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Lew
May 29th, 2012
12:44 pm
eirk – WTF is YOUR problem douche? If MInor is good enough that he will be better in the future, then why would we want to trade him? If he’s not, then why would the Cubs leap at the chance to dump the only thing they have going for them and pay his salary for us, too?
MikeInFl
May 29th, 2012
12:44 pm
I say Mike Minor and Heyward to the Cubs for Dempster
Or, how to gut a franchise in one easy step.
No matter if Cubs pick up his salary, he’s likely gone after this year. So you’ve just handed over 2 first round picks for 4 months of one starting pitcher.
Minor and Heyward are struggling, but they have much more value than that.
Murph
May 29th, 2012
12:45 pm
Minor is going to be a very good pitcher in the near future while Heyward is going to be average at best?
Ummmmmmm… well… I don’t know that I would agree with either of those assessments based on performances to date.
Minor has just completed one of the absolute worst months put forth by a Braves SP in decades (rivaled most recently by Derek Lowe’s horrible September last season).
cricket
May 29th, 2012
12:45 pm
ncscoots, appreciate that
but i just glanced over the blog last few days. didn’t want to spoil my long weekend by the nuts (realists) during this losing period..
raleighbravefan
May 29th, 2012
12:45 pm
Lew – erik makes sense, if you think about it…in Bizarro World.
cricket
May 29th, 2012
12:46 pm
erik – You believe Minor will a very good pitcher, but Heyward will be average at best
that’s because Minor is lefty unlike…oh, wait
Lew
May 29th, 2012
12:47 pm
raleighbraves – Well, it’s a good bet that when you talk out of your @$$, it ain’t gray mar leaking out.
Lew
May 29th, 2012
12:48 pm
Gray matter. I need a new keyboard.
Hugo Z Hackenbush
May 29th, 2012
12:49 pm
Unless we’re allowed to drill more, there’s going to be an emoticon shortage by 2075, you boneheads…
ncscoots
May 29th, 2012
12:50 pm
Minor has just completed one of the absolute worst months put forth by a Braves SP in decades
Yeah, but if you can look past the bad outings and the gopher balls, he’s been pretty good.
(That’s now known as the Reyes Rationalization, LOL)
phil
May 29th, 2012
12:50 pm
Shaun
May 29th, 2012
12:03 pm
Heyward’s about where he should be at this point in his career. (By that, I mean he’s within the realm of what we would have reasonably expected in, say, February or March of 2010.) But there are a lot of factors in play that cause many to view him as a disappointment.
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What is Heyward’s LOSER? Losses Over Several Exceptional Replacements?
Gimme that number, Shaun…
Fish Bisch
May 29th, 2012
12:50 pm
There is so much name calling in here. It’s so offensive that I’m going to leave for a while.
Fols
May 29th, 2012
12:51 pm
I thought the entire point of blogs is to arm chair manage your favorite team?
Lew
May 29th, 2012
12:51 pm
We’re arm chair managers? It wasn’t “We” who came up with thatally improbably, lame trade idea.
And you can only pray that you ever become as proficient with those crayons as I am. You really need to find a better insult than that I have talent.
ncscoots
May 29th, 2012
12:52 pm
There is so much name calling in here. It’s so offensive that I’m going to leave for a while.
Do so, if you like. But you should know that we’re going to call you names while you’re gone.
Lew
May 29th, 2012
12:52 pm
Totally improbable trade idea. This keyboard is getting worse.
George
May 29th, 2012
12:52 pm
cricket
May 29th, 2012
12:39 pm
“good old boys”
do you even know where the term ‘good ol boys’ come from? how the heck does it apply to a guy named Gonzalez in a southern american city in georgia? and Brundage is what? ‘bad young girl’?
i think this obsession with FG has officially passed Lou’s har*-on for
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crickit
Remember He was BOBBY’s long time bench coach, that is why the “best buddies”
raleighbravefan
May 29th, 2012
12:52 pm
So, if Heyward is batting .240 at age 22, that’s his ceiling, and we may as well dump him and move on. No hope for improvement with maturity. Is that what you are saying? There are plenty of examples contadicting that view, but you go with that. Everyone has an opinion.
flange1
May 29th, 2012
12:53 pm
Fish,
How about “The world owns us” as a parting shot?
