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Jimmy
May 29th, 2012
11:26 am
Murph – “It seems to me that the team is being very short-sighted right now, running him out there night after night with basically no chance at success. Gotta set him up to succeed or he never will.”
You lost me there. Are we talking about Heyward or Mike Minor?
Jeff R
May 29th, 2012
11:29 am
Bernie, it’s “Wren” not “Wrenn,” and Frank has more than one duff? If Frank loses his Braves’ gig, he can always work the freak show in a carnival.
MFin04
May 29th, 2012
11:30 am
“Mr. Wrenn (sic) sat on his duffs and did nothing in the off season and now it shows”
Well he did need to sign another outfielder for the Braves and didn’t, that is for sure. And if there wasn’t any money for him to do so, then this team was doomed to fail from the beginning. Things pretty much would’ve had to gone perfectly without any injuries for the Braves to win the division as currently constructed. It doesn’t seem anyone has really bounced back like the Braves needed them to.
Heyward has been bad, McCann has been bad and injured. Chipper has been pretty good but injured. Freeman has been good but injured. Jurrjens, Minor, and Hanson have been back. Hudson hasn’t bounced back yet. One good pitcher, a decent bullpen, and half a lineup doesn’t win games very often in the toughest division in baseball.
Murph
May 29th, 2012
11:30 am
Jimmy, you could pretty much do a find/replace on “Heyward” with “Minor” in my last post and it would still apply.
The only difference, in my own personal opinion, is that Heyward is the guy that you could build a team around while Minor is a guy who is fortunate to have a roster spot. Both have issues, but one isn’t likely to be in the team’s long-term plans (Minor, in case there was still confusion).
Arkansas Transplant
May 29th, 2012
11:30 am
I’m still wishing we would have traded Prado and Bourn to the Tigers for Jackson and Castellanos. That’s not to say that I don’t like Prado or Bourn for that matter but that would have allowed us some financial flexibility and given us some guys that would be around for a while before we had to pony up the big contracts to keep them.
Ebenezer Snerdberg
May 29th, 2012
11:31 am
Fire Havana Fats!
Duke
May 29th, 2012
11:32 am
Lew, I think you’re right. Just may not be worth losing Medlen for a month to let him start for three months. I would hope they revisit it during the offseason though.
I think JJ may be close to being recalled, although I like him working down in Gwinnett a little while longer in a low stress environment. Seems he is getting the confidence he needs in his leg.
Russell Bell
May 29th, 2012
11:34 am
’scoots, just for the record, Uggla’s OPS during the losing streak is 1.003. But his batting average (which we all know is meaningless) is just .217 so it just seems like he’s slumping.
I haven’t seen all of Uggla’s ABs the past week or so, but I kinda assumed his OBP would go up with Chipper, Mac, and Freddie out – why throw him hittable pitches? I suppose his slugging % is up during that time span too, which is a bit harder to explain. His low avg the past week or so might be because he is tired of being pitched around and has expanded his zone a bit.
raleighbravefan
May 29th, 2012
11:35 am
Murph (and McFann) – Thank you, my friends, your comments. I agree that instead of leaving the old forum, I should just ignor the most outrageous, and hang in there as a fan…certainly not let the whiners “win”. Also, I need to lend support to the rational faction here, including you two (or at least sometimes rational by Murph) Lew, scoots richbrave, nolie, VJ (I love your optimism), most of the ladies, and more who I have failed to name, mostly because I am old and forgetful.
Bat Masterson
May 29th, 2012
11:35 am
I’d just say, if Heyward’s swing is “broken,” what did he do in the off-season to fix it, and why is it still broken this far along into the season?
He worked with his former swing coach and the Braves coaches to rebuild it. To get him back to his rookie swing but with a tweak. The knock on Heyward coming up, if you want to call it that, was he hit to many ground balls. So the improvement is to get him to hit the ball in the air more and with backspin. He has done that somewhat and he has been really close, at times, so far this year.
MFin04
May 29th, 2012
11:36 am
Uggla has been walked at an incredible rate lately. Gotta be due to the fact that no one else in the lineup presents much of a threat.
ncbravesfan90
May 29th, 2012
11:36 am
Mark Bowman of MLB.com writes that the Braves plan to discuss whether to move Kris Medlen into the starting rotation.
