last year’s collapse. Frank Wren did little this off-season to improve the team. Fredi is over his head. Our starting pitching is collapsing. Time to clean house. But, with the Braves way of doing things, nothing will be done.
May 28th, 20125:59 pm
if you are gonna lose 8 in a row you might as well go for the all-time record, right ?
May 28th, 20126:00 pm
Wish we would have drafted Stanton…could have had him, Heyward, and Freddie.
May 28th, 20126:03 pm
jimbob, nolie doesn’t use other monikers.
richbrave, though. He’s a sly one.
May 28th, 20126:04 pm
but we wanted Jon Gilmore way more Jason…..
jimbob uses them though, Trey
May 28th, 20126:05 pm
Nope…I rarely post on here.
Thanks, Nolie. That was the name I was looking for! Didn’t we draft one other player between J-Hey and FF too? We had two picks where we could have taken Stanton, No?
May 28th, 20126:07 pm
May 28th, 20126:09 pm
nolie, Trey- Thanks for asking. She has had good and bad days of late.. Took a chemo for first time week or so ago, kinda slowed her down. Appetite is not big but I encourage her to eat. Has another round in another week or so. Praying she can beat this thing.
Talk to yall next weekend, been on call this holiday weekend, had to run some no a/c calls last few days.. My luck being on call on a holiday…
May 28th, 20126:12 pm
yeah Josh Fields in the second round, but I had to look that one up, Jason
May 28th, 20126:15 pm
There it is…Jon Gilmore and Josh Fields. Yikes. Would have rather drafted David Gilmour than Jon Gilmore…
May 28th, 20126:16 pm
We need someone to come out and put up some 0s. Period. That’s how losing streaks are ended.
May 28th, 20126:21 pm
McCann should be traded, before he goes all “Jair Jurrgens” on us and tanks his value by having an injury plagued none productive season (all the warning signs are there folks, if you refuse to see them that’s fine with me but it doesn’t make it not true).
May 28th, 20126:24 pm
What other truths can you share with the flock, O wise Supersage?
updated game story with quotes:
just because you think you see them doesn’t make it true, either
The Archbishop of Canterbury
May 28th, 20126:36 pm
Well, I guess if Chipper means that much to this franchise he better find a way to reprise the Going Away Tour next year. By the way, whatever happened to that Earl Williams guy whon predicted Uggla would be a bust, said Halladay would soon break down from Jed Clampett’s overuse and also Nostradamused that Utley would never be the same. He also implied Fredo was the guitar player in Deliverance after a 42 year maturation period. I’m not giving himuch credit for the Fredo Gonzalez desription but the Halladay and Utley thing was pretty prescient.
May 28th, 20126:40 pm
Why in the Hell would we need Heyward if we had Stanton? Stanton makes our guy look like a prepubescent newcomer to a prep school. Don’t mention the names in the same sentence.
May 28th, 20126:42 pm
Yeah, predicting that Utley with his chronic knee condition was going to miss time sure took supernatural skills.
May 28th, 20126:43 pm
May 28th, 2012
Time to clean house. But, with the Braves way of doing things, nothing will be done.
Kinda reminds you of the Hawks, Falcons, Thrashers, Flames, etc.
Anyone see a common thread here?
Train Wreck Bystander
May 28th, 20126:46 pm
Freeman should try sitting in the stands for a few games. The tears would flow like water.
Common thread? Yeah, they’re all from Atlanta – after thaty? No.
Olive Oyl Thinks "popeye" Is a Wuss
May 28th, 20126:47 pm
You guys aren’t going to believe a faceless guy on a Blog so independently describe Freeman’s eye condition to an opthamologist you know and check out his or her’s prognosis for the Braves’ 1B. Let’s just hope this kid doesn’t rush back and end up getting killed when he sees 2 99MPH fastballs at the same time. Uggla really is a doofus. Too bad THAT era came to an end.some people really got impacted more than others.
The A Bomb
May 28th, 20126:50 pm
Braves 19-5 with Chipper — 7-19 without.
So he’s basically on pace to play in 80 games.
And none beyond that. We sell to get talent.
Bourn can bring a bounty much bigger than what we paid to get him.
REMEMBER: There are a lot of up and coming teams and that’s good, because it means they’ll be desperate for that ONE PLAYER to get them over the top. McCann as well for 1 1/2 years. Time for this team to retool. Start with the coaching staff and work down.