Fols
May 29th, 2012
12:53 pm
Fish Bisch, don’t leave…I don’t think Lew is greatly upset by the ‘old fart’ name calling! I could be wrong…..Lew you okay over there? Lew? LEW???????
oh god…
ChattTownBrian (CTB)
May 29th, 2012
12:54 pm
I predict Bedard and a bench player at or near the deadline.
Lew
May 29th, 2012
12:54 pm
Little Man? Only proving your cluelessness on a grander scale.
flange1
May 29th, 2012
12:55 pm
George,
Did you just say that Fredi was Bobby Cox’s bench coach for “ever”?
Really?
What years?
I tend to remember him coaching 3rd for the Braves
Powder Blue
May 29th, 2012
12:55 pm
Serenity now!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Lew
May 29th, 2012
12:55 pm
Fols – I’ll be just fine as soon as I stop laughing so hard.
Lew
May 29th, 2012
12:56 pm
Pat Coralles and then Chino Cadahia were Bobby’s bench coaches.
raleighbravefan
May 29th, 2012
12:57 pm
erik – You disrespectful little bast….never mind. Go ahead and show your ignorance and immaturity.
BTW – Lew has made a damn good living with those crayons.
Lew's Keyboard
May 29th, 2012
12:57 pm
Don’t blame me, dude.
phil
May 29th, 2012
12:57 pm
erik
May 29th, 2012
12:21 pm
most reports say Oswalt still wants somewhere between 5-7 million if he started pitching for a team mid june or so
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It’s rarely mentioned by the national or local media, but I’m still available for between 5-7 million too…
ncscoots
May 29th, 2012
12:58 pm
Heyward’s about where he should be at this point in his career. (By that, I mean he’s within the realm of what we would have reasonably expected in, say, February or March of 2010.)
This is the companion piece to the Reyes Rationalization: the Heyward Hypothesis. Coming soon, a poll to determine which has the higher level of laughability.
Lew
May 29th, 2012
12:59 pm
Dude, you still don’t get it, do you?
If Minor and Heyward are good enough for the Cubs to build their franchise on, why would we want to get rid of them – as someone else mentioned – for a three month rental – even IF we could get them to eat his salary?
And if they AREN’T that good, why would the Cubs want to do the deral, much less pay his salary?
Fols
May 29th, 2012
1:01 pm
How much does the bench coach make? Honest question? That sounds like the sweetest job in the world.
That position used to be held by Peyton Manning’s backup but last year we found out that backing up Peyton Manning may involve playing and it may not go so well.
TennesseePaul
May 29th, 2012
1:01 pm
That’s now known as the Reyes Rationalization
Ha! HoRam was the one who first had that rationalization…. “If you ignore all the injures and bad starts..”
Murph
May 29th, 2012
1:01 pm
erik, I don’t disagree with the idea of going after Dempster… but keep in mind that Wren has traded for much better players while giving up much less than Minor/Heyward in return.
Whether Heyward’s ceiling is .240 or not is immaterial… the fact is that pretty much everyone in baseball thinks he has the potential to be a superstar, still, even with all of the struggles he’s gone through. It’s that view of his potential, valid or not, that makes his value so much higher than Dempster.
On the flip side, Minor’s potential is viewed as a middle of the rotation starter at best. I don’t think there’s a single scout or GM who would say otherwise. Maybe he could be included in a deal to upgrade the starting pitching staff, but he alone, given his horrible terrible no good very bad May, would not fetch Dempster’s shoe, let alone the rest of him.
Lew
May 29th, 2012
1:01 pm
Y’all – I realize I can’t type worth a damn on the best of days, but this keyboard is now eleven years old and doesn’t always rint all the letters I type and has lights flashing like the space ship in Close Encounters. I make enough typos on my own without any help from innanimate objects.
George
May 29th, 2012
1:02 pm
flange1
May 29th, 2012
12:55 pm
George,
Did you just say that Fredi was Bobby Cox’s bench coach for “ever”?
Really?
What years?
I tend to remember him coaching 3rd for the Braves
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If thats all he was , tthey should have gotten rid of him long ago, like after the Sept colapse. Why wait for the colapse this year?