It’s one of many scenarios being discussed by the Braves, who have lost eight straight games. In order to move Medlen to the rotation, the Braves would likely have to send him down to Triple-A Gwinnett for a couple weeks in order to get him properly stretched out. The 26-year-old right-hander has a 3.49 ERA and and 17/7 K/BB ratio over 28 1/3 innings out of the Braves’ bullpen this season, but he showed plenty of potential as a starter prior to undergoing Tommy John surgery in 2010. The Braves have not made a firm decision on his future, but Mike Minor and Randall Delgado are most vulnerable to lose their rotation spots.
ncscoots
May 29th, 2012
11:37 am
just for the record, Uggla’s OPS during the losing streak is 1.003.
Lotsa walks, I know. I’m all for that when there are other bats in the lineup able to do damage. When the middle of the order is missing three guys, the on-base isn’t quite as effective in producing runs. But I have no problem with Uggla and his approach.
Yes, he won’t be facing MLB pitching, but he’ll be facing pitching that’s good enough to be able to say that positive results have some meaning.
Unlikely. Lefties are still eating him up, and he is unlikely to fix that against minor league pitching. He has 20 Ks in only 62 ABs against lefties, and that’s a matter of recognition and timing.
Lew
May 29th, 2012
11:38 am
Transplant – Yep, had we traded Bourn and Pra we might have gotten a pair of .300 hitters that were among the League Leaders in hitting, right?
Jeff R
May 29th, 2012
11:38 am
Bat Masterson, that’s encouraging. I hope Heyward turns the corner soon.
Murph
May 29th, 2012
11:39 am
That’s what I’m here for, raleigh… the blog voice of reason.
Capt.Mudd
May 29th, 2012
11:39 am
Attending the game yesterday was in fact a pleasant experience…that is, if you could look past ‘the streak,’ our Bravos find themselves in. As expected, the Memorial Day events surrounding the game were great….following an order of tradition too often overlooked in this day and age–MLB does tradition well, and tellingly, when those kids and their mom reunited with {military} dad–there was a sense of sincere admiration and glee flowing through The Ted.
For a brief time the game took a backseat to a larger timeless lesson…the freedom we enjoy has a price–mind you this soldier didn’t come to the stadium with his family, but was reunited with them in front of thousands in attendance; he emerged from the dugout safe and sound after serving overseas in duty to America.
This scenario, as touching a moment as you’ll ever see, helped me deal with the fact that an 8 game skid was certainly iminent. Don’t get me wrong, I didn’t attend the game to see us lose; it’s just that if we had to drop one to the Cardinals–at least I got reminded that our Republic is still strong.
Murph
May 29th, 2012
11:41 am
Unlikely. Lefties are still eating him up, and he is unlikely to fix that against minor league pitching. He has 20 Ks in only 62 ABs against lefties, and that’s a matter of recognition and timing.
They don’t have lefties in AAA?
I did not know that.
ncbravesfan90
May 29th, 2012
11:42 am
According to Mark Bowman of MLB.com, the Braves will discuss whether to call up prospect shortstop Andrelton Simmons.
Simmons got a long look at shortstop during spring training, but the job ultimately went to Tyler Pastornicky. However, Pastornicky is hitting just just .254 with one homer and a .618 OPS through 43 games while playing shaky defense. The 22-year-old Simmons is ready with the glove and is hitting .299/.380/.431 with three homers, 21 RBI, 10 stolen bases and an .811 OPS in 41 games with High-A Mississippi this season. We’re not convinced he’s ready to hit in the majors, but he could stabilize things defensively.
MFin04
May 29th, 2012
11:42 am
Not sure why you’d stretch out Medlen, when you could just go with Jurrjens. It’s not like the Braves bullpen has been very good as of late anyways.
raleighbravefan
May 29th, 2012
11:43 am
Lemke’s K @10:58 – Did MLB expand, and I missed it? I hope one of the new teams is in NC.Other should be in Las Vegas or San Antonio. Seriously, dude, last I checked there were only 30 teams in MLB.