May 28th, 20126:51 pm
Ivan, I hope everything gets better for her.
what can you say but WOW!!
May 28th, 20126:52 pm
half a year of Bourn with a Boras agent is not gonna bring as much back as y’all keep saying. look over te last few years at 3 month rentals
May 28th, 20126:53 pm
Hey Lew, You were one of the Phi Beta Kappas quoting the Phillies who were saying “Everything will be fine. He just needs some time”, he needs time,I agree, about 32 years. Playing 2B isn’t like jogging around a trailer park in Deleware. Too bad about Doc. I’m being facetious. You know when you have a guy from the hills doing his best impersonation of a college coach ruining an arm in a super regional,well that usually has a bad ending. Also helps the big guy at first has the lower body of Bobby Cox
May 28th, 20126:56 pm
you are saying that LEW said something like that about Utley?
Ms Oyl, Lew is as anti-Phils as there is in the world, and he said often that Utley would be a big question mark.
May 28th, 20127:09 pm
Mazzone won fourteen division titles and never had one bad year. He had over fifty relief pitchers during his run and they all came into the game prepared. When Cox said McDowell was the best pitching coach that had ever worked for him I knew he had picked McDowell over winning division titles.
May 28th, 20127:13 pm
if Mazzone was all that “special” he wouldn’t be sitting in a radio booth making a lot less money than he could as a pitching coach. There is a reason that is happening. Guy rode his rep on the back of three HOFers and several other very good pitchers, on top of ruining Avery he was alienating every young pitcher on the team the last few years
I suppose another Schuerholz letter will drop soon to appease the masses. Whatever.
May 28th, 20127:14 pm
I’m not so sure about that PB, I heard it was kinda controversial
May 28th, 20127:21 pm
No MARIA, i keep up with this team everyday. Have for 21 years now. That’s why I have sense enough to recognize that they should trade McCann instead of being an excuse maker like you seem to be. The biggest collapse in baseball history and he was one of the main reasons. Dropped 7 in a row this week and he can’t get out there for his team. An aging, falling apart national league catcher. Try to wake up. Try to use a little logic. I’ve been to work multiple times with the flu thank you very much. This team has already been through a contract hamstring with Chipper Jones and you just want to exchange his contract for another bad one in McCann???? Why don’t you try following this team a little bit.
ok, the “ruining Avery” was hyperbole…..
As frustrating as this is we are better off not having Freeman around than him facing MLB pitching with his vision not up to hitting MLB pitching.
If it takes the whole bleeping year, so be it. If a guy cannot see, than he has no business being out there.
This is not the first time he has had eye issues, I think.
Hey, what do we have to really gain or lose at this point.
I don’t expect anything from Schuerholz or anyone else. They are who they are until we get another owner. Just gotta’ hope the injured players recover soon.
May 28th, 20127:22 pm
doesn’t seem to be even worth another job….
May 28th, 20127:23 pm
The baby braves cannot handle being in first place. We are fine in second, but the minute we reach first we emplode. We need to get the shrink that cured Smoltz and have him start with McCann,
Freeman, Hayward, Minor and F Gonzalas.
you have to know that if baseball people actually believed anything near that, he would be working as a PC again somewhere
May 28th, 20127:24 pm
They are who they are until we get another owner. …PB
yeah pretty much
May 28th, 20127:26 pm
Nolie—Avery had chances with other teams and he was unable to get it back. Too bad he was done at 28 yrs old.
Perhaps he might have been overrated.
He was good for three years, was down in 94 and 95 and in 96 was off to a good start and in a game vs the Mets he got into a scuffle when he threw at a batter when he celebrated when he his a home run (Vizcaino was the guys;s name and I never got why he thrwe at him anyway) and after that game he lost 7 decisions in a row to finish 7-10 and he was pretty much finished after that.
I did not like Avery but that was because I expected more given the hype around him when he first came up.
He had two great yrs in 91 and 93 and little else.
May 28th, 20127:28 pm
Hey Nolie you need to read Erik’s blog, then you will understand why the braves can no longer contend.
Erik’s got it figured out, eh?
May 28th, 20127:32 pm
I am very familiar with Leo’s history, and I’m not saying that there is nothing to it, BUT if any team in baseball believed he would make a difference to their staff, he would be working.