Lew
May 29th, 2012
1:03 pm
And when I attempt to correct a typo, it deletes letters from the next word in the sentence in reverse order. Now that’s just wrong.
phil
May 29th, 2012
1:03 pm
erik
May 29th, 2012
12:38 pm
well I still think Minor will be a very god pitcher in the near future…go draw something lew or paint something you are too much of a smart butt so get your crayons out and go color
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erik – those unemployment checks stop coming eventually….
flange1
May 29th, 2012
1:06 pm
Last year Beltran was moved at the deadline for a good young pitcher with potential.
I could see Dempster getting traded for Minor or Gilmartin if FW was desperate for a starter.
I think he might trade for a starter at some point this season, but he will not give up any of our young arms (JT, Delgado, Minor, Gilmartin) unless the deal brings back a player under Braves control for more than 2012.
Fols
May 29th, 2012
1:06 pm
Dammit Erik, what did I tell you? Take your 2nd dosage of medication before the 1st runs out…
raleighbravefan
May 29th, 2012
1:06 pm
I strongly disagree that most scouts and analysts (REAL analysts, at least) believe Heyward will be average at best. “A lot of people”…what does that mean?…”a lot of people” also believe you are wrong.
That’s fine…keep spewing your crap…I’m going to lunch. As I said, everyone has an opinion…and you may be right, but I don’t think so.
flange1
May 29th, 2012
1:07 pm
erik,
you had to take it too far now didn’t you?
Fols
May 29th, 2012
1:08 pm
Lew, hold your keyboard upside down. Watch in glory as it snows!
What? Is that gross? hmm….never thought of it that way!
Murph
May 29th, 2012
1:08 pm
Bye erik!
DiamondbackMac
May 29th, 2012
1:10 pm
Wow, this is the first time one of my comments is awaiting moderation.
TennesseePaul
May 29th, 2012
1:12 pm
Saw some posts a few days ago about Heyward and Stanton and didn’t get a chance to comment.
Actually, that day you commented plenty. It apparently took you all weekend to go look up his WAR… a number you once dismissed as a “counting stat” when it didn’t aptly fit your needs.
Heyward/Stanton Games played: 318/298.
At any rate, the Heyward/Stanton comparison was for 2011/2012. In that time Stanton has out preformed Heyward in WAR as well. (3.6/5.5).
Stanton was brought up because they were the two prominent outfield prospects prior to 2010 which nearly everyone across the globe concluded Heyward was more advanced, the better of the two. They are the same age. Brought up in the same season. In the same division…. And they are still the same age, same division. The only player of those two who is within the realm of what we would have reasonably expected in, say, February or March of 2010 is Stanton, not Heyward.
Fols
May 29th, 2012
1:12 pm
Yes but if Heyward hit 10 homeruns the next month, ESPN would be the first to toot his horn.
Not in that way…you know what I mean……you guys are sick……
raleighbravefan
May 29th, 2012
1:13 pm
erik @1:02 – Obviously I was mistaken about your maturity level…(roll of eyes)
Keep that up, and we won’t have to worry about you any more, because you’ll be banned. No place for that, no matter what you think of me, or Lew, or anyone else. Grow up.
Tomahawkin
May 29th, 2012
1:13 pm
Damn, erik…
That was a little uncalled for don’t ya think?
phil
May 29th, 2012
1:14 pm
Going To Miss Chipper
May 29th, 2012
1:06 pm
who still uses an 11 year old keyboard let alone computer?
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And who says stuff like this other than adolescent punks with little or no sense?
Tomahawkin
May 29th, 2012
1:14 pm
lol
Someone’s getting Bozo’d Today
That will prolly shoot the number to around 10 of the posters who have been sent to Bozo-Land, lol
Lew
May 29th, 2012
1:15 pm
erik – That 1:02 was uncalled for and low even for a mental midget such as yourself. Got a feeling we won’t be seeing you around here much anymore and that you’ll spend some time in The Phantom Zone real soon.
bravesgrl4life
May 29th, 2012
1:16 pm
Looks like erik’s objectionable comment has been removed.
Lew
May 29th, 2012
1:16 pm
The computer isn’t eleven – just the keyboard. The computer is three and reconditioned. Didn’t need a new keyboard until last week when it started acting up.
phil
May 29th, 2012
1:17 pm
And so has erik…..
ncscoots
May 29th, 2012
1:17 pm
Ha! HoRam was the one who first had that rationalization
Yeah, I stole that from one of your posts, remember? I’m sad to say I’ve forgotten the moniker of our long-time regular who provided the original quote.
njbraves
May 29th, 2012
1:17 pm
Trading Heyward for Dempster is about as dumb of an idea as there is.
TennesseePaul
May 29th, 2012
1:19 pm
RC I believe it was. Or KC…. That guy was passionate!
phil
May 29th, 2012
1:19 pm
It would be much better to just release Wayward….
Bat Masterson
May 29th, 2012
1:20 pm
erik has been banned before, for the same stupid type comments, under another name.
Fols
May 29th, 2012
1:21 pm
What age do you get to say you’re an old fart blogger? Is 30 old for blogging? 40? 50? Surely you don’t need to be retired? What if you’re an old blogger and didn’t know you were old? Are there discounts at restaurants or dept stores I’d be missing out on? Would the AJC issue me an old blogger card? Can we start winning again so this type of questioning is no longer on my mind?
ncscoots
May 29th, 2012
1:21 pm
Or KC…. That guy was passionate
There ya go. Thanks, I could not get that synapse to fire for the life of me.
TennesseePaul
May 29th, 2012
1:21 pm
Scoots, do you recall this:
“This is the end result of Shaun’s hectoring to move Heyward to 2: Fredo is now so ticked about hearing it that he won’t even move the kid up when McCann is out, LOL. Probably from just pure stubbornness.”
–ncscoots, April 16, 2011, 7:42am
I’m sure it stands out because everyone reasonably expected Heyward to hit as he has hit for the past year plus… that’s why he is a perfect candidate to bat 2nd…
P Rose
May 29th, 2012
1:22 pm
I got a cure for dry eyes: watching this team play lately. I’m all tears.
Powder Blue
May 29th, 2012
1:22 pm
Heyward looks a lot more like Komminsk than Murphy after 2 1/3 seasons.
ncscoots
May 29th, 2012
1:23 pm
What age do you get to say you’re an old fart blogger? Is 30 old for blogging? 40? 50? Surely you don’t need to be retired? What if you’re an old blogger and didn’t know you were old?
Age is in the mind, not the birthdate. If you think you’re an OFB, those of us already in the club probably don’t want you.
Lew
May 29th, 2012
1:25 pm
Ah reciprocal feelings.
Later y’all – and you too erik – those crayones aren’t going to work all on their own.
tony austin
May 29th, 2012
1:25 pm
I think calling Heyward average is way too good for him.
Venice Jim
May 29th, 2012
1:26 pm
Maybe people could just refer to the horrific (and already deleted) post without reprinting it…
George
May 29th, 2012
1:27 pm
If CHIPPER is hunting and fishing on his ranch, he would be smart to not even come back to the mess the BRAVES have become.
McFann :Ô: :Ô:
May 29th, 2012
1:30 pm
I hope BMac’s back in the #5 spot tonight…
raleighbravefan
May 29th, 2012
1:30 pm
George @1:20 – We don’t always see eye to eye, but there is at least some mutual respect, as there is amoung most of us, in spite of some angry outbursts. Most of us know where to draw the line. A few have the mentality of an 8 year old.
Thanks for having my back.
erik – you may still be here, but your comment isn’t . Keep it up, and you will be gone as well.
TennesseePaul
May 29th, 2012
1:30 pm
Part of the “most intelligent people” resource…
http://blogs.ajc.com/atlanta-braves-blog/2011/04/14/braves-try-to-bounce-back-from-near-no-hitter/?cp=all#comment-1057171
ncscoots
May 29th, 2012
1:31 pm
TennPaul, I remember it well, indeed. I obviously had a less-than-reasonable expectation of Heyward in March 2010.
Think about this: in Shaun’s timeframe of sprint 2010, no one would have forecast injury-related decline for Heyward. I think it’s more than reasonable to say that any projections, by anyone, at that time would have assumed health. So, what Shaun is saying is that, given good health and two-plus years in the bigs, a reasonable expectation for a kid who was the early-season odds-on pick for ROY in 2010, a first-rounder who had hospitalized minor league pitching while young for every level, would have been a .750-ish OPS, at this point in time.
As far as the words “reasonable” and “expectation”, I don’t think those words mean what Shaun thinks they mean.
TennesseePaul
May 29th, 2012
1:32 pm
Running through that old blog was kind of fun. Found N8’s friendly wager…
I’ll lay down a friendly wager that at season’s end (if Nate actually starts as many games) that Freeman has more walks than Nate. Some of that might be because of the pitcher’s spot behind him. But Freeman appears to be a more patient hitter to me (at this point).
Forgot about that. Nate didn’t end up playing as many games as Freeman, but he did end with 44BB to Freeman’s 53… and in only half the plate appearances.
Also the appearance of a patient hitter in Freeman is still lacking to me. Love that kid but I just don’t see that…
cabravesfan
May 29th, 2012
1:35 pm
Why would Chipper be on his ranch?
jeffrey d
May 29th, 2012
1:35 pm
To hunt and fish
ncscoots
May 29th, 2012
1:36 pm
Also the appearance of a patient hitter in Freeman is still lacking to me. Love that kid but I just don’t see that…
I think he was starting to come around, prior to the eye thing, to seeing that selectivity is little more important at 3 than 7. Might just be me, though.
TennesseePaul
May 29th, 2012
1:36 pm
As far as the words “reasonable” and “expectation”, I don’t think those words mean what Shaun thinks they mean.
Perhaps this is true. He reasonably expected Heyward to be the best hitter on the team one year ago… but now we learn that all along he reasonably expected Heyward to be not more than what he is today… easily not the best hitter on the team.
Lew's Keyboard
May 29th, 2012
1:37 pm
10paul Also the appearance of a patient hitter in Freeman is still lacking to me. Love that kid but I just don’t see that…
53 walks aint bad. if he can replicate that he’ll be patient enough.
cabravesfan
May 29th, 2012
1:37 pm
But it’s the middle of the season and he can’t walk
MFin04
May 29th, 2012
1:37 pm
Patience can be overrated as well. I’d rather have a guy that drives in runs than walks.
TennesseePaul
May 29th, 2012
1:37 pm
I think he was starting to come around, prior to the eye thing
Perhaps. He just never struck me as the “patient” type. He’ll get his walks, but not as much as some others…
DAP
May 29th, 2012
1:37 pm
dangit.
bravesgrl4life
May 29th, 2012
1:38 pm
cab, haven’t we seen Chipper in the dugout while he’s been on the DL? I think so. Therefore, that would make jeffrey d’s comment asinine.
phil
May 29th, 2012
1:39 pm
Not as tired as we are of you, erik….and this comes from one of whom many are surely also tired.
cabravesfan
May 29th, 2012
1:40 pm
bravesgrl4life-
It wasn’t jeffrey’s comment – it was George’s
cabravesfan
May 29th, 2012
1:41 pm
And 30 is not old for blogging
Threadkiller
May 29th, 2012
1:43 pm
MFin04, Driving in runs..RBI’s are usless..Remember??
Threadkiller
May 29th, 2012
1:43 pm
MFin04, Driving in runs..RBI’s are usless..Remember??
ncscoots
May 29th, 2012
1:43 pm
Perhaps. He just never struck me as the “patient” type. He’ll get his walks, but not as much as some others…
He certainly wasn’t in the minors; he liked to bang on the first strike he saw. Being that I’m a fan of being aggressive in the strike zone, this naturally endeared him to me.
Still, there’s a difference between pitcher’s strikes and hitter’s strikes, and maybe recognizing the difference is becoming part of his maturation process.
Jimmy
May 29th, 2012
1:46 pm
What is the time table on FF?
Threadkiller
May 29th, 2012
1:47 pm
TP, Heyward must be hurt again, thats why he’s regressed..He’ll be healthy soon and his numbers will get better!
bravesgrl4life
May 29th, 2012
1:52 pm
Yeah, but jeffreyd followed it up with “to hunt and fish”. I think he was answering you, cab
phil
May 29th, 2012
1:52 pm
They’re gonna claim Heyward is hurt again if this continues….
cabravesfan
May 29th, 2012
1:54 pm
bravesgrl4life-
That was part of George’s original comment also
phil
May 29th, 2012
1:55 pm
Cab – How was the bbq and were the brownies good?
bravesgrl4life
May 29th, 2012
1:57 pm
I know he did, cab. Jeffreyd was just being a smartazz.
cabravesfan
May 29th, 2012
1:59 pm
phil-
the brownies were excellent
BBQ was fun
Threadkiller
May 29th, 2012
1:59 pm
Phil, Yep, thats right!..Whenever a player is having a bad year, the expert on here claimsthey are hurt, yet, that player is on the fiels playing everyday!