Arkansas Transplant
May 29th, 2012
11:43 am
Lew, I’m not sure about 2 .300 hitters but I do believe Jackson is having a pretty good year so far. But I know we would have gotten a pretty good prospect is Castellanos. But I had also stated before this season began that we should have looked to acquire Gio but was shot down because we had all the pitching we needed.
TennesseePaul
May 29th, 2012
11:43 am
Unlikely. Lefties are still eating him up, and he is unlikely to fix that against minor league pitching. He has 20 Ks in only 62 ABs against lefties, and that’s a matter of recognition and timing.
Something that is unreasonable to be fixed in a month of ST games and 50 regular season games, but should be all squared away in the next 35 or so games…
ncscoots
May 29th, 2012
11:44 am
I did not know that
that’s why you read my posts, Murph.
Jimmy
May 29th, 2012
11:44 am
On paper, I think our lineup looks pretty good, other than third base. But the game is played between the lines and other that Bourn, no one is producing consistantly.
We saw the same thing for most of last year. Larry Parrish got the blame (and he axe) for that. But is there another common denominator?
Could the problem be the way FG runs his club? I’m not talking just about some of the decisions he makes, but the whole atmosphere of the team?
Just pondering out loud.
raleighbravefan
May 29th, 2012
11:45 am
Murph – If we send Heyward down (which we can debate), who do you play in the OF. I don’t currently see a better option.
Jimmy
May 29th, 2012
11:45 am
he=the
Arkansas Transplant
May 29th, 2012
11:46 am
Sometimes the unorthodox path is not always the wrong way to do things.
ncscoots
May 29th, 2012
11:47 am
Something that is unreasonable to be fixed in a month of ST games and 50 regular season games, but should be all squared away in the next 35 or so games…
Oh, sure. Progress is incremental, not instantaneous.
Arkansas Transplant
May 29th, 2012
11:48 am
Jimmy, Bourn as been pretty aweful during this lossing streak. I don’t even think he’s hitting above .300 now. or even producing at the mendoza line for OBP over the last 8 games.
Fish Bisch
May 29th, 2012
11:48 am
Call up Terdosammich. Release Jurgens.
TennesseePaul
May 29th, 2012
11:48 am
Heyward’s first…
______PA__H_BB__AVG__OBP__SLG__OPS
2011 187 35 23 .216 .317 .395 .712
2012 189 39 21 .236 .330 .424 .754
So there is some promise
Jeff R
May 29th, 2012
11:48 am
Tyler Pastornicky. However, Pastornicky is hitting just just .254 with one homer and a .618 OPS through 43 games while playing shaky defense.
I didn’t realize that Pastornicky’s defense had been “shaky.” Maybe not outstanding, but “shaky?”
Murph
May 29th, 2012
11:49 am
scoots, I didn’t do a whole lot of research, but checking the last Gwinnett box score, they did face a lefty relief pitcher. So… there is at least one lefty throwing left-handed in the minor leagues.
I’d bet, with a little more time, I could uncover more. However, I need to pee, and will have forgotten about this by the time I return to my desk.
raleighbravefan
May 29th, 2012
11:50 am
AT – If you assume that we could have expected the pitching to be weaker than anyone but you thought, how would you pay for Gio (or Oswalt, or Dempster, etc, etc)
I think any change will involve elevating Livan, or bringing back JJ, if he can show any positive consistancy.
Murph
May 29th, 2012
11:52 am
raleigh, I don’t really know who would play in Heyward’s stead. Not a lot of good options, or any good options, but I’m more thinking about Heyward’s career and not this season as much.
I guess Parraz or Constanza. Neither likely to give you more production, but… I think of it this way. Heyward in AAA getting his swing right could pay off next season and pay off big time if he can right the ship. Heyward going into next season after spending all of 2012 hitting .230 in Atlanta? Not something that fills me with a lot of hope.
njbraves
May 29th, 2012
11:53 am
Why doesn’t Teheran get a shot?? He can’t be worse than Minor at this point. I thought the kid was supposed to be a stud?? It seems pretty telling to me that the Braves are so hesitant to call him up.
TennesseePaul
May 29th, 2012
11:53 am
This is pretty brutal…
http://www.baseball-reference.com/play-index/split_stats.cgi?full=1¶ms=plato|vs%20LHP%20as%20LHB|heywaja01|bat|AB|
I don’t really see Heyward getting back around on that. Perhaps he could “in his peek years” but thinking by the All-star break he’ll be hitting lefties well seems a bit of a stretch.
ncscoots
May 29th, 2012
11:53 am
However, I need to pee, and will have forgotten about this by the time I return to my desk.
Probably just as well, if you equate hitting against a AAA reliever with hitting against Clayton Kershaw, LOL. Crushing against the former ain’t gonna help much with the latter.
MikeInFl
May 29th, 2012
11:53 am
But the game is played between the lines and other that Bourn, no one is producing consistantly.
I know you meant “other than Prado,” right???
Jimmy
May 29th, 2012
11:54 am
Bowman is full of crap. Medlin doesn’t need to be stretched out.
The Braves only look for 100 piches in four innings from our starters. We’ve got a deep bullpen with some big inning-eaters down there.
Get with the program Bowman.
phil
May 29th, 2012
11:54 am
Murph
May 29th, 2012
11:19 am
I get that Heyward’s swing was completely broken last year due to injuries… I get that. What i don’t get is how it’s doing him a whole lot of good to try and fix that broken swing against MLB pitching.
Now hear me out for a second on this… I’m not a Heyward hater. I want the guy to be a productive player as much as anyone on here. I just don’t see how .230 in the majors is helping the guy, or the team.
If his swing is still broken, then send him down to AAA where he can concentrate 100% on fixing things in an environment where the results don’t matter. Yes, he won’t be facing MLB pitching, but he’ll be facing pitching that’s good enough to be able to say that positive results have some meaning.
I’d bet that, if sent down to AAA right now, Heyward would still hit under .250, despite the “lesser” AAA pitchers he’d be facing. I don’t think it’s as automatic as some of you do that he’d go down and immediately be at .400 with every other ball hit landing 2 zipcodes away.
If the priority is to help Heyward achieve his career potential, then send him down and let him work through his issues. It seems to me that the team is being very short-sighted right now, running him out there night after night with basically no chance at success. Gotta set him up to succeed or he never will.
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Murph, you know better than to spew this drivel….it is HATE to not acknowledge Heyward for the future HOFer that he clearly is.
Just because he loafs in the field and can’t hit doesn’t mean he’s not a great, great player! If people would be nice to him, he’d hit .350, .475, .955 with 50 homers and 165 RBIs each year. I’m sure by next season, he’ll have those numbers.
TennesseePaul
May 29th, 2012
11:54 am
In the event that link crapped out…
Heyward’s Lefty split.
Year__AVG__OBP__SLG__OPS
2010 .249 .356 .399 .755
2011 .192 .270 .308 .577
2012 .194 .265 .323 .587
Shaun
May 29th, 2012
11:56 am
Saw some posts a few days ago about Heyward and Stanton and didn’t get a chance to comment.
Heyward’s Baseball Reference Wins Above Replacement: 9.9
Stanton’s Baseball Reference Wins Above Replacement: 8.2
Heyward’s Fangraphs Wins Above Replacement: 8.8
Stanton’s Fangraphs Wins Above Replacement: 9.0
Patrick
May 29th, 2012
11:58 am
This is ridiculous that the Braves won’t pony up a little extra money to sign proven starter who is healthy, rested and WANTING to pitch for your team.
Your biggest weakness is clearly Starting Pitching and the easiest answer to the problem is picking up the phone to call a guy that is waiting to hear from you. But they won’t because they are too damn, cheap…no wonder attendance sucks, I wouldn’t go when it’s clear that the Braves are not willing to whatever it takes to win for the city. So, why should fans waste their hard earned money?
For once, I cannot blame in person in Atlanta for not going to out to the stadium.
I wouldn’t
DAP
May 29th, 2012
11:58 am
bat, he is watching some hittable pitches go right by. it might not be an every AB thing, but ive noticed it.
MikeInFl
May 29th, 2012
11:59 am
Sure Shaun. It’s just that 2/3 of Heyward’s WAR was achieved in his rookie year, while Stanton has actually gotten better each year.
Lew
May 29th, 2012
12:02 pm
How can WAR have any validity if the ‘Experts” can’t even agree on what it is or how to compute it?
Shaun
May 29th, 2012
12:03 pm
Heyward’s about where he should be at this point in his career. (By that, I mean he’s within the realm of what we would have reasonably expected in, say, February or March of 2010.) But there are a lot of factors in play that cause many to view him as a disappointment.
Bat Masterson
May 29th, 2012
12:04 pm
DAP_
So have I. I went on a long rant about it.
Hugo Z Hackenbush
May 29th, 2012
12:04 pm
Teheran got shelled in his last start. Way too inconsistent to bring up now.
Murph
May 29th, 2012
12:05 pm
if you equate hitting against a AAA reliever with hitting against Clayton Kershaw, LOL. Crushing against the former ain’t gonna help much with the latter.
What makes you think he’s going to crush anything thrown by a lefty, regardless of the level? Forgive me if I’m wrong here, but not many of Heyward’s poor at-bats in the month of May have come against Cy Young candidates.
Like I said earlier, I would bet multiple dollars (under $20) that, should Heyward be sent down, he’d still hit under .250 for an extended period of time.
Yes, major league pitchers are going to do a better job at exploiting Heyward’s weak point with more consistency, but to think he’s going to go down a level and instantly find his groove against pitchers who are this close to being major league pitchers themselves is ludicrous to me.
Jimmy
May 29th, 2012
12:06 pm
MikeInFl – Yeah, forgot Prado. Looking at all the negative, I guess.
AT – He has been weak in the last 8.
Shaun
May 29th, 2012
12:07 pm
Lew, it’s the same way several different scouting opinions have validity, even though they don’t all agree.
Also, what do you think? You think that poeple came up with wins above replacement to get the results they want, in terms of specific players? I doubt that. I’m pretty sure they are actually trying to measure the things that lead to runs, outs and in turn wins the best they can.
Bat Masterson
May 29th, 2012
12:08 pm
Heyward’s about where he should be at this point in his career. _Shaun
Really, Shaun. How do you come up with that?
I mean is there some formula that predicts what a young player will have to go through in his first 2 or 3 years?
Murph
May 29th, 2012
12:08 pm
But there are a lot of factors in play that cause many to view him as a disappointment.
Could be the fact that his average has gone down from .282 to .236 and his OBP has gone down from .364 to .330 in the month of May. I dunno.
Lew
May 29th, 2012
12:09 pm
Yeah Shaun – Whatever. Two different kinds of math? Someone not knowing his math? Or useless metric?
Hetch Hetchy
May 29th, 2012
12:10 pm
I wonder what the Brave record is for consecutive losses?
Shaun
May 29th, 2012
12:10 pm
Bat, a 114 OPS+ through his first two seasons and two months would be about what I would have expected if you had tole me in March 2010 that’s what he would do over that time frame.
Lew
May 29th, 2012
12:11 pm
No different than two differnt scouts’ viewpoints? I thought all these new metrics were so we didn’t have to rely on a person’s “faulty” judgement.
Bat Masterson
May 29th, 2012
12:12 pm
Yes, major league pitchers are going to do a better job at exploiting Heyward’s weak point with more consistency
I doubt many minor league pitchers have a problem throwing 89 mph fastballs over the heart of the plate.
Shaun
May 29th, 2012
12:12 pm
Lew, again, go back to the scouting example. Scouts have different assessments of the same player all the time. And sometimes all of those assessments are extremely useful.
BraveDan
May 29th, 2012
12:15 pm
DOB,
What would it take to get Dempster in a trade? I assume we would have to make one where the cubs still paid the majority of his salary, which would mean giving up a “crown jewel” or more so to speak. Signing Oswalt and trading for Dempster would sure strengthen our current roster. Could we afford these moves on our current budget?
DAP
May 29th, 2012
12:16 pm
i dont think heyward needs to be sent down. its not that bad. i just dont think he is really contributing that much, and its frustrating.
Shaun
May 29th, 2012
12:17 pm
Lew, no. Metrics complement someone’s observations because observations sometimes fail us. They aren’t meant to replace observation. There are good things about observing but observation also fails us. If only the world were as simplistic as “observation is completely reliable” or “observation is never reliable so we should never use it.” Unfortunately it’s not either/or.
Lew
May 29th, 2012
12:17 pm
Shaun – You just don’t see that you’ve just negated all you ever said about why the metrics are more accurate than how it used to be done?
All along you’ve steadfastly informed we uneducated and unwashed masses that using scout’s opinions were not accurate and that too kmuch reliance on faulty perceptions was at play.
Now you’re saying that two different ways to compute WAR are equivalent of two differing scouts’ reports, but it’s now accurate?
You truly don’t see the hypocrisy of it all and truly don’t realize you just disagreed with all you’ve ever claimed to stand for? Not to mention given us inordinate amounts of crap over – for years?
George
May 29th, 2012
12:18 pm
Repost because tonigh may make 9 in a row. 10 in a row and FREDI must go.
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George
May 26th, 2012
1:18 pm
I know FREDI cannot be blamed for injuries and illness, only for PHing CHIPPER Wed night and meesing up the retro-active DL time, HOWEVER if the sweep continues today and tomorrow. Then STL comes in and sweeps us, That is 10 in a row and FREDI MUST GO, Lets not ruin the whole season, Promote BRUNDAGE As interim MGR We were 26-16 just a few days ago, lets salvage the season IF sweep by WAS and STL.
Lew
May 29th, 2012
12:18 pm
Not either or? Do you ever truly listen to what you say here?
bravesgrl4life
May 29th, 2012
12:19 pm
I really, really, really hope the skid ends tonight. But with Delgado on the mound, I, once more, am not confident it will.
I can’t stand to watch the carnage live, so I’ll be watching the Hatfields & McCoys mini-series on History tonight from 9 p.m. onward, with gameday up to monitor the Braves. If we win, wonderful and I’ll resume watching tomorrow. But after being at the game on Saturday, it’s just too depressing for me to watch.
Murph
May 29th, 2012
12:20 pm
Speaking of Gattis, is he still on the DL?
No, I’m not saying he should be called up, just curious.
Venice Jim
May 29th, 2012
12:21 pm
George – do you think we are all stupid and do not remember what you post every single day? At least be creative and say the same thing in a marginally different way…
Hugo Z Hackenbush
May 29th, 2012
12:21 pm
Unwashed? Speak for yourself Lew. I took my bi-monthly shower just this morning…
ukuga
May 29th, 2012
12:22 pm
Heyward’s swing looks better than it did last year.
Last season, he couldn’t drive an inside pitch at all. Anything inside that he made contact with was hit weakly on the ground to the right side.
He was making baby steps down the stretch last season, and continues to progress.
That said, I agree that it wouldn’t be ridiculous to let him spend time in AAA fixing his swing, if something is broken. But, given our current predicament, I also don’t see the problem with keeping him in our line-up for the next 6 weeks.
I will not be shocked at all if he gets hot.
Lew
May 29th, 2012
12:23 pm
Hugo – Did you use soap
Shaun
May 29th, 2012
12:24 pm
Lew, I’ve never said scouting opinions were inaccurate. Sure, maybe a fan trying to scout like a professional is unreliable. But the assessments of people who actually know what they are doing absolutely should not be discounted and I’ve never said they should. Assessing baseball players should be about getting as much good information as possible (emphasis on “good.”)
You probably aren’t going to get much good information about players from most of the media, many fans, from the stats that are popular because of tradition that don’t actually have anything to do with creating runs or getting outs on a baseball field. You’ll get reliable information from scouts and scouting types and from the stats that actually measure something meaningful.
Bat Masterson
May 29th, 2012
12:25 pm
I say Mike Minor and Heyward to the Cubs for Dempster I bet the cubs take that one and eat some of the contract on Dempster. _ eric
You think? I would bet everything I own on it.
Lew
May 29th, 2012
12:25 pm
erik – Neither is possible. WE just don’t have the bucks to get either and are not likely to spend the money AND the players Dempster would cost.
Hugo Z Hackenbush
May 29th, 2012
12:25 pm
I use “body wash” because I’m a new-age man…
raleighbravefan
May 29th, 2012
12:26 pm
Acquiring Dempster would be great, although probably unattainable.
I just don’t get the Oswalt love…I believe he is overpriced, and currently unproven…and no one has rushed out to sign him, not just the Braves, but teams with money.
Lew
May 29th, 2012
12:26 pm
Shaun – Bovine excrement Dude. You’ve said it more times than any of those mathematical geniuses you claim to believe could even compute.
Hugo Z Hackenbush
May 29th, 2012
12:27 pm
Murph, Gattis hasn’t played since May 19th, but he’s not on the dl…
Murph
May 29th, 2012
12:29 pm
Hugo, I thought he went on the “DL” with elbow or wrist tendinitis. Something to do with his throwing arm, I can’t remember what though.
George
May 29th, 2012
12:30 pm
Dispite my 12:18 post. I know JS and FW will keep FREDI till the end of the season no matter what happens, they are all “good old boys” and best buddies. God I hope I am wrong.
Hugo Z Hackenbush
May 29th, 2012
12:31 pm
He has a wrist problem, but they didn’t dl him.
Jimmy
May 29th, 2012
12:32 pm
bravesgrl4life – Understand exactly how you feel. By 9pm, the game will probably already be decided.
Arkansas Transplant
May 29th, 2012
12:32 pm
Lew, aren’t your legs and arms getting tired from beating that dead horse? I know at the very least your head has to be pounding from beating it against that wall.
raleighbravefan
May 29th, 2012
12:34 pm
erik – All I can say is that Heyward is awfully young for anybady to give up on him…To predict that “average” is his absolute ceiling, well, I won’t call you a name, but I sure think you are wrong.
Lew
May 29th, 2012
12:35 pm
erik – And why would the Cubs do that? Because MInor has pitched so well for us? Os it because maybe Minor just isn’t as bad as some seem to believe he is and that he might actually improve?
Arkansas Transplant
May 29th, 2012
12:36 pm
raleighbravefan, I think in the Oswalt discussions, it really isn’t that the teams with money haven’t tired to sign him as much as they are waiting to see where he’s interested to pitch and who else is wanting and offering him.
Hugo Z Hackenbush
May 29th, 2012
12:36 pm
I long for the moment the Dodgers sign Oswalt, so I don’t have to hear about him anymore…
Lew
May 29th, 2012
12:37 pm
Transplant – Which dead horse? Shaun? If so, I was just pointing out that he totally contradicted all he’s told us for years.
raleighbravefan
May 29th, 2012
12:37 pm
Lew – You just don’t have any appreciation for the superiority of metricspeak.
Personally, I don’t give near as much credance to WAR, but what do I know?
Arkansas Transplant
May 29th, 2012
12:38 pm
Lew, yes shaun.
cricket
May 29th, 2012
12:39 pm
“good old boys”
do you even know where the term ‘good ol boys’ come from? how the heck does it apply to a guy named Gonzalez in a southern american city in georgia? and Brundage is what? ‘bad young girl’?
i think this obsession with FG has officially passed Lou’s har*-on for Uggla.
raleighbravefan
May 29th, 2012
12:39 pm
erik – “proof is there”…Balderdash!
ncscoots
May 29th, 2012
12:41 pm
And calling him average at best isn’t giving up on him it’s saying what he is and will be at his best.
So, what you’re saying is, his rookie year will end up being his career year. You sure you want to go with that?
cricket
May 29th, 2012
12:42 pm
Which dead horse? Shaun?
please do not insult a noble animal like horse. actually, there is no member of the animal community that deserves the insulting comparison to shaun.
and DS1, dipstick is also infinitely more useful in comparison.
ncscoots
May 29th, 2012
12:42 pm
cricket, I threw in a couple of emoticons for you today.
raleighbravefan
May 29th, 2012
12:43 pm
erik – You believe Minor will a very good pitcher, but Heyward will be average at best…and you say the “proof” is there. I say you don’t have a solid basis for either opinion.
I believe Minor may still turn out to me a solid mid of the rotation guy (at best), and that Heyward WILL have an above average career, possibly great.
Arkansas Transplant
May 29th, 2012
12:43 pm
Minors problems can be fixed just by straightening out 5 inches… the 5 inches between the left and right ear.