The rap on his handling of young pitching is just too strong, however much of it is true; he is out of baseball in a highly competitive market that would grab up any perceived advantage
May 28th, 20127:35 pm
Avery had a great 91,92,93, and then was hurt and his arm never recovered completely, different pitcher later, no fast ball at all
May 28th, 20127:38 pm
“Avery had a great 91,92,93, and then was hurt and his arm never recovered completely, different pitcher later, no fast ball at all”
That’s my recollection as well.
whether true or not, many blamed his decline on being overused as a young starter, and he is often mentioned by advocates of pitch counts and inning limits
May 28th, 20127:40 pm
Has Magic lost some weight?
May 28th, 20127:41 pm
What did you expect? It’s basically the same unit that folded last year. 1. Biggest factor: Gonzalez can’t manage the team out of a skid. He proved that last September, living the “dream” that “tomorrow is another day”. Kick some ass, Fredi! Hayward should have been yanked mid-inning for his lack of effort — it was good enough for a proven Hall of Famer – Reggie Jackson – when he played for the Yankees. And they came from behind to win the pennant and the Series that year. A good “in your face” dog fight in the dugout would do wonders for this emotionless team. 2. The Braves management are idiots into deluding themselves about Pastornicky — he had 3x the number of errors as Alex Gonzalez in AA/AAA. It was only a matter of time before the law of averages caught up with his anemic defensive skills. And he was supposed to contribute at the plate, which he has not. Gonzo’s $1.5M one year deal he got from the Brewers looks pretty good now. 3. If Jurgens was really washed up, as the Braves clearly knew, that deal the Orioles offered (Jurgens, Prado and one of our now 7.00 ERA young pitchers for Adam Jones sure looks good now. The O’s are in first place and the Braves are now in last. 4. The team lives and breathes on Chipper and unfortunately he’s no longer an everyday player. 5. The rest of the team has no fire in their belly — Bourn is playing likes it’s a contract year most of the time, McCann thinks the Braves will pick up his option so he can start playing next year to posture for free agency, and most of the rest are just not good enough to pull themselves together and play like the Cardinals of last September. The NL East is much tougher this year. Unfortunately, the Braves are the same team that folded last September, with the exception of replacing a .250 hitting shortstop who only committed 12 errors all season with a guy who will commit 3x that much if he is allowed to go out there every day and hit for worse average. To win against the NL East on a consistent basis you can’t go out there with the lackadasical Fredi and the Dreamers and expect to compete.
Is fredi on wren’s radar in the midst of all this?
May 28th, 20127:43 pm
bears repeating that NOBODY has hired him, so their perception is obviously much different than yours
May 28th, 20127:44 pm
How can you tell, Erik? Have they confided in you? Any evidence other than your own dislike of fredi?
May 28th, 20127:45 pm
I was at the game, it was truly ugly. Nice Memorial Day commemorations, though. Too many St. Louis fans who left the game thrilled. Hanson was awful, gave us no chance to win. I’ve never been a fan of his work, he just labors through everything, alot of sound and fury signifying nothing but losing. And then to hear the same old PC drivel after the game, I’m sick of it! At least Bourn owns up and says it like it is. The best things on the day were good innings by Durin and Martinez, how sad is that? Juan hit some runs in but man he also has some ugly AB’s. The defense is just bad, but Jason did manage to keep to his feet today. I ask myself, would we be any better off if we had kept Francoeur? I don’t think so. It’s hard not to wonder, though. And same for the Melk-Dud who is on fire. Our starting pitching is Huddy, Beachy and then a bunch of get the long guys ready to come in. Very sad and extremely frustrating. I miss Bobby Cox shouting encouragement from the dugout. Fredi is like a robot.
May 28th, 20127:46 pm
oh I’m not mad, just kinda poking fun at the way you worded that up thar, a bad habit i have at times…
Maybe Leo did not always click with the young pitchers but he did reclaim some guys who were at the skids of their careers like John Burkett and Jaret Wright as two examples.
Kevin Millwood did some good work here (a Braves farmhand development), John Thompson did well, and vets like Denny Naegle and Russ Ortiz who were in their prime also fared well.
Different time, different ownership and org philsophy when Leo was here, but the results between 1991 and 2005 were unarguable.
And that baby Braves team that had kid pitchers did eek out its last deiv title under Leo.
Since Roger has been around, the results are not as good as what we got used to for 15 yrs.
Now, would Leo fare well now with all the pitch counts and the way pitchers are more and more babied, that is a fair question.